calamity-update-talk

[verbal elk]

but how does having an npc and meeting reqs for another one make nobody else able to spawn

what has to go wrong

[empty yarrow]

Point is, Snapthorn just shouldn’t be better than most of the other Pre-HM Whips despite being available Pre-Boss

[bold flame]

I wanna say that most ppl dont' use it because of the fact that it's so damn short

[verbal elk]

thanks for the detailed changelog

[vocal kelp]

we can agree with that

[empty yarrow]

It needs a nerf imo but maybe not to the degree Catalyst did

[unique warren]

Make Leather Whip tag damage focused, snapthorn whip damage focused, and evil whips a mix

[vocal kelp]

we do think a lot of people here exaggerate how many people area actually inclined to immediately rush to it
but thats not a usefull discussion to have anyways

[bold flame]

but then what about spinal tap

[unique warren]

Uhhhh

I mean spinal tap should just be better anyways

Probably an all rounder that’s just a lot stronger than evil whips

[bold flame]

did you rly forget about that whip? i ditch snapthorn for it anyways, cuz even if it is worse, it has better range and it SHOULD BE BETTER

[arctic cliff]

i think the issue is that people here are aware that its not that hard to get snapthorn pre-boss

[vocal kelp]

well yeah it is not

[arctic cliff]

anyhow

i have a hot take on whips

[vocal kelp]

but we think people overestimate how many people r actually compelled to do it and how much use the rest get inc omparisonb

[bold flame]

uh oh

[arctic cliff]

they shouldve not been the only summon weapon type that complements your minions/sentries

[bold flame]

I used to rush snapthorn every damn run

[vocal kelp]

we wonder how much of snapthorn rushing is motivated by class locking though,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if only it were possible to know this

[bold flame]

but I got tired of it so i stopped

[unique warren]

I can mess with that

[vocal kelp]

yeah thats just true

there shouldv ebeen more weapon types

[empty yarrow]

Agreed

[verbal elk]

speaking of sentries why are there like no sentries

[bold flame]

The Stars Above handles that beautifully

[verbal elk]

or were some added that i dont know

[unique warren]

One was

[empty yarrow]

I wish Summoners had more direct means of attacking besides Whips

[unique warren]

Preboss i think!

[bold flame]

there's a poison floating barnacle added

[dull heart]

the class culture of terraria makes me sad

[unique warren]

Why’s that?

[vocal kelp]

we dont think many but we do think a lot of people box themselves in the idea every class needs to have some super consistently good immediatly available option when thats just not really true cuz like class locking like that is technically a challenge one is imposing on themselves, moreso early game where mixing doesn't matter at all

later in the game u have incentives but u dont have to care at all early on

but people still believe u gotta give your class an obligatory wood weapon or something

when thats just not necessary

[dull heart]

so many players write off / never try other ways to play they'd enjoy because they're "playing melee"

[unique warren]

Wdym

[vocal kelp]

people loooove class locking

[unique warren]

Do you mean like, not class mixing?

[bold flame]

I don't think that's entirely a terraria problem though...

[unique warren]

Oh yeah monoclass for the win

[bold flame]

that's an RPG problem leaking into terraria...

[empty yarrow]

Class Setups Jumpscare

[vocal kelp]

they love it so much they forget terraria doesnt Need to have a second 1 summon

[dull heart]

that's a terraria culture problem

[unique warren]

I LOVE class locking

[dull heart]

i think it mostly comes from youtube class challenge runs

[unique warren]

Genuinely the only way I play

[vocal kelp]

like we saw some redditors talking about slime staff not being easy and thus not having a second 1 summon weapon unless rng or whatever

[unique warren]

Oh yeah those are dope

Especially when you get into subclass runs

[pale silo]

Oh wow I didn't even realise wind/rain is now life locked

[dull heart]

and the mods like calamity force an option for every class of every type at every material and tier

[bold flame]

life locked?

[vocal kelp]

and we saw someone suggest they should pull a calamity starter bag

and it was like

[pale silo]

how tf do you get water in ftw

[vocal kelp]

noooooooooo

😭 😭

[pale silo]

Need 120 life or more

[bold flame]

what the heck

[vocal kelp]

this is because flying fish suck

[pale silo]

Like actually????

[dull heart]

can you get lava to fish in maybe

[unique warren]

Yeah and that’s dope, especially when certain subclasses are challenging

[pale silo]

Can't fish in lava anymore

[bold flame]

cavern life slime

[pale silo]

I tested

[pale silo]

Oh right

[bold flame]

to get that 1 extra life

[pale silo]

Yeah good

[empty yarrow]

I fw Calamity’s Starter bag but that’d be a bit weird for Vanilla

[pale silo]

Forgot ab that

[unique warren]

Vanilla yo-yo only has a gap between Plantera and ML and that is SUPER fun

[fierce hearth]

I've always run class locked bc of my childhood playing w my siblings but I've been forcing myself to not do that with 1.4.5

[dull heart]

okay but if they didn't force something of everything at every point then the challenge runs would actually be more of a challenge

[empty yarrow]

I like getting a glimpse of each class at the start I think that’s cool

[fierce hearth]

And it's been nice to be like "well melee isn't very good against this boss so I'm just gonna pivot to magic"

[dull heart]

i'm actually glad Folly doesn't drop a summon weapon, for example

[unique warren]

Of course! I think they aren’t needed at every stage in the game—for example, you can absolutely use a post-plant weapon on ML

[dull heart]

yeah

[unique warren]

But class locking is genuinely just more fun for me

[vocal kelp]

when people suggest a subclass get more weapons to fill a progression slot fifteen angels die and get tortured btw

[dull heart]

that's fine

[fierce hearth]

I like that PBG heavily biases its benefits to ranged and summon meaning if you're not playing around those you can very comfortably skip it

[arctic cliff]

recently i randomly watched a video on a Dark Souls 2 "challenge run" video using only Hexes, which apparently are really strong. evne the guy in the video stated that he only called it a challenge run for views iirc

[unique warren]

I do think all subclasses should have a pre-boss option tho

[dull heart]

i don't

[unique warren]

Just for them to have smth to start with

[dull heart]

rocket launchers for example

[unique warren]

Okay that’s fair

[arctic cliff]

i just find that really fucking hilarious

[empty yarrow]

Can Calamity get a new Dart Weapon

[bold flame]

we need more darts and dart guns

[dull heart]

rocket launchers should stay a late game weapon

[unique warren]

Hardmode is kinda part of rocket launcher identity

[dull heart]

we do need more darts

not to fill out progression

[fierce hearth]

I actually agree more darts

[vocal kelp]

calamity should definitely get dart weapons

[dull heart]

just because darts are cool

[vocal kelp]

just look at the goat (fable

[bold flame]

exactly

[unique warren]

Dart weapons are preboss technically

[fierce hearth]

We deserve an exo dart

[pseudo vector]

a calamity BTD reference

[verbal elk]

LOOL

[unique warren]

Seeds are darts technically

[empty yarrow]

All two of them

[dull heart]

dart weapons are't even technically preboss they just are

[vocal kelp]

fables has more dart content next up da te

[dull heart]

YAY

why does calamity play so hard into flamethrowers and do no darts

[fierce hearth]

I joked about a 4-2-0 alchemist accessory that buffs darts like a week or two ago

[vocal kelp]

god knows

[dull heart]

(vanilla has 2 flamethrowers with 1 ammo, while it has 4 dart guns with 5 ammos)

[pseudo vector]

i mean this is something we can theoretically fix lmao

[vocal kelp]

specially since all flamethrowers r literally the same weapon theyre all so identical,,,, thats gotta be better

[empty yarrow]

We are blessed

[vocal kelp]

they gotta be different

[unique warren]

Yea, flamethrowers are indeed awesome but give dart weapons some love too!

