calamity-update-talk

[blazing field]

happens

[modern grove]

gonna teach every fish in the world martial arts so that they can defend themselves in case this happens

[zealous saddle]

oh well

[blazing field]

i think if you teach catfish martial arts we're fucked

[thick parrot]

this but with Duke Fishron

suplex it

[blazing field]

have you seen how big osme of those fuckers get

wels catfish with martial arts

humanity is doomed

[thick parrot]

it's joever

I remember in my first terraria playthrough with a group of friends I used to just drink the fishing potions and just farm up crates for a while

[pulsar cobalt]

they removed lesser restoration potion and biome moulds

[thick parrot]

got a good stockpile of them and then spam opened

[modern grove]

is it me who imagines duke having a personality kinda similar to groal the great

[wise bolt]

i can see it..

[plush carbon]

Calamitys bizzare users

[high scaffold]

Isnt it funny that calamity encountered a similar fishing issue to vanila?

[thick parrot]

random idea I just had

imagine if you could fish ??? up

would be funny

[modern grove]

i still want to redesign duke to look more duke-y and sapient

and give groal vibes

[high scaffold]

First vanila only had pre hm crates and people were fishing up tons of them to open in hm and get ores quickly
So vanila added hm crates to prevent that

And now calamity updates early hm ore progression but people were cheesing it with crates again

But honestly I think crates were a bit overnerfed

[halcyon seal]

CONFIRMED: Anahita loves eating worms

[high scaffold]

Fishing is basicaly useless in post ml

[thick parrot]

hopefully they will make fishing a bit better

the nerf was definitely too heavy

[velvet egret]

Unless ur a builder who doesn't have Fargo's installed

[azure oak]

add new blood moon fishing stuff in post-ml

[hollow harness]

xerocodile upgrade

[azure oak]

fish up ravager

[desert garnet]

They know that

They will be buffed

And fishing will be more interesting with cool minigames

[hushed hazel]

what did the user mean by this

[modern grove]

fishing underground has 40% chance of summoning scal (she was hiding in the lake you were fishing in

[high scaffold]

Will celestial onion be usefull in master in 2.1?

[hollow harness]

maybe, you could make celestial onion soup with it

or you know you could eat it raw like that

[summer shore]

God forbid a girl take a bath

[thick parrot]

harvest the moon lord for food

[modern grove]

couldnt you rework celestial onion so that it has some interaction with loadouts,

[thick parrot]

that'd be such a scare

[hollow harness]

Multiply every stat change by 1.15x

[thick parrot]

just chilling and fishing and then boom

[arctic patrol]

[thick parrot]

S.Cal

[arctic patrol]

i know what i am picking

[summer shore]

You get an 8th slot ONLY if you swap loadouts every 20 seconds

[thick parrot]

inb4 it makes you swap loadouts

swaps it for you

[modern grove]

whipstacking if it was mid

[hollow harness]

[high scaffold]

Arsenal weapons go longer consume charge

[amber furnace]

ravager mentioned

[fast vessel]

So when it says the alcohols increase debuff damage, how much is it by? 2x, 4x?

[fathom girder]

It'll probably be listed when it releases, if the values aren't there rn

for reference, though, hellfire treads is a 1.5x multiplier? 2x multi? something like that

[high scaffold]

Does doc already have alcohol change chart?

[tribal isle]

so thats just zerg if you're playing melee?

[fast vessel]

Yeah

[fast vessel]

It’s in spoilers

[high scaffold]

Well no shit

[valid crypt]

Kill zerg kill zerg kill zerg please devs kill it

[fast vessel]

I feel like grape beer is gonna be insane. Even if you couldn’t crit at all, significantly increasing your number of hits will add a lot of DPS.

[high scaffold]

It is in doc

[amber furnace]

why

[high scaffold]

But not kiris cool table

[fast vessel]

“Cause it’s OP”

• the devs after nerfing literally anything that makes the game less grindy

[valid crypt]

Nukes any reason for mobs to have any level of drop rates
If bloody mary is zerg but makes it hard ti deal with the horde then thats just it but more balanced

[valid crypt]

If you want that level of spawnrate with no downside go install fargos

[amber furnace]

fair

[high scaffold]

Mary only nerfs pierce, not aoe

[fast vessel]

Spawn rates and drop rates literally don’t affect difficulty at all. It just affects how long a playthrough takes, which is just annoying more than anything.

[versed heart]

Okay, well, I'm way late, BUT... I like Corekeeper fishing (when you have the minigame, without that it's basically lame Terraria/Minecraft style fishing)
The minigame's not basically the same as the Stardew Valley one, either

[valid crypt]

Just go install fargos then if zerg does get removed its not that deep

[fast vessel]

Fair point.

[pseudo vector]

[mystic eagle]

Sometimes player engagement is more interesting than having 1 solution be the best to everything

[hushed hazel]

that's the point i think yes

they want you to spend more time doing things that aren't boss fights

[high scaffold]

Terraria players when the game isnt just bossrush

[pseudo vector]

as much as the main appeal of calamity is likely its bosses, it has so much more content beyond that

[fast vessel]

Honestly I’m probably just gonna start playing journey mode. Everything in calamity still works with it, right?

[hushed hazel]

yes

[valid crypt]

P sure yeah

Dont see why it wouldnt

[pseudo vector]

obviously you won't get any of the boss ai changes that happen on rev+

[fast vessel]

Why not?

[hushed hazel]

no you still can

[stark pond]

crank it to expert and then hit the difficulty changer can do that

[mystic eagle]

You can get Rev on Journey by setting the world to expert via the difficulty changer

[hushed hazel]

you can set the difficulty to anything in journey

[pseudo vector]

oh

i didn't know that lmao

[hushed hazel]

my preferred playthrough style is journey expert

[stark pond]

missed out on journey mode 🥀

[versed heart]

Journey would be much lamer without that difficulty slider tbh

[hushed hazel]

it would

[fast vessel]

Will the new difficulties be set in world creation or is difficulty selector? I know the way it used to work is they stack rn, but apparently they’re just order directly in the upcoming update.

[hushed hazel]

but fortunately relogic is based and blessed us with journey without locking it to easy mode

[pseudo vector]

i never played journey very much honestly

[versed heart]

I remember I used to do basically all my gameplay on Journey

[high scaffold]

Journey is basicaly QoL mods if they were a difficulty

[valid crypt]

Genuinely been thinking of just
Going to permanently use journeymode while playing and utilising the power of self control to not ruin fun

[pseudo vector]

i typically just play rev+

usually rev since i'm not too fond of death in its current state

that's something we're definitely gonna fix tho

[stark pond]

if anything journey mode is much better than installing a cheat mod for a single purpose

(item duping)

(and immortality)

[high scaffold]

Speaking of QoL, veinminer stinks if its available from start without extra expenses

[fast vessel]

That’s why I’m gonna do it. My main playthrough buddy and I work full time so we use a lot of QoL to make playthroughs managable in a reasonable time, so we figured we may as well just do journey.

[high scaffold]

I eventually gonna drop all but a few QoL features

And even then Ill try making them as balanced as possible

[stark pond]

given this is not minecraft where you can't take extra durability or hunger as they're not exist i don't think there's a way

like

[high scaffold]

Veinminer accessory with its own charge

[stark pond]

i can think of hurting the player or losing a small amount of ore

[versed heart]

Well, there's definitely a large variety of ways, just the good/decent ones aren't as obvious

[stark pond]

that probably works but it's no longer from start

[high scaffold]

Either something like mana or ammo for ranger

[stark pond]

enlighten me

[fast vessel]

Bro is upset people don’t spent an extra 30 seconds to mine a vein instead of continuing on with the run.

