calamity-update-talk

[tribal isle]

magic storage is overrated you'll need like 5 regular chests max for a playthrough

[desert garnet]

Yes

[polar tide]

there is now ❤️

[pale silo]

Ever since 1.4.4 released afaia

[empty ridge]

i don't like the look of it and it seems like it would drop my frames a lot

[pale silo]

You are the magic storage

[desert garnet]

Thats why cal removed auto fire from most weapons it added

[mystic eagle]

I actually interact with the base game's mechanics and exploration

[dull heart]

gasp

[pale silo]

and the angler

[dull heart]

can't believe people actually play the game

[tribal isle]

sounds lame

[ivory lark]

anyone here play terraria :p

[empty ridge]

go ask in a server with people who do

[pale silo]

Btw has anyone ever not been able to craft PDA because of no radar?

[mystic eagle]

#multiplayer-looking-to-play you're a dev you should know that smh

[pale silo]

I have everything but radar

[woeful yarrow]

Any good analyzer

[empty ridge]

i honestly never make pda/cell

[tribal isle]

where are multiplayer hookups

[polar tide]

i have never actually played terraria my 1.2k hours are from opening the game and getting too scared to go past the title screen

[twin juniper]

30 angler quests in and I still got only weather radio here

[pale silo]

I'm accidentally doing so

[mystic eagle]

Why do you have several Hollow Knight mods

[dull heart]

same but 5000

[pale silo]

Blame gold net req for lava fiahing

To get hellstone net

[ivory lark]

This is really true. I only play it modded because I'm afraid it'll take more than 5 minutes to fight my first boss

[woeful yarrow]

I'm hollow knight fan

[tribal isle]

are there any good hollow knight mods out there

[mystic eagle]

Xenoblade 1 players spending more time on the title screen than playing the game be like:

[woeful yarrow]

AAA only vanities

[polar tide]

so glad to know i'm not alone ❤️ we'll play terraria someday guys

[pale silo]

It is quite the scary game tbh

[primal badge]

it is horrifying

it doesn't get any less scary after you actually start either,,,

[polar tide]

tofu

[wise bolt]

i open the game i fal asleep

[polar tide]

tofu spotted

[dull heart]

mining blocks boo

[polar tide]

killing instantly

[wise bolt]

killed once again

[polar tide]

:)

[wise bolt]

[dull heart]

honestly

vanilla eoc is kinda peak

[woeful yarrow]

I'm being shit about spamming help request on the server

[viral merlin]

I'm so special I'll play the update only after it gets ported to tmod and calamity updates

Vanilla is just so shit and boring without mods I can't play it anymore

No matter how many updates it gets

[tall lance]

any news regarding tmod 1.4.5?

[mystic eagle]

You haven't even played the update so you can't give a valid opinion about it

[crimson arrow]

it will take less than 9 months for full port, and maybe faster release of preview build, thats it

[final berry]

so I dont exactly know how mods mesh with terraria game versions, will a new calamity update need to be released for it to be compatible with 1.4.5

[tall lance]

woah wtf

[viral merlin]

I've did the exact same thing when shimmer was added because I don't find vanilla any fun

[final berry]

oh well if there isnt tmod for 1.4.5 yet i gues it doesnt matter

[crimson arrow]

probably preview around may

[tall lance]

last time they released an update didnt it release with a tmod update as well?

[crimson arrow]

wdym? Calamity?

[tall lance]

no tmod

[crimson arrow]

No they will release 2.1 on 1.4.4

[mystic eagle]

Prejudiced I see.

Very well then.

[crimson arrow]

nah 1.4.4 full port took 9 months, they released a preview build tho

[final berry]

also, is tmodloader officialy supported by relogic, or is it a fan creation?

[crimson arrow]

they made huge changes to the code and some components, you can check the tmod discord

there was an announcement

[viral merlin]

Don't get me wrong the update might be good I just can't get myself to play vanilla after all the stuff modding has

[hollow harness]

Acknowledged as DLC content in the Steam page for Terraria

[tall lance]

that was the 1.4.4 port

[hollow harness]

Developed by the tML Team

[tall lance]

i pray the 1.4.5 port is just a couple of months

[balmy plover]

Random query:
has the exo obelisk/monolith I made been replaced yet?

[viral merlin]

No post ml content ruins it for me

[hollow harness]

6-10 months

[crimson arrow]

I mean they will release a preview build/beta way earlier, I would guess around may, thats when all the moders can start porting their mods

[tall lance]

😔

[crimson arrow]

so you will see many small mods be already usable, like magic storage and so on

[tall lance]

tbh the terraria update is kinda small for a huge dev time so thats why its kinda sad

[crimson arrow]

I would have loved if they gave access to the game files way earlier to the tmod dev team

[tall lance]

the calamity 1.4 port update was fast if i remember

[crimson arrow]

but they never want to spoil anything, so thats that

[hollow harness]

I mean, chickenbones, a tmod dev is also a terraria dev

[tall lance]

im gonna take a guess

the way 1.4.5 is structured it feels like it opened a lot of new doors for new updates

so if re logic will continue updating then they really gotta start giving tmod devs access as well

[crimson arrow]

As long as they dont want to work on 1.4.6 or 1.5, they will now focus on crossplatform support

[tall lance]

oh yeah

but i feel like 1.4.6 or 1.5 will happen

[crimson arrow]

so we will be stuck with 1.4.5 for quite a while, if not forever

[prisma cipher]

my second build of 1.4.5

[crimson arrow]

Maybe, maybe not, I still wish they would implement some kind of superhardmode

or like a newgame+ after beating ML

[tall lance]

i feel like they need to work on existing structures and biomes a lil more

but id rather have terraria 2 than them updating the game cause terraria 2 can be a clean restart

they did mention they wanted to work on a terraria 2 ish game a long time ago

[crimson arrow]

But honestly, regardless of when and whether a major update is released again, tMod will have been updated by then, with many new features added, and all the mod developers will have had so much time to create such awesome content that by then, the mod content will have surpassed the vanilla content anyway

[lethal kraken]

Rad

[tall lance]

im glad calamity is getting a full on clean restart

[crimson arrow]

Yes, that was a very long time ago, and then they wasted time with Otherworld. There is hardly any information about Terraria 2, just a concept art of the world by red, but that was also about 4 years ago

[tall lance]

its sad the big portion of the dev team left because of problems that (afaik) are fixed now

[crimson arrow]

As far as I know, the “problem” was only the lead developer

[tall lance]

yea exactly idk alot about the drama and i dont want to but im glad that the dev team seems to be healthier now

[fathom girder]

god DAMN

Terraria 2 was cancelled btw

like it was cancelled a few months into development

[dusty tinsel]

Wasn't that otherworld

[vocal kelp]

Why are we lying

[dusk drum]

Terraria otherworld

[vocal kelp]

Terraria 2 has never even been In development

[dusk drum]

Terraria 2 they all the same

[dusty tinsel]

No

It's like how subnautica 2 exists yet sub Zero also exists

[vocal kelp]

when people say terraria 2 you'd hope they're referring to the conceptual thing red posted that map image about

While otherworld is obviously another thing

[lean relic]

God its boulder everywhere

[dusty tinsel]

Otherworld can't even be considered terraria 2 it never got finished so it's not counted

[pale silo]

terraria 0.5

[tropic jolt]

terraria 1.5

bloons terraria defense 1.6?