[calm ingot]

Instead of making monkey darts a shitty rogue weapon make it an ammo type

[dull heart]

monkey darts should be from the monkey dart trap

[unique warren]

I think subclasses should generally have a decent amount of items scattered about progression

Not every tier, but just enough to be reasonable

[fierce hearth]

I think the best BTD reference we could get for darts would either be acid darts or "juggernaut darts" (ignore the odd shape, these will fit in your preferred dart weapon)

[empty yarrow]

Funny how 1.4.5 added a Flamethrower but its a Summon Weapon lmao

[vocal kelp]

fables is the best mod ever because it has early game mage weapons that do not make you want to kill yourself

[bold flame]

there's 1 singular reason why there's more flamethrowers than dart guns in calamity. What's cooler? Spitting literal flames at an enemy, or throwing sharp pointy metal through a tube

[dull heart]

fables is not the best mod ever because roots exists sorry

[bold flame]

[empty yarrow]

Vanilla Ranged is oppressed, first Ale Tosser died and now that

[dull heart]

fables has no mage weapons at all because it abolished classes

[vocal kelp]

calamity gets a point or two because we like ice bolt

[dull heart]

wait

roots

roots has no mage weapons at all

[vocal kelp]

ice bolt is my oshi as they say

bad mod

immediatly bad mod

im sorry doze

they need to fix that

[dull heart]

roots also has no melee or ranged or summon weapons

[vocal kelp]

oh

[unique warren]

Erm yes it does

[vocal kelp]

then its okay

[unique warren]

Config!!!

[dull heart]

config isn't real

[vocal kelp]

bad again

[dull heart]

it exists but it's not real

[bold flame]

am I the only one that thinks Stars Above does the whole multi-class or classless thing really well?

[unique warren]

Cal needs better multiclass

[dull heart]

yknow what does multiclass well

[empty yarrow]

Where’s the magic weapon doze?

[dull heart]

the 2.1 stratus set

[vocal kelp]

we dont talk about tsa

[dull heart]

stratus in 2.1 is so peak

[unique warren]

And by multiclass I mean make summoner worthwhile to use for multiclass at all

[vocal kelp]

we're fine with there not being much multiclass stuff

[dull heart]

summoner is literally always worthwile to multiclass

it's just free damage?

[bold flame]

even with cal damage reduction, free dmg = free dmg

[dull heart]

i agree, multiclass stuff should exist but be sparse

[vocal kelp]

ultimately it is hard to incentivize it (outside of summoner obviously), we just think people should be a little less crazy about locking themselves early on

[fierce hearth]

Agreed

[flat folio]

To "fix" this, make summons always interfere with your iframes!

[distant raft]

oh yeah is brittle star defence getting nerfed

[dull heart]

vanilla also has a ton of multiclass stuff

[unique warren]

Oh ok

[dull heart]

brittle star defense literally does northing rn

at least against projectiles

[distant raft]

oh right i forgot about that

[dull heart]

so it's being buffed techincally

[unique warren]

And you were advocating for that so hard 😭 😭 😭

[distant raft]

unparalleled truthnuke..............

[empty yarrow]

Crimson Rod my beloved

Nimbus Rod too

[fierce hearth]

Also I'm shocked with a lot of calamity's more recent gimmick weapon designs that we haven't gotten a weapon with a serve-strike mechanic (I guess the ultrakill pistols kinda count but it's not required)

[bold flame]

or we could have the summons behave like any other summon/minion in video games...

[distant raft]

if it actually worked then 5 free defence per minion slot is prettystrong

[dull heart]

Venom Staff, Poison Dart, Flamethrower, Elf Melter, Cursed Flare, Paladin's Hammer, and Possesed Hatchet all come to mind

[bold flame]

actual NPCs with health bars

[empty yarrow]

Its a Mage Thing but I always use it regardless of class

[unique warren]

My point is, why does Omega Blue have… what, fuckin 2 minion slots???

That’s absurd and less than Astral

[dull heart]

that's totally fine

2 slots is fine

[vocal kelp]

and despite only having 2 omega blue is omega blue

[fierce hearth]

Like a baseball bat or racket weapon of some kind that has a secondary function to toss a weak projectile that can be empowered and launched at high speed by the main attack

[unique warren]

Omega Blue is John damage and it has less than Astral

[empty yarrow]

That’s 5 minions with Bewitching Table and Summoning Potions

[vocal kelp]

"It's an armor for sure" - Calamity player back in 2020

[dull heart]

make it real...

[unique warren]

At least make it 3

[fierce hearth]

YAY

[unique warren]

So 5 with omega blue vs 6 with astral

[vocal kelp]

is that an auric bat

[main estuary]

baseball in my calamity? cool

[dull heart]

okay? it still gives way more damage than astral lol

[unique warren]

My point still stands

[unique warren]

And also crit is useless for summons mind you

[dull heart]

what even is your point

[flat folio]

hmm

[dull heart]

like i genuinely don't know

[vocal kelp]

weve seen what omega blue can do man

[verbal elk]

i havent

[upbeat bobcat]

Do any of you guys how to get those Patereon things for free?

[unique warren]

Yeah and its summoner aspects are pitiful

[upbeat bobcat]

I can’t really pay

[upbeat bobcat]

Plus I don’t want to

[vocal kelp]

you use your money in a legal transaction

[hushed hazel]

which

[upbeat bobcat]

Well not everyone is super rich

[vocal kelp]

then dont man

[fierce hearth]

Auric baseball blast

[vocal kelp]

u dont need it

[upbeat bobcat]

Idk

[upbeat bobcat]

Most likely

[empty yarrow]

Then don’t

[hushed hazel]

the update you can get by waiting until it drops

everything else, you can't

[unique warren]

Like, I get it, but Omega Blue’s absurd +38% crit just doesn’t affect summons at all

[dull heart]

okay but summons are still strong with it as support

[distant raft]

patreon lore will eventually get revealed i think

[bold flame]

it's a multiclass armour...

