calamity-update-talk

[bold flame]

WAIT WHAT

[pale silo]

yeah

im so confused

[bold flame]

that's a 1.4.5 change

[pale silo]

yeah

i was just checking bone crafting to see if anything new

[bold flame]

also, now that means I have to farm jungle spores god dangit

[pale silo]

its fine

just sets up life fruit farm

and chloro farm

in pre hm

[bold flame]

I mean yeah

and I'm not like, helpless anymore cuz obsidian armour

and legendary spinal tap

[pale silo]

so it is

[bold flame]

OH I just remembered!

another way for sand

[pale silo]

so weird this doesnt have coin thing

[bold flame]

extractinate shellpiles

[pale silo]

how do you get shell piles?

junk fishing?

[solar sandal]

Moon lord looks really great

[bold flame]

go to ocean, place w/e sand you have, wait for seashells to spawn and craft them into the shellpiles

[pale silo]

oh yeah

[bold flame]

I need to setup an ocean spawn and whatnot

[pale silo]

i need to get angler anyways so was gonna make an artifical ocean anyways

1000 water tiles i think are needed?

[bold flame]

I have angler...I just cheesed his spawn

not really

the background changes to ocean

[pale silo]

for ocean fishing

i mean

[bold flame]

for the fishing I think so yeah

behold. my "ocean biome" to spawn the angler

[pale silo]

Good biome

[bold flame]

[pale silo]

Also make sure to use cloud platforms for Ur "hellavator"

For your stops

[bold flame]

oh yeah, cuz no fall damage huh

[pale silo]

thats how im doing it

[bold flame]

great idea. I'mma swap all mine out

[pale silo]

that or get lucky with a sky crate

[bold flame]

horseshoe yeah

[pale silo]

also conveyor in sky for stars/meteor showers

protects you during fights

as meteors deal substancial damage

[bold flame]

yeah, I've been planning on doing that eventually

[pale silo]

oh.

[bold flame]

only problem is stuff like this skylake

[pale silo]

any jungle access = water

[bold flame]

or you know

rain

that's how I got my water buckets

[pale silo]

in a no surface world

[bold flame]

ah

[pale silo]

(lava works well enough anyways)

lava is always obtainable

[bold flame]

then yeah, you're stuck with lava or honey then

[pale silo]

honey is probably best fishing source if no shimmer access tho

gives at least access to one fishing quest

[bold flame]

speaking of no shimmer access

ftw does that. it removes shimmer

[pale silo]

yups

its why i mention it

[bold flame]

what an evil seed

[pale silo]

ftw + no surface when

[unreal vault]

now that 1.4.5 is out should i go for all base terraria achievements

[mystic eagle]

If you'd like to

[unreal vault]

alr

[vast ferry]

No.

Legendary mode moon lord is required

[unreal vault]

i can dodge moon boulders

also it just requires that i beat him no?

[vast ferry]

And for bestiary achievement, you need to be on celebration mk 10

[unreal vault]

couldn’t i theoretically just like

use a post moonlord account and just

[vast ferry]

And mechdusa

[unreal vault]

speedrun the bosses

for the achievement

[robust hedge]

how do i kill the DOG please help

[lean verge]

any seed exclusive mobs are excluded from bestiary completion in any other world

[lethal kraken]

forgot how much in a vanilla world i kinda hate fighting the wall of flesh but got it down by just not using the whip and having minions target the low eye and do a bunch of damage, summoning sentry again once in a while too

[rare oxide]

where is this new calamity update i’m tryna PLAY

[pale silo]

Date will be released within a month

[rare oxide]

oh the date will be? or the update itself

[pale silo]

Date is only 100% confirmed thing. But likely yes update too

[fleet agate]

literally the latest pin, will release in feb

[pale silo]

i was just refering to what doze said earlier today tbh

e

[tropic jolt]

f

[pale silo]

@hard estuary

[crimson arrow]

is there going to be a 2.1 trailer?

[vivid hemlock]

yeah

[lethal kraken]

cool blockset, also glad they added the whole block replacement thing as i had like made most houses in my world out of the same wood intending to eventually replace them

[pale silo]

Block swap was a 1.4 feature...iirc

[lethal kraken]

it was yea

just saying im glad they added it back then

[jagged copper]

honestly, skyblock feels like it's going really, really slowly atm

maybe it's because I feel a little directionless

I just managed to start creating a jungle

[calm ingot]

That’s kinda how skyblock tends to go in general

[lethal kraken]

wow ok 2 vitamin drops in a row

[pale silo]

who wants a fried goldfish?

[jagged copper]

this was my first interaction with the new thunderstorm when it happened

[polar tide]

no

i got hungry and eated it

[pale silo]

Tbh it still hurts like hell

[polar tide]

sorry

[pale silo]

Can you eat the entire update? I think it'd be funny

Plus I've heard it's very filling!

[polar tide]

Haha oh don't tempt me..

[pale silo]

Please do :3

[polar tide]

if brainstorm doesnt come out in february you know why

[pale silo]

Understood

Entirely merka fault

[polar tide]

correct

[terse dew]

🫤

[main falcon]

What's the oficial opinion on the new summoner reforges

[versed heart]

Wdym the "official" opinion

[main falcon]

Just like a concensus

[lean verge]

general would probably be a better word for that

[hard estuary]

Yo wait that’s arms dealer?

No shot

[main falcon]

Yeah i realize

Whipstacking was removed but with it a shittier and funnier technique arose

Boomerang stacking

[bold flame]

I saw a vid where someone said that the official skyblock terraria isn't a true skyblock. It's a slimeblock

and honestly, they're kind of right?

there isn't much like, clever tricks to progress in the seed.

everything is basically handed to you through either bosses or slimes

i still prefer this over the skyblocks that required bugs/glitches to even finish though

[halcyon seal]

I’m fine with this because at the end of the day, skyblock has to be a seed the average player can complete

That and it NEEDS to be 100% completable

[bold flame]

exactly

[halcyon seal]

So all bestiary, all items, all that

Normally skyblock challenges are only concerned with ml

[lean verge]

there's a reason why I (and probably a large chunk of the community) enjoyed the Calamity Oneblock series so much

[unique warren]

Why is javelin progression so chopped for no reason

[lean verge]

in vanilla or cal?

[unique warren]

I mean, cal

[lean verge]

ohhh

[unique warren]

Not much of a subclass in vanilla

[lean verge]

yeah it's only like 2 weapons

[unique warren]

Three if you count daybreak I guess

Though let’s be fair, fossil javelin IS very good

[lean verge]

ohhh I thought you meant melee Javelins (I was counting Daybreak)

[unique warren]

Oh yeah scourge

And uh…?