[arctic cliff]

im gonna ask some important questions about other people's opinion

and that is

what do you think of Otherworld's artstyle?
Like as it looked like in the various teasers shown of it before cancellation?

[crimson arrow]

not a fan

[amber furnace]

I don't like t

it

[crimson arrow]

I dont even know what I would like Terraria 2 to look like

I like the artstyle of Terraria as it is

Maybe more VFX and bigger worlds

but VFX is already part of Terraria and its modding community

just give me superhardmode and more bosses and I am happy

I think that was really the coolest thing when I first got into Terraria. You play, kill the WoF, and think you're the strongest, but no sir, suddenly so many strong enemies spawn and you feel like you've been reset, and then the new phase begins. I wish that would happen again during the progression, after Moonlord, but that would require more bosses, more biomes, and space would become tight, even on large worlds, although Calamity already makes good use of it

[floral pier]

are 1.4.5 changes otw?

like

being accounted for when brainstorm drops

[misty wren]

no

[crimson arrow]

2.1 is going to be released for 1.4.4

port follows later

[dull heart]

1.4.5 will be adjusted for when we port to 1.4.5 and no sooner

[misty wren]

they'll be accounted for when tmod actually ports to 1.4.5

[floral pier]

port takes a long time i assume no

[dull heart]

depends

[crimson arrow]

the tmod port yes

[dull heart]

the longest part will probably be waiting for tmodloader to get a preview ready

[floral pier]

i remember when calamity didnt port to 1.4 until like 2 years later

[crimson arrow]

I dont remember calamity to take so long to port

[floral pier]

then again yall had to figure out how to balance summoner after whips annihilated meta

[crimson arrow]

it was always bound to the tmod port

[frail owl]

probably because tmod 1.4 wasn't available until then

[floral pier]

2 years after update

[fathom girder]

doze can you do this for roots to make potions less op

[crimson arrow]

are you sure? I dont remember waiting that long, I played calamity on the tmod preview branch

[frail owl]

guess what? it's still a perennial issue

[dull heart]

1.4 port took a long time for calamity

1.4.4 didn't take too long

[frail owl]

multiplicative tag damage fucked up the balance

[crimson arrow]

yeah I do not remember tbh, maybe I was not that eager back then to play modded

or terraria in general

[dull heart]

Actually I doubled healing potions power

In roots

sorry

[fathom girder]

tch

[dull heart]

But I murdered natural health regen

[fathom girder]

literally the worst future

terraria but regen is like dark souls regen(useless)

[floral pier]

forget the whips LOOK AT OOA ARMOR

[crimson arrow]

Are there any other changes for 2.1 that haven't been posted on the channel, but are now awaiting the update?

[floral pier]

brainstorm adds mostly weapon reworks like dd right

[crimson arrow]

The fact that you can switch between Expert and Master mode in-game is simply huge

[high scaffold]

When BS releases I might actualy become a gravity globe adept

[floral pier]

wheres the BS changelog? i know they announced it awhile ago

[high scaffold]

Changelogs will happen upon update release

[crimson arrow]

You can already take a look into the changelogs channel if you are interested

[floral pier]

OH YEAH THEY ADDED CALCLONE ARENA

my brains been kinda rotten from playing infernum though 🥀

i wonder if i should just play vanilla this time

[high scaffold]

Existing changelogs arent the most trustworthy source of info tho

[wide nova]

lowkey ive been having a harder time playing 1.4.5 vanilla terraria than any modded playthu i have ever went thru

[crimson arrow]

Yes, I'm considering it too, but I'm just spoiled by the mods

[crimson arrow]

I never claimed that, but it gives you an initial idea of what to expect

[wide nova]

i cant wait for u users to play 2.1 brain

[high scaffold]

No ultra op "QoL" mods?

[wide nova]

i use alchnpc thats all

veinminer is for pansies

[dull heart]

no

Regen is still good

[high scaffold]

Idk I like first tried all the mechs on master

[dull heart]

it's just not inherent to the character anymore

[fathom girder]

oh

so you have to build into it

gotchu

[high scaffold]

New mechs tracks are so fire actualy

[unique warren]

Opinion on hellstone being preboss in vanilla now

[crimson arrow]

I always find it funny when people use an excavator/veinmeiner mod lol. Like, the game offers you everything you need: mining armor, mining potions, tons of other buffs so you can mine faster, and then you ruin your own progression by using that

[high scaffold]

Not intended to happen

[dull heart]

Yup, just like the old versions of terraria

1.0.5 and before had no natural regen

getting hit earlygame mattered because it cost resources to heal

[unique warren]

Are you sure

[dull heart]

Band of Regen was actually valuable

[fathom girder]

so valhalla set is goated

[high scaffold]

There were like "we are going to add hellstone to the lava crates for skyblock but they wont be available before intended because you need lavaproof bug net" and forgot about golden bug net

[unique warren]

Perhaps

[high scaffold]

Expect either a crate being adjusted to work that way only post evil boss or an adjustment to golden bug net

[unique warren]

I’d say the later is good

Golden bug net is like… whatever

[high scaffold]

I wonder if vanila calamity music mech boss tracks will be adjusted to account for vanila tracks

[unique warren]

Honestly all the tracks I’ve heard so far are great

People have hated on the cultist one but I feel like that’s just out of lack of appreciation for more ambient and atmospheric tracks

[pale silo]

Lava net needs the hell crates anyways no?

As it's the only source for hellstone

Minus lava rod

Iirc only 3 ways to fish in lava

[unique warren]

Golden bug net

[pale silo]

Yeah

[high scaffold]

But golden bug net also can catch lava critters

[pale silo]

But I mean actual affecting fishing type

[unique warren]

No?

You can use hell bait

[pale silo]

Using lava critter and fire rod and lava accessory as an example gives a massive boost to lava fishing

I mean

[grave rock]

hii

[pale silo]

But 2/3 is either gold net, or lava critter locked

[unique warren]

That’s not the point at all 😭

[pale silo]

Hell net is not obtainable pre lava fishing

[unique warren]

The point is that you can get hellstone at all

[pale silo]

Thus it is literally useless

Was hotline hm lock or Tron lock?

Ive forgotten

[grave rock]

i defeated deerclops early (fun boss when A RANDOM CLAW DOESNT SPAWN ON TOP OF YOU GRAHHH) and id like to give a massive apology to the Bone Helm

[mystic ruin]

hi guys im trying to plan my game schedule for the next few weeks, i heard about a new update arriving soon, when does it drop ?