[dull heart]

so like

it's fine

[main estuary]

spending money on a patreon tier is an option
waiting for the update is free

[unique warren]

That is later on than astral

Which has three

[dull heart]

so?

tarragon summoner armor has less slots than stardust

[bold flame]

that one summon won't make a difference at that point

[dull heart]

so does bloodflare

[dull heart]

that is very not true

[verbal elk]

can i get every single patreon perk pls i dont feel like using a vpn right now

[bold flame]

like, I play mostly summoner

[dull heart]

4 to 5 minions is notable

[unique warren]

Me when the defense armor is defense oriented

[vocal kelp]

summon balance specially in calamity is like some ultra technical hell frankly

we wouldnt wish it on our worst enemy

tarragon isnt really defense armor

its the armor

the armor thats there

[dull heart]

1.4.5 is going to be nightmare balance port

[unique warren]

It sure ain’t pure damage like stardust practically is

[vocal kelp]

well yeah

[dull heart]

that is true stardust is very glass cannon

[unique warren]

And Y’know what else is

[empty yarrow]

True dat

[dull heart]

doesn't fearmonger also have 3 minion slots

[unique warren]

OMEGA BLUE MY GOATTT 🗣️

[empty yarrow]

Stardust Armor vs DoG

[unique warren]

Isn’t that actively being reworked tbf

[empty yarrow]

Most cathartic experience

[dull heart]

not majorly

[unique warren]

Also again

Defense focused

[bold flame]

fearmonger is +2 minions

not 3

[unique warren]

Like, REALLY defense focused

[empty yarrow]

Stardust Guardian smacking DoG in the face

[dull heart]

anyway omega blue doesn't give more minions because that would be really strong

it already gives a lot of damage

[vocal kelp]

remember the good old days where calamity mod balance? No you dont no such thing

[unique warren]

I guess….

[vocal kelp]

just use a weapon that does benefit from crit alongside the summons anyway and youre getting all your value

[dull heart]

calamity mod balance is better than 1.4.5 balance

[unique warren]

Maybe it’s just my OCD brain

[obtuse hawk]

calamity fungus

[vocal kelp]

doze you cant say that

[dull heart]

roller skates.

[bold flame]

I bet calamity is gonna have a hell of a time trying to balance that moonlord whip

[vocal kelp]

thats a single thing

[dull heart]

chillet

[vocal kelp]

okay thats like three things including the other thing

[unique warren]

Why if astral armor only generalist armor and Omega Blue damage armor, Omega Blue have less summons???

[vocal kelp]

calamity is like the entire mod (through history not at this exact moment)

[unique warren]

Like I know now but it still makes my head hurt

[dull heart]

hydrothermic has better dps than spooky but less damage% and minionslots

[vocal kelp]

as you may know vanilla also does not give a single shit compared to cal so its like lesse r

[dull heart]

astral doens't have omega blue tentacles

[unique warren]

Sorry what

[dull heart]

hydro dps is WAY better than spooky

[unique warren]

Isn’t spooky supposed to be the dps option to Tiki

[bold flame]

it's cuz of the set bonus for hydrothermic, isn't it

[vocal kelp]

yeah so calamity armors are generally better or at least were historically gneerally better than vanillas

[bold flame]

that little volcano creep

[dull heart]

yes it is bc of hydro set bonus

[unique warren]

Does Hydrothermic at least have less defense

[dull heart]

no

[calm ingot]

The free minion from hydrothermic is just that guy

[unique warren]

So why use spooky

[vocal kelp]

no reason

this is what we call a balance issue

[unique warren]

[bold flame]

yep

[dull heart]

spooky can be gotten earlier than hydro sort of

[vocal kelp]

that is true

[unique warren]

I mean still

[dull heart]

hydro requires golem/ravager

[vocal kelp]

but it is not much earlier

[calm ingot]

If someone has vanilla brain and it’s what they default to

[dull heart]

spooky requires moons

[unique warren]

Golem easy

[vocal kelp]

so you'd be changing really quick

[dull heart]

yeah

plus spooky is also like

not out of the way, hydrothermic is

you need to do pumpkin moon for summoner regardless

you don't need abyss stuff regardless

[vocal kelp]

we mostly do not tend to bother with vanilla armors most of the playthrough, their viablity has changed a lot since we started playing but there's still not much need, not that there needs to be really

we also play mage and mage has a brimflame in the room

[dull heart]

but anyway my point was

raw damage stats and minion slots do not tell the full story

omega blue tentacles do significant damage

[unique warren]

Do they do classless damage btw

I hope so

I’ve never been a fan of classless armors or accessories doing class damage

Like Shield of Cthulhu

[misty wren]

their damage scales off the highest class damage% you have is iirc

[unique warren]

Yeah I just checked, very based

Ram dashes seem to be melee damage, very much not based…

[fierce hearth]

They are meant to be primarily for melee players with reduced benefits for everyone else

[misty wren]

not really

[unique warren]

I get that but they already have reduced benefits for other classes

Like

Ram dashes already allow for direct sword hits more easily

[misty wren]

saying "oh primarily for melee players but with reduced benefits for everyone else" doesnt work in calamity because ramdash centric design

[fierce hearth]

Ramdash is being nerfed

Tbf

[misty wren]

that doesnt change the issue

yes ramdashing is being nerfed but its still primarily what shit is designed around

[fierce hearth]

Right now

[unique warren]

Thing is that it’s kind of an autoequip for true melee so I’d say it does help melee more

[fierce hearth]

Yes

[vocal kelp]

ramdash is melee as a result of soc being and that not being changed ever psure

[fierce hearth]

Like, these nerfs aren't planned to just make the mod harder/suck more, they're with a design direction to de-emphasize overwhelming metas and improve the feel and quality in general. If they nerf ram dashes they also plan to make them less optimal

[vocal kelp]

dont think there was design intent behind it

its just not been changed

[fierce hearth]

That's fair

[misty wren]

im aware of the logic behind it

that still doesnt change the fight design of calamity though

[fierce hearth]

I do think making it non-class damage or highest class damage wouldn't that be that big of a deal

[vocal kelp]

also yeah thats lowkey problematic

[misty wren]

yes ramdashes are nerfed but bosses that havent been reworked post fabsol are still built with the assumption that you have a ramdash

[vocal kelp]

its a long term problem to solve we guess

[fierce hearth]

Yea

[dull heart]

Well SoC isn't classless so

[fierce hearth]

I didn't mean to imply it doesn't suck rn, just that hopefully this won't be a problem for too long. After all the meta hasn't meaningfully changed in years because of dev hell and dev heaven

[dull heart]

I'm actually more for moving more items into specific class dmg than away from it tbh

in terms of accessories

[misty wren]

ramdashing being nerfed doesnt change the fact that it shouldnt overly emphasize melee, it having greater benefits for melee should be exclusively because melee generally likes being in closer range, which is what ramdashes allow more easily

[vocal coyote]

Somehow 1.4.5 broke frameskip off for me

[dull heart]

This is a reminder that ram rune does summon dmg

[unique warren]

It kind of is

Like I get it but a lot of people like dashes

[dull heart]

objectively it's not classless

It's usable on all classes but it's not classless

[vocal kelp]

soc being melee has never really bothered us its like fine

[unique warren]

Why is fungal clump classless then

[vocal kelp]

but if you really cared about the fact everyone kinda uses it then yeah its fine to makeit classless

[dull heart]

it makes sense to encourage melee to bonk and be close

[unique warren]

It’s obviously a minion

[dull heart]

it used to be summon, idk why it was changed

[unique warren]

I say that’s good

[dull heart]

I'd support it going back to summon

[misty wren]

ok but that should be encouraged by default because of how the class works at that stage

[unique warren]

And it is!

