calamity-update-talk

[raw falcon]

idk

[kindred night]

what about silva

[raw falcon]

Silva is immortal

[grave rock]

I still like the idea that skeletons arent even undead

Theyre just. Skeletons

[kindred night]

wouldn't she make a good necromancer

[grave rock]

Silva is sleeping

[raw falcon]

well, no, she'd probably straight up revive you

fully fledged

Calamitas is a stupid she should've just gone to silva smh

[fathom girder]

I prefer asking yharon to turn me into an egg so I can be reborn as a um

Yeah

[dull heart]

Calamity Update: Talk

[fathom girder]

there's no update yet

we can't talk

[dull heart]

Calamity Date: Silence

[vestal osprey]

Update very soon

Likely febuary

Guess what month is soon?

March!

We're skipping febuary this year, no calamity until 2027

[blazing field]

@stiff quartz

wrong

@wise bolt

can u guys add a new pre hardmode snow biome enemy thtas a walrus

it gets a hardmode upgrade thats a seal

thans

thanks

[wise bolt]

no

[vestal osprey]

We're you always a mod?

[blazing field]

why :(

[viral merlin]

Seals suck

[blazing field]

ive been a mod for like several months now

[blazing field]

YOu suck

[vestal osprey]

I suck for not noticing

[viral merlin]

The baby seal being dipped in lava gif

[blazing field]

yep

[viral merlin]

They're only cute when they're small and furry

[cunning sequoia]

can we dip cheese in lava

[raw falcon]

can you add more worms

like

critters

[vestal osprey]

There is somthing im wondering

If the tmod 1.4.5 releases before sunken sea overhaul part 1. Will the calamity porting 1.4.5 add anything beyond just porting?

[viral merlin]

No more worms

[raw falcon]

i want more worms

[viral merlin]

No worms

[vestal osprey]

Duality of man

[raw falcon]

More worms

[vivid hemlock]

not every dev will be working on sso i imagine since not everyone will be interested so i dont see it just being the port

every calamity patch and update has come with atleast some random weapon reworks in the past few years

[viral merlin]

Calamity port has a higher priority than future updates

Because it makes the mod actually playable

[vestal osprey]

I hope the port adds the NPC portraits to calamity NPC.

I know the devs said they had it on the back burner but didnt go far with it cause theres much higher priority things.

But now since 1.4.5 is adding it to the base game I think it be the perfect time.

[viral merlin]

Probably another thing to add to SSO 2

Or SSO 1 if lucky

[raw falcon]

sso is a myth created by big amidias to sell more giant clams

[vestal osprey]

Honestly its such a simple thing in the grand scheme of things that there will probably be a add on mod that adds it like days after 1.4.5 tmod releases

There is somebody on the terraria subreddit who made portraits for all the thorium NPCs already

[hollow harness]

yea, Eduardo

they made them for fun I think

[versed heart]

In less than a day and a half, impressively

Or at least that's impressive to me, though I'm not a pixel artist

[icy stump]

Shimmered NPCs also have their portraits?

[hollow harness]

We do not know yet

[modern grove]

tbh i dont see a reason why they wont have them

[hollow harness]

most likely they have though yea

they made it easier to shimmer npcs anyways, they added the shimmer water gun

[vestal osprey]

Calamity doesnt even have shimmered NPCs yet

[modern grove]

also also unironically one of the things im really excited about is new hairstyles

[vestal osprey]

Wonder what they would look like?

[hollow harness]

idk

[vestal osprey]

Shimmered calamitas: She is happy and not traumatized

[versed heart]

Pink SCal
(probably not)

[hollow harness]

I mean you kinda can trace how shimmer npcs look in vanilla

[modern grove]

its so fucking funny that the only npc that had a shimmered design was cirrus

of course its cirrus

[hollow harness]

Either reference to another thing (wizard shimmer being that one FF mage), or its stuff like pirate npc being its phantom

Guide is just Redigit

[hollow harness]

of course its the fucking self-insert npc

[cunning sequoia]

it was probably cause the design was ready

[modern grove]

i think guide references irl Red and steampunker references irl Cenx

[cunning sequoia]

and i wonder why it was ready...

[versed heart]

Old Man/Clothier refences irl Chippy too

[modern grove]

it would be very very funny if shimmered scal referenced Ozz's pfp

[viral merlin]

Shimmered scal is a normal woman instead of a witch

[hollow harness]

dryad shimmer references the evil variant from the game where OOA comes from

what was that game named again?

[versed heart]

SCal if they drank a gender potion:

[modern grove]

dungeon defenders ?

[versed heart]

The second one, yeah

[hollow harness]

yea DD2

[dull heart]

DD is peak

DD2 was decent

[versed heart]

I've heard bad things about the work culture or something around DD2, unfortunately

[dull heart]

Unsurprising

[lyric trellis]

Deep Diver 2

[dull heart]

Go my Pelagic Plunderer

one of my silly scrapped items

[grave rock]

Deep diver.....

[hollow harness]

the dash key looking at me after equiping this

[modern grove]

they should add an item called deer driver

[dull hemlock]

this would be kinda busted

[fathom girder]

Probably why it was scrapped :p

[dull hemlock]

old duke infernum fight would be so much easier finally 😭

[deft lily]

And straight

[grave rock]

Shoots you

[tropic jolt]

calamitas if she was evil

[vestal osprey]

Wouldnt evil calamitas just be providence?

[dull heart]

not really

It just didn't feel right

[deft lily]

:(

[still sorrel]

Will some calamity weapons «vanillise» in future?

Like flails or swords

[amber furnace]

isnt she already evil

[dusk bronze]

no

she was abused and manipulated

[amber furnace]

oh that sucks

[cunning sequoia]

she did some fucked up things but she's pretty chill

just. severely traumatized

[wise bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465026166493544459/1465424825513148559/IMG_8806.gif

[obtuse silo]

lunatic cultist in the corner doing it for the love of the game:

[cunning sequoia]

pincurchin

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-funny-meme-animal-pincurchin-gif-8726620643400020496

[obtuse silo]

i want them to add the removed bosses so badly..

[wise bolt]

i need to draw cultist again

[cunning sequoia]

i, too, want to fight the same 3 bosses twice for no reason

[obtuse silo]

i need to draw again

[wise bolt]

leegrid

[cunning sequoia]

leegriddy

[obtuse silo]

they deserve their own update

[cunning sequoia]

hater of babies

[dusk bronze]

why

[obtuse silo]

resprites, full new bosses, harder than normally

[cunning sequoia]

extradimensional entity beefing with toddlers

[wise bolt]

@polar tide your son

[obtuse silo]

🤑

[wise bolt]

legid

[polar tide]

what

[obtuse silo]

they deserve it for being gone for so long..

[polar tide]

legrid

[dusk bronze]

someone who likes future bosses and is not aware of leegrid

[wise bolt]

legrid

[cunning sequoia]

legrid

[wise bolt]

[polar tide]

where did this "leegrid hates babies" thing come from. i think hes completely ambivalent to the concept

[vivid hemlock]

[polar tide]

LOL?

[dusk bronze]

the rp as far as i can tell

[polar tide]

ah

[wise bolt]

oh yeha i forgot tyrant was playing leegrid

[blazing field]

We have a big rp master doc with all sorts of info like links to character documments and short summaries of the characters and whatnot and like

to this day

Leegrid is just this

[polar tide]

this is untrue i think he could not bring himself to givea shit about babies if he tried

[dusk bronze]

but consider: funny

[polar tide]

no

[dusk bronze]

dies

[wise bolt]

leegrid mischaracterization in rp

[rare thunder]

is infernum mode usable on tmodloader v2025.11.3.1

[blazing field]

He hates babies that his only character trait

[dusk bronze]

wrong channel

[wise bolt]

leegrid mischaracterization in rp

[rare thunder]

what one do i go to sorry

[dusk bronze]

#calamity-addon-talk

[loud pewter]

would the brainstorm update be playable with 1.4.5, or will it be released for the current version first and then updated later on?

