calamity-update-talk

[tired adder]

biome mimics for other biomes when

[fathom girder]

purity mimic when

[tired adder]

that already exists

it's called slime god

[azure oak]

got a rover drive

[onyx garden]

I dont know if this is the right channel to ask this but um why is everyone mad at calamity?

[slender oak]

Removal of built in QoL

[fathom girder]

people are sonsabitches and don't wanna play the videogame

[tired adder]

basically things, that existed for years, were removed

[onyx garden]

What things?

[dull heart]

(Its just a vocal minority anyway)

[slender oak]

I dont think its as big of a deal as people make it out to be personally since if i really need qol i can just find other mods thats add it

[tired adder]

crafting recipes for drops
biome keys from bosses
instamining onyx drill
trasher stacking
hellstone pre-boss
best fishing rod as first rod

[dull heart]

Hell stone pre boss exists

[fathom girder]

does it still?

[dull heart]

Just not via reaver shark

[fathom girder]

what's the secret sauce for that I'm- oh wait it's via that stupid sword isn't it

[slender oak]

?

[dull heart]

Fishing in lava, hell lab +brimstone crags, or rox

[onyx garden]

wtf

[fathom girder]

fucken roxcalibur

I forgot hell lab had molten bars tho

[dull heart]

All can get molten pick pre boss

[slender oak]

Did they add the 1.4.5 lava change to allow for fishing hellstone in calamity?

[onyx garden]

did they change any of the shields?

[primal pumice]

anyone knows why my game crashes as soon as i add calamity mod?

[tired adder]

ram dashing is kinda reworked

[tropic jolt]

does the onyx drill scale with mining speed bonuses

[tired adder]

set iframes or something?

[slender oak]

Its based on your pickaxe

The better your pickaxe the faster it mines

[onyx garden]

oh well thats not that bad i never really used it much anyway

[tired adder]

ankh shield is now optional

if that's what you meant

[slender oak]

But yeah i can understand players being upset over the changes but for me personally its not that extreme

[fathom girder]

it's really nothing to write home about

especially given the new stuff is wacko

[tropic jolt]

it’s kinda silly a content mod had so much qol in the first place

[fathom girder]

fabsol didn't like playing the game...

[slender oak]

Also i do like that damage was changes to be more in line with other mods so i can more easily play with other mods w/o calamity overpowering progression (if im not mistaken)

[tired adder]

I think it is wrong outlook, that causes back-and-forth fighting

[fathom girder]

I'll happily fight people who don't wanna play the videogame

[toxic ember]

i’m ngl i don’t like 2.1 very much but i wanna hear what you guys think

[mystic eagle]

Why do you not like it?

[tired adder]

not all calamity players hang out in this discord 24/7 and knew that last paragraph meant removal of QoL

[toxic ember]

a lot of stuff that happened to accessories is legit reverse qol

[slender oak]

Need to start a new play through fo get a proper opinion on how the changes affect me but i am exited to play against the boss reworks

[toxic ember]

asgards valor got heart of the elements treatment

[toxic ember]

that’s not even what i’m saying

it just doesn’t feel as good to use

[tropic jolt]

Asgard’s valor is no longer grindslop

[toxic ember]

will be downloading a mod if available to revert it but that’s one thing

i also don’t like how true melee got a few nerfs across the board

[tropic jolt]

there already is one I believe

[hushed hazel]

you can at least let them speak before you start preemptively dogpiling on them for disagreeing with the devs' decisions

[toxic ember]

LOL real

[toxic ember]

good to know

[slender oak]

I get people being upset but 100% agree with that

[toxic ember]

i just reached doggo on mine

[tired adder]

treating those players as lazy idiots, that weren't obsessed enough with Cal to remember every CalCast fact or developer message in past like 3 years, is just dehumanizing

[astral vapor]

wh

[wise blade]

I joined this server just to say that the event summoning items being consumable thing sucks

[toxic ember]

rest in peace amalgamated brain 2026

[wise blade]

now I have to find a mod that reverses that change for all the stuff in calamity geegee

[astral vapor]

insane take prescribing morality to something so minor

[onyx valve]

Nevermind, it's actually good

[toxic ember]

i been playing clam since like

[tropic jolt]

yeah it does suck that the complaints get dumbed down like that here

[toxic ember]

2018?

this is probably my least favourite update to date

[fathom girder]

you being a veteran doesn't qualify anything

cuz I'm also a vet and love the update

[slender oak]

I mean opinion are opinions

[mystic eagle]

There have been more buffs to true melee than nerfs based on the weapons tested thus far

[toxic ember]

not saying it does, just saying i’ve played through a lot of updates

[slender oak]

You are very much allowed to have them

[onyx garden]

How is it optional?

[mystic eagle]

And besides, the True Melee damage type is likely not staying for long

[tropic jolt]

asgards valor no longer uses it

[onyx garden]

Wtf why did they do that?

[tropic jolt]

to make asgards valor no longer an undisputed meta accessory

[distant raft]

valor did literally everything

[tropic jolt]

which is a good thing imo

[distant raft]

there was no reason to not use it

[tired adder]

in fact, not communicating enough things seems to be persistent problem post-Ozzatoth takeover

[young notch]

Also makes valor easier to craft

[mystic eagle]

Because the debuff immunities barely mattered for bosses, made it insane outside of them

[hushed hazel]

iunno if i'd go that far but it definitely does not lead to healthy discussions when a lot of regulars' first instinct is to brand people frustrated by the perceived removal of QoL as uninterested in anything but boss fights and as not actually liking terraria

[slender oak]

I do think there should have been more clear communication for updates

Specified on clear

[distant raft]

the one thing i dont like is that exos lost their debuffs which left radiance as still not very good on exos

[onyx garden]

That's insane

[icy stump]

You know that in this update Corrupt Mimic, Crimson Mimic, Hallowed Mimic, Ice Golem and Sand Elemental drop their correspondent Biome Key at 10%, right?

[granite sapphire]

the new blissful bombardier is absurd with arc flash ring

[fierce nebula]

The qol changes were in the changelogs

[toxic ember]

we are evolving, just backwards

[distant raft]

i was kinda looking forward to radiance getting a bit of use on exos since its no longer cucked out of its gimmick by asgardian

[fierce nebula]

I remember when reddit was mad about the qol changes when they first appeared in the changelogs

[slender oak]

Changelogs arent clear, there were like 700 changes if im not mistaken

[distant raft]

3k+ lines iirc

[icy stump]

And some Biome Shrines have guaranteed the key in their chests

[tropic jolt]

well, the problem is the changelog is over half a million words so most people probably don’t know

[tired adder]

...thank you, thank you

[slender oak]

Its communication but not clear communication

[young notch]

Yeah like

[slender oak]

Theres a difference

[hoary merlin]

I have an issue

[mystic eagle]

Do you want the entire changelog to be put on #changelogs then?

[tropic jolt]

I definitely think they shouldn’t have changed so much in one update because it always leads to so much confusion

[young notch]

For all the recipes they removed, they made it easier to get your hands on that stuff by other means

[fierce nebula]

The only thing I would’ve done differently is mention the existence of the qol revival mod

[thick spire]

Calamity has always had issues with communicating this isnt new

[hoary merlin]

can anyone go test it out, why your game froze after you summoned the trio mech bosses

[toxic ember]

what’s this

[tired adder]

the fact, that blog on official site has opened right at the edge of 2025 and its first post is sudden announcement of Brainstorm speaks enough

[toxic ember]

i’m guessing it just reverts qol changes lol

[fierce nebula]

They made a mod that brings back the removed qol from this update

[distant raft]

exos or the three mech bosses together

[granite sapphire]

i didnt even realize he was almost dead, the post ravager drops are stupid too

[toxic ember]

if a mod like that exists then honestly this update is fine

for me

[fierce nebula]

They never announced it or anything

[hoary merlin]

I did said trio mech bosses, yeah the mech boss

[fierce nebula]

But it does exist

[distant raft]

JAVYZ MUSIC MOD MENTIONED WOOOOOOOOO

[wise blade]

wharr?

[toxic ember]

yeah this is the first time i’m hearing about it

[wise blade]

really?