[versed heart]

It could do something dumb like decrease max life or use coins, but those aren't good

[stark pond]

right?

[versed heart]

It could have basically any tradeoff, and aside from quality or difficulty of implementing said tradeoff there's nothing stopping that

[high scaffold]

Maybe you also use a mod that gives you all gear for the next boss upon defeating one?

To save time

[summer shore]

comparing that to veinminer is crazy

[stark pond]

furthermore for a modded playthrough or just say calamity, mining for ores is like 8% of the game, most of which is occupied in preHM to earlyHM

[fast vessel]

Holy extrapolation.

I bet bro is upset with calamity infinite use summons too

Just go play vanilla if you hate methods to reduce grinding.

Or just don’t use them

It’s free choice

[stark pond]

it's big enough for a portion of the game but not too big

[high scaffold]

Mining is a change of pace that can still encourage some exploration in late and end game

[polar tide]

anyone in this thread smoke weed

[summer shore]

Counterpoint. funny tilebreaking sounds tickle my brain

And besides

It's not like you DON'T explore with veinminer

[fast vessel]

Yeah, it does. I explore mining for chests, extractinator, etc. you don’t need to make mining a vein take 5 minutes. In fact, that’s why people would rather fish than mine. It’s easier and less time consuming.

[summer shore]

You still go up there and mine that shit you don't like grab it from narnia or something

[high scaffold]

Who tf mines a single vein for 5 minutes

[summer shore]

It's literally just mining but 50% faster it doesn't get rid of mining

[high scaffold]

"50%"

[summer shore]

what's that mean now

[fast vessel]

Exaggeration, but you get the point. You still need to find it, you just mine it and move on to looking for other stuff. Why spend time mining a thing of ore when I could have more fun exploring for other stuff?

[stark pond]

i mean after plant you get shroomite claw, it digs pretty fast and for me, suits me enough in digging for exploration purpose

[pulsar cobalt]

guys theres a pretty simple fix

just make veinminer take longer to mine

[fast vessel]

Bro things I should wait until post plantera to make exploring fun💀

[high scaffold]

My only issue with veinminer is that its free

[valid crypt]

Just dont use veinminer if you dont want to

[summer shore]

This is dogshite it's like that one treecapitator mod for mc

[stark pond]

this is the best option, don't know if it's possible

[summer shore]

Actually horrendous

[high scaffold]

Most "QoL" mods are just disguised cheat mods

[fast vessel]

You should play with a mod that makes the game more grindy with how much you dislike others enjoying the game.

[summer shore]

So glad cheating isn't morally wrong

[stark pond]

singleplayer game, so what if they cheat the fuck out of it

unless they brag about it

[fast vessel]

Bro probably thinks blood orbs are cheating since they make it easier to get max buffs.

[stark pond]

or completely turn this game into a cakewalk

[stark pond]

what mod

[plucky vigil]

worst alcohol rework ever

[stark pond]

the closest is...

dynamic tree

[summer shore]

Real ones add 26 accessory slots only to fill it with junk

[versed heart]

I haven't used Veinminer in a while, but I won't complain if someone's using it
I think mostly I've gotten used to high speed mining with armor, buffs, and accessories dedicated to mining speed

[stark pond]

nah dynamic tree is worse than whatever you're describing

[fast vessel]

Yeah, that one. Makes you get flint tools I think.

[stark pond]

no that's notreepunching

[summer shore]

Idk I never played mc mods

[high scaffold]

The point of this conversation is to say that game design of things like calamity mod shouldnt rely on those cheat mods

[summer shore]

it makes you take 5 minutes to cut a piece of wood but in exchange you blow up the whole tree

[fast vessel]

It doesn’t, people just like them to have fun, like Fargo’s mutant.

[summer shore]

does it rely on them though

[stark pond]

dynamic tree turns tree dynamic and make them fall and you take 5 millions year cutting tree from the root

[fast vessel]

Single player game.

[summer shore]

like what gameplay change could possibly need to account for veinminer

[stark pond]

idk

[summer shore]

Yeah I meant something like that

[stark pond]

maybe auric ore is the closest to your criteria

[fast vessel]

“Every ore you breaks reduces your max life permanently by 100”

— nesegx, probably

[autumn compass]

The duality of man

[summer shore]

it's awful I sure love standing in one spot clicking on the same block for 76 years

[high scaffold]

Its not gameplay change, its pacing

[summer shore]

and then you accidentally move your mouse and boom all your progress is reset

[stark pond]

it's not as bad in terraria though

breakstate in terraria retain for quite long amount of time

[summer shore]

What does rhat even mean

[stark pond]

albeit it's smaller

[cobalt wharf]

veinminer mining ores instantly = get to move faster = less enemies are able to spawn
therefore my solution is to make all ore veins spawn 3 zombies when veinmined

[summer shore]

Welcome back defiant gouge risk of rain 2

[fast vessel]

Honestly a really good lunar if you get it early on e8.

[high scaffold]

Grind too much game unfun, mine too much game unfun, fight too much game unfun

[cobalt wharf]

also just not true blocks store their hit points for a bit

[fast vessel]

Staying afk in an afk farm for 10 hours in the hallow is not fun, sorry. You can do that in vanilla.

[high scaffold]

Nobody forces you to stay afk

[fast vessel]

But it’s the best way to farm a lot of stuff.

[summer shore]

Highly doubt veinminer changes that enough for it to actually matter

[high scaffold]

Do you play games for efficiency or for fun?

[summer shore]

being efficient is fun

[fast vessel]

If you wanna see how much the game sucks without QoL, do base calamity only rox skip low%. That’s ass.

[cobalt wharf]

what does that even mean

yeah i play video games for efficiency

[summer shore]

best encha

[fast vessel]

Efficiency. I have a full time job. The hell you want me to do? If I can only game for 3-4 hours on the weekend, ima do by best to speed up the grind.

[hushed hazel]

i hate to be that guy but

challenge runners when the challenge run is challenging

[high scaffold]

Vanila terraria and vanila calamity are both fine

[hollow harness]

That's a capitalist economic system problem unfortunately

[fast vessel]

Yeah, but I still gotta eat somehow. Regardless of the cause, life has gotta go on. Also, I kinda like my job.

[modern grove]

I never in my life built afk mob farm am I a fake terraria player

I don't like this type of grinding so I just don't do that

[cunning sequoia]

idk i like building and taking things slowly so according to reddit im not real

[fast vessel]

Nah, I’ve only done it a few times in challenge runs or vanilla, but I haven’t played vanilla in ages.

[high scaffold]

You are the true terraria player

[hollow harness]

i like fishing even though I have to set up the jungle bait farm which is now easy with the gravedigger shovel

[fast vessel]

Honestly building is really fun, just time consuming, and I like fighting bosses more. It’s why if I wanna build, I play the create mod in Minecraft.

[modern grove]

I just collect worms from can of worms that I find through natural exploring and then craft enchanted nightcrawlers

[summer shore]

I love building but I HATE HATE HATE building farms

[modern grove]

And after some fishing with them I get plenty of bait from crates

[hollow harness]

I do too but I like better baits

[cobalt wharf]

pfp checks out

[amber furnace]

LOL

[cunning sequoia]

true...

[fast vessel]

It’s why you gotta give the farms ✨aesthetic✨

[stark pond]

i got no idea of what is the deal with create mod whilst can play other twch mods just fone

[summer shore]

Farms be like. Make my pyramids

Fuck you I'm spending my time on prettying my arenas

[fast vessel]

What do you mean?

