calamity-update-talk

[azure oak]

exo mechs master drop

an entire tank

[tribal isle]

does that include expert rev or just master

[cunning sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/kindness-luigi-kindness-luigi-mario-64-mario-gif-17354374976308284087

[lapis oak]

segmented versions for lazy zoom on PC

[pulsar cobalt]

yes

[tribal isle]

yes to what 😭

[pulsar cobalt]

first one

[tribal isle]

ah ok

[lapis oak]

@teal bone hiiiii

[tribal isle]

is sso still coming in 2 parts

[azure oak]

oh boy can't wait for the brain of cthulhu to not be miserable in rev+

[inner timber]

he's actually going to be 5x worse

[inner timber]

maybe not

[lyric trellis]

Grand Dad is post-Signus

[lapis oak]

WHAT

😭

I'M JUST DONE EDITING

[high scaffold]

Cant wait fot the 30 minute long review video of Brainstorm update

[lapis oak]

WHERE WERE YOU 1 WEEK AGO

[lyric trellis]

Idk

Too busy not looking at the charts

Also Starfleet is Stratus tier

[lapis oak]

VRO

krilling myself...

[lyric trellis]

Also some mage guns were swapped around but idk if thats public

[high scaffold]

Thats just cyberbulling at this point

[lyric trellis]

Actually Kiri

[lapis oak]

it's not mentioned on changelogs dude these changeloggers need to add more information into the changelogs

[lyric trellis]

I’ll just send you something

[lapis oak]

vas?

[lyric trellis]

What is vas

[lapis oak]

what

[high scaffold]

In german

[wooden blade]

Vastaya

[lapis oak]

you're not sending anything am I being pranked?

[lyric trellis]

Patience

That’s the lesson in waiting for 2.1

[lapis oak]

I'll go editing again in the meantime... 💔

whatever u say guh

[azure oak]

we've technically only been waiting for brainstorm for a couple hours

[high scaffold]

One thing I noticed is that whip tag is displayed under enenmy

Which is nice

Making whip stacking better

[gloomy grove]

is that a whole ass tank???

[azure oak]

that is indeed a tank

[high scaffold]

An exotank

[plush carbon]

Brainstorm is One name for 2.1 certainly

[high scaffold]

It sure has a brain rework

[plush carbon]

The long awaited BoC overhaul

[high scaffold]

And waiting for it sure caused a storm in there

[lapis oak]

YEES

[cunning sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/birdbrain-teto-kasane-teto-jamiep-bop-gif-6775635206677407132

[gloomy grove]

blud done gone and built a whole vehicle

[high scaffold]

Reminder, Bountiful Harvest was 19 months ago

[azure oak]

i'd rather have this soon and sso later than have to wait for 1 oversized upate

[plush carbon]

Honestly, splitting SSO content into different updates for like a third time is a pretty good move here

Sso becomes less bloated with the sauce and something is actually put out

But holy shit to reach this point

[tribal isle]

bludtiful harvest

[high scaffold]

SSO being actualy about SSO

[plush carbon]

The previous update being BH has probably not helped matters

[wooden blade]

Am atleast glad that we'll have to wait less for the content that was planned since a year now

[high scaffold]

DoG rework

I think its gonna feel like 10-20 times better

Actual good attacks, fresh background that arent just plain bright colors, an overall dark fight with DoG segments glowing depending on the phase

[wooden blade]

I remember in the calcast they mentioned a fargo dev who was critical about calamity and said himself that the dog rework made him the best boss in the mod

So am interested to see it

[plush carbon]

hmm i wonder who that could be lol

[wooden blade]

Yeah

Wonder too

[high scaffold]

The update might make me intentionally choose crimson for the first time

[wooden blade]

Always was a crimson truther so it doesn't impact me

[azure oak]

i will play crimson

[lapis oak]

random jigachad

[wooden blade]

He will play crimson

[azure oak]

i want to shoot the reworked brain

[high scaffold]

But what class to choose

[azure oak]

ranged

is me favorite class and there are weapons that look fun

[high scaffold]

Honestly I havent played modded melee ever so far

And am gonna play summoner in vanila 1.4.5 so calamity melee it is

[wooden blade]

Play melee then

It's pretty fun especially with the weapons getting reworked

[high scaffold]

Melee is going to become more melee

[wooden blade]

Idk if i do summoner or rogue though

[high scaffold]

Rogue before stealth/focus rework? Yeah idk

[stable dove]

they're gonna make the burning sky not melee right

[wise bolt]

maybe sometime i should do a playthrough where i commit to a class. keep switching between like 5 weapons a boss

[wooden blade]

U never wanted to try rogue but sometimes i thibk it's time lmao

[wooden blade]

Calamity but you need to switch class for each mod

[cobalt wharf]

i don’t think it’s the time

[wooden blade]

Make it a youtube series

And profit

[wooden blade]

Yeah atp i'll ket rogue rot and get back to summoner

[wise bolt]

tru

[wooden blade]

Especially with the weapon reworks and whips ig?

Are whips coming in this update or no?

[hushed hazel]

i'm too summonerpilled to do anything else

[stable dove]

in my most recent playthrough with my friend, i was mage n he was rogue, and i was out damaging him by a fair margin the whole game until the end when he way way outclassed me

[cobalt wharf]

rogue has literally been sitting in a corner the entire like 2 year cycle of this update

[stable dove]

was i just doin skmething wrong

[wise bolt]

you'd have to ask someone else i just draw concept art

useless ass dev

[wooden blade]

Damn dude

Just don't be useless

[wise bolt]

holdon

[wise bolt]

u right. my bad bro

[wooden blade]

U good bro

[stable dove]

draw a motivational poster to expedite the mod development process

[wooden blade]

What did you wanted to say though

[stable dove]

+3% dev speed bonus from motivation attribute

[still bluff]

if rogue rebalance had been decided to be next instead of summoner, it probably would be fully done by now
ah well it's nearly summoning time

[wise bolt]

i was gonna ping one of the devs but im realizing i dont even know who to ping

[still bluff]

ping me

[wise bolt]

ok @still bluff

[still bluff]

thanks

[wooden blade]

Problem solved

[still bluff]

i don't do art sorry

[wise bolt]

awesome

[lapis oak]

@still bluff

[stable dove]

calamity mod avoiding making its own unique class good

[lapis oak]

no actually I need to DM you for some stuff

[still bluff]

i don't actually know if the whips are in this update lol

[wise bolt]

😭

[still bluff]

i think they're coming with the great summoner rebalance but that's not done yet

[wooden blade]

Damn no one knows jackshit 😭

[wooden blade]

Faire then Lmao

[lapis oak]

Fluffy check DM

[cobalt wharf]

what’s even left

[still bluff]

when 1.4.5 comes out? the entire class

[wooden blade]

