calamity-update-talk

[unique warren]

Both him and the clothier still read as old very well idk

[pale silo]

You seen traveling merchant?

[unique warren]

He's a tad smug ya

[pale silo]

Oop yeah

I've not seen everyone yet but angler/traveling/skeleton is best imo

Skeleton probably tops it all

[unique warren]

Cyborg is very good too

[pale silo]

Yet to get post plant (doing SB stuffs) so yet to see

[unique warren]

Would you like to see or do you wanna see it for yourself

[blazing field]

probably because they have white hair and a beard

[pale silo]

Idm

I'll probably see it accidentally anywyas

[blazing field]

if u took those away would u still be able to tell they're old

[pale silo]

I don't exactly hide from yt

[pearl sentinel]

i havent seen any

i still need to play

[blazing field]

i think its a valid critique some of these are kinda too clean

[pearl sentinel]

im a busy woman

[blazing field]

it works fine for some of em but for others its a tad weird

[unique warren]

I think it's just a general artstyle thing

Like, you can't rlly see the wrinkles that tax collector has on the other guys cause beard/mustache

I see y'all's point tho

[pale silo]

Tbh I don't dislike any of em from what I've seen. Goblin is Def worst but it also makes sense...he's a different race entirely so he'll ofc have different facial features.

[mild atlas]

Am I evil trying to see if there's a option to disable portraits

[pale silo]

Texture packs

[unique warren]

Not really lo

[stark quail]

idk if there is

[pale silo]

And no some dislike em

Which is fair tbh

[unique warren]

Honestly they're pretty consistently peak

[mild atlas]

Don't get me wrong some are fine
But alot seem they'd get tiring to constantly look it

Goblin Tinker example

[unique warren]

Shimmer him

[blazing field]

im sorry thatts os fucking funny to me

"oh my god youre so ugly why do i have to look at you all the time stop im tired of it go away"

😭

[unique warren]

I am glad they made gobby t ugly

[modern grove]

It's just not a good argument. If your art style can't depict older people as old then there's something wrong with your art style

[mild atlas]

[unique warren]

It's not about that, it's about how detailed an artstyle is

[blazing field]

I think you can still fit those sort of details in

[pale silo]

End of the day it's terraria, a game meant for all ages. Art style needs to have its own kick

[blazing field]

ok using stardew asn example

because this style is def reminiscent of it

[pale silo]

Tbf

The designer was probably a certain someone's wife

[unique warren]

I do see what y'all mean but idk if this means there's smth "wrong" with the artstyle

[pale silo]

Who loves stardew

[blazing field]

old people

[hollow harness]

as far as I know the portraits were made by Crowno

[mild atlas]

Stardew was one the things that made me realize I'm bisexual.

[unique warren]

Other than the last one, no wrinkles here either

[pale silo]

It is definitely a thing of all time

[modern grove]

Waiting for Vinh and Rusron. portraits texture packs🙏

[blazing field]

Slight bag under the eyes and this sort of chin thingy, things that help the design read as Old

[unique warren]

That feels like a stretch ngl

[modern grove]

My beloved

You should all support them on twitter dot com

[pale silo]

i miss cal blood moons smh

[pale silo]

goblin best

[unique warren]

Hm, these are kinda hit or miss

[fierce nebula]

X, the Everything App!

[modern grove]

First image is Vinh second is Rusron.

[pale silo]

some i like but some looks too low detailed, if that makes sense?

[mild atlas]

Stylist was one the charaters of all time as a catalyst to realize I'm not so cis when I was younger

[blazing field]

I really like the goblin ones

The first ones though ehh i'm not too sure abt em

They feel kinda uncanny valley to me

[pale silo]

Yeah

[unique warren]

Some work well in the first one

[blazing field]

Also the angler looks way too old to be honest 😭 its like the reverse issue except to be honest worse

[unique warren]

Old man, stylist, party girl notably

[blazing field]

Old man is really good yeah

[hollow harness]

cyborg is just locked in

[blazing field]

i also like demolitonist

[unique warren]

Steampunker is neat too

[modern grove]

I think he looks like 15-16 yo boy

Which I think fits

[unique warren]

Ehhhh

[twin juniper]

This Dryad portraits is lookin a little too happy while telling me my time is running out

[unique warren]

At 15 you're gonna be about the size of an adult

[blazing field]

Angler isn't really meant to read as a teenager

[unique warren]

Angler is short asf

[blazing field]

Never saw him that way nor do i think the devs intended him to b that

[modern grove]

I think he's anywhere between 10 and 16

[unique warren]

10 at most

[blazing field]

He looks way too calm and composed for Mr "Hello you are my slave now" too

[unique warren]

Ehhh I like how smug he looks

[pale silo]

He's too mastermind now Ur my slave then childish insanity now Ur my slave

[blazing field]

to me he just looks blank

[unique warren]

The fuckin smirk

[twin juniper]

Shimmered version look too innocent

[lapis oak]

Magic String makes fishing rod lines glow rainbow 🐟

[fierce nebula]

🫧 🐠

[unique warren]

fih

[blazing field]

I think most of the vanilla portraits are good but i think some of them feel like they missed the mark a bit

I think alot of them fit the character's personality fairly well but some others feel a bit too generic, like i think the dryad just having a default neutral smile feels a bit weird to me, but characters like the wizard, angler, tax collector and party girl imo express their personalities pretty well

[unique warren]

I think the guide's does too

[blazing field]

Guide is kinda just generic so him being generic makes sense

😭

[unique warren]

Yeah that's kinda what I was getting at lo

I like the arms dealer one too

[blazing field]

I really like the arms dealer too

[unique warren]

He looks so bored lmfao

[blazing field]

specially the shimmer version

i think the shimmer version actually fits him even better than default 😭

[unique warren]

Pirate is great too, Cyborg, Princess and Santa too def

[lapis oak]

why is there exists either Forceful or Strong???

both are fucking +15% knockback

[unique warren]

Truffle is amazing as well

[lapis oak]

what's the point of 1 of them existing

[blazing field]

Truffle has commited a grave sin which is what the fuck i didnt know he had 2 eyes

[unique warren]

I didn't know the shimmer variant had one 😭

[stark quail]

have my pyramid farm running while i go to school

#grindset

[modern grove]

Truffle has chin for some reason and his ugly ass eyes that look like they're glued to the face

[unique warren]

Truffle's is great

[mystic eagle]

The Goblin Tinkerer's is hilarious

[unique warren]

Oh and the Tax Collector is good too

[modern grove]

If only they followed how his face looks in the achievement

[blazing field]

truffle is so fucking weird and i cant tell if i hate it and it's a bad thing or if i hate it and it's a good thing

Like yeah no his eyes look glued to his face specailly on the shimmer

and he has like

huamn face anatomy

now is that a good thing or a bad thing i cannot fucking tell for the life of me

[unique warren]

I like it a lot

It's so vaguely humanoid but so obviously not

[mystic eagle]

Goblin Truenkerer

[unique warren]

Very uncanny valley

[blazing field]

i dont like oyu mushroom man stay awy fro mme

[unique warren]