Point being, Rogue Javelin progression is kinda rlly spotty

[bold flame]

the one block that changes whatever you're mining based on boss progression?

[lean verge]

no

[bold flame]

oh, just straight up a single block?

yeah no, that's the most unfun shit I could ever imagine for me

I've already done the whole thing of getting so good at a game you know and can exploit all sorts of bugs, glitches, skips, etc that makes it a fucking joke for any normal playthrough

I still have some fun playing that game but...it also heavily killed the enjoyment of the game

[lean verge]

I meant this https://youtu.be/IRd3rAbqDS4

[bold flame]

I never want terraria to become what ark has become for me

I saw that vid yeah

[crimson arrow]

imagine you ate it, that would be horrible

[polar tide]

i dont have to imagine because i already did that

[unique warren]

Ngl I kinda think Raider Talisman’s effect should be inherent to how stealth strikes work

Or at least smth similar

[spark kiln]

does every minor subclass need an entire progression tree

[unique warren]

Perhaps not but like

[pale silo]

Yups

[spark kiln]

you’d only ever care about this if you were doing a javelin only run for some reason

[unique warren]

Javelins not having a preboss weapon kinda silly goofy

[hard estuary]

Dang

[lyric trellis]

No but Rogue needs more weapon and variety is nice

[unique warren]

For fun!

[spark kiln]

why

[lyric trellis]

Better than having 500 daggers and bombs only

[hard estuary]

Tbh I didn’t expect zoologist to some kind of nerdy looks

[unique warren]

I am agreeing rn I am agreeing and shaking my head

It’s just telling that even spiky balls have a preboss weapon

Though spiky ball is more fucked later on lolll

[spark kiln]

spiky balls is not a subclass

guys the brick class has a pre boss weapon😮

[unique warren]

Brick is other

[lyric trellis]

That’s why I don’t want the old evil shivs to come back like spore stabber did, because then pre-boss is a bunch of daggers and it’s lame

[unique warren]

Spiky balls is a subclass

[lyric trellis]

Yes it is

[unique warren]

True!

[grim pecan]

not anymore, i killed most of them

[lyric trellis]

Hardly one next update but yeah

[spark kiln]

we’re making up subclasses now

[unique warren]

I mean it still is

Oh next update

[lyric trellis]

We = 2019 cal devs

[terse dew]

I know those people

[lyric trellis]

You know everybody

[unique warren]

It’s really not that crazy

It has 11 weapons that all act similarly and have similar appearance

[spark kiln]

hairy ball theorem

[unique warren]

That’s enough for launchers to count in vanilla

[spark kiln]

vanilla has way less weapons though

[lyric trellis]

Like come on

3 Javelins next update

(Antlion Skewer)

[unique warren]

Ooh what are they

[lyric trellis]

Well 3 as in 2 current + 1 new

Yes it’s a Javelin

[unique warren]

Like the thing is with subclasses is that they never really need to be at every stage in the game

Like, in vanilla you can comfortably use post-plant weapons up to ML

[lyric trellis]

Subclasses definitely aren’t needed at every point but it’s good to have variety and not just 500 swords or bows

[unique warren]

And I personally believe that every subclass needs one pre-boss weapon

Even if you gotta use it for a while, give us smth to bounce off of

[amber egret]

i LOVE swords and bows

[unique warren]

Maybe excluding launchers cause Hardmode is kiiiinda part of their identity

[amber egret]

i think calamity should be JUST sword and bows

swords bows staffs minions that fly around and knives

thats all calamity should be source trust me

[lyric trellis]

Agreed, ideally post-wof and post-ml too since those are big progression jumps but otherwise just whatever works

[unique warren]

And like, this doesn’t necessarily even mean bloat

Vanilla covers this for most subclasses

I will say, I do think cal is a bit weird with boomerangs

Idc what anyone says, Galaxy Smasher and the like are still boomerangs

[arctic cliff]

I think theres too little Melee boomerangs

[unique warren]

I don’t know why they aren’t categorized as boomerangs

At least, they aren’t on the wiki

[terse dew]

I think there should be 5 more ore swords

[arctic cliff]

Equanimity is made from two melee vanilla boomerangs

but is rogue for some reason

god why didnt they just rework that into a melee boomerang and just keep nychthermon

[lyric trellis]

I find it funny how the melee “boomerangs” in cal are actually all unique next update but most of the Rogue ones are vanilla melee copies

[unique warren]

Lolll

Are they seriously not considered boomerangs tho

[arctic cliff]

Pwnagehammer certainly isnt a boomerang, but its upgrades? yeah

[unique warren]

Is this just wiki being weird asf

[arctic cliff]

well they only return WHEN you hit something with them

so ya

[unique warren]

That just makes it a weird boomerang then

[halcyon seal]

It’s debatable

[unique warren]

Yea but like

They totally are 😭

[grim pecan]

i think neither of these will be considered boomerangs with brainstorm which is funny

[unique warren]

Why? Do they not at all return to the player?

[grim pecan]

mage hammer does not anymore. scorcher does under certain circumstances

[unique warren]

…I see what y’all mean but like

C’monnnn just call them boomerangs

If y’all use that strict of a classification, nothing will be a boomerang

[amber egret]

no its just that most boomerangs are Rogue

[unique warren]

You aren’t wrong but still

Having absolutely 0 of a subclass is kinda crazy for such a big content mod

[lyric trellis]

Renaming the category to “Thrown melee” or something to include the hammers and depth crusher

[halcyon seal]

Wtf is the criteria for dagger

[arctic cliff]

its weirddd

[unique warren]

Hmmm that kinda adds a lot more than just that

[halcyon seal]

I think that describes every rogue weapon

[arctic cliff]

a lot of categories on Calamity are described purely from how they look

mainly in Rogue and Magic weapons

[unique warren]

Yep

[molten grove]

next update will have an objective ingame classification for rogue subclasses

an internal list in the code with no effect on actual gameplay

but addons can use it
!

[grim pecan]

:D

[lyric trellis]

Welcome back Penumbra Potion

[unique warren]

And maybe for other classes hmm hmm maybe

[normal onyx]

so when is the next update dropping? just curious bc im looking to get back into terraria hearing as it just got updated

[grim pecan]

welcome back ethereal extorter

[arctic cliff]

you often dont see this with the other three because often those subclasses have actual functional differences, even if that is as simple as being thrusted forward instead of being swung

[lyric trellis]

Nvm that was old shadow pot I think

[molten grove]

no other class needs it
there's a magic gun list already, staffs are determined by a line of code, and books are literally books

[grim pecan]

they're so different, how could you get them confused

[lyric trellis]

One still exists the other is six feet under

[arctic cliff]

i genuinely thought they removed Shadow Potion when they removed Penumbra

and i remembered being up in arms cause it was SHADOW POTION

i genuinely was not sure why what i thought was a baller potion was just being outright removed

[amber egret]

whats penumbra and whats shadow potion

i dont play rogue

[safe zephyr]

Allegedly in February from the last thing I saw in that one newsletter on the calamity site, but it might've changed since then

[unique warren]

So the only ones that don’t are Magic Guns, Launchers, Javelins, and Bombs… and Rogue Boomerangs wait what the fuck

[unique warren]

Is preboss rogue deadass actually just knives???