[dull heart]

it can be borh

Both

[unique warren]

It doesn’t need to be imo

[misty wren]

a mobility accessory shouldnt be what encourages being up close and personal, it should be the class itself

[flat bear]

maybe ram dashes could do classless damage but dashing gives some sort of boost to true melee for a few frames or something

[dull heart]

I don't think that's inherently true

the class itself should, yes

but the accesory can too

[unique warren]

It can but I don’t like it much

[dull heart]

Ultimately it's real just personal preference

There is no objective right or wrong here

[misty wren]

im fine with accessories giving incentives for being more up close but i really dont like it when said incentive is only for a single class when its on an otherwise classless accessory

[unique warren]

Ofc

[misty wren]

also sidenote why does warbanner specify true melee

[fathom girder]

hehe

[unique warren]

It’s kinda THE true melee accessory

[misty wren]

ok, sure, thats fine, but this is just confusing

[unique warren]

I mean, it boosts melee damage and then also boots true melee damage even more

[flat bear]

give it small boosts to each class then
like uhhh
short true melee damage boost, brief ranged crit chance buff, lower mage mana cost, something for summoner (i have no ideas there), and giving a little bit of stealth regen to rogue

[misty wren]

or just

dont

thats an option too

a mobility accessory can just be a mobility accessory!

[flat bear]

fair yeah

[unique warren]

Most are already defensive too

[noble sandal]

If Kaleidoscope was viable till Polterghast rn
What's Possession gonna do to the Calamity meta?

[barren hollow]

Yes it gives a 20% melee damage and then if you are using a true melee weapon it gives an additional 20% true melee damage

[flat bear]

tho the inherent concept of a ram dash does benefit melee in specific

[misty wren]

it benefits melee in specific more than other classes but not exclusively melee

and that should be where that ends

[unique warren]

And it would regardless, is the thing

[flat bear]

personally i think dodge dashes are what really need a buff
but i’m no game designer so i’m not sure if that’s a common opinion

[misty wren]

no dodges dont need buffs they have so much fucking shit slapped on them

[arctic cliff]

no i want my evasion scarf upgrade doobie

[misty wren]

the issue there is that ramdashes are really really overcentralizing both as a result of them being overtuned and because bosses have been designed for years around having ramdashes

[flat bear]

i mean more like
make them worthwhile to use specifically i guess
cuz right now i really feel like picking void sash over asgardian aegis is just a bad idea

[fierce hearth]

The solution is bosses not buffing dodges

Bosses need changes to shake up the meta

[flat bear]

that is true yea

[misty wren]

them being super overtuned is getting (at least partially) fixed next update, but boss behavior needs to be changed on top of that

[high scaffold]

Soon

[flat bear]

stares at DoG

[dull heart]

Bc it does 20% melee, 20% true melee, and 20% melee speed

so 40% true melee dmg

[fierce hearth]

DoG and Yharon come to mind first and foremost as the "ramdash solves the boss" examples

[unique warren]

What boss ISNT getting a rework or resprite atp

Like, scal?

[flat bear]

plaguebringer, iirc

[fierce hearth]

There's not one planned but certainly one wanted

[high scaffold]

I realy want to see the BoC rework

[arctic cliff]

I hope Provi gets a rework ngl, knowing how awesome Infernum Provi can be as a spectacle

[fierce hearth]

Basically every boss is considered but only a handful have plans outlined or considered in the near future at all

[arctic cliff]

supposedly defeating provi is supposed to be a really huge moment for you, more than Moon Lord for some reason

[unique warren]

That should be lowest priority imo

It’s kinda the second best boss in the mod

[high scaffold]

Provi and guards atm are so meh

[flat bear]

i mean she’s one of the few bosses that have a proper death anim
most just collapse into gores

[young notch]

I like prov tbh

[unique warren]

The only issue with prov is globs and getting rid of that ain’t a rework

[arctic cliff]

same

[flat bear]

oh god i hate the globs

if it wasn’t for those i would love prov significantly more

[arctic cliff]

ngl provi is still quite good, theres so much other bosses that desperately need reworks

[unique warren]

Yeah other than scal, prov needs the least

[arctic cliff]

fucking hell man id link the "Astrum Aureus: PLEASE HELPPPPP MEEEE" clip but thats from the calcast episode with shayy

[unique warren]

The sprite is old as fuck but still more than serviceable

[unique warren]

:(

[flat bear]

aquatic scourge needs a resprite/rework imo

i’ve been wanting it to get once since desert scourge got one

[unique warren]

Honestly Aquatic Scourge does have a fantastic sprite for when it was made

But it is still very old

[flat bear]

true yea

honestly id really just like minor tweaks to the sprite plus the whole opening jaws thing

[unique warren]

I’d say if the tier swap wasn’t happening, Hive Mind is perfect

[flat bear]

hive and perf are getting tier swapped?

to where?

[unique warren]

With dragonfolly

Idk if it’s set in stone

[vivid hemlock]

hive mind is like fine ig but it looks plastic like in some areas

[vivid hemlock]

it is

[unique warren]

Maybe it’s cause it looks so much better than perfs

[vivid hemlock]

evil2s and dragonfolly being tier swapped is the only guaranteed one

[blazing field]

hive mind has one of my least liked designs in the entire mod i can't lie 😭

[flat bear]

i kinda like how it looks tbh
looks more intimidating with the semi-metallic appearance

[unique warren]

Yeah and I don’t like the other ones

[blazing field]

up there with poltehrghast

its soooo deeply uninspired and boring i hate itttt

[unique warren]

Fair but the sprite is great

[flat bear]

wait that’s real?

whuh

[vivid hemlock]

i love calamity bosses that are just vanilla boss designs but a different material

[unique warren]

The other tier swap that is kinda thought about it slime gods and calclone but I do not like that one much

[vivid hemlock]

yeah

[blazing field]

yeah dragonfolly and evil2 swap is more or less confirmed

alongside ravager to post provi

[flat bear]

wasn’t there plans for post perf/hive prehardmode rogue gear?

[blazing field]

other ones r more up in the air

[blazing field]

yeah they just wont be post perf/hive anymore ig

[vivid hemlock]

the armor wont be moved

[blazing field]

something something wandering cultist npcs something something

[flat bear]

oh so post brain/EoW then i guess

[vivid hemlock]

post folly evils armor

[flat bear]

OH.

[teal cloak]

Question: I heard a bigger update is comming, is there an confirmed date pehaps?

[vivid hemlock]

nope

[flat bear]

nope

[blazing field]

februrayh

february

no exact date, just

sometime in february

[vivid hemlock]

thats a release window

[teal cloak]

i see, well thank you!

[flat bear]

i’m assuming it’s gonna be for 1.4.5?

[teal cloak]

hopefully

[flat bear]

if tmod is even updated for it by then-

[blazing field]

Ehh probably not

Not only does tmod need to update by then (Unlikely) but they'd also need to port the mod

which by itself would take time

[flat bear]

fair i guess

[blazing field]

It'll just be ported later

[flat bear]

i guess porting the mod will just be a minor update then

[vivid hemlock]

depends

[blazing field]

1.4.5 port that adds 1 singualr new block

the evil goo block

[hushed hazel]

brainstorm january-february

[vivid hemlock]

january 31st 🔥

[flat bear]

nah they add 20 million more boulders

[pale silo]

noice

about the 15th one

i think

havent kept track

[vivid hemlock]

i will kill calamity devs if they add more boulders

like vanilla already oversaturated the market

[flat bear]

okay but do you not see the glory of the god slayer boulder

[pale silo]

Auric boulder.