Kiri are you some kind of secret agent or what

[cobalt wharf]

not ts again,,

[still bluff]

it's literally in a month schmoovi we're not doing it once early then doing a 10% reduction on everything and hoping it works

[high scaffold]

So, since SSO delayed by unknown amount of time, is brainstorm getting ported to tmod 1.4.5 once it comes out

[cobalt wharf]

i know im a broken record here but

😭

genuinely what do we expect

[still bluff]

if SSO's not done before then
tmod 1.4.5 won't be there for a while

[stable dove]

i can't wait to fight yharim in 10 years

[cobalt wharf]

maybe im silly

[tribal isle]

rome wasnt built in a day

[high scaffold]

Well, vanila 1.4.5 is in january, brainstorm is january-february, tmod is sometime later and Im not expecting SSO to come out anytime soon

[tribal isle]

sso tomorrow

[stable dove]

the sunken sea might or might not have been scorched in a day

[wooden blade]

Sso wasn't build in a dayyyy

[wise bolt]

tbh i think after brainstorm we'll probably be taking a bit of a break from sso to work on some more things that urgently need addressing. everyone is tired of being stuck in fish mines for 3 yrs but its kind of up in the air as to what is going to be done after

[still bluff]

ok
if we'd started properly before we knew anything about summoner changes, we would've kept going and done an adjustment. As soon as they announced they'd be making changes to balancing for the entire game for summoner, there was no point in taking the risk of the changes being big lol

[tribal isle]

soooo is sso still 2 parts

[still bluff]

there isn't a frantic rush to get this rebalance out, it's always been a "SSO part 2 probably" thing, which is not exactly close

[stable dove]

what is vanilla changing about summons beside adding whips?

[tribal isle]

idk

[stable dove]

thank you

[tribal isle]

what else do you need

[stable dove]

uhh

a lot of money for freeP

[tribal isle]

besides whips

[stuck kite]

vanilla is adding summon modifiers for 1.4.5 guess thats summ-thing

[wooden blade]

oh shit fr?

i forgot that part

[still bluff]

we don't really know the extent lol
it's at minimum a bunch of new whips and summon specific reforges

[tribal isle]

whens the end update dropping

[high scaffold]

Never

[still bluff]

yesterday

[high scaffold]

There wont be a 1.22

Nor 1.23

[wooden blade]

i don't like this decision ngl but eh

[stable dove]

1.21999983

[high scaffold]

26.1

[tribal isle]

watch them drop end update trailer same day as hytale drops

[stable dove]

is hytale cool

[tribal isle]

idk

[stable dove]

idk it doesn't look like my kinda thing

weird big eyes

[valid crypt]

Wait what the fuck we getting all the non sso stuff soon

[high scaffold]

Yes

[wooden blade]

game looks cool but it's clearly not finished (and it's the point, the game's not made to be complete on release)

[spark kiln]

let’s go

that’s what they should’ve been doing

[wooden blade]

yuh

[spark kiln]

release the individual reworks as its own update separate from ss

[deft lily]

burp

[wooden blade]

except for ds, crabulon, dragonfolly and T2 evil bosses

[wooden blade]

oughhhhhh

[wise bolt]

thank you umbara

[stable dove]

excuse you

[deft lily]

yw tofu user

[high scaffold]

Ds is sso, crabulon sso2, dragonfolly and evil t2 is sky overhaul

[stable dove]

ur pfp reminds me of that uhh big red bag magic weapon thing at the end of the game

the big chomper thing

cloud

[tribal isle]

its scp 939

[pseudo vector]

gm calamity update talk

[frail owl]

meow

[wise bolt]

cd ❗️

[wooden blade]

hellooooooooooooo

[stable dove]

good night

[deft lily]

Hi cd

[tribal isle]

good evening

[pseudo vector]

how are you guys feeling with the newsletter and the new website

[azure oak]

is good

[wooden blade]

it's great

[stable dove]

ist gut

[tribal isle]

dog rework

[spark kiln]

u right

i forgot what it’s called

coolest weapon ever but nobody uses it

[wooden blade]

thanks for the glimps on dog rework btw

am more hyped now

[stable dove]

greusome eminence

[spark kiln]

i’m very glad you guys decided to do this

[stable dove]

grahh blah blood agh

[valid crypt]

Excited that they have finally detached the sso and non sso stuff

[tribal isle]

hi lea

[spark kiln]

it didn’t make sense to hold off on new content for so long just because of the sunken sea even though so much unrelated stuff was finished

[valid crypt]

You will lose your teeth

[spark kiln]

ive been saying that the reworks should be released on their own

[deft lily]

My favorite part of the newsletter is tofus drawing

:D

[valid crypt]

True thosebare peak

[pseudo vector]

i’m honestly really glad that the response has been good, i was admittedly a bit nervous LOL

[wise bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370526525648015490/1428930213353361509/boppign.gif

[wooden blade]

considering they were about to rename it "modernisation update "instead of sso it was pretty obvious that they'd split the update again

[gloomy grove]

has it hit reddit yet

[spark kiln]

so what exactly isn’t in this update

[gloomy grove]

anything sso

[spark kiln]

not specific enough

i’m sure there’s other stuff

[wise bolt]

ya

[pseudo vector]

doze posted it on the reddit, i’ll have to take a look

[valid crypt]

Has it hit youtube

[wooden blade]

you really shouldn't honestly

[spark kiln]

are all the new accessories and stuff (not reworks but actual new items) in this

[deft lily]

cant wait for mura to make a video in 2 nano seconds

[stuck kite]

most things as long as they're not sunken sea

so bangles are in

[valid crypt]

Oh god ill go through all the comments on that

[spark kiln]

nice

[gloomy grove]

septillionth calamity short

[wooden blade]

one could say these new additions and reworks won't be sunk in the sea of content amiright?

[mystic eagle]

So SSO will be 2.2? Pretty funny

[stuck kite]

finished sunken sea stuff are also deliberately repealed from the update

[pseudo vector]

i regret going on reddit

[stuck kite]

happens

[wise bolt]

what happened

[mystic eagle]

SSO is the 2.2 of Calamity

[pseudo vector]

wow people are negative LOL

[stuck kite]

reddit

[wise bolt]

🥹

[stuck kite]

yeah

[wise bolt]

good grief

[mystic eagle]

Probably mad that SSO is not coming out soon

[pulsar cobalt]

omni gif

[wooden blade]

it's the cal subreddit there's nothing new

[stuck kite]

gimme updoods

[velvet egret]

What are the reworked bosses?

[wooden blade]

they're the same one who said that noxus was a better boss than aoe

so i wouldn't count on them for that

[mystic eagle]

I've got a question

Will SSO part 1 and 2 still be separate updates or are they going to be combined?

[spark kiln]

lmao reddit is negative about this?