[amber egret]

theres Deadly Cholla

[lyric trellis]

Web Ball

Brick

[unique warren]

Okay fair

Daggers, spiky balls, and others

Still wild

[safe zephyr]

What category does infernal Kris fall under

[lyric trellis]

Variety

[unique warren]

Crystalline is my fucking goat

I think I literally cried when Seraphim dropped

Not really but I might as well have

[grim pecan]

bile, ore axes, urchin stinger, kylie are all preboss

[lyric trellis]

(Next update)

[grim pecan]

yeah

[unique warren]

That’s good!

[bold flame]

3 daggers, 1 axe, 1 sticky, 1 acupuncture, 1 concussion, 1 prickly trauma

[grim pecan]

spore knife is technically post eye but i know y'all are disregarding that and getting it preboss

[unique warren]

Crystalline line is actually top 10 calamity weapon lines

[lyric trellis]

Antlion Skewer too which I mentioned earlier

[grim pecan]

right skewer

[unique warren]

Started from the bottom now we’re Auric 🥺

[arctic cliff]

penumbra potion before its removal merely just made stealth regen faster, although it did use to have a boost during Solar Eclipes or wearing Umbraphile Armor

Shadow Potion, which still exists, has simpler effects including firing a basic projectile on hit, but originally it used to do different boosts and projectiles based on the Rogue weapon type you were holding. Like, as in different effects based on when you're using and holding a boomerang compared to a dagger.

[bold flame]

I adore the voidragon tree

starts humble and classic, and goes full on sickomode at the very end

[unique warren]

That one is also pretty dope

[arctic cliff]

they absolutely should do more of these effects, ngl

[hard estuary]

Which one is your favourite?

[unique warren]

Especially with Voidragon itself getting a rework iirc?

[bold flame]

wait, it is?

[grim pecan]

won't be in brainstorm, but will be in the first hotfix

[unique warren]

I thiiiink?

Cool!

[grim pecan]

you won't be waiting long, the entire line is getting reworked

[unique warren]

I assume that excludes the vanilla stuff

[lyric trellis]

First hotfix save us

[bold flame]

I'm curious how the rework is gonna work out for it...I like how it really hammers home that ranger is better played at close proximity

although, isn't that bonus being yeeted soon?

[unique warren]

Also daggers are bullshit cause wtf even is this

[bold flame]

the best rogue weapon, obv

well, aside from the frying pan

[lyric trellis]

I like how incomprehensible it is

Like what is it trying to convey

Just uses storm weaver colors and that’s it

[unique warren]

Sorry the what

[bold flame]

I always viewed it as essentially a type of grenade that conjures lightning

[lyric trellis]

Probably

[grim pecan]

the actual projectile sells it better but the item sprite doesn't say much

[unique warren]

Which is of course a dagger totally

[arctic cliff]

iirc it fires lightning spears from two ends

[unique warren]

Y’all just described it as a grenade (bomb) and a spear (javelin)

[bold flame]

it was removed, but this thing was funny
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Seared_Pan

[unique warren]

Y’all are not helping sell the whole dagger thing

[lyric trellis]

Go my lightning

[unique warren]

…ah.

Yeah that sucks a lot

[grim pecan]

rewards sustained accuracy. you get a limited mag of fast firing bullets, then a big attack at the end that grows stronger based on the amount of shots hit

[unique warren]

I get why but I mean, haven’t y’all just straight up removed dedications for items and kept them before?

Though yeah maybe for the best…

[bold flame]

sounds like I might be changing my fav gun eventually then...I am horrible at aiming rapid fire guns

I can generally hit the big "fuck you" rifle shots but, I dont' fire them off cooldown...I'm a very slow aim lmao

I am very good at landing the dragon's breath cartridge in gfb though. for some reason

the most awkward, random, hard to see projectile

[unique warren]

Sorry uh

Did you just say ranger is “better at close proximity”

[bold flame]

well, gunners are

at least for now

all guns do more damage at close proximity

[grave geyser]

extortor <3

[unique warren]

And that’s getting taken out back and shot like it should be

[grim pecan]

it's a lot easier than it sounds on first glance, i've played around a lot with it

[unique warren]

Whoever had that idea should be… firmly scolded

[bold flame]

I dunno, I find it very rewarding

[dull heart]

Guns are better at close range anyway

By guns I mean

[grave geyser]

what is

[dull heart]

Shotguns

[unique warren]

Yeah that’s cause that’s how they work

[grave geyser]

the chloro bullets in question

[bold flame]

and SMGs like the Uzi and P90

and pistols

the only ones that aren't used at close range would be launchers (obv) and like, the snipers/rifles

and the big "fuck you" guns like kingsbane

[unique warren]

Me when I get consistent damage in exchange for said damage being dogshit

[bold flame]

chloro is great in base game

[unique warren]

And every non-shotgun weapon ever

[lyric trellis]

Grape Beer

[bold flame]

not in cal

btw, shotguns can actually be more problematic at a range than close up

[unique warren]

Crystal Bullets mog the fuck out of them

[unique warren]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-laugh-laughing-gif-10107777875102130969

Embed fail but you get the point

[grave geyser]

you say that like this isnt true for nearly every bullet in the fucking game

[unique warren]

Yes

[safe ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1381304934401708043/1399625961686958080/loovigg_-_1949977449195823547.gif

[grave geyser]

at least chloro has a niche

[unique warren]

This is because you should only ever be using crystal bullets

[halcyon seal]

Chloros are very good in base terraria but only because the game is easy enough for you to not have to worry about bullet types too hard

[unique warren]

Venom Bullets are cool tho

[halcyon seal]

So the easiest option is usually the best one

[bold flame]

I think it's Secrets of the Shadows that changes chloro to a more interesting mechanic, and puts the tracking/homing on a more reasonable bullet

[unique warren]

Hmmm nah

Like I get it

But just use crystal bullets 🥀

[bold flame]

SotS makes chloro bullets bounce, like the arrows. And puts the homing on the nanite bullets

[halcyon seal]

I agree that crystal bullets are cooler

[unique warren]

And easier to get

[halcyon seal]

But most fun bullet is always gonna be luminite

And most practical bullet is either Chlorophyte or ichor

[bold flame]

Luminite bullet and God Slayer Slugs

[unique warren]

[halcyon seal]

(Or uh. Party bullets lol)

[bold flame]

right...y'all see they basically gutted dart guns?