[high scaffold]

Honestly, if you need cheaty qol mods to at least somewhat enjoy terraria you might be better of playing another game

[summer shore]

farm gameplay. Sit in box for 30 minutes

Farm building. Follow my insteuctions

[high scaffold]

This actualy applies to all games

[fast vessel]

Bro, go home. Let people enjoy the game how they want. j-b jump scare.

[summer shore]

I don't need cheat mods to enjoy the game but I sure as hell enjoy it more with them

Especially building with them

[fast vessel]

Based

[stark pond]

they're too... steampunky and handling stuff are more barebone?

[summer shore]

God knows I would not want to dig up 6792 brimstone slabs just to make my scal arena

Or 12384 actuators

Or wires

[fast vessel]

My brother and I are working on an addon to make it more modern with proper steel components.

[summer shore]

Fuck just thinking about it drives me crazy

[dull heart]

I didn't forget it, it's just the same as alw

[shell ridge]

Modded without Magic Storage would be terrible

[amber furnace]

not really

[hollow harness]

People have been brainwashed by big QoL

[high scaffold]

What if there was never a magic storage

[hollow harness]

what if you played vanilla actually

[dull heart]

I never use magic storage, it sucks (by sucks I just mean isn't to my tastes)

[autumn compass]

I did my first Cal playthrough without Magic Storage and it really wasn't that bad

[summer shore]

Magic storage I never liked because I think making chest rooms is a hellofa lot more fun

[high scaffold]

This month, vanila 1.4.5

[stark pond]

but father you can buy 99999 actuator and wire in 20s

[summer shore]

where's the money coming fro

m

[amber furnace]

actually true and based

[cobalt wharf]

ok but with endgame mining this would take like 30 minutes maybe

[hollow harness]

magic storage is oughh I don't like it because it occupies a lot of UI space

[summer shore]

Making chest rooms with the crafting stations is like a fun puzzle it tickles my brain in the right way

[hollow harness]

if dynamite scaled with your pickaxe power in hardmode it'd be so awesome

[stark pond]

once you get to like the point you need 10k+ wires/actuators for an arena money isn't really a problem, especially with calamity

[summer shore]

True but what if it's for an earlier boss

[cobalt wharf]

yea ur not wrong im jus saying

[high scaffold]

Hardmode explosives in 1.4.5

[stark pond]

except the block, only wires and actuators

[royal garnet]

Veinminer mod but it gives tools a durability bar

[hollow harness]

oh right vanilla WILL add new explosives actually

[amber furnace]

holy hand grenade

[cobalt wharf]

i don’t think any blocks are actually hard to obtain in mass rn except like coral

[high scaffold]

Hell yeah

[summer shore]

I only said actuators because I use them in absolutely fucking everything

[amber furnace]

yeah actually how do you even get mass coral?

[summer shore]

God knows nobody can separate me from my luiafk actuation rod if they tried

[stark pond]

true

[high scaffold]

What it does?

[slow bear]

Guys when the update comes out will infernum and such stop working?

[cobalt wharf]

make an ocean. wait

[rare tinsel]

Rum is peak

[summer shore]

Also the biggest problem isn't even with farming the blocks the biggest problem is repeating the same structures 500 times

[modern grove]

Aren't they adding stronger bombs (and I assume dynamite) that can mine HM ores in 1.4.5

[summer shore]

When making an arena I make segments that I can copy past a bunch until I get a decent size

[hollow harness]

yea they're addding stronger bombs

[summer shore]

That becomes awful when doing manually

[hollow harness]

huge win for the demolisher nation

[high scaffold]

There are mods that add schematics

[autumn compass]

Honestly I should decorate my arenas a bit too

[summer shore]

It actuates blocks without the need for any wiring

[hollow harness]

pre-hm early game slog gets so much easier when you remember you can use bombs for everything

[autumn compass]

I forgot I could just copy paste with cheat sheet lmao

[summer shore]

Yess cheat sheet my beloved

the paint tool is dogass and buggy sometimes but it's still the greatest building tool behind maybe actuation rod

[high scaffold]

I think QoT one works the same

[autumn compass]

I still remember the first time I used the paint tool and took like 10 minutes to figure out how to use it because I didn't realise I had to click the eyedropper 🔥

[summer shore]

What's that

Quantity of trianlges

[autumn compass]

Quality of Terraria

QOL mod

[high scaffold]

Quality of terraria

[summer shore]

Ohok

[high scaffold]

Has bunch of building tools

[summer shore]

What's these

[high scaffold]

Like water transportation that can hold 100 of any liquid

[wicked halo]

Whoever makes these building tool mods for Minecraft and Terraria should be Nobel Peace Prize winners.

[high scaffold]

Copy a build and then place either a ghost projection or straight up paste it in with blocks being consumed

[summer shore]

Ohok

But can it break blocks

[high scaffold]

Quality of terraria also has a magic storage alternative, a bag for potions and a banner box

[high scaffold]

Based on the mod but QoT has a wand that breaks blocks in area you want, 2 tiers of it with different max area, also scales of your pickaxe power

[hollow harness]

oh my god bruh bag of potions really

[high scaffold]

Better then inf potions in piggy bank

[summer shore]

Ohh

[high scaffold]

Honestly inventory expansions is one thing I was always mostly chill on

[summer shore]

Might check it out then but I'mm probably too used to cheat sheet to switch lmao

[hollow harness]

vanilla adds the magic bag storage item which acts as a second inventory

[high scaffold]

Theres already 3 extra inventories in vanila

(Actualy 5)

[rancid pagoda]

4

[summer shore]

I've grown attached to that shitass thing it's my favorite piece ofjunk

[hollow harness]

yea its just 4 I think

[summer shore]

Terrible object I love it

[hollow harness]

piggy bank, safe, ooa storage, magic bag

[high scaffold]

Chester?

[hollow harness]

oh yea and the Chester pet too

[hasty hawk]

chester is the same as piggy bank

[rancid pagoda]

chester is just piggy bank access

[hollow harness]

wait really?

[hasty hawk]

so is money through

[hollow harness]

lmao

[high scaffold]

Oh, ok

[autumn compass]

Chester is basically just a Money Trough that follows you around

[rancid pagoda]

I kinda don't like it, jumps around so much

[high scaffold]

Idk what mod makes it but my money thought follows me around

[north island]

Since I see divided opinions on Qol, how bad would it be to use Cal with Fargo just for infinite potions?

[hollow harness]

I don't see the need to use it for a pet slot

[rancid pagoda]

a lot of mods do that, luiafk at least

[autumn compass]

Fargo's Mutant also does that iirc

[hollow harness]

Fargo's Mutant Mod makes your money through follow you

[high scaffold]

If you realy dont like crafting them can get a mod that allows buying them

[polar tide]

do whatever you watn forever

[cerulean carbon]

does ANYBODY know when the next update is coming?

[summer shore]

Never ask for opinions on the internet

Unless they're your friends

[high scaffold]

I think fargo is removing infinite potions in 2.0

[hollow harness]

Afront to God

[sturdy halo]

Hello everyone! I'd like to ask who's responsible for reworking Plantera in Revenge+Death mode? I really want to know the answer...

[high scaffold]

Fabsol

[desert garnet]

fabsol...

he was the only one who worked on bosses

[sturdy halo]

exactly?