[graceful ivy]

When are they not

[spark kiln]

how could you be negative about this

[gloomy grove]

reddit is hypercritical of anything that breathes its nothing new

[spark kiln]

it’s literally a complete positive

[mystic eagle]

Some people try to be negative all the time

[spark kiln]

“bro the update is taking so long” mfs when they get an update

[spark kiln]

this seems like a goomba image situation but it literally is just that

[twin juniper]

they ruined [things]

[velvet egret]

I think he prefers the relative simplicity of Noxus, as compared to AoE which is an even bigger spectacle than Noxus

[stuck kite]

some people just hate everything including themselves

[mystic eagle]

They RUINED SSO!!!

[twin juniper]

Offtopic but are free souls of night from smashing evil altar getting removed

[pseudo vector]

i’m seeing some people saying “can’t wait for them to nerf the fun stuff until it sucks”

[gloomy grove]

you are so right twelfth architect

[spark kiln]

ppl making up a situation and getting mad at it

lmao

[mystic eagle]

This update is pissing me off

I am the original Moon Walker

[spark kiln]

insane

[stuck kite]

not quite

[mystic eagle]

I don't like seeing my favourite weapons getting severe nerfs but yeah it has to happen for the better

[stuck kite]

pretty filler but it does serve a purpose

[velvet egret]

"filler" and its major boss reworks

[wooden blade]

if your weapon is used to cheese on bosses and the only part of it that's good being that it's op, then it deserves the nerf

[spark kiln]

yeah sure all the reworks are cool but what about the FISHING

EVERYONE fishes all day long in calamity

[stark pond]

so what will SSO be, SSO pt1's overhaul of boss and much of not-really-SSO related will be ripped from it and be the next update?

[pseudo vector]

i’d say there’s more weapon reworks and / or tweaks that bring them into the meta than take them out of the meta

[twin juniper]

Insert the saruman image

[mystic eagle]

Ehhh it's Hellborn and Slick Cane

[wooden blade]

acting like it's a competitive game holy fuck

can these guys get their mouth shut or what

[ivory lark]

guy who likes sitting around doing nothing: they added too many things to do this update :(

[gloomy grove]

to be fair people that are on reddit are usually in the same group as people that love to min max

no whimsy, only minmax

[pulsar cobalt]

not true at all

the people who like to minmax were actually in this discord, but theyve all left to secrecy

[mystic eagle]

I love minmaxing as long as the weapon is fun to use in itself and requires a risky playstyle, which I'm glad Hellborn is keeping with its rework

[pulsar cobalt]

(they just dont talk in here anymore)

[hushed hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

time is a flat circle

[wooden blade]

damn, every social media community sucks fr lmfaooo

[velvet egret]

minmaxxing is too much effort

i prefer just good enough

[hushed hazel]

i'm getting flashbacks to pre 1.5 when people were going "what the fuck why are they nerfing everything in post ml,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"

[wooden blade]

like am even more surprised that twitter OF ALL PLACES is positive about the update

[spark kiln]

yeah the update might be cool but what about skyblock

[velvet egret]

There is a line between optimizing builds to pure insanity to get marginally better stats

[spark kiln]

sorry i just can’t play calamity anymore because they made skyblock unplayable

[wooden blade]

can we kill people who talk like that? ( i am not serious btw i just hate this way of speaking)

[spark kiln]

no i wasn’t planning on playing skyblock

[stuck kite]

twiddling my thumbs going on about antifun as i be negative and antifun about a highly positive and much needed update

[hushed hazel]

okay i do want to remind people

[pulsar cobalt]

i love how the doze post is all positive but kiris post is all negative

@lapis oak you literally have a negativity aura

[velvet egret]

There's gonna be someone who is going to make an add-on or a modpack dedicated for calamity skyblock with their own exclusive items and mechanics

I'll bet

[gloomy grove]

i mean

[pulsar cobalt]

already a mod to revert crate changes

[pseudo vector]

i do just wish people would give us a chance before dismissing us completely because of previous fuck ups with the mod

[pulsar cobalt]

it was done in like 36 hours

[spark kiln]

oh shit

[gloomy grove]

that would be cool, if it isnt just rollbacking the changes

[spark kiln]

we will finally see the new labs

[wooden blade]

it's not even fuckups made by yall lmao most of the issues came from that pink gooning piece of shit

[hushed hazel]

no if you make a single error ever the mod is forever tainted and you are legally not allowed to try to fix it

sorry

[stuck kite]

💔

[spark kiln]

bro it’s not even that some people are genuinely permanently mad at the devs for nerfing fishing

like a complete personal grudge because of that

even if they’ve never fished in their lives

[wooden blade]

i thought people despised fishing in terraria

[pulsar cobalt]

we should complain to uhhhhh

lets complain to mor for not letting me do a fishing only run

[velvet egret]

I hate fishing

I hate the angler

I prefer the goldfish texture pack than the vanilla angler

[pseudo vector]

we’re in a new era, our vision for the mod is different and most importantly we can actually do things about the bosses that have plagued the mod for literal years

[pulsar cobalt]

(mor was the only mod i could think of that had like a large amount of content that prob wouldnt be doable with fishing lol)

[velvet egret]

Goldfish angler, my favorite

[gloomy grove]

tmodlet wants to play and interact with the game as little as possible

[wooden blade]

all am gonna say is: release the update, people will play it themselves and calm down after a week or two

[cobalt wharf]

the funniest part about the skyblock “““drama””” is the fact it was still just as doable as before the changes

[spark kiln]

people have been wallowing in their own negativity for so long that they’ve developed a genuine parasocial disgust against the devs

[wooden blade]

it's always been like that

[cobalt wharf]

challenge runners when they have to actually complete a challenge

[hushed hazel]

lmao

[velvet egret]

Speaking of texture packs, it's funny that the Terraria workshop is filled with gooners

[wooden blade]

but now i think there'll just be less negativity

[pulsar cobalt]

me when i have to take slightly longer to dupe ores:

[stable dove]

i enjoy fishing

[pseudo vector]

people are only mad about the fishing because chieflogan is mad about it, we made his challenge run harder, oops i guess

[velvet egret]

Maybe it's my skewed perception thanks tk yt shorts

[spark kiln]

this is what’s so crazy

[gloomy grove]

oh yeah this too

[spark kiln]

no dev should be designing a game around an arbitrary challenge run

[wooden blade]

people are being mad for someone else?

[pulsar cobalt]

oh no it isnt if you go to terrarias workshop its like nearly all that kind of stuff

[spark kiln]

if your run becomes impossible then change the challenge

[valid crypt]

Genuinely dont get why some are surprised or dont like it that something like skyblock is not accounted for when updating the mod

[wooden blade]

people dickride a person for changes they are not impacted on???

