calamity-update-talk

[pale silo]

theyll shush about it soon, just like they did with the fishing changes

[deft lily]

and the crate changes

[pale silo]

all that it is, is death is now gonna represent master stats, rather than expert stats. and itll just take time to sink in for "some" people

[deft lily]

yeah

[pale silo]

personally i like the direction its going tbh

[uncut briar]

is difficulty modes streamlined now?

no difficulty mode logic tree?

[pale silo]

because before expert rev to expert death honestly felt like the same difficulty ngl

[deft lily]

#calamity-update-talk message

[uncut briar]

jeez

thats still like 3 too many but yknow

its better

[pale silo]

woah thats a new colour! we need to rainbow again

[deft lily]

do you not like cal difficulties

[uncut briar]

wait how long is slow mode ill space my messages in solidarity

[pale silo]

10 seconds rn

[main falcon]

I think what helped me the most in the Levi figth was a conbination of the palladium armour and two swords

[mystic eagle]

30 seconds

[pale silo]

and the fact theyre not a threat

[pale silo]

sorry my b, its 6 hours rn

[main falcon]

Pre mech

[pale silo]

yeah...theyre not a threat.

[main falcon]

The caustic egde and the celestial claymorr

[pale silo]

angel wings pre flight buff is enough to dodge em forever

[uncut briar]

no i dislike the mix and matching cal has to do with rev/expert/master/death and the egregious options, when you could streamline it down to expert(which is arguably the least changed out of all of them anyway)

[fierce hearth]

The new difficulty mode system is honestly just "Calamity difficulty option for every vanilla difficulty" which you could argue is really just 1 difficulty mode that is added onto vanilla difficulties

[uncut briar]

ive also never liked malice lol but that's Old malice i dont know what's up with Neo Malice

[pale silo]

malice is just renamed death dw

[frail tapir]

Is it just me or the dev intentionally make elysian wings kinda useless, cuz once you obtain it, u use it against dog and that's it

[pale silo]

its just the usual gfb/ftw stuffs

[uncut briar]

wait what

wdym renamed death

[deft lily]

malice is only back in name as a shitpost

[pale silo]

you do know that you can craft the boots pre dog now.

[deft lily]

malice is just ftw death with legendary mode stat scaling

[pale silo]

also elysian wings is pre polt, sentinels, AND OD too

[deft lily]

with no actual ai changes

[pale silo]

elysian is meant for 6 bosses

[fierce hearth]

Rev is Calamity + Expert, Death is Calamity + Master, Malice is Calamity + Legendary

[uncut briar]

okay fair yeah legendary seed is a joke. I'm sure people are going to take it seriously for challenge runs and then get mad that it's hard though

[frail tapir]

[uncut briar]

some things never change

[mellow spade]

I just realized what weapon I'm about to unlock

So you can now do ALL of hardmode rogue with just THREE weapons

[pale silo]

yeahhhh but thatll always happen

[deft lily]

🤷‍♂️ i see no reason to hyperfixate on that

[mellow spade]

from first mech to moon lord, you just need blazing star and stellar knife

[uncut briar]

who said anything about hyperfixating

[pale silo]

everyone.

[misty wren]

(also difficulty mixmatching isnt really what happens its just Calamity Difficulty™ plus Whichever Vanilla Difficulty and that determines what difficulty you get

[uncut briar]

dont know them, sorry

[mellow spade]

this is why I love rogue, it always gets done dirty every update except for a couple weapons, except those weapons are always busted as fuck

[pale silo]

should ping them, theyre nice people

[gloomy grove]

HIII MRRP

[deft lily]

that's the implication i got with this message...

[misty wren]

calamity difficulty on expert is rev, calamity difficulty on master is death

[fierce nebula]

🫧 🐈

[pale silo]

(it gets done dirty because its always busted af)

[deft lily]

nobody should be catering to those people in the first place

[uncut briar]

don't tempt me

hi Big Flea from Silksong

[pale silo]

not tempting just...suggesting

[fierce nebula]

cat

[uncut briar]

how's everyone enjoying the update is BoC hive mind tier now

(qualitywise

[deft lily]

Rev+ BoC is good now yes

[rich cairn]

whats the best mage weapon for lunatic cultist

[pale silo]

ive not fought hive mind in expert death for ages so idk, used to master hive which was...yeah

[deft lily]

i havent really seen anybody actively hating on BoC rework which is good

[pale silo]

i love current brain on death tbh

[gloomy grove]

unironically the best designed fight in the mod to date

[pale silo]

one sec ima get what i said as soon as i beat it first time

[open arch]

Weird seeing most wings without stat bonuses..

[amber egret]

my only issue with new brain is that they sometimes drift into you which hurts, and that the thrown enemies are a bit hard to see

[pale silo]

omni pot likely helps tbh

[amber egret]

i dont often go and make buff pots
i shrimply forget

[pale silo]

i very rarely do too

i think i only made regen? just cause i had stuff laying around

[deft lily]

the DoG rework is pretty good too although it still utilizes his pre-Brainstorm AI and not a true "ground up reimagining" that Rev+ BoC got. mostly cuz this rework was just so that his fight doesn't suck for the time being.

[pale silo]

yet to do it so cant say for sure for dog

[gloomy grove]

it is temporary yeah

[hidden belfry]

How do y'all unlock malice? Or is it disintegrated?

[pale silo]

but from what ive seen, it seems far better

[gloomy grove]

legendary seed iirc

[deft lily]

create a legendary mode world

[pale silo]

ONLY in ftw or gfb seeds

[gloomy grove]

not a high bar to pass to be fairr

[pale silo]

yeah but it skips like 8 bars at once

[hidden belfry]

That's it? Someone on mod talk is ON a legendary world and isn't seeing anything

[gloomy grove]

[pale silo]

theyre not. they manually edited their world

[gloomy grove]

^^ this doesnt work

[pale silo]

the actual seed isnt registered as a ftw/gfb world, thus it doesnt work

[deft lily]

^

[pale silo]

(afaia, its fargos best of both worlds causing it, but manual editing also causes it)

[gloomy grove]

i think malice needs giant big red text that says its not to be taken seriously

[pale silo]

it does, its called "malice"

[deft lily]

malice is never going to be properly maintained

[fathom girder]

Welp. Scal's dead, run's over, time to do some melee nonsense and actually break the game

[pale silo]

use rain armour while you can

[deft lily]

its literally just a shitpost difficulty

[fathom girder]

Idc about rain armor, I've got something else in mind

[rustic fulcrum]

saw talk around it earlier, whys it so busted

[open arch]

Cat Mario the gamemode

[pale silo]

tldr: hits every tick, does insane damage per hit, is pre boss

[rustic fulcrum]

so like new coldheart right

[pale silo]

(its the rain coat set bonus)

[rustic fulcrum]

thats funny asf

[mellow spade]

damn, they made blazing star into an armour set

[subtle pagoda]

when is dog rework? next update or next next update

[fathom girder]

if I had a nickel for every time an electric-themed attack ignored ticks and instakilled the entire game, I'd have two nickels

[untold wadi]

is anybody getting a game engine crash from calamity?

[pale silo]

its also not limited to being in a wall

[mellow spade]

this update :)

[fathom girder]

which isn't a lot, but it's funny that it's happened twice

[humble oriole]

where do i find the burrower mob they added, i need the burrower beacon for universal splitter

[pale silo]

we have an inbetween rework, but distortion will be when its done

[rustic fulcrum]

this update, its really good

[mellow spade]

true

[subtle pagoda]

i meant the definitive rework

[mellow spade]

does... the Bandit not sell Kylie anymore?

[pale silo]

with distortion, which is TBD

[subtle pagoda]

the resprite rework

[rustic fulcrum]

surface chests now iirc

[mellow spade]

ah

...lovely
is frostcrush valari good?
or is this gonna be a big waste of time

[stark quail]

resprite is cancelled iirc

[gloomy grove]

when they get around to it, theres no ETA just like everything else

[pale silo]

yeah the big one is yeeted

[granite sapphire]

WOOHOOO

[pale silo]

there likely will be one but its not public

[mellow spade]

weird quirk i just noticed, my world doesn't have any big living trees despite being a large world

[granite sapphire]

absolutely PEAK

[pale silo]

not no hit valid. town npcs helped.

[rich ginkgo]

not happening for years lol + that sprite is scrapped

[pale silo]

no its sooner than you think

[granite sapphire]

i wasnt no hitting

[subtle pagoda]

the huge sprite is scrapped?