[unique warren]

Chloro more practical than Crystal 🥀

[halcyon seal]

I wouldn’t say gutted as much as made reasonable

[unique warren]

Yeah dart guns are still amazing lol

The nerf literally only affected destroyer

[bold flame]

and mechdusa

(I play a lot of gfb)

[unique warren]

Ohhhh so that’s why you are the way you are

[bold flame]

what's that supposed to mean

[unique warren]

It’s why I moderately disagree with some of your takes

[halcyon seal]

Speaking of optimizing do we fw 1.4.5 revolver

It’s funny that they made tin enchantment an item but it looks really fun

[bold flame]

I'm not insane...I only went a little crazy after beating the secret boss that's an alternative to calamitas pre-fab removal

[unique warren]

This is because tin enchant is peak as fuck

[halcyon seal]

It is

[bold flame]

the ramping up crit?

[halcyon seal]

Yeah

[bold flame]

I haven't really played that much of Fargo's honestly.

[unique warren]

Though revolver is kind of a mix of tin and Adamantite

[unique warren]

Yo check out DLC

[bold flame]

I have

[unique warren]

They made exo mechs good yayyy

[bold flame]

I'm not a big fan of fargo's because it adds too much shit

[unique warren]

Okay I have to ask

[arctic cliff]

you can just use wrath of the machines

[bold flame]

and yes, I know, it all becomes one item later, but that one item makes my frames go from 60 to fucking 10

[unique warren]

Why are you a fan of cal then

[halcyon seal]

The difference is tin ramps up crit when you aren’t getting hit, revolver ramps up crit when you’re timing well

Oh so NOW my internet decides to die

[unique warren]

Ooh you don’t know about the effects settingssss

[bold flame]

I have a searign hatred for the mutant and abomination fight. and eridanus

[halcyon seal]

There’s a config that lets you just not

[arctic cliff]

Wrath of the Machines is Lucille's mod that has the Exo Mech DLC changes independent of that mod

[bold flame]

seriously?

[halcyon seal]

It barely affects your DPS in the endgame to have min effects lol

[bold flame]

when was that added?

[halcyon seal]

Yes

It’s been here for like 5 years

[unique warren]

Sorta

It was in config for a while

It’s in the inventory UI now tho

[unique warren]

No offense to cal when I say this

What cal boss is better than even the worst of those three

[halcyon seal]

Uhhh Providence

[bold flame]

I see...I suddenly have an urge to try and beat true radiance EoL...but I know how that's gonna end up

[unique warren]

Like I could see scal maybe

[halcyon seal]

Providence

And Providence

[unique warren]

Get rid of the globs and I’m all in

[bold flame]

personally?

[unique warren]

Providence is some peak I won’t lie to you

And without the globs I could see it being better than Eri

[bold flame]

I really enjoy Anahita, Goliath, Prov...uh, it's taking a bit cuz I've played too much gfb. My views are probably warped from yours

[arctic cliff]

and MIND YOU. Provi is peak for a Calamity boss

[unique warren]

Oh yeah that’s like

[arctic cliff]

i can see how Infernum Providence might not be liked by everyone

but i think she is absolutely spectacular as a fight

[unique warren]

One of the three actually great cal bosses

[blazing field]

i hate pbg i hate pb gi hate pbg

that fucking bee that i hate that fucking bee that i hate

[bold flame]

Honestly, for me the most peak boss ever is literally Lucille's Wrath of the Empress

[unique warren]

Providence, Scal, and Hive Mind my goats

[halcyon seal]

I think inf provi is the best boss in the mod purely based on quality

I like guardians and scal more though

[bold flame]

Oh, and Catalyst's Astrageldon

I like fights that feel like a dance

that explains why I loved the Dancer of Boreal Valley in ds3...

[arctic cliff]

I think Inf Aquatic Scourge is actually peak for me ngl

[unique warren]

Kinda cheating but alright

[bold flame]

I'm just saying the kind of boss fights I prefer. basically two combatants dancing on the field to see who will win

dancing with lethal weapons sure, but still dancing

[halcyon seal]

This type of fight is exactly why I like fargos fights lol

Everything just, flows

So nicely

[bold flame]

I dunno, abomination and mutant just felt like a 5 year old vomited projectiles all over my screen

with no cohesion

dlc mutant is especially bad

[unique warren]

They’re very sophisticated fights

[halcyon seal]

I don’t really know how to rebut that other than just, they’re not like that?

Every abom and mutant attack is pretty carefully designed from my experience

[unique warren]

They can sorta look like that at times

But they’re not

[halcyon seal]

Even if they look like projectile vomit, they most definitely do not play like that

Projectile vomit would be whatever the fuck Ares is doing

[unique warren]

I’ve heard DLC exo mechs is really good

[bold flame]

the abom fight is tolerable to an extent for me, but the mutant fight felt like I was forced to fight this shit just to beat the mod
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Supreme_Ultramage,_Permafrost

[unique warren]

I haven’t rlly seen any of the others ones tho

[halcyon seal]

They are

DLC exos is great

[unique warren]

What difficulty

[halcyon seal]

Infernum exos is horrible but it has some potential

Base exos is unsalvagable

[bold flame]

that's a gfb exclusive boss

[unique warren]

No I mean for mutant

[bold flame]

oh

i think it was maso?

[unique warren]

“Has potential” as if it they’re ever getting updated

[unique warren]

Did you play eternity beforehand

[bold flame]

yes, twice

the base fargo's

[unique warren]

Hmm… yeah idk man that’s kinda just not true

[bold flame]

not dlc

[halcyon seal]

If they were updated

I feel like maso mutant is almost perfect

There are some attacks I don’t like, mainly slime rain

[unique warren]

Maso mutant is probably the hardest boss in modded terraria that’s still good

[halcyon seal]

But for the most part

I wouldn’t change anything

[unique warren]

Like there are harder bosses but they kinda ain’t good

[halcyon seal]

I think abom is harder

And harder bosses def do exist

[unique warren]

That’s valid actually

[bold flame]

Radiance EoL is peak for insane difficulty

[unique warren]

Mutant is a harder positioning boss and Abom is a harder reaction time boss in my experience

[halcyon seal]

As of now hardest boss goes to uhc satanist mechdusa I think?