[grave rock]

its actually rly solid

[pale silo]

Within the next month

Likely mid feb

[high scaffold]

Nobody knows realy

[pale silo]

Maybe late feb

[unique warren]

One of three pre-HM all class damage accessories

[high scaffold]

Someday in feb

[unique warren]

So yeah kinda goated a little

[grave rock]

im hoping itll do well vs brain and eow

[unique warren]

It probably will

It’s just an issue that, imo, Deerclops should be like… as hard as EoC

[floral pier]

i read this like a clash royale deck 😭😭😭 2.1 brain cycle

[grave rock]

its literally just the random shadow hands fault IMO

[unique warren]

Ehhh

[misty wren]

ive never really struggled with deerclops

[unique warren]

Could be that it has 3x health idk

Just a thought

[grave rock]

oh ye shes rly tanky

[misty wren]

its intended to be skeletron tier

[grave rock]

skeletron tier deerclops is dumb

[misty wren]

i dont know why but it is

[grave rock]

aint no one using her drops for wall or skelly

[unique warren]

Me when weather pain is only moderately worth it

And that’s it

[misty wren]

idk pewmatic is actually pretty good iirc

[grave rock]

iirc pewmatic is decent-ish time on skeletron if you get lucky

[misty wren]

i have trauma from a multiplayer playthrough where we had to kill deerclops like 30 times to get her trophy

[grave rock]

lucy is just

lol

uhhh hondius isnt that bad but

why use it aftergetting a ballista???

[unique warren]

It’s like

[mystic ruin]

okok, ty

[unique warren]

Nearly the exact same DPS as other sentries 😭

[mystic eagle]

It's barely classified as viable

[grave rock]

just keep gambling

[floral pier]

bro WHO tiered deerclops at skeletron

he’s before skeletron and even then his drops are kinda ass

[lethal kraken]

nice got my desert key and then the magic conch :)

[high scaffold]

Honestly 1.4.5 brought some realy incredible balance changes

[mystic eagle]

Zapinator's much stronger than Pew-Matic, I'd rather gamble using that instead.

[high scaffold]

They buffed the space gun

And gave it a special effect

So it might be actualy worth using now

And also gave the same effect to laser rifle and made it inherit meteorite armor set effect

[earnest zephyr]

deerclops is really easy now with starcrash + ballista rod. You can get 3 ballistas with OOA gear, and starcrash is like firecracker where it does 2.33x damage (meteor+original hit), so you can kill Deerclops in 30 seconds

[floral pier]

laser rifle was lowkey never meta 😭

[fathom girder]

When will roots be compatible with calamity :)

[dull heart]

7 years

[unique warren]

Laser Rifle going from D to maybe B

[fathom girder]

fug

[dull heart]

roots will take a while to be finished

even on it's own

[unique warren]

Tf is roots

[dull heart]

Making calamity compatibility would take over twice as long as the vanilla stuff

[fathom girder]

ark of the ancients should cost 90 mana per swing

[high scaffold]

Ranger got some nice reworks in 1.4.5

[dull heart]

my mod I'm working on that is rebalancing the entirety of vanilla

[unique warren]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-drool-gif-24399822

[dull heart]

the core of it is bringing back some of the original design for terraria that was lost over the ages

[unique warren]

Oops I forgot

AWOOGA

[high scaffold]

They made shroomite helmets worth it

[dull heart]

like how classes used to make sense

[fathom girder]

(by not existing)

[unique warren]

I have a pretty good understanding of what would make terraria classes unique imo

Like yeah melee can have projectiles as long as it has just ok DPS from a range and much better damage up close

[high scaffold]

They buffed spiky balls actualy

[grave rock]

classes are a ploy by Big Wall to sell more emblems

[dull heart]

Imo dividing classes like they do is a flaw in and of itself

[unique warren]

I do not agree with that

[dull heart]

classes would work much better if they weren't based on attack style but something else

[unique warren]

Make it playstyle then

[dull heart]

no

[pearl sentinel]

i wish i could play 1.4.5 but theres an evil ghost in my computer

[dull heart]

that just makes each class play exactly the same as itself the entire playthrough

[unique warren]

Not necessarily

[fathom girder]

(linux user)

[unique warren]

Just makes it have a common theme

[grave rock]

this is why every class having a throwing knife is based

[pearl sentinel]

im not

[dull heart]

but either way terraria is better suited to just not having class distinction at all

[unique warren]

You can do the idea of “close range attacking” in many unique ways

[pearl sentinel]

theres just a ghost in my computer

[unique warren]

Okay so it seems like your mod will not be for me

[dull heart]

like, class distinction doesn't actually add anything to the game at all

[high scaffold]

Honestly is harpoon good now?
2 pierce, bleed and a velocity buff

[unique warren]

Good luck with it regardless

[dull heart]

I think you'll like it more than you think

You don't even know what it does lol

[blazing field]

remember how the jungle used to be an exclusively underground biome

[unique warren]

Class distinction is perhaps the most important part of the game for me

[blazing field]

like it was just underground jungle, surface jungle didnt exist

[dull heart]

why

what does class distinction add to the gameplay

[subtle creek]

I'm not up to date on Calamity news, I have seen the announcement that the update is planned for January/February if all goes well, will it port 1.4.5 as well?

[dull heart]

Read the pins

[unique warren]

I love love love challenge runs

[blazing field]

it was kinda cool to be honest like i'm not complaining about surface jungle existing but it being exclusively underground was interesting and a cool vibe

[unique warren]

And that means I love limiting myself

[brazen vale]

last time tmod took like a year to update

i think

[subtle creek]

Okay, gonna do that now, ty

[analog mantle]

class distinction is cool cuz it adds a feeling of categories and roles that are defined which is great for my tism

[blazing field]

i meannn u cna limit urself with classes or not tbf

[floral pier]

is there a new money glitch now that crystal dupe was patched?

[dull heart]

Good news! Roots makes that very much doable still, just less arbitrary

[tough shoal]

bruh, thats crazy

[grave rock]

i feel like part of it is that many people love categorizing things

[analog mantle]

^

[grave rock]

and like doing a certain thing and sticking to it

[unique warren]

And also classes having distinct but broad playstyles would be my goal for a roots-like mod

[dull heart]

the core idea of roots is to make weapons fall into one of a few types:

• Close ranged
• Long ranged, consumes Ammo
• Consumes Mana, does misc. things (range, high burst damage, etc)

[brazen vale]

yeah, it got updated in late 2023 to 1.4.4, and vanilla terraria 1.4.4 was realeased in late 2022

[blazing field]

Class distinction in terraria is pretty nothingburger for lack of better terms id say
not saying its bad or good but its kinda just true that classes dont really have much identity

they all play roughly the same

[brazen vale]

just wait for someone to make a mod that will imitate 1.4.5 features

[fathom girder]

every time I see someone ask if calamity will go to 1.4.5 for brainstorm I understand umbara more and more

[grave rock]

~~did u kill summoner ~~

[unique warren]

Which is smth that can be fixed instead of erasing class distinctions IMO

[dull heart]