[tribal isle]

Did phaseslayer get killed yet

[pale silo]

doesnt change anything

[subtle pagoda]

the one that got hated by a lot fo redditors

[cinder mural]

yes

[granite sapphire]

I wasn't no hitting

[rich ginkgo]

it really isnt

[pale silo]

no one cares ab the redit

[cinder mural]

y'all mean devourer of gods resprite? or yharon?

[pale silo]

its just scrapped because it wont work with their vision for the fight

[rich ginkgo]

and because it was boring

[pale silo]

DoG

[cinder mural]

yeah

[pale silo]

no if its by itself its pretty good. it just doesnt work as a fight

[cinder mural]

DoG resprite is discarded
even stated on the newsletter

[rich ginkgo]

literally objectively wrong lol multiple artists said this themselves

[gloomy grove]

ok tbf it is pretty boring

[pale silo]

"oh no i guess i cant have opinions because other people had opinions"

[tribal isle]

They need to do sso, crags overhaul, resprite yharon, rework practically every boss, rework post ml

[cinder mural]

i still don't know who even asked for that sprite
it's way too big

[pale silo]

the bosses are NOT a focus point of any update

[gloomy grove]

working from the head down and your only design reference point is the ancient cover album for the ost was a choice

[tribal isle]

But I liked my 4k ultra hd dog sprite

[rich ginkgo]

like i said, part of the reason it was scrapped was because it was seen as boring to many (specifically the artists), you are objectively wrong

[pale silo]

theyre gonna be done just like how it was done with brainstorm, 2/3 per update with biome overhauls or item overhauls etc

[hidden belfry]

Let's start with yharon rework, all the others seem just fine...

[pale silo]

okay nice so now opinions can be wrong, good to know.

[gloomy grove]

i dont get this sentiment either

[rich ginkgo]

i dont think you understand what im saying

[fathom girder]

wow how nice

[versed fern]

Big Flea, truly the most perfect creature to ever be conceived in the history of fiction

[pale silo]

no i completely understand what youre saying

[subtle pagoda]

i suck at arguing but just because artists said it was boring doesnt mean its the only reason

[hidden belfry]

I can see why artists would get bored with a DoG resprite...

[rich ginkgo]

lol it was said multiple times in this server and patreon server

[jagged copper]

GUYS. IT'S HIM

[fathom girder]

HOLY SHIT

[hidden belfry]

HOLY SHIT

[pale silo]

and as i DID say: from a fight standpoint the sprite just doesnt work at all. im just also saying i liked the sprite as a concept

[cinder mural]

and it's true

[hidden belfry]

Open the chest

[pale silo]

that is whats known as an opinion

[tribal isle]

Not get what
The huge 4k ultra hd dog sprite has aura

[gloomy grove]

the whole 4k ultra hd thing, its just a pixel accurate sprite to the size that they want dog in

[subtle pagoda]

i hated the huge dog not gonna lie

[cinder mural]

i honestly find it way too much for a sprite even for this boss

[fathom girder]

I missed a SINGLE dynamite

[pale silo]

if you treat the sprite as an enemy yes

[rich ginkgo]

im not talking about your opinion i was talking about how what you stated was only half of the reason why it was scrapped and you argued otherwise 😭😭

[pale silo]

if you treat it as friendly jared no

[hidden belfry]

😭

[cinder mural]

no, jared is okay

[stark quail]

jared mention

[cinder mural]

that thing is intimidating

[rich ginkgo]

i dont care if you found it cool it’s fact that part of the reason why it was scrapped is because it was “boring”, im not saying it was or wasnt boring

[stark quail]

im glad everyone here still unanimously calls him jared

[tropic jolt]

evil ass chests

[grave rock]

the alternative would be a regular upscaled sprite

[pale silo]

i never said any reason why it was scrapped, minus it being too big for a fight. i just ALSO said i liked it as a concept. reread what i said.

[jagged copper]

it would appear that the arena dragged all my town npcs into it

[hidden belfry]

Mischievous chest as one should say

[cinder mural]

same as calling duke boomer duke

[gloomy grove]

everybody goes to the slammer

[cinder mural]

extra help

[rich ginkgo]

what are you even lying for

[pale silo]

jared is fren shaped

[jagged copper]

Sentenced to calclone fight

[hidden belfry]

Dawg, make an arena FURTHER away from your base 💔

[rich ginkgo]

like you said right there it was JUST because it doesnt work for a fight 😭

[pale silo]

"by itself its pretty good" = concept for a friendly sprite its good. NOT "it can work ingame as an enemy in any way"

[uncut briar]

wait is Big Dog scrapped

[rich ginkgo]

yeah

[cinder mural]

yes

[gloomy grove]

yeah

[uncut briar]

fuuck man i gotta catch up on my calamity mod terraria knowledge

good that thing was ugly sorry

[gloomy grove]

youre missing out mrrp, some good changes have happened

[uncut briar]

i dont have time for a terraria playthrough

[hidden belfry]

Shit would probably be valid if it was a talkative npc instead of a boss

[frosty marten]

don´t listen to him, NPCs yearn for the thanatos laser of anihilation

[cinder mural]

the giant ass sprite is being discarded
making a functional fight with that is functionally impossible

[gloomy grove]

they chucked out alot of unneeded qol from the content mod

[uncut briar]

yeah i know i think most people knew it was delusional

[rich ginkgo]

it’ll be more alien-like, hopefully

[pale silo]

im sorry you have an issue with an opinion. now ill shush before it becomes too big for a thing because atp its overtaking the chat. i was just stating my feelings on it.

[cinder mural]

i still wonder why the sprite was an idea to begin with? who even came up with it?

[rich ginkgo]

why are you still replying to me

[gloomy grove]

i kinda want dog to be more serpentine-ish

[uncut briar]

i gotta do important stuff like play different games and fight dyslexia and a 80 page paper simultaneously

[rich ginkgo]

he fought for 30 years…

[gloomy grove]

size accurate dog or something

[uncut briar]

no idea, but it was based off the album art and designed backwards which is a horrible starting place

[subtle pagoda]

is the next update the second part of SSO?

[wide wadi]

Sso

[uncut briar]

is the first part of sso out?

[gloomy grove]

oh hey im not alone on how horrible this idea was

[cinder mural]

sunken sea update? i think in july

[rich ginkgo]

no

[uncut briar]

then no

[cinder mural]

bruh

[pale silo]

very likely yes. the devs did say they may not, but the next big update is very likely 1.4.5 port too

[wide wadi]

Soon

[gloomy grove]

gng first part of sso isnt even out

[pale silo]

brainstorm IS the first part of sso, thats fact and was stated by quite a few devs

[uncut briar]

selective reading

[rich ginkgo]

chatgpt ass response lmfao

[gloomy grove]

[stark quail]

?

[rich ginkgo]

brainstorm isnt the first part of sso dude nobody stated this 😭

[cinder mural]

honestly? this is fine by me
if tmod port bigger and boulder before the expected date
it'll be easier to make the port for all mods then update them

[pale silo]

brainstorm is all the sso update just without the sunken sea part. its just everything else

[hidden belfry]

TS ain't even a
Enough for DoG

[wide wadi]

Next week sso

[uncut briar]

one day this will be true

[mellow spade]

still blazing star

for a post mech 1 weapon, again, really not bad

[pale silo]

too many platforms imo

[cinder mural]

i fight my bosses in this

more than enough

[frosty marten]

we´ll need to go underground, level those mountains down

[hidden belfry]

It's too short

[pale silo]

ehhh nah

[hidden belfry]

Oh god, not the corruption

[cinder mural]

meh
i defeated Infernum DoG in an arena this small

[pale silo]

50 by 50 box when

[cinder mural]

i still can't get to 50 by 50 arena
i ain't that crazy

[pale silo]

but honestly you only need 2/3 platforms between 2 large hills and that works for every boss

[cinder mural]

i still have some leftover sanity

[pale silo]

exos and ml prefers 1 platform worldwide, but everyone else works in the other arena

[frosty marten]

mister wordlwide

[pale silo]

takes 5-10 mins to build

depending on mobs being annoying

[subtle pagoda]

after SSO whats next? a while ago i've heard its brimstone crags rework, has that changed?