[flat bear]

Exo boulder

[pale silo]

Imagine the bounce

Auric repulsion boulder

[flat bear]

new boulder made with Rock

[pale silo]

It's called "Rocker"

[flat bear]

it is just a regular boulder with a retexture
you have to get a new rock afterwards too

either that or it just one-taps literally anything ever

[pale silo]

It also needs boulder blocks

[flat bear]

yes

[unique warren]

Bro my WiFi

Ts is never being sent 💔

But pre-hm calclone? Nahhh

Hardmode slime gods would be badass

Dude I sent these messages five minutes ago

[pale silo]

(actually exists)

[unique warren]

Holy shit finally

Yeah idk I just really do not like the idea of pre-HM calclone

[blazing field]

I fw pre hm calclone

[unique warren]

Idk it just doesn’t feel right

[blazing field]

hardmode has a gollirion bosses already so

[unique warren]

You’re not wrong but a boss swap doesn’t fix that

It’s a net equal amount of bosses

[blazing field]

Yeah but just moving slime god without moving something back would be +1 hardmode boss

and moving slime boss is like Really Good Actually imo

[flat bear]

i actually counted it a while ago
hardmode has more bosses than preHM and post ML combined

[unique warren]

Idk, I guess I just take issue from a lore standpoint

[blazing field]

And out of all hm bosses, the only other one i can see making sense in pre hm is... astrum aureus but only if the astral existed in pre hm which. would be Interesting i suppose

[arctic cliff]

WDYM the slime god is fought before the queen slime

[unique warren]

Like yeah calclone was a failed clone but not that much 😭 😭 😭

[blazing field]

She wasn't even a failed clone

[unique warren]

Oh

🤔

[blazing field]

She's actually a completely perfect clone

[flat bear]

pre-HM brimElem?

[pale silo]

It's the power itself that can't be controlled

[blazing field]

It's that calamitas powers aren't biological to begin with so she was just literally a normal person

[unique warren]

I would like this more

[blazing field]

Calclone can her a slight fraction of her power

I mean

Calamitas

whatever

word

Anyways

My Personal Vision for calclone dosen't have her using brimstone magic almost at all in her fihgt regardless

[flat bear]

would give actual reasoning to go to the crags pre-hardmode too

[blazing field]

Cuz like think about it

[flat bear]

outside of like
hadal stew or whatnot

[unique warren]

I think a more interesting idea than that is to make her a clone in an attempt to create a new calamitas

[blazing field]

Brimstone magic fucks over her mind

And like. i think an extremely narrative interesting for calclone would be identity. She is a clone of someone else, and not only that, but a clone of someone that is universally hated by the world

Why would she actively use the same exact abilities calamitas uses

[unique warren]

Like, recreating the inciting incidents that created Calamitas in the first place

[blazing field]

If anything, wouldn't she want to do something else? To make her own fighting style, avoiding the same thing calamitas uses? To say "Hey i'm different!"

"I'm my own person!"

[unique warren]

I see what you mean kind of

Though I think her having access to Calamitas’ abilities and using them as a last resort would be really cool for that idea

[arctic cliff]

the one thing i could see pre-HM calclone do is if you do a fucking igon-like guy who ultra-hates calamitas for an atrocity she commited, and he assumes the clone is the real deal.
he helps you in the fight, and after the clone dies, he dies happy

and then the actual calamitas shows up, probably rather mournful over this situation

[blazing field]

Anyways make calclone only use the brimstone magic for a super desperation big powerful move or like as a phase 2 and otherwise she's an artificer that uses scrap metal and trinkets to fight you since she was created by draedon and might have learned a thing or two from observing him working while she was like half conscious in some random test tube thanks for listening

[unique warren]

Yeah that’s kinda what I was saying lol

[flat bear]

honestly the idea of calamitas just showing up on occasion throughout the playthrough for cutscenes or something would be great

[blazing field]

calclone can be sooo much more as a character

[unique warren]

You could alternatively make it so it isn’t a literal clone

[blazing field]

she dosen't have to be a villain of the week

she can be an actual character

triangle calclone big mech "brothers" replacement idea my beloved

[unique warren]

A sort of cyborg that isn’t really biologically similar to Calamitas, but is infused with brimstone energy and an attempt to replicate Calamitas’ mind

[flat bear]

something something allying calclone by basically convincing her she doesn’t need to try and be better than her predecessor throughout the fight with her

[unique warren]

Originally under mental control from Draedon, and went insane because he abandoned her

Idk I’m just spitballing

[arctic cliff]

ive always wondered if calamitas should show up surprisingly early under a disguise, and shed be able to offer her services through that

[flat bear]

GIVE ME FOUND FAMILY CALCLONE ARC

[unique warren]

Calclone town NPC

[flat bear]

unironically yes

[unique warren]

I actually would not at all hate that even if it could get… confusing

[dusty tinsel]

Why would she do that though she thinks you are like yharim lol

Until you beat her that is

[flat bear]

something about a recovered and rehabilitated calclone helping scal overcome her past and come to terms with it

[unique warren]

Maybe, idk

[arctic cliff]

Weeeellllll, i guess it would be a reason to her to see the whole "you are getting strong way too fast, you're too fucking scary" firsthand

fair enough

[unique warren]

That would be hard to do

[flat bear]

fair yea

i just wanna see calamitas happy

[craggy wagon]

i feel like if rehabilitated cal clone did become a thing i feel like they may need a different name

[arctic cliff]

that would be fucking awesome

[craggy wagon]

(actually calclone finding their own identity outside of being just a clone of Calamitas sounds very sweet and i want that to happen now)

[flat bear]

calamitas becomes their deadname lol

but yes
calclone as their own character would be wonderful

[craggy wagon]

i wanna see Draedon's reaction to one of his creations becoming actually full-on sentient

[flat bear]

he’s either gonna be “how the fuck did i do that without realizing” or “ewwwwwwww kill it”

well not ew
but you get the idea

either we get draedon psychologist arc or draedon gets his shit slapped arc

[craggy wagon]

he doesn't seem that angry when his original mechs started acting out, i assume he'd be moreso annoyed

[flat bear]

ah
so draedon is a little bitch arc

[blazing field]

Tbh calamitas isn't doin too bad currently frankly

Like yeah she has ptsd but that's not something you can really, "fix"

all things considered she could be doing a whole lot worse

Specially with Yharim dying at the end of the game like

[hushed hazel]

she should pull a poe2 doriyani

where she starts off fighting you directly then assembles a giant mech halfway through the fight

https://youtu.be/2ebWO3nzTHY?si=eI6cioWqbKC3ta5g&t=240 for reference

[clear compass]

SAMUS

[unique warren]

Yes

[rich ginkgo]

idk i still feel like it’s weird how one second she hates you and sees you as yharim and just goes all out then once you defeat her she’s immediately like “yeah we good where’s my room”

im not saying her npc should be removed entirely lmao but the transition is so instant

[fathom girder]

probably because you don't go for the killing blow

you're just doing what you gotta do

[blazing field]