Summoner is in the costs Mana camp

Lemme find the video

[blazing field]

it's easier said than done tbh

[unique warren]

Oh totally

[unique warren]

But a harder solution can mean a better result too

Not necessarily of course

[blazing field]

people still struggle with making modded classes actually feel unique to this day

alotta modded classes are kinda. the same thing as the vanilla ones also

[grave rock]

i may give roots a try
honestly something i just wish in every mod is seeing enemies that are Actually Designed

[unique warren]

That’s cause it would make it feel too different from the vanilla classes, which most content mods don’t distinctly change

[high scaffold]

They made broken armor applicable to enemies for 20 armor penetration in vanila

[blazing field]

i love my figher ais and i love my projectile enemies

[dull heart]

By "erasing class distinction" I specifically mean deleting the damage types of them so that gear can instead cater to specific playstyles or effects to make it unique instead of just happening to give different type of damage

[grave rock]

a lot of terraria enemies arent Designed if ygm

[high scaffold]

But its a paladin hammer only feature for now

[unique warren]

Yeah I’m sorry but I don’t think that will be smth I like

[dull heart]

ie, Turtle armor now boosts physical attacks (non-Mana attacks) against enemies closer than 25 tiles

[unique warren]

Again, no hate, good luck with the mod

[dull heart]

instead of boosting only weapons that arbitrarily have Melee assigned to them

[desert garnet]

thats actually cool

[unique warren]

Then don’t make melee an arbitrary distinction

[grave rock]

can u send a link to the mod? i caant find it

if its playable ofc

[dull heart]

it's not on workshop

[grave rock]

oh?

[dull heart]

it's unfinished, there's a beta on its GitHub that can be downloaded though

I'll probably push a workshop beta build today sometime

[unique warren]

I think I do have a pretty hyper specific view of what classes should be and it doesn’t entirely align with what others think

Even with Rogue

[grave rock]

fighter ai gamin

[dull heart]

so far Roots:

• removes class specific damage
• reworks every class specific armor set besides Lunar armors
• makes Minions cost max mana to spawn beyond your minion slot cap
• makes "Projectile Melee" consume mana to fire the projectile. Without Mana, the sword still works up close
• reworks Mana Flower and all its upgrades.
• Reworks Fairy Boots
• reworks Angry Trapper and Man Eater ai
• reworks King Slime
• makes Ammo more scarce
• removes base regen but buffs healing potions

[unique warren]

I kinda see the vision I suppose

[fathom girder]

I think it's a very neat idea

allows for a lot of variety

[dull heart]

Lunar armors will get reworked too I was just lazy

[grave rock]

random unrelated question

are the ore slimes skyblock exclusive?

[dull heart]

(and roots is super super configurable)

[fathom girder]

like true melee builds can spawn a bunch of summons because they won't be using their mana anyway

same for gunners

YO doze are whips gonna be made as standalone weapons

They already work with feral claws and its upgrades

[grave rock]

the avalonization of terraria..........

[unique warren]

I see what you mean but also just

So opposite of what I would want 😭

[rotund charm]

idk

[fathom girder]

Roots as a mod collapses because this one guy doesn't like it

shaking in my boots

[dull heart]

they still do summon tags

[fathom girder]

gotchu

[grave rock]

ok it seems theyre skyblock exclusive

[fathom girder]

I was wondering if summoner exclusive stuff would be axed cuz those are technically class related

[dull heart]

they shouldn't be, they weren't before

but idk maybe 1.4.5 made them exclusive

[grave rock]

i meant

hardmode ore, i shoulda clarified

[dull heart]

damage types kind of still exists

just not on a per-weapon basis

[fathom girder]

I see

[dull heart]

take Terra Blade - the main swing doesn't cost mana, the projectile does

therefore the main swing is counted as Physical while the projectile is counted as Mana

obsidian armor still specifically boosts Whip range

but the arbitratry distictions that couldn't be seen without reading the tooltip? gone

stuff like Sky Fracture looking like a melee but being a mage

[fathom girder]

duke whip will go hard as a more universal weapon

in five years when 1.4.5 roots is being developed

[grave rock]

obsidian armor with melee size bonuses would go hard :3

[dull heart]

and then for stuff that boosted Ranged vs Melee damage before

i often went for "close range" vs "far range" damage

Molten armor boosts close range damage, Necro armor boosts long range damage

[fathom girder]

Does mana based damage count as long range

[unique warren]

If I were to make classes distinct I’d do this:
melee: can have projectiles, but are emphasized by low or no damage at range and high damage up close
Ranger: direct opposites increased damage at range
Mage: on and off attacking, doing absurdly high damage at any range but having a cooldown to regen mana, prioritizing finding opportunities to stay still to regen faster
Summoner: actually genuinely no clue. Perhaps a focus on weapon swapping?

[grave rock]

its such a shame IMO that melee size bonuses are so minor

[fathom girder]

or is that kinda

[dull heart]

it literally depends on how far the enemy is

[fathom girder]

dependant on the weapon

oh I see

so shotguns would run a close range setup

[dull heart]

25 tiles is the cutoff from close/far generally

yeah

[unique warren]

Like, this just works better imo but I do see the vision for roots I suppose

[fathom girder]

clever

[unique warren]

And it doesn’t really stop subclasses having distinct playstyles either

Close vs long range is already extremely broad

[dull heart]

see roots kinda does this just without the labels

[unique warren]

That’s fair

I just like my categorization

[fathom girder]

it helps to see it from the perspective of old terraria

like really really old terraria

[unique warren]

For rogue, I’d say it should be defined by swapping between stealth strikes and spam as often as possible

[fathom girder]

when classes didn't exist

[dull heart]

(also the removal of damage classes is a config setting so it can be disabled anyway)

[grave rock]

is the biggest u can make a sword like 28%??? thats so sad

lol

[fathom girder]

keybrand but it's 500% larger

I throw it

the planet shatters

[grave rock]

yeag, massive is 18%, titan glove is 10%

[unique warren]

Something something make Raider Talisman inherent to rogue

[grave rock]

[unique warren]

It single-handedly makes rogue interesting and should not be limited to an accessory

[dull heart]

meh

you'll like purple haze rework

[unique warren]

Idk, I just find a playstyle where you swap between stealth strikes and spam to be more interesting than choosing one or the other

[grave rock]

28% larger breaker blade

[unique warren]

Me when I use tungsten enchant

[fathom girder]

off topic but keybrand is kinda fucken wild

top 5 1.4.5 weapons

[grave rock]

it, uhhh, is throwable?

