calamity-update-talk

[fallow narwhal]

ohhhh hol up is the DoG dimension thing gonna be in this update?

[vivid hemlock]

no

[polar tide]

ok brainstorm is not THAT big lol

[fallow narwhal]

mb mb haha

[vivid hemlock]

thats just the new background for the dog fight lmao

[fallow narwhal]

ahh i see

[stark quail]

im excited for new DoG

[fallow narwhal]

sunken sea overhaul

[fallow narwhal]

oh their doing that concept sprite of him in the new update?

that looks clean asf

[stark quail]

is the old duke rogue weapon still gonna be broken against him or

[stark quail]

no

not yet

just new AI

[fallow narwhal]

gotcha

[stark quail]

fights being entirely reworked

[fallow narwhal]

oh you gotta be fisting me

in a good or more harder way

[pseudo vector]

what

[stark quail]

i assume GOOD

[ivory lark]

yeah there's a one in a googol chance for a distortion portal to spawn from DoG's head after you defeat him and then you'll be able to fight and die to noxus

[polar tide]

LOL????

gonna start saying this now

[stark quail]

hi cdmusic

[vivid hemlock]

the dog sprite got scrapped because it wouldve been really hard to work with and also none of the artists wanted to finish it after the one who did make it retired

[pseudo vector]

but uhhhh yeah the DoG rework in brainstorm is not the final dog rework, its mainly just to make the fight good / better for the time being

[fallow narwhal]

im gonna wholeheartly believe this

[stark quail]

ooh neat

[polar tide]

brainstorm dog is absolutely lovely

[pseudo vector]

there’s no new sprite but the visuals of the fight have been touched up quite a bit

[fallow narwhal]

oooooo

hype

[polar tide]

if you somehow like current dog brainstorm dog will make you go "wait what the fuck why have i been eating roadkill scraps off the ground this entire time"

[stark quail]

current DoG is Okay

idk

[fallow narwhal]

"darnkess will be more prominent in the abyss"

so just say you hate me what

[stark quail]

it was prolly the hardest boss i fought tho

[pseudo vector]

he now has a custom background, the laser walls are now hitscan lasers instead of projectiles, and some other stuff that i don’t think has been mentioned yet

[stark quail]

that thing took me wayyy too long

yharon was also impossible actually

and exo mechs

[fallow narwhal]

is the yharon resprite gonna be in new update

[pseudo vector]

no

[fallow narwhal]

it okay

[polar tide]

dont say /xo m/chs with cd here be considerate

[stark quail]

lol

exo mechs fight is kinda weird and scary and horrifying

[pseudo vector]

that won’t be for a bit yet, when yharon’s sprite gets finished the fight will be reworked

[fallow narwhal]

overwhelming asl

[silk zenith]

not in infernum tho

[pseudo vector]

the current fight would not work at all with the new yharon sprite

[stark quail]

calamitas is like

idk how but i beat her for the first time in rev mode in like 3 attempts

[fallow narwhal]

ive gotten to providence in infernum

thhats it

[stark quail]

supernova goes crazy

[silk zenith]

dang

[fallow narwhal]

we keeping roar of the jungle dragon tho right 🙏

[silk zenith]

you gotta try to beat infernum

[stark quail]

im too scared to ever touch infernum

[fallow narwhal]

man i do try real hard

[pseudo vector]

yes, if we removed that song we would get skinned

[polar tide]

if exos fight seems impossible to u make a world arena and then run to the left. use Oh my god dude do you have any idea what would happen if they got rid of roar of the jungle dragon

[silk zenith]

so true

[fallow narwhal]

hahaha it is peak after all

[pseudo vector]

like we would be hung, drawn and quartered

[stark quail]

i hate the fact that you have to skin your entire world just to fight exo mechs

its annoying

[misty wren]

you dont thats just the easiest way

[stark quail]

thats ANNOYING!!!

[pseudo vector]

exo mechs is complete ass in their current state and we’re very aware of that being the case (we also hate the way they are rn)

[polar tide]

this is an underestimation i genuinely think the 7th trumpet signaling the start of armageddon would be heard around the world

[silk zenith]

super fun tho

[stark quail]

itll be fun until infernum DoG comes out of my pc screen and kills me in real life

[fallow narwhal]

i like the fight 😁

[spiral tree]

Hiiiiiiiii

[silk zenith]

it ONLY took me like 90 attempts

[ivory lark]

if rotjd was removed, calamity would lose the mandate of heaven

[fallow narwhal]

i feel like its just like playing calamity for the first time but not kinda kwim

[spiral tree]

i need this

[hardy gulch]

it could be much worse...
but in their current state i dont believe they are the worst

[silk zenith]

dog is easily worse imo

[fallow narwhal]

the bosses just have completely diff attacks so u gotta get used to it and then yeah its like a learning curve

[dense sundial]

i don't kwym

[hardy gulch]

true...

[stark quail]

i dont remember what my least favorite calamity boss was

[polar tide]

anyways for exos make a world arena and run down and to the left and use shellphone if you get cornered. use radiance too. cheese the fight as much as you want there is no reason to respect it currently (saying this as someone whos favorite boss is the fucking exos, regrettably)

[silk zenith]

for me its defo DoG

[stark quail]

oh no

it was plaguebringer

[fallow narwhal]

i agree im a day one old duke hater

[silk zenith]

because the fights just so boring

[pseudo vector]

if you hate current dog i think you guys will love brainstorm dog

[stark quail]

oh my god i fucking hated plaguebringer

the first and only boss i didn't beat in intended progression

[ivory lark]

part of the issue is that there isn't actually a pattern and they don't synchronize with eachother really. they're kind of just designed to overwhelm you rather than being a full experience, which would be an ideal thing to focus on in a future rework personally

[spiral tree]

scary

[hardy gulch]

we should definitely do vanilla 1.4.5 for the entire month of february

[dense sundial]

calamity doesn't really have a learning curve because fabsol bosses are really simple, often just straight up vanilla ai

[stark quail]

i legit waited until post ml to beat plaguebringer

[hardy gulch]

i bet i will find it very fun

[silk zenith]

🙏

[grim pecan]

what do you mean dragonfolly definitely isn't just mothron

[fallow narwhal]

yeah i dont know what im talking about you sound right

[deft lily]

burp

[polar tide]

guy whos autistic about touhou voice what do you think about touhou inspiration for future bullet pattern reworks

[pseudo vector]

the auric beta testers have given new dog their reviews and they like it quite a bit

[fallow narwhal]

best mothron reskin oat

[deft lily]

new dog sucks

/j

[dense sundial]

IT HAS THE MINION SPAWNING DISTANCE LIMIT AND THE PISS FILTER WHEN IT CHARGES BRO

[pseudo vector]

thank you umbara

[dense sundial]

you cannot get more mothron than that

[stark quail]

dragonfolly is the most whatever boss to ever exist

[misty wren]

nope not mothron

[deft lily]

yw :D

[misty wren]

clearly

[ivory lark]

i liek danmaku patterns but i don't think the exo mechs are a good danmaku fight necessarily