[mellow spade]

ok, wow
a much better 2:37 on another attempt

[pale silo]

sso isnt even the confirmed next update rn

[cinder mural]

5 minutes top if you have a thing called fargo's mutant mod XD

[pale silo]

its just the likely next update

[frosty marten]

having both seraph tracers and wings of rebirth feels so nice 🙏

[pale silo]

im talking base cal. brick layer + builder potion = VERY fast building

[fathom girder]

SSO isn't confirmed to be an update at all

[jagged copper]

what the fuck has she done she's cursed my npcs

[hidden belfry]

Pearl god is the goat chat

[fathom girder]

For all we know rn, the content will be in different updates entirely

[pale silo]

yeah

[frosty marten]

it´s okay man, they´re in heaven looking down at us rn

[hidden belfry]

Brainstorm - Brain of Chutlu
Green needle - Eater of Wonks!!!!

[pale silo]

what imo will likely happen: sunken sea update IS next update, with reworks to DS and EoW (and changes to prime/tron to make it actually work in mp)

[fathom girder]

I don't think even the devs know what they wanna do next yet lul

[pale silo]

then itll probably be 1.4.5 port

[pale silo]

oh yeah dw, theyre probably understandably burnt out a decent bit

[mellow spade]

the devs deserve to take a long vacation

[pale silo]

but a majority of sso should be "designed" already (sprite wise) so that should probably be the "easiest" option

[subtle pagoda]

noooo i want yharim

[pale silo]

problem is boss ai's but thats a secondary issue

[fathom girder]

potentially

[subtle pagoda]

yharim before 2030 what are we thinking

[pale silo]

its basically whenever people can be assed to do giant clam and DS (and cnidrion)

and whatever else is happening

god knows what theyll be like

[fathom girder]

Y'know, the entire biome overhaul with subbiomes and ecosystems and

The scope of SSO is amusing to me

[pale silo]

most of that is sprited already so that bit should be okay ish

coding wise will be...well yeah its code. thatll take time

[fathom girder]

we know the static sprites are done, though remember the animating half of it

[pale silo]

animations are easyyyy (lie)

[fathom girder]

which is another hell entirely

[gloomy grove]

nah

cd already mentioned yesterday that they want to move away from sso for now as barely anyone on the team wants to work on sunken sea specifically

[mellow spade]

ok blazing star seems to fall off on Aureus

but the new leviathan teeth rework doesn't!

[pale silo]

Knew there was some sort of talk like this

[granite sapphire]

Post devourer is so peak

[mellow spade]

honestly i like the sound of this
especially cuz waiting for brainstorm started to get old after a while
would rather the devs go with smaller scale stuff before tackling SSO

[cosmic wharf]

specifically because the mods are gonna have to code either a whole new biome or a whole new dimension into the game from scratch, I think it'll be a bit longer than that

[pale silo]

Distortion will be a new dimension too

[cosmic wharf]

+they've committed to reworking everything that comes before

[native thistle]

One more to the pile it seems

[cosmic wharf]

and that

[pale silo]

Dragon aeire (or however you spell) will be yharim place afaia?

[gloomy grove]

its the last thing you visit yeah

[cosmic wharf]

Yeah, but idk if that'll be a biome or dimension, because it's either just a super-high-up sky island or a pocket dimension.

[pale silo]

Afaia sub dimension

Wouldn't make sense that you'd be able to go there from pre boss

[gloomy grove]

both are gonna be subworlds

[cosmic wharf]

Yeah, that makes more sense.

[knotty violet]

old lords claymore looks cool af but i miss it having something special

[tribal isle]

It doesn’t throw projectiles anymore?

[knotty violet]

it is just a big sword now, no projectiles nor movement

[gloomy grove]

10x better than previous thats for sure

[tribal isle]

Then what’s the point

[fluid moss]

how long it often gets for calamity to update for a newest tmodloader version?

[gloomy grove]

its already updated to latest

[knotty violet]

big chunky sword w big chunky damage

[cosmic wharf]

When Yharim does come out, will the shadowspec items be moved to post-Yharim?

[hasty tangle]

yes

[pale silo]

Tmod is who hasn't updated

[fluid moss]

1.4.5? and calamity is updated too?

[gloomy grove]

yes, shadowspec is specifically a post-game material

[gloomy grove]

tmodloader isnt on 1.4.5 yet and wont be for a couple months

[pale silo]

Calamity can't update to 1.4.5 when tmod itself hasn't. And when tmod did 1.4.4 (a smaller update) it took 8 months

Tho tmod team is more organised now

[fluid moss]

i mean, THEN it got updated to 1.4.5, how long it will take to calamity update too?

[knotty violet]

tbh we are not gonna see yarhim for quite some time because theres so much more non-endgame stuff needed for the game

[uncut briar]

???? huh

[cosmic wharf]

You think other post-Scal/Exos items will be added to take their place?

[pale silo]

At earliest, id assume it'd be July, latest would be oct

[gloomy grove]

take whos place

[pale silo]

Will have to wait and see. Normally it's pretty fast though

[uncut briar]

wasnt there a ton of work done for sso already?

[gloomy grove]

idk im not a dev

[cosmic wharf]

The shadowspec items. You think they'll add more stuff pre-Yharim and post Scal/Exos to take their place?

[granite sapphire]

Devil's Devastation is now my favorite post dog melee weapon

[pale silo]

Afaia mainly sprite work. But low motivation to work on it does a number on things

[gloomy grove]

afaik i think theyve barely touched on the world gen aspect, its mostly spritework and misc stuff

[fathom girder]

I wonder how good this is on its own

[uncut briar]

gulp

[fathom girder]

what

[gloomy grove]

brainstorm literally exists because the devs would rather work on something different than sso

[fathom girder]

Brainstorm was the update that took all the non SSO stuff from SSO

[gloomy grove]

got to the point where the changelogs for 2.1 were more non-sso than they were sso, the procrastination update 🗣️

[fathom girder]

The correct term would beeeeeeeeee scope creep cuz they were definitely still doing SSO stuff

[rich ginkgo]

doesnt this also mean sso sooner because i remember hearing 2027 sso estimations becoming realistic before the second split happened lmao (the sso to sso and brainstorm split)

[cosmic wharf]

Updating the old before adding new stuff is their game plan, so it would make sense if SSO got delayed in favor of more boss reworks.

[fierce hearth]

Brainstorm is a compromise because they realized waiting to finish SSO wasn't worth it anymore, so they cooked up an update that could lay groundwork for future updates instead of committing to finishing such an overwhelmingly large update that was well past exhausting in time to develop

[pale silo]

It'd only mean sooner if the Devs wanted to do ot

From what we can tell, they don't want to do it (or will do it slowly in the background while doing other updates)

[rich ginkgo]

i dont think anybody said they dont want to do sso i think they’re just tired

[fierce hearth]

SSO is the first of many Major World Overhauls to come, so I kind of get wanting the game to be fun before it's pretty

[rich ginkgo]

this update has been in the works for years now im surprised they didnt get burnt out sooner tbh

[pale silo]

Cd music did

[pale silo]

Yeetus

[rich ginkgo]

where

[fierce hearth]

Flea's comment that was replied to

[pale silo]

Doze also said smth ab it on day of release I think?

But I CBA to find that

[dull heart]

what

[fathom girder]

hi doze

[rich ginkgo]

cdmusic said they werent motivated, that’s completely different from saying they dont want to do sso lmao

burn out ≠ quitting

[dull heart]

a lot of people on the team have been very burned out of sso for a very long time

[tribal isle]

Is yharim’s title gonna be golden heretic

[fathom girder]

Doze I kinda. finished the mage run already and am on a new melee build

I'll do the stratus stuff this run tho

[dull heart]

peak

[amber egret]

i feel like most of the dev team when it came to sso were kinda just working on it outta obligation instead of I Wanna Make The Thing

[dull heart]

have fun with gilded proboscis

[amber egret]

they needed a Brain Break Methinks
A. Brain Storm Even

[fathom girder]

I think I will enjoy that yeah

[dull heart]

sso was already the "planned update" before half of the active dev team even became devs

[rich ginkgo]

this is why we should get straight to the fun stuff!! distortion 2027

[pale silo]

End of the day a majority is volunteer work (with bounties on more important work). Why work on stuff that you don't enjoy doing unless it's absolutely necessary

[pale silo]

Oh I'd love that tbh~ but that's probably a stretch cause dimensions likely will cause issues...a lot of em.

[rich ginkgo]

subworld library is here to save the day

[pale silo]

That's only an assistant

[mild atlas]

is this worm part of new update??
never seen it before and dunno if hostile

[tribal isle]

Yea right
So we have to flesh out that so we can do yharim without problems in like 2035

[pale silo]

And it's very buggy with mp. Which cal tries to be MP friendly

Try and load that sand boss on inf in MP, or the wotg stuff

[rich ginkgo]

yharim update already has it’s own distortion packed inside of it lmfao forget everything else in there

[pale silo]

You'll see what happens

[fathom girder]

This run is gonna be so fun it's gonna use all the cool accessories that I had to pass up cuz of the mage setup

[mild atlas]

i hit it and it ran off???