I mean yeah but thats like

unrelated to what im saying entirely

[vocal kelp]

we dont think thats the important thing here

[blazing field]

I agree though yeah it's jarring

[rich ginkgo]

because im just saying

[blazing field]

There'sw gonna be more stuff between her fight and her becoming an npc later

[rich ginkgo]

and it sort of relates to like her mental state

and all the trauma and stuff

[blazing field]

She's gonna show up in your world first

[rich ginkgo]

because she literally sees you as the person who caused her all that shit and right after the fight she moves in with you

so idk what’s happening there

[fathom girder]

I wouldn't say moves in with you

she's not a roommate

you're her landlord

[rich ginkgo]

does she pay rent

[fathom girder]

with the tax man yes

[rich ginkgo]

infact we build her damn room

[rich ginkgo]

wellll

[fathom girder]

no

no loopholes

we have a tax man

she pays her taxes to me

ME

[blazing field]

She won't immediately be a NPC and will at first just show up in the world as a wanderer, and you choose whether to house her or not

[rich ginkgo]

seth from silksong

kind of

oh hey it’s that one dude i beat the shit out of how are you man

[vocal kelp]

well she does move in with you like just because you technically dont have to live right next to where she does (Most players will just due to convinience anyways) doesnt mean shes not moving in, to live somewhere you provided, and are visiting often,and

[fathom girder]

you are the landlord

[rich ginkgo]

she should give us free enchants

greedy fucker

[fathom girder]

she pays TAXES

it's fair

[rich ginkgo]

2 gold every in game week

[vocal kelp]

the taxes argument isnt great all of these fucking guys have infinite money AND they pay nothing anyways

[fathom girder]

i also have infinite money

ever heard of journey mode

it's just the thought that counts

[hollow harness]

my brother in Christ infinite money came free with your non-consumable boss summons

[rich ginkgo]

would you rather have them consumable?

no?

ok shut up

[hollow harness]

???

[vocal kelp]

anyways we think itd be better narratively if instead of joining you and becoming an npc at the end of her fight the world exploded for no reason

[fathom girder]

Infinite money came free with your fucking xbox

[rich ginkgo]

you should have to write her like a really long apology letter and contact draedon to locate her so you can send it over to wherever she’s at

[fathom girder]

No I'm capturing her and forcing her to pay rent

[rich ginkgo]

and then there’s a 30% chance she accepts your apology and she lives at your base and “pays rent”

[dull heart]

hey guess what vanilla NPCs do

[fathom girder]

TRUE ACTUALLY 1.4.5 w

That goddamn truffle will show up every single day in hardmode until you make a mushroom biome and leaves if you don't do it

[dull heart]

wait does he actually

idk how I feel about that

[fathom girder]

It's vaguely annoying but entirely ignorable

he still sells literally all of his stuff regardless of if you give him a house or not too so like

lol?

thanks for the autohammer idiot now go away

[rich ginkgo]

that’s amazing

no more having to build surface mushroom biomes just for the autohammer

[wide wadi]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-laugh-laughing-YdymLnBeyr70rfKqAj

[dull heart]

yeah that sucks

[fathom girder]

Truffle should kill you if you try to buy from him before he gets a home

[dull heart]

or just not sell autohammer when homeless

[cunning sequoia]

he grows a mushroom on your head that shuffles your movement

punishment because you havent bound him to the earth

[lethal kraken]

i got the mechanical bosses down but i've just suddenly been losing motivation to continue this one playthrough again so i may just put it on pause for now, if i do more terraria it might be the journey mode zenith seed ranger one

[rich ginkgo]

thanks for the update

[amber furnace]

np

[lethal kraken]

the skipper apparation

[main falcon]

I thought it could be interesting if calamitas had missions to become an npc

Kinda like the boss missions sea king will have

But it's all stuff you would have alredy done by the point

[fathom girder]

yeah she should show up and tell you "Hail, hero, today I need thirteen torches and then I might CONSIDER becoming a townsperson"

[main falcon]

Like making a house in the ashen biome or killing the brimstone elemental

She would ask you to do that and then realize that you alredy did

Fake missions that you have to tell her you alredy did after finding her as a wanderer

[fathom girder]

I think I like my torch idea better

really hammers home the uselessness of the idea

hehe

[cobalt wharf]

it’s actually so fucking annoying

he doesn’t skip a SINGLE day

[fathom girder]

LET ME INNNNNNNNNNNNN

[main falcon]

He wants that house

I actually never made him a home in cal when not needing piñonite

Until I realized that you can use the mushroom planetoid and it counts

Free troufle state

[final pine]

wait

you can use the mushroon planetoid?

[main falcon]

Yea

[cunning nacelle]

roller skates are so fun

i love them

[fathom girder]

think about it

is it a mushroom biome that is aboveground?

[blazing flint]

Hello Fellow Terrarians i have a qestion me and my friend are playing Calamity infernum with the Wrath of the Gods and Hunt of the Old gods how do we spawn the mechanical uprising? (PLS HELP)

[honest vine]

when you in womb and yo name bouta be eugine

[fathom girder]

I'd just give up then and there

[dusk bronze]

i believe you misclicked the channel

[fathom girder]

no he spammed this in mod talk too

[dusk bronze]

[fathom girder]

people will go anywhere but where they're supposed to go because

...I shouldn't be mean

[vestal osprey]

Calamity brainstorm at least tomarrow

[honest vine]

how did we get here

[fathom girder]

that is hell

you've created hell

[honest vine]

i dont think hell has the zoologist

that would make it heaven

[fathom girder]

it's hazbin hotel hell

[vestal osprey]

This is a trypophobia nightmare

[fathom girder]

the bottom part looks like tendrils

it's lovecraftian

[vestal osprey]

Is this the ultimite hardest seed or has that have yet to be found

[lean relic]

3 are still undiscovered

so no, not hardest

[prisma wren]

That seed is missing dual dungeons generation, so there's still more

[fathom girder]

the hardest seed would be a skyblock world with too easy and a few others I think

[vestal osprey]

Still? I thought someone would of decompiled the code by now

[hasty tangle]

i dont think decompiling would do anything

at least if the secret seeds work the way i think they do

[vestal osprey]

Is that not how we found out the names? Or was there another method we used

[hasty tangle]

i would assume that any string you input gets hashed

so you wouldnt be able to know what it is by reading the sourcecode, as it would only check for a matching hash

(this is just my guess, i dont know for certain)

[vestal osprey]

What are the 3 missing seeds?

Also i pose whatever yhe hardest seed is, we call it fractul hopes

Cause... will a seed combining EVERYTHING even be beatable?

[hasty tangle]

[vestal osprey]

Also would the hardest seed nessesarly be the one that combines them all?

[hasty tangle]

[vestal osprey]

Can you react in anything other then emotes?

[hasty tangle]

j

[vestal osprey]

I was hoping you say one with squidward saying no

[hasty tangle]

its hard to make conclusive statements without knowing all the evidence

[lean relic]

• Hallow on the surface
• Portal Gun in chests
• Dual Dungeon (only discovered in mobile)

[vestal osprey]

Have we tried doing portal references for portal guns in chest?