[desert garnet]

cuz he didnt want anyone else touching them

[woeful pagoda]

because of how ass theyare

[desert garnet]

hes gone so now bosses will be better

[vivid hemlock]

january/february according to the newsletter

[cerulean carbon]

yeah well i HOPE so

[woeful pagoda]

february 22 seems like a good prediction if january goes wrong

[sturdy halo]

I HATE R+M BOSSES

[cerulean carbon]

damn is that the sunken sea overhaul?

[desert garnet]

master is fabsols worst creations

[desert garnet]

its brainstorm

[woeful pagoda]

nah brainstorm, sso is coming out later this year

[desert garnet]

they split sunken content so the update wont take too long

[cerulean carbon]

ooh

[desert garnet]

everything which isnt sunken will be in brainstorm

[cerulean carbon]

and what exactly is the brainstorm update?

[desert garnet]

which is a lot

[cerulean carbon]

ooh alright thats some good news

[woeful pagoda]

ton of reworks

[hasty tangle]

literally everything that would have been in the sunken sea update that isnt the sunken sea

[cerulean carbon]

ooh

alright thanks guys

[woeful pagoda]

I am finally going to have some fun with DoG outside of infernum

[desert garnet]

ye

[sturdy halo]

Four of my friends and I are currently cursing Fabsol while we're trying to beat M+R Plantera.

[high scaffold]

My next calamity playtrough will include calamity, catalyst and wrath of the machines

[desert garnet]

next update will smite most of those master ai changes

[gleaming gorge]

this has to be a crazy critical strike reduction to not be insane

imagine this + jester arrows/luminite bullets on literally any multisegment boss

[hoary meteor]

Or just be a fairly weak homing effect

[desert garnet]

chloro arrows will be crazy

[gleaming gorge]

truee
probably like half the strength of chlorophyte could be reasonable to not invalidate chloro bullets

[hoary meteor]

Or inflate the health of worm bosses even more

[pseudo vector]

read the newsletter on the website linked in #mod-announcements if you want some more info about the update

[hoary meteor]

Cuz that's super fun

[gleaming gorge]

god
another 10 billion damage reduction stats to destroyer

[cerulean carbon]

aight thanks

[gleaming gorge]

i wonder how stormbow would react with it

could be a really interesting synergy

[hoary meteor]

If someone finds the magic to turn worms into a single hitbox I'll worship them forever

[gleaming gorge]

the alcohol im most interested in is the multiclass damage buff one
whiskey
cant believe they added ultrakill weapon freshness to calamity

[hasty hawk]

*most of the things that would have been in the sunken sea update that isnt the sunken sea

[dull heart]

yay my laser pointer may finally get added

[fathom girder]

labser poibtur

[dull heart]

i finished it all the way back in may

pre-25

[vocal kelp]

Laser pointerer

[fathom girder]

is it a prehm last prism

[vocal kelp]

That already exists

[fathom girder]

does it?

[desert garnet]

catalyst

[vocal kelp]

I'm fish! 🐟

[desert garnet]

adds it iirc

nvm

i missremembered with the flashlight

[fathom girder]

....so wait what's the item

[dull heart]

a laser pointer

[vocal kelp]

I'm fish!

[dull heart]

its an accessory

[azure oak]

does it have a functionality or is it just a light you don't have to hold out

[frail owl]

i'm cat

[vocal kelp]

no like, prehardmode last prism, that one funny sunken sea fishing weapon with a name we don't remember that used to have a bugged projectile hitbox because it used the example mod code which had the bug

[frail owl]

sparkling empress?

[fathom girder]

oh

you could have said that instead of "I'm fish" forty times

lol?

[dull heart]

it is not a light

[vocal kelp]

I'm fish 🐟

[fathom girder]

🐟

[dull heart]

seeing with a laser pointer would be impossible

[frail owl]

[azure oak]

[desert garnet]

[frail owl]

[vocal kelp]

It's a laser you point at things

[dull heart]

yes!

[fathom girder]

I mean technically

[vocal kelp]

🎉

[fathom girder]

a laser pointer that breaks all regulations and outputs enough energy to burn whatever it touches CAN illuminate the room around you

it would also inflict eye damage but

[vivid hemlock]

is it this thing

[fathom girder]

it would light up the room

[dull heart]

yes it is that thing

[fathom girder]

shoutout to the five pairs of boots

[azure oak]

interesting

though depending on projectile velocity it might not actually be very useful

[spark kiln]

amputees are gonna love this item

[dull heart]

literally does nothing for controller players yippee

[fathom girder]

luminite bullet stocks just went up

wait are those yellow triangles around the target a zelda reference

[dull heart]

no

[spark kiln]

the damage you lose from having one less accessory would probably make it more worth it to just use chloro bullets

[dull heart]

they're just the vanilla

indicator

[spark kiln]

that’s vanilla ui

[fathom girder]

oe

I had no idea lmao

[spark kiln]

controller and mobile already have target locking

[fathom girder]

ranger doesn't have any accessories though

kinda like how the ps5 has no games

[azure oak]

if the target is too fast or the projectile too slow it wouldn't be very effective anyways

[rancid pagoda]

oh target lock for mouse

[mystic eagle]

That ui is a reference to specifically the Target locking in the N64 zeldas

[rancid pagoda]

that's so useful

[fathom girder]

So I was RIGHT

via a very

very small technicality

[rancid pagoda]

(or it's only useful because you need the mouse to also select teleport destinations)

[amber furnace]

make it so you can play with town cats with it

[fathom girder]

secret interaction where empress of light goes "ooh new color" and she completely forgets to fight the terrarian

[dull heart]

i wonder if The Pointer will be secretly broken

[fathom girder]

I think luminite bullets with pointer will be silly

[dull heart]

as in worth using over other offensive accessories

[fathom girder]

betcha it could be useful on mage as well

[dull heart]

i think there's some things that might end up way sillier

[fathom girder]

yharim's crystal...

[halcyon seal]

My immediate thought is superradiant tbh

[dense sundial]

or you could put in the pinch of effort to aim and be able to use the strongest options available

[modern grove]

call of cthulhu

[dense sundial]

so i guess this is actually reasonable if it's an accessory

[dull heart]

yeah

[dense sundial]

...maybe obtained later though

[fathom girder]

it gives wulfrum acro pack vibes

[dull heart]

it is pre boss

[fathom girder]

maybe rogue will like it

just to ensure you never miss with stealth y'know

but they have a lot of accessories already

[dense sundial]

early projectile options are like

either fast enough not to need targeting or slow enough to often miss with targeting

and early bosses don't move an awful lot anyway, so it would hardly be any better than aiming

[fathom girder]

yoyos

maybe yoyos are the secret sauce for this

[halcyon seal]

Funnily enough I think this might be good for like hyper optimized whipstacking summoner

[fathom girder]

whipstacking is dying

[halcyon seal]

Yeah but it’s the thought that counts

[fathom girder]

..right

lul

[dense sundial]

yknow it's also nice to see fairly regular spoilers now

[fathom girder]

brainstorm should be called calamity 2 tbh

fulfill the ozzatron prophecy

[hushed hazel]

calamity 5

[dense sundial]

4.5 (SSO brings it up to 5)

[high scaffold]

I have decided that Ill do my brainstorm playtrough without magic storage

I have actualy done my first calamity playtrough this way and it was fine but weapons took like half the chests

Shouldnt be an issue if I stop hoarding

[rancid pagoda]

just don't open boss bags after you got everything

[high scaffold]

Speaking of bags, no buying them

[rancid pagoda]

get rid of the loot from boss bags and just open them when you need the item

[high scaffold]

Is shimmering boss drops coming in brainstorm?