[bold flame]

she's also pretty cohesive, but it's really really stressful

[unique warren]

Yeah but like

I said good

[halcyon seal]

Good and hard diverge at a certain point

[unique warren]

Like the implication that it must also be a good boss

[halcyon seal]

The hardest good boss is probably abom

[unique warren]

Yeah and Maso mutant is that point is what I’d say

Or that

It’s really a test of what you struggle with more

There are a lot of people who struggle with mutant a lotttt more

[bold flame]

hi 🖐️

[unique warren]

I would like to note that the boss is changing

[halcyon seal]

Ofc, 2.0 changes A Lot

And I’m hopeful that the reworks will make an already incredible fight even better

[bold flame]

positioning is not my forte. so according to y'all, mutant is truly the bane of my existence

[halcyon seal]

Like Fargos is my favorite mod of all time

[unique warren]

Hmmmm

Yeah probably same

It’s the best one imo, putting my biases aside as much as possible

[bold flame]

is it even more of a favourite than say, magic storage?

[halcyon seal]

Magic storage is ass

I only use that mod because I have to

[bold flame]

you won't have to in 1.4.5

[halcyon seal]

The moment a good alternative appears I’m dropping it for good

Great

[bold flame]

they literally implemented the entirety of magic storage, aside from the storage cells and like, wireless remotes

crafting from chests within a range (including safe, piggy bank, and void vault

a search bar and tabs for specific groups of items

the whole nine yards

[unique warren]

Why do you say that?

[halcyon seal]

It lags so bad

[unique warren]

Like it’s nothing special but it’s… nice to have

Ahhh

Never experienced that myself but fair

[halcyon seal]

I used magic storage on my all addons playthrough and, while it def wasn’t the only source of lag

[bold flame]

apparently, there's a loud minority of people screaming that this change ruins terraria

[halcyon seal]

Whenever I opened magic storage my game froze for 30 seconds

[unique warren]

😭

[bold flame]

iirc, that's a problem with the amount of storage slots you're using

or even with some specific storage units themselves

like, they may have glitched or bugged when placed

or your version of the mod needs a fresh, clean install

or, I dont' want to assume this one, your pc isn't able to keep up with the amount of info the mod stores

[unique warren]

Idk man I use a Mac

Never had an issue

[bold flame]

mac 'n cheese

[unique warren]

I mean, with magic storage itself

[bold flame]

yeah

[unique warren]

Revengeance DoG took me… was it 300 or 500 tries?

Cause laser wall lag

[bold flame]

there's a whole slurry of reasons, but it's certainly not the mod itself that's a core issue

it's likely a mix of all sorts of factors really

I am glad that 1.4.5 makes the magic storage mod essentially pointless to have though

There's even really cool chests to use too

like I think crimtane and demonite chests and stuff

[lethal kraken]

got lucky so it is now bat time

[bold flame]

heck ya

[simple merlin]

I preferred DragonVault over MagicStorage personally

[lethal kraken]

also i may still use magic storage unless theres also a search bar for the insides of chests themselves when i need to find something specifically

[bold flame]

ah, there isn't that no

but there's a mod specifically for that though

it may not be ported/updated to 1.4.5 but we won't know until it happens

[lethal kraken]

true yea may use that although i have liked magic storage when i've used it so may just continue but i'll cross that bridge when i get there next year or whenever may be multiple years before i play again

[bold flame]

to be fair

magic storage also makes your workspace...cleaner

[lethal kraken]

yea that too

[bold flame]

and doesn't require you to get artisan loaf

if you dont' use magic storage, this is essentially the ideal workshop build in vanilla at the very least

it does not look good lmao

[blazing field]

just don't make the ideal workshop

its just that shrimple

[halcyon seal]

ok but half of these are for random furniture sets

[vocal kelp]

Also it's outdated

[distant raft]

wait what the fuck is the goblet for

[vocal kelp]

1.4.5 made the thing bigge r

[distant raft]

i get the table and chair (no longer needed in 1.4.5)

but the goblet????

[bold flame]

probably a leftover from pre-alch table

a glass bottle would be harder to see than a golden chalice from the trader

[bold flame]

and some of us really want to get to building with all these cool new building blocks

and see how some of the old ones mesh with the new

[halcyon seal]

yeah but if you want that you can just place down crafting stations as needed lol

you do not need access to the cloning vat or blend-o-matic at all times

[bold flame]

too lazy to rummage through my chests to find a crafting station, but I know whatcha mean

[distant raft]

making a mod that has required recipes that involve all crafting stations and making sure its incompatible with magic storage

[bold flame]

dear god no

[vocal kelp]

You can just place them down it just doesn't have to be optimal

[lethal kraken]

did not know there was this strong of an adhesion dang

[primal violet]

erm i know this has probably been answered and asked alot but is calamity compatible with 1.4.5

[safe zephyr]

Calamity isn't gonna be on 1.4.5 for ages since tmod itself has to update to 1.4.5 first and then calamity will have to. Both of which will take a while

[primal violet]

ty for answering goat

[elder yacht]

do you guys think rollerskates are gonna get nerfed?

[dull heart]

check the first pin for details

[dull heart]

yes

[safe zephyr]

Don't see a reason to, they seem to be specifically designed around platform building

[dull heart]

have you used them?

they give better movement than any boots

[dusk bronze]

they're better than lightning boots and magiluminescence combined

[elder yacht]

I recently used them and immediately thought "these things are getting hella nerfed in calamity"

[dull heart]

it's like Terraspark + Frog Leg + Magiluminescence combined

[elder yacht]

yeah

[safe zephyr]

They're bringing back pre-boss hellstone atp nothing can surprise me

[dull heart]

if it cost an accessory slot it might be fine?

but like

it's a mount

[dusk bronze]

mmmmm no

[dull heart]

i think it would be because a lot of other movement accessories don't work with them

[elder yacht]

I feel like either the speed is gonna get capped pretty hard, or you lose all horizontal momentum if you use any vertical movement ability (double jumps/wings)

[dull heart]

frog leg, magic carpet, rocket boots

all don't work

[safe zephyr]

For calamity they might be

[dull heart]

my expectaction is the speed getting cut from 1.5x to 1.25x

[elder yacht]

yeah that'd be fair

[dusk bronze]

what if you could only glide on hard surfaces
trying to skate through like grass or sand would be slow

[elder yacht]

honestly I still like them since not having to use boots is pretty nice for build setups

[dull heart]

(2.25x is their speed in vanilla, but due to calamity giving 1.5x base speed the baseline nerf they get to match vanilla is 2.25x to 1.5x)

[elder yacht]

2.25x is crazy

[safe zephyr]

With how slow the starting speed in vanilla is it almost makes sense

[dull heart]

2.25x makes them identical to lightning at base

but they scale with move speed some so they're actually better than lightning

[safe zephyr]