[spark kiln]

it’s not the devs responsibility to account for that

[wooden blade]

shockers

[cobalt wharf]

that’s how the internet space works now yea

[pseudo vector]

it was an unintentional consequence of a change we made

[cobalt wharf]

everybody needs to weigh in on their favorite influencers problems

[pseudo vector]

we didn’t make that change to make him mad or fuck up his run

[wooden blade]

well yeah lmao it's nothing new that's why i acted like that

[pulsar cobalt]

lots not mention that the changes were framed as if they targeted skyblock

(they werent)

((they were made over a fucking year ago))

[wooden blade]

people love speaking for their favorite youtuber

[graceful ivy]

Dont think its much worth thinking about because its such a small niche of ppl complaining over what is ultimately nothing because theres already a mod that reverts crates back

[pseudo vector]

we made that change to make those crates less cluttered

[gloomy grove]

from what ive seen, they treat it as if the team specifically did the change to spite the challenge

[graceful ivy]

Crate changes shouldnt really affect the average calamity run

[cobalt wharf]

i mean the last part isn’t really an argument but this is correct

you can make a mod that does anything

[spark kiln]

also i’ve seen people say “potential mod” in relation to this update

do they have any fucking clue what that means

[pseudo vector]

imma keep it a buck i had never heard of chieflogan before this situation so like

[graceful ivy]

Potential mod is hilarious

[pseudo vector]

not the best first impression tbh lol

[graceful ivy]

insane agenda for calamity

[spark kiln]

it’s not a potential mod if there’s quite literally a gigantic update coming soon

[pulsar cobalt]

i dont think you can make a mod to appease those kinds of people ngl

[gloomy grove]

the potential x meme kind of lost its meaning so bad

it used to be good slander...

[graceful ivy]

still is if you use it in the right context

[wooden blade]

i hope they did lmao

[gloomy grove]

yeah

[wooden blade]

cuz that's deserved

[gloomy grove]

its like 10x funnier if the person that made the slander knows the thing well

[wooden blade]

if this is the way you'll behave then it's deserved

[stuck kite]

yeah the crate changes were made in 2024
the mining set fix is recent but people who used it should be cognizant they are exploiting an unintended thing so what are they on about

[pulsar cobalt]

anyways theres a comment in a certain place about a certain topic and it basically says "over the past few years all theyve done is nerfs and removals" so i was thinking about wouldnt it be funny if i just replied with every rework, addition and buff in the past 4 years or whatever

[valid crypt]

OH LMAO

[mystic eagle]

Do it

[pulsar cobalt]

id need to make an account but whatever

[stuck kite]

please do

[wooden blade]

do

[pulsar cobalt]

ok altix u convinced me

🙏

[stuck kite]

because im pretty sure theres more buffs slash player conveniences than nerfs

[lapis oak]

JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT A DEV

[stuck kite]

so like easier recipes does constitute a buff if you wanna count that

[lapis oak]

JUST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE DEV ROLE

[pulsar cobalt]

TRUE

[lapis oak]

LOOK AT HOW NICE DOZE'S POST COMMENT SECTION IS BECAUSE HE'S A DEV

[pseudo vector]

brainstorm is literally a massive qol update alongside everything else it does

[spark kiln]

prob not within the reddit character limit ngl

[lean relic]

do it 🫵

[pulsar cobalt]

i do not give a fuck

[lapis oak]

PEOPLE FOLD WHEN AN ACTUAL DEV SHOWS UP NOT SOME RANDOM LIKE ME

[cobalt wharf]

correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure they just didn’t say that directly ever
summon modifiers doesn’t inherently mean buff, new whips shouldnt change much of minion-specific balancing since in the ideal world those don’t get broken by items with specific functions (and if they do it’s the whips problem, like firecracker)

[stuck kite]

people who complain might wanna subject themselves to grinding 2500 nightmare fuel to craft an eye of extinction

[pulsar cobalt]

i will USE FUCKING PASTEBIN IF I HAVE TO

[spark kiln]

people are so tunnel visioned on new bosses they are blind to the dog and boc reworks

[stuck kite]

that shit used to be real

[mystic eagle]

Literally massive changes alongside everything else it does*

Calling it a QoL update is, wait why am I deciding that

[cobalt wharf]

i assume we mean qol update by the actual definition of qol rather than making gameplay faster

[stuck kite]

its simultaneously a qol update a performance update a major content update

[cobalt wharf]

as in making shit nicer

[wooden blade]

am more than happy that the update focuses more on reworks and changes to the mod than just adding things anyway so i'm excited

[stuck kite]

so youre not completely wrong calling it qol i guess

[gloomy grove]

what is blud doing floating right there

[spark kiln]

can’t wait to see the changes that have been in the changelogs for like 2 years

[pseudo vector]

it basically has changes in all areas of the game

[stuck kite]

also kind of yeah its more like quality of the game

[pulsar cobalt]

ngl smoking comet feels like a 1.5 weapon not a 2.0.2 weapon

[stuck kite]

its not the stereotyped terraria definition of qol

[stuck kite]

donor weapon designs are a bit of a time capsule

[spark kiln]

we’re getting fraud and 2.1 soon it’s gonna be crazy

and i’ve got exams in january

[pulsar cobalt]

1.4.5 too

[spark kiln]

yall tryna sabotage me

[stuck kite]

👀

colluding with 1.4.5

[cobalt wharf]

fraud 1.4.5 actually sorry

[spark kiln]

half the stuff shown for 1.4.5 is like “you can pet the guide now” so i don’t really care

[cobalt wharf]

the palworld update

[jagged cliff]

Forgetting about the 5 new whips

[spark kiln]

i’m sure there’s a lot of big stuff that hasn’t been shown but till it’s shown idc that much

[wooden blade]

Sea of sorrow january/february

[stuck kite]

1.4.5 gives us free hype and publicity

[jagged cliff]

also clouds from slimes

and purely platform npc housing

[hushed hazel]

hype moments and aura for free?

splendid

[jagged cliff]

so we can get even cheaper

[hoary meteor]

It's like over 10

Pretty crazy

[cobalt wharf]

i wonder if 1.4.5 whips will actually tackle the issue of whips being really not distinct from eachother or if it’ll just be another thing like broadswords again where they’re all the same

[stuck kite]

a win for terraria is kind of a win for everyone

[spark kiln]

vanilla needs a yoyo rework man all the yoyos are the same with stat tweaks except terrarian

[wooden blade]

I think there'll be whips for every part of the game now

[jagged cliff]

I think they will be iterations on the same 2 whip subcategories

[wooden blade]

So summoners don't have to depend on a few whips

[cobalt wharf]

2?