[hasty tangle]

i assume thats what people have been trying

[lean relic]

oh community already did a lot lol

[vestal osprey]

Well thats the best of my help

[hasty tangle]

anyone know if this is right though

for why its not as simple as just looking in the source code

[vestal osprey]

Wait i have an idea

Has anyone just... tried asking rediget for the remaining codes?

[hasty tangle]

theres no way he would give them out that freely

maybe if people still hadnt found them in like a month

but definitely not now

[vestal osprey]

Theres got to he a limit of how long the search will go

[hasty tangle]

yeah, maybe eventually

[dull heart]

this world's dungeon pallate goes kinda hard

(drunk world)

[fathom girder]

I love the decorations

[blazing field]

pallate

didnt know the dungeon could taste things thats fucked up

[buoyant pulsar]

calamity keeping true melee alive 🔥

[hot knot]

wha

[buoyant pulsar]

this

ohhhh thats what that bladestaff screenshot was

roots seems genuinely so sick

is there a more full description of it, that i can maybe send to some friends??

[dull heart]

uhh

from the github

Roots is a mod that seeks to re-imagine the Terraria experience by building on core concepts from older versions of Terraria that were lost in the modern game.

Roots does not add any new content of it's own, but greatly adjusts vanilla terraria content. It makes changes to 19 accessories, 17 weapons, 3 enemies, and one boss.
These changes fall under these sweeping changes:
- Removal of class-specific damage, and rebalancing of all gear to match
- Review and adjustments of all weapons to fit into a more tightly-planned weapon design philosophy
- Changes to the Mana system to be a more valuable resource
- Adjusting enemy and boss AI to be more unique, while still fitting into the vanilla game

[buoyant pulsar]

sick, ty

[dull heart]

im gonna push a v. 0.1 beta to the workshop soon

[vivid hemlock]

[dull heart]

once i finish renaming all the internal names from Roots to RootsBeta

[unique warren]

So I tried to make ideas for a mod I would do for weapon rebalancing and I accidentally made meowmere true melee

Idk how to feel about that

[buoyant pulsar]

meowmere as a weapon confuses and upsets me

the epitome of projectile melee

that and star wrath

[unique warren]

Ehhhh

The epitome of projectile sword yes

But nothing beats Scourge, or Daybreak, or like… shadow flame knives

Or vampire knives

Or the Zenith tbh.

[steep path]

i like this seed

[lusty thicket]

discovered secret seeds added in 1.4.5 will be added to the secret seed menu in next update so you can toggle them in terraria

[amber egret]

what the Fuck

[unique warren]

A little silly yeah

[amber egret]

you also saw this

[steep path]

love it or hate it this is the ideal way to play terraria

needs more dual dungeons though...

[lusty thicket]

hmm its missing drunk world to make it more funny

[frail owl]

hi there

[true solstice]

new seeds look horrifying

[rich ginkgo]

what the fuck am i looking at

it looks like that one terraria 2 map concept that red made

from a couple years ago

[amber egret]

sorbet cafe is not happy about people being able to craft from chests from a bit away because it quote messes with how people interact with the game ?

[hasty tangle]

mmmmm strawman

[true solstice]

im so used to magic storage i like the change

[hasty tangle]

yummy

[amber egret]

if i may ask how so, and from what point

im quoting them

well. half quoting. its a 50 second clip

[naive geyser]

Does calamity do 1.4.5 yet?

[amber egret]

No

it wont until October

if its Earlier than October, then So

[naive geyser]

Ok thanks

[dull heart]

what they are unhappy about is it effectively removing most of the depth within the game's storage

[amber egret]

what depth was there though

[dull heart]

managing chest locations, sorting, etc

just because you may not enjoy that depth doesn't mean others didn't

[amber egret]

i mean i get the idea of the joy and whimsy of rifling through chests and having it all neat and organized

but if they want the old system, they are able to disable it no

[versed heart]

Didn't Sorbet specifically address that in their video?

[amber egret]

i believe they did but they were very brief

(i didnt remember it. my point is now null and void)

[dull heart]

just disable it is the worst argument ever

you could also just manually get items out of chests even without disabling it

but like... why

that's like saying "exo box is too strong" "just dont' use it then"

[deft lily]

Who is Sorbet.

?

[dull heart]

youtuber

[deft lily]

Oh.

[fierce hearth]

I did like thoroughly sorting things but if I'm gonna be honest, the change is overall an improvement for QoL. It's something a lot of people have wanted for years, and have repeatedly modded into the game. You can still sort, and I still do, just not as intensely.

[amber egret]

this is a. semi-valid argument?
if you consider something bad and have the option to not use it, this does not undermine the existance of the other thing being powerful, but you can remove the option to do so, for either self beneficial reasons or for "challenge"(?)

[deft lily]

Ohh this guy.

I've seen a few of his vids pop up in my feed but I never bothered to watch them.

[dull heart]

if it was just about their own enjoyment maybe

[amber egret]

like if i said that a ramdash is a very powerful thing, then yeah thats just an basic statement
if i said a ramdash is too powerful, a valid option could legitimately be "don't use the item"

[dull heart]

but it's about the design of the game as a whole

he quoted the whole idea that "players will optimize the fun out of things" before that for a reason

[dull heart]

only if you're saying "i find a ram dash not fun", not "a ramdash is bad for the game as a whole"

my understanding is sorbet was addressing "bad for the game as a whole" a lot

in that case, "just don't use it" is not at all a good argument

[amber egret]

i dont understand how its bad for the game as a whole though

thats the part im failing to understand

if their point is "i dont want people to just spam chests everywhere and stuff their stuff into it" then maybe???

[fierce hearth]

It further disincentivizes creating a nice living space

Something the game has historically always struggled with, but has made a few changes to promote it (NPC happiness, pylons, torch luck, etc)

[unique warren]

Truth nuke

[vocal kelp]

nooot really? It doesn't add any incentives that didn't already exist

You already wanted your chests to be as close as possible so u could use their content while opened

If anything, by having far more range, it allows the qol to both exist and be more flexible

[fierce hearth]

I actually forgot about that. It's a twofold change in that regard. You don't care as much about how you store items, but you're a lot more free with where you store them.

[vocal kelp]

We don't think inventory management adds any value to terraria specifically so we frankly disregard the first thing entirely

Players who want to find their items to take them out and use them elsewhere still want to sort their chests, hell, the change only really affects the storage of materials specifically

If anything you're given an incentive to sort things such that all your materials are close to your crafting stations and content that can't be used that way is elsewhere to save space for as many materials as possible

We disagree with sorbet's arguments because very little about terraria has ever been about inventory management and we simply do not think they benefit the game in any way

[unique warren]

Y’know, it’s easier than I expected to make melee more close range focused

[vocal kelp]

You're already given an absurd amount of slots, high stacks, a second inventory super early

Being able to craft without opening and closing fifty sorted chests is extending that same thing

And we simply don't think terraria benefits from that gameplay at all

It's pure tedium in a game where the friction is better put elsewhere

in a game like Minecraft inventory management matters far more and there are much better reasons to not fully remove that friction

[unique warren]

Like aside from… half of the melee “others”, shockingly easy

[dusky hinge]

I do also believe the argument "don't use it then" is genuinely far stronger when it's in the context of a quality of life change.

unless they're upset that other people now don't also have to sort their chests, which is a seperate issue to me