[rich ginkgo]

well didnt 1.4.5 try to fix a lot of mp issues? after the port maybe subworld library will become a lot better

[tribal isle]

Weren’t they gonna make their own subworld system

[pale silo]

Maybe but idk what the code looks like

[rich ginkgo]

no clue

[pale silo]

I just know there is a lot of issues. Shall have to wait and see what cross play work is done

But that'll probably take ages

[tribal isle]

Kill it so it drops it friendly self which mines ore for you

[tribal isle]

If crossplay ever drops it’s gonna be update 1.5

[pale silo]

That's... actually very true.

[chrome totem]

Are the new accessory reforges better than warding?

[pale silo]

Depends.

Warding is best if you get hit every 8 seconds, vig is best if you are damaged for longer than 30 seconds per fight, and dauntless is best if you tend to die from max hp

Id personally just mix and match to what suits you

[mild atlas]

i tried to hit it and it just ran away

[chrome totem]

Kinda just reforging everything I got to fight SCal cuz of the phase transitions

I was gonna just make everything warding but then I remembered there's new reforges now

[pale silo]

If you're struggling on BH, it's likely dauntless being best

Especially if you have regen candle

[gray carbon]

id say something like "id have children before 1.5 comes out" but i keep misremembering the actual time gap between 1.3.5 and 1.4

[chrome totem]

I'm just tryna make sure I have the best I can because I doing a daggers only run and my best weapon is just Seraphim

[steep shuttle]

Fellas, was revengeace changed?

[hazy yoke]

I'm currently trying to farm for old lord claymore and even with a blood moon, a battle potion, and a water candle it feels like nothing is spawning, is there anything else that ups spawn rates

[knotty violet]

yes!

[chrome totem]

Changed as in boss fights?

[steep shuttle]

It isn't dropping Master mode boss drops

[chrome totem]

I've been getting relics and other stuff just fine

[mellow spade]

leviathan teeth seem really strong
considering, aureus is pretty tanky

(unoptimized)

[knotty violet]

my group is getting stuff fine

[chrome totem]

From a close range burst weapon to absolute lingering crowd control

[pale silo]

Well rev is in expert. But the statues still drop afaia

[chrome totem]

I was using it up to Providence, ngl

[pale silo]

As the statue things are master or revengence

[mellow spade]

it really is so good for crowd control

[steep shuttle]

I activate revengeace but no drops

Let me restart

[pale silo]

Is it still on?

[steep shuttle]

Ye

[pale silo]

Weird

[knotty violet]

expert world?

[steep shuttle]

yea

tested with master world too

still disables

[pale silo]

The world type doesn't matter

Not anymore

[steep shuttle]

is images allowed in this chat?

[tribal isle]

Atleast you can safely say that about yharim

[pale silo]

Yups ofc

[steep shuttle]

just making sure, also active

it enables it on Death mode

[pale silo]

Hmm @dull heart were the relics changed to master only? Or bugged that rev ain't dropping it (sorry if I keep resorting to pinging you, you're the most active one I see around)

[dull heart]

they should be dropping in rev

odd

[sleek jetty]

is it normal for the wulfrum bobber to not use bait?

[dull heart]

... no, it should be using bait

if it doesn't that's an oopsie

[pale silo]

A few more bugs to note it seems!

[steep shuttle]

it could be a mod i'm using

[dull heart]

what boss is this

[steep shuttle]

great thunder bird from thorium... oooh

[pale silo]

Oh yeah that'd be why

[dull heart]

it's because it's a thorium boss

yeah

[sleek jetty]

ye ive been using it with navy fishing rod + nightcrawlers + enchanted pearl and its not consuming any bait

[pale silo]

Thorium bosses sees rev as only expert

[steep shuttle]

nvm

[dull heart]

oopsies

[pale silo]

Can you kill KS jic it's just boss checklist being weird

[dull heart]

eah

yeah

[pale silo]

Should be relatively easy

[dull heart]

boss checklist just doesn't know it works on rev

[hazy yoke]

I'm getting this weird glitch where a bunch of particles such as spectre boots' boost are invisible, does anyone know why this is happening

[pale silo]

Optimisation mods?

[steep shuttle]

will fight a boss again, see if it works

[pale silo]

Nitrate, carbon, etc

[hazy yoke]

I don't have those

[pale silo]

Can ya double press f8 just to be sure

[steep shuttle]

actually, how fun is Death mode? i already beat rev once as summoner and now i'm playing as Ranger

[pale silo]

Imo pretty fun

[brittle escarp]

Has anyone else seen the perforator spawner slide away from them when it gets hit? Its very funny but I assume not intentional

[pale silo]

Wind blade?

[brittle escarp]

Nah, just with any weapon with knockback

[pale silo]

Okay that's weird

[hazy yoke]

yeah I don't have any of them

[pale silo]

Unless you've somehow reached projectile cap that shouldn't be happening..weird

(well the dust cap? I forget how that works)

Could also be minimal settings ig

[chrome totem]

Turns out I was mad chilling

Honestly with how insane DoG was, the moment I saw SCal had some visual changes I thought I was bout to struggle

Turns out I didn't even need to use Nanomachines once

[azure flame]

doing a revengance playthru as summoner then gonna do true melee or mage, since mage seem to get some changes

[fierce hearth]

I wonder what the plan for roller skates is for balancing, since they're hilariously powerful as a replacement for boot accessories without using an accessory slot

[trail echo]

is deathmode now harder than expert death mode because it forces you to do it in master mode?

[fierce hearth]

As far as I have played and heard from others, no

[trail echo]

im guessing they adjusted some stats

[fierce hearth]

The damage numbers have been reeled back and the boss ai is more sensible

[trail echo]

okay gotchu imma stick with death mode then

[fathom girder]

Time to farm for those 2% swords

[clear pine]

made a small cave thing using the new block pallet added in the update idk what else to put in it tho

looks like some kinda transition between the timeless shores and desert i guess

[rustic fulcrum]

looks sick

could be a spot for a mining/research crew style of build

[clear pine]

ima just experiment with the new block pallet theyve given us to make a rip off updated sunken sea

[frosty marten]

Reminds me of the shrine where you find Luxor's

[clear pine]

also more update related but are alot of the blocks that the patchnotes said they added just not here? like superheated obsidian isnt here

[dusk bronze]

what the fuck is that

[steep shuttle]

what are the cv

[clear pine]

i read patchnotes well atleast most of it and alot of blocks on list i cant find

[steep shuttle]

chances of calamity getting achiev?

[pure briar]

i miss my spiky balls 💔

[dusk bronze]

"superheated obsidian" has 0 search results in #changelogs

[clear pine]

one sec

is some of the stuff put here just made up? just not sure if half this stuff even exists or is like ambient objects

[glass wigeon]

minor spelling mistake

[dusk bronze]

what da fuk

[glass wigeon]

i think superheated obsidian is found in the abyss?
background blocks

[dusk bronze]

yeah that's not in the game

[dusk bronze]

0 search results in dragonlens item browser

[clear pine]

ye thought so its so sad to see wiki.gg has been infected with fandom misinformation or something

cause loads of the stuff there just doesnt show up on dragonlens

[dusk bronze]

that page is written by a dev

[clear pine]

theyve revealed too much

[fierce nebula]

thank you jeff bazos

[open garden]

my guess is it might be the name of some stuff in the code and they forgot to change it to an updated name

[fierce nebula]

jeff bazos can I have money

[clear pine]

ye id imagine its just unimplemented

[urban cloak]

sunken sea block that didn't have an item implemented so its unobatianble in normal gameplay

[clear pine]

ur thinking of jeff bezos hes completely different

[urban cloak]

you can use an external mod to spawn in the tile manually thats about it

[fierce nebula]

are you his evil clone

or his good clone maybe

[glass wigeon]

an evil clone of bezos would be good

[weak heart]

best melee weapon for moonlord?