[pseudo vector]

i think exos are probably just gonna be reworked from the ground up mechanically with completely new attacks n shit

i want exos' attacks to feel BIG

[polar tide]

yeah i wouldnt touhou-ify exos

[silk zenith]

deserved ngl

[deft lily]

cd is John exo

[pseudo vector]

no little shitlet bullets

[stark quail]

i do really like calamitas in her current state

[fallow narwhal]

that would be sick

[grim pecan]

definitely, current version just can't exist

[stark quail]

she's decently fun

[dense sundial]

would it be weird of me to bring up eternity exos

[pseudo vector]

i want exos to feel overwhelming but not in the way they're currently overwhelming

[polar tide]

exos rework is my personal most anticipated update aside from yharim

[pseudo vector]

currently they're overwhelmingly shit

[silk zenith]

no its a really good fight

[dense sundial]

like you can't think of "exos if they were good" without going straight to them

[silk zenith]

eternity old duke is really good too

[deft lily]

true

[misty wren]

scal is one of the better bosses in the mod by pure virtue of she hasnt been changed like at all essentially ever

[stark quail]

the only reason id ever want to do eternity is straight up for the crafting trees

[grim pecan]

thank you for reminding me i need to tell doze something

[stark quail]

im neurodivergent like that

[pseudo vector]

but i want them, in the future to feel overwhelmingly powerful and their attacks to come across like that

[dense sundial]

almost pure. there's also a stroke of luck to it

[pseudo vector]

cuz they're literally the most powerful machines in the world so they need to illustrate that properly

[fallow narwhal]

the comet quashers resprite is so clean

[pseudo vector]

rn they just don't lmao

[dense sundial]

and a stroke of The fact she has been changed by Anyone Other Than Fabsol

[polar tide]

cd do you remember when i was telling you about my thoughts on avatar of emptiness. i think that "i only survived by the skin of my teeth" feeling would be good to try and replicate for exos maybe

[silk zenith]

current exos are like babies compared to calamitas imo

[fallow narwhal]

alright the galactus blade just looks od

[ivory lark]

i kind of think that exo mechs as a design and bossfight are kind of fundamentally weak and sort of get mogged execution-wise by mechdusa and i hope we can rip out a lot of the rushedness about their design in da rework (in my opinion)

[dense sundial]

maaan i thematically love avatar sm

[pseudo vector]

okay this legit describes my thoughts perfectly

[misty wren]

outside of visual updates her fight design hasnt really changed outside of brothers phase and sepulcher

[dense sundial]

i have my complaints (they're what wotg2 is for) but i still think he stuck the landing

[unborn sparrow]

Is calamity update to the new update now

[grim pecan]

pins

[misty wren]

check pins

[pseudo vector]

read pins

[stark quail]

i love pins!

[pseudo vector]

i want players to feel like they didn't defeat the exos, they survived the exos

[dense sundial]

can sepulcher die 🥺

[pseudo vector]

like you just happened to kill them before they killed you

[grim pecan]

no sepulcher is a cool sprite. can hearts die

[stark quail]

oooh

that's a very interesting way to look at it

[flat folio]

If Exo Mech designs remain a consistent, unchanged thing I want to see really is just not having them be screen post-it-notes that shoot lasers and green fire on a cycle

[polar tide]

rebecca was talking about this in the patreon some time ago that the exos fight should convey the feeling that this is a fight you mathematically should have lost yet you managed to persist anyway and im obsessed with that idea i love it

[dense sundial]

"cool sprite" IS HOW WE GOT THREE MORE WORM BOSSES.

be careful with that.

[fallow narwhal]

yeah just make my life harder its fine whatever

[grim pecan]

closer to 5 since a few minibosses too

[dense sundial]

wait which ones

[pseudo vector]

the designs won't change since they're still some of the best looking sprites in the mod
but they definitely won't be pngs on the screen that shoot stuff at you

[misty wren]

the biggest overarching changes to scals fight were... when she lost the hit limit in 1.4 and when her arena was added back in 1.2.3

[grim pecan]

armored digger was a DoG resprite, or was is deus. it was one of them

[stark quail]

scal having an arena is awesome i cant lie

[twin juniper]

Thanatos eyes looking a little broken

[dense sundial]

deus is a dog resprite so it's kinda the same thing either way

[polar tide]

i would kill someone if exo mech sprites got scrapped or redesigned or anything theres no reason for that idc what anyone says

[flat folio]

Also I have to point out that Ares' pose during blender is unfathomably funny
Looks like he's being crucified or smth with how far away the arms stretch during it

[polar tide]

dont touch my stupid rgb gamer robots

[pseudo vector]

LOL

[dense sundial]

i'm serious, by the way. fabsol added astrum deus because he didn't want to remove a dog sprite

[pseudo vector]

can i just say i love that one attack in wotm where ares becomes a beyblade btw lmao

beyblade ares my goat

[polar tide]

its meant to reflect how the player feels during that dogshit fight

[dense sundial]

and storm weaver was a dog sprite. and AS was a DS sprite

[honest vine]

lmao hes so chopped

[silk zenith]

who the fuck is that

[pseudo vector]

but yeah a good way to illustrate how i want the new exos fight to feel is basically what carnymassacre described

[honest vine]

supreme calamitas

[silk zenith]

ohhhhh

thanks

[honest vine]

np

[pseudo vector]

its the arms dealer

[polar tide]

no its supreme calamitas

[honest vine]

supreme dealer

[stoic rivet]

Guys has calamity updated to 1.4.5?

[silk zenith]

no they look nothing alike bro

[silk zenith]

pins

[pseudo vector]

read pins

[flat folio]

Are those ammo casings for earrings

[polar tide]

ok thats cute as fuck

[pseudo vector]

we're gonna be saying that a lot over the coming weeks aren't we

[dense sundial]

i didn't see it that way but that's peak if true

[dense sundial]

you're gonna be saying that to the end of time because people don't read

[silk zenith]

daily routine now

[grim pecan]

if exos got a full redesign, the old sprites would still exist in eternity/wotm/infernum

i have wondered whether it would be worth it to redesign exos from the ground up simply due to how many intepreatations of them of we've seen on the current version. but that's a question for when we actually get to it

[honest vine]

why isnt he selling my desert pillar

hes very happy

bro

[flat folio]

Innocent whistling

[twin juniper]

Ngl I thought the whole philosophy behind them sticking on your screen was that you can’t escape them and it was supposed to scare you
Kinda sucked after the first pt

[grim pecan]

can't imagine who would do such a thing

[honest vine]

why redesign exo mechs

just add hypnos

[pseudo vector]

all i want to do is give ares a fucking gundam mask during later phases cuz that would look fire as fuck

[flat folio]

Ares visor activated

[dense sundial]

You should make Ares an Armored Core.

[polar tide]

i am so zealously anti exo mechs redesign the thought is so upsetting to me that i stared at the screen like this at the thought of "just play infernum if you want to see the old designs"

[dense sundial]

Just sayin.

[polar tide]

this would be cool though.