[dusk bronze]

pinned message

[blazing field]

Latter

Tmod takes some time to update

[polar tide]

ive been meaning to make a cohesive leegrid document for cd and i to use i keep thinking about it and then forgetting

[loud pewter]

okeh thanks

[wise bolt]

dementia gaming

[halcyon seal]

Yk now that I think about it we kinda just attacked this guy for no reason huh

[grim atlas]

who even is leegrid

[obtuse silo]

true

he was just minding his own business

[halcyon seal]

Like I get it, terrarian you squid really strong

But like we just killed this guy’s followers and then him

For no reason

I mean it did work out in the end so good for us

[obtuse silo]

lunatic cultist could solo xeroc if he was on lunar steroids

[halcyon seal]

Lunatic Cultist could solo all of Cal if he actually used that phantasmal dragon summon

Broken ass enemy

[obtuse silo]

dont underestimate him, he wanted us to kill him...

[dusk bronze]

the alleged not hater of babies

[grim atlas]

is there anything to him other than hating babies

[dusk bronze]

idk

[halcyon seal]

If I had to guess he’s not fond of toddlers

But maybe he loves those guys

[obtuse silo]

what are we talking about

[grim atlas]

🤔

i have no idea

[obtuse silo]

i haven't played calamity since decades

😅

[dusk bronze]

leegrid of course

[obtuse silo]

ok

[grim atlas]

some fanfic character ?? i really don't know who blud is

[wise bolt]

"alleged" and it came from the guy who made him

[lyric trellis]

Ancient Doomsayer returns

[dusk bronze]

[obtuse silo]

ancient doomsayer is just lunatic cultist on lunar protein

wait until you meet lunatic cultist on lunar steroids,

new boss summon idea? 🤔

[wise bolt]

:/

[dusk bronze]

i was cluelessing myself if that was unclear

[wise bolt]

no, it wasn't

[dusk bronze]

not since 2017 sory

[lyric trellis]

Lunatic Cultist on Yharim Stims

[grim atlas]

oh god

[fathom girder]

isn't that just yharim

cuz yharim is gonna be a lunatic cultist reskin :)

[polar tide]

dubiously canon/official modern interpretation of the old ancient doomsayer concept developed by cdmusic and i

[obtuse silo]

i remember there just being a mod that makes lunatic cultist buff

[polar tide]

stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHZGSmGLAGg

[dusk bronze]

🔥

[hushed hazel]

lunatic swoletist

[obtuse silo]

can they even add the bosses back to the game

because remakes would've been sick asf

[polar tide]

they could if they wanted to lol

[halcyon seal]

Almost definitely not gonna happen but

An addon maybe?

[wise bolt]

devourer of universes ..

[halcyon seal]

Idk kinda depends on if people actually wanna do it

[obtuse silo]

also BROOOO

the fuck happened to the cultist

[dusk bronze]

buffed yharon would just be like
zeratros
and that guy's been dead for 850 years

[obtuse silo]

😭

[halcyon seal]

Devourer of Universes is what Sepulcher becomes after they die, it says so in the Bestiary

[obtuse silo]

yes

[grave rock]

I could see someone making a future bosses addon in the future

[wise bolt]

side eye

[polar tide]

cd and i have talked about hypothetical leegrid addon (among other ideas) but its not really the biggest fish on anyones fryer rn

[dusk bronze]

leegrid is not lunatic cultist
they are different characters

[obtuse silo]

oh

[grim atlas]

oh cool!

ancient doom slayer

[obtuse silo]

but both of them are ment to be doomsayer

[vivid hemlock]

i think it could work if leegrid was a major post-dog miniboss in the distortion but the distortion is not going to be a thing in so many years so idrk

[dusk bronze]

cultist isn't because doomsayer doesn't exist currently

[buoyant pulsar]

doomguy's pacifist brother

[unique warren]

I don’t know what a leegrid is

[dusk bronze]

scroll up

[obtuse silo]

no i ment that doomsayer used to just be a stronger lunatic cultist

[dusk bronze]

this is true

[polar tide]

the original "ancient doomsayer" really was just like stronger cultist but our version of the character is a separate guy

[dusk bronze]

and it lasted an entire 3 weeks

[obtuse silo]

yeah

that's what i ment

[unique warren]

I’m having a bit of a hard time finding where anyone mentioned who that is

[dusk bronze]

.

[unique warren]

I see…

[dusk bronze]

would devourer of universes just be noxus

[grave rock]

For Yharon id love the idea of an ancient depressed Yharon as a future boss

[grim atlas]

definitely like a soul of cinder thing with him having been reborn a billion times

[unique warren]

Does it? 🤔

[obtuse silo]

i'd love lunatic cultist coming back..

[grave rock]

Millenia after Yharim inevitably dies either from you or from old ahe and he's still around

[polar tide]

neither of us are really interested in giving a similar treatment to the other two scrapped future bosses (unless cd is like surprise i've been working on a devourer of universes theme this whole time or something) so go ham i guess

[obtuse silo]

lunatic cultist coming back to life as a cyborg robot on a wheelchair while just using the fargo's souls boss method

[unique warren]

Wasn’t there some old lore thing about a relationship between DoG and Sepulchers 🤔

[dusk bronze]

no

[grim atlas]

no

[obtuse silo]

idk but i wonder if lunatic cultist has any specific lore in calamity

[unique warren]

Hm, odd, I must be misremembering

[grim atlas]

[dusk bronze]

it was just the evil tooltip

[dusk bronze]

some

[grim atlas]

i don't blame people for being misled by the tooltip though

[dusk bronze]

i can regail you in #lore-discussion

[obtuse silo]

bet

[dusk bronze]

obligatory
WHAT THE FUCK IS A METAPHOR

[grim atlas]

it's a misleading tooltip

[grim atlas]

at first glance it definitely seems to imply a more direct relationship

[tropic jolt]

as fast as a cheetah

[unique warren]

That is quite odd considering I remember this quite vividly

Ugh, stupid WiFi

Oh it’s just this

Seems more like a correlation than anything lol

[polar tide]

the exhumed items get really fucking cool new tooltips in brainstorm i am eager for people to see them

[dusk bronze]

true!