I hope so

[pulsar cobalt]

yes

[high scaffold]

Goog

[dull heart]

no

[wise bolt]

misinformation

[high scaffold]

[dull heart]

shimmering boss drops is probably not actually happening after furter team discussions

[high scaffold]

Well this stinks

Gotta actualy play the game

[dusk bronze]

[dull heart]

but! instead we're probably gonna add a pity system for boss drops

so if a boss has 5 weapons, after 5 kills you'll guaranteed have gotten every one

[high scaffold]

I mean I guess this works too

[desert garnet]

thats much better than shimmering tbh

[rancid pagoda]

will this pity system make me not fail a 50/50 roll 20 times in a row?

[high scaffold]

And if a boss has a secondary guaranteed drop pool does it work the same too?

[rancid pagoda]

hmm, is it going to be for every mutually exclusive drop or just the main weapons?

[dull heart]

rare drops will have their own pity pool/system yes

[high scaffold]

Lets say golem

Has a guaranteed weapon drop and a guaranteed other drop

Will it have 2 pity pools?

[wooden blade]

GACHA IN MY FUCKING CALAMITY MOD LFGGGGGGGGGGG

[floral yew]

i remember the time where i wanted to get a 1/3 drop from PBG and it took me 14 kills for me to get it and the chance was like
astronomically low

[dull heart]

yeah, we're not making Fishron wings part of the main weapon pool

[high scaffold]

Goog

Guaranteed sun stone/eye of golem in 3 kills

I just checked, why does golem have both weapons and accessories in 1 pool?

Honestly they should share pool with picksaw

Or maybe picksaw should still be an extra drop

[dusk bronze]

picksaw should be guaranteed but just on the first kill

[desert garnet]

ye

[high scaffold]

It is in calamity

I think

[dusk bronze]

isn't it guaranteed every time

[desert garnet]

not sure

[rancid pagoda]

yeah that is a thing already and working

[dense sundial]

Why not?

[rancid pagoda]

of course it's only one guaranteed picksaw which isn't perfect for multiplayer

[desert garnet]

its lame imo

you kill the boss once

and you dont touch it anymore cuz you can just shimmer

[dusk bronze]

you still need the amount of drops you wanna shimmer stuff to

[rancid pagoda]

drops are doubled already instead of just getting one thing

[dense sundial]

I’m personally used to games where you don’t have to repeat a significant challenge for its rewards just because of RNG

Although those games don’t let you repeat those challenges in the first place, so I guess that makes sense?

[dusk bronze]

yeah i've always been confused why refights are encouraged by terraria

[desert garnet]

now that im thinking

[dense sundial]

Another drop in the RNG bucket

[desert garnet]

it wouldnt hurt if the bags would drop every drop

i got too used to refighting bosses

that i didnt really think of it as a bad thing

which is kinda bad

[pulsar cobalt]

mmorpg logic ig

[lyric trellis]

Maybe if bosses had 3 drops

Plantera bag dropping all her drops 💔

[rancid pagoda]

except you have materials as boss drops which are disproportionally affected

[dusk bronze]

pbg loot pool 😨

[dense sundial]

Terraria is very heavily RNG-based in general and never really funnels you into using a specific class or such, so I think maybe the “intended” way to play it is just settle for whatever the game gives you

Like a roguelike except worse

[rancid pagoda]

so you still have to fight the bosses that drop material more than other bosses

[lyric trellis]

Opening the ML bag and getting crushed by 15 items

[desert garnet]

makes sense

rng is part of the replayability

[mystic eagle]

I like how we're getting a Stormbow projectile recolour just because nobody cared about voting on it

[pseudo vector]

(you're not getting the recolour)

[desert garnet]

damn

[pseudo vector]

(none of us voted because we simply do not need it)

[dusk bronze]

then why accepted

[pseudo vector]

smth with the bot

[dusk bronze]

bruh

[pseudo vector]

it auto-accepted because no one voted no or yes

it won't be getting in

[pulsar cobalt]

does nycro know about the bug,,,

[pseudo vector]

uhhhhh i don't believe so but its something we should address

[pulsar cobalt]

yea thatd be a good idea

[fierce hearth]

I personally like refights but that's just me. Most bosses that have valuable drops also unlock content upon defeat that allows you to power up for the refight, making subsequent battles easier. It's "rewarding" for me (and me specifically) to feel that small power spike when I go back to grab what I actually wanted from the boss' cold, dead hands.

[rain stone]

Did they tell us if update drops early/late 2026 or next year? (If no that's fine)

[dusk bronze]

this month or the next

[rain stone]

Let's goo

[dusk bronze]

alternatively pay $50 to get most of it rn

[rain stone]

Imma wait for infernum anyway

[cunning sequoia]

you do know infernum isnt getting updates right

[dusk bronze]

infernum will not be updating to 1.4.5

[pseudo vector]

when brainstorm comes out just play calamity with whatever qol mods you want

[rain stone]

. . .

[fierce hearth]

major boss reworks to improve gamefeel
nah I wanna wait for the boss overhaul mod to update

[rain stone]

Welp that changes things

[cunning sequoia]

no afaik it will be ported to 1.4.5 it'll just stay on calamity's current version

[pseudo vector]

also yeah infernum will not be getting any meaningful updates

the mod is content complete and lucille does not intend on doing anything else with the mod

[dense sundial]

And how many boss reworks are in 2.1, like two?

Consider that Infernum reworks everything

[pseudo vector]

2 major ones but several bosses are getting touch ups and meaningful tweaks

[cunning sequoia]

brain is a major one, DoG is a minor one

well more minor than brain at least

[pseudo vector]

dog and brain are the most significant relative to the rest

[dense sundial]

There will still be a very significant precedent to have Infernum if it does port forward

[fierce hearth]

Brain is a complete overhaul
DoG is getting a major rework (but not rly an overhaul)
Many other bosses minor improvements

[fathom girder]

we will now be able to pet the dog

[ivory lark]

DoG bites

[wise bolt]

bware of dog

[fathom girder]

he doesn't bite

[pseudo vector]

he don't bite

[fierce hearth]

Honestly my guess is that it'll require a new boss lmao

[wise bolt]

yo mama bites

[ivory lark]

my worm don't bite bruh

it's safe you can pet him he doesn't bite

[dense sundial]

?

[fierce hearth]

Dude I pet your DoG and my hand ignited with a flame that burned so bright it dimmed the stars

[pseudo vector]

i imagine over time infernum will likely be less appealing to use as calamity continues to rework existing bosses and such

[fierce hearth]

I meant that to justify Infernum getting a new content update would probably require there to be a new Calamity boss added

[misty wren]

not even that

[fathom girder]

Yharim when

[misty wren]

it aint getting new shit

[dense sundial]

I’m not talking about an Infernum update what

[fierce hearth]

Oh

[misty wren]

like we've known for a long time infernum isnt getting any new content

[fierce hearth]

[pseudo vector]

infernum will not be getting any new content updates

[fierce hearth]

I am not all here, apologies

[pseudo vector]

regardless of whether we add anything new or not

[wise bolt]

bro is not all here

[misty wren]

it was known like right after scal and exos infernum released that yharim just wouldnt be reworked

[cunning sequoia]

brostrum deus

[frail owl]

you see, this is a way to dilute people's interest in infernum, so that fargo dlc can usurp infernum's place

[dense sundial]

After 1.9, at least

[wise bolt]

astrum broreus

[fierce hearth]

Yharim is too cool to be reworked. If anyone makes a Yharim rework mod we hunt them for sport

[frail owl]

i'm becoming more delirious by the day

[misty wren]

no im going to get fluffy to make a rework mod that makes yharim horrible

[wise bolt]

lunatic cultist recolor & ai yharim 🙏

[high scaffold]

2.1 shall become the version that will turn calamity community intelligent

[fierce hearth]

Include a LORDE joke so we can all be miserable and unfunny

[pseudo vector]

yharim doesn't even have a fight to be reworked but even then infernum would not update to rework his fight

[frail owl]

maybe a bit too optimistic there

[dense sundial]

With Fighter and Deerclops too

[frail owl]

people will remain obstinate in their perception, therefore illiteracy will persist

[high scaffold]

I heard some rumors about draedon storage

[halcyon seal]

Yharim will get a rework and he will be a Goblin Warlock reskin

[rain stone]

Basically I get that infernum is feature complete but I was hoping that it will update for new callamity

[halcyon seal]

With recolored Arkhalis for attacks

[frail owl]

also who are you, nesegx?