[pseudo vector]

i have thought about the possibility of using changelog posts on the website similar to the newsletter to put changelogs up instead of having to condense them on discord

[fierce nebula]

I forgot the specific name

[dusty scroll]

Why was the drill mount nerfed I loved it so much

[distant raft]

it was faster than dcu

[thick spire]

Bring back forums :3

[mystic eagle]

And you're getting mad at the devs for them willing to change in accordance to what you want?

[toxic ember]

because it was too convenient and fun to use

[fierce nebula]

It was too op even if it was fun

[distant raft]

dcu, the postml one

[brazen silo]

Man I like just about every single rework summoner got in this update
Sun spirit staff and its line
Virid vanguard(I will actually use it now)
Staff of the mechworm
Dazzling stabber(tho it is niche it is pretty nice)

[pulsar cobalt]

they never announced it because it isnt official

[hushed hazel]

this is a known issue

[dusty scroll]

what’s that

[distant raft]

drill containment unit

[dusty scroll]

Oh

[fierce nebula]

I was told it was

[pseudo vector]

i don’t think you’d want that lol

[dusty scroll]

yea true

[hushed hazel]

iunno if a single one of the devs actually wanted it to become this big it just. kinda happened

[tired adder]

definitely proceed forward with that idea

[mighty geyser]

that would be cool
something ive also been thinking about is direct reasoning for removals

[tropic jolt]

scope creep !!!!!!

[granite sapphire]

I love the freaking soundtracks in there, always got me noise making because the games osts for the mod are so peak

[toxic ember]

summoner got nice stuff

[dusty scroll]

Maybe they could add a post moon lord crafting recipe for like the unnerfed

[toxic ember]

excited for when eventually we get to use the new vanilla whips

[dusty scroll]

Man I should be a dev lwk

[hoary merlin]

I need someone to go test this out to confirm it

[distant raft]

devs devs you should add THIS sis and this specific boss suggestion and this entire mechanic that overhauls the game

[pseudo vector]

we literally had zero intention for the update being as big as it became

[dusty scroll]

Does this mean calamity also added new whips

[icy stump]

But they only see the things that they don't like, not the alternatives that are included in the same page

[dusty scroll]

instead of just the eol one

[tired adder]

this discord, even if it has like 250k people, doesn't host all fans

[distant raft]

eventually yeah

[hard copper]

Why not just use dcu at that point though

[toxic ember]

i believe so but i’m not sure

[mighty geyser]

yeah

[distant raft]

gar whip in sso

[toxic ember]

i just used the calamity whip addon

[young notch]

Also I suppose this is a fair argument, but idk how else to perceive people being mad about this

[distant raft]

limbus eventually

[fierce nebula]

Eventually there will be new whips

[brazen silo]

Yep, tho I feel like they are going for a more manual summoner
Like for you to summon and still hold the weapon
Just look at saros and vanguard

[dusty scroll]

Because apparently it’s better

[toxic ember]

because kaleidoscope post ML is

[modest hull]

hey hey, i have a small question, with what pickaxe can i mine voidstone? .3.

[toxic ember]

[dusty scroll]

lazy?

[distant raft]

180%

[wise blade]

@fierce nebulado you have more info on the mod that reverses everything

[fierce nebula]

I don’t remember what it was called

If someone does

[modest hull]

got it, tahnk you! 😄

[tribal isle]

anyone else needs to open tmod like 3 times before this error stops appearing

[wise blade]

no info at all?

[distant raft]

yeah

[dusty scroll]

let’s say I essentially played infernum what mod should I play with now

[distant raft]

idk why it started happening

[toxic ember]

infernum was fun

[distant raft]

ive heard great things about mod of redemption

[dusty scroll]

Ok

[slender oak]

Real

[tired adder]

again, it seems like this update caught a lot of outsiders off-guard and flashy videos didn't mention that all QoL will be removed

[fierce nebula]

“Calamity qol restored

[icy stump]

Calamity QoL Restored

[wise blade]

tyyyy

[dusk bronze]

calamity made those changes for a reason yk

[toxic ember]

should be pinned ngl

[young notch]

I can agree with that

[toxic ember]

if it’s such a common complaint

[wise blade]

so I could install a mod to reverse it

[toxic ember]

[tribal isle]

but i lowkenuinely needed the staff of regrowth recipe i cant live without it

[dusk bronze]

why do gamers hate game balance so much

[pseudo vector]

using a forum i don’t think on average that we’d get much reasonable, level headed feedback other than people saying “x thing sucks, fix it” without elaborating how we could or whatever

[dusk bronze]

very odd

[dusty scroll]

it wasn’t so fun when I lost all my progress as soon as I was pre dog missing out on like the only genuinely enjoyable bosses

[proud ice]

why would you reverse qol, it's completely fine rn

[fierce nebula]

It’s modded terraria and some people like it being unbalanced

[slender oak]

Really having the qol being its own mod is probably better so that players an tailor their own experiences, though it could have been in config

[thick spire]

Yeah I was being facetious though I do miss the forum era

[dusty scroll]

Because the drill is so funny

[fierce nebula]

Because calamity doesn’t want to be an everything mod

[tired adder]

I'd say it works for base game

[spark kiln]

bad pacing

[tropic jolt]

there’s nothing wrong with people wanting the qol but it being packaged in with a massive content mod was always a bad thing, so the qol restored mod is a decent solution I suppose, although it’s another thing added to the list of stuff cal devs have to maintain

[tired adder]

although that works because the entire forum is dedicated to base game

[mighty geyser]

at least theres no comment threads on forums
would probably make it marginally better than the reddit

[craggy wagon]

QoL Restored is official?

[wise blade]

I am by no means good at calamity but having blood moons at will pulled from me sucks at my level

[tired adder]

while cal is just one linear thread

[pseudo vector]

calamity’s fanbase is almost entirely different from vanilla’s when it comes to the way they play the game

[fierce nebula]

Yeah but there’s not much they could have done at that point cause the update was already so big

[wise blade]

casual gamer of some sort

[fierce nebula]

I don’t think so

[dusk bronze]

make a graveyard to get bloody tears

[wise blade]

[pseudo vector]

it would not end up even remotely similar to the base terraria forums

[onyx garden]

Did they at least add some new bosses or weapons?

[wise blade]

if only I knew this earlier

[fierce nebula]

Reworked bosses and weapons 🫧 🐠

[spark kiln]

reworked hundreds of weapons

[slender oak]

Many new weapons and reworked DoG and Brain of Cthulhu

[pseudo vector]

175 reworked weapons and accessories, 2 complete boss reworks and tons of other changes

[thick spire]

One of the biggest problems I remember in the Fabsol era was him making major breaking changes and QoL stuff that we had to balance around. Eventually it would wind up a config and we got and still have config bloat.

[fierce nebula]

I didn’t know about this 🥀

[proud ice]

terraria players when the game doesn't play itself

[tired adder]

I am honestly starting to hate this image

[dusk bronze]

[fierce nebula]

I haven’t gotten a fucking blood moon and I’m in hard mode

[tired adder]

when it was constrained to #suggestions-discussion culture, it was fun

[slender oak]

I will say i am a relatively new fan to calamity so im not too familiar with when fabsol was in charge

[tired adder]

but now that it is a sticker

[onyx garden]

Are you kidding I just got comfortable with the DOG fight. Im guessing he does more damage now?

[young notch]

Like, it's fine if you think Terraria is a slog and enjoy the QoL changes that Calamity had to offer. But Calamity didn't want to be that kind of mod anymore. They shouldn't have to be that mod anymore.
They're a content mod first and foremost. It shouldn't have to be their problem if you don't like Terraria's pacing.

[tropic jolt]

terraria players when the mod they enjoyed for 5 years suddenly gets very jarring changes… yes that does in fact create frustration

[tired adder]

it can be used as fancy, readibly accessible insult

[fierce nebula]

They completely changed the fight

[pulsar cobalt]

what the fuck does this mean anyone could post the image in any channel

😭

[slender oak]

Just play the fight and see

[pseudo vector]

dog got major changes, no more simple number adjustments

[tropic jolt]

even if the changes are needed you can’t treat people like idiots for being confused

[toxic ember]

it’s just there for people glazing devs to keep at it

[pulsar cobalt]

ok well not gen talk but thats the only channel without image perms

[thick spire]

Yeah which is fine! Im just relaying my experience having played the game since late 2017

[brazen silo]

Its actually the opposite
I think people want to try another mod for a playthrough but do not want to abandon this playthrough so they want to end it fast(I would still take my damn sweet time tho)

[mystic eagle]

I'm beginning to get a distaste for how you ignore every positive change in Calamity, look at the mod as a whole the wrong way and then get irritated about stuff you wanted changed getting changed in your liking?