Kinda reminds me of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

[blazing field]

how do you even talk

you dont have a mouth

go away

[amber furnace]

I dont like the arms dealer portrait
I like the truffle portrait because it makes him look suspicious and funny

[unique warren]

I love the arms dealer one

He's such a diva and we didn't even know 😭

[blazing field]

arms dealer is one of my favorites

squidward oh no hes hot clip

[unique warren]

Nurse is a bit basic but I wouldn't have done it any different tbh

[blazing field]

I think clothier, dryad and mechanic feel like the most eh to me? Oh and i also feel like Demoltionist dosen't look unhinged enough. He just looks angry. He's not an angry man he's a crazy man he joyfully wants to explode things

[pale silo]

It suits the truffle extremely well too just in general

[blazing field]

Nurse looking like she's bored out of her mind and done with everyone's shit is fitting

[amber furnace]

yeah lol

[pale silo]

She has to deal with the demo

So yeah

[misty wren]

she is actively in love with him isnt she

[unique warren]

I think for some of these I'm just like

What else could one do other than a basic expression

[misty wren]

wait no demo

[pale silo]

That's arms

[misty wren]

not

arms

[pale silo]

Yeah

[unique warren]

steampunker IS my wife but she's also kinda basic in general

Or like, how would you give the mechanic a less basic expression without it being weird

Dryad's is kinda off tho I won't lie

She's always been a bit of a jokester, funnily enough

[unique warren]

Idk about clothier tho, I like his

[amber furnace]

I like the skeleton merchants portrait

tuff as hell

[unique warren]

True...

[lapis oak]

yooooo

Meteor Shower hurts

[pale silo]

Dumb question. Has eyes spawn conditions changed?

I have 400 max hp and 20 defence, slept thru like 20 nights now

(just want to get eye out of the way so I don't have to worry ab my surface/space farms)

[unique warren]

Fair, but also why not make a summon

[pale silo]

Sb

No alter

[unique warren]

I seeee

[pale silo]

I assume there's some way to get one in hm or smth (for tissue samples/shadow scales) but that's a bit away

[unique warren]

How many npcs

[pale silo]

8 or smth

One sec

[unique warren]

Hmmm

Only need 4

[pale silo]

10

Yeah it's why I'm a bit confused

Maybe just really unluvky

[unique warren]

Doesn't say anything on the changelogs

[pale silo]

It's a 1/6 right?

If it is, that's only like 4th percentile or so, ima just sleep for more see what happens

[unique warren]

says 1/3 on wiki lolll

[wind creek]

i love how they improved the smart placement now

[pale silo]

Oop

[wind creek]

as long as you keep holding ur left click, the platform wont create those stairy mess no matter where u move your mouse

[pale silo]

Namely with platforms

Nah they just made stair placement far wider

You need to be a substantial bit further down/up to do it

Vs the old like 2 blocks off centre

[wind creek]

i mean like

if you hold left click, you can move your mouse up and down as you please

and it will still be the same

while walking or even fall off the platform

i hate cattiva and fireparks spawnrate though

havent seen them at all

no more having to get planter boxes

[pale silo]

Tbh I wasn't using em before anyways

Cause I could just...hold the mouse still

[hollow harness]

I still use them because I got used to it

[wind creek]

yeah but its way better like this

[hollow harness]

the indicator is cool

there are also the roller skates you can get from skeleton merchant

[lapis oak]

GOT ALL THE GEMS 🗣️

fuck Diamond

[wind creek]

it feels weird fighting these bosses on master now after those calamity difficulties

[wind creek]

now you can absorb them all to transform into a super form

actually nevermind... that was chaos emeralds.

[hollow harness]

playing vanilla after playing modded for like a lot of time felt weird at first but I got used to it

[wind creek]

it sucks that they still havent added a dash keybind

[pale silo]

And travelling merchant

Most op mount in the game

By far

[hollow harness]

true, although I don't necessarily mind it

[pale silo]

No question

You get faster then terraspark speed on a mount slot

[hollow harness]

like I get the usefulness of the dash keybind but also I don't really use it

[pale silo]

Need I say why that's great?

[pale silo]

I dislike the dash keybind tbh

It gets in the way more then it helps for me

Cause mouse keybind is weird with it

(if M1 is held, M4/5 dash override doesn't work)

Any other keybind on 4/5 does

It's fuckin weird

It's basically double tap dash but it's two seperate actions Vs one quick tap

[wind creek]

i use the extra mouse button and it works just fine

mouse 4 i think

[pale silo]

Doesn't for me god knows why. And it ain't the mouse that's the problem

Happens on 3 of my pcs and different mice too

[wind creek]

it made dashing for me much easier

[pine moat]

so someone asked if calamity mod was updating and i thought that the devs would wait until 1.4.5 tmodloader then do the update, only to find out there's an upcoming 2.1 update sometime in january/february in this year (if things go well)

just to clarify, im not asking "when will they update"

but i just wanted to clear things up, you guys will
a.) do the new update pre-1.4.5 then start working on new content and put that on 1.4.5 terraria, right?
or maybe
b.) you guys decided to push the brainstorm update further back and wait until 1.4.5 tmodloader?

"Calamity Mod will be ported to tModLoader 1.4.5. The current restricting factor is the API itself, which will need to be in a workable state before Calamity Mod itself is able to consider porting." if im reading this right on the pins, it means what i said with B is the right thing

[pale silo]

Tmod will be done in June time earliest tbh

So no waiting is worse

Brainstorm was planned to be last 1.4.4 update anyways afaia

Sso likely will be 1.4.5 port if tmod is fast, or it'll be 1.4.4 and a separate update afterwards to allows 1.4.5

[hollow harness]

Brainstorm update will release around in February and it will be in 1.4.4 tmodloader

[pine moat]

ahh okay. that's clear to me now. thanks! ill relay the answer

[hollow harness]

1.4.5 tmodloader will take like 6-10 months,

[pale silo]

Is Okies~ it can be a bit confusing

[amber furnace]

I hope that the new mechanic for the revolver gets put to the venom magnum as well

[pine moat]

then add a couple more half dozen month for the other mods to update XD

[pine moat]

<3 thanks for understanding

[hollow harness]

true

[hidden belfry]

I think the reason why Tmod will take so long is to make sure NONE of the older mods doesn't instantly turn into a hellish nightmare

[hollow harness]

api changes, porting, etc etc

[hidden belfry]

Fr

[hollow harness]

I don't blame them honestly they're like breaking their backs with stuff

[pale silo]

this one is beautiful

(when in vanity, changes ur hit sound. theres quite a few of em ive found so far)

chicken one, fairy one, now this one

[lean relic]

Theres crow one

[pale silo]

Maybe? I just keep getting the crow feather things

From ravens

Haven't seen a use for em yet

[hollow harness]

EEEEEEEUUUUGHH

[dull heart]

Those reduce luck by -0.1 when in inventory

[pale silo]

Does it stack?

[hollow harness]

Does wilted clover do something actually?

[pale silo]

Id presume more luck

[grave rock]

hi

[vocal kelp]

Wilted also reduces your luck

[hollow harness]

by how much

[grave rock]

wilted gives u less luck, no?