[fathom girder]

really makes it worth using

[unique warren]

Yuh

[fathom girder]

just kinda. makes it work on anything

the other passive makes it swag too

[grave rock]

dont dig up stocks up the roof

[frozen bane]

im new here is there any info if calamity will be updated to 1.4.5 i dont wanna start my first run of calamity if it updates soon

[grave rock]

check pins

[pseudo vector]

tmod 1.4.5 won't be a thing until later this year

[fathom girder]

cool boulder SPOTTED

[steep pagoda]

good 2 know

[unique warren]

I think specifically a spam use time increase after a stealth strike would be DOPE

A use time buff is better than a crit chance increase cause it’s easier to see

Makes it feel better rather than just be better

[verbal elk]

finally i got angler bro

now i can start playing

and how do i get sand i need a sand quest fish

[high scaffold]

Honestly, for me 1.4.5 is more exciting in modding potential rather than as update itself

[verbal elk]

i know about shimmering potions but i dont have enough

[fierce hearth]

I decided that For the Worthy just isn't for me and am moving my character to a regular master world lmao. Legendary mode adds a lot of bullshit that's not fun for me and asks too much weird bullshit of me to "solve" bosses. I don't want to do explosive bunny or boulder shenanigans ;-;

[unique warren]

Yeah uh

[fierce hearth]

And I'm not good enough with vanilla movement options to try to do bosses honestly

[unique warren]

One must realize that For the Worthy is a joke seed

[fierce hearth]

It is ultimately yes

[unique warren]

It’s not really trying to be good, at least in vanilla

[fierce hearth]

I just wanted to try it

Now I don't think Master is good either but Expert is too easy so it's the best I've got

I want to play with the new whips tho so this is my path

[blazing field]

how it feels to play journey mode 😌

[verbal elk]

do jungle enemies drop anything useful

[unique warren]

The best way to play is self imposed challenges imo

[lapis oak]

How it feels to eat 5 carrots and 2 potatoes

[unique warren]

Limit yourself in a way where you have control over what you can and can’t do

[blazing field]

Alot of things yeah

[blazing field]

My favorite way to play is JOURNEY MODE!!! glory to journey mode amen

[wicked temple]

oh true

[blazing field]

Kind of a really vague question - There's pre-hm and hm enemies, alot of different enemies with different drops, and "useful" can vary alot depending on what exactly your playstyle is

But overall, yes, they do, alot

[unique warren]

Idk if pre-HM jungle enemies rlly drop anything directly useful

Like yes the stuff you can craft with stingers is very good

[wicked temple]

hii chst

chst

chat

[grave rock]

its kinda crazy how every class benefits from rushing into the prehm jungle

[blazing field]

hi azzy !

[blazing field]

hornets/spiked slimes drop bezoar which by itself is only niche at best but it is needed for ankh shield
they also drop ancient cobalt armor which. is literally just jungle armor but i mean

[hollow harness]

I know man eaters drop Coffee

[blazing field]

if oyu get it it's useful

[verbal elk]

oh thank god

[blazing field]

also yeah they drop that which is a nice food item, but theres better alternatives

[grave rock]

man eaters drop vines (essential)

[verbal elk]

i was wondering where i could get coffee

[hollow harness]

(pumpkin pie)

[blazing field]

burgers from corruption enemies

[verbal elk]

i havent gotten a boss spawn yet bruv

[grave rock]

pumpkin pie got nerfed in 1.4.5 iirc

[hollow harness]

really?

[grave rock]

lemme double check

[verbal elk]

i got one slime rain where i died due to being unprepared

and eoc just never spawned

[hollow harness]

duration got shortened?

[verbal elk]

no it gives well fed instead

or whatever the t1 food buff is

[wicked temple]

p

[grave rock]

it gives well fed yeah

rip

[hollow harness]

oh so just like before

[verbal elk]

it used to be a t2 buff

[hollow harness]

well tbf it was kinda strong ngl

[wicked temple]

Hiiii

i like pumpkin pie

[hollow harness]

Hello Azathoth,

[verbal elk]

can man eaters only spawn on mud wth

[grave rock]

fishing seems to b the best way to get t2 food

[lapis oak]

Actually now that I think about it

[hollow harness]

one interesting thing about man eaters and alike enemies is that while they're alive you cannot break the tile they're in

yeah, fishing, or just buying travelling merchant food I guess

[wicked temple]

reverse creaking

[lapis oak]

DS bag will have a good economy now that Ale shimmering is dead

No more 500 glasses for 1 dollar

[dull heart]

wait

ale shimmer dead?

[lapis oak]

I heard so?

You can fact check that just to be sure

[grave rock]

pigronata bacon is dead

[wise bolt]

cuoughs

my worm

[misty wren]

thine worm hast been cleansed

[wise bolt]

i miss him

[verbal elk]

can i only get sand from potion shimmering in skyblock

[crimson arrow]

Do you guys know whether Infernum is going to be compatible with Calamity 2.1 ?

[brazen vessel]

Seriously, this Yharim guy, when are we ever going to fight him and end his reign of terror?

[lapis oak]

Yes it will be compatible

[crimson arrow]

ok cool

[wise bolt]

like some king of.. reign of yhari,........m

[wicked temple]

hello wormboy

[verbal elk]

finally

[blazing field]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[wicked temple]

reign of

yharim

reign of azathoth when

[verbal elk]

i just realised i odnt have a good weapon

[grave rock]

???

[verbal elk]

is a rally or harpoon better

[unique warren]

What’s the issue?

[dull heart]

likely harpoon

[grave rock]

rare drop that gives....well fed

[lapis oak]

Harpoon inflicts Bleeding so you can just fires it once a while then swap out for a more ease of use weapon

[verbal elk]

it gives bleeding??

is that new

[lapis oak]

Ye

[fathom girder]

finally

[unique warren]

Okay fair

[lethal kraken]

was just thinking about complaining about lava fishing here but then i got the conch

[unique warren]

I’d probably fix that by not making it rare

Potato chips giving anything more than well fed would feel kinda weird as hell lol

[lapis oak]

Deserved for snack food

[dull heart]

finally

[lapis oak]

Wtf are these crops

[fathom girder]

w bit

[verbal elk]

finally

[vivid hemlock]

the evil defining

[verbal elk]

nvm eoc was free

probably because i had 400 hp

[wise bolt]

finally

[wicked temple]

Oh

[fathom girder]

THAT'S A SQUARE TOFU

[verbal elk]

were wodden crates always this bad

i opened 5 of them and all of them i got copper/tin or some money

[wise bolt]

whts a square

[verbal elk]

wait no one of them gave me a hunter potion

[verbal elk]

its like a cube in 2d

[wise bolt]

your momma a cube in 2d

[verbal elk]

WHAT THE F*CK

[vocal kelp]

nity mod discord

[dull heart]

finally

[dusty tinsel]

SSO never

[verbal elk]

im only getting basses bro fishing is f*cking terrible

[wise bolt]

invoked stargod

[dusty tinsel]

You don't have to censor yourself

Smh

[fickle seal]

@pseudo vector I saw you tried to send something earlier that got blocked by Discord's AutoMod
I added an exception so you should be able to send it now
Sorry about that

[wise bolt]

inv*ked starg*d

[dull heart]

CD has POWER now

[fathom girder]

Make sure that your fishing spot has a wide top and a lot of volume

[verbal elk]

i cant let the future adults see these words

[pseudo vector]

LOL?