[jagged cliff]

Yeah fast summons and high dps slow summons

[cobalt wharf]

oh

[jagged cliff]

Like firecracker paired with desert tiger staff

[hoary meteor]

Web whip, Corruption whip, crimson whip, starlash, martian/duke whip, moon lord whip and I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting about cuz

[wooden blade]

Slime whip

[cobalt wharf]

personally i don’t feel like that reallyyyyy counts since it’s more of a loadout selection thing rather than a tangible gameplay impact but that’s imo

[jagged cliff]

Probably adding more long ranged whips

[cobalt wharf]

range is a good thing to play with true

[hoary meteor]

They showed off one new yoyo bag. I'm hoping there's more

[wooden blade]

[jagged cliff]

Thats my biggest gripe is that sometimes whips are entirely unusable to use on certain bosses in modded

[hoary meteor]

A full yoyo overhaul would be cool

[wooden blade]

I mean

[pseudo vector]

feels nice to be able to go on the website without having to pull from the github and press the "go live" button every time i want to look at it

[jagged cliff]

I'm honestly just excited to get the magic yoyo bag

I've always wanted more viable options for early hardmode yoyos

[wooden blade]

Vanilla was never planned to be played on modded, what's balanced in vanilla is made to be balanced in vanilla

This includes whips

[pseudo vector]

oh yeah what is you guys' favourite website theme

[hoary meteor]

Devouring

[mystic eagle]

Abyssal

[amber furnace]

the what?

[jagged cliff]

Leaked item coming in 1.4.5

[azure oak]

I like purple but red is nice too

[amber furnace]

hmmm nice

[pseudo vector]

as in these

[amber furnace]

very convenient since I wanted to do a yoyo pt soon

[hoary meteor]

Magic yoyo bag spawns a yoyo that bounces around separately from yours

[wooden blade]

Yeah i deleted as soon as i understood what you meant

I really really love abyssal ngl

[amber furnace]

I like calamitous

[valid crypt]

Devouring my fav

[spark kiln]

https://calamitymod.com/download.html

check out this page

has some other teasers

shows some of the new labs and also the new sunken sea tile sprites

[jagged cliff]

ngl that feels like bait

[spark kiln]

ok bro

[jagged cliff]

when did this come out?

[cunning sequoia]

oh hey thats the guy i replied to

[spark kiln]

does this look like bait too

[wooden blade]

Just wanted to say that i like the new visual updates on the providence image

[cunning sequoia]

and got downvote bombed for saying "there are features in the next update that AREN'T just nerfs you know"

[jagged cliff]

No I just mean like the way you kept making the link more enticing made it sound like you were baiting us into something

[wooden blade]

Hey the arrows change direction depending on the color of the background

[lapis oak]

ENNWAY GOAT 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[lapis oak]

also his body gems

[mystic eagle]

Looks like Catastrophe is getting changed attacks and there's an Atom Splitter rework

[high scaffold]

Yummy sea prisms

[wooden blade]

Does he have a different ai depending on the background color?

But this time it's not centipede slop?

[spark kiln]

doesn’t he already do this

[wooden blade]

This guy's so good at what he does dude

[mystic eagle]

Frost bolt rework??

[wooden blade]

So happy he's on the team

[mystic eagle]

Not exactly what is shown in the image

[cobalt wharf]

more like visuals

[high scaffold]

We knew about it long ago

[pseudo vector]

both the ice and fire books have been reworked

that and the combined book

[cobalt wharf]

it’s still a projectile that goes straight and pierces so

[wooden blade]

wait yeah you're right that's a neat detail

[amber furnace]

Frost bolt rework??

[jagged cliff]

Did the devourer always have mouth animations or is that new?

[mystic eagle]

Providence looks much smaller now

[spark kiln]

blue is fireball phase purple is laser phase

🤔

[lapis oak]

yes that is new

[pseudo vector]

its just a really zoomed out screenshot lol

[high scaffold]

Much better glow

[spark kiln]

she don’t look smaller to me

[vocal kelp]

Dude the bloom dude

[jagged cliff]

I thought that desert scourge had some controversy around it

Why is it still being used in official promo?

[cobalt wharf]

remember that the flowers here are like 6x9 each

[spark kiln]

blud is turning

[wooden blade]

doubt it cuz in the video, dog is in his laser phase when he's blue

[spark kiln]

rework isn’t finished

[pseudo vector]

the rework isn't done yea

[mystic eagle]

Video from the website

[pseudo vector]

we kinda just have to use it for the time being

[cobalt wharf]

i get why caldev is afraid to show any unfinished content now but it feels so lame

[mystic eagle]

Old Duke changes

[pseudo vector]

i have the uncompressed version since i was the one who edited the montage

[wide nova]

hi

[amber furnace]

old duke mentioned

[wooden blade]

ew

[jagged cliff]

Is there a new tileset with the ocean?

I can't tell if its spooky wood or not

[pseudo vector]

again shoutout to metarex, xyk and sagittariod for being a huge help in gathering clips

[spark kiln]

why is there a clip of someone fighting leviathan completely still lol

[pseudo vector]

new tile

driftwood

[jagged cliff]

Actually can't wait to use that in sulfurous sea builds

I always thought the base woodset was too nice looking

[spark kiln]

which class should i play first

[jagged cliff]

Probably ranger

[woeful yarrow]

AwwwwA

[spark kiln]

prob melee

[pseudo vector]

i would personally recommend mage but that's my bias from being a mage main

[spark kiln]

i’ve already played a lot of ranger

[valid crypt]

None
Use whatever fun silly weapon you want to at that tier

[jagged cliff]

Ranger is getting a ton of reworks for a lot of important weapons

[spark kiln]

i can do ranger later

[spark kiln]

no thanks

[pseudo vector]

mage has so fucking many reworks

[jagged cliff]

Plus I think it would pair well with the transformer rework

[woeful yarrow]

The next update gonna add few structures?if yes .. what biome are they themed

[jagged cliff]

Sunken Sea

[woeful yarrow]

I said structures

[jagged cliff]

and a few more like the new roxcalibur structure

[wooden blade]

considering the update might release with 1.4.5 i'd say summoner

[pseudo vector]

all of the draedon labs have been reworked

[spark kiln]

HELL nah

[wooden blade]

FUCK YOU?????