[fierce nebula]

And the mod that fixes your issues already exists

[onyx garden]

So everything is reworked and changed but there's no new content correct?

[covert briar]

why is this so true, i just want my cal runs to be over when i play them

[fierce nebula]

The reworks are the new content

[distant raft]

there's some new stuff

[toxic ember]

ur legit spamming that sticker to everyone who has expressed dislike towards the mod changes and strawmanning their arguments

[slender oak]

DoG and Brain rework is new content

[mighty geyser]

reworks are new content

[fierce nebula]

They’re basically new bosses and items

[tropic jolt]

reworks are different enough to effectively be new content

[slender oak]

Idk where you get the idea where reworks cant count as new content

[tired adder]

I do like alcohol reworks

[fierce nebula]

Ok but the mod that fixes your problem exists

[slender oak]

Also a bunch of new weapons were added

[tired adder]

I do like changed weapons

[fierce nebula]

I understand being mad about poor communication

[toxic ember]

and then i stopped talking about it after that

[proud ice]

this new melee weapon from sunken schematic is soooooooo fun

[slender oak]

Which includes a thaumcraft reference which we ball lmao

[mystic eagle]

I don't like hypocrites that critisize/dislike the changes they exactly wanted.

[distant raft]

sdmg with chloro bullets into superradiant slaughterer

[toxic ember]

i didn’t know about the mod even existing

[proud ice]

like holy moly its so cool

[hushed hazel]

what

[young notch]

Goomba fallacy

[hushed hazel]

sis what are you talking about

are you getting goomba'd

[toxic ember]

we lost the plot

[pseudo vector]

calamity ultimately is built upon years and years of one dude basically having his way and others not having much of a say in what happens, now we’re having to basically attempt to fix all the things that he did that made the mod worse in the long run

[covert briar]

the fuck is the goomba fallacy

[young notch]

goomba fallacy

[slender oak]

Lmao

[thin magnet]

Wait there's a Thaumcraft reference? What is it?

[hushed hazel]

yea that's the one

[tired adder]

it's a form of confirmation bias

[toxic ember]

LOL

[fierce nebula]

Two people say different thing and third person believes the two people are the same person with contradictory beliefs

[tired adder]

Unstable Caster Gauntlet, new donator item

[slender oak]

New mage weapon i believe, forget the name atm

[formal cliff]

Is the M1 garand gotten frrom dungeon chests ?

[thin magnet]

Yo that's cool af

[young notch]

In this case, Goomba A hates how Calamity was more or less a boss rush, and Goomba B enjoyed how Calamity let them get through the game much faster.

[onyx garden]

I like reworked content and I consider it new content I just meant like any new bosses, weapons or even armor because I like seeing new sprites.

[slender oak]

Bunch of new weapons

[young notch]

I am Goomba A

[fierce nebula]

Well they resprited a lot too

[covert briar]

im goomba c, i hate calamity

[pulsar cobalt]

a lot of reworked things also got new sprites

[proud ice]

yeah I kinda didn't like that calamity had so much qol, you literally can craft everything and don't explore much. It's completely fine to have qol with calamity. I'm just happy that the mod itself doesn't have that much of it

[icy stump]

Arms Dealer post Skeletron

[brazen silo]

Btw when is terraria 1.4.6 coming out?

[fierce nebula]

Today 🔥

No

[slender oak]

The real questions people

[brazen silo]

Lol

[formal cliff]

makes perfect sense thank you

[toxic ember]

1.4.5 was last update bro fr no more

[deep bough]

Can’t wait for terraria 23.7 ‼️

[fierce nebula]

There will definitely be more lol

[thick spire]

That reminds me I was playing with friends and I had to stop after the Wall of Flesh because one of the songs playing after defeating it left me speechless. I dont think its uploaded though.

[toxic ember]

that’s the joke

1.4 was supposed to be the last

then 1.4.1

[brazen silo]

Yeah....

[granite sapphire]

Note to self, don't use a zerg potion and battle cry, it will crash

[toxic ember]

actually 1.2 was

[fierce nebula]

1.1 was supposed to be the last

[slender oak]

Another 100 years of terraria for it to be 1.4.7

[toxic ember]

and 1.1 before that yeah

[fierce nebula]

And 1.3

[toxic ember]

game makes them too much damn money lol

[tired adder]

one thing I definitely adore is this image

[brazen silo]

Wait wasnt it 1.1 then 1.3 then 1.4?

[proud ice]

-this is the finale update
-dear god...
-there's more
-no...

[tired adder]

it's like pseudo-components run

[granite sapphire]

I've seen this image more times in the past two days than my own family

[lusty otter]

im early hardmode summoner, is it best to go for the vanilla spider armor or is there any calamity summoner armor thats better

[toxic ember]

ok but send link

LMAO

[pulsar cobalt]

every update has been the last update basically

[dusk bronze]

just spider

[pulsar cobalt]

its pinned

[mighty geyser]

the hardmode interlude?

[toxic ember]

oh

[thick spire]

Yeah

[pulsar cobalt]

plus it doesnt even have everything technically...

[mighty geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06F6Lcz6xA

[brazen silo]

And makes my dopamine go wild so
Take my goddamn money relogic

[fierce nebula]

Calamity is the opposite

Every update is NOT the final update 😯

[thick spire]

It has been AWHILE since I played so

[icy stump]

The Resurrection of a Cruel World, made by Salvati and uploaded on YT by HPU!

[thick spire]

Oh bless thanks

[fierce nebula]

I wish that song was in basecal

[young notch]

But yeah. People got really used to the QoL in Calamity, and they really liked it, But Calamity just doesn't want to be that mod anymore. They wanna focus on the content and stay truer to the core Terraria experience.

That's why I don't think it's a problem to say "just download x quality of life mod". QoL mods exist to curate your experience. Calamity just doesn't wanna be that mod anymore.

[toxic ember]

i bought the game on 4 different platforms

ps4, pc, mobile, switch

would never do it for another game

[brazen silo]

Same here, but replace switch with xbox

[wet scarab]

Thats it?

[toxic ember]

been playing since i was 7

i’m 20 in a couple months

[fierce nebula]

I played on ps4 specifically

And that’s it

[young notch]

It doesn't make the mod "worse", per se.

[icy stump]

3DS version?

[fierce nebula]

I switched to pc in 2020 and only played modded ever since

[mighty geyser]

this philosophy is great but i wish it wasnt ever explained because it's paradoxically made everything worse
the reddit feels one more dev comment away from actual death threats 😭

[granite sapphire]

Also note to self: dont pour hot wax on your hand

[toxic ember]

i had mobile which was the same thing for the longest time

[icy stump]

True

[toxic ember]

i didn’t see much use in buying it til 1.3 mobile and all of it got removed

dragon armor my beloved

[tired adder]

if this was the reasoning shown by reddit-based devs, more people would have accepted it, not going to lie

[fierce nebula]

It was

[keen ruin]

Yeah lmao

[young notch]

No, Trashbox has a point

[keen ruin]

Also anyone noticed the new BoC fight is kinda

uh

infernum

[fierce nebula]

That’s almost always what their explanation ends up being

[keen ruin]

y'know

[slender oak]

Again thats what i meant by there being clear communication, not just changlog communication if that makes sense

[young notch]

That's what they were trying to say but their wording has not been great

[mighty geyser]

it is. they said it. it just made reddit even more angry

[tired adder]

instead they insisted on "we want other mods to shine"

[young notch]

Cei was the only one who said that.

[twin juniper]

It give more eternity mode feeling

[dull heart]

I have said thwt too in one spot

[young notch]

That post was hastily made.

[fierce nebula]

And they end up getting mass downvoted anyways

[dull heart]

Or two

[keen ruin]

yeah

[dull heart]

It just got ignored for the other stuff i said lol

[halcyon seal]

It feels like a modern modded terraria boss lol

Which makes sense because it was made in 2025

[young notch]

Trashbox is right. "We want other mods to shine" was a really bad way of explaining the changes.

[keen ruin]

it's overmodded.

[young notch]

But I get what they meant to say

[halcyon seal]

I mean if you’d prefer we can go back to vanilla boc

[gloomy grove]

what does that mean

[young notch]

and I agree with the actual reasoning

[mighty geyser]

one of the many consequences of making your entire life revolve around calamity is that you cant recognize that actually calamity is a suffocating blanket over the entire modding community and making it not a mod that does everything for you is extremely healthy for the tmod ecosystem as a whole

[dull heart]

did anyone ever say other mods to shine as a primary reason??

[pseudo vector]

we don’t want to step on other mod’s feet might be a better way of wording it

[young notch]

Cei made a post on Reddit

[mighty geyser]

video game modification fans when the video game modification modifies the video game:

[tired adder]

which was interpreted as devs of Calamity, the greatest Terraria mod, intentionally kneeling to comparatively worse mods and degrading the mod to lower standards for others

[dull heart]

Ah

[dusk bronze]

[halcyon seal]

There are a frankly concerning number of people who consider “Calamity compatible” to be 100% required for a modded playthrough

Like how many people have never played Fargos but play Fargos DLC

[young notch]

I feel like the post was a bit hastily made tbh

[mighty geyser]

what the fuck

why is there calamity nationalism

😭

[hearty horizon]

I don't think it was stated as a primary reason, but one of the devs did say on Reddit that it was something they didn't like

[fierce nebula]

The only other content mod I play is spirit mod 🥀

[thin magnet]

Ngl if this new philosophy was communicated clearly before these changes then people wouldn't be as frustrated about them

Without it People just made some wild assumptions of the devs intentions (doesn't help that this was incident #2 with the Crate changes being the first)

And when the devs eventually communicated while people were pissed, people were even less likely to want to agree with it because well.. People are less likely to listen when frustrated xD

[toxic ember]

there’s 250k people in this server that’s enough to make a small country

[keen ruin]

It deviates alot from the other bosses design philosophy, I guess since mr Fabulous got kicked out. The mod has always leaned towards a more vanilla+ approach, especially on deathmode

[pseudo vector]

we didn’t know that cei posted until way after, none of us knew she was gonna say that

[keen ruin]

But the devs can do what they want with the bosses

[wicked halo]

Modding communities that center themselves around one specific mod tend to be extremely fucked. Example: Starbound with Frackin' Universe.

[halcyon seal]

The Fargo Alliance has declared war on Calamity. We will be awaiting Fables’ and Thorium’s response on the matter

[mighty geyser]

for TOO LONG these SHITHOLE MODS have exploited OUR ECONOMY
we need to tarrif fargos and spirit and recipe browser

[slender oak]

Oof thats unfortunate

[keen ruin]

it'll feel weird for the first few times but if they just want the whole mod to be modernized and full of effects, I have no reason to be mad

[granite sapphire]

I think that's up to Fargowilta himself to decide

[wicked halo]

I'd argue it's a good thing that Calamity is just gonna focus on being in line with vanilla balancing and being a content mod rather than an "everything" mod.

[young notch]

Dunno. I get where you're coming from CD, but you have to realize a lot of people have been interpreting this as "we made our mod worse to give other mods a chance"

[thick spire]

This is why you hire social media people and legal folks to do that work!

[keen ruin]

Yeah.

[halcyon seal]

He’s a puppet leader

[gloomy grove]

hire me for 500 ozzabucks a post

[mighty geyser]

the javyzocracy

[keen ruin]

this mod needs a social media team ngl

[wicked halo]

Not so fun fact: The main dev of FU steals code and is incredibly toxic. Also racist.

[hearty horizon]

Tbh I didn't really like Fargo's Souls pretty early on when I first tried it

[tropic jolt]

everything changed when the fargo nation attacked

[wicked halo]

I should do an Eternity Mode playthrough some day...

[granite sapphire]

terraria players when you have to grind:

[young notch]

In Cei's defense, she prefaced the post by saying that she was speaking personally and not for the whole team.

[mighty geyser]

is that the guy who crashed out about the terraria npc portraits and got laughed off of youtube

[keen ruin]

You should do it, the accessory system is abit more creative than calamity's progression

[pseudo vector]

poor wording was definitely the crux of her post, it ended up backfiring hard on them as a result

[twin juniper]

The bosses are great
the accessories are fun

[granite sapphire]

Soul of eternity isnt even that big, everything you need for it you'll likely use

[halcyon seal]

I can get that but it is my favorite mod of all time so

[slender oak]

The problem is people dont read

[wicked halo]

No that's a different dude. That dude is also homophobic from what I heard.

[loud lotus]

what mage weapon should i use for dragonfolly? im barley doing any damage

[young notch]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[thin magnet]

To be fair how else is it supposed to be interpreted by people?

It would be a very different situation if they suddenly introduced even more QoL stuff, which would retroactively step on other mods toes

But removing things that already have existed for years, and just now saying they don't wanna step on other mods toes, doesn't make quite sense at all

[pseudo vector]

it would have been nice to know that she was gonna say that tho instead of people now antagonising us hard as a result

[keen ruin]

People complaning bout the SoE crafting tree when you can make it in 5 minutes with post mutant gear

[wicked halo]

The main dev of FU is Sayter.

[young notch]

You're absolutely right

[tired adder]

fargo is like least grindy mod series without accounting for straight insanity of Quality of Life Compendium

[wicked halo]

The guy you mentioned is Portal Mech.

Bot hare assholes.

[thick spire]

I have a question: Why is quality of life an indicator of how "good" a mod is?

[young notch]

I understand why these changes were made but the only official dev statements that currently exist were very poorly phrased

[keen ruin]

They intergrate QoL to gameprogression by virtue of being the most popular QOL mod

[wicked halo]

I have no idea.

[halcyon seal]

It’s really funny seeing people call SoE the hardest crafting tree in any game ever because the Compass in GregTech is more involved

[granite sapphire]

People are lazy

[wicked halo]

I guess that.

[tired adder]

everything is buyable and copyable, there is a lot of utilities

[keen ruin]

Fabsol used to get torched for saying he hated ore exca ( not saying i support fabsol )

[covert briar]

cuz playing the game is boring and boss fun

[hearty horizon]

My main issue is that stuff like the EoC randomly starting to throw lunar scythes when it's just a big eye feels like it loses the plot a little >-> not to mention the fact that multiple biomes, it made harder by just going "hey, the water deals a debuff now"

[keen ruin]

Calamity community behavior

[wicked halo]

If we made a Terraria player play Thermal Series they would overload and die.

[young notch]

You are all correct. There would be much less backlash if the devs better explained the philosophy behind these changes.

[thick spire]

Why is that the default state of a "good" mid?

[granite sapphire]

Veinminer is like the most basic quality of life that ever quality of lifed

[young notch]

I agree with the philosophy, but that's only because I surmised what they meant to say

[mighty geyser]

people love to make their game easier + the general attitude of calamity fans is quantity over quality so anything being removed for any reason is like their grandma getting shot

[thick spire]

Lmao yeah I remember that

[halcyon seal]

In general there’s been a philosophy in modded terraria that “all grinding is inherently bad”, mostly pushed by YouTubers and the like, there’s also the whole thing where most thought the only content that really matters is the number of bosses

[wicked halo]

That whole debacle could've been avoided if Fabsol just stated it as his personal opinion.

[halcyon seal]

Am I making any sense? People just wanna fight bosses

[mighty geyser]

yeah

[halcyon seal]

That’s how it was for a while there

[keen ruin]

He did iirc

[wicked halo]

Yeah you're right.

[thin magnet]

Even other more vanilla-terraria philosophy mods still have their own QoL things too (Spirit Reforged, Thorium).. it's not exactly exclusively a Calamity thing to have alternative or easier ways of getting vanilla things

[halcyon seal]

And mods adapted to that, now people don’t just wanna fight bosses and mods are adapting to that

[granite sapphire]

I like grinding because waffletime just calls it an epic gamer mowing session, so it feels more productive than it actually is

[spark kiln]

can you pause time during an blood moon to make it last forever

[thick spire]

Yeah I get that. Calamity has catered itself around the bosses for ages. But Terraria is also more than just the bosses.

[wicked halo]

The reason why I love Remnants so much is for it's exploration.

[fierce nebula]

Calamity does it way more than those mods

Like it’s not even close

[young notch]

I agree with this! And the truth is, Calamity still has changes like these in Brainstorm.

[mighty geyser]

yes

[keen ruin]

Bosses are the least of the new player's concern. It's only the veterans' problem

[spark kiln]

cool

[hearty horizon]

Meanwhile me, as a Warframe player, the game where the entire thing IS grinding lmao

[safe zephyr]

Wasn't there supposed to be a structure to show you where the shimmer is

[mighty geyser]

what? no

[pseudo vector]

i’m just staying away from places like reddit and such nowadays, it does feel like sometimes that you can’t reason with some people and they just want to be mad at something or someone lol

[thick spire]

Yeah when I played Thorium with friends it was a much more slower paced grind and that was fine

[tired adder]

yeah, when the flashiest, effortful and most polished content is boss fights, everything will be warped around them

[young notch]

Calamity merely felt like their QoL features were too much.

[mighty geyser]

the bosses is what draws people to cal in the first place

[granite sapphire]

The only thing I'm upset about with the update is Lazhar being removed, I'm semi upset about asteroid staff, but there are more fun weapons out there

[mighty geyser]

very few people pick up cal because its this cool content mod theyve heard of

[granite sapphire]

I like the underrated weapons that are really good oftentimes

[keen ruin]

I don't think so. People are drawn to cal because it is a large expansion mod

[tropic jolt]

same

[halcyon seal]

I have hella respect for Thorium because that mod is like almost identical to how it was back in 2018 and I love it for that

[keen ruin]

most cal players are terraria players who've beaten the game

[wise blade]

what qol stuff was removed besides event summons not being consumable

[mighty geyser]

they pick up cal because CALAMITY'S NEW DEVOURER OF GODS UPDATE MALICE LEGENDARY NO DIRECTIONAL BUTTONS IS CRAZY!!!!

[wicked halo]

People really be mourning the fucking Spiky Balls of all things.

[keen ruin]

nah

[wicked halo]

I feel the opposite. Thorium's biggest flaw to me is how archaic it is.

[thick spire]

But I suppose this proves that it doesnt matter what Calamity does (becomes a more Vanilla experience which was the main criticism years ago that it was too different) people are going to not like it

[granite sapphire]

Lazhar didn't deserve to go, at least rework it to come back 😭

[hearty horizon]

Mostly crafting recipes for vanilla stuff like Ankh Shield components, and the removal of the angling kits

[keen ruin]

I like cal being more vanilla

[fierce nebula]

Some vanilla crafting recipes like ankh charm ingredients. Gold fishing rod not being obtainable at the start of the game and reaver shark being renerfed

[wise blade]

ahh

[thin magnet]

Not gonna lie I mourn them myself xD

I enjoyed using them so much as a rogue when I played

Wish they were just reworked instead of fully binned

[granite sapphire]

But yeah, the spiky balls are like huh?
I know damn well you weren't gonna spiky ball % calamity mod

[thick spire]

(Gold fishing rod was my fault and i am glad its reverted)

[mystic eagle]

Gold Rod is still obtainable at the start of the game but you must do fishing quests for it

[twin juniper]

Lazhar death mean there’s no Pillar tier Mage weapon made from solar fragments now

[deep bough]

Angler shop my beloved. To hell with fishing

[fierce nebula]

I mean like being able to get it at the start of the game with zero fishing 🥀

[young notch]

In fact, Brainstorm has rebalanced content to be less reliant on the stuff that was easy to obtain cuz of the QoL. Like how Ankh Shield was removed from Asgard's Valor.

[hidden belfry]

We mourn for the death of our removed weapons...

[granite sapphire]

Maybe the Lazhar was the friends we made along the way

[fierce nebula]

Spiky balls… 🥀 🥀 🥀

[young notch]

They did think anout it.

[deep bough]

I mourn for ankh shield the useless accessory

[keen ruin]

ngl, i don't like this change

[tired adder]

I don't myself hate ore exca, just feel that it is one of those things, that are unnecessary and only exists because it exists in MC (where manual mining is shallow and one-dimensional)

[frail owl]

i feel complacent over calamity not adding

[mighty geyser]

ive seen people genuinely worried removing cores means all the weapons crafted with them are unobtainable

😭

[frail owl]

that's it

[hidden belfry]

Wires

[frail owl]

wire

[hearty horizon]

Yeah, like I've already said here, I was pretty irritated that they would make the Ankh Shield harder to get when it's a requirement for Asgard's Valor, and then I found out they also removed that from the recipe and was like "oh, okay, that's fine then, I don't care"

[young notch]

Make it a painting

[frail owl]

true

[young notch]

Yes! Exactly!

[short jewel]

Does asgard's valor still provide knockback immunity?

[keen ruin]

What's the goal behidn this change though

[icy stump]

Yes

[regal vessel]

The only thing I dislike about Brainstorm was the removal of wing stat bonuses

[granite sapphire]

I understand this but like, ankh shield was already useless being a component of asgards valor, why not make it an alternative of the same tier or add a same tier upgrade to it so you can have asgards valor or Ankh Shield upgrade as a ram or parry

[covert briar]

i like to play calamity like yardis so i understand where people are coming from due to the change in calamities direction

[tropic jolt]

I just want to say its really funny how it seems like every post moon lord boss introduces a new debuff that cant be nullified until beating said boss, making debuff immunities near useless

[young notch]

That is why people are are saying that those who mourn the loss of QoL just hate Terraria. Because if you were someone who really liked those QoL features, that means you just liked that version of Terraria better.

[mighty geyser]

YEAH

[pulsar cobalt]

same as vanilla, nurses prices increase as you progress through the game

[halcyon seal]

My entire sense of self worth is dependent on the existence of the Bouncy Spiky Ball

[young notch]

But such an overhaul has no reason to be attached to Calamity. It shouldn't be.

[gritty musk]

the base multipliers are that big?

[keen ruin]

Nurse was already fucking useless tho 😭

[pulsar cobalt]

at golem its 200x in vanilla

[mighty geyser]

every calamity boss inflicts a debuff on you and then every accessory/armor past that boss grants immunity to that debuff

[tired adder]

spiky balls just feels like a pointless "subclass" today

[gritty musk]

damn fair enough lol

[pulsar cobalt]

400x in expert

[mighty geyser]

so its just for grinding the boss again

😭

[gritty musk]

burning strife is sick tbf

[granite sapphire]

This is what I love about games that do this and one of the big reasons i love Fargo's

The bosses are brutal, not just because they're difficult or unique, but because the Debuffs they inflict are lethal to the player until you beat said boss for an accessory or item immunity

[keen ruin]

Fargo's is really creative in the way they balance the game

[granite sapphire]

Soul of the master is my favorite soul besides terraria for that reason

[keen ruin]

Glazing FSM is the reason this heart still beats

[tropic jolt]

would it really be any different (in calamity at least) if the debuffs were replaced with flat damage buffs though?

[keen ruin]

Chalice of the blood god

[dull heart]

ankh might get upgrades in the future

[granite sapphire]

Depends on the implementation of the flat damage buffs

[halcyon seal]

Can I be so honest for a second, favorite accessory in any mod ever

[dull heart]

ankh is also not useless still

[tired adder]

yes, because debuffs aren't affected by DR or defense

[halcyon seal]

Chalice is SO fun

[hearty horizon]

Like, Asgard's Valor was the only reason I ever got it in the first place, I never go out of my way to get it otherwise, and now I don't have to even in Calamity so I thoroughly do not give a shit lmao

[keen ruin]

too op

fuck chalice

i mean love chalice

[slender oak]

Ankh lasts until post ml

[keen ruin]

saved my ass on ifnernum scal twice

[dull heart]

ok but hear me out

evil chalice of the blood god (chaos stone)

[slender oak]

I think

[granite sapphire]

Like chalice is great because of its ability to do so

[keen ruin]

We need a blueprint accessory ( balatro )

[halcyon seal]

Honestly I haven’t gotten past pre-boss yet I have been too addicted to gregtech

[tired adder]

wizard enchantment is kinda like a blueprint

[pulsar cobalt]

this would be hilarious but unfortunately with how accessories are done rn in terraria in general thatd be kinda difficult and would prob require a bit of rewriting for like

[slender oak]

Gt my beloved (untill i immediately burn out lmao)

[pulsar cobalt]

every accessory ever

[dull heart]

yes. DR, defense, and regeneration being disabled

[thin magnet]

Reddit is a place where if there's a big controversy you have a 0 percent chance of reducing that fire

It's still good to look at to see people's criticisms or complaints

Cal reddit tldr right now just seems like "We don't like the change in philosophy moving forward because of the reasonings/lack of reasonings given

Like ngl the new philosophy should have been communicated after Fab was kicked out, people were oblivious to the new direction after Fab was gone, and in response people saw the further removal stuff as all le bad because of the lack of communication

[jagged copper]

yes but no longer provides debuff immunity (which is negligable)

[halcyon seal]

I’m still pretty new but I got to like mid EV on startech

[hearty horizon]

I'm personally partial to the early game class boost accessories in the Spooky Mod, like the candle that lets mage projectiles set enemies on fire, or the leaf that makes melee swings throw out spinning razor leaves

[halcyon seal]

Hopefully I can get UV at least

[dull heart]

okay to be fair

[granite sapphire]

I kinda just want a post yharon true melee baseball bat that every hit grants you an Auric energy ball, and you can either spam the energy balls or save up to max (10-20) and unleash a powerful nuke attack that's comparable to galaxy smasher

[dull heart]

most of the changes happened while fab was there

[tribal isle]

but what if i liked my poison immunity

[slender oak]

Oh yeah startech is fun

[distant raft]

wiz ench came first sorry

[halcyon seal]

Then use bezoar

[wise blade]

the other QoL stuff in configs arent necessary right?

[keen ruin]

void from slay the spire

[thin magnet]

Thats something I didn't know myself!

[tired adder]

so upgrade to holy collider?

[tribal isle]

why would i waste an accessory slot on that

[wise blade]

im quite fine with whatever I havent experienced late game

[dull heart]

the issue is mostly

[granite sapphire]

kinda but like an actual baseball bat

[halcyon seal]

Then don’t use bezoar

[dull heart]

the amount of time between all the updates

[tribal isle]

oki

[regal vessel]

Doze why did wing stats get removed

[dull heart]

wings all have unique flight-related gimmicks now

instead of dmg stats

[tribal isle]

why

[tired adder]

same as Terraria 1.4.5

[granite sapphire]

Good thing

[keen ruin]

Will Cal give some headway for the no wing playstyle

[rugged gale]

wait hang on

[dull heart]

slightly outdated, we reworked lunar wings

[granite sapphire]

The set bonus or stats just influenced you to use the same wings as your armor

[rugged gale]

obsidian skull doesnt give on fire immunity in vanilla???

[mystic eagle]

Why would accessories made for movement be just like any other accessory but with movement included

[dull heart]

already has

have you seen Gravity Globe rework

or disabling wings on tracers / moab

[slender oak]

Oh haven’t heard anything on that

[tired adder]

uhm, featherfall

just featherfall

[tribal isle]

why does the shield do anything else except reduce damage its a shield

[dull heart]

featherfall + carribbean rum

[tired adder]

featherfall is defiled's staple

[jagged copper]

I like this, makes you put more thought into what wings you choose

[mighty geyser]

ive never seen anyone mention any of these

[rugged gale]

yeah its just obsidian skin and molten armor wat

[thin magnet]

Not gonna lie the website would be great to have a statement put out about the future of Calamity and its new philosophy

As well as addressing the repeatedly spoken concerns or assumptions people have made to attach reason to some of the changes

[dull heart]

major issue with this is these are not conveyed in game well at all

[mighty geyser]

yeah

[distant raft]

does this make nebula mantle/vortex booster usable

[granite sapphire]

Instead of just always using fairy wings

[short jewel]

That looks cool tbh but im prob gonna end up using balloons until postML anyways

[rugged gale]

i didnt realize the fire resist was an addition from calamity

huh

[halcyon seal]

Angel but same idea

[keen ruin]

plz no infernumslop design 💔

[granite sapphire]

People preferred fairy for the flight speed/time and versatility

Angel is more of a tank build wing set with very slightly less mobility

Or was

[thin magnet]

Wdym by that? What did Infernum do?

[halcyon seal]

I did the math, angel was just better most of the time

[distant raft]

ok but the problem was that fairy and angel were so fucking close

angel had significantly higher bulk while fairy had slightly slightly higher flight time

[slender oak]

Probably talking about the over reliance of dash

[rugged gale]

though i did notice shield of the high ruler gives ankh immunities, but doesnt use ankh in its recipe

[slender oak]

My guess

[halcyon seal]

Wing time doesn’t really matter? All that matters is you have wings

Hooks and platforms solve the rest

[granite sapphire]

Consistently, angel was better overall, I always preferred it, but people chose fairy for the versatility 🥀

[desert garnet]

i always choose fairy cuz i like the wings

[rugged gale]

???

[granite sapphire]

I still choose angrl though, but I do sometimes grab a pair of harpy after mech 1 if im lucky

[rugged gale]

wing time absolutely matters

[main falcon]

Yeah i was confused why that didn't get removed since I suposed that the inmunity was given to be in par with asgard valor

[halcyon seal]

I mean it’s nice to have but you can very feasibly use angel wings for all of hardmode

[keen ruin]

modern mods are influenced alot by infernum design ( imo ), which is not a bad thing but it makes it really REALLY boring.
It's not the dash, the focus on bullet hell. I like what fargo's did with the dlc specifically since it highlights that not every boss has to have bh

[halcyon seal]

The only fight where I’d say you really need flight time is something like Fishron

[slender oak]

Ah

[rugged gale]

it does give it an advantage over valor in exchange for a worse dash

[hidden belfry]

You didn't say the thing

[distant raft]

hylian shield is a better dash

[keen ruin]

tldr: too much bullet helll

[halcyon seal]

searslug

[distant raft]

it is better at being a dash

[granite sapphire]

Not exactly, in base cal you can some of it, but in Infernum which people play more because they love ramslop you especially want post golem upgrades or at least pre golem

[hidden belfry]

Not that one

[distant raft]

it lets you move fast instantly

[hidden belfry]

💔

[rugged gale]

bonk gives less i-frames and interrupts movement, which ram dash doesnt

[main falcon]

It has a better dash and when bonking has lower dash cooldown

[distant raft]

dashes are for moving fast not ignoring hitboxes

[halcyon seal]

I mean I def prefer fishron wings but I used angel all the way up to Fishron in my own inf playthrough

[keen ruin]

life = breathing slop

[granite sapphire]

Bonk also is more convenient for not worm bosses

[distant raft]

like i said, better at being a dash

[halcyon seal]

It’s not that bad at all esp if you use stuff like aero stone

[pseudo vector]

we don't plan on our future design decisions to be influenced around infernum

[halcyon seal]

It also does 500 damage

[pseudo vector]

now that we have the freedom to make those decisions

[slender oak]

I mean like infurnum my beloved but that’s probably a good thing

[main falcon]

I was bummed out when I made the pauldrum thing

[rugged gale]

oh wow, 500 damage with a late hardmode accessory

[keen ruin]

It certainly feels so on BoC first phase, but i like what you guys did with DoG ( I was praying to god it wasn't dash spam )

[main falcon]

I thought it was another dash alternative

I wasnt aware of the dash modifier acesories

[distant raft]

you do realise how aggressive you can be with it right

it can be like 60% of your dps

[halcyon seal]

That’s like a LOT

[granite sapphire]

I still can't thank the dev team enough for making master death not worse than white room torture

[keen ruin]

second phase my bad

[pseudo vector]

probably just unintentional overlap

[main falcon]

Especially with boost accesories and the overall boss health nerf this update

[viscid surge]

I need your guys help, i think im going insane, i keep seeing a red mechanical worm

[keen ruin]

🥀 🥀 🥀 Love what you're doing keep up the good work

[viscid surge]

what is it 😭

[halcyon seal]

Don’t be mean to him

[pseudo vector]

there's only so much that you can do with a boss like brain until you make it entirely unrecognisable to the source material

[azure oak]

the find luigi attack is now one of my favorite attacks of any boss

[viscid surge]

I just want to know what it is

[rugged gale]

if your main weapon is doing less than 400 dps i think you might want to rework your build

[granite sapphire]

Why is it so difficult to kill, or is it like a pet you have to catch like a critter or what

[tired adder]

infernum gave terraria bosses good visuals and VFX, so any boss with good visuals is infernum-piled

[halcyon seal]

Critter, Burrower

[keen ruin]

I feel like there could be more to be done with the illusion mechanic ( not like fargo's )

[tired adder]

it's that simple

[viscid surge]

tysm

[hidden belfry]

Hopefully the clam still opens like a clam

[halcyon seal]

You do electrical damage to stun it

[pseudo vector]

god i hate how far behind base cal has been with bosses

[halcyon seal]

It’s not your main weapon, it’s +500 DPS for free (or more, potentially)

[granite sapphire]

No wonder why my nuclear bombs are doing nothing

[trim cedar]

my summons are disapearing does anyone know why ?

[pseudo vector]

i can't wait to remedy that issue once and for all

[main falcon]

I wonder if some maniac would do a dash based class calamity addon

What would that look like

[granite sapphire]

I would do that right now

[slender oak]

Yeah god i love the new DoG visuals, cant wait for more love to be given to the other bosses

[rugged gale]

its an improvement, but the main advantage of dashes has always been damage negation

[granite sapphire]

Just play with dashes only

[slender oak]

Hope EoW gets similar treatment to BoC

[main falcon]

Do the dash accessories even stack with eachother

[balmy saddle]

or better with parry only

[rugged gale]

no

[keen ruin]

https://youtu.be/1Fzkd7XBP-g?t=130 tell me does this look like a boc attack

[main falcon]

Sad but fair like all of them have some crazy damage multiplier for dashes

[granite sapphire]

calamity players dont like to think

[barren nacelle]

Remove Calamity
I don’t limke it

[pseudo vector]

we do plan on continuing to rework vanilla bosses over time, but we want to prioritise our own bosses over vanilla

[slender oak]

That’s fair

[pseudo vector]

brain was so fucking bad we had to do something about him though

[spark kiln]

what’s the first phase got similar to infernum

[hidden belfry]

The current rework on both Calamitas is kawabunga amounts of bazinga

[keen ruin]

i said my bad second phase

[main falcon]

I think the brainstorm example was a great use of it

[mighty geyser]

id imagine skeletron falls in this category as well

[main falcon]

Reworking both a vannilla and a calamity boss

[spark kiln]

what’s the similarity

[pseudo vector]

skeletron is another one we want to address, but that could honestly be said for just about every rev+ vanilla boss

[icy stump]

Thanks Big E for BoC rework

[mighty geyser]

yeah

[spark kiln]

king slime is already cool

eoc too i think

[thick spire]

I had so much fun with Rev BoC

[spark kiln]

deerclops is bs rn

[mighty geyser]

by far the most refreshing part of brainstorm is bosses that are actually designed

[main falcon]

I never had to much issues with squeletron tbh, at most it was fault of the overturned stats

[mighty geyser]

with attacks that serve a purpose

[loud lotus]

whats the best wings pre providence?

[mighty geyser]

instead of random bullshit go

[tired adder]

can't wait to move on from Fabsol reusing some kind of vanilla boss enemy AI for every boss

[hidden belfry]

Deerclops just a chill boss, they ain't really doing nothing in the lore

[spark kiln]

celestial

[hidden belfry]

Ravanger :

[loud lotus]

still? okay thanks

[spark kiln]

solar / stardust specifically

[spark kiln]

fym still

providence is right after ml

[slender oak]

Honestly crabulon needs love atm because it really is just king slime 2

[main falcon]

What bosses do you guys think are un the most desperate for a rework

[keen ruin]

https://youtu.be/gGWiaunFvHE?t=87 https://youtu.be/1Fzkd7XBP-g?t=130

[spark kiln]

crab got cool changes in 2.1

[keen ruin]

side by side

[slender oak]

Oh

[tired adder]

ravager doesn't even hide that it is based on golem

[slender oak]

Didn’t know

[loud lotus]

idk i beat dragonfolly and profaned i thought there would be atleast one upgrade after 2 bosses

[distant raft]

exos but thats gonna be a while

[tired adder]

and his head mimicks retinazer p2

[spark kiln]

those are barely bosses

[main falcon]

Yeah i love that he is now an alternative to summon the goblin army early

[keen ruin]

elmme find a better example

[loud lotus]

true

[distant raft]

best to not rush it

[spark kiln]

guardians don’t even drop anything except for relics and provi summon

and dragonfolly drops a whole lot of nothing useful

[fallen olive]

funnily enough, crabulon actually got a fabsolian rework this update
enjoy it, for it is the last born of a dying species

[keen ruin]

What is this fabsolian era

[loud lotus]

yeah true but idk like the effulgent feathers make sense for wings but ig not

[spark kiln]

the crabulon changes are fun tho

[fierce nebula]

Bad

[keen ruin]

Define bad

and what bad

[icy stump]

Those who know...

[keen ruin]

toes who nose

[tired adder]

imagine your boss disregarding the decisions of your own team and doing unprompted things on a whim

[icy stump]

You can search videos about Calamity Mod - All bosses, and check an old version

[tired adder]

like I heard from CalCast, how Old Duke just suddenly became a thing

[rugged gale]

so i checked the high ruler's stats, and if done with perfect timing, it's a raw dps of 2000, which is actually much better than i expected

[mighty geyser]

fabsol's calamity mod is like a house where an extremely territorial dragon has nested in the kitchen and torches anyone who tries to make food because it thinks its the best chef in the world (it only makes toast)

[keen ruin]

I was talking bout boss design

we already know fabsol was a bad person

[distant raft]

*scorched toast

[keen ruin]

Scorched toast with mayo

[tired adder]

again, copypastes/imitations of vanilla strong enemies

[distant raft]

sometimes the dragon blacks out for a couple days and makes a good sandwich

[keen ruin]

and a side of pepper

[distant raft]

its rare but its happened a couple times

[icy stump]

Insert Unique AI gif

[keen ruin]

😭

[distant raft]

mothron boss 🤤

[halcyon seal]

Also the dragon has 20 professional chefs that it begrudgingly lets make little treats (BUT NEVER THE MAIN COURSE ONLY HE CAN DO THAT)

[rugged gale]

isnt yharon based on duke?

[distant raft]

yeah

[tired adder]

provi is ice queen
folly is mothron
dog was crawtepidite
calclone is twins
ravager is golem
yharon is fishron

[rugged gale]

oh folly

[distant raft]

but not to the same extent that dragonfolly is mothron

[halcyon seal]

Signus is a corite

[distant raft]

ares is empress

[icy stump]

But with the new team, bosses can be changed, like current Boc or DoG

[keen ruin]

DoG was good

[mighty geyser]

the greatest shame of my life is that i once defended this boss design when i was like 14

[distant raft]

dont worry im sure youve got more shameful moments than that

[slender oak]

Man i am too used to infurnum that i forget how much ai reuse there is in base calamity, cant wait to see this fixed

[tired adder]

I thought the empress sticking to screen is calamity's change

[rugged gale]

also plaguebringer goliath (queen bee), exo mechs (mech bosses), slime god (king slime x2)

[halcyon seal]

Tbf every mod was doing vanilla AI copying back in like 2016

[keen ruin]

Though I'd like for the devs to extend first phase DoG's body

[halcyon seal]

The only difference is most grew out of it

[keen ruin]

that was 10 years ago

holy shit

[tired adder]

slime god is biome mimics

[distant raft]

i think mutant was never vanilla ai

[keen ruin]

mutant?

[distant raft]

but i forget when mutant was

[keen ruin]

flying saucer AI

[thick spire]

I still do like Providence's boss but I think it could do with a tweak.

[distant raft]

duke ex though

[rugged gale]

isnt that from fargo's

[halcyon seal]

Provi is the one case where vanilla AI actually works really well for her

[rugged gale]

oh yeah speaking of fargos, it also still does that

[halcyon seal]

Like ice queen is strangely effective for what Provi is trying to do (spam projectiles at you in a pattern)

Broken clock ig

[slender oak]

Still a unique ai would be better

[distant raft]

when eternity mode twins are built off twins ai 😱

[thick spire]

For sure yeah a unique AI would do her good

[edgy bough]

did the bags update fix all the bugs it was causing or is it for something else

[rugged gale]

deviantt is pretty much just cultist

[keen ruin]

Why are we getting mad about bosses moving like a vanilla boss

[distant raft]

how so

[halcyon seal]

Ofc I’d prefer a unique AI but she has no immediate need for it

[pulsar cobalt]

you wouldnt believe it but calamitys golem ai is built off of golem

[tired adder]

I meant, when bosses literally do the same movement as vanilla enemies

[slender oak]

If guardians and providence get changes i hope they dont pull an infurnum and make guardians so much harder then providence for like no reason lmao

[thick spire]

Yeah I think the movements being copy pasted is totally fine its like ayy lmao Providence is floating ayyyyy

[rugged gale]

deviantt sits still in mid air, does an attack, teleports, and repeats

[distant raft]

no she very much moves

[halcyon seal]

Yeah Devi moves quite a bit

[pseudo vector]

i don't think we plan on making the same mistakes as infernum made, because as much as infernum is solid, its definitely a flawed mod in a good amount of ways

[pulsar cobalt]

ok its not

[distant raft]

like she runs circles around you in ice balls + tornados

[pulsar cobalt]

THIS is the correct video i think

[tired adder]

slime god is biome mimic because paladins do rapid hops, then fly to you to setup a slam

[rugged gale]

okay yeah its been a while since i did eternity

[pulsar cobalt]

fun fact rav p2 also uses biome mimic ai for the exact same targetted slam

[rugged gale]

and tbh i really didnt like deviantt

[thick spire]

Aureus

[slender oak]

I do hope there is a day base calamity surpasses infurnum

[gritty musk]

deviantt should be an early hardmode boss you do not have the movement in prehm for her to be fun

[spark kiln]

i found her fun 👍

[distant raft]

no you very much do

[rugged gale]

for fargo's dlc you get wings

[distant raft]

you just suck at utilising it

[spark kiln]

issue of skill i believe

[rugged gale]

the main issue i have with deviantt is a very specific attack, and a very specific debuff

[tired adder]

fargo's movement is ridiculously fun

[pulsar cobalt]

this is also relevant i think

[mystic eagle]

They approach the bosses in entirely different ways so none will ever surpass the other

[distant raft]

boots, bundle, and some sort of vertical is absolutely enough

[slender oak]

That’s fair

[raw pendant]

Scal is STILL Twins ai?? 😭😭

[pulsar cobalt]

her base moveset? yes

[short jewel]

Magi/meteor enchant too

[tired adder]

you can dash with mounts and dash like sonic and dash in 8 directions

[gritty musk]

my friend hated it i thought it was ok but she was mostly just too tanky for us to do prehm, she was fine right out of hardmode though

[tired adder]

how is that not peak?

[raw pendant]

So i wonder why they didn't consider changing the movement

[distant raft]

oh yeah meteor ench or dheart over boots can work

[rugged gale]

the giant laser that they shoot that is absurdly hard to dodge, and lovestruck forcing you to wait and do nothing

[slender oak]

So cool that base terraria added a mount that dashes

[pulsar cobalt]

i HATE meteor ench who thought to make magi a damage accessory magi doesnt need more

💥

[distant raft]

medusa ray is like her easiest strong

[short jewel]

Dheart?

[distant raft]

darkened heart

[gritty musk]

hardest attack imo is the axe or the heart lasers

[rugged gale]

THATS THE BITCH

[short jewel]

Oh right

[rugged gale]

that stupid fricking stoned into instakill combo

[distant raft]

you can tank it on maso

[spark kiln]

it’s extremely easy to dodge and there’s an accessory to avoid it

[gritty musk]

you gotta turn away from her to not get petrified

[distant raft]

i've done it before

it is in fact not an instakill

[hoary edge]

holy

[rugged gale]

is that true on eternity-death?

[slender oak]

Oh i am curious what’s going to happen with whips in calamity once tmod is updated to 1.4.5 since no more whip stacking

[gritty musk]

nothing, cal alr removes whip stacking doesnt it lmao

[distant raft]

ok i want you to think

[tired adder]

speaking of whips

[distant raft]

does expert or master have bigger stats

[short jewel]

Is eternity-death even a thing anymore?

[tired adder]

2.1 whip changes are certainly something

[distant raft]

no

now just erev and masodeath

[slender oak]

What changed?

[rugged gale]

when was that removed?

[gritty musk]

oh yeah cause masomode is master exclusive and now so is death

[rustic kernel]

Seriously? Driftwood is ONLY obtainable from crates?

[graceful jay]

What changed to the whips? I didn't notice anything when playing

[rugged gale]

ah that right

[distant raft]

cal 2.1, souls dlc 1.2.0.20

[tired adder]

like devs wanted to change their ways, but also want to keep things the same

[spark kiln]

how complete is the dlc

[distant raft]

mult tag and whipstacking died

[spark kiln]

what ways and what changed

[tired adder]

so we have this:

Changed Snapthorn from 1.04x multiplicative damage to +1 flat damage.

[tropic jolt]

goes up to calclone and also has old duke and exo mechs if you mean calamity reworks

[rugged gale]

wait no i was just an idiot

"just turn around"

[graceful jay]

no I mean in calamity

[rugged gale]

it was literally that simple

[rugged gale]

post ml whips when

[gritty musk]

i never wouldve figured out you can just turn around for the medusa attack without the wiki cause thats not how terraria medusa works lol

[oak granite]

hello everyone, im playing w my friends, i have a bug when im trying to kill a brain of cthulhu

[rugged gale]

yeah

[oak granite]

it disappeared like 3 times when its 1 hp

[spark kiln]

switch to expert

[rugged gale]

im used to the regular terraria strategy of "always be casting"

[oak granite]

ingame?

or world settings

[rugged gale]

which is also part of why i hate lovestruck so much

[spark kiln]

no irl

[oak granite]

oh sure

[rugged gale]

since its a pure stall effect

[oak granite]

one sec

[spark kiln]

there’s only one expert mode

[oak granite]

ok whats next

[spark kiln]

kill it again

in expert

[oak granite]

master isnt working yeah??

[rugged gale]

its working for calamity now

[spark kiln]

i mean you can do master if you like

just not revengeance or death

[oak granite]

why we cant kill him anyway

its new bossfight lol

[spark kiln]

because of the rev mode rework

bugged in mp

[rugged gale]

is there a bug with brain on current patch?

[oak granite]

ohhh ok ty

[gritty musk]

classic terraria mp smh

[rugged gale]

oh so just move to SP and kill it there

[spark kiln]

just take off rev

[oak granite]

whats wrong with tmodloader mp

[wary crest]

It keeps breaking Infernum, idk bout other mods

[oak granite]

0 mods optimized

[rugged gale]

never!

[distant raft]

mult tag and whipstacking died

[tired adder]

like why keep the numbers low, if they can't be stacked?

[rugged gale]

so there is something very silly that they added

[spark kiln]

because the numbers are balanced around not stacking

[rugged gale]

the summoner modifiers

[distant raft]

summon weapons use magic modifiers

[rugged gale]

namely, one that gives +10 tag damage for a minion

[short jewel]

Whipstacking removed
Tag is reverted to flat dmg, altho nerfed into oblivion compared to vanilla tags

[slender oak]

Until 1.4.5 it’s released for tmodloader

[distant raft]

except whips which use broadsword modifiers

[rugged gale]

like seriously this one modifier when put on blade staff basically triples its dps

wait hang on

ill tempered gives armor pen???

[idle dagger]

I think skeletron is bugged in death multi cuz in solo he has 4 arms but in multi he only gets 2 and has so little hp...

[spark kiln]

death ai is disabled on mp

because it was buggy