[fathom girder]

Otherwise fishing will be both weaker and grant less unique fish

[verbal elk]

is this good enough

[dusty tinsel]

They already know them

[pseudo vector]

i don't even know what i tried to send earlier

[fathom girder]

oh uh. yes that should be enough

what's your current fishing power

[verbal elk]

i calculated it and its over 300 tiles i think

[fickle seal]

Future content doc

[pseudo vector]

ohhh the future content doc

i remember now

[verbal elk]

no clue

i got reinforced fishing pole and enchanted worms

[fathom girder]

what bait and rod are you using

ah

[pseudo vector]

i remember not being able to send it earlier when i needed to

cuz someone was asking about it

[verbal elk]

nightcrawlers

same thing

[fathom girder]

that's like 40% fishing power

not very much, work on getting better bait when you can and maybe get the evil rod or find a fiberclass rod

[dusty tinsel]

You sent the entire message that contained the doc and discord yelled at you

3 times

[fathom girder]

also do fishing quests so you can get accessories

[wise bolt]

tisk tisk tisk... cant believe ur out here leaking cal content

smh

[pseudo vector]

i was trying to forward it LMAO

[dusty tinsel]

Ah

[pseudo vector]

discord didn't like me trying to forward the message lmao

[verbal elk]

thats what im trying to do

[dusty tinsel]

Yah because you were trying to ping everyone apparently

[wise bolt]

LOL ?

[fathom girder]

ah yeah

[dusty tinsel]

I don't know why discord thought that

[fathom girder]

climb's gonna be a little slow at first

[verbal elk]

this stupid f*cking angler gave me a sand fish tho so i cant get it i think

[fickle seal]

Ah I see. That's funny

[dull heart]

i can leak future content

[pseudo vector]

LOL?

[verbal elk]

wtf when can you click the fish to send it in chat

[pseudo vector]

how the shit was it trying to ping people

that's so random

[vocal kelp]

leak all the content

[wise bolt]

heres a leak

[dusty tinsel]

I think it's because the forward had like 5 pings in it

[vocal kelp]

why did you lie

[wicked temple]

all content ever should be leaked

[wise bolt]

im evil

[pseudo vector]

weird

[wicked temple]

for everything

[vestal osprey]

If i were too leak future calamity content, I would just take a sprite and zoom in so much until its just one pixel

[dull heart]

i could leak my edit to lifesteal cooldown indicator...

[verbal elk]

if i break the altar i got from eoc am i softlocked

[arctic cliff]

if i were to leak something id jsut leak it with the most goofy message

[verbal elk]

just leak one word

[wise bolt]

ive git nothing to leak rn bruh im just sitting here twiddling my thumbs

[arctic cliff]

like if there was a boss that was shaped like an orb, id just post it with "Blorb."

hell no not as a leak

[verbal elk]

and have it be like

tuesday

[arctic cliff]

if i were a dev on SOMETHING and i needed to tease something, i'd just post that

and post it as a transparent image so people can meme it to hell and back

[dusty tinsel]

I have a leak

[hushed hazel]

fish shaped

[mystic eagle]

Crabulon Resprite leak

[verbal elk]

IS THAT DIRT

[dusty tinsel]

Wait crabulon has a purple pixle

[verbal elk]

is dirt getting added to calamity

[cerulean crypt]

I ddin;t know worms have thumbs

[wicked temple]

whats the release window for brainstorm

I remember it had ine

one

[wise bolt]

how doyoy think i draw

[cerulean crypt]

wasn't that in the news letter

[wicked temple]

Oh righ

[arctic cliff]

MANDIBLES???

[pseudo vector]

brainstorm will be releasing in february

[wise bolt]

fool

[verbal elk]

i tried to paint a yes

finally i got bait from a crate only took like 10 of them

[wise bolt]

this is where i post from

[verbal elk]

are the fish in water just decoration

[fathom girder]

"Just remember that this is me when you talk to me"

[fathom girder]

It shows you the "pool" of fish that you can get from your fishing spot

[verbal elk]

f*ck you bruv why not give me a surface fish

just realised i finally have soc

wtf i cant use rocket boot flight with the skates

[fathom girder]

you cannot

but you can use wings

[verbal elk]

thanks terraria

is soulscourge good

or is cobwhip

LETS GO

[fathom girder]

cobwhip is your beginner whip before you get literally any other whip

[verbal elk]

oh

i thoguht slime whip was that

[bold flame]

even leather whip is better

[fathom girder]

leather whip, slime whip, evil whip, jungle whip

[verbal elk]

do hardmore ore slimes spawn

[fathom girder]

idk

[bold flame]

yes

[hollow harness]

yes

[verbal elk]

oh

is there like no point to fishing then

[hollow harness]

skyblock exclusive slimes

[bold flame]

1.4.5 skyblock gives you everything you need via slimes and bosses

fishing is for extra stuff like blizzard in a bottle, climbing claws, etc

[arctic cliff]

darn there's Ore Slimes in vanilla now?

[bold flame]

it's better to call it "slimeblock" instead of skyblock :b

[hollow harness]

yea ore slimes

[arctic cliff]

calamity ore slimes are never leaving us 😭

[verbal elk]

oh thats why sorbets newest video has slimeblock in the thumbnail

[bold flame]

only in skyblock

[bold flame]

that's where I got the term from so yes

[verbal elk]

nvm theres a newester video

[bold flame]

I still prefer this skyblock over the fan made ones

this one allows for 100% game completion

excluding gfb stuff obv

[verbal elk]

how do i even get a gun

[bold flame]

well...you could do gfb skyblock

doesn't deerclops drop a gun?

[verbal elk]

do i look like i fought it

[bold flame]

I dunno if that'd get the arms dealer to spawn tho

[dull heart]

thoughts on this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeZ34c0Hab8

[verbal elk]

havent watched it yet

[dull heart]

i agree a lot with his points near the end about excessive qol

(it's why i've been for reducing cal qol provided)

[bold flame]

I'm very much a QoL lover but, I'll give it a look

[dull heart]

this right here

[unique warren]

Man I really need to make a vanilla rebalance mod myself

It would be fun

[verbal elk]

i wish i would've never gotten used to having qol mods

[wide wadi]

That’s what they did with the 1.4.5 update

[verbal elk]

what did they even do with qol in 1.4.5

[wide wadi]

Omg 1.4.5 worst terraria update

[verbal elk]

was crafting with items from chests from this update

[unique warren]

What 1.4.5 qol is even intrusive

[pale silo]

oo not seen it, ill give it a look

[tough shoal]

sometimes i use them sometimes im not, im still enjoying terraria a lot

[dull heart]

everythin after the 25 minute mark in this video he's just spitting facts

[bold flame]

yes

[high scaffold]

I wonder how will calamity work with extreme world generation secret seeds

[unique warren]

Idk that’s a wild ass take holy moly

It’s still good

[dull heart]

1.4.5 just cemented to me that i need to finish roots

[wide wadi]

Yeah but a let down more like it

[unique warren]

Not really that either… I don’t think…

[wide wadi]

Crossovers and barely get any new tech

[verbal elk]

1.2.1.2 is worse

/j

[wide wadi]

And a bunch of flys on every flower

Annoying

[unique warren]

Do we need new tech

[unique warren]

What

[verbal elk]

wtf

i thought it was always marshmellow

[wide wadi]

There are little flys everywhere

[unique warren]

?