[dull heart]

imo

the chest change should have the same range as the crafting station access range

i think the range it has rn is way too big

[unique warren]

I think like a tile or two more or less would be fine too

Just around that size

[dull heart]

oh

steam workshop needs steam moderation approval now

i forgor

[vocal kelp]

Can't wait for brainstorm to happen and calamity comes down for five seconds

It's going to be great

Nothing bad can happen

[dusky hinge]

I think it could probably be a little smaller, but at the same time I use magic storage for every playthrough specifically because of how much I don't like interfacing with storage in this game

[unique warren]

Oh also starfury and starwrath are a pain

[dull heart]

(roots beta is published but needs verification first)

[unique warren]

I see

[vocal kelp]

u guys are aware of the update thing i assume

[dull heart]

yeah

[vocal kelp]

Is there a plan

Or a thing you guys can do

[dull heart]

we just need to let tmod know when cal updates so it gets verified fast

[teal bone]

there is a plan

[vocal kelp]

That doesn't sound super fun for tmod

[dull heart]

it is what it is

[teal bone]

not much we can do besides not update

[dull heart]

they'd rather manually verify cal when it releases then have cal go offline

[lapis oak]

rare sagi hiiiiii

[amber egret]

properly rewatched the video

[teal bone]

hiya

[meager escarp]

hi

[vocal kelp]

Well obviously

It'd be genuinely catastrophic

[meager escarp]

do yall know when tmod's gonna upgrade to 1.4.5

[amber egret]

not sure how to phrase my opinion

[amber egret]

october

if sooner, then

[meager escarp]

oh

[teal bone]

still workin on da mod! just not as much to tease as we get closer to brainstorm

[vocal kelp]

6-7 months minimum

[buoyant pulsar]

at least daybreak is rlly cool and actually leans into it. although i think it should have been a spear instead of a javelin, with some kind of lunge attack. zenith is dumb as hell its not even a sword

[fathom girder]

yeah but what about true copper shortsword

that's real btw

like in vanilla

[buoyant pulsar]

how it feels seeing relogic add qol slop to base game

[amber egret]

horrid opinion, personally

[fathom girder]

how dare they make their game better

make storage have skill based matchmaking

[pearl sentinel]

"Quality of life slop" son

Sorry

"Quality of life slop" daughter

Be so fr

[amber egret]

sorbet appears unhappy with relogic mildly streamlining the parts of the game that incentivized varied play with the recent update

[unique warren]

Daybreak is the worst of these imo, at least for vanilla

[amber egret]

if i. read this right???

[unique warren]

But that might just be cause you’re super likely to use it in comparison to the others

[amber egret]

i get hte general idea of it but like. it moreso feels like having a baseline and then doing more = more gained

[teal bone]

In fairness roller skates in particular are

[pearl sentinel]

I dont like that they made the spider gear require mythril anvil

[amber egret]

oh yea no roller skates are nuts

[teal bone]

quite something

[buoyant pulsar]

i liked having to find ur shit out of chests. god forbid i enjoy actually needing to think and organize

[grim pecan]

why do they work with wings

[pearl sentinel]

What were they thinking

[amber egret]

hehe movement

[buoyant pulsar]

because powercreep

we need to have our better frogleg hermes boots super mutant hybrid

[amber egret]

you sound very hatred

[buoyant pulsar]

plus 60 billion projectile melee reworks and nothing for mage

[teal bone]

in that dev pt some of us talked about I freed up 2 otherwise best in slot movement accs when I realized using roller skates 24/7 was the best thing to do lol

[amber egret]

i think you should be able to craft the wand of sparking Personally

[buoyant pulsar]

also lets gut darts for no reason because god forbid ranger have any actually mechanically interesting weapons be meta

[amber egret]

mechanically interesting
dart

[grim pecan]

my only issue with the crafting UI is that it's not very optimized. if they improved the performance of it i'd have no problems

it's currently the only time in vanilla that i actually drop frames

[amber egret]

correct me if im wrong but the only viable dart weapons right in hardmode are like

guns

you are shooting bullets that kinda also do other stuff (that are later also done)

[pearl sentinel]

Hi sunny I dont think I've seen u before im bad at remembering people but also new people exist sometimes

[vocal kelp]

We mean most ranger weapons are like guns

Bows are guns but the bullet has Gravity

Its uh

Like yeah the projectile behavior tends to be what matters kinda yeah

Like we understand what u mean but its kinda moot

Because the darts unique effect still gives the weapon a distinct way of using it

[grim pecan]

the dart weapons didn't actually matter that much, it was the darts themselves that were strong. most speedrunners used blowgun because the darts were the main draw

[vocal kelp]

Yeah

[amber egret]

i just dont get how its That big of a blow

[fathom girder]

it's because there's nothing else to be angry at

[pearl sentinel]

Spider gear requiring mythril anvil

[fathom girder]

so oh no guys there's a minor thing that got nerfed it's all over

[grim pecan]

this is not true i'm angry they nerfed lightning

[amber egret]

yeah thats actually a, while detractive, somewhat correct thing

[amber egret]

you made your spider gear with a regular anvil

WITHOUT calamity

vanilla.

[fathom girder]

that takes like two seconds

[grim pecan]

i want to die from being struck by lightning like a true red blooded american

[fathom girder]

You still can!

You just have to try a little harder

[grim pecan]

🦅

[pearl sentinel]

It only needed a regular one right

[amber egret]

cant you just run at sparking trees

[amber egret]

yeah but it worked with a t2

[pearl sentinel]

Yeah but

Yeah???

[amber egret]

yea but what man

[pearl sentinel]

Why wouldn't it work with t2 😭

[amber egret]

them putting the Hardmode Item with Hardmode Stats to a Hardmode Anvil is Not a problem

i dont know why allowing it to Stay on the T1 anvil was so life changing

i am a fan of the upgraded mining and fishing set

[fathom girder]

people need to remember that getting angry over the smallest little things helps no one and makes them look dumb

[amber egret]

that is something a #fan of

[deft lily]

Meh
You cant satisfy everyone 🤷‍♂️

[amber egret]

i mean their point is like

mortar and cobblestones??

its somewhat solid, but there are visible problems with it

like yeah, as a game you want your players to play the game

[deft lily]

Even if their point is, very very mundane

[amber egret]

but you also want them to like. gain from their gameplay experience

if a person wants to just surf through the game, they can do that

if a person wants to stop and smell the roses, they are also Rewarded for Stopping and Rosesmelling

there are a few nitpicks (rain and wind not occuring before one life crystal (pointless change, its not a major event, if THUNDERSTORMS were post a crystal then Yeah))

[lapis oak]

me too

(I've not experienced it)

[amber egret]

(((but also i can understand the idea, just not the consequence of the action)))

[versed heart]

It is kinda weird how trees will basically be comepletely still untill someone has useda life crystal, tbf
Still only a tiny nitpick, though

[amber egret]

like. at hte most fucking base point, Wind brings One scary new enemy and Flying Slimes, and rain has The Fuck You Beam

so yeah gluing it behind the "hey i can get to a place and mine things" rock is Fine???

[arctic cliff]

yknow what they should do as a qol change

[amber egret]

more Hamsters