[pseudo vector]

you can see a couple of them on the website

[jagged cliff]

there were ideas of a new desert scourge nest

[woeful yarrow]

Good

[jagged cliff]

but it's not confirmed

[wooden blade]

it still is

i think it'll even serve as an arena to fight it

[spark kiln]

they’re talking about 2.1 aren’t they

[pseudo vector]

i did a playthrough with mage earlier this year when i first rejoined calamity and there are so many reworked mage weapons throughout the game

[spark kiln]

that isn’t in 2.1

[pseudo vector]

mage fans eating good this update

[wooden blade]

yall are so lucky it's insane

[amber furnace]

what about true melee

[jagged cliff]

ngl I have a hard time telling what is in the next update

[pseudo vector]

true melee has got some love too

[wooden blade]

did summoner or ranged atleast get some crumbs ? : (

[tribal isle]

do u know if sso is still 2 parts

[spark kiln]

sunken sea related stuff isn’t

[woeful yarrow]

I hope the mod won't be heavier

[spark kiln]

yes bro

ranger has the most reworks

[jagged cliff]

Summoners getting a feast bro

Same with ranger

[wooden blade]

... should i go summoner or ranged

idk

[tribal isle]

melee has always been left out

[iron dew]

even if the update released at the same time as 1.4.5 it wouldnt mean anything because tML would have yet to start porting

[spark kiln]

+30MB

[spark kiln]

no tf it hasn’t

[wooden blade]

i love summoner but i want to see if ranged became fun

[jagged cliff]

legit the class that gets the 2nd most reworks

[woeful yarrow]

I don't talk about the size

[jagged cliff]

Abyssal blade, devestation line, comet line, ark line, biome blade line

[woeful yarrow]

I mean the resources sucking

[jagged cliff]

off the top of my head

[tribal isle]

i hope final weapons of the ark line will be less dogshit

[pseudo vector]

oh the optimisation is significantly better if you're mentioning that

[spark kiln]

they already aren’t??

[woeful yarrow]

Very good

[jagged cliff]

like they look dogshit or aren't good in the meta

[spark kiln]

ark of the elements and cosmos are great weapons

[mystic eagle]

Wow you want them to be S tiers??

[jagged cliff]

theres a pretty clear distinction

[tribal isle]

arent good in the meta

[pseudo vector]

some essential fixes were made in the back end and the mod runs SO MUCH better now

[amber furnace]

awesome

[mystic eagle]

AotE is like a mid A tier and AotC a high A Tier

[jagged cliff]

stop playing to the meta you nerd

[cedar mist]

cosmos gets overshadowed by other options when you get it

[woeful yarrow]

We don't wanna suffer from more optimization problem in the modded terraria community

[mystic eagle]

It's the best melee weapon for SCal first

[cedar mist]

true

[tribal isle]

dude if the weapon named "ark of the cosmos" which we were reaching for throughout the whole game has mid ass stats why would i even use it

[pseudo vector]

testing shit for brainstorm got me using weapons and accessories i've never used before

[wooden blade]

i mean if your point is to just finish off bosses quickly and easily then sure

[woeful yarrow]

Specially with the unoptimized engine

[mystic eagle]

Except it doesn't have mid stats like at all

[jagged cliff]

honestly I think if Cosmos got a buff to its parry I think it could be S tier

[wooden blade]

if it's just for fun then idk, i think cosmos does a good job at it

[spark kiln]

it doesn’t have mid stats and it’s a sick ass weapon that’s why

[cedar mist]

ark is also harder to use

[jagged cliff]

Its just hard to use

[cedar mist]

but its fun

[jagged cliff]

That doesn't mean its a bad weapon

[cedar mist]

true

[wooden blade]

hard =/= bad

[wooden blade]

i thought you were mentioning a part of the bible

[pseudo vector]

more interesting to use weapons can be extremely good to use when you learn them

[wooden blade]

yeah

[pseudo vector]

i like weapons that aren't just "swing aimlessly and win"

[woeful yarrow]

Only dog gonna get rework on this update?

[jagged cliff]

Thats exactly what the ark line is

[cedar mist]

they should buff ark parry

[wooden blade]

weapons that have interesting mechanics to adapt to>>>>>>>>>>>>> op weapons

[jagged cliff]

But the ark doesn't feel rewarding enough for good gameplay

[wooden blade]

ehhhhhhhhh i disagree

i think it does a good job at making lots of damage if you know how to parry and aim

[jagged cliff]

It takes a lot of effort to attempt to parry mid fight and just to maybe cut off like 20 seconds to the fight

[cedar mist]

it just isnt as rewarding to learn

[wide nova]

🙂‍↕️

[gloomy grove]

monster hunter 🗣️ 🔥

[mystic eagle]

This would be S tier without its minimal effort to learn it

[ivory lark]

for reference, we optimized 2 entire real life minutes of lag out of a fight. but the lag wasn't specific to a fight. it was lagging all the time and it usually just wasn't busy enough to notice it.

[cedar mist]

they could buff the damage multiplier to last a bit longer

[jagged cliff]

I think that would be the best thing to do

[mystic eagle]

Why would they

[jagged cliff]

Pretty sure they did do that though

[mystic eagle]

AotC is already really darn strong and it has no need for any buffs

[twin juniper]

There’s brain of Cthulhu

[iron dew]

what fight had 2 entire minutes of lag wtf

[woeful yarrow]

I know about it

[jagged cliff]

It makes the weapon feel more rewarding for doing a parry

[woeful yarrow]

Any other?

[stuck kite]

half the utility of a parry is that it is a parry so i think that one is okay

[woeful yarrow]

And also

[pseudo vector]

DoG and rev+ brain of cthulhu are getting the most significant work, but old duke and provi are also getting visual reworks, ravager and cultist got some fight changes as well

[twin juniper]

Calclone get a box

[mystic eagle]

Well if you used it properly, you're able to have an upkeep of the parry charge for 100% of the time

[pseudo vector]

cal clone got a new arena and scal's arena now has much nicer visuals

[stuck kite]

blocking upfront damage + damage boost

[jagged cliff]

Calclone's adaptive box changes the fight prett significantly

[woeful yarrow]

What about the most unoptimized
Exo mechs

[wooden blade]

hope the exos and dog don't make my 16gb core 6 gtx 1630 pc explode to ashes

[woeful yarrow]

Dog is very normal for me

[wooden blade]

depends for me lol

[woeful yarrow]

But exo mechs

[jagged cliff]

I'm just talking about how the weapon feels, nobody likes to play perfectly 100% of the time

[pseudo vector]

the optimisations the coders have made effect basically the whole game

[twin juniper]

Later

[wooden blade]

he's talking abt the the optimisation not the rework you silly

[woeful yarrow]

I hope the exo mechs won't lag when I'm hitting them with dragon bow

[jagged cliff]

Is there a new asgardian aegis player sprite?

[pseudo vector]

i haven't tested exos (mainly because i don't want to fight them) but i'll have to report back however the fight is optimisation-wise

[jagged cliff]

I mean asgards valor

not aegis

[cedar mist]

tcould they balance ark by making the boost deal less damage for more boost time?