[dusk bronze]

about what

[fierce hearth]

The Calamity Update chat's favorite hobby is making something up to joke about for 40 minutes

[frail owl]

i have this uncanny feeling that i've seen you before...

[high scaffold]

Magic storage analog

[dusk bronze]

then it wouldn't be feature complete

[high scaffold]

Why are you cool blue?

[dusk bronze]

idfk

[wise bolt]

yharim trust

[vivid hemlock]

LOL

[high scaffold]

Would it be funny if there was an "certified idea guy" role

[fierce hearth]

Yharim being an LC recolor would be returning to form for this mod. It's time to go back to 2016 everyone.

[rain stone]

Feature is one bug fixes/compatibility patches are other thing

[hexed raft]

i havent played calamity in like a year and a half did they add anything new yet?

[grave geyser]

drop this for april fools 2028 do it you wont

[halcyon seal]

I heard rumors about magic(al) storage

[fierce hearth]

Nope

[dusk bronze]

eh

[hexed raft]

🙁

[wise bolt]

@dull heart hey

[fierce hearth]

Check announcements tho

[high scaffold]

Check steam

[halcyon seal]

A new update reworking most boring weapons in the mod is dropping in the next few months ish

[fierce hearth]

We are promised stuff soon™

[dull heart]

hry

hey

[pseudo vector]

i don't know if infernum will be compatible with brainstorm, but it will not be compatible with SSO

[wise bolt]

whaddya reckon

[dull heart]

infernum is planning to port to brainstorm as far as i'm aware

[dusk bronze]

this wouldn't be a compatibility patch
it would be massive changes of content

[dense sundial]

What massive changes of content

[pseudo vector]

tbh brainstorm weapon reworks fighting infernum bosses sounds like fun

[dusk bronze]

if for instance, they made infernum work with new ds

[dense sundial]

They won’t. They’re not porting to SSO

[fathom girder]

Infernum's staying on a legacy port yeag

[dusk bronze]

i know

that's what i'm saying

[fathom girder]

Inferngum is gonna be OLD NEWS

LOST MEDIA

[rain stone]

It's sad for me but fair enough

[fathom girder]

Lucille will finally be at peace

[high scaffold]

"brainstorm weapon reworks.. ..fun" is enough already

[dense sundial]

Weren’t we originally talking about Infernum porting to Brainstorm? Because that would not pose any issues

[dusk bronze]

you can still play old versions of cal that work with infernum

[fierce hearth]

Someone asked why Infernum won't update to new content and Snailrook entertained the hypothetical to point out why it wouldn't (even disregarding the dev saying they just don't want to)

[pseudo vector]

lucille can finally rest once infernum stops being ported to new versions of cal and is forced to be on a legacy version

[plush carbon]

Infernum-update-talk

[pseudo vector]

anyways take your infernum speak to #calamity-addon-talk

thank you

[dense sundial]

Not even that, Infernum will probably come with an old Calamity version as if it’s a whole content mod

[plush carbon]

Its ok we're never really on topic here.

[high scaffold]

Will cal devs be playing 1.4.5 and taking notes for future updates?

[dense sundial]

That would eliminate the need for a lot of overrides and workarounds and such

[rain stone]

Yea true but I wanted harder game then basic callamity (even death) maybe main callamity will be harder now (sorry mods last massage about this)

[dusk bronze]

well master will be good Eventually

[plush carbon]

Accurate

[desert garnet]

you can always try legendary

death

[high scaffold]

Malice

[fierce hearth]

Yeah they plan on making Malice actually fun

[pseudo vector]

no lmao

[dense sundial]

I don’t know about it being harder in the sense of raw challenge, but the important thing is it will be good

[vivid hemlock]

malice is not an actual difficulty

[rain stone]

I did it but I think infernum was little harder but I heard new update has some changes

[vivid hemlock]

its just a name for legendary death

[dusk bronze]

(malice is renamed legdeath with no changes)

[pseudo vector]

malice is a shitpost difficulty for GFB / FTW

it will not be good or fun

[dense sundial]

Like it can be a fair and balanced sort of challenge instead of whatever 2.0.4 Brain is supposed to be

[pseudo vector]

its just stupid

[fierce hearth]

I was joking, Death will remain the hardest difficulty actually designed for good gamefeel and fun

[high scaffold]

Both vanila 1.4.5 and calamity 2.1 will be breaking points and Im so excited for it

[pseudo vector]

eh, there's probably non-zero chance that new death might end up being harder than infernum but more fun as we go forwards

[dusk bronze]

pog

[rain stone]

I'm guessing someone will make death+ or sth

[rain stone]

I hope that's true

[dense sundial]

I really don’t care much about the difficulty so long as it’s just challenging enough and the curve makes sense

[pseudo vector]

its up to us in the end

[fierce hearth]

Maybe. But that's up to whatever masochistic mod dev to saddle themself with, best not to plan for it unless you intend to do it yourself.

[rain stone]

Of course

[dense sundial]

There are some “easy” bosses that I love

Like Colgera from TotK

[pseudo vector]

i can already tell you brainstorm dog will not be as hard as infernum dog

[strong isle]

That moment when vanilla gfb BoC reverses gravity for phase 2

[graceful ivy]

thank fuck

[pseudo vector]

like we won't go that insanely hard for for sake of everyone's sanity

[strong isle]

(We're never gonna make a boss as hard as literally a difficulty-oriented mod)

[halcyon seal]

I’ve said it before but I think something being hard is like an amplifier for quality, it makes good bosses really good and bad bosses really bad

[dense sundial]

I enjoy fighting Infernum DoG but if you did this there would be a cassowary in your bedroom at 3am

[desert garnet]

There is fargos dlc which makes souls work with cal and even reworks cal bosses on eternity+ but its still in development

[dusk bronze]

true

[pseudo vector]

i don't think the (mostly) casual playerbase of calamity would enjoy infernum difficulty bosses in base cal

[high scaffold]

Infernum dog is questionably hard, hard when you dont know the patterns and not so hard when you do, or so I heard

[wise bolt]

trying to beat 10 brains of cthulhu at once (impossible challenge (i survived))

[dense sundial]

• Yeah!

[pseudo vector]

brainstorm death dog is hard but a lot of fun

brainstorm malice dog is uhhhh

good fucking luck

[halcyon seal]

I fully intend on doing malice gfb for my first brainstorm playthrough

Mostly for the funny

[fierce hearth]

Lmao

[pseudo vector]

maybe don't do that

[hoary meteor]

I feel like that's different. Just cuz it's a very cinematic fight that makes use of totk sandbox elements. Calamity can't really be cinematic in the same way and isn't sandbox the same way either

[desert garnet]

Its the same for most bosses but dog very easly punishes you

[halcyon seal]

Although I def won’t be doing permafrost

I’ll just stop at scal

[dense sundial]

You heard right. He’s a little obtuse and absurdly punishing, but so consistent that you only struggle with him once

Either you know him or you don’t

[high scaffold]

Is PBG lock behind code breaker in brainstorm?