Didn't they scale with building speed or something

Cause they are literally made for platforms

[elder yacht]

honestly my favorite part about them is that they're good for multiplayer, since it's much easier to get every player on the server a pair of roller skates than it is to get everyone lightning boots (for vanilla at least)

[dusk bronze]

this would make it so you'd have to set up infrastructure to use them effectively on things other than rails

[safe zephyr]

I mean, people already make arenas for bosses, that'd be the primary balancing issue

I don't think they'd bother to nerf smn just cause it makes you move fast in normal gameplay

[dull heart]

the slow mode does

they have two modes

[safe zephyr]

Especially considering the momentum capacitor exists

[dusk bronze]

that's not preboss though

[dull heart]

momentum capacitor also disables itself entirely during bosses

[safe zephyr]

That's my point

It wouldn't really make sense to nerf them just cause they make you move good during normal gameplay

[dusk bronze]

yes it does

they're better than any prehardmode movement accessory

and you can get them preboss

[elder yacht]

and they don't take up an accessory slot

[safe zephyr]

Make it so that the wall of flesh breaks your ankles or smn idfk

[dusk bronze]

terraria isn't only bossfights
there's plenty of exploration to do

especially prehardmode

[safe zephyr]

You still need the travelling merchant to even sell you these, you COULD make them locked behind some of the first bosses

By which point you would have other movement options

[dusk bronze]

skeleton merchant also sells them

[dusk bronze]

and yet they're still better

[safe zephyr]

Idk, I just don't think it's such a big problem, it's not like being fast would ruin the game's entire exploration aspect or something

[dull heart]

the problem is

roller skates are literally just better than every other option

[dusk bronze]

the only downside is that sometimes you're too agile and can't do precision movement well

but you can just dismount

[elder yacht]

yeah

honestly the sliding only becomes a big problem once you make it to DoG

but you can just dismount during the laser grid phase

[safe zephyr]

I can't see myself using rollerskates and a platform in favor of other movement during that fight, I might be underestimating their speed but like, DoG ain't slow

[elder yacht]

only boss fight where you wouldn't want them is S Cal since the Draedon gaming chair is better

[dull heart]

except the new chillet mount which

is also broken

[dull heart]

no you'd drop them around post mechs i think

because angel treads

[elder yacht]

I wanna try the Chillet mount with Slagsplitter Pauldrons

[dull heart]

chillet is also going to get nerfed for sure

[safe zephyr]

Probably concerns for when tmod goes to 1.4.5 in 10 years

[dusk bronze]

it'll be this year

[unique warren]

I’m really glad they made Nadir auric tier

[elder yacht]

who's Nadir?

[dusk bronze]

weapon

[unique warren]

I know that was nearly three years ago

But I was so hyped when that happened

It probably mostly happened cause Zenith in the same tier and like

Parallels and shit

[dusk bronze]

[grim pecan]

they nerfed lightning it's so over

[dusk bronze]

💔

[elder yacht]

speaking of post moonlord weapons, do you guys think Possession is gonna get nerfed/moved later into progression?

[unique warren]

Does it need to be…?

[grim pecan]

moved later no, nerfed probably, is any of this concrete no

[unique warren]

Yeah like it’s no Zenith

[elder yacht]

yeah

honestly I'm pretty happy with the new whips in 1.4.5

[unique warren]

Same kinda

Slime Whip is incredibly underwhelming but other than that, hype

[grim pecan]

maybe it won't be nerfed, that's really up in the air. we don't have our hands on it yet, so anything i just say is speculation

[safe zephyr]

Better than having like 2 whips in the entirety of preHM

[elder yacht]

yeah

[safe zephyr]

Leather whip doesn't exist

[elder yacht]

the main thing I like about the 1.4.5 whips is how they expanded on unique whip effects

the Duke Fishron one has my favorite effect

[safe zephyr]

They gotta compensate for the removal of whip stacking somehow

[unique warren]

Or they could just like

[elder yacht]

yeah, I don't personally mind the removal of whip stacking

[unique warren]

Have both

[deft lily]

hi hello hows everyone doing

[elder yacht]

doing good

[cobalt wharf]

is cal still gonna go all in on the like

[deft lily]

good for you

must be nice

:)

[cobalt wharf]

firecracker esque scaling effects using whip damage instead of minion damage

[unique warren]

Yeah that’s a tad odd

[cobalt wharf]

idrc either way but just curious

it would make sense

[grim pecan]

probably? i do like firecracker being a niche option for the rest of the game, but realistically yea.

again these are just my own personal thoughts

[safe zephyr]

Is morning star as slow in vanilla as it is in calamity, I used it for the first time in ages in a calamity mp summoner run and I don't remember it being this abysmally slow

[unique warren]

Also cal should make the Raider’s Talisman effect inherent to rogue

[cobalt wharf]

well now it’s not a niche option it’s outclassed after plantera

[deft lily]

summoners looking up on the wiki on how to summon fun

[unique warren]

It would be cool

[grim pecan]

you might have used it back when whips scaled with melee speed

[cobalt wharf]

there’s also the meteor whip which works the exact same

[grim pecan]

we don't nerf the use time afaik?

[safe zephyr]

Possible ig

[grim pecan]

yeah it'll probably be scaled off of the whip damage then

[blazing field]

i'm ngl its like

so weird that it sets thins on fire

[unique warren]

Like this would mostly fix rogue gameplay where you could swap between the two instead of just going all in on either or

[blazing field]

like how does it do that

[safe zephyr]

Anyway, I just realised it's like 5am so, imma head to sleep, gn slimes

[blazing field]

yeah i know slime is flammable but why is it spontaneously combusting

[deft lily]

relogic moment

[vocal kelp]

Tip of the whip moves very fast it heats up

[blazing field]

itd be cooler if it just made enemies more susceptible to fire instead

[grim pecan]

^

[fierce hearth]

Uhhhhhh friction burn :)

[grim pecan]

whip cracks are supersonic so

[blazing field]

I guess that makes sense

didn't think of that

[deft lily]

summoner seems still like a uh
eh class

still

[main falcon]

Yeah i remenber someone liking the idea of the tip of the whip having an effect

[fierce hearth]

Ooh we could get a funny gimmick whip with a tipper effect that might be fun.

Shakes your hand

[main falcon]

It was cool to see it in the vanilla game with the slime whip

[fierce hearth]

Exo bullwhip that creates a stupid fuckass explosion

[main falcon]

You inflict a debuff that strengths the burn you inflict when getting in the tipper

[deft lily]

wow thats pretty cool

thanks

👍

[main falcon]

I wonder if any of the new weapons will be used in calamity recipes

[grim pecan]

yes

[main falcon]

Like the killing deck in the aces high for example

[fierce hearth]

Actually it would be fun to get a summoner whip that is charged for increased damage or even debuff quality level. I'd really like a bullwhip that you actually do the funny thing where you hold the coil and posture up before cracking it.