[pseudo vector]

asgard's valor got resprited yes

[woeful yarrow]

Try please

[jagged cliff]

I think that would just make the weapon a lot less viable for actually getting good times

[wooden blade]

when they're cooking your goat but they're right

[vale lodge]

Flashback to the entire game lagging when I equip https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity

[wise bolt]

stop neglecting ur kids bro

[pseudo vector]

they are not my children

[wise bolt]

ok john exos

[pseudo vector]

i hate them

[woeful yarrow]

Please test exo mechs

Between all the bosses

[lapis oak]

your, children, sir

[woeful yarrow]

This is the most unoptimized thing I've ever seen

[cedar mist]

dron exo mech

[wooden blade]

oh my fucking god no

he's back

[pseudo vector]

its almost like i'm opening my game rn to do so (scal gear also works for exos so)

[wooden blade]

the dron

mmmmmfg the wings

[vale lodge]

After all you are forced to fight them to beat the mod

[wise bolt]

what is his fucking problem

[cedar mist]

whys dron fucking huge?

[woeful yarrow]

Switching to weapons like the 2nd sword from the iridescent Excalibur line or the dragon bow fucked my pc

[cedar mist]

i dont remember him being that big

[woeful yarrow]

But i remember he have a gaming chair

[wooden blade]

not a problem for me 🤤

[cedar mist]

hes almost the same size as my yhon drip

[wise bolt]

oh my god

[woeful yarrow]

Sus

[vale lodge]

Will you still get a starter bag no matter the difficulty

[twin juniper]

draerdron’s secret brother

[cedar mist]

yharim car

[amber furnace]

dron 😭😭😭😭😭 im crine

[jagged cliff]

charim

[cedar mist]

yhim when?

[wooden blade]

why is no one talking about mitas

[mystic eagle]

Amidas

[wooden blade]

amidas_ow2

[cedar mist]

because Pler gth

[vital hornet]

there's no way it's finally happening

[cedar mist]

whats happening?

[vital hornet]

calamity's getting updated

[pseudo vector]

read #mod-announcements

(and go visit the website)

[vital hornet]

i got so used to the calamity update being this ephemeral always in the future thing that was never actually closer to being here

this is very good news

[pseudo vector]

okay so unfortunately exos still lag, thanatos' fat ass is still laggy as fuck

[azure oak]

Big worm

[jagged cliff]

what armor set is this from the video?

Is that the arsenal armor?

[azure oak]

Xyk's vanity set

[jagged cliff]

oh

[ivory lark]

profile it

[gloomy grove]

kill thanatos

[amber furnace]

thats my armour

[wooden blade]

that's just thanatos being thanatos

[stark quail]

so excited for the new update :o

im so happy DoG is getting reworked..:

[jagged cliff]

Genuinely playable boss? 🥹

[stark quail]

ill also have to try another run at some point to see the BoC changes tbh

[stark quail]

AWESOME

I wanna do mage at some point so its cool its getting a lot of reworks

[woeful yarrow]

Ohhh my god

[spark kiln]

is arsenal armor 1 in this one

funny how it was supposed to be in bountiful harvest

[woeful yarrow]

Is there any possibility to optimiz them before releasing the update? Or at least in sunken sea update

[pseudo vector]

just profiled them for jasper to take a look at

[fast pilot]

this new update will include the new reworked dog and yharon sprites?

[woeful yarrow]

Oh
Ok

[vale lodge]

No

[woeful yarrow]

No

[fast pilot]

ah

[pseudo vector]

no

[valid crypt]

Nop

[fast pilot]

too bad

😭

[pseudo vector]

chances are the giant DoG sprite may not be used, as much as it would be cool designing a fight around it would be extremely difficult to make enjoyable or playable

[cedar mist]

dog when he doesnt get his 10 billionth resprite

[pseudo vector]

dog hasn't gotten a resprite in like 6 years what are you talking about

[fast pilot]

really? wow

[cedar mist]

still the most resprited boss

[pseudo vector]

yeah but its been forever lmao

[cedar mist]

true

[hallow thunder]

his current sprite was made before dokuro even left

[cedar mist]

are number 2 and 3 on the resprite record both calamitas?

[valid crypt]

Calamity fans reusing the same joke for over half a decade when the boss hasnt even been resprited in like 6 years

[amber furnace]

I swear DoG got a new sprite during covid era it was something that I vividly remember witnessing
maybe I have dementia

good thing theres treatment for dementia now

[woeful yarrow]

What if you make it smaller

[gloomy bridge]

You might be remembering the Iban DoG being shown off
Though I don't remember when that was first revealed

[woeful yarrow]

Or at least the same size as now

[agile citrus]

22

[pseudo vector]

we may make him slightly bigger, but nowhere near as big as he is in the giant sprite that heart made

[valid crypt]

Mixel hell

[gloomy bridge]

Yeah
The Heart sprite, good as it was, was WAYY too big to be workable

[cedar mist]

new phase 1 being bigger than current phase 2 is crazy

[valid crypt]

And also the design itself is questionable in the hpu sprite imo

[pseudo vector]

again, chances are those sprites won't end up getting used unfortunately due to the issues we mentioned

[amber furnace]

yeah probably, do you know where I can see the sprite for myself to see if thats the one I recognised

[jagged cliff]

they should edit tommorows another day onto the devourers head

and that will be the new sprite

[cedar mist]

new dog resprite

[pseudo vector]

designing the boss fight first is more important than the sprite imo

we can make a sprite look good but if the fight sucks then what's the point

[fast pilot]

true

[gloomy grove]

^

[high scaffold]

The sprite is a cherry on top

[hoary edge]

so true

[high scaffold]

Makes the good fight better

[fast pilot]

well even if we dont get that giant desing, the battle rework seems cool from what ive seen

[cedar mist]

the dog concept was insane tho

[modern grove]

None of his previously used designs were good

[barren nacelle]

I’ve seen many a mod where the boss fights are fun but by god are they ugly to look at

[modern grove]

They all were slight iterations of a sprite that came before

[barren nacelle]

You don’t like purple destroyer with spikes?

[cedar mist]

the destroyer clone was funny

the concept where his phase 1 could eat current phase 2 dog whole is kinda crazy tho

[modern grove]

Ideally a new dog design should be, yk, properly designed and thought out and made from scratch, without iterating the previous design

[cedar mist]

is he going to still be a worm tho?

[valid crypt]

Did i misread something on the newsletter why are people saying this today

[royal garnet]

Anyone able to provide a list of new (not reworked, new) stuff in brainstorm?