[pseudo vector]

i believe so yes

[halcyon seal]

I think inf dog is an incredible fight that nobody should ever even attempt to replicate

[desert garnet]

Good

[high scaffold]

And aureus?

[desert garnet]

People will start making pc earlier

[pseudo vector]

codebreaker will be needed for some parts of progression but i don't recall specifics

[high scaffold]

Arsenal armor

[dusk bronze]

changelogs say pbg and aureus

[dense sundial]

“10/10 would not buy again”

[pseudo vector]

yeah

[halcyon seal]

More or less

[pseudo vector]

and of course exos but that's a "no shit sherlock" type beat

[strong isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249790289212866600/1363650062076608803/109816361_puter.gif

[pseudo vector]

they were already locked behind completing the codebreaker anyways

[dense sundial]

Why are scavenger gifs so good

[frail owl]

where's astrum deus?

[high scaffold]

Is aureus overhaul happening together with astral infection update?

[pseudo vector]

probably?

[vestal osprey]

I would assume so

Maybe strum deus too

[plush carbon]

The Astral Overhaul where they remove the biome

[pseudo vector]

we're not at that stage yet so its really early to be making those guesses, but logically speaking yes both aureus and deus would be reworked in the scenario of an astral overhaul update

considering the team's stance on how they both currently are fight-wise

[dull heart]

Except on malice

Malice dog is significantly harder

[pseudo vector]

malice dog is fucking absurd

[dull heart]

Well, on FTW + death or malice

[pseudo vector]

good luck to anyone attempting it

[dense sundial]

If I had to cut complete sections of content, I would do either Astral and Plague or just Plague

[high scaffold]

My name is Draedon
I made the Aureus
It was difficult to put the pieces together
But unfortunately something went so wrong
And now I cant do anything but sing this stoopid song

[fathom girder]

malice dog is such an amusing thing to think about

[stiff light]

WHAT

[dull heart]

I really want to show blooper of it but I cant

[vestal osprey]

I mean redoing bosses based off the biomes there in make sense

Like brimstone crag overhaul would make sense to have brimstone elemental fight rework

[arctic cliff]

I think plague is more “disposable” because it’s a whole lot smaller

[dense sundial]

BCO should also have Ravager in it

[dusk bronze]

agree

[fathom girder]

brainstorm Core overhaul

[high scaffold]

That one shitpost fnaf secret of the fucking mimic game song reference

[stiff light]

guh

[dense sundial]

My name is Edwin, and so forth

[vestal osprey]

You know what since theyre remaking the brimstone crag, overhaul the whole underworld woth profaned guardians, Providence, and the new biome and...

Oh so thats how the scope creep happened

[stiff light]

you made the mimic

[frail owl]

add into calamity

[desert garnet]

^

[pulsar cobalt]

no

[frail owl]

who are yuh?

[hoary meteor]

Surely that won't have to be split into multiple updates

We can wait 5 years

[dense sundial]

i forgot to come back to this but absolutely yes
i have an infernum true melee nohit journey that i've been neglecting for several months; would love to continue it with 25+ awesome new options

[frail owl]

i could probably get a job at that point

not complaining though

[high scaffold]

It was difficult to put the pieces together

[hoary meteor]

I'll be in the retirement home by the time everything on the calamity roadmap is finished

It's fine though I'll get my retirement bros to play with me

[high scaffold]

Theres no callimity roadmap

[frail owl]

senile geezers playing calamity

[hoary meteor]

Ik there's not an official roadmap

Just lots of loose plans

[dense sundial]

imagine how much more fun true melee will be in general now that it has weapons that are mechanically good

[frail owl]

that'd be a pretty cool idea for a video

[hoary meteor]

Yharon resprite when

[high scaffold]

Could say an entire sunken sea of plan

[frail owl]

if one's that apathetic and vain

[dusk bronze]

after sso

[vestal osprey]

I know that brimstone crag is likely to be next after sso

[hoary meteor]

Can you beat the terraria calamity mod with dementia?

[frail owl]

constipation'd be better

[high scaffold]

Brainstorm tomorrow

Chat, I got a distortion keyboard now

[fossil yacht]

i say as they drag me to the asylum

[high scaffold]

I dont care about it, I have a distortion keyboard now

Actualy, what are yall prediction on when is brainstorm dropping?

A singular day only prediction

Id say something like february 3rd

[halcyon seal]

February 12th

[fossil yacht]

delayed

[high scaffold]

I think that vanila 1.4.5 is jan 12

[dusk bronze]

the day before hytale?

[high scaffold]

Isnt hytale 12 too?

And hytale is only early access and 3D too

Mostly an attraction for minecraft players

[halcyon seal]

Also gonna be worst game of 2026 so it’s chill

[high scaffold]

And double drop on one day is cool

Remember doom eternal and animal crossing?

[fierce hearth]

actually important dev question: Will 1.4.5 parity be prioritized over SSO's release?

[high scaffold]

Before that we need to ask what will come out first, tmod 1.4.5 or SSO

[dense sundial]

this is a rhetorical question

[fierce hearth]

Tmod support has increased substantially so I'm inclined to say yes Tmod 1.4.5 will come first

[dense sundial]

1.4.5 will come out first and then brainstorm and then SSO after an undefined number of months

wait, tmod 1.4.5. i'm being stupid i'm sorry

[fierce hearth]

LMAO

[grave geyser]

technically brainstorm could come out before terraria 1.4.5 but its incredibly unlikely

[high scaffold]

I hope tmod starts absorbing popular library mods

[dense sundial]

i hope terraria fixes its own code so there's less need for library mods and incomprehensible IL edits

[fierce hearth]

Yeah I'm talking specifically about when Calamity can have 1.4.5 parity, not whether it will come out before vanilla 1.4.5 lmao

[fathom girder]

tmod getting 1.4.5 quickly is an amusing assumption

[high scaffold]

Reminder, terraria runs on a 12 year old engine if my memory doesnt lie to me

[dense sundial]

anyway i'd guess tmod 1.4.5 won't take long
some tmod devs are also terraria devs

[fierce hearth]

Mhm. I really think it'd be only a matter of a few months at the most, which is about the window I figured for the minimum gap between BS and SSO

(obviously a lot of assumptions here, but I'm curious about the Calamity devs' perspective)

[dense sundial]

As of January 2013, XNA is no longer being developed

XNA was practically deprecated when terraria released

[fierce hearth]

LMAO

[high scaffold]

So almost 13 years now

[dense sundial]

and terraria was made largely by a literal ideasguy

[high scaffold]

Ideasguys rule

[fierce hearth]

I just got my girlfriend to play an RPG that released in 2015 running in Flash. The dev still makes Flash engine games despite it being deprecated. It's hilarious.