[vocal kelp]

A little

[hollow harness]

I assume so

[lean relic]

Its wilted so it decreases luck

[grave rock]

like 0.2, i think?

[hollow harness]

But idk if its like, -0.03 (the opposite of the four-leaf clover)

[lean relic]

Okay wilted clover is -0.1

[hollow harness]

oh alright

[lean relic]

Oh hey, horseshoe increases luck now

[grave rock]

it did before

[hollow harness]

yea

any horseshoe accessory gives luck including anything that the horseshoe can be utilized to craft

[main falcon]

Luck maxxing

[lean relic]

btw make sure to ask Wizard to see whats your current luck status is

[hollow harness]

I guess so but I'm in pre-hm still

also lucky coin line gives luck as well

and luck coming from these accessories is shared with other members of your team??

[pale silo]

lucky reforge i think also does in vanilla, cal just makes it visually show

[pale silo]

luck is on a player by player basis

[lean relic]

within 50 tiles of each other share their luck stats

[pale silo]

i assume luck sources dont stack within that radius tho

otherwise 1 gnome can get max luck with enough people

[hollow harness]

This is a Calamity change I believe

[lean relic]

the game generally uses the highest luck value among them

[pale silo]

Ages ago I remember a video ab luck maxing in vanilla and I swear I remember lucky reforge doing smth

[white aurora]

i got the cat one so now i meow meow mreow whenever i'm hit :3

[lean relic]

||whatahorriblenighttohaveacurse : vampirism winteriscoming : worldIsFrozen rainbowroad : rainbowStuff arachnophobia : noSpiderCaves monochrome : paintEverythingGray beammeup : addTeleporters toadstool : surfaceIsMushrooms planetoids : roundLandmasses nightofthelivingdead : graveyardBloodmoonStart molepeople : noSurface jinglealltheway : endlessChristmas iamerror : errorWorld royalewithcheese : teamBasedSpawns hocuspocus : endlessHalloween bringatowel : rainsForAYear xrayvision : coatEverythingIlluminant howdidigethere : randomSpawn tooeasy : startInHardmode waterpark : extraLiquid jaggedrocks : digExtraHoles truckstop : pooEverywhere savetherainforest : extraLivingTrees pumpkinseason : halloweenGen suchgreatheights : surfaceIsInSpace negativeinfinity : paintEverythingNegative invisibleplane : coatEverythingEcho thecarebearsmovie : extraFloatingIslands abandonedmanors : biggerAbandonedHouses fishmox : noInfection moretrapsplease : actuallyNoTraps purifythis : worldIsInfected sandybritches : surfaceIsDesert||
the community did found most secret seeds
3 are undiscovered yet

[orchid finch]

why does this image take like 40% of my screen

[mystic eagle]

"image"

[orchid finch]

oh it's spoilered text

and here I was thinking why it wasn't loading

[hushed mountain]

giant gray screen of doom and despair

[versed heart]

I'm basically just waiting for the ||Dual Dungeons|| one
The other 2 we don't have, I don't care about. Like, basically at all.

I probably wouldn't even care about ||Dual Dungeons|| if it weren't for Console & mobile having the old code tbh

[halcyon seal]

What the fuck is ||thecarebearsmovie||

[versed heart]

||Extra Floating Islands||
If you're talking about a literal ||Care Bears movie||, idk

[bleak vault]

What the heck are Calamity devs gonna do with Possession?

[mystic eagle]

What do you mean by 'Possession'

[hasty tangle]

im guessing terraria hashes the world seed so that variables for what they do can still be discovered but not the actual way to activate them?

[tribal isle]

what ive noticed is that you cant use vanity slots as additional storage for accessories 😭

[hasty tangle]

didnt they do that in 1.4 and then quickly undo it because it was dumb

[pale silo]

yeah iirc it was changed back fast

[versed heart]

Wdym storage? Iirc they could always be used to "store" an accessory, similar to inventory slots

[pale silo]

btw info accessories working in vanity is amazing

[woeful yarrow]

Fuck my mind

[hasty tangle]

for a short period of time they changed it

they made it so that non-vanity accs couldn't go in vanity

[woeful yarrow]

I'm sure that i eat something wrong before doing the getfixedboi Skyblock

[hasty tangle]

that was after 1.4

[pale silo]

i remember there being quite a few bugs with it too anyways

[versed heart]

Ah, okay, I vaguely remember that

[hasty tangle]

but then they undid it because frankly it wasnt a good change

[pale silo]

like just...right clicking the vanity slot with the main one in main slot

[jagged copper]

is the foxparks spawn criteria bugged or something?

[versed heart]

I think it's probably just super rare

I know it spawns in outer quarters, though

[jagged copper]

I've been sitting around the outer quarters of the world for hours now

[versed heart]

It being super rare would cause that, yeah

[jagged copper]

why does it have to be stupidly rare

[versed heart]

I mean, it doesn't need to. I find it kind of annoying

[woeful yarrow]

Hmmm

How to make artificial forest biome

[jagged copper]

dirt and staff of regrowth/grass seeds

[dull heart]

forest is the default when you have nothing else

there is no artifical forest

[woeful yarrow]

You don't have any idea what I'm in

[dull heart]

in general

[woeful yarrow]

Getfixedboi Skyblock

[dull heart]

forest doesn't have a way to make artifical ones

[lean relic]

....where are you at

[woeful yarrow]

That's what I'm in

[dull heart]

then go to the surface layer

well

[woeful yarrow]

No blocks

[dull heart]

the fake surface layer

[woeful yarrow]

I cAn get dirt

But no grass

[dull heart]

yeah you'll have to use like rope and platforms or something

[woeful yarrow]

I know

[jagged copper]

one thing as well the wiki is vague. "Grass". Alright, does that include evil biome grass?

[dull heart]

to get down to false surface height i assume

[woeful yarrow]

I'm trying to make my way to the shimmer

But the damn new slimes are killing me

Slime shooting bow

[dull heart]

? what are you reading

[lean relic]

sisyphus to the surface

[dull heart]

forest doesn't have blocks that make it up i'm 90% sure

as in blocks that define the biome

[jagged copper]

Foxparks can very rarely spawn on Grass, Jungle Grass, and Snow Blocks in the outer 1/4 of the world.

[dull heart]

oh

different combo

Grass would mean pure grass

[lean relic]

"Jungle grass"
Pure grass

[woeful yarrow]

I think I'm gonna try kill slimes in the surface

Instead of cavern

[jagged copper]

ok so that means the drunk seed makes it a nightmare then

[dull heart]

it should be fine if you transplant snow or go to jungle (if it's in outer 4ths)

[jagged copper]

unfortunately it isn't

rather the outer quarters are dominated by the evils

[frail owl]

rate my varus cosplay

[lean relic]

Do you have dryad in town

[frail owl]

yeah i'm mixing a few seeds in

[white gale]

do we know how the new vanilla update might effect the new calamity update's release?