[honest vine]

imo some bosses deserve more of a redesign than exo mechs

cough cough

[dull heart]

you say this like it's a problem

[honest vine]

crabulon

[polar tide]

SEVERAL bosses need a redesign far FAR more than exos

[pseudo vector]

i was talking to tofu the other morning about the worm boss designs

[grim pecan]

yeah ok mr. invoked stargod

[honest vine]

couGH

RAVAGER

[polar tide]

the sprites are like the literal one thing about the exos that dont need a massive facelift

[honest vine]

COUUGH AqUATIC SCOURGE

[misty wren]

exos sprite design is good

[honest vine]

ye

[misty wren]

like

[dense sundial]

graphical fidelity-wise i agree but their actual design i cannot stand

[dull heart]

L

[silk zenith]

isnt ravager getting a rework

[pseudo vector]

ladies and gentlemen
(current) calamity worm boss design

[honest vine]

idk

[dense sundial]

some things about their sprites don't really make spatial sense anyway

[unique warren]

He's cool

[polar tide]

"omgggg theyre just vanilla mechs but again!!!" I DONT FUCKING CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE THEYRE BADASSSSSSSSSSS

[honest vine]

perforators

[pseudo vector]

i couldn't be arsed to grab their sprites from the wiki

[misty wren]

"just vanilla mechs but again" i dont care thats what they're meant to be thats the concept yhe concept is vanilla mechs 2

[dull heart]

you can still tell storm weaver is storm related from the silloutte so storm weaver design is good

[honest vine]

well hes not selling me a desert pylon

[pseudo vector]

i just grabbed the other ones

[dense sundial]

storm weaver design could do that immeasurably better than "destroyer but with stereotypical lightning shapes"

[honest vine]

honestly i wouldnt mind a redesign

redesigns are improvements anyways

[unique warren]

You need to have two other NPCs nearby, that's the only requirement now, happiness isn't a factor :3

[pseudo vector]

they have a lot the same traits between them currently
mainly with the big spikes on the sides and the big mandibles

[honest vine]

oh

nurse didnt move in het

[twin juniper]

Just realized Thanatos is thinner than DoG without the blades things

[honest vine]

yet

[misty wren]

fight design can go fucking crazy because vanilla mechs are really simple

[pseudo vector]

i didn't scale the sprites properly

i just wanted to show the silhouettes of their designs

[grim pecan]

but yes, other bosses do need a redesign more than exos. that also doesn't mean exos isn't also badly in need of a redesign. both things can be true at once, and there's no issue talking about the things that need to be addressed

[polar tide]

"i was talking to colonel sanders the other morning about fried chicken"

[dense sundial]

that being the intent of their design is literally the reason i hate them so much

draedon could surely have a cooler idea

[pseudo vector]

and how similar they are to each other rn
that is something we'll definitely address as time goes on tho

[unique warren]

I wouldn't say they're badly in need of one myself, but it certainly wouldn't hurt

[silk zenith]

ravager deserves a redesign the most imo

its just so ugly

[honest vine]

yes

not even just ugly

[pseudo vector]

ravager has a redesign planned that i think is already public

[dense sundial]

at least i can look at ravager and tell what it is

[silk zenith]

horrendous

[honest vine]

what does it do

jump

[silk zenith]

an abominationn

[honest vine]

its supposed to be the god of death

[dense sundial]

something like calclone or AD is in much more need of it i think

[honest vine]

and its pre moonlord

[flat folio]

I would not object to an Exos redesign, doe I also wouldn't object if they didn't receive one
But I do think in terms of rational apportionment of dev resources there's more pertinent things to resprite. I have design issues with Exos but when there's Astrum Deus Fuckface Metal Worm McGee IV lounging around I have to agree that it'd be wise to focus on the latter instead as an example

[honest vine]

same tier as empress of light btw

[dense sundial]

the current state of its sprite fits when it was supposed to be a golem

[honest vine]

glad its getting moved post provi

oh talking about sprites

[unique warren]

I think other than like... literally already perfect designs (scal), Exos are lowest priority, imo

[honest vine]

clone calamitas?

[pseudo vector]

if tofu has anything to say about it deus, he'll make it into whatever his ideal look for deus would be

[silk zenith]

ravager is genuinely easier than king slime

[honest vine]

her sprite is still not up to date

[twin juniper]

It’s even right after golem

[fierce nebula]

Golem 2

[cunning sequoia]

tbh if anything were to happen to exos it would be a complete redesign

[honest vine]

i want a better clone calamitas

[silk zenith]

i could prob do ravager with my eyes closed

[honest vine]

sprite*

[cunning sequoia]

so they're not mechs 2

[grim pecan]

it's interesting that most of these coversations revolve around exos anyway. i think people zero on the exos because it's so much easier to see what it should be compared to something like deus and is one of the final bosses.

[cunning sequoia]

their sprites look great

[dense sundial]

with all due respect i hope the ideal isn't how they've been drawing AD

[silk zenith]

arent they literally based on the mechs tho

[honest vine]

imo

[unique warren]

IMO, they should be reminiscent, and clearly inspired by them, but very different

[cunning sequoia]

yeah thats the point

[fierce nebula]

🪱

[dense sundial]

like taking current AD's head and putting it on a gummy worm

[cunning sequoia]

they could be more unique

[honest vine]

they are farr more different than mechs

like

[cunning sequoia]

but keeping them as mechs 2 isnt that bad

[honest vine]

implementing any changes

they would still be mechs 2

[cunning sequoia]

i mean the basic idea is still there

[dense sundial]

ik their art with that design is just casual fun though

[silk zenith]

the current sprite is tuff as hell

[honest vine]

besides arent they meant to be mechs 2

[cunning sequoia]

1 worm, 2 eyes, one skeleton

[unique warren]

Aside from scal, is there a SINGLE boss that isn't being considered for a redesign

[honest vine]

lore wise

[cunning sequoia]

thats my point here

[silk zenith]

omg its mechs 2

[cunning sequoia]

it would be a COMPLETE redesign

[honest vine]

yea

[pseudo vector]

i can assure you that wouldn't be the case lol

[unique warren]

Genuinely cannot think of one

[cunning sequoia]

theres no real reason to do anything to them other than that imo

minus the obvious boss fight rework

[pseudo vector]

his actual design work is super super goated

[dense sundial]

they are meant to be mechs again because fabsol wanted to add oblivion from exxo avalon. the lore was written in retroactively.

[honest vine]

wheres clone cal resprite

[flat folio]

With Exos I think the reworks it has makes it easier to discern too
Since it isn't even necessarily in the abstract, it's just smth that's widely regarded as more polished overall than the current rendition in tangible reality via smth you can play yourself

[pseudo vector]

he just draws a lot of cutesy looking stuff

[honest vine]

oh yea now that hes gone this is no longer gonna be implemented

[primal badge]

hhhhhhh provi maybe?