[modern grove]

Well he's most definitely going to be a segmented enemy

If that's what you mean by worm

I don't see a world where they make him not segmented

But it could be neat in a theoretical scenario

[cedar mist]

he could be like sepulcher and have arms

[dusk bronze]

@arctic cliff

[spark kiln]

they’d be stupid to make dog not a worm

[gloomy grove]

why not

[spark kiln]

it’s a core part of his identity

[cedar mist]

they could make dog look as fucked up as possible

[cedar mist]

turn him into a real dog

[modern grove]

Sepulcher is still a segmented enemy

[cedar mist]

more centipede looking

[modern grove]

But it is probably more unique than all other cal worms currently

New DS is also going to be a new neat thing

Lizard salamander guy

[cedar mist]

because dog looks a lot like desert and aqua scourge

[modern grove]

Still segmented, but not following the generic tmod worm formula

[valid crypt]

Still a worm enemy

[modern grove]

Dog looks like 90% of tmod worm enemies

[spark kiln]

i find it ridiculous that they spent so much time making a massive dog resprite, advertised it heavily, when they weren’t even convinced they wanted to do a big worm boss in the first place

[modern grove]

Hpu just felt like doing new dog sprite

Thats the reason lol

And it was shown to public because it was leaked

[cedar mist]

would be funny if they turned dog into a dog

[modern grove]

For real give dog mammalian traits

Very abstract and not direct

(I'm not being fully serious but it can work depending on how you do the design

[spark kiln]

well yeah that’s the issue

sprite came before the boss design

and it being leaked still doesn’t justify making it this big thing if they weren’t absolutely sure they would go through with it

[agile citrus]

A reason why companies use capsules and cubes first to test things. Lesson learned.

[cunning sequoia]

hello metarex

[agile citrus]

Ghalloha

[wooden blade]

basically there was barely any communication in the team at the time atp

so things weren't planned the way they should be

[stark quail]

im kinda excited to try the new calclone fight

cuz that fight was my favorite calamity fight somehow

[stone fiber]

So uhh
If brainstorm will be 2.1
Does this mean that SSO is 2.2? :gulpsplosion:

[cunning sequoia]

the curse

[spark kiln]

that tracks considering sso will never come out

[modern grove]

Also yeah I think ideally the design should be properly integrated into the fight. In my opinion it's an issue with a lot of cal bosses (admittedly the old ones) when they have abstract designs and they don't really matter in the design. You can replace those abstract shapes design with anything else the same shape and it won't change the fight at all. Like crabulon, its design admittedly isn't that abstract but you can replace it with anything else vaguely mushroom themed and it won't change anything

Thinking about it I think it's the reason for constant boss reworks and changes throughout cal history. Boss designs weren't important for a fight, they just were an image for a hotbox and general theme of a fight, and they always were resprited into the same thing but slightly different.

[agile citrus]

Wouldn’t call it ‘lack of any communication’. More a kind of hubris and partial obliviousness. There were no ill-intentions and we were excited for it. But as mentioned earlier. We should have tested something with cubes n capsules beforehand to give an idea how it looks and feels in game

[stark quail]

7 years for the next update its over

[tired wyvern]

so based on the newsletter i assume the Brainstorm update has a rework of DoG but not the MEGA DoG rework with the new massive sprite shown earlier this year

[jagged cliff]

Massive sprite isn't being implemented ever

[modern grove]

The massive sprite may not make it into the game

[tired wyvern]

oh what

[jagged cliff]

HPU left the team

[tired wyvern]

ah right

[modern grove]

And didn't finish it

[jagged cliff]

so nobody else wants to work on that monster of a sprite

[valid crypt]

Hpu left and the sprite wasnt finished before that

[tired wyvern]

rip

[modern grove]

((also the design can be significantly improved and making a new one would be better than finishing this one just saying

[spark kiln]

the sprite probably isn’t the issue here

[jagged cliff]

DOG gameplay is currently very mundane

The rework looks very exciting

[spark kiln]

the sprites are very far into development, i’m sure finishing them up wouldn’t be a hugely difficult task

[tired wyvern]

you do it then /j

[spark kiln]

it’s not about whether they can it’s about whether they should

and it seems they think they shouldn’t so

[tired wyvern]

true

[jagged cliff]

Massive sprites also require massive gore

[modern grove]

I need to do some terraria gore sprites soon it seems fun

[jagged cliff]

Finishing the sprites genuinely would take more time than making new ones entirely

[tired wyvern]

[spark kiln]

highly doubt it man

[agile citrus]

Yes. Had my work cut out for me.

[jagged cliff]

also they never found a way to make the size change reflect the gameplay well

[spark kiln]

even with the gore

[plush carbon]

im kinda glad that DoG sprite is probably not coming

[jagged cliff]

Yeah I think the devs can definitely brainstorm something more unique

[fringe quiver]

Replicating someone elses artstyle is hard + its Fucking Huge

[agile citrus]

[jagged cliff]

I liked HPU's design for the quality but it felt like it was too similar to the current design

[fringe quiver]

Haha brainstorm

[jagged cliff]

Most of this has been said before though

[vale lodge]

Also it sucks having to make an actual good rework with it

[agile citrus]

Was based on the album art.

[plush carbon]

it is
a very divisive sprite

[jagged cliff]

Yharon resprite when?

[hasty tangle]

i do think a massive dog would have been cool but i care far more about the fight actually being good

[modern grove]

Idk about more time but like, finishing the sprite that was started by a different person isn't as easy as it sounds lol. You can't just throw some random shit together you need to understand the thought process of the design you're finishing. And the issue with hpu dog design is that there wasn't much thought if we're being honest, and like, it's just not worth the time of thinking of something for this design when you can just make a new one. It's much easier and faster when you know what you're doing, you don't need to work in the restrictions of the previous one

[wooden blade]

ohh ok

[agile citrus]

Eventually

[jagged cliff]

I'm not really being serious

[wooden blade]

also ngl hpu's artstyle is like, very unique

[agile citrus]

continues eating chicken nuggets while we still can

[wooden blade]

so it's more complicated to replicate it cuz there's a lot of details

[plush carbon]

the ultimate calamity style.......

[jagged cliff]

Also HPU's sprite removed the nebula tail

So thats why I don't want it to be implemented

[stone fiber]

Wait, wasn't abyss planned to be reworked in SSO part 2 or something like that?

[wooden blade]

i don't mind it

i like the rest

[jagged cliff]

No idea about the abyss reworks

[wooden blade]

now i just want to know if it'll be a dragon like iban's concept, a worm or a mix of both

[plush carbon]

my big issue with the sprite is why are you making it before you know if you're even gonna be able to go through with the idea

[jagged cliff]

but the next stepping stone seems to be a sky island rework

[fringe quiver]

Not really

[wooden blade]

sky rework in general

[jagged cliff]

Devs announced a lot of content on the sky islands/aerie during calcast

[fringe quiver]

Just eventually, Sometime ™

[jagged cliff]

This would include the rework of the aerialite armor set aswell

Which would make sense progression wise

[wooden blade]

and dragonfolly

[agile citrus]

Those will come eventually

[azure oak]

not the aerie, aerie is for one of if not the last update

[jagged cliff]

Yes dragonfolly getting retiered

Isn't it to post evils?

[wooden blade]

yeah

he replaces HM and perforators

[jagged cliff]

Entirely