[frail owl]

idk

[lean relic]

pins

[hasty tangle]

nope

[lean relic]

nope

[hasty tangle]

because the next update isnt gonna be on 1.4.5

[grave wasp]

Will my world like

[grave rock]

-"rate my cosplay"
-doesnt show it

[frail owl]

please play fargo while waiting for brainstorm

[jagged copper]

I FOUND HIM

[frail owl]

yeah

[grave wasp]

Become one of a kind master rev

[frail owl]

here

[grave wasp]

Or I will get forced into death mode

[jagged copper]

but i can't interact iuth him

[grave wasp]

Bnuuy

[frail owl]

tinkering with depot downloader gives you that

my game is now the collector's edition

even though it is not

[jagged copper]

guys I really need help

[frail owl]

ok

spill it out

[jagged copper]

nvm my friend got him

[fierce nebula]

Help!

Attack!

[frail owl]

🫧 🐠

[thorny glacier]

🎣

[bronze hound]

yo when will be first and second part of the update, I cannot wait for it?

[jagged copper]

Brainstorm is Jan/Feb

likely feb

[bronze hound]

its january and still no info so yk

[earnest jewel]

There's three, apparently.

[dull heart]

... First and second part?

[bronze hound]

ya generaly all update

i want to play it sooo bad

[dull heart]

there's not two parts to the update that's why I'm confused

[bronze hound]

oh

i read that this will be seperated on two parts but i see

thats better tho

[versed heart]

Are you referring to Sunken Sea Overhaul?

[dull heart]

The sunken sea content was cut from the update

Brainstorm is everything else that was planned

[versed heart]

The next update isn't Sunken Sea related, yeah

[thorny glacier]

just read the #mod-announcements channel and look at the second latest post

[lapis oak]

DUDE what's with all these BALLS in Queen Slime fight

[thorny glacier]

it’ll explain a lot

[lapis oak]

is this the infamous vanilla Queen Slime people talking about 😭

[versed heart]

I think so, yes

Minion spam+projectile spam=Queen Slime fight

[lapis oak]

also the Barrel Launcher is fucking awesome

❤️

[bronze hound]

so sunken sea won`t be in feb update?

[fierce nebula]

It won’t

[bronze hound]

okay

[fierce nebula]

Bs still adds a billion other things

[bronze hound]

thats fine

[dull heart]

Oh my goodness this last new window title

insane

[fierce nebula]

These are official?

[lapis oak]

Hawk Tuar

[rich ginkgo]

3 years late

[dull heart]

this is from the wiki

[earnest jewel]

I'm locking Red in the contraption.

[pale silo]

random names the game assigns when it loads, yeah

[fierce nebula]

I know about them but I didn’t think they’d add a hawk tuah reference in the big 2026

[pale silo]

they do a lot of stuff

[lapis oak]

tuah

[fierce nebula]

Hawk Tuarria is stealing their attention during pride month 🤣 💯

[queen umbra]

anyone found a way to get Foxsparks/Cattiva?
I kept searching the Goblin Scout spawn locations for the pal but couldn't find them

[lean relic]

It does spawn

Just your luck is uhhh

[queen umbra]

gruh]

[fossil sail]

are planter boxes changed in any way in cal?

[fierce hearth]

I'm fucking around in vanilla legendary for the first time and enjoying how absolutely miserable the boss minion spam is

At least I can get hellstone early in vanilla

I just have to deal with the underworld being flooded with lava and the pots constantly exploding

[dull heart]

They're just rare

Spawn on Grass, Jungle Grass, and Snow

In the outer 3rd of the world

Outer quarter*

[queen umbra]

yeah I've been there for a bit
only goblin scouts

[fierce hearth]

Legendary EoW feels like genuinely a joke

Especially because I think every single individual split off EoW segment has its own eater spawns, meaning if you split it up too much you'll not only get spammed by worms but also by minions

New palworld shit does make casual construction of arenas nice. Specifically digtoise I mean

[unique warren]

Does anyone know how to get the friendly rainbow boulder pet?

[pale silo]

I mean EoW was already like that

It's just amplified by the segments being an actual threat

and afaia the eater of souls spawning ain't a leg change, tho it is a change in this update

[fierce hearth]

Breaking a segment spawning an eater of souls is in fact a legendary change, but there might be a 1.4.5 change to allow for more eater spawning during the fight?

[pale silo]

I'm pretty sure it's now a master change. Unless the EoW music video was in legendary

But the damage looks too small to be legendary

[fierce hearth]

Hm, maybe

[gleaming hatch]

Is calamity playable for 1.4.5?

[unique warren]

No.

[gleaming hatch]

Ok.

[fathom girder]

w

[fierce hearth]

Oh man are we gonna import the vanilla ranged helmet/magic quiver change to Calamity

[icy stump]

tModLoaded is not updated to 1.4.5, it will take months, and after that, mods have to be ported to the new version

[unique warren]

I seriously am not sure why they don't let the tmod team port 1.4.5 earlier

[orchid finch]

Gas leaks

[fathom girder]

It's not a matter of "letting them"

Lol

[unique warren]

I am admittedly not super familiar with the relationship between the two teams

[fathom girder]

Porting isn't just done with a snap of the fingers

There are terraria devs in the tmod team

There's no drama

[fierce nebula]

The tmodloader situation is CRAZY

[fathom girder]

It's just that the port will take awhile because 1.4.5 is a massive ass update

[fierce nebula]

The 1.4.5 drama is INSANE

[unique warren]

Sure but do they at least get like, a head start

[hot pebble]

I just imagined something funny.
Susie, Ralsei and suddenly Yharim next to Susie, and she says, "Ralsei, Destiny is for the Weak."

[fathom girder]

No

[unique warren]

Hm.

[fathom girder]

Things can change on a whim before a release

Until it's set in stone via a public release there's not much to really do

[fierce nebula]

This drama is out of control

[unique warren]

You're not wrong but they can get started on the basics right

[fathom girder]

Hell if I know, my logic follows how tmod has ported for every single other update

[unique warren]

Fair, I just don't see why it would be much different from the mobile version

[orchid finch]

Ralsei, Destiny is for free on Steam

[hot pebble]

[fathom girder]

(And also 400 dollars)

[orchid finch]

That's besides the point

[hasty tangle]

yeah but why would you ever want to play THAT

[fierce hearth]

Tmodloader is developed by volunteers, so providing the team a 1.4.5 beta would functionally serve as a closed beta for a team that they're only informally working with, so they might have elected not to do so in order to not have a potential leak

[fierce nebula]

“Free”

[unique warren]

Fair enough I suppose

[kindred gull]

Are there any major updates planned to release "soon"?
Or should I just start a new playthrough?

[hasty tangle]

yes, theres a massive update coming in about a month

i would wait

[orchid finch]

tML gets an early version - They somehow have to keep it hidden
They also somehow have to test it - Mod devs get an early version
Some devs can leak things - A disaster breaks
tML team chooses only specific teams they trust - The whole economy is broken as now some devs say "tML has favoritism" or something

At least that what I imaginr would happen

[fierce hearth]

Brainstorm is currently in development and planned within a few months, and is everything SSO promised except the Sunken Sea part

[kindred gull]

Thanks!