[honest vine]

thats sad actually

wish exxo avalon was still getting implemented

[unique warren]

I assume she would eventually get a resprite but yeah maybe not a redesign

[fierce nebula]

Isn’t providence getting a resprite

[grim pecan]

mhm, that's what i was sort of getting at

[dense sundial]

it WAS implemented in master-rev skeletron prime

[primal badge]

I doubt her design would change much

[silk zenith]

isnt it only like fight changes only

[honest vine]

yes, was

but like

iirc there was a slime god variant getting worked on

[primal badge]

Even if a resprite happens it probably wouldn't be a huge idea change

just like

[silk zenith]

sun

[unique warren]

Providence is a good example of a great design that just kinda has an outdated (but not bad looking) sprite

[dense sundial]

i don't see what's sad about "mechs if they were worse" not taking up design space in the mod

[pseudo vector]

the updates to provi in brainstorm have nothing to do with her sprite

[honest vine]

exxo avalon related

[primal badge]

"up to modern day standards" change

[pseudo vector]

her attack visuals are getting updated tho

[honest vine]

hu?

huh??

[silk zenith]

fire

[honest vine]

what??

sorry?

[unique warren]

Do you think she will ever get a redesign? I don't feel like she needs anything more than a resprite

[flat folio]

Providence is honestly quite gud from a rendering standpoint given how old it is now
It's just that the overarching character design is a bit lackluster, at least imo

[grim pecan]

i need to delete her ground globs then she'll be good

fuck those things

[honest vine]

providence is getting a resprite???

[vivid hemlock]

yeah this

[silk zenith]

not anytime soon

i think

[honest vine]

its planned tho??

her sprite is insanely good already

i wonder how her sprite would get further improved

[silk zenith]

the devs can answer this

[unique warren]

I wouldn't say that

[honest vine]

i really like her sprite

[grim pecan]

it's kind of up in the air. people have expressed an interest in respriting her, but nothing concrete has come of that

[unique warren]

It's good but cal has provided much better

[honest vine]

ahh

[fierce nebula]

I wasn’t talking about brainstorm

[unique warren]

It should def be low priority

[pseudo vector]

considering when provi's sprite was made its very very good

[honest vine]

if prov is getting a resprite it shouldnt be a priority

like

[pseudo vector]

and has aged well enough

[honest vine]

faaar from being a priority

[pseudo vector]

so its not on our minds rn

[primal badge]

I can imagine respriting Provi would take like a long time

[silk zenith]

cd whats ur hardest in gd

[unique warren]

Especially for such a large sprite, which old spriters seemed to struggle with (Yharon, for example)

[silk zenith]

im curious now

[primal badge]

it's a BIG boss

[pseudo vector]

sigma interface

[honest vine]

also leviathan

[grim pecan]

we can talk about stuff without it being a priority yk

[pseudo vector]

PLEASE I BEG

I HATE THEM

[flat folio]

Signus resprite in 5

[grim pecan]

🤝

[pseudo vector]

the ground globs make me very angry

[unique warren]

Levi current sprite is quite a bit newer than prov right?

[pseudo vector]

literally the only thing i dislike about providence

[honest vine]

it is newer

although i think its one of the biggest sprites

its probably the last resprite its getting

[flat folio]

It's kind of miraculous that Leviathan received a resprite back in the day imo

[polar tide]

providence is my favorite fight in calamity and it would genuinely be a perfect experience IF NOT FOR THE STUPID FUCKING GLOBULES

[pseudo vector]

nitro sprite with iban animation

[primal badge]

globs are pretty hard to notice sometimes and are really distracting from the main fight itself

[pseudo vector]

crazy time that was

[silk zenith]

oh nice

[primal badge]

Wouldn't mind them being eviscerobiliterated

[honest vine]

isnt there a direct counter to globs

like

for providence just go on a straight line

[polar tide]

the globs grind the pace of the fight to a screeching halt incredibly awkwardly and for no good reason

[honest vine]

then when she catches up go back flying

[unique warren]

Crazy that this sprite is 8 years old and this fuckin good

[honest vine]

i agree

[unique warren]

Are Levi and Anahita ever gonna get a resprite/redesign? I feel like other than scal, they need it the least

[primal badge]

It's a really good quality sprite

[grim pecan]

provi no longer has a border that burns you if you get too far, instead every bit of the world outside of the intended fight is now covered in globs. this updates dynamically and will not cause any lag at all

[honest vine]

no no

[pseudo vector]

i'm glad we agree on this

[honest vine]

i brought it up randomly cuz its a large sprite

[pseudo vector]

i hate the globs so much bruh

[unique warren]

Nah ik, I was just curious

[honest vine]

i never cared for the globs

[pseudo vector]

most of the time of me getting hit is trying to avoid the globs while also dodging fireballs

[honest vine]

they used to be annoying when i didnt know providence's fight pattern

[cunning sequoia]

oh my god the fucking globs

[polar tide]

i genuinely love provis fight the globs are the only thing that sours it for me and they stick out like a sore thumb

[unique warren]

Would anyone know anything about this?

[polar tide]

even if you know to/how to avoid them they make the fight feel so much more awkward than it would without them

[honest vine]

ok thats true the fight can feel awkward with them

[pseudo vector]

not a priority if we were to do them

[polar tide]

they feel like they're there just to make the no hitters lives a tiny bit worse which is cheap and irritating

[honest vine]

i feel like providence should get an animation when casting fireballs

she casts them so suddenly

its ugly

[unique warren]

Ok good, I think they're probably some of the best boss sprites in the mod

[primal badge]

I love long lasting area denial that's kinda just on the ground !! !!! !!!!

And is very "easy" to notice !!

[pseudo vector]

area denial is one of my least favourite things in games

[grim pecan]

the fight does need a rework, especially leviathan's phase. but a resprite is more up in the air

levi just does not do anything rn

[unique warren]

True

[polar tide]

when it comes to boss design i think a distinction should be made between "this attack is dodgeable" and "this attack is fun and adds to the fight"

[pseudo vector]

i want to at least make the fight look more presentable at some point

[honest vine]

for a big fireball being cast its kinda weird for it to just come out of her crystal

[unique warren]

One's the bare minimum, the other actually makes it good

[pseudo vector]

cuz lets be real outside of the sprite the presentation of levi + anahita is not good

[polar tide]

the stupid little shitlet globules are far from the most irritating or hardest attack to deal with but they chafe so badly against the design of the entire rest of the fight

[primal badge]

I like area denial when I'm the one denying an area :3

[pseudo vector]

i love black backgrounds that remove any semblance of depth

[unique warren]

True, but damn if they don't have great sprites

[honest vine]

i only area denial on devourer of gods and wall of flesh

[grim pecan]

the treble clefs coming in with a single vanilla magical harp sound is so fucking funny. at least they got a new sound in brainstorm

[honest vine]

exo mechs arena are so fucking annoying to setup tho

[pseudo vector]

i know jasper was messing around with some background stuff for levi but that wasn't something for brainstorm

it was purely for fun

[honest vine]

green needle

[polar tide]

my thoughts on leviana is that whoever in brainstorm made it so that anahita has a little visual indicator for her attacks instead of them just spawning on top of you deserves to be canonized as a holy saint

thank you. thank you. thank you.