[clear pine]

but hes already evil so good clone

yes im very evil i give good pay to workers and stuff

[fierce nebula]

yeah you're not jeff bezos

[stuck kite]

superheated obsidian is in the mod source as a tile it is however definitely unobtainable and need to be moved over

[glass wigeon]

can i have it

[amber fern]

Genuinely think i may just swap to a full blown rogue build at this point. not doing nearly enough damage for bosses 💀

[fierce nebula]

rouge

[stuck kite]

only way you can place it right now is if you edit the tile id of any placeable object to force it to place a superheated obsidian

[fierce nebula]

no superheated obsidian... 0/10 update

[glass wigeon]

cheat sheet tile placing too

[clear pine]

i was gonna try just making a fake rip off of the timeless shores but idk if its rlly worth doing with the limited blocks rn

rn block combo is the runestone and arid stuff

[ivory lark]

some sso stuff was left in and may be obtainable in a future update

[clear pine]

YAYYYY more blocks for me

seeing the stohne appear in the update has been the best thing all month

stohne is so peak

[dusk bronze]

unfortunately it doesn't naturally generate for some reason

[glass wigeon]

i cant see

[tropic jolt]

light

[vagrant lynx]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glass wigeon]

is this to prevent me from getting too far in the abyss, pre boss stage where its needed?

[hasty tangle]

it was a pre boss item that let you carve through the world faster than the dcu

[dusk bronze]

you don't need anything from the abyss preboss

[glass wigeon]

i have shine, night owl, and baby ghost bell

[clear pine]

ik some ppl disagree but im rlly liking the direction calamity is going i always got bored with post ml content and spent most my time in pre HM and pre-golem for the exploration stuff

[dusk bronze]

[glass wigeon]

i didnt mean like actually pre boss but, like exploring it out of progression (i.e before cal clone i think..?)

[hidden belfry]

They should add 5 more Work bosses next update

[dusk bronze]

it's post skeletron

[clear pine]

dont rlly enjoy the boss rush and liking the removal of qol holding my hand entire time

[tropic jolt]

yeah I think the new direction is much healthier, people who like to boss rush can download any qol mods they want to make up for it

[hushed tulip]

WHY is my boc despawning

[clear pine]

ive always perfered the exploration side of the game over the post ml grind

[glass wigeon]

luckily i can still fumble in the dark for loot

[clear pine]

i remember reading while looking for blocks some of the void torches 'pierce thru the darkness' or something like that

[glass wigeon]

i agree
I love terraria for its gameplay, not just for bosses
and constantly hearing people using calamity as an example of "the boss rush mod" gave me a distain for calamity for a bit (or just those people) cause theres so much more to it than JUST the bosses. like the lore things.. i like lore

[clear pine]

peak opinion ngl, loved doing abyss content and found the NEW LORE very enjoyable especially the post boss lore drops

[hidden belfry]

After exo/SCal i just move on to the next playthrough, no reason to do a boss rush cuz it's kind of boring

[glass wigeon]

i try boss rush for like, i think 3 attempts if im really feeling like it, but then i just move onto the next playthrough afterwards

[glass wigeon]

i have an entire notes folder full of calamity lore, partially to preserve old versions and mainly cause its a good read

[mild atlas]

i am abit confused so is this rework for Wulfrum Knife good or bad, did notice it is 1 item and not a consumable which i see as a buff personally
dunno about the rest

[vocal dew]

-# demn my dumbass didn't knew prismatic rainbow shifted to post ml...

[glass wigeon]

its a good buff
basically removes the hassel of running out mid battle, and also you can keep your stealth strikes

[clear pine]

also something i wanna ask cause i dont rlly bother with the fandom why do ppl hate on weapons removal?

[mild atlas]

whats the point of the knife sticking onto enemeis?

[distant raft]

there's no real reason, they only care when its a very strong weapon that gets removed even if it was genuinely just a minishark reskin

[glass wigeon]

stronger stealth strikes

[distant raft]

like you didn't see anyone complaining about sticky spiky ball's removal

[clear pine]

too pull them back for quicker on demand stealth i think

[patent peak]

hey guys just wanted to know if the wiki for calamity got updated yet

[clear pine]

i thought it was a good thing bc of the weapon bloat in game

[gloomy grove]

it is actively being updated

give it a week or two

[patent peak]

oh ok alr

[misty wren]

its working on it, some stuff might be out of date, if you find something wrong that you dont know how to fix you can shoot a message in #wiki-discussion, if you find something you do know how to fix (and have an account on wiki.gg) you can also do that

[mild atlas]

this also a new weapon?
dont think i ever seen it before
if not new then sorry

[strong isle]

Yes

[clear pine]

heres some info u wont find on the wiki, if u wanna mine the basalt from upcoming basalt biome u need a pickaxe from tier 1 hardmode ore

atleast i dont think its there

[misty wren]

yeah i said it earlier, nobody cared about any of these weapons, the only removal thats actually noticeable here is iri excal and thats solely because its endgame

[clear pine]

only thing i miss tbh is the plague keeper

[granite sapphire]

Great update, ill do ranged tmrw

[clear pine]

all the others felt like unused bloat

[misty wren]

nobody is going to be complaining about nychthemeron removal because nobody remembered it existed

[granite sapphire]

iridescent was removed cuz fabsol

[mild atlas]

playing around i like this weapon so far
dunno how stealth strikes work to do the special thing tho

[granite sapphire]

But the oathsword line is definitely the best new melee weapon rework in the update

[distant raft]

poison pack was probably the most impactful since it was an easy to get very strong earlygame weapon but its also a retextured spiky ball so nothing of value was lost

[misty wren]

very strong earlygame weapon that nobody used because its a fucking spiky ball craft and nobody remembers spiky ball crafts

[granite sapphire]

every change i had i was using the upgrade, beat scal with it and goozma since i used violence for the exos

[clear pine]

i hope they do more of this weapon removal stuff cause quality better than quanity and stuff like bouncy spike ball never needed to exist

[vestal osprey]

Okay this update sucks now

Diamond of the deep got reworked to give + 60% watwr debuff damage...

Wtf 60%?! What kind of psychopath number is that?

[fathom girder]

hehehehehe

[granite sapphire]

lazhar and asteroid staff...

[fast wren]

Guys are we on 2.1 for the newest steam version?

[misty wren]

yes

[arctic cliff]

theres like 3 water debuffs in the entire game

[fast wren]

Ok cool. Think I can play revengence mode with steam link or do I have to use computer

[frank wadi]

so if you go afk the scions curio will just spit random lore trivia at you LMAO

[misty wren]

lazhar hasnt been relevant since it lost its pierce and asteroid staff was only really relevant on gfb for tierskipping lunar armor

[clear pine]

i didnt even know lazhar existed until removal

[arctic cliff]

WAIT, FUCK

[fast wren]

Steam link is an app that lets you stream from your computer with steam on it to a mobile device. Terraria is supported i think

[vestal osprey]

Im asking why is it 60% instead of a far more even 50% that a sane person would use

[arctic cliff]

goddammit, not my gfb skip

[granite sapphire]

i really liked it for mage moonlord, though i still have nanopurge 😄

[glass wigeon]

what was his new revengance rework? (did he have one?)

[fast wren]

Golfball?

[arctic cliff]

get over it

[misty wren]

50 is too weak 75 is too strong so 60 it gets or something

[clear pine]

4 now right? hadal pressure or something

[uncut briar]

be nice

[arctic cliff]

ah, right yeah

[granite sapphire]

also the amalgam and amalg brain is super strong now

[misty wren]

didnt get one, only brain of cthulhu and dog got actual reworks this update

[glass wigeon]

eye of cthululu too, i think

[granite sapphire]

i noticed the post dog gear had the most significant changes though

[misty wren]

nope eye didnt get any rework

[sweet stump]

wasnt it always strong

[granite sapphire]

its super strong instead of very strong

[clear pine]

im prob not gonna bother doing another playthrough until SSO but i did do DOG reworked and loved it

[glass wigeon]

oh so ig when i fought him recently that was the only time i paid attention to its attack patterns

[sweet stump]

brain of confusion line is genuinely on a generational run

[granite sapphire]

No more 2 mph lasers and now we have deathrays of total annihilation

[mild atlas]

~70ish DPS not bad imo for a early game weapon

[granite sapphire]

worm scarf crying in a corner:

[frosty marten]

the god slayer armor dash is now useful as it follows your mouse and gives you total invulnerability

[clear pine]

felt alot like infernum but without horrible suffering

[sweet stump]

it had its time in 1.3

[granite sapphire]

inf dog is ramslop, too easy, this dog i died to 15 TIMES before winning

[frank wadi]

lmao

[mild atlas]

what?