[fierce hearth]

So as GP said, maybe a month or so, so that's your judgement call

[fathom girder]

It's slated to be done before march

[kindred gull]

🙃 I'll wait a month then

Cheers

[unique warren]

I find it so funny how cal approaches true melee as opposed to Fargo's Souls

[grim pecan]

soon

[unique warren]

Like, cal rarely ever makes true melee weapons bigger than vanilla ones

There's like uh... Holy Collider?

[fierce hearth]

I'm still wondering if we're gonna have to do a balance overhaul for the Calamity 1.4.5 compatibility update for HM ammunition and weapons

Since I don't believe there's any ranger headgear options post-ML

just universal ones

[unique warren]

What

Oh wait that

[fierce hearth]

1.4.5 made it so ranger weapon type headgear and the magic quiver now damage boost ammo as well as weapons

[unique warren]

Yea

[fierce hearth]

Wait right the magic quiver has upgrades in Calamity so I guess it would extend into post-ML for balancing

Vanilla only had to tweak a few weapons that were under or overperforming due to this change but I feel like it'll be a lot more frequent in Calamity

[grim pecan]

testers! it's time to rebalance an entire class again :)

[heavy glen]

i wonder how they'll rebalance summoner post ML

[fierce hearth]

Well considering they're adding whips, that's already on the docket

[grim pecan]

not worth the effort, we'll just remove summoner in its entirety /j

[fierce hearth]

They just need to account for summoner reforges

[fierce nebula]

Summoner is dumb anyways thank god

[fierce hearth]

Which I feel like is a complicated issue because summoner reforges have flat damage boosts which means they'll fall off hard in post-ML

Either that gets tweaked or we just wave it off and balance around ignoring that altogether

[orchid finch]

The humble 25 armor pen

[fierce hearth]

the humble +3 tag damage

[orchid finch]

You know I thank god that it's not an accessory reforge

[grim pecan]

1.4.5 doesn't really make rebalancing summoner any harder tbh, we knew there would be a big shift

[fierce hearth]

The summoner reforges are interesting but they do not scale well. It's really silly

[orchid finch]

At least armor pen isn't multiplicative

[mystic eagle]

Me when I'm in a balancing competition and my opponent is Re-logic:

[orchid finch]

(what would it even do)

[fierce nebula]

1.4.5 will probably get 20 different mini patches to balance things

[fierce hearth]

Are we gonna have to do another Calamity adds progression scaling to a reforge again

[hasty tangle]

ngl the 25 armor pen reforge isnt even that OP* because of the opportunity cost

keep in mind that weapon reforges are MULTIPLICITIVE

and by using the reforge that has the armor pen, you are intentionally choosing not to take that

[grim pecan]

not to mention that level of AP has dimishing returns unless you're a really fast attacking weapon

if pre-rework belladonna existed it would be scary

[fierce hearth]

Only useful against really high attack speed low damage summons, of which I don't think there's a single vanilla summon that attacks fast enough to justify that

[fierce hearth]

I doubt this is a good solution but honestly with the way the tag damage is coded I don't know if it's possible to multiplicatively increase that, and there's genuinely no way to multiplicatively increase armor pen

Unless we wan't some bullshit like "ignores 10% of armor"

[left torrent]

Hi!!! I'm so so SO sorry if this is a stupid or oft repeated question; Have the calamity devs said anything in regards to the character portraits that NPC's receive? I would absolutely love to see how artists intend Amidias to look up close, but I understand entirely that its a pretty pain-in-the-butt of an undertaking

[spark kiln]

❌

[hot pebble]

❌

[fierce hearth]

BAD

[terse dew]

Yeah

[fierce hearth]

What if this was his shimmer portrait

[tropic jolt]

it will never get better

[modern grove]

if they make it his portrait i'm out for blood

[primal badge]

✅

[modern grove]

kill

kill 7 billion calamity players and devs

[hollow harness]

[wide wadi]

Guys I heard there will be a calamity update next month

[primal badge]

the update will drop in 5

[left torrent]

The skill behind making this impressive, but it does not change the fact that I find it unsettling

[wide wadi]

Ozz man should add that as the horse man portrait

Wizard of oz

[main estuary]

Hawk Tuarria: Dig, fight, explore, build on that thang!

[grave rock]

Can someone send me the SSO creatures image

[wide wadi]

Do people actually play the secret seeds

[main estuary]

probably

[wide wadi]

Like I’m down to test the waters but like I don’t got time to play through every dumb secret seed

[dense sundial]

i'm starting to think making the reforges give more tag damage was actually a pretty good idea

focusing on tag damage bonuses brings solo summoner up to par with other solo classes, but doesn't do much to using summons as support

[main estuary]

has anybody actually figured out the skyblock seed

haven't found any new islands

[dense sundial]

i'm playing drunk world for both evils/ore families and an easier time with wof

there seem to be plenty of people doing skyblock

[grave rock]

Im doin drunk world 2

[unique warren]

I'm doing drunk + remix + planetoids

[hallow thunder]

I've been doing every single secret seed + zenith on legendary and it's kinda fun ngl

[obsidian geode]

did tmod add 1.4.5 yet : D

[cunning sequoia]

no

[fathom girder]

check le pins if you want some info on that

[wide wadi]

No brother going to be a while

[south zealot]

At least half of February

[south zealot]

What is your opinion on the cute wormie that is Astrum Deus?

[cunning sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370526525648015490/1428930213353361509/boppign.gif

[dull heart]

I will play dual dungeons for sure

Do I play dual dungeons or skyblock first

[south zealot]

Why not both

[lean relic]

💀

[fierce nebula]

I wonder

[south zealot]

How, I wonder why

[lean relic]

I mean it is possible but lol

[dull heart]

I don't have a world with both

We don't know the dualdungeons seed

[south zealot]

Make one

[dull heart]

I have a world someone sent me they modded to enable dualdungeons

[dull heart]

can't, we don't know the dualdungeons seed

[south zealot]

Find it

[fierce nebula]

Albert einstein

[dull heart]

have been trying for two days

[south zealot]

Try harder

[dull heart]

no

[lean relic]

Right, dualdungeon isnt discovered yet
well only on pc version

[dull heart]

soon it'll be gone form mobile and console too

[fierce nebula]

Is bro too smart??

[dull heart]

Wait

Can I just port a mobile to PC world

I think so

[dull heart]

Yes I can

Dual Dungeons skyblock it is

[south zealot]

See? Told ya

Enjoy now

[unique warren]

The demon altar item isn't craftable right?

[lean relic]

Is it possible to datamine the ported world to see dualdungeons secret seed

[lean relic]

yes

[south zealot]

It is

[unique warren]

In vanilla?

[south zealot]

In 1.4.5 yes

They added it

[unique warren]

Uhhhh what's the recipe then

[south zealot]

Idk

Haven't played it yet

[dull heart]

I've heard it can't be used for crafting though or something

Dunno if true

[unique warren]

Oh

[random crag]

rollerskates my beloved

[unique warren]

Y'all are talking about the replica ones bruh

🤦‍♀️

[terse dew]

This is all terraria discourse

[fathom girder]

skyblock seems to make good use of the new stuff that summoner got

like, a reason to actually make the slime weapons

normal seeds can skip slime tier entirely

[dull heart]

time to see what dualdungeons skyblock does

[tropic jolt]

the square hole has dominated the meta game for too long

[grim pecan]

where does the worm go?