[unique warren]

But yeah uh I think it would be cool if stealth strikes maybe made rogue spam have faster speed for 5 seconds or smth that would be a cool gimmick for the class

[grim pecan]

no matter what card weapon is added, ace's high gets an entirely other classes' weapon shoved in its recipe

[deft lily]

i think cal should add a whip that has a 0.00000000001% chance to crash the game

[main falcon]

Much like gambling, you gotta be prepared for the unexpected

[obtuse hawk]

doesn't ace's high have fantasy talisman in its recipe

[unique warren]

Like c’mon this would be hype!!! Extremely peak!!

[main falcon]

Yeah but i asked if any new vanilla weapons would be added to call recipes for better fitting

[grim pecan]

crossover content no, the new whips definitely when we add our own.

[blazing field]

it all returns to spirit reforged clubs

[main falcon]

And since the aces high is a card based weapon like the killing deck would be more fitting to use that in its crafting that the talismen

[deft lily]

anyways

sso never

[blazing field]

add a new ranged weapon thats a card

[grim pecan]

speaking of gambling fantasy talisman now has a balatro reference

[blazing field]

that way it can have it on its carfting recipe without it being from entirely another weapon! gg! #easy

[main falcon]

I do wonder

Was there even stated why crossover content doesn't get touched in calamity

[deft lily]

add a new melee weapon thats so tedious to use it makes me want to install cal overhaul

[blazing field]

If i had to guess part of the reason is that calamity already has too much crossover/reference content as is 😭

[frail owl]

hm we now have jesus and woke lesbian jesus

[blazing field]

it hurts the mod's attempt of being a origianl content mod if so much of its content is just Thing from Media
Like i think that sorta thing is fine but yknow, the fact

calamity's most icconic weapon

[unique warren]

Does cal even have a single bit of actual crossover content? Like it’s all references right

[blazing field]

in its entirety

is not even a calamity thing

[grim pecan]

we have that it's called phaseslayer

[main falcon]

Like nigthmare fuel is a don't starve reference alredy from what I know

[blazing field]

is uhhhhhhh ngervous gulp

[blazing field]

I don't think it is because like

"nightmare fuel" is

[deft lily]

fair

[frail owl]

carpal tunnel gaming

[blazing field]

a very common expression

dont starve didnt invent it

[main falcon]

Why haven't they tied back to the actual dont starve crossover

[unique warren]

Like I can’t remember one

[blazing field]

in fact dont starve nightmare fuel being called that is a joke in of itself

because of the expression nightmare fuel

which existed way before dont starve did

its just a awy to say this shit scary!

cal nightmare fuel dosen't even really look like don't starves

[main falcon]

I just think it would be funny for deerclops to get buffed and drop nigthmare after dog for the lols

[deft lily]

i think it would be funny if deerclops didnt suck ass to fight to begin with

[blazing field]

agony

Agony sticker

[deft lily]

i legitimately never fight the thing

[blazing field]

i fight it sometimes

[fierce hearth]

Lunar what is the most iconic weapon. I'm not in touch with the community enough to know

[main falcon]

Just like black frezzer

[blazing field]

Murasama

[halcyon seal]

If I had to guess it’s because they’re entirely non-canon and there aren’t donor items for them

[frail owl]

bug

[grim pecan]

we will actually have a collaboration item with brainstorm dropping, with Radom Access Mayhem. everything else is just a reference.

being starmada

[fierce hearth]

Right

[deft lily]

[halcyon seal]

You can’t really make something like OOA or Deerclops function if you want to have a coherent story honestly

[blazing field]

yknow the only weapon getting several different variants, a entire upgrade line, which people download entire addons just to expand on the functionality of...

[halcyon seal]

Like why are they here

[fierce hearth]

I forgot it because I use it for like 5 seconds usually because it's very situational in its stage of the game

[blazing field]

And it's from metal gear rising

[halcyon seal]

What does Yharim think of Deerclops

Does he fw her

[deft lily]

the 391249194th metal gear reference in calamity!!!!

[main falcon]

I know why

The same reason in vanilla lore

[blazing field]

Eh it can work

It's not about whether it can work or not

[main falcon]

It got teleported by the terrarium object from don't starve

[blazing field]

It's about writers not wanting to include that sort of thing due to it not fitting their vision

and that's fine

[main falcon]

That's deadass the lore of the crossover

[blazing field]

Yeah in vanilla

[fierce hearth]

It is funny how the Murasama can have such stupid damage numbers because the bosses at the stage it becomes available are so hostile to true-melee

[blazing field]

Calamity lore is generally separate

[main falcon]

A pirámide that contains a terraria world absorbed deerclops

Yeah but that would be the same explanation

[blazing field]

Which one is it anyways

[main falcon]

Deerclops just got to the cam world instead of vanilla

[blazing field]

Is it in the changelogs or nope

[grim pecan]

#spoilers message

[main falcon]

Yharim's doesn't have to have an opinion on him because he is not a natural part of the world

[blazing field]

Oh right that

[blazing field]

I do'nt see

how that means anything

You can still have an opinion on something if it's not a natural part of the world...?

Ah yes. i do not have a opinon on the industrial revolution. its not a natural part of the world

[deft lily]

most coherent cal fan

[main falcon]

Yeah but yharim's is not around now to see deerclops in some random snowy area

[blazing field]

He's seeing stuff through you

How else would he be talking to you directly about things that are happening around you, + astral infection

[deft lily]

this isn't very updatious

[blazing field]

Also i don't think he writers want to deal with the implication of multiple realities existing 😭 😭

[main falcon]

"quite a strong snowstorm, what the hell is that thing"

[deft lily]

brainstorm soontm

[blazing field]

Like it works in Terrarai because Terraria

has barely any lore and dosent take itself serioulsy in the slightest

Calamity has an actual cohesive narrative and wroldbuilding and is far more grounded

Not to say it can't have silly shit

But if it has like major worldbuilding implications it might be for the best to not really incorporate it as a serious part of the lore or anything and just let it be its own little thing off to the side

[deft lily]

most vanilla bosses' lore is like that in cal icl

[main falcon]

Yharim's seeing deerclops

[deft lily]

good example is queen slime

just this little thing that doesn't really impact the story all that much

[blazing field]

i dunno about that chief it1's literally slime god

[deft lily]

oh

[blazing field]

if anything it has some of the Most lore impact and a rather controversial one at that

[deft lily]

then forget i said anything 👍

[main falcon]

I mean

[blazing field]

its one of the reasons the tier shift is even happening, amongst others

[main falcon]

It's not visually connected yet from what I know

[blazing field]

cuz queen's slime lore is uh. wacky

[main falcon]

That's why it's easy to miss

[blazing field]

It is yeah

Cuz you see the modded boss running away

and your first assumption isn't

"oh yeah of course it's this vanilla boss now."