[granite sapphire]

first time i didnt 1st try dog since forever

[sweet stump]

😭

[clear pine]

feel like current dog is better than what big dog could have been

[deft lily]

whar

[heavy light]

what the text said

[granite sapphire]

i think the resprite is still in the works, they might change it

[sweet stump]

big dog is reserved for people who use imax theaters as their monitor screens

[frank wadi]

accessory in question that said the insult LMAO

[frosty marten]

YOU'RE CRINGE

[clear pine]

ye little resprite / touch up would be nice and im guessing they are after seeing all the other stuff getting a resprite

[granite sapphire]

Calamity devs milking dog for the 2348543278589754634th time:

[misty wren]

scions curio can no longer say fuck

[granite sapphire]

im not complaining though

[sweet stump]

and yharon still looks like chicken nugget

[clear pine]

i hope they keep the design pretty similar to current and dont spend too much time on him tho

[granite sapphire]

dont forget the piss filter

[hasty tangle]

dog has not gotten any meaningful changes in several years

[heavy light]

its bc they dont want to get rid of the chicken nugget drops trust

[ocean juniper]

unironically cooler than infernum dog

[granite sapphire]

100%

infernum dog is just hyperaggressive ramslop

[ocean juniper]

maybe not quiiite as fun but way cooler

[frank wadi]

curio is dropping some cool old duke lore

[frosty marten]

infernum dog has like 4 attacks and 3 are ram spaming

[granite sapphire]

i think its more fun, it doesnt devour my fps

[heavy light]

devour, get it?

[granite sapphire]

speaking of, the optimization in this update is divine, i didnt have a choppy boss until astrum deus and thanatos

[clear pine]

anyone remember that old concept art with the auric faceplate? ik that was scrapped but i feel like just bringing that auric little bit would make sprite so much nicer than purple worm

[granite sapphire]

for the armor phase we should have to break the faceplate to deal damage like the boc shield

[ocean juniper]

ok but consider the rams are so fun to time

[clear pine]

having that as like the indicator for phase change would be so cinematic

[frosty marten]

valid point

[granite sapphire]

i mean yeah but theyre easy to time, this dog is so fast timing rams is actually difficult

[heavy light]

what yall think of the quick ram attacks on phase 2 of new dog

[ocean juniper]

and every slight movement inconsistency changes how you react

[granite sapphire]

absurd in an amazing way

[ocean juniper]

scary and awesome

[heavy light]

i fw it and imo its easier than infernum dog fast ram attacks

[granite sapphire]

the mandibles are on my screen for less than a second

[cerulean marsh]

What kind of mole is this? And what should I do with it?

[granite sapphire]

my attempts say otherwise

[heavy light]

my attempts say otherwise than yours say otherwise to what i said

[granite sapphire]

inf dog is always 1-3 attempts, this rework was 15

[ocean juniper]

i think the perfect dog fight is infernum rams and base cal everything else

[granite sapphire]

inf dog is a pushover bitch baby

[heavy light]

i suck at infernum dog and yharon im still stuck on yharon

[ocean juniper]

first tried cus its not hard its cool

[granite sapphire]

its cause yharon is shit, his ramslop is worse than dog's and comparable to old duke

anyways ima go my back hurts

[obtuse hawk]

just defeated brain of cthulhu and HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT WAS FUN

[heavy light]

yeah and with the delayed attack bullshit its so annoying and so is 2nd phase quick rams

[frosty marten]

inf yharon it's actually a duke resprite

what if duke but fire

[heavy light]

first phase is easy and i get that thats the point of it but like still fuck phase 2 and the difficulty ramp up it has

[fast wren]

Guys I saw a critter wiki says it’s called a Shroomble but diddnt give any info. Whats it do?

[fading lagoon]

kill me (prehardmode)

[distant raft]

gets crucified

[fast wren]

It despawned before I checked it out.

[clear pine]

does critter stuff, just there for ambient

[distant raft]

real sprite used ingame trust

[fast wren]

Rare?

[obtuse hawk]

probably my most favorite boss fight so far

[heavy light]

anyone know if you can disable things from being in certain npcs shops bc i have some that have too many items for the shop limit and im tryna see the items

[clear pine]

not that rare but looks nice

[obtuse hawk]

rev+ boc is awesome bruh

[fast wren]

Why did they crucify a burger

[obtuse hawk]

had no honey mustard

[hasty tangle]

beef boss died for our sins

[distant raft]

its a shroomble wearing the crown of thorns

[blazing field]

It walks around and looks cute

you can turn it into soup

[sweet stump]

jesus christ

[clear pine]

ik theres a mod that lets npcs have extra storage idk what it was called tho

[distant raft]

i do wish i got the other shroomble in that image too

[clear pine]

like page 1, page 2 kinda stuff

[heavy light]

probably something easy ill try to find it rq

[distant raft]

for context just to the left theres a shroomble with 👀 looking directly at the martyr

[heavy light]

its called shop expander

[fast wren]

Were the sins loseing at Wii party

Is glass renewable? What about stone?

If only we could shimmer arrows man that’d make a lot of stuff easily produce able

Oh well!

[hasty tangle]

both of those should be

[ocean juniper]

Smh nothing compared to the worst prism

[clear pine]

stone and sand are repoducable

[dawn musk]

Damn they rlly nerfed oath blade 😭 🙏 🙏

[clear pine]

sand from antilions and stone from stone golems

[silver shuttle]

So uh

I’m in a prehardmode world and I have aquired a nullification pistol

Which is a post golem ranged weapon

[fast wren]

Cool! I also just remembered the merchant can sell furnaces I think

[unique warren]

Yo wtaf is up with gilded proboscis

[clear pine]

nah calamity made it pre boss trust

[ocean juniper]

also who remade the old reaper

[silver shuttle]

Truly a wonderous balance change

The eye of cthulu isn’t ready for what I have in store for it

[fast wren]

Is every weapon visible in calamity or no

[dull heart]

probably a mod conflict

[dull heart]

do you mean viable?

if so... no, but most are

[fast wren]

(To clarify, for the stage of the game it’s unlocked inj

[dull heart]

i think every Calamity added weapon is viable

[fast wren]

Oh. Blowgun still bad?

[dull heart]

except maybe Monolith Sword

[ocean juniper]

yes but some are worde than others

[flint geyser]

Old Lord Claymore now kills critters while using Guide to Critter Companionship

[fast wren]

Wait is blowgun bad or good for like.. I dunno, eye.

[ocean juniper]

BLOWGUN

[unique warren]

How does one use gilded proboscis in any way that is remotely useful

[halcyon seal]

phaseslayer got buffed?

[dull heart]

it gets a 2:40 yharon

[ocean juniper]

funny spear go bing

[clear pine]

i mean like the ones that usually arent viable are pretty obiviously not gonna be good cause they stuff like bouncy spike balls

[astral vapor]

perforator cyst sliiiiiiiiiides when you smacka it with swords. idk if its a bug but it's funny

[clear pine]

so dw abt weapons not being good all that much

[fast wren]

I meant blowpipe is blowpipe ok for eoc

[mint arch]

why does the brain of cthulu disappear as soon as it dies?

[unique warren]

Spear and it's has 10 tile range 🥀

[silver shuttle]

I don’t know what could cause that really

Maybe fargo’s mutant mod

[ocean juniper]

10 is one of the largest numbers you’ll be fine

[fast wren]

I’m gonna be melee but not until I get my hands on some good non pure melee weapons. I’ll be doing my first ever playthrough of calamity and I’m playing on revengence

Is this a good idea? I’ve beaten vanilla journey mode as a summoner and that’s it

[unique warren]

Gungnir has twice the range

[fast wren]

Touhou moment

[halcyon seal]

yes, revengeance is the intended difficulty

[fast wren]

Will it be too mush of a step up

[clear pine]

how many of u guys actually go for the hard to get weapons in a normal playthrough?

[silver shuttle]

Depends on the weapon really

[fast wren]

I’m going from journey to revengence… hmmmmmm….

[clear pine]

like ik that new guitar summon uses the axe in its crafting and immediately got put of from it

[silver shuttle]

Like I’m never getting a flinx staff or the blood moon summons because of how they’re obtained

[frosty marten]

photoviscerator is still mid af 💔

[tulip bluff]

why arent there any ancient treasure chests in the new update?

[ocean juniper]

Just nuke the plant you’ll get it eventually

[fast wren]

Why not just start a journey mode character and play on the difficulty you want?

[silver shuttle]

Huh?

[fast wren]

Journey mode characters start with a finch staff.