[unique warren]

You know ball

[honest vine]

yes

[pseudo vector]

but i would like to address the issues i have with that fight at some point

[polar tide]

i'd like to address the issues i have with yo mama

[pseudo vector]

okay bro

[polar tide]

:)

[unique warren]

I think it's also weird how the mouth animation of Levi is so out of sync with the boulders he shoots

[pseudo vector]

maybe after brainstorm i can ideasguy some bullshit for levi + anahita lmao

[dense sundial]

it can be done well, you know

keyword can

[polar tide]

say it with me charlie

[silk zenith]

leviathan in infernum and base sucks

[dense sundial]

infernum levana are kinda rigid and clunky but i like them overall

[silk zenith]

anahita is good in infernum

but levi just sucks

he spams rocks

and has a dash attack

but thats basically it

[modern grove]

I rlly like Fables crabulon area denial attack

[pseudo vector]

it can be well done yeah but almost no one does it well

[modern grove]

It's very good because you the player can actually fight it and remove the spore producing things earlier by attacking them

[pseudo vector]

i did enjoy how the second sylux fight in metroid prime 4 does it

[modern grove]

So they don't just block this area off

You can remove them

[unique warren]

real...

[fierce nebula]

Metroid prime 4 🥀 🥀 🥀

[polar tide]

hollow knight trial of the fool [shrivels up into nothing]

[unique warren]

Does Mutant's circle count as this

[pseudo vector]

metroid prime 4 just has really good bosses lol

like i have my gripes with the game but i enjoyed it

[vivid hemlock]

she

[frigid matrix]

Hi, does the Calamity update directly depend on the TModLoader update?

[fierce nebula]

Calamity cant update to 1.4.5 until tmod updates to 1.4.5

[pale silo]

The pins explains is best

[sonic tiger]

2.1 + 1.4.5 compatibility at the same time would be incredible

[pseudo vector]

brainstorm will release on 1.4.4 tmod

[fierce nebula]

Definitely not happening

[pale silo]

Sso will likely be the 1.4.5 compatible update

[pseudo vector]

1.4.5 tmod will not be ready until later this year

[sonic tiger]

Mhm. Seems like a mountain of work.

[pale silo]

That or it'll be a separate patch after

[cobalt kiln]

Chat is the bat tranformation real

[pale silo]

Depending on tmod progress

[fierce nebula]

Tmod will most definitely not be updated by the time 2.1 releases

[pale silo]

Yes

You need to be in the vampire seed though

[cobalt kiln]

THANK YOU

I asked the terraria disc like 4 times and capt getting ignored Dx

Whats the seed name?

[fierce nebula]

2.1 will be massive anyways so it being on 1.4.4 shouldn’t be an issue

[sonic tiger]

I remember it taking a long time for the old secret seeds to be integrated into calamity.

And now the terraria devs added a TON more.

[pale silo]

One sec lemme find it, it's a long one

[fierce nebula]

And they added a million new secret seeds

[cobalt kiln]

[pale silo]

What a horrible night to have a curse

[sonic tiger]

Yeah...it's gonna be problematic to add support for all of those

[pale silo]

Case insensitive and doesn't care about spaces

[frigid matrix]

I hope the update will be released tomorrow))))))

[cobalt kiln]

Ty again!!!

[fierce nebula]

1.4.5 tmod tomorrow 🫧 🐠

[pseudo vector]

i don't think you really want 1.4.5 tmod to release tomorrow cuz it will be non-functional

[frigid matrix]

I'm talking about the Calamity update.

[west cipher]

1.4.5 übermorgan

[pseudo vector]

i don't think you want that either since we're still working on bug fixes and such

i say we but i do not work on the code

i simply report the bugs that need to be fixed

[pale silo]

What do you meannnnn I'm sure everyone wants a buggy mess that barely works after 3 years of development

[fierce nebula]

February probably

[pale silo]

Clearly what they want

[acoustic oriole]

also hot take, whip stacking removal is a great thing

[pseudo vector]

the last thing we want to give you guys is a buggy, unpolished update

[pseudo vector]

shouldn't be a hot take because it simply is a good change

keeps things properly balanced like they should be

[acoustic oriole]

well many people think that it is a bad change hence why its a hot take

[west cipher]

It makes it a lot easier to have good whips

Otherwise they would be broken

It was still kinda cool though

[deft lily]

those ppl are usually the kind of people who you dont really wanna be friendly with

imo

[fierce nebula]

That’s a weird response

[lapis hamlet]

xd

[pale silo]

It's mainly only a bad change to those who were the omega tryhards who do speed kills on vanillas already fragile balance

[west cipher]

"Someone likes something i dont like in a video game so we cant be friends"

[pale silo]

No the people who were defending it in maincord is who they're talking ab

[deft lily]

yeah

[fierce nebula]

It’s not a crazy take to like whipstacking

[pale silo]

Resorts to insults immediately

I'm fine with people liking it

[acoustic oriole]

you can like it, but you have to agree its unbalanced as hell

plus i think its considered a bug

[deft lily]

8 hour long convo that AFAIK is still going on

[pale silo]

But defending it to the day you die is different. Stating it's all summoner had

[pseudo vector]

the people who treat these kinds of changes happening like its the end of the world are uhhhhh
interesting

[frigid matrix]

I've been waiting for these two updates for years, the main game and the mod. I'm also incredibly excited for the Sea update

[pale silo]

Which is...no.

Summoner has so many other things

[sonic tiger]

1.4.5 summoner buffs + calamity will be...interesting.

When we get there ofc.

[deft lily]

they are their own worst enemy.

not much else 2 say 🤷‍♂️

[pseudo vector]

we saw the new reforges they added and some of them are uhhhh

interesting

and a little bit scary

[pale silo]

Tbf the reforges just suit whip only playstyles

[sonic tiger]

As a summoner main I am feasting.

[west cipher]

Every other class has reforges so it makes sence

[pale silo]

Which I'm fine with

[acoustic oriole]

summoner got what it deserves in this update: more prehardmode whips, more late game whips, pals which are all summons so its even cooler

and reforges

[pale silo]

Making whips a "subclass" proper

[pseudo vector]

oh yeah summoners are feasting and that's a good thing

[sonic tiger]

Hell yeah

[lapis hamlet]

As a True Melee main, i am feasting

[pseudo vector]

they're finally not crippled by their mere existence

[west cipher]

Whips are just part of summoner now

[pale silo]

Yeah

[west cipher]

Its free dps

[lapis hamlet]

Fr

but the whips is cool

[fierce nebula]

Were whips not a part of summoner before

[west cipher]

I wouldnt call it a subclass

[pale silo]

They definitely are a subclass ato

Atp

Otherwise tmelee ain't a subcoass

Nor guns only

[lucid wyvern]

Is calamity updated to the new version

[pale silo]

Nor bows only

Etc

[pale silo]

No, pins explains it

[west cipher]

Oh youre right

[fierce nebula]

Calamity is on 1.4.6

🎉

[lucid wyvern]

cheers

[spark belfry]

The stardust whip imo is the coolest addition, the stardust projectiles it makes are super pretty

[pale silo]

Tbh I do wonder how cross play will effect tmod

[west cipher]

I cant wait for terraria 2.0

[pale silo]

When we do get to that bridge

[acoustic oriole]

literally like 5 people play mods on mobile

[fierce nebula]

I just assume it wouldn’t have crossplay

[lapis hamlet]

how much it will take to update?

[west cipher]

I didnt even know mods worked on other platforma

[pale silo]

I just mean tmod being available on consoles cause of it may be nice

[fierce nebula]

Not really

[pale silo]

Namely Xbox/ps

[spark belfry]

Reddit is eating up people with hot takes against whip stacking it's like the gate to the inferno

[frigid matrix]

[acoustic oriole]

reddit is hell

[fierce nebula]

People use emulators to play on tmod on mobile I think

[spark belfry]

This is true

[lapis hamlet]

Fr bro

[pale silo]

And afaia main reason tmod ain't available on other platforms, is that pc terraria is coded differently to others

[west cipher]

Are mods even allowed by xbox/playstation/nintendo?

Def not nintendo

[pale silo]

Which cross play update should at least help with

[fierce nebula]

Uhhhhhh

[lapis hamlet]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

[lapis hamlet]

lol

[spark belfry]

Nah Nintendo will own your family if you mod anything

[pale silo]

If they're officially supported by the game yes

Which tmod is officially supported

So it should be fine

[west cipher]

I guess bedrock has the marketplace

[lapis hamlet]

the most smallest one, if u do, they def will...

[pale silo]

Examples rn would be fallout or elder scrolls

On xbox

[spark belfry]

[pale silo]

They can even have mods

[azure wren]

what the fk do you want me to do about it hailey

[pale silo]

Just a bit limited

[pale silo]

Make it look nice

[lapis hamlet]

Nintendo is scary, i know xd

[fierce nebula]

Bedrock has the slop marketplace

[west cipher]

Yeah

I hate it

Bloody minecoins

[fierce nebula]

It has some good things undoubtedly

[lapis hamlet]

XD

[spark belfry]

Slopmarket

[fierce nebula]

But the vast majority of it is slooopppp

[spark belfry]

I think my brother has spent over 200$ on packs on bedrock

And he had a PC

[lapis hamlet]

Noooo i lost my 100% achivement in terraria, now i will take the rest

[rancid rover]

Whens the update dropping agn

[spark belfry]

Rip

[lapis hamlet]

Calamity? maybe in a month idk

[lapis hamlet]

.

[lapis hamlet]

yes but i am pretty sure it dont will have something like the 84219841298 Fish Achivement xd

[spark belfry]

Yeah brainstorm end of February - early March, and tmod update is like... 6+ months from now

[fierce nebula]

There’s a bestiary achievement

[lapis hamlet]

BRO

[lapis hamlet]

nvm it have something more hard than it

Bestiary achivement and Trash Compactor...

It will TAKIN TOO LONG, but it will be fun :3

[grave geyser]

Bestiary doesn’t seem that bad tbh

You get pretty close just by playing the game normally I feel

50% of all items sounds way more annoying that’s like 3k items

[desert garnet]

if you arent doing normal playthrough, then ye

[fierce robin]

[desert garnet]

thats why i plan on doing getfixedboi achievments and the journey mode one at the same time

[desert garnet]

[junior arrow]

Hiho! So next Calamity version shoud be in a few months, yes? I want to try Calamity for the first time, there is no sense to wait till new version, yes?

[rancid pendant]

isnt it supposed to come out in february or march?

[distant raft]

brainstorm is january february

so it won't be too long a wait

[dull heart]

It'll be in a few weeks

[hushed hazel]

brainstorm january-february

[lapis hamlet]

yes but i am afraid it look the same as the "Cure the world from infection"

[lapis hamlet]

(You will never found the last one) ahhh moment

[dull heart]

They should have made it 100% research completion tbhtbh

[white aurora]

how many items does terraria have?

[lapis hamlet]

Not hard, but TAKIN TOO LONG

[uneven locust]

it would be so funny if tmod updates like a day after brainstorm comes out

[lapis hamlet]

yes

[distant raft]

1.4.5 pushed it over 6k

[white aurora]

good lord

[pseudo vector]

it absolutely will not lmao

[distant raft]

that would require brainstorm being either feb 27 or jan 31

[pseudo vector]

tmod 1.4.5 won't be ready for a long time

[lapis hamlet]

nah it will take much time to come

[uneven locust]

yeah I figured

[lapis hamlet]

i am pretty sure

[pseudo vector]

so we'll be on 1.4.4 until then

[distant raft]

its been so long since the last vanilla porting were there the standard monthlies during the porting process

[uneven locust]

catalyst whips it is for now then

[lapis hamlet]

How much to come to 1.4.5? 6 month?

[junior arrow]

Oh, so new Calamity isn't depend on Tmod? This is why I ask about few months

[lapis hamlet]

well, let devs cook

[pseudo vector]

we don't really know right now, that's down to the tmod devs

give them time tho cuz it will take a while

[junior arrow]

But I'm not rushing! I'm just asking if the new version of Tmod depends on the new version of Calamity

[pseudo vector]

brainstorm's release will not be delayed by 1.4.5 tmod, since it will release 1.4.4 tmod

wdym

calamity updating to 1.4.5 is dependent on when tmod 1.4.5 is ready for us to work on and port over to

[junior arrow]

Sorry, maybe I expressed myself poorly. English isn't my primary language. What I meant was that I wanted to start playing Calamity and I'm not sure whether to wait for the new version of the mod or play it now. If the new version of Calamity depends on the release of the new version of Tmod, it'll probably take a few months, right?

[pseudo vector]

the next calamity update (brainstorm) will be releasing in january / february, so i would wait until brainstorm releases to start a new playthrough

the new update will include some worldgen changes (namely revamped draedon labs) so you will need a new world for it

[dull heart]

The new version of Calamity will release within one month from now. It will still be on Terraria 1.4.4

[junior arrow]

Now I know everything! Thank You, guys!

[iron reef]

Calamitas portrait tomorrow!

[glossy cypress]

So do you lose the attack speed buff when you switch off snapthorn to another whip now?

If so, then what's the point in the attack speed increase whips having that be a thing, when it just means they're a fast whip now (like, might as well just reduce the use time)

[twin juniper]

Yeah

[west cipher]

I thought sso was going to be the next update

[distant raft]

split into two

all the sunken sea related stuff is for sso

all the non-sunken sea stuff is its own update

[honest vine]

WTF

did they fix hoiking???

im trying to make a hoik for ooa

not working

am i stupid

[upbeat hare]

yo what did they add in 1.4.5.1

or did the changelog not come out yet

[dull heart]

Partially yes

[honest vine]

what the fuckk

RIP ooa

now i have to do it normally

[distant raft]

shit is not that bad

[twin juniper]

Vanilla ooa 💔

[honest vine]

i dont like getting sentries

rahh

[dull heart]

It's not an intentional fix

They'll probably bring it back

[stark quail]

oh was there a hotfix?

[honest vine]

hell ye

[distant raft]

YOURE GIVEN ENOUGH FOR TWO FOR TIER 1??????????

FOR FREE????????????????????

[modern grove]

the weapon hitboxes being tied to sprites is too right

[honest vine]

ya but

but uhhm umh uh

i dont like them ok

[stark quail]

hoiks got fixed lol

[twin juniper]

Tier3 ooa suck I hat

[modern grove]

sprite restrictions for texture packs were removed but everything points towards it being a bug

[honest vine]

speaking of the devil

YEEEEEEEE

[distant raft]

one hotfix of many

[stark quail]

yep

this section is blank tho

[distant raft]

jesus christ

[spark kiln]

where

[hasty tangle]

they actually tried to patch hoiks? what

or was it an accident from another change

i see that its being undone but why was it done in the first place

[distant raft]

based on the use of "a" instead of "the" i do think it was unintentional collateral

[hasty tangle]

hmmm

it would be funny if this update needs exactly 6 more small patches before reaching the final (and longest-lasting) version of 1.4.5

cuz then we would have terraria also having its own 1.4.5.7 version that lasts for a while

just like cal before 1.5

[dull heart]

WAIT

They fixed the minions dying out of bounds???

That's HUGE

[dull heart]

No, it was unintentional

[hasty tangle]

k

[stark quail]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/1.4.5.1 my first ever wiki page...

for terraria one i mean

[halcyon seal]

Hoiks are the siphons of Terraria

[pale silo]

Hoiks is the budded redstone of terraria

[orchid finch]

hoiks is love

[deft lily]

hoik my beloved

[lapis hamlet]

who is hoik

judge me xd

[stark quail]

LESGOO

[tropic jolt]

🪱

[orchid finch]

legit?

[stark quail]

yes

i had a world i 100%ed the bestiary on so i just finished it with the 1.4.5 mobs

[orchid finch]

ah

makes se- what 1.4.5 mobs

[cobalt wharf]

poo slime pal

[stark quail]

theres a few

[final pine]

pufferfish

[final pine]

did they deadass add a poo slime

[orchid finch]

oh yeah that's right

[orchid finch]

yes

there's a full list of all special slimes I sent today

[stark quail]

pufferfish
orca
librarian skeleton
water bolt mimic
statue mimic
moss zombie

those are the new ones that count for bestiary

[orchid finch]

libwhat

where

[cobalt wharf]

northernlion skeleton

[stark quail]

dungeon

[orchid finch]

okay, another question then

why

[versed heart]

Why not?

[orchid finch]

eh I guess

the whole update is basically a big "why not"

[versed heart]

It gives prehardmode Dungeon one more unique threat

[prisma cipher]

It gives MONEY!!!!!!

[glossy cypress]

Damn. Summoner is pretty one note now, which is a shame

[prisma cipher]

It was busted as shit with whip stacking so I’m fine with it

[pale silo]

Minus the fact that you still have benefits from using multiple whips

It's just not "ha ha I deal 5x damage just because"

[modern grove]

i'm sad about whip stacking dying🥀

[glossy cypress]

how? they removed it

[modern grove]

it could be fun if the buffs at least stayed

tag damage whatever could be removed

[pale silo]

The alt effects of whips still exist

[pale silo]

They do..for one swing

Aka: whip stacking just got a higher skill ceiling with less gain

[modern grove]

but it was fun to synergize different whips and their abilities i think the gameplay of that was neat

[pale silo]

Their abilities still synergize

[cobalt wharf]

the actual gameplay is pressing the 2 and 3 key once every 4 seconds

[glossy cypress]

It just makes it sit there and left click with your summons out now. I mean, part of the identity of every other class has always been switching weapons to fit the circumstance in a fight. Whips are all too similar for that, which is why having something to do in a fight like stacking was fun

[pale silo]

It's just the base whips for tag damage dont

[cobalt wharf]

it’s not difficult or particularly fun

[pale silo]

And the extra buff stays for one swing

[prisma cipher]

Whips has way more secondary effects now so you can still do this

[pale silo]

Part of the identity of summoner has been that you do jack shite

[prisma cipher]

Also sentries can be used as active weapons

[pale silo]

Ever since it release

[glossy cypress]

disagree, it's much more fun than only holding left click

[pale silo]

That changed in 1.4

Sentry micro still exists

And whip targeting still exists

[cobalt wharf]

when do you switch ranger weapons rather than using a generic straight shot weapon

[glossy cypress]

so they made that even more true lol?

[pale silo]

And using different whips to trigger their alt effects still exists

[cobalt wharf]

not very often

ranger variety is better but not by too much

[glossy cypress]

often

[pale silo]

Tldr: try it out.

[glossy cypress]

their alt effects do nothing if you're being realistic

[pale silo]

You'll notice the feeling of it isn't really gone

[pale silo]

Yeah and the main point of summoner shouldn't be a hyper aggressive true melee

It's an alt to mage that doesn't need constant mana resupply

With the main problem it has is controlling the ai

Which even before whips was easy

(1.3.5 added force targeting if you right click with any summon weapon)

Summoners identity has always been more of a hands off approach

[stark quail]

oh my god

slime rain

NOOOO

[glossy cypress]

it's a lot more boring, not sure what to tell you. You're set in your opinion though

[pale silo]

Well that's what summoner is

[glossy cypress]

nah

[pale silo]

Play melee if you want that playstyle

It's in the name, summoner

[prisma cipher]

It was an unintended thing

[pale silo]

You summon creatures to fight for you

You are not the weapon

You support the weapons

[glossy cypress]

Literally every class for all of 1.4 has had switching weapons mid combat be something that is fun and can be helpful

[pale silo]

Which is the intention of whips

[prisma cipher]

Same with summoner

[pale silo]

Yeah and summoner does???

Sentries.

Forget they exist?

[prisma cipher]

That’s what I’m saying!

When can you get the flamethrower pal btw

Is it a summon weapon or ranger weapon

[pale silo]

Microing sentries has always been a massive part of summoner

[glossy cypress]

lol there's no way you think sentries is the equivalent

[pale silo]

Up until whip stacking

[pale silo]

You've got it the wrong way round

Whip stacking was the alt to sentries.

And it was an unintended behaviour that was nerfed and nerfed again

[glossy cypress]

no it wasn't

[pale silo]

Yes it was

[glossy cypress]

you're a dev?

[pale silo]

Anyone who played before 1.4 knows this

[glossy cypress]

and vast majority of people found summoner a lot more fun after 1.4

[pale silo]

As a dev: why would you keep nerfing something into removing it if it wasn't how you wanted a class to be played?

Explain that rly quick

[pale silo]

That was just because whips was this brand new thing

Whips in themselves is a great mechanic

Whip stacking aint

Whips are supposed to be the support to the support

[glossy cypress]

No, people have still loved them to now

[pale silo]

Well I'm p sure everyone also loves the zenith too

[glossy cypress]

that's what whip stacking does as well

[pale silo]

Nope

Whip stacking was you becoming the main DPS and main target

Whip stacking got it's name directly from the whip only builds. It was just adjusted when that was shot dead.

"whip stacking" was basically the true melee of melee, but as summoner

It's insanely strong when you're really aggressive and the boss allows it

[glossy cypress]

most people enjoyed it, I'm sure you can reconcile with that. It was fun on a macro scale, that's it. Pretty boring without

[pale silo]

I know I didn't enjoy it, I know of many others who didnt

The tryhards who liked minmaxing enjoyed it yes

But that's just cause it increased dps

[rugged plume]

Whip stacking is boring cheeze

[pale silo]

It wasn't because of the whip stacking itself

If any other class had smth like that, they'd enjoy it

[glossy cypress]

think you'll find it's a pretty vocal minority who tend to gravitate towards like-minded discussions on it

[rugged plume]

we just need zenith for every class problem solved everyone happy :)

[pale silo]

And "whip stacking" still exists as a DPS increaser

[glossy cypress]

how is it more boring than sitting there holding M1 with the same weapon?

[pale silo]

It's just insanely nerfed on the sentry/summon part

[prisma cipher]

Cuz you kill the boss in 30 seconds probably

[pale silo]

The whips still benefit a lot

[glossy cypress]

So then nerf all the whips by like half, so Summoner is less effective but still has something to do mid battle

[rugged plume]

I play a lot of games where u have to combo weapons similar to whip stacking and it’s just boring sitting there hotkey swapping to beat bosses is not as fun as just trying diff builds n

[pale silo]

The whips wasn't the problem. It was how they synergised

[prisma cipher]

Yeah which they still do

[pale silo]

And they did nerf most whips

And they added many others

[glossy cypress]

I know. Nerf all the synergies by half, keep whip stacking so you do more than just sit there in a fight

[prisma cipher]

And this would be problematic for people who do subclass only stuff

[pale silo]

You can still whip stack yknow. You just get low benefit

[prisma cipher]

Nerfing one thing because of how it synergizes with other things rather than the synergy is stupid

[pale silo]

Go ahead and try it out

[glossy cypress]

like a .05% damage increase basically. No incentive

[rugged plume]

u just want to play melee

just do it

[pale silo]

Like nerfing Daedalus when only using holy arrows

As an example

[prisma cipher]

Yeah!

[pale silo]

How many people disliked that going?

[glossy cypress]

no, because they should have made whip stacking required but nerfed it's effectiveness, because it's more fun than not doing it

[pale silo]

That broken combo that used to carry you till cultist basically

[pale silo]

"required"

[prisma cipher]

Yeah but then the skill floor is way too high for new peeps

[rugged plume]

If whip stacking was required I would book myself before playing summoner

boom

[pale silo]

You seriously don't get the purpose of summoner

[prisma cipher]

Switching isn’t something new peeps do

[pale silo]

That's why you nerf the synergy.

[glossy cypress]

it's not hard though? It's just fun.

[pale silo]

Not the base weapons

[pale silo]

Do it on Xbox rly quick

With a controller

Oh sorry! This required tech is now impossible just because you don't play pc

[rugged plume]

I whip stacked for the first time to cheese eol during day time, it was extremely easy and honestly boring. I would straight up rather just sit there than be sittin there hotkey swapping

[pale silo]

What a fun class

[prisma cipher]

Make some rando in the street do this with a controller

[cobalt wharf]

making an uncommunicated unintended side effect required for a classes balance to function is crazy work

[rugged plume]

Yeah like I play on pc and whip stacking was mad ez but im gonna do a playthrough on my AYN Thor and whip stacking would be extremely awful to do on that thing

[pale silo]

Also I love how you compare whip stacking to defence stacking on melee, which is also absurdly broken that should definitely be nerfed

[prisma cipher]

Oh also sword staff with tag damage

[glossy cypress]

you don't need to be extremely fast when switching. That's to do with how horrible the console port controls are anyway. Game shouldn't be on them with how bad it is to play

[pale silo]

Go ahead. Do it then.

Actually try it

[cobalt wharf]

this got removed fyi

[pale silo]

The bumpers won't survive.

[prisma cipher]

YOOOO

PEAK

[glossy cypress]

how ancient are your controllers?

[pale silo]

Main reason it was added was cause of whip stacking

[cobalt wharf]

yeah

[prisma cipher]

Byeah it was a change at some point

[cobalt wharf]

without that it doesn’t need dumb balance concessions

[pale silo]

How old do you think the average player is?

[prisma cipher]

I love blade staff

[pale silo]

A majority of players are either on low end pcs, mobile, or "old" gen consoles

[glossy cypress]

you severely underestimate the skill and willingness to learn of younger people

[pale silo]

(Xbox 1/PS4)

[pale silo]

You severely overestimate how skilled people are lately

[prisma cipher]

Which they do already with dodging and using a weapon as it is

[pale silo]

I'll be honest, everyone is only getting worse and worse at skills

As new generations go on

[prisma cipher]

Terrarias biggest critique is that it’s too much of a wiki game an too un beginner friendly

[pale silo]

Yeah

[prisma cipher]

Locking a class by something that is “advanced” is

[pale silo]

All you're suggesting is make it even less beginner friendly

Summoner is meant to be the brain dead class tbh

[rugged plume]

yeah and whip stacking is not communicated in the game at all

[prisma cipher]

Imo it’s the class that requires most wiki but most beginner friendly

[glossy cypress]

I'm pretty sure people know how to move along their hotbar. People already do it to move from a sword to a boomerang or a yoyo

[pale silo]

No actually most people do it a slow way

Mouse wheel

[prisma cipher]

Most people use mouse wheel and yet again, controllers

[pale silo]

Tbh I only lately started using hotkeys for hotbars in games

[glossy cypress]

It's pretty simply boiled down to it was fun, now it's less fun. That's it really

[iron hull]

my mouse wheel is broken and im forced to switch between slots via keyboard 💔

[pale silo]

Have a guess what game taught me that? Terraria

So I could RoD better

[hasty tangle]

i never switch slots via the scroll wheel

[pale silo]

I used to

[hasty tangle]

its too unreliable to do quickly

[prisma cipher]

Most of my irl friends cannot use hot keys to swap

[pale silo]

Now I only do it for the later slots

6-10 normally

[glossy cypress]

yeah, and you don't need to be fast to at least have some sort of effect. The buffs last a couple seonds, if you're only getting 1 second of that effect by the time you switch, it's still better than overwriting it when you switch

[prisma cipher]

They’ve all at least played terraria for 1k hours

[pale silo]

I use keys for 1-5

[prisma cipher]

People doesn’t even see a reason for it

[pale silo]

Yes you did fyi

[prisma cipher]

People don’t get debuffs or see that whips would stack

[pale silo]

You're just mixing it all up

[prisma cipher]

So why would you swap weapons when you can just use good weapon that lands the shots

[glossy cypress]

yeah, same. 1-5 or 1-6 I do with the keys

[pale silo]

I sometimes reach 6 but I never have an important item there

So don't really use it

[glossy cypress]

only if you wanted it do work best

[prisma cipher]

Depending on how desperate I am I get up to 1-8

[glossy cypress]

There is basically no reason to have any other weapons in your hotbar now. No other class is that narrow and boring

[pale silo]

And so..what you're saying is everyone who wanted summoner to even be viable...becomes forced to play it amazingly?

Very fast

[prisma cipher]

And most people doesn’t even use any other weapon

And still

[pale silo]

I probably can

[prisma cipher]

There is a reason to do it for summoner