[blazing field]

bandaid fix but since theres more freedom to change stuff up now

slime god can be tier shifted

amen

not confirmed yet byeah

hoping it does

[deft lily]

idrc atp if it happens or not

i just want the fight to not suck

[blazing field]

yeah thats all boss fights might aswell say grass is green 😭

[main falcon]

Tier shifted slime god is scary

[deft lily]

then...
forget i said anything, again 👍

[main falcon]

I alredy have pain figthing 2 king slimes at once

[blazing field]

It'd be the placement calclone is at atm so not too far off its current placement

Also it's fight would be completely reworked, tier shift or not, so

hopefully not just. Biome Mimic Deluxe

[main falcon]

The idea that one of them could become queen slime scared me

Queen slime is chaotic as is

And if the tier shifted slime god is based around it so I would have to dodge a slime queen qhile getting snipped by a slime king I would cry

[deft lily]

okay

anyways

brainstorm... tomorrow?

[hollow harness]

nope

[deft lily]

(pls)

[main falcon]

Brainstorm was yesterday

[hollow harness]

New Terraria patch now

[deft lily]

/j

[frail owl]

why not pay for 50$ to experience it right now

[deft lily]

worst mistake of my life perhaps

[blazing field]

It probably won't be based of anything

Don't make these sorts of jokes, ty

[distant raft]

bah! what the dame da fuck is this!

[deft lily]

feels like my support doesn't feel appreciated icl

[blazing field]

I know you specified /j but still not the place for it

[main falcon]

I just said that

[deft lily]

okay

[blazing field]

Anyways as i was saying

Bosses are only based of other things because Fabsol coded them that way

Other programmers generally uh

don't do that

[frail owl]

dont dot hat

[blazing field]

Safe to say that any future boss reworks own't really be "based" of vanilla bosses or enemies like that

[deft lily]

-# yeah thank the fuck cuz jesus christ

current master death mode is uhh
how should i put this
a completely fucking disaster (yeah nothing new)

[echo oasis]

Will brainstorm be fixing master death?

Or will that be for another update

[deft lily]

check pins

[wispy blade]

master death is dead bc there was a difficulty rework

[deft lily]

^

cal fans when reading

[hot lark]

Should I start new calamity world or wait till update? Is it gonna change world generation or smth

[deft lily]

wait until the update

hi searslug

[halcyon seal]

Betsy lore item:
“didn’t these girls literally all die except for yharon why the FUCK is there another dragon”

[hollow harness]

It comes from the Defenders Rift

[deft lily]

old ones army try to be good challenge (impossible)

[frail owl]

yharon is just if duke and betsy conceived a child and someone decided to inject some phoenix dna into the infant

[dusk bronze]

yharon is already a phoenix

[deft lily]

insert "unique ai gif" here

[dusk bronze]

nevermind i'm illiterate

disregard me

[frail owl]

yeah but would a child of a dragon and a pig-fish or something initailly resemble a phoenix?

[deft lily]

i feel like ive ruined everything

[dull heart]

1.4.5 made me realize what snapthorn's issue is

the jungle is just too easy

[fathom girder]

yea

[dense needle]

yeah

[fathom girder]

so many cool whips and like

snapthorn is also preboss

[dull heart]

it inspired me to finally get back onto making roots

[deft lily]

what a tragedy

[dense needle]

this is also boomstick's problem

[dull heart]

i just coded new man eater ai to make jungle less easy

[fathom girder]

make snapthorn require hellstone :)

[dull heart]

lame

jungle should be doable pre-boss just actually difficult

it should still be semi-challenging with Shadow/Crimson armor

[deft lily]

remove snapthorn
in fact remove the summoner class

problem solved

[fathom girder]

I see your logic

[dull heart]

done

[fathom girder]

My idea was like. It makes snapthorn post evil but also you gotta go to the underworld for it, which means you can also make some use of the evil whip

[deft lily]

woooo

[dull heart]

the evil whip is pre-boss

[dense needle]

malicious compliance

[dull heart]

which is fine

[fathom girder]

oh right

forgor

[dense needle]

oh, this IS technically true

[dull heart]

not even technically

[fathom girder]

your method is a more natural push towards progression for sure

[dull heart]

it's just true

[dense needle]

shoutout to cobwhip literally being a whip and a summon at the same time

[dull heart]

it's ok i'm not classist

[dense needle]

the evil ore is hard to find though, it's generally easier to just get like, silver gear and a sword and bow to take down eye for easy evil

[dull heart]

it's not hard to find, just bring bombs to evil biome

it's all over there

[dense needle]

EXTRA malicious compliance, i love it

[fathom girder]

Doze

[dense needle]

this is true... evil biome is also supposed to be scary like jungle though

[fathom girder]

you should revert the terrablade melee speed nerf and then make it cost like 30 mana per swing

lol

[dull heart]

true

evil is balanced post eye

[fathom girder]

the mana obliterator

[dull heart]

not quite 30

[fathom girder]

damn

[grave geyser]

probably doesnt need the attack speed nerf tbh

[dull heart]

this one's funny

[fathom girder]

I like that but like

when are you gonna be electrified

[dull heart]

it's so useless it's just funny'

[dense needle]

do lightning bolts inflict electrified?

if not... that's kinda funny

[fathom girder]

tactical martian invasion setup to melt duke fishron with influx waver

[dull heart]

electrified is onl from martians yup

[dense needle]

wow

[grave geyser]

so like why would you ever interact with mana when guns are right there and bullets are far less effort to maintain

[dull heart]

i made bullets harder to maintain

[grave geyser]

yknow what fair enough

[dense needle]

nice

[fathom girder]

do the infinite pouches cost mana too now

[dull heart]

ignore that i forgot chloro

[dense needle]

i do have to say, i don't see how this is calamity update talk

[fathom girder]

OH lik ethat

[dull heart]

this came from talking about the vanilla update so it's fine

it's just vanilla updates backwards tbhbh

[fathom girder]

I'm currently trying to find a use for the phaseblade/keyblade rework

[grave geyser]

spikey ball

[dense needle]

might consider moving to other-mod-talk to justify More talking about it

[dense needle]

this

phaseblade is Spiky Ball Supreme now

[fathom girder]

spiky ball but it does 50 damage and there's only one

[dense needle]

you only get one but dear god is it one hell of a spiky ball

[fathom girder]

but like what is that useful for

[dense needle]

is it tall enough to hit deerclops?