[vivid hemlock]

wait rlly

[polar tide]

yes

[vivid hemlock]

thats awesomesauce

[dusk bronze]

metastasis is funny but in a different way now

[polar tide]

if you have brainblending mega turbo autism about calamity mod lore and characters like i do then you'll get a kick out of them

[wise bolt]

nuclear autism

[vivid hemlock]

the lore community will be gleeful

[valid crypt]

i missed a wtf is a metaphor moment

[barren nacelle]

Generational image

[wise bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465026166493544459/1465424825823662080/IMG_8807.gif

[unique warren]

Can y'all kill usestyle1

[raw falcon]

why would they kill usestyle1

[unique warren]

It sucks 😠

Primarily with true melee, idgaf about it anywhere else

[raw falcon]

yeah you know what else sucks? Having calamity fuck with every other mod that has swords in unintended and major ways

[fathom girder]

well that's too bad

[unique warren]

Okay kill might have been an overstatement

Just like, stop use it pls

[hardy gulch]

you are using metastasis mate

[distant raft]

the only time ive actually seen a well made usestyle1 massacre fuck something up is iri m2

[blazing field]

I mean some weapons being boring is fine i think

I think it'd diminish of the weapons you're actually meant to look at and go woah this is cool! if Yellow Wood Sword was super flashy

Y'know syndrome

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-ang-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-super-heroes-gif-5389961

[grim pecan]

are you implying palm wood sword shouldn't be the flashiest weapon ever

[blazing field]

palm wood sword only run

[distant raft]

i dont mean like vfx and shit i just mean swinging the sword at the cursor like in eternity mode (objective buff to melee and i dont get how people think turning it off is better)

[fathom girder]

palmwood sword needs more rainbows

[raw falcon]

but yeah terraria in general could use better sword swing animations

[fathom girder]

Not having to worry about omni aim makes it easier to focus on dodging and whatnot

and fargos is a big fan of bullet hells

[signal mountain]

Yo, I've been looking around a bit but I'm terrible; is there anything about calamity being updated with the coming patch? Will it be playable or will it need some time to update?

[raw falcon]

something like the fractured ark swing animations for all basic swords would be really cool i think

[fathom girder]

look at the pins

YOu'll get your explanation there

[distant raft]

you also get to hit things youre running away from

[signal mountain]

Oh thanks! One place I didn't think to check

[deft lily]

no way
a cal fan who can read

extremely rare footage

[raw falcon]

we're all collectively illiterate

[deft lily]

you said it not me

[raw falcon]

its honestly a wonder how they've kept this text based server running considering none of us can read

[modern grove]

i hate that this is my legacy

[unique warren]

I actually have no issue with this

My only issue is that you can't swing them the opposite of the direction ur moving

[blazing field]

fair nuff

[lyric trellis]

Astral Monolith bow should make Supernova stealth look tame

[deft lily]

i think every weapon is lame

[modern grove]

they should add a weapon that summons the clown car deus to attack for you except its a bunch of full sized worms

[deft lily]

killing shit is lame tbh ngl

beating terraria without killing anything challenge

[modern grove]

"""beating"""" terraria

i see what you are

violent monster

[deft lily]

okay buddy

you win this time

[versed heart]

Easy, just use that one pacifist mod

Though that doesn't work with calamity mod, but you didn't say beating Calamity mod

[deft lily]

incoming the average undertale fan to make the 142921494th "pacifist run" joke

[blazing field]

beating terraria but i enjoy the game at a normal pace and indulge in activities such as building and fishing and exploring

(this is the hardest challenge for calamity players ever)

[versed heart]

Actually no that doesn't Include the Lunatic Cultist, the Pillars, or the Moon Lord as of now

[cunning sequoia]

what are those

[deft lily]

true

[cunning sequoia]

sounds boring

[versed heart]

Can't wait for the Yheroxum bossfight when the mod's finished

[amber furnace]

I wanna learn how to do the sandbox part of the game but I can't develop creativity 💔

I wanna spend 1000 hours in a single world just by building stuff along the years

[tribal isle]

the verboten yhar

[dull heart]

we've discussed this and decided not to

[unique warren]

Something something souls alr did that

[dull heart]

i tried other ways than souls too

#458432049716527115 message

wrong link copy grah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406493898341613568/1398422111378477286/alternatedemo.mp4?ex=68854d94&is=6883fc14&hm=c9c3b35a9c03d1da13d28e468524e370c96d4e9f9b4c7a6c28bec931a7d64c93&

[unique warren]

Fair enough though I wouldn’t mind if y’all made a new swing style that’s functionally identical to usestyle1 but you can swing whatever way you want with true melee weapons

[grave geyser]

well I mean at that point its no longer functionally identical to usestyle 1

[unique warren]

Hmm yes that is why I added a “but” in the sentence

[lapis oak]

somehow looking very cursed

[wise bolt]

astral apotheosis

[obtuse hawk]

does anyone have a doc/list of the updates that'll be in brainstorm so that it can be differentiated from the SSO update

cause ik they were split at some point before

[hot wadi]

Check for the docs link in the pins

[obtuse hawk]

alr

ty

[arctic cliff]

i think they MEANT

Swings similarly to usestyle1, albeit aimable

[unique warren]

Yeh :)

[obtuse hawk]

dw i think brainstorm is cool

[gloomy grove]

brainstorm for 100 ozzabucks

[obtuse hawk]

BoC looks awesome in the spoiler images

I hope this one is "okay this is a brain boss so ACTUALLY use your head a bit instead of just running the opposite direction"

[arctic cliff]

i agree

he does look awesome

[unique warren]

Will Comet Quasher get a different recipe

Its current one kinda boring lowkey

[grim pecan]

it's been tiershifted and gotten a new recipe yes

[dusk bronze]

oh hi sunny!

[unique warren]

Oooh dope, anything else about that

[grim pecan]

i've never heard of this person in my life

[dusk bronze]

wait
wrong sunny

[deft lily]

who in the calamity update talk is sunny

never heard of em

[unique warren]

Also, would Stellar Striker get a resprite too? 🤔

[dusk bronze]

that's been confirmed for ages

[unique warren]

Dope

Just didn’t see it anywhere lol

[arctic cliff]

theres... a new sunny? on the block?

[unique warren]

What the

[gloomy grove]

sunny sequel

[obtuse hawk]

calamitas be damned this matter is miraculous

[unique warren]

Idk quite how I feel about that

Like obviously those are WIP

[arctic cliff]

yeah you're not alone, this specific style has been controversial, needless to say

[unique warren]

I can see why.

[gloomy grove]

controversial???

[unique warren]

Like I get it but I also totally don’t, what exactly was the thought process here

[arctic cliff]

iirc unfortunately the guy who specifically did the sawblade (dunno if he did the bow too) quit after some incident with another dev

[unique warren]

I see

[iron dew]

i thought dia made the sawblade?

[unique warren]

If anything I just think they should respite Magnomaly and call it a day idk

[arctic cliff]

oyeahhh

[hushed hazel]

the thought process was giving miracle matter more cohesive design as a set

[gloomy grove]

HPU did not work on any of those afaik

[gloomy grove]

also this

[unique warren]

That’s… odd

[pulsar cobalt]

the thought process was making it a proper evolution and combination of elemental and miracle matter stuff

[arctic cliff]

tobias tried working on the exoblade

that was what it was

[unique warren]

Miracle matter weapons have always felt extremely cohesive to me

[pulsar cobalt]

instead of "well it has metal and crystals and stuff"

"and fire too"

[gloomy grove]

complete opposite

[hushed hazel]

i think specifically the reason it looks like that is that the crystals are drained of energy and the white material erupts out and solidifies

or something like that

[deft lily]

ah

[arctic cliff]

I think the confusion stems from how these in-progress sprites, tbh FEEL less cohesive

they're more cohesive in some ways, but as a whole the coloration doesnt really help

[unique warren]

That is true but honestly I feel like they’re genuinely perfect as-is

[gloomy grove]

whats wrong with it

would appreciate your insight on why thats the case

[arctic cliff]

the color of the "wood" doesnt really mesh that well with the other colors, if yknow what i mean

[hushed hazel]

byeah the issue raised with current miracle matter is that the designs feel like pretty haphazard and disorganized masses of random crystals, fire, branches and leaves that don't really have much to do with each other

as much as i do love how current miracle matter looks

[unique warren]

I can’t rlly agree with that

[arctic cliff]

the colors of CURRENT miracle matter DO mesh well despite being HELL TO SPRITE

[gloomy grove]

cant say i agree with this

[unique warren]

They only had Magnomaly Cannon left to resprite

[buoyant pulsar]

the dark blue doesn't make sense in combination with the white + red + gold

imo

[unique warren]

This is probably the first change I’ve seen that I straight up don’t like

[arctic cliff]

honestly the gold and blue parts could have been replaced with something else

because they feel... idunno counter to what i liked about the mm weapon sprites i liked, which was that they felt like they were "grown" into the weapons they were

[unique warren]

I loved how sort of abstract they are

[arctic cliff]

and by sprites i like i mean Exoblade and the previous Miracle Matter sprite

i cant stress this enough the current one does not work as well as the original

but anyhow

[unique warren]

So you don’t like the current ones?

[dull heart]

hi

[lapis oak]

OMG SUNNY HIIIII

[arctic cliff]

if the blue and gold were just replaced with the continuous wood part then ya i think i might've liked it more

[unique warren]

Hello there

[arctic cliff]

not all of them

[lapis oak]

Mage accs LET'S GO

[dull heart]

no

[gloomy grove]

bro is ecstatic

[buoyant pulsar]

woah hi

[dull heart]

i banned all mage accessories

[lapis oak]

Mage accs ARE NOT DEAD

[dull heart]

they all must be multiclass or perish

[lapis oak]

HOLY SHIT

[grim pecan]

developer ping, prepare to be annihilated

[lapis oak]

@vivid hemlock tupid wake up

[buoyant pulsar]

i will deflect it

[grim pecan]

@still bluff if you would

[lapis oak]

@vivid hemlock 500 Flesh Totems

[unique warren]

Idk, the current miracle matter stuff is such a perfect modernization of exo weapons

[vivid hemlock]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[dull heart]

i disagree in many ways

[wide nova]

b

[dull heart]

miracle matter has a lot of issues imo

[unique warren]

It’s such an abstract mishmash of stuff

[gloomy grove]

miracle matter should be murdered

[wide nova]

miracle murder

[dull heart]

like the style isn't even consistent between weapons

some look very clean cut and some look like exoblade

[grim pecan]

mage accessories will not be in brainstorm, as a note. nor will the megalodon line, they just weren't ready in time. they'll come with the hotfix

[unique warren]

???

[arctic cliff]

yeah

im not disagreeing with the fact that current MM is flawed

[unique warren]

I honestly am

[pulsar cobalt]

look at heavenly gale and cosmic immat next to each other

theyre very different

[unique warren]

Okay I kinda see what you mean

[wide nova]

stanky

[unique warren]

That being said, this is not the answer

[arctic cliff]

I for one initially HATED current exoblade design, mainly because the previous one looked like this

[dull heart]

also the sprites are all way too large in general and look really stupid when held

[dull heart]

i miss this exoblade so much

[unique warren]

It’s like, totally stripping away the identity of the weapons

[dull heart]

fun fact! the exoblade visuals are still buggy after the sprite change to the current one

[unique warren]

I wouldn’t mind reverting back to this style I won’t lie

[arctic cliff]

and the current one still is flawed, but the shape? fine

[dull heart]

it's giving them a new identity

[buoyant pulsar]

good 2 know

better late than never :P

[unique warren]

But why do that

[fallen flame]

From what I've gathered from the discourse talked about the current MM designs, the main criticisms are:

• The set as a whole feels more like what the more basic "elemental" set should've been, and comes across as both underwhelming for such a high tier of weapon and generally lacking a unique identity
• Miracle Matter in the lore is supposed to be extremely unstable and dangerous (Its called "miracle matter" because it's a miracle it even functions) and the current design philosophy doesn't really capture that very well, being pretty standard "rainbow vomit" with some minor nature theming.
• Most of the sprites were done by different artists, so there is also some genuinely discordant sprite work going on between weapons. Heavenly Gale is probably the worst offender, but some people also point out Supernova, Cosmic Immaterializer, Vivid Clarity as coming off as "too clean" compared to the other weapons in the set.
• The weapon sprites are genuinely enormous and like 3X the size they probably should be, specifically the spell tomes and staves.

Personally I still kinda like the current Miracle Matter design even if it definitely has it's problems, and hope they might be able to find some way to retool/rename/restat them as maybe a different weapon set if/when they get replaced. I just think it'd be a shame to see them basically go to waste lol.

[arctic cliff]

I dont think that identity is working out

HOLY SHIT

[dull heart]

keep in mind it was far from finished

[arctic cliff]

is this how others feel when i suddenly drop new Amidias images?

[unique warren]

I think the main problem is that this works really fucking well

[dull heart]

all of this

[still bluff]

wh

[grim pecan]

go on, do a crime

[lapis oak]

500 otags

[unique warren]

This is fucking badass

[gloomy grove]

to each their own i guess

[unique warren]

No, it doesn’t have to be these sprites

Just that idea, idk

[dull heart]

the miracle matter concept goes from "it's a miracle this managed to make something that you can use" to "it's a miracle this managed to make something you can use"

[gloomy grove]

the weapons being massive are pretty ridiculous yeah

[fallen flame]

👍

[amber egret]

miracle matter weapons shouldnt make physical sense to hold methinks

[fallen flame]

I read much and also say very much (sometimes)

[unique warren]

I think this just sells the idea of miracle matter by far the best

[amber egret]

like tryna hold miracle matter book and its pages is the cover

[arctic cliff]

btw i dont mind the weapons being comically large except for the book

[unique warren]

It’s gooey and abstract and barely forms the shape of the weapon

[buoyant pulsar]

calamity fans when they have to read

[dull heart]

i mind weapons being comically large it sucks

[unique warren]

No fun allowed

[dull heart]

calamity had huge sprite size creep happening until more recently

[buoyant pulsar]

vivid clarity deserves a badass sprite and the current one is mid imo

[amber egret]

the bow you hold it by the string and need to pull the bar forward, towards your foe

[arctic cliff]

really big sword? sure! really big book? thatd be annoying to read

[empty yarrow]

Holy Collider swing animation

[dull heart]

the only time i think really big sprites make sense is when you need it that size for gameplay (swords)

[unique warren]

But yeah, I am not on board with these redesigns whatsoever

[amber egret]

what about guns

really big gun

[unique warren]

Something different than what we have now? Sure

What we’ve been teased? Please no

[fallen flame]

I mean I think for some weapons a large sprite size makes sense, like photoviscerator would probably be even worse than it already is if it was shrunk and the beam was shrunk to match

and swords for obvious reasons

but everything else is a bit silly

[empty yarrow]

I miss when the Kingsbane was just called "minigun."

[versed heart]

gun 6x the size of the person carrying it

[dull heart]

i think the miracle saw looks really good and works well

the other teased stuff needs work

[buoyant pulsar]

look i gotta be honest the bow is just okay i guess but the saw looks fucking amazing

[unique warren]

It looks good but it’s not miracle matter to me

[amber egret]

something i dont understand is why was the teased(?) miracle stuff so red

[molten grove]

power fantasy similar to taking a giant gun from a giant mech and using it

[amber egret]

matter is very Green

[fallen flame]

Apparently "evil elemental" or "reverse neon" was the design philosophy for the new Miracle Matter

[pulsar cobalt]

red is one of the main colours of new mm

[vivid hemlock]

the red stuff is energy exhaust

[fallen flame]

I dont know if thats official but someone said that and its look accurate to me lol

[unique warren]

Like don’t get me wrong it’s a great design but it is not Miracle Matter

[dull heart]

the idea behind it is that miracle matter is a"bleeding" exo prism from being run in overdrive

[buoyant pulsar]

plus they'll probably change miracle blight to be red

[amber egret]

do we have a sprite of red miracle matter

[dull heart]

no

[amber egret]

hm.

wouldnt it like

[hushed hazel]

they are red because ** they want to Kill you**

[amber egret]

Explode

[dull heart]

Miracle Matter is a miracle that you managed to wield it without exploding

that's the entire idea

[arctic cliff]

i think i much prefered miracle matter when it was a weird thing that grew into awesome weaponry

[unique warren]

Well, I hope these changes don’t happen very soon cause I’m not excited for it. And I’m usually on board with the stuff y’all are doing rn.

[arctic cliff]

thats really cool ngl

[amber egret]

kinda Truth

[dull heart]

draedon hadn't even figured out how to make miracle matter work

[unique warren]

Truth nuke

[dull heart]

this imo is much better suited for Elemental

[pulsar cobalt]

i really dont wanna be rude but like

[fallen flame]

Just make the current MM weapons the new elemental set

[dull heart]

i'd like to see Elemental look more organic grown stuff

[arctic cliff]

Isn't the new MM set supposed to be an Elemental upgrade?

[fallen flame]

everyone will be happy

[dull heart]

and then miracle matter just be different

[pulsar cobalt]

this sounds like one of those reddit ass comments that are like "this is NOT my game hur dur i hate change"

[unique warren]

But I’m being rude? Yeah my bad

[amber egret]

i like its concept of tossing stuff into it and it warping the material so thoroughly that it does That

[fallen flame]

Elemental set gets a rework that requires 0 new effort lol

[unique warren]

I probably could have worded that better

[dull heart]

upgrades do not need to look the same at all

[amber egret]

aaaeeehhh.

eeeeh.

they have to be at least cohesive

[gloomy grove]

you dont get it doze, i want EVERYTHING to look the same

[dull heart]

you can't tell me that miracle matter looks anything like Terra set

[unique warren]

If anything I think Elemental weapons are the weak point rather than MM

[dull heart]

but it's an upgrade of terra set

[dull heart]

it's a dual issue

elemental and MM both

[arctic cliff]

Yet that is part of the reason to make MM more like... upgrades to Elemental???

[amber egret]

if i showed you the plant gun and then upgraded it into the blizzard gun

[unique warren]

It really isn’t

[empty yarrow]

I want things to look the same... but different

[arctic cliff]

ALSO again, current MM is still distinct enough from elemental, at least from Ark of the Elements's design

[unique warren]

The issue with MM currently is execution, not idea

[dull heart]

the issue is that elemental and mm share a lot of similaries (namely that most of their identity is rainbow color vomit)

considering elemental is a Terra upgrade, it being a grown weapon set resembling current MM would make sense

[arctic cliff]

wasnt new mm colors planned to be rainbow shifting

[dull heart]

no

[amber egret]

i gotta get on my pc to roughly draw my mental interpretation of Elemental v. Miracle

[empty yarrow]

Elemental Rainbow

Also my favorite element of all:

[arctic cliff]

yeah also current MM rainbow is still clearly distinct from Elemental rainbow

[dull heart]

oh also look at the saw - it is also still a "grown" weapon

[unique warren]

I just can’t imagine MM being anything other than white and rainbow. Just doesn’t work.

[pulsar cobalt]

galactica singularity somehow surviving everything

🔥

[dull heart]

well chances are you won't have to imagine it eventually

[arctic cliff]

honestly, it doesnt feel grown enough

[dull heart]

there's a very high chance it changes

[amber egret]

but to type it; elemental is able to be made into many different things by being naturally maluable, while miracle naturally assumes specific shapes with specific ingredients

[unique warren]

Well, is what it is I guess

Can’t have everything

[dull heart]

i don't think any of the art team is satisfied with miracle matter

or most of the rest of the dev team either

[unique warren]

That’s actually crazy

[amber egret]

like uhhhh, yknow sound waves with sand

like that

[fallen flame]

I remember someone at some point unironically saying that if the current MM weapons had their colors shifted from rainbow to be red/orange specifically, they actually might fit in as some providence drops, and I kinda see their point lol

[dull heart]

yes

[unique warren]

These two really were just perfect

[arctic cliff]

shush those are some crusty images

gimme a sec

[unique warren]

Yeah idk I downloaded them from the wiki

Idk why they so crusty

[amber egret]

the blade is pretty cool but the bow is just a bit

idk

[arctic cliff]

these are better

[pulsar cobalt]

wait hold on i need to try this

[amber egret]

something i dont like about the bow

[unique warren]

I think the bow is so unique

[arctic cliff]

also GODD

[dull heart]

I do like that miracle matter sprite way more than current

Same with exoblade

[arctic cliff]

i still dont get people who claim current sprite is objectively better than that

[amber egret]

its really unique but also like

[dull heart]

I don't love heavenly gale

[unique warren]

WHY DID WE EVER PASS UP THIS STYLE 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[amber egret]

wait its not the cube

[arctic cliff]

its just... good...

[amber egret]

what is it rn

[arctic cliff]

its perfect

[unique warren]

Can we not just go back

[arctic cliff]

and it of course had the curse of 22

[unique warren]

Can we not just make stuff in this style 😭

[amber egret]

whats miracle matter current sprite

[lapis oak]

these were literally unfinished concepts the artists did not like those being in the game at all

[empty yarrow]

My favorite part of current Miracle Matter

[unique warren]

Didn’t stop them from being fucking amazing

[dull heart]

it's so funny that even those examples look so different

[vivid hemlock]

those sprites were made by an artist who left the dev team because someone implemented them too early and they didnt like working with the old design of miracle matter

[unique warren]

Yeah but like, to that kinda of design philosophy

[arctic cliff]

friendly reminder to thank god for fables

[unique warren]

Instead of making whatever they’re cooking up now

[empty yarrow]

Magnomaly Cannon out there starving while all his friends took steroids

[lapis oak]

if what Tobias said is true, Inanis literally quitted because of MM

[amber egret]

not a fan of either sprite to be honest

[fallen flame]

I mean to be fair the magnomaly cannon did have a resprite planned to bring it up to par

that will sadly never see the light of day lol

[deft lily]

burp

[buoyant pulsar]

i like the idea of elemental being more untamed and wild, then miracle matter being a more honed but still unstable upgrade of it. mm in general should be a followup on elemental's design rather than something completely new

[unique warren]

It’s just straight up not MM at all, not a semblance of what it was

[mystic eagle]

Who'se this God person I've been hearing about so much? I swear he sponsors like everyone

[fallen flame]

🤔

[empty yarrow]

Peak

[arctic cliff]

And BESIDES, i dont think you shouldnt just take away a cool element of something and just shift it to something else for the hell of it

[lapis oak]

why do they need to be?

[empty yarrow]

Now THIS is a Calamity

[arctic cliff]

desert prowler and snow ruffian momento

[unique warren]

I feel like this probably does stem from a disconnect between the devs and fanbase ngl

[lapis oak]

it feels MM enough or not for you doesn't mean it doesn't feel MM for others

[misty wren]

what determines something feeling like miracle matter

[lapis oak]

you know how much the current MM designs being shit on

[buoyant pulsar]

imo this is the best current mm sprite

crunchy in all the right ways

[unique warren]

Not even that

[hot wadi]

The day we find out that Draedon finds out how to make miracle matter before we do is the day we're cooked

[amber egret]

eeeeehh.

wheres vivid clarity? someone pull that up

[unique warren]

People like old MM sprites, generally

[buoyant pulsar]

i reaaaaally don't like current vivid clarity

[unique warren]

I seem to see, at least

[hot wadi]

Alternatively I want to give bro the blueprints

[silk terrace]

will calamity be compatible with the upd tmr

[amber egret]

no

[empty yarrow]

I mean... it worked before, overhauling things isn't bad imo

[fallen flame]

Yeah but have you guys considered that Miracle Matter weapons in general don't matter because they are available for exactly one boss before being rendered instantly obsolete by shadowspec gear 😇

[amber egret]

its so Smooth.

[silk terrace]

ok

[amber egret]

i like the idea of it but its so smooth

[vivid hemlock]

i hate this thing

[pulsar cobalt]

read pins

[unique warren]

Yeah but this actually does keep the core design intact, if you look

[buoyant pulsar]

looks stable to me

[arctic cliff]

@unique warren MM has flaws. The sprites have inconsistent artstyles, most of the best ones were removed due to 22-related dev drama, and some of the new ones were just... EHHHH

[buoyant pulsar]

too stable and clean to be mm

[unique warren]

Oh for sure

[pulsar cobalt]

hey guys this is real supernova sprite

[hot wadi]

It takes roughly 3 months to port 1.4.5 to Tmodloader and it'll take even longer for the modders to adjust the code accordingly

[unique warren]

But the issue isn’t the concept

[fallen flame]

Also have you considered that reworking current miracle matter will require the removal of the supernova

[buoyant pulsar]

oh sorry i thought u were replying to vivid clarity lol

[unique warren]

It’s the execution

[arctic cliff]

this isnt about MM, its about how much of a glow up that Ark got

[silk terrace]

so i dont gotta worry abt my mods being bugged tmr

[buoyant pulsar]

i replied to the wrong one :P

[hot wadi]

Nah
Your 1.4.4 Vanilla worlds, on the other hand...

[lapis oak]

?

[unique warren]

MM is currently executed poorly, it isn’t a reflection of bad ideas. The idea can (and in the past, has) been done extremely well.

[lapis oak]

what do you even mean by this

[buoyant pulsar]

????????????

[pulsar cobalt]

the ones that were already reworked wont be touched gameplay wise

[arctic cliff]

Arks's literally a "I loved the original, but damn is this redo amazing"

[empty yarrow]

I'm probably the only person here who actually likes the current MM

Like I don't mind seeing them be overhauled, but I kinda like them

[hot wadi]

You and 1 other ig

[fallen flame]

I mean that the supernova is a cool ass weapon that will likely be forced to go the way of the dodo if the entire set gets reworked lol

[arctic cliff]

I mean, I think current Exoblade could be improved, but i do agree that it is still rn cool

[buoyant pulsar]

original ark is the most mid weapon design im not even gonna lie

[arctic cliff]

DOUBT

[buoyant pulsar]

like mechanically

[lapis oak]

no they won't be

[arctic cliff]

it'll probably just get a resprite

[empty yarrow]

I like the screewy book

[hot wadi]

It gotta be crispier so it fits the vanilla style better

[empty yarrow]

And the funky blade

[buoyant pulsar]

what even is ts

[vivid hemlock]

why is it so large

[vestal osprey]

Has alot of pages

[arctic cliff]

oh thats a hot take wow (i mean as a sprite, its not terrible but as a Terraria spell tome meant to be held, it just is wrong)

[empty yarrow]

No idea, but I like it

[buoyant pulsar]

why would this even be the case at all

[vivid hemlock]

like it doesnt feel like a spell tome its just made to be in the shape of a book

[unique warren]

I think, when redesigning an iconic item, you have to keep the idea intact. The AotC redesign did, the new MM weapons don’t.

[misty wren]

because i can assure you theres plenty of old shit that used to be in the mod thats nowhere near what it currently is. something "feeling like [x]" doesnt mean it doesnt feel like that, it means you're used to one way and theres a different way being done/that has been done

part of why ive begun to hate the "it doesnt feel like [x]" argument, [x]'s feeling is entirely dependant on an individuals perception

[empty yarrow]

Not enough to protest it being killed, but I like it

[arctic cliff]

It's also that the old Ark was... mechanically REALLY simple

[lapis oak]

lol

[vestal osprey]

They're redesigning all the miracle matter weapons and it also seems they are ditching the rainbow theme

[unique warren]

A shame, yeah

[buoyant pulsar]

and pretty bad too like it just wasn't even a melee weapon

design wise not meta

[arctic cliff]

the mechanic was literally "Fire five billion projectiles all at once, with a lot of that being homing"
and also a weird biome mechanic that adds a stat bonus but not as interesting as current biome blade"

[pulsar cobalt]

:p

[arctic cliff]

current Ark is mechanically INTERESTING

[buoyant pulsar]

yes

and not a mage weapon

[empty yarrow]

Beeg Book

[fallen flame]

I mean considering that the Magnomaly cannon's "rework" is a sawblade launcher, idk I just kinda assumed that most (if not all) of the current MM weapons would be similarly changed completely, whether that be in spritework, weapons, or abilities

[misty wren]

some might say the original desert scourge sprite doesnt feel like desert scourge, but others might say the current desert scourge sprite doesnt feel like desert scourge. it all depends on what you're used to

[fallen flame]

I mean Im hope im wrong lol

[arctic cliff]

it is FUN to click right, parry something, and get boosted attacks

[empty yarrow]

Carry it like a backpack

[arctic cliff]

it gives you DOPAMINE for not just holding M1

[unique warren]

A real shame that the original MM concept is going the way of the dodo, but shit happens I guess. Is what it is :/

[buoyant pulsar]

no thats because magnomaly is bad and sawblades are cooler. plus surge driver is being reworked to have an endgame launcher

[arctic cliff]

and that is why Ark rework WORKED

[vestal osprey]

Desert scourge used to be blue

That looks so alien to me now

[lapis oak]

you have to considered the fact that Magnomaly hasn't been touched since Stone Age

[pulsar cobalt]

its being changed because its previous upgrades got changed too

[misty wren]

it used to be red

[vivid hemlock]

its the only one that didnt have an elemental counterpart and the superradiant slaughterer and sawblades are just more interesting than adding a separate elemental launcher

[vestal osprey]

They're just straight up replacing it

[buoyant pulsar]

current ds suuuuux so it 'not feeling like ds' is pretty exciting to me personally

[unique warren]

No hate to the devs or the sprite artists of course, simply a difference of opinion, but still a shame for me.

[lapis oak]

like why would they even rework Supernova again it literally just got one recently

[fallen flame]

I mean it was going to be touched up before they decided to more or less scrap it lol

https://vxtwitter.com/KMW_PFace/status/1799476385125413043

[unique warren]

Just gotta thug it out lol

[lapis oak]

and Magnomaly is ancient artifact

[dull heart]

The magnonaly rework being a saw is because Elemental Blaster b came a saw

[lapis oak]

hasn't been touched at all

[empty yarrow]

Don't worry little Scourge, I still think your sprite is cool :(

[vestal osprey]

I dont see supernova rework but will probably get a new sprite

[fallen flame]

Ah, I didnt know that was the specific reason

[buoyant pulsar]

the spriter in question

[misty wren]

i dont mean the new sprite for sso, i mean comparing the first desert scourge sprite to the one that is currently in the mod

[unique warren]

But godddd that really does suck, ugh.

[fallen flame]

Though you did just say earlier that upgrades dont have to be similar at all

[buoyant pulsar]

did i even read ur message guys am i slow

[frail owl]

meow

where's astrum deus?

[buoyant pulsar]

in space

[empty yarrow]

The spriter was a terrible person yeah, but I still like the sprite

[vestal osprey]

The next desert scourge will maybe be the final new sprite

[hot wadi]

There's a new Desert Scourge sprite?

[buoyant pulsar]

lmao

[pulsar cobalt]

i think you mean concept artist

[unique warren]

God, I really was having a lot of fun with the new additions to the mod until I saw the MM stuff

[lapis oak]

spriter was HPU

[vivid hemlock]

heart sprited current ds, bird made the concept art

[buoyant pulsar]

i have literally no idea what is happening around me at any point in time i exist solely on misinformation and the present moment

[arctic cliff]

Anyhow, compare upcoming MM to that.

A lot of the changes are just sprites more than anything. At least one is getting reworked completely into a Sawblade upgrade. I doubt Exoblade is going to get a massive rework since rn it's "okay", and Supernova? Absolutely not, I sincerely doubt the devs are going to do anything other than changing the visuals and sprite to match the set

Additionally, the current design is ACTUALLY unique enough on its own. Does it need changing? Yeah, its too annoying for devs to wrangle so they have to change it. But they're not just merely shifting colors and designs, no they're just tossing the entire thing aside in favor of something else.

[unique warren]

Exaaaaactly

[empty yarrow]

Oh yeah I forgot Heart was the spriter

[buoyant pulsar]

stretchy sword pmo i do nooooooot like current exoblade mechanically

[empty yarrow]

I was thinking the concept artist, I still like the design and sprite despite them being awful

[arctic cliff]

anyhow this discourse is never going to end until i start coming up with my own MM designs, and thats never because THE EDUCATION SYSTEM

[misty wren]

these 2 sprites dont feel the same but whichever one feels like its "desert scourge" is entirely dependant on the player/person viewing the sprite and their subjective experiences with the mod

[vestal osprey]

That second one is straight up the dune splicer

[unique warren]

It’s really just a case of the exo weapons being iconic as shit

[arctic cliff]

I mean, but it is mechanically fineeee. YEah it honestly should be more interesting than what it is currently but yeah

[frail owl]

hi there desert sisyphus

[buoyant pulsar]

plus the little projectiles come out early which looks bad

[arctic cliff]

agreed tho it shouldnt be stretching like that

[unique warren]

And i just kinda can’t seem to find anything positive to say about where they’re going

[fallen flame]

I mean I also would find it hard to believe that they would completely change the weapon sprites for the new sets but keep the actual attack sprites/animations the same. Many of the current attacks are either pure white or keep with the current "rainbow" theme. I guess they could go through and recolor the attack sprites but I don't think I've ever seen them do that before

[versed heart]

I'm interested to see "Lizard" Desert Scourge, even if the current design and sprite's still pretty good
Also happens to lower the amount of generic worm bosses and be less relevant to a bad person, so those are good bonuses

[arctic cliff]

i dont know why none of the devs have just bothered to repeat Ark's swing animations

[misty wren]

because ark code is a fucking nightmare

[arctic cliff]

I meant that in a style-like manner

[unique warren]

I think it’s a huge shame we couldn’t have just gotten new and improved versions of the white and rainbow MM weapons.

[arctic cliff]

NOT LITERALLY

[buoyant pulsar]

this is a random thing but elliptical slashes are much better than circular ones imo (murasama style vs hellkite rework style for examples)

[misty wren]

sometimes iterations on the same design dont fit the devs furthered vision

[unique warren]

But again, whatever, I’m mostly talking here cause that’s kinda got me upset

[buoyant pulsar]

for one they look better, for two they take more finesse and you have to aim more precisely to actually hit the boss instead of just having ur mouse in the general 180 degree field of view from them

[lapis oak]

well then now you'll see, because there's no reasons to rework a recently reworked weapons again just because of resprites especially when it's something well received like Supernova

[pulsar cobalt]

ngl i dont think ud like a new and improved version of the white and rainbow versions either cuz theyd also most likely be nothing like what we have now

[unique warren]

I would probably prefer it

[misty wren]

only iterating and never redesigning generally isnt a great thing for a project like a terraria mod, especially one as big and old as calamity, to do

[unique warren]

It’s still visually identifiable as a MM weapon

[lapis oak]

VFX changes? yea likely. Reworks? hell naw

[buoyant pulsar]

@dull heart is devils devastation getting resprited btw or is it staying as the current one

[misty wren]

except what is visually identifiable as a miracle matter weapon entirely depends on what you're more used to

[arctic cliff]

the thing is, does it need to be literally entirely be thrown out?

Or does it just need to not have flames and have a color shift?

[vestal osprey]

What im wondering is are the new miracle mstter designs getting the same palate as the exo saw blade or reach one being unique

[lapis oak]

unique

think of Elemental set

[arctic cliff]

Or more importantly, is the replacement worthwhile? do you need to reiterate on that?

[unique warren]

Except white and rainbow has been what MM weapons have been for years

[arctic cliff]

Also, i gotta say the fact that its as controversial as it is here should probably clue you in that there should be changes

[misty wren]

when i think of desert scourge i still think of it as this but the new one is also completely visually identifiable as desert scourge

i simply havent gotten used to the new one being desert scourge

[arctic cliff]

the fact that a particular DoG sprite was still set in stone to be added to Calamity despite all of its flaws is so... strange

[vivid hemlock]

current miracle matter is white??

[arctic cliff]

i get it but yeah

[empty yarrow]

This is the best Exo Blade sprite and all future MM weapons should be adapted accordingly

[arctic cliff]

hmmm

HMMMMMM

i get that you're joking but

[unique warren]

Again, to reiterate, I think the current MM weapons have an issue of somewhat poor implementation/execution, not an issue of what the core design is.

[arctic cliff]

hang on

this isnt a bad design, at least for the time

[misty wren]

realistically miracle matters visual identity isnt set in stone

[arctic cliff]

mayhap

MAYHAP

[misty wren]

it can easily be changed

because visual identity is not a measure of the past, it is a measure of the present

[unique warren]

Okay but the past does kinda matter lol

[misty wren]

only if you wish to shackle yourself to it for the vague notion of iconography

[lapis oak]

Miracle Matter will now be all neon green because that's what I think Miracle Matter should be and it feels Miracle Matter enough

[pulsar cobalt]

kiri for dev 2026

[lapis oak]

you see how redundant this is?

[empty yarrow]

I'll just say that changing a Weapon line's visual identity ain't always for the worse even if they've been rocking it for a long time

[unique warren]

This is really the most I can say on the topic. Not on board with where it’s going at all.

[lapis oak]

Miracle Matter can means so many things

it's literally just a name

[vivid hemlock]

nostalgia is not a great measure of why a thing should be kept, especially if its just poorly made or thought out

[arctic cliff]

which is why Murasama should be redesigned to not literally be the funny red lightning katana from Metal Gear Rising Revegane

[empty yarrow]

Like

[unique warren]

Notice how it’s still visually identifiable as an elemental weapon?

[lapis oak]

art creativity

[misty wren]

its visually identifiable as an elemental weapon because you've gotten used to it being an elemental weapon

[arctic cliff]

Calamity's most iconic weapon should not be a literal reference to another game, it should be iconic on its OWN MERITS

[misty wren]

that is why its visually identifiable as elemental

[hollow harness]

[unique warren]

No, I have felt that way from the beginning

[empty yarrow]

What is a Miracle Matter

If you forget what it looks like currently

[unique warren]

It’s visually identifiable as an elemental weapon because it carries over aspects of its previous design

[arctic cliff]

no its because its a good damn sprite

[hollow harness]

that's because the item is actually ibanpilled

[arctic cliff]

its just good

[frail owl]

hi there samus from fargo

[empty yarrow]

Do you invision them as exaclty what they currently are?

[frail owl]

[unique warren]

Hello there

[unique warren]

Not exactly, but the same core idea yes

[amber egret]

holy shit its john wires

[arctic cliff]

it doesnt matter if its like the previous Elemental design, its so good that it becomes the basis for a better set design

New MM AINT IT

[frail owl]

is there any wires for me to munch on

[unique warren]

Truth nuke

[hollow harness]

[pulsar cobalt]

the only reason ark can be seen as "recognisable" as elemental set is because it uses a colour old elemental also uses. however, you must remember that said colour in both old elemental and ark only exist because they are intended to be homages to the colour of lunar fragments

[hollow harness]

there are wires at blackrock hq electricity panels

[pulsar cobalt]

everything else about arks design was entirely unique to itself

[hollow harness]

you should eat them I think

[frail owl]

thank you

[unique warren]

Still ends up being that way though, doesn’t it?

[arctic cliff]

im only half-joking, btw

[pulsar cobalt]

you can even use this same reasoning for miracle matter and having rainbow colours

[arctic cliff]

ehhh

its not literally rainbow

[unique warren]

I wouldn’t probably be joking here but yeah

[lapis oak]

because Iban wanted it that way not because it's better or worse!!!

omg people

[misty wren]

the visual identity of old and new elemental is vastly different

[empty yarrow]

(I mean it is better, but I get what you mean)

[unique warren]

It’s different but reminiscent of it

[arctic cliff]

are there similarities between the two set designs? yea

but the reason people are fine with the new one is because its, well, good

[lapis oak]

(kill you in the dark alley)

[unique warren]

Okay maybe this will illustrate how I feel better

[pulsar cobalt]

yea, same way ark doesnt have every colour old elemental has and instead picks a few which are relevant

[arctic cliff]

the new one for MM, as you've seen here, is quite the topic of tension rn

[unique warren]

I don’t think the WIP for the MM saw even looks like a good execution of the idea of MM

From a lore perspective

[misty wren]

what is the "idea" of miracle matter

[unique warren]

From a lore perspective

[pulsar cobalt]

wats this supposed lore perspective

[misty wren]

in lore its something you made by shoving a bunch of random shit together

[hollow harness]

that one thorium crafting materials where it has all ore bars of the game

[unique warren]

This would be it, yes

I don’t think the WIP sprites we’ve seen do that as well as the current ones

[misty wren]

the current ones dont do that well

like

just in general

[lapis oak]

the idea of something called "Miracle Matter" must be what currently is and not something else is extremely narrow-minded

Miracle Matter!

it's Miracle

[unique warren]

Miracle Matter is pretty solidly defined in lore though right

[lapis oak]

can be so many things!

[misty wren]

miracle matter is naught but a name and a name can be reattributed

[vivid hemlock]

old miracle matter is literally just: grey metal thing, random fire inclusion, pink root thing, green, cyan, and orange crystal, and a 50/50 chance of either being a very messily shaped weapon or smooth shape

[unique warren]

Well the new attribution of it doesn’t work well

Just cause it can be changed doesn’t mean it should

[vivid hemlock]

these dont make any sense and have no defined lore

[misty wren]

a bunch of random shit being thrown together doesnt mean the sprites also have to be a bunch of random shit thrown together

[unique warren]

It doesn’t mean it can’t be that

[vivid hemlock]

the crystals are the only part that are connected to the actual thing miracle matter is made of (exo prisms) and thats giving it undeserved credit

[empty yarrow]

I mean, the only thing we get its that its an unstable force that breaks down whatever you infuse with it to make it stronger

I can see a bit of that in the saw design (Not much the bow)

[deft lily]

miracle matter

more like

tragedy matter

[hollow harness]

?

[empty yarrow]

It looks unstable and aggressive, like its bleeding the very materials you infused with it

[lapis oak]

it should be changed that's why it's being changed in the first place because the current designs are worthless in the designer's perspectives and visions

[arctic cliff]

ya

[orchid finch]

I mean Draedon does literally mock the player for there is nothing miraculous in the material

[deft lily]

see exactly

[empty yarrow]

Currently its just like, chromatic plant with rainbow-esque crystals

[unique warren]

Well, they’re not doing it very well, imo

[lapis oak]

idk man

[unique warren]

No hate to them, but I can’t agree with the direction it’s going

[lapis oak]

it's really well received

[unique warren]

It’s high quality work, but I don’t think it’s what I’ll like

[pulsar cobalt]

is it even rainbow i swear its only like green and red and maybe blue if ur lucky

[arctic cliff]

MM should do the best parts of previous Exoblade, whilst fitting with the grown aspect that current Exoblade does fine with

[misty wren]

can you not agree with the direction or are you too hard set in your preconcieved notion of what miracle matter "is" to accept a full redo

[unique warren]

Haven’t y’all been actively calling this controversial

[lapis oak]

absolutely not

[empty yarrow]

Elemental Colored (I guess)

[arctic cliff]

its green, teal, blue color, and red

[lapis oak]

almost everyone loves the new designs

[empty yarrow]

Not even that cause there's no purple

[vestal osprey]

Weve only seen 1 new miracle matter design

[empty yarrow]

2

[unique warren]

People have def been calling it controversial but sure

[empty yarrow]

Bow and Saw

[arctic cliff]

actually yknow what.
this is the colors of MM as of now

[vivid hemlock]

the people opposed to new mm are just very vocal about it

[arctic cliff]

what are you talking about no

[lapis oak]

can you say who said that exactly

[unique warren]

Overdone did

[lapis oak]

ok

[misty wren]

overdone just says shit

[hollow harness]

you know it kinda reminds me of the disk refragmentation windows tool for some reason

[lapis oak]

1 person that is arguing just for the sake of arguing

[rich ginkgo]

like, the rainbow unicorn vomit..? absolutely not

[unique warren]

Dude everyone says shit

[unique warren]

That kinda just seems like a rude way to discredit their argument

[empty yarrow]

I wouldn't go that far imo

[vestal osprey]

No the newer ones in the making

[hollow harness]

Diogenes, Aristotle, Plato enter in a bar

[rich ginkgo]

like just because it’s a high quality nice looking sprite doesnt mean it makes sense or looks good when looking at the full picture

[arctic cliff]

tobias got UNNECESSARILY flogged on for having a wip Exoblade sprite get accidentally shown

because of how it looked

[lapis oak]

no u tupid we're talking about Tobias' versions

[empty yarrow]

Even I who grew to finding it cool thought it looked weird at first

[rich ginkgo]

oh yeah what’s wrong with that

it’s a big improvement

[vivid hemlock]

no it was dia's interpretation of his design and they were pretty similar

[arctic cliff]

yeah but iirc there was some very weird drama with that

[rich ginkgo]

well i heard tobias was bullied in general

so idk

[empty yarrow]

Its a very drastic change so its not crazy that not everyone is content with it

[misty wren]

theres always drama around an exo blade sprite

[unique warren]

Also why does this matter

[arctic cliff]

iirc tobias stopped sharing a lot of his art after a MM-related sprite got criticized so yea

[unique warren]

I don’t like it, I never said other people don’t

[hard hearth]

exopickaxe sorry i mean exoblade

[arctic cliff]

@misty wren @lapis oak which is to say, new MM reception Is def a little mixed

[rich ginkgo]

i liked tobias he was awesome

what a shame

[hard hearth]

😁