[teal bone]

update qol restored if you have it enabled

[silver shuttle]

I said flinx staff not finch

Finch is just luck of the draw really

[fast wren]

Ah. I see. Well if you don’t wanna do spawnrate up power that’s fair

[ocean juniper]

guy who only plays on journey:

[fast wren]

I’m bad ok

I need my research to help me have fun playing the game because I play games for fun

[unique warren]

Ok so seriously uh what's the thought process with how they're currently designing true melee

[fast wren]

One of my favorite vanila weapons is true melee. I bet you can’t guess what it is!

[ocean juniper]

Weapon go shiiing and its fun and powerful

[brittle mountain]

That’s fine, the grind in terraria can be insanely tedious so just play how you want to play

[spare shard]

is mystic robe worth it for mage?

[unique warren]

I love having post-ML weapons with less range than vanilla hardmode weapons

[ocean juniper]

and they do like 2x the damage

[astral vapor]

• melee
• wants range

[silver shuttle]

If the item is more out of the way than them

I’m probably not getting it, otherwise I will

[unique warren]

This bait is so mid...

[unique warren]

That's not really good game design but go off

[silver shuttle]

I mean thats how true melee is supposed to function

You’re trading range for dps

[covert junco]

Does anyone know when the sunken sea update was going to happen?

[fast wren]

My favorite true melee weapon in vanilla is the umbrella because it massively buffs my ability to clear vertical distances, especially in space. Works well with extra jumps and wings.

How valid is my opinion

[ocean juniper]

hi! i do a lot of game design!

high risk high rewards is like THE best game design gimmick ever

[silver shuttle]

True melee with high range would defeat the purpose of true melee

[ruby wedge]

How can I update the calamity mod? I’ve checked my main world and none of the items or weapons have been updated and I’ve tried checking the mod on tmod as well.

[mild atlas]

did Brainstorm update move where big hive spawns?

[unique warren]

"High range" and it's just 20 tiles

[clear pine]

we love weapons that can also used as utilities later on

[frosty marten]

phosphorescent gauntlet slaps hard af

[unique warren]

And if anyone says this is "too much", gungnir

[clear pine]

yep its random now

[astral vapor]

if anything, honestly, i think melee should be focused more around getting and staying up close to the boss. a lot of bosses end up being a chase to hunt them down, and I'd prefer something like an ultrakill whiplash to help close the distance, or boots of some kind that let you be in enemy's faces without taking stupid amounts of contact damage.

[mild atlas]

[clear pine]

big hexagon thats abt as hard to miss as temple

[brittle mountain]

Why 💔

[unique warren]

Sure, but it also shouldn't necessitate face tanking and being within 10 tiles of a boss post-ml

[frosty marten]

ram dashing while tearing apart the boss from inside with 290% melee attack speed

[clear pine]

im hoping they change their mind cause tree feels useless now

[ocean juniper]

yeah who out of atlanta is using gungnir tho LOL

its the gimmick of that specific weapon and it’s what makes it unique. if every spear was absolutely massive then it gets boring

[fast wren]

Yeah umbrella can pull its weight for maybe the entire playthrough? Until you get INFINITE FLIGHT it can be that last push to let you hook onto where you’re trying to go. Also, bonus points because your character holds it above themselves at all times when it’s in the active slot, so it can be used cosmetically unlike most other items.

[fast wren]

Not entire but for a while def

[ocean juniper]

you’re playing whimsical terraria and i’m in love

[brittle mountain]

I don’t even have an inkling of an idea why they changed it tbh

[clear pine]

id say it pulls weight until HM where u get wings

[clear pine]

i feel like update added way too many things ppl didnt ask for this feels like the EVIL UPDATE so they can put more nice stuff in SSO

[ocean juniper]

I perma use featherfall

[unique warren]

Adamantite spear has 15 tile range. This is not a gungnir specific thing, and Gungnir is actually a really great weapon

[brittle mountain]

I mean I feel like it’s majorly outclassed by featherfall since featherfall doesn’t require you to swap to it whenever you want to use it

[fast wren]

Umbrella in space is fun.

[ocean juniper]

Hard disagree unless elaborated on well

[clear pine]

umbrella crafting tree when?

[astral vapor]

yeah ! i love trading blows with DoG like a parry dance, just for early game bosses like EOW or perforators or something, i wish i could be in bosses faces more, ride eye of cthulhu and drive my sword into its eyemouthface

[fast wren]

New upgrade for phone that adds slow fall and blocks fall damage with umbrella

[clear pine]

ik loads of ppl feel like the content removed was unneeded but idk i like update

[strong isle]

Ram dashing is so fun

[unique warren]

True excalibur has a 15 tile range that it takes post-ML true melee weapons until post-DoG to compete with

[ocean juniper]

Such as

[clear pine]

atleast most of it

[strong isle]

I'm ngl
And it's probably noticeable

[ocean juniper]

define unneeded because technically terraria itself is unneeded and all you need is water and food n shit

[strong isle]

While recording the trailer, I was dead set on dash bashing OD as much as possible

[clear pine]

those annoying ppl who complain abt the update making them farm enemies for like 5 minutes instead of QoL doing it

[astral vapor]

yesssssssss

[ocean juniper]

ram dashing is like top 5 calamity things

[clear pine]

like didnt wizard get his discord rod taken away?

[fast wren]

Guys, this might be stupid but are there any aurmor sets that benifit melee AND summoner?

[hot wadi]

Shame that you guys are planning to nerf the rams to decentralize accessory usage

[gloomy grove]

nerf??

[ocean juniper]

wait i was misreading and realized we agree LMAO oops

[fast wren]

I wanna use melee so I can take hits fine, but minions are objectively cool as hell

[glass wigeon]

this guy appeared out of nowhere and i thought it was a mini boss

[hot wadi]

(or was it buff a lot of the others?)

[strong isle]

Weren't they already nerfed? That's what I heard would happen but I didn't particularly feel the change

[urban cloak]

nah he's just a lil guy

[glass wigeon]

i think OOA armor? monk set

[clear pine]

still gotta kill him tho ): (atleast if u want him in pet form)

[fast wren]

When this at

[urban cloak]

he eternally follows his directive of mining like a good little robot

[frosty marten]

another one lost to ignorance 😢

[glass wigeon]

hardmode i think

[fast wren]

Oh wait old ones army uhh… what’s it give? How many minion slots?

Is it still none

[clear pine]

DEVS, let us get burrower pet passively and my life is urs

[glass wigeon]

it jumped out at me all of a sudden what was i supposed to think

[fast wren]

If so I guess I can make due with the 3 I can get without summoner dedication

[hot wadi]

...I think we're willing to take this over heavily guarded resource facilities that Draedon would like to make

[clear pine]

hes too innocent for this world

[fast wren]

Wait issnt there like, class xp or somthing

[brittle mountain]

Devs re-add QoL and my life will be yours 🙏

[fast wren]

Like you can level up to get more summon slots right?

[gloomy grove]

glad they wont do that ❤️

[fast wren]

Or is that a mod

[clear pine]

i swear one of the first mods that came out for the update was that lol

[ocean juniper]

I have awesome news (official qol mod)

[silver shuttle]

Thats a mod

[brittle mountain]

Why?

[gloomy grove]

dont know where you got that idea from

[fast wren]

Devs add umbrella to a accessory crafting tree and I will say “thank you guys very much, this makes me happy”

[brittle mountain]

I’m running under the assumption that it won’t be continuously updated since that would likely take up dev time to do.

[heavy raft]

oathblade and old lord claymore are deadass insane when u use them together wtf is this upd

[hot wadi]

Temporal Umbrella:

[clear pine]

small gap in progression tho

[fast wren]

Issnt that a weapon

[hot wadi]

Yes

[clear pine]

ever so slight gap

[fast wren]

I heard of it while looking up cool summon weapons

[ocean juniper]

Why would you make this assumption

[hot wadi]

Why would you want a gliding accessory/umbrella upgrade

[fast wren]

Guys when can I unlock art attack? I saw it and omg paper mario

[frosty marten]

damn, i was reading that

[gloomy grove]

whenever youre able to craft it?

[hot wadi]

I think this is in HM?
Also a mage weapon

[fast wren]

Because umbrella is cool and fun to use

[ocean juniper]

This guy is so whimsical and needs to be protected at all costs

[gloomy grove]

joy and whimsy

[brittle mountain]

It feels a lot like a “oh a lot of people are complaining about QoL being removed so We’ll just give them this and then forget about it”

[ocean juniper]

I have awesome news
It’s called featherfall potions

[clear pine]

i wanna be able to do a big jump using my umbrella so i can gain more air time

[gloomy grove]

i dont see what point youre making here

[hot wadi]

I haven't played mage but I remember it needing Calclone drops

[fast wren]

Ehhh featherfall can get annoying. But with umbrella I can use it whenever!