What

[wide wadi]

The fly’s

[unique warren]

What are you talking about sorry

[arctic cliff]

crafting with items from chests is a bad thing?

[dull heart]

i think my main issue with 1.4.5 is that, to me, it just feels like they're pulling their ideas from popular mods instead of designing the game how they feel it needs to be

[verbal elk]

i think hes talking about flies that spawn near flowers

[arctic cliff]

i genuinely dont see it

[unique warren]

I can kinda agree there tbh

[dull heart]

i think it's way too powerful right now

[verbal elk]

like here

[empty yarrow]

True dat

[remote minnow]

Oh hey it's varia suit samus from fusion

[dull heart]

if it was like, a 5 block range i'd like it

[wide wadi]

Yesss

[dull heart]

but it's ltierally my ENTIRE storage system

[wide wadi]

Too annoying

[unique warren]

Howdy

[arctic cliff]

oh right, i use magic storage in tmodloader

[bold flame]

the whole part he's listing tha he has to fucking visit multiple chests to craft 1 thing is the worst feeling ever to me

[dull heart]

no more need to sort items or interact with storage like ever

[verbal elk]

oh no not 4 pixels of an insect on my screen

[high scaffold]

Well, they felt like those mods would be a good addition to the main game

[empty yarrow]

On an unrelated now, now installing 30+ QoL mods (I need them)

[unique warren]

Do I know you from the Metroid server or are you just a fellow ball knower

[bold flame]

it makes me scream "why is that even good? you sound like you would prefer to play the original terraria with little to no content or changes"

[verbal elk]

i should do another 1.2 playthrough

[dull heart]

there is a reason terraria sold so well originally

[empty yarrow]

I wish the update had focused more on the Crossovers it was advertised with instead of being mostly a QoL update

[arctic cliff]

but even putting aside personal bias, I don't get why even a QoL change as gamechanging as this is apparently bad enough that it "takes away from the game's identity"

[unique warren]

Terraria is still a fantastic game

[dull heart]

i don't think specifically crafting is a big deal

[remote minnow]

I am in the metroid server, but I don't know you from it, I just like metroid

[unique warren]

It’s better than it originally was for sure

[bold flame]

oh, so you're saying that the OG minecraft is better than later versions?

[unique warren]

Dope

[arctic cliff]

it might be strong, but i really DONT like sorting through chests to grab materials

[bold flame]

because it sold hella well at the start too

[remote minnow]

And fusion was my start into the franchise

[bold flame]

same for every other popular game

[dull heart]

yeah, but the issue is that instead of fixing that but leaving reasons to interact with sorting too

they just completely undid most reason to sort

[bold flame]

You can also, you know, disable the crafting from chests feature

it's not mandatory, it's optional

[high scaffold]

I still sort because I like it

I like my things organised

[bold flame]

I'm still sorting my chests too because of habit

[dull heart]

i think crafting from chests should have been a more limited range than it is now and it would have been great

the quick stack range it uses is just SO huge

[verbal elk]

was quick stacking similar items from this update

[bold flame]

I mean, it's not even that far of a range

[dull heart]

yes

[arctic cliff]

like i get that general idea that too much QoL is bad for a game, but using this as an example is just going to make people polarized

[verbal elk]

oh thank god

[remote minnow]

Oh yea so are life fruits available from the moment you enter hard mode?

[arctic cliff]

whats another 1.4.5. qol change that people dont like

[dull heart]

i think a bigger example of the too much QoL is the pylon change

[bold flame]

in calamity yes, in vanilla no

[high scaffold]

Not necessarily for crafting reasons but for finding reasons

[dull heart]

not being happiness involved

[pale silo]

Tbh you're still encouraged to sort your chests..namely the farm chests

[arctic cliff]

its not?

[dull heart]

pylons no longer need happiness at all

[bold flame]

yeah, I can understand that

[distant raft]

1.4.5 removed the happiness requirement

[unique warren]

I like that ngl

[remote minnow]

Yeah, it's just convenient to do so

[distant raft]

which fucking sucks, pylons are just free now

[unique warren]

Happiness can be a fucking pain

[bold flame]

the only pylon that affects for preboss obtaining though is snow pylon

[unique warren]

Hmmm idk I’m mixed on it I guess

[bold flame]

otherwise getting pylons was the easiest thing ever

[pale silo]

I'm fine with this. But tp while boss is alive is too far

[dull heart]

like...

[pale silo]

I'm fine with event tp

[bold flame]

arms dealer + nurse in any biome but snow = pylon

[arctic cliff]

yeah that is kinda wack ngl

[dull heart]

it feels like they're just backpedaling on designing their own game

[distant raft]

pylons needing a lil effort helped balance it to some extent

[unique warren]

Ugh, now I’m so fucking mixed on this update

[dull heart]

which has been an issue i've had with terraria for many years tbh

[bold flame]

it's literally a braindead gate keepign mechanic, but it did bring a sense of discovery to newer players

[unique warren]

I don’t really know how to feel

[bold flame]

wanna know how I feel about the update?

It's done, can't be undone without mods, so you either accept it, or be a boomer and rage about all the "modern changes"

[pale silo]

I think all it was was a tad unintuitive with how weird the happiness system was. Now it's better explained (and more effects to artificially increase it) so id think it's even better happy locked rn

[bold flame]

[pale silo]

Like love potion as an example increases happiness for a bit

[dull heart]

it can be undone by relogic

[pale silo]

They go back on changes often dw

[unique warren]

and they have undone bad changes in the past

[bold flame]

I mean yeah

[dull heart]

my biggest complaint of 1.4.5 is 100% balancing though

[high scaffold]

I honestly have little to no issues with 1.4.5

[distant raft]

the stinky and love pots are neat though i like that

[pale silo]

It's better to go a tad overboard then backpedal so you can weed out the main cause of the unbalance

[dull heart]

the rest is minor but 1.4.5 balancing feels like it was just not a thing

[unique warren]

Yeah I agree

[pale silo]

Yeah made stuff too strong

[bold flame]

I'm just saying that the huge amount of disgust/rage about lots of good features (like removing whip stacking) is getting sickening to see/hear

[unique warren]

[dull heart]

why was the only nerfed melee weapons YOYOs

[verbal elk]

wtf

[dull heart]

why did they nerf hel fire

[raw falcon]

I dont really see a reason why they wouldn't adress this in a hotfix though if it was brought up to them

[pale silo]

Cause of the bag buff afaia

[unique warren]

Removing whip stacking “good”

[verbal elk]

whats the point of nerfing yoyos

[bold flame]

I was expecting melee to get lots of buffs and little nerfs

[pale silo]

But

Yeah

[distant raft]

yoyos, famous for being incredibly strong

[dull heart]

roller skates and chillet...