[unique warren]

In the calamity mod

[versed heart]

Swap "block" with boulder and you have what goes on in Redigit's head whenever he's developing Terraria

[distant raft]

was the electric chair added or was it shot down for real

[tropic jolt]

into the square hole!

[grave geyser]

normal seeds more or less should skip slime tier entirely, the effort required to kill king slime is significantly less than getting a zoologist or mining 36 demonite/crimtane
which is honestly kinda lame

I think either

• making slime whip weaker but making it not take a solidifier
  or
• making slime whip more competitive with soulscourge/vasculash on normal seeds and making its current stats skyblock only
  would be ideal
  but oh well

[dull heart]

soulscourge and vaculash not needing shadow scales

is kinda wild to me

but starcrash i guess

[grave geyser]

starcrash is the "post evil" whip yeah

the progression seeming to be cobwhip -> slime/leather -> evil whip -> starcrash/snapthorn -> spinal

which is like
fineish I guess

except for the fact that snapthorn is signifigantly easier to get than starcrash and arguably better

[dull heart]

which should i make first

[grave geyser]

whip
the spear is garbage

[versed heart]

The spear inflicts Slimed, so idk if it's actually that bad

[dull heart]

the spear is probably not bad

[versed heart]

On its own it obviously is

[grave geyser]

needs a secondary source of fire

which like
idk what you'd use for that early on

[dull heart]

doesn't the whip also do slimed

[grave geyser]

whip also just
sets stuff on fire

alongside slimed

[versed heart]

Fire Arrows, wand of sparking

[dull heart]

also why did they cut slime gun slimed so much

[dull heart]

im on skyblock

[grave geyser]

yeah idk whats up with that
can cal revert that one

[dull heart]

like

whip also seems to do 3 seconds

[grave geyser]

something something range
but like

it already requires weapon swapping just let it be long lasting

[dull heart]

like at least 10

ok dualdungeons skyblock where should ibuild to first

straight side? go down?

[grave geyser]

12ish sounds reasonable and even then its probably too weak to be appealing to a casual player

[versed heart]

If the whip also applies Slimed, then the spear should probably just inflict Slimed for longer tbh

Giving you a good reason to use it

[grave geyser]

I'm almost willing to bet the only reason the spear is as shit as it is, is bc of fear of magma stone synergy

which like

[dull heart]

true

[grave geyser]

if someone wants to use a post ks weapon alongside hell loot

let them

[dull heart]

spear is at least better than Spear

[grave geyser]

mhm

[fathom girder]

Oh uh

[grave geyser]

but like
the spear should realistically be on par with like, at least trident

[fathom girder]

are the new slime weapons gonna be upgraded into slime god weapons or is that wayyyyyyy out of the picture rn

[main estuary]

actually
i wonder how that will fare

[grave geyser]

not spectacular

we are still talking about a weapon that is worse than trident

[unique warren]

Ngl I really wish the evil whips were after evil boss too

[grave geyser]

evil whips make sense where they are

[fathom girder]

the evil whips would make sense if jungle whip didn't exist

snapthorn existing is a funny conundrum

[lapis oak]

Vulgar Display of Flower

[fathom girder]

no the plantera one is swag

[dull heart]

make evil whips cost corrupt seeds

so post eye

[unique warren]

Snapthorn may just need a small nerf or smth idk

[grave geyser]

maybe

[flint geyser]

I mean all of the other evil bar weapons are pre evil boss lol

[fathom girder]

meteor whip is really good btw

[flint geyser]

So it makes sense with them

[fathom girder]

it's like the wof whip but prehm

[grave geyser]

I mean
vanilla consideres jungle to be a late phm area

[raw falcon]

not really

[flint geyser]

??

[raw falcon]

some are gated behind post evil

Meatball for example

[grave geyser]

the only one I can think of is like
the meatball

[flint geyser]

The other main class ones

[raw falcon]

so there's precedent for that

[versed heart]

With the exception of that Crimson flail that doesn't really have a corruption equivalent for crafting

[unique warren]

Vanilla really doesn't

[grave geyser]

it does

[dull heart]

meatball

is so weird

[versed heart]

It is

[dull heart]

why is it of all things post evil

[unique warren]

Blade of Grass is intended to be post-eye at best

[dull heart]

when Ball o Hurt is pre

[grave geyser]

I got that info from a litteral dev statement

[unique warren]

How old is this dev statement

[raw falcon]

because it probably conflates smashing shadow orbs with actually beating the boss

[dull heart]

i should have made slime spear

[flint geyser]

Isn't that the only one lmao

[dull heart]

better for crowds

[grave geyser]

uhhh
not like pre 1.4 old but it was a bit before labor of love

[grave rock]

Evil whips arent post evil?

[raw falcon]

Also the obsidian swordfish change is lowkey kinda peak

[raw falcon]

nay

[unique warren]

They are not

But uh yeah jungle is so so so not late pre-hm

Again, post-eye at the latest lmfao

[dull heart]

slime whip has like 50% damage falloff

this is crazy

[grave rock]

Damn so theyre preboss/post eye if u don't wanna mine

[flint geyser]

Only one evil bar weapon is post evil why would the whips need to be

[unique warren]

Mid pre-hm at the ABSOLUTE latest cause queen bee

[grave geyser]

I mean no not really

[versed heart]

So is the ||Phaseblade/Phasesaber/Keybrand|| change too, though this is probably more obvious

[raw falcon]

it seems to be largely single target dot oriented

so it kinda makes sense?

[raw falcon]

yeah its peam

[unique warren]

But if you say jungle gear is intended to be used after evil boss,

[raw falcon]

honestly i love most of the weapon changes

[dull heart]

yesh

[raw falcon]

its really not?

[dull heart]

It makes sense

[grave geyser]

theres a reason boomstick outclasses just about everything before like, molten fury

[dull heart]

It's just that spear would have been way better

[dull heart]

It really is

ReLogic has said that's its balancing tier

[raw falcon]

Oh, I wasn't aware of that actually

[unique warren]

So it stops being the best at mid-HM

[versed heart]

I haven't gotten to hardmode yet so idk what those weapon reworks are like yet

I'm sure they're good, though

[raw falcon]

they made golem fist actually kinda decent from what ive seen

[versed heart]

Posessed Hatchet & Piranha gun both get a free extra 100 dps too

[unique warren]

Pre-Hardmode tiers are so scuffed ngl

[grave geyser]

ok found the quote

[raw falcon]

I kinda love it tbh

[unique warren]

Really expecting you to not go to hell as soon as you get deathbringer

[lapis oak]

mfw when Moon gears are balanced at Golem tier

[dull heart]

Possessed Hatchet is so broken now

[grave geyser]

correct

[unique warren]

It's kinda super lame I won't hold you

[raw falcon]

it allows for some really flexible playstyles

[dull heart]