I love puppeting zombie game engines

[dense sundial]

don't people sometimes make things for deprecated engines specifically for the novelty

like making a sega genesis game or such

[fierce hearth]

yes but neither my example nor terraria are instances of that

Well I looked up XNA and already know why Terraria was developed in it

freeware

[dense sundial]

a lot of terraria sounds are stock too

[halcyon seal]

Red might be the greatest ideasguy to ever do it

[dense sundial]

i'll be real i think my perspective on terraria has been completely rotted away by modded terraria

(and by games with good combat)

so i no longer have an opinion on terraria

[grave geyser]

terraria's combat was never really the highlight to me it was always the exploration and customization

[buoyant pulsar]

the ideasguy who could

[dense sundial]

maybe i should do a 1.4.5 run but let it be totally freeform, like a roguelike

make do with what i'm randomly given

[grave geyser]

that said terrarias combat is one that really benefits from good enemy design which unfortunately I think terraria is pretty lacking in overall

[buoyant pulsar]

i mean i think this was the intention from the start but i gotta admit i wish more thought was put into that

[halcyon seal]

I don’t think terraria really has a highlight

The appeal is the sheer amount of shit in it

[fierce hearth]

Vanilla terraria is just too agonizingly slow for me. Calamity's baseline mining speed buffs make early exploration so much less of a chore it makes vanilla borderline unplayable for me 🤡

[buoyant pulsar]

remove contact damage

[grave geyser]

no

[buoyant pulsar]

lol

[halcyon seal]

Want combat? Like a dozen events and 20-ish bosses

Want building? How many furniture sets are in this game again

Want to fuck around with logic stuff? Wiring is weirdly in depth for how niche it is

[fierce hearth]

terraria is the MMORPG of single player sandboxes

[buoyant pulsar]

i think certain enemies where it makes sense should have contact damage, but not literally every single enemy in the game should hurt you just for kissing it on the cheek

[dense sundial]

this is how you get fabsol removing so much contact damage that half the enemies in the game can barely threaten you in the first place

[high scaffold]

Fargos 2.0 making enemies actualy cool and reworking invasions

[grave geyser]

I mean maybe now but idk I started playing in 1.2, watched videos on it as early as 1.1 era, and the game has practically doubled in content since then
surely there was something there before the sheer amount of stuff become the selling point

[dense sundial]

slimes do NOT need to be harmless when they're sitting still. come on

[buoyant pulsar]

i think the enemies that dont have contact damage should have telegraphed attacks like lunges or whatev

[buoyant pulsar]

slimes can be an exception since theyre iconic

[halcyon seal]

I played old gen console versions for my first time through

I think the exclusive content there did genuinely really help

[dense sundial]

or like

[halcyon seal]

For as. Well frankly dogshit as most of it was

[dense sundial]

hive mind does not need to be harmless when chasing you because you can literally go sit inside it

[buoyant pulsar]

cozy hive mind

[grave geyser]

I remember fighting lepus basically whenever I happened to get a spawn for him

[buoyant pulsar]

hive home

[halcyon seal]

I remember wanting to fight ocram so bad but not understanding that he needed specifically Adamantite Bars

[grave geyser]

I was too shit at the game back then to even make it to hardmode

[halcyon seal]

And I don’t think crates were well known until 1.3 dropped so

They might’ve not even been in the game

[grave geyser]

fishing didnt even exist until 1.2.4 so

[halcyon seal]

Yeah ogc stopped at 1.2.4

[grave geyser]

the time when fishron was effectively the final boss

[dense sundial]

i remember first playing terraria in 1.3(?) on a macbook and crying my eyes out when my files corrupted post-mechs

[grave geyser]

absolutely tragic

[halcyon seal]

Dude my first 1.3 playthrough I got a slime staff like night 2

[dense sundial]

then i beat moon lord with three asphalt runways and the nurse

hood classic

[grave geyser]

SAME

[halcyon seal]

It’s weird that everyone just stopped using asphalt

[grave geyser]

my first moon lord kill was with 2 friends that I've since grown rather distant from

[halcyon seal]

I didn’t struggle much with moon lord, my hardest boss was destroyer

That guy is HARD when you don’t know about good accessories or armor or weapons or whatever

[dense sundial]

now i can scarcely play the game past mechs because i hate mechs

[fierce hearth]

I'm realizing the reason why I always play class-locked terraria is because as a kid, my siblings and I would always pick a class so we could "cover" each other's "weaknesses" or whatever, and also share drops more evenly

[high scaffold]

Asphalt's use cases are rather limited

[grave geyser]

its a lot of effort in an era of the game where effort is at its lowest because of how optimized the game has become

[halcyon seal]

That’s fair

I do kinda wish that there was a midground between Satanist and Maso because I really want to see what the hardest humanly possible bosses could look like

[grave geyser]

isnt that just legendary maso

[halcyon seal]

Oh right legmaso

I’ll have to do a playthrough of that someday

Probably after masodeath hc

[dusk bronze]

wait is satanist wof mathematically impossible

[halcyon seal]

No it’s doable

[dusk bronze]

i thought it was just realistically impossible

ah

[halcyon seal]

Afaik he gets no speed increases

Just that nobody’s done it yet

[high scaffold]

Should I read trough all SSO files again?

[halcyon seal]

The only satanist boss I’d say is truly impossible rn is queen bee

[grave geyser]

someone beat it

iirc

[halcyon seal]

Really?

[dusk bronze]

where

[halcyon seal]

Uhc satanist or just satanist

[dense sundial]

this is the point at which one starts to play sekiro mods

[halcyon seal]

I need to get sekiro

[dense sundial]

YOU NEED TO PLAY SEKIRO!!!!!!!

[grave geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Q-qu3hnWc&pp=ygUXU2F0YW5pc3QgTW9kZSBRdWVlbiBCZWU%3D idk satanist enough to know which is which

[dense sundial]

(AND YOU REALLY NEED TO PLAY ARMORED CORE™ VI FIRES OF RUBICON™, WHICH IS STILL FIFTY PERCENT OFF FOR TWO DAYS!!!!!)

[high scaffold]

Satanist is the definition of artificial difficulty and bad game design

[dense sundial]

in case you couldn't tell i have armored core rot

[grave geyser]

thats like

the intention

[high scaffold]

Which is good in this mod case

[grave geyser]

the point of satanist is to be the difficulty mode to end all difficulty modes

[dense sundial]

does it count as bad design when it's intentionally bad

[grave geyser]

yeah

[high scaffold]

Thats what I said

[stone fiber]

My calamity community would never

[plush carbon]

The joke is funny for 2 minutes max

[dense sundial]

i may be stupid

[plush carbon]

Same with gfb

[high scaffold]

2026 is gonna be so goog for terraria

[dusk bronze]

goog

[halcyon seal]

Insanely impressive clear but my gut is telling me it’s regular satanist and not satanist uhc

That’s some really funny tech tho

The instant potion of return

[high scaffold]

1.4.5, brainstorm, sso, fargos 2.0 being the biggest ones

Maybe a starlight river update

[grave geyser]

redemption 0.8

[halcyon seal]

Macrocosm’s probably getting stuff too right

[grave geyser]

is also coming this year

[halcyon seal]

That still isn’t out???

[grave geyser]

nope!

[high scaffold]

Maybe a random mod out of nowhere will turn out peak gaming

[stone fiber]

The humble souls dlc masodeath

[high scaffold]

Mod packs may rise

[stone fiber]

Masochistic you say?

[halcyon seal]

SGA 1.4 port trust

[high scaffold]

SGA?

[grave geyser]

split is getting ported at the end of the year if you believe in the meme hard enough

[dusk bronze]

is split having their own silksong

[high scaffold]

Has exxo avalon official collab been thrown out?

[grave geyser]

not quite

[stone fiber]

Do it

[grave geyser]

almost certainly though exxo avalon itself is still going to be updated (at least, I'm pretty sure it is)

[high scaffold]

Imagine an alternate reality where this collab became real

[stone fiber]

No
We already have in Fargo's

[high scaffold]

I actualy never played exxo avalon, is it good and should I try it?