[raw falcon]

maybe it was because of the magic yoyo thing?

[empty yarrow]

The Helfire was too broken thooo, you know what needed a buff tho?

[bold flame]

afaik, Red is extremely biased towards melee needing to be the best class

[empty yarrow]

Shadowflame Knives

[unique warren]

I like the update a lot but it is just really weird

[pale silo]

I assume they just overestimated the string and counterweight buff

[dull heart]

shadowflame knife!

yay!

[empty yarrow]

Famously weak Melee weapon

[unique warren]

Just… a lot of odd decisions

Of course my friend is fucking weird about terraria

[dull heart]

the dart gutting is crazy too

[unique warren]

Pfft

[raw falcon]

I really like what they did to golem fist tbh

[verbal elk]

how does this happen

[pale silo]

I'm fine with anvil lock tbh

[unique warren]

Cursed darts were made not OP and that’s it

[bold flame]

it was an unecessary 'tek' that, while yes made summoner feel unique, I'd want to say a vast majority of players didn't even use it.

[pale silo]

But their power overall was in a fine spot before

Minus crystal dart

[dull heart]

crystal dart nerf is crazy they were already kinda mid

[bold flame]

btw, I used to whip stack, and I'm all for havign it yeeted

[arctic cliff]

"vast majority of players didnt use it"
god i hate this argument so much

[unique warren]

Whip stacking was unbalanced but a great concept

[dull heart]

mostly the big thing is they nerfed the darts but didn't buff the guns to compensate

[raw falcon]

I get tag damage stacking being removed, Im just kinda sad effect stacking got removed

[empty yarrow]

I can see it with my third eye, they are adding 6 new Dart Weapons across the progression in the next hotfuxes

[dull heart]

and the darts weren't so strong that they were a major issue

[pale silo]

Tbh I do hope they readd the buffs from it back. As long as tag/crit is ignored

[empty yarrow]

I just know it

[bold flame]

so you're fine with summons having 45% crit rate?

[arctic cliff]

i count that as tag damage

[pale silo]

They also meant that

[empty yarrow]

The Dart Nation shall feast at long last

[unique warren]

I was talking about my qualms with the game and this update and she just goes “I don’t care, that’s just how the game is, nothing we can do about it so why talk about it” and holy shit what a stupid attitude

[dull heart]

whip stacking removal is overall good but it actually sucks in specifically the current context

[pale silo]

The actual whip effects were fine I think

[raw falcon]

they could've nerfed it, as in you can only have one speed buff active at a time, but I dont like outright removing it

[bold flame]

the whip speed on attack was fine

[dull heart]

because now there's no reason to use the new whips prehm

[distant raft]

how did unplugging your headphones immediately crash the game

[bold flame]

but ppl didn't whip stack for that

[dull heart]

snapthorn just overshadows everything until starcrash

[arctic cliff]

OH FUCK RIGHT

[dull heart]

before you could at least whip stack

[bold flame]

ppl whip stacked to stack tag damage and stuff liek crit or dark harvest aoe

[pale silo]

Imagine the whip subclass

[unique warren]

Get rid of tag stacking and nothing else come ON

[pale silo]

As a standalone

[arctic cliff]

darn snapthorn

[raw falcon]

I can see cobwhip being a good pre-snapthorn weapon

[empty yarrow]

Classic Vanilla jungle/evil boss balancing

[pale silo]

Making whips usable properly by itself would be good

[dull heart]

whips are fine overall now

[pale silo]

With tag damage being the extra bonus for normal summons

[dull heart]

it's just snapthorn that i have a major issue

[bold flame]

I hardly use snapthorn ngl

[unique warren]

Snapthorn should have been a primarily secondary whip

[empty yarrow]

I like having a Pre-Boss whip that isn’t the Leather Whip

[distant raft]

i like how eternity mode handles whip stacking, keeping it in but giving it diminishing returns

[empty yarrow]

Even if its slow as balls

[unique warren]

Of course you do

[arctic cliff]

cant that just be a thing sold by Witch Doctor so you cant just immediately beeline for Jungle (unless you beeline for the bee) and win

[dull heart]

snapthorn is balanced on-par with Starcrash but it's so easy to get

[distant raft]

ok buddy

[bold flame]

was that changed recently? I remember it just removing them stacking entirely

[dull heart]

summoner does not need more queen bee reliance

i'd say just... nerf snapthorn

[distant raft]

changed in 1.7 iirc

[raw falcon]

Neat idea would have the jungle recipes require beeswax actually

[unique warren]

Something something jungle gear too OP, apparently balanced to be on par with DUNGEON GEAR???

[raw falcon]

so they're actually obtainable by the time they're intended

and not ludicrously early

[empty yarrow]

Catalyst does that too cause of its own whips

[arctic cliff]

i think the solution is to just make jungle way more dangerous ngl

[empty yarrow]

Idk why Relogic didn’t think of doing that too

[young notch]

idk what the fuss is, whip stacking seems fine to me

[bold flame]

I see, that's interesting

that's...

that's not...

[empty yarrow]

Unless they just think people only go to the Jungle when they can fight Queen Bee or smth

[bold flame]

uh...

[unique warren]

Spit it out dude

Use your words

You got this

[young notch]

[bold flame]

I can't refute...they're nto technically wrong

[unique warren]

We believe in you ❤️

[young notch]

muehehe

[distant raft]

the jungle should real man eaters and the trans affirming misogynist parrot

[unique warren]

The main purpose of whip stacking should be secondary effects imo

[empty yarrow]

Like this feels fair I think

[unique warren]

Whip speed buff, debuffs, etc

[bold flame]

make it as short as the leather whip too

[empty yarrow]

Atleast gives the Corruption and Crimson Whips a chance to yknow, do something

[bold flame]

[unique warren]

Idk about that lol

Maybe a bit shorter but that’s too far

[bold flame]

I'm just glad that skyblock makes getting that damned whip the biggest pita ever

you're better off ignoring it completely

too bad that's the only time ppl would possibly ignore it

[vocal kelp]

Catalyst snapthorn nerf is dumb though, it makes leather whip better 🥀

[unique warren]

They could have only removed tag stacking and whip stacking would still be good!!!!

[vocal kelp]

like reminder calamity already handles it a lil

catalyst further nerfing it so much wasnt all that necessary

[bold flame]

so you mean all the tag effects like dark harvest AoE, tag crit, tag dmg, and other effects that 'attach' to the enemy?

[unique warren]

Like

[arctic cliff]

YESSSSSSSSSSSS

[unique warren]

Whip tag damage and crit is based on the last whip you hit it with

[vocal kelp]

leather whip should not be better 🥀

[bold flame]

leather whip should see more use though...

[unique warren]

Buffs and debuffs still work, however

[verbal elk]

i can very barely understand that

[bold flame]

I've had my entire computer off itself by closing spotify

[unique warren]

I think making it absurdly low damage but pretty high tag damage would be cool