Possessed Hatchet gives 8-12 seconds of Hemmorage

[lapis oak]

insane stuff

Hemmorage

[dull heart]

The main issue with prehardmode is jungle is too easy for its tier

[grave geyser]

anyway its not like cal doesnt also have its fair share of odd tiering
abyss drops post skele :/

[versed heart]

800-1200 extra damage from a single attack, wow
granted only 8-12 seconds, but still

[raw falcon]

it might also just be that we're all terraria sweats who actually know what we're doing

[spark kiln]

just saw a post from someone who thought broken biome blade doing 250,000 dps was intended and it was just really really underrated

[unique warren]

kinda just sidetracking but alright lol

[lapis oak]

time to farm Paladin I need that Hammer

[raw falcon]

cuz that area is NOT easy for beginners to intermediate players

[grave rock]

Its rly not for a regular player :/

[grave geyser]

I mean
what is there left to say on the current topic

[unique warren]

We are actively still talking about it

[lyric trellis]

Welcome back item frame biome blade

[dull heart]

it is

[grave geyser]

then talk about it :/

[unique warren]

It's not super easy but it's way easier than it should be for the loot it has

[unique warren]

I am.

[dull heart]

i see avarage players going for blade of grass / snapthorn pre boss

[grave geyser]

ok

[dull heart]

if that's the case, it's too easy

[grave geyser]

clearly the ftw hornet change should become regular expert mode

[unique warren]

And consider that they said jungle drops are DUNGEON tier. That means you could go to it with evil boss gear and that would be super easy

[dull heart]

yeah

shadow/crimson/meteor stuff to get jungle

[grave geyser]

I mean not easy
ideally its intended to still be some level of challenge at that stage

[dull heart]

yeah

i think the big thing is jungle needs more threatening things that go through walls

man eaters are so non threatening

and everything else is beaten by a box and patience

[grave geyser]

right now it feels like all enemies are balanced around being at least fightable preboss when the drops clearly arnt

[versed heart]

I feel like part of the thing with the Jungle's gear, is that it's hard to compare the difficulty of exploring & mining through a biome to beating a boss.

[grave geyser]

this applies to hell as well but to a lesser extent

[dull heart]

jungle having Dune Splicer type stuff

for example

[unique warren]

It is WILD how literally everyone goes to hell asap after getting deathbringer and they don't balance hellstone gear around that

[grave geyser]

what does jungle even have for enemies phm
bat piranha hornet bee man eater

is that it

[dull heart]

yes

i think

slime

[grave rock]

Spiked jungle slimes

[dull heart]

spike slime

[grave geyser]

right

[versed heart]

Slimes, the thorned one

[grave rock]

Those things are fucking scary

[dull heart]

i almost just said "slime whip feels super weak"

then remembered i don't have any minions duh

[grave geyser]

man eater is ig technically supposed to be the wall based threat but it really doesnt feel like it with how limited they are

[dull heart]

i should make man eaters longer and faster in roots

[unique warren]

The humble Royal Gel no diffs

[grave geyser]

they dont need to be that much faster tbh

[grave rock]

Spiked jungl slimes behave so erratically

[versed heart]

I guess there's also the thorns but those aren't enemies, and idk if they even spawn underground
if they do, they're uncommon

[grave geyser]

range is definitely the most important thing

[grave rock]

Im 90% sure theyre unaffected by royal gel

[dull heart]

by faster i mean like, wait and then do a charge attack at you instead of passively always reaching

[unique warren]

Well you are 100% wrong

[dull heart]

and also pull back when out of their range so that you can't just sit there and camp them easy

[grave geyser]

I think if you do that they need a small health nerf

since they spend less time hitable

[dull heart]

yeah

they'd be balanced around it ofc

[unique warren]

Those are specifically the Spiked Slimes from King Slime fyi

[grave geyser]

welcome back to "70% of terrarias problems stem from enemy design being shit"

[unique warren]

Very true lol

[calm lily]

its a 2011 game made in c sharp dont be suprised

[dull heart]

i'd actually rather add a new jungle enemy than change man eater, but roots is focused on not adding new stuff but reworking existing

[dull heart]

you say this like c# is a problem

[unique warren]

Terraria kinda really needs a combat update

[lapis oak]

why the fuck Keybrand got the Phaseblade attack 😭

[calm lily]

i dont know the shortcut the hastag

[dull heart]

no i mean

like using c# is a problem

[calm lily]

oh nono

[dull heart]

golem close range

[calm lily]

its not im saying that the game was made from nothing pretty much

[unique warren]

Like it's so odd that a big thing people come to terraria for is combat when the combat is kinda not very good

[versed heart]

To make it more fun ig
also it's no longer true melee, what are all the post-plantera True melee weapons now?

[grave geyser]

this actually does remind me of something I was thinking about following the tiercord discussion regarding sulph sea tiering @dull heart
where like
outside of trashers none of the preboss sulph enemies feel remotely threatening
especially given the relatively low spawn rates

[dull heart]

yeah

[raw falcon]

its game accurate i believe

[unique warren]

Like, EoL is a good boss. Duke is a good boss. Everything else is... not.

Oh uh, Martian Saucer is actually dope as fuck

[dull heart]

does abigail need a full graveyard or jsut tombstones

[raw falcon]

moonlord is fine i think

[dull heart]

??

no

[versed heart]

Nah I hate Moon Lord

[dull heart]

vanilla moon lord is the worst boss in the game i'd say

[calm lily]

i think just one tombstone is enough

[grave geyser]

twins are fine

[unique warren]

It's that she can spawn 10 blocks away from any tombstone iirc

[calm lily]

huuh? why

i would honestly say golem

and destroyer

[versed heart]

Not as much as Queen Slime, but I don't like them. Hate might bee too strong of a word for how I feel

[dull heart]

have you ever fought moon lord without just running away from him as fast as you can

to dodge the true eye lasers

[lapis oak]

True Eye Lasers

[calm lily]

oh yea ig

[unique warren]

Yeah it's not a great boss at all

[grave geyser]

vanilla ml sucks on so many levels

and somehow I think there exists a modded version of the boss that is worse

[grand spire]

golem

?

[dull heart]

golem is much better

[unique warren]

Golem is just mid as fuck

[tropic jolt]

is there many modded versions of moon lord

[dull heart]

not a good boss

[grave geyser]

golem is substantially better

[unique warren]

Not bad just really mid

[dull heart]

but not actively bad

[grand spire]

do you mean worst as in the most boring to fight?

[dull heart]

i mean it's the worst designed bossfight

[grave geyser]

honestly I dont think any bosses besides ml and qs are even realistically in the running

[lyric trellis]

Convinced 0 people have ever died to Toxicatfish or Sulflounder

[calm lily]

i would say that the most boring boss is destroyer

[unique warren]

Some minibosses could give competition

[grave geyser]

I legitimately did not know sunflounder existed until I was looking at the sulph sea wiki page

[grand spire]

i think i agree, now that i look at it, moonlord was just about running sideways until it dies

[grim pecan]

there's like 5 sulph sea enemies i would put money on that like, less than 100 people have died to ever

[lyric trellis]

I probably didn’t either

[unique warren]

But I think the best bosses/minbosses are def Duke Fishron, Empress of Light, and Martian Saucer. All three are kinda goated.