[ocean juniper]

Shut the fuck up man im sorry but people like you are why dm dokuro left

[clear pine]

and glide around without wings

[wide wadi]

Master death mode perferators are dookie

Beat them first try

[hot wadi]

That's called having a parachute

[brittle mountain]

Dawg what, I’m saying that it feels like a bandage fix to a bigger issue

[gloomy grove]

what is

[silver shuttle]

The qol changes will forever be confusing to me but whatever I’ll just install the mod that re’adds it

[frosty marten]

I'M MARY POPPINS Y'ALL 🗣️

[ocean juniper]

“Issue”
looks inside
Fair game design

[clear pine]

FR, ive seen so many people hate on devs and those are also the ppl who will still talk abt how its all our faults he left cause we were mean

[fast wren]

That dosent mean I can’t try it. If I’m out of range for my melee weapons, might as well pack a ranged or magic weapon to use as backup.

Especialy in prehardmode, when that’ll happen a lot

[gloomy grove]

not only that, why is it a content mod's job to provide qol, this is the only community ive seen that takes issue with that

[ocean juniper]

EXACTLY

[gloomy grove]

i have never seen a community so adamant on accidentally recreating another frackin universe

[fast wren]

Wand of sparking plus blade of grass should suffice for eye of cthulhu right? I’ll proboly bring any minion I can as backup. Preferably one that does a non on fire debuff

[silver shuttle]

People aren’t angry because a mod doesn’t have qol

They’re mad because it actively removed qol it already had

[hot wadi]

You'd be surprised at how your swords will work later in Hardmode.
I don't think we have to look that far yet, what is your current melee weapon?

[brittle mountain]

Eh? I’m not really understanding how that’s fair game design, it hasn’t really been a problem for years and most people were enjoying the fact it existed, it just seems like a needless thing to remove

[deep bough]

intentionally*

[gloomy grove]

because its not the mod's job

[ocean juniper]

Explain why you’re mad that 3 or 4 qol things got rebalanced other than “oh it’s just bad game design” YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT GAME DESIGN IS

[fast wren]

I’m gonna start playing rn. I’m talking to get ideas on what I should do first

[brittle mountain]

Agreed, like if it didn’t have the QoL to begin with I doubt anyone would ask that much about it

[silver shuttle]

Yes but people don’t like seeing what on the surface looks like devs intentionally making their mod worse

[brittle mountain]

A lot more things than 3 got redesigned?

[ocean juniper]

they literally have a mod that readds everything what more do you want 😭😭😭

[hot wadi]

Oh I see
Check #help-advice-read-pins often and we'll compare your gear to what is recommended from time to time
Very useful when you're stuck/confused

[fast wren]

Ok

[strong isle]

[gloomy grove]

to some people i see why they would view it that way but to treat it as an objectively bad/questionable decision is too silly

[brittle mountain]

Again, there’s no guarantee that mod will be updated with calamity and once it stops working the same problem will arise again

[gloomy grove]

you are free to dislike changes theyve made but to treat it like some abhorrent objectively bad decision like??

[silver shuttle]

Its not like the mods unplayable now but I also still don’t like it

[ocean juniper]

how the ever loving fuck could you know this

[gloomy grove]

yeah thats fine, you are free to not like it

[silver shuttle]

I’d rather install as little mods as possible really

[brittle mountain]

Why would they dedicate mod time to maintaining a mod for one singular update of calamity

[strong isle]

Agreed tbh
I wish we hadn't added that QoL, but unfortunately, it was both before my time and nonetheless outside of the reach of the devs

[deep bough]

as many as possible is the way to go

[ocean juniper]

because they made the mod??????????

[strong isle]

It's not for a single update

It's probably gonna be maintained as a "here's your QoL" mod

[brittle mountain]

Oh that’s fine then

[strong isle]

I can ask the dev in question to be sure

[ashen pivot]

i don't know if other people have noticed this but when somebody else in your world uses a gravitation potion while you have the "disable gravity screen flip" setting on your screen starts flashing upside down, effect is worsened when the gravitation potion is spam-used

[urban cloak]

yeah

[clear pine]

ye dont rlly like having QoL do everything for me so i can do the 'super fun boss rush' non stop

[ocean juniper]

im sorry if im being an ass but the collective community harrassment for a team doing a passion project is sending me

[gloomy grove]

never seen this anywhere else which is what i think makes me so frustrated

[brittle mountain]

It’s just that as it was it did really feel like a temporary bandage instead of something that we would be able to use past just this update

[deep bough]

its truly a calamity

[deft lily]

most folks who ive seen that actually like terraria being a boss rush aren't exactly the most rational to interact with and be around

[urban cloak]

for years the mod has been a hodgepodge of vanilla changes and tweaks that made gamplay much faster and more boss fight/difficulty centric cause that's what the mod was trying to be back then and the community got used to it

[gloomy grove]

this too ^^

[deft lily]

but thats just me.

[heavy light]

did dark sun ring get a defense nerf during night? im pretty sure it was 20 and then 10 during an eclipse now its 8 and 16

[ocean juniper]

Temporary bandage

define
define what the issue with removing some qol is

[hot wadi]

They have set the bar higher than expected

[lean relic]

What a Calamity

[urban cloak]

now the current dev team has a different goal and the changes to align with said goal are causing friction cause a lot of people are used to the old style

[gloomy grove]

i cant really take "erm why are you not playing on 100x hp ultra masochist death malice mode? youre not playing the game right" people seriously

[brittle mountain]

Why are you still trying to argue this man

[deft lily]

if you can't beat Nameless Yhardeity of Fargonian Calamity while on the Eternity Masochist Death Master Malice Infernum Torture Absolution Everlasting Disaster Catastrophe Vehemence Genocide Armaggedon Extinction difficulty while using nothing but a Palm Wood Block as a weapon and wearing no equipment, are you even a real calamity player? 🙄

[gloomy grove]

people like that will probably fizzle out of basecal and move into the addon stuff

[clear pine]

ive never rlly liked the post plantera progression tbh it feels like alot of content is just thrown in there between golem and i feel the same with post ml

[deep bough]

preach

[tropic jolt]

[gloomy grove]

yeah its an issue even in vanilla and id love more things to do than just fight another boss

[deft lily]

truth nuke.

[heavy light]

these people are the absolute worst in every game ever and i will stand by that far longer than the span of my life and earth itself

[silver shuttle]

The worst change this update is probably making event summons consumables honestly

[ocean juniper]

because as a level/game designer people like you who throw reason out the window for entitlement piss me the fuck off

[gloomy grove]

with how cheap they are i dont find it that annoying tbh

[deft lily]

yeah, unfortunately this isn't exclusive to just terraria

[brittle mountain]

How am I entitled?

[clear pine]

i was rlly hoping they would fix that horrible temple thats baiting u the entire game with it mystery only for it to be a glorified arena

[neat dock]

dood how the Fuck does the wulfrum bobber work this feels like ass

[gloomy grove]

to be fair the first time experience of the temple is pretty neat

[heavy light]

yeah like they act like you have to make the game as hard as possible for it to be fun, who gaf, especially if its a game thats single player or single and multiplayer

[silver shuttle]

Yeah but it sets the precedent for them making boss summons consumable and I don’t want to live in that timeline lmao

[neat dock]

okay nevermind i figuredit out lmao i just have to hold the button not tap it

[arctic cliff]

what temple?

[urban cloak]

jungle temple

[deft lily]

yeah it sucks
its not even worth associating with those kinds of ppl

[arctic cliff]

oh yeah

[gloomy grove]

unironically, lukewarm take, i dont mind consumable boss summons, and cal team wants to move away from summon items anyways and want the bosses to be spawned with in-world methods

[clear pine]

i remember my first playthrough of golem being around the time he was final boss and having the temple be this big mystery thing in the jungle only to be disapointed was sad

[brittle mountain]

Hold up that would be fire af

[gloomy grove]

i think unironically, infernum did it well with the sentinels being there in-world, but it couldve been better executed

[heavy light]

or the people who act like you know everything those also suck but id say these are worse bc you can always learn stuff easier than you can get better at a game unless you start off like really bad or something

[arctic cliff]

yeah ngl even now, as a required boss i find it hard to imagine why killing Golem is what leads to Lunatic Cultist showing up

[clear pine]

tho temple made me love abyss even more because abyss is defo how u make a good late game biome