[tropic jolt]

draedon got the idea for his exo mechs by watching moon lord gameplay

[lyric trellis]

We’re all dying to Anthozoan Crab

[unique warren]

That being said, the rest of Martian Madness sucks ASS

[versed heart]

Dreadnautilus is kinda cool but not as good as Duke or EoL. Also not an actual Boss or Miniboss.

[calm lily]

i like dearclops sadly his loot is poo poo

[unique warren]

Normal mode deerclops is peak

Expert mode deerclops is dogshit

[grim pecan]

love that equipping royal gel invalidates most of ar T3 because none of the other enemies besides the minibosses are remotely threatening

[grave geyser]

so all of them except trasher and aquatic urchin?

[calm lily]

they changed the hand spawning its much better now

[unique warren]

I might need to peep that

[lyric trellis]

Tier 3 is so ass 😭

[dull heart]

waoh

slime spear has a LOT of knockback

[grim pecan]

woe, gamma slime be upon ye

[unique warren]

That being said, she should have a limit for respawns and have her drops balanced for post-skeletron

[grave geyser]

remembering rust and dust t3
one of the events of all time
and then old duke was like the peak of the entire playthrough for no reason

[calm lily]

def

[lyric trellis]

Spams 2 enemies, 1 can be completely invalidated by the gel, and also another miniboss that doesn’t spawn so it’s just Terror spam

[versed heart]

Wasn't that change specifically for multiplayer?
Either way being able to dash underneath Deerclops seems to help a lot, I enjoyed my last 2 Expert mode fights

[lapis oak]

Paladins really do not wanna give me the Hammer

[calm lily]

no i dont think so. its just that the fands dont spawn around the legs

[lyric trellis]

It was honestly funny as hell because I had no idea what was happening and Stratus Sphere was spamming everywhere so I couldn’t see anything

[calm lily]

so now you can actually dodge how you are supposed to

[unique warren]

Seriously tho, why is Martian Saucer actually better than 90% of vanilla terraria bosses

[lapis oak]

Sphere...

[calm lily]

um no? he does barely do anything

[versed heart]

The changelogs don't say anything about that, if it does exist
All it says about the hands is "Fixed Shadow Hands appearing on top of non-targeted players in multiplayer."

[unique warren]

Um yes??

[dull heart]

martian saucer is kinda meh ngl

[versed heart]

Unless that was a 1.4.5.1 change? I doubt it

[unique warren]

Martian Saucer is goated

[grave geyser]

it was kinda the mix of everything to me

• nobody knew how to do prenerf od
• I just got gamma heart (bring it back...)
• od was one of like 4 bosses that was actually like fun
• the general chaos of it all

[calm lily]

its just horizontal lasers seeking slow rockets and a main laser the is only below him and can be cheesed

[grave rock]

I like man eaters! Theyre pretty Unique all things considered and I feel like theres something u can do around them controlling the area around the block theyre anchored to. Theyre just too slow/non threatening and weirdly overstated for their place in the game

[unique warren]

How can it be cheesed exactly

[calm lily]

left right

thats it

[unique warren]

That’s

[calm lily]

the whole time

[unique warren]

That’s not cheese

[calm lily]

ig but still

[unique warren]

That’s just uh

That’s just how the attack works

[calm lily]

weird i swear when i was fighting him the hands were not stupid anymore

[grave rock]

Saucer would be better if the other martian enemies had any way of reaching u high up in the air

[naive sluice]

Cheese
Look Inside
Just dodging the attack

[lapis oak]

the cheese would be 1.3 sitting inside shoebox

[unique warren]

Oh yeah the rest of the event is dogshit

But saucer is good

[dull heart]

skyblock earlygame is rough with only slime spear and slime whip oof

[calm lily]

the skyblock seed is just slimes ong

[versed heart]

probably something to do with the SoC and maybe luck

[lyric trellis]

Old Duke killing everyone in 2-3 hits and immediately being in P2

[grave geyser]

what do the other enemies even do I barely remember
one has like the shield
theres like the tesla coil guy
uhhh

[grave geyser]

its peak I fear
might go back and refight that version lowkey

[unkempt grove]

how have you all been enjoying the new 1.4.5 update

[unique warren]

Kamikaze bomber

[lapis oak]

fighter AI

[naive sluice]

Doze can u make a slime god equivalent for slime whip, ok thanks, bye

[unkempt grove]

have you tried some of the crazy seed combinations yet

[calm lily]

THEY FIXED CRYSTAL DUPING

WHAAAAAAAAA

WHYYYY

[grim pecan]

i feel like maneaters would be improved tenfold in vanilla if they let off at least a tiny bit of dust while in blocks like in cal. i like the enemy but they can easily be bs

[lapis oak]

just play Journey bruh

[mystic eagle]

It's still possible but requires more effort now

[naive sluice]

they fixed a lot of jank and removed bacon

[unkempt grove]

hey that just means there are new glitches to discover

[grave geyser]

also wasnt it like the only late game boss that the music worked for

[naive sluice]

ill miss bacon in the Pinnattas

[calm lily]

no

[unkempt grove]

the bacon thing might be coming back though, we'll just have to wait and see

[lyric trellis]

Somehow yes

[versed heart]

I've been enjoying it. Look at this tree that randomly grew from an acorn
Spawned in a normal world and I didn't use Fertilizer (or Infused Fertilizer) to make it

[grave geyser]

I mean it makes sense
it was one of the newest tracks and it probably didnt get changed at all for 1.5

[unkempt grove]

lol, is that from the error world?

[calm lily]

1.5?!

[grave rock]

I like the martian enemies in concept

[versed heart]

Nope. just a normal world

[sinful dagger]

My dong

[calm lily]

ITS REAL

[unkempt grove]

1.4.5

[stone fiber]

Hey guys, so I've just checked The Doc™ and apparently tier 5 summon is going to be an urchin? What?

[naive sluice]

how can i enjoy this, theres no 30 QoL Mods

[calm lily]

ik man

[unkempt grove]

buddy

[grim pecan]

pop quiz, what's the testing setup for post-plant ranger

[grave geyser]

the draedon update

[calm lily]

🔥

[grave geyser]

in current, in 2.1, or in 1.4.5

[grim pecan]

current, do not ask why i'm asking this

[unkempt grove]

don't make those kinds of jokes please

[calm lily]

might i ask

[unkempt grove]

lol

[grim pecan]

i definitely am not just being too lazy to check the docs myself

[naive sluice]

Modded Terraria ruined my taste for Vanilla, shits crazy

[naive sluice]

i tried ore excavating on vanilla bro

[unkempt grove]

i'm excited to see what happens with the 1.4.5 modding scene when tml 1.4.5 is released

[calm lily]

if only i could send gifs now

[sinful dagger]

Why does it give you secondhand embarrassment

[unkempt grove]

i assume most content mods will port over to the new version at some point

[dull heart]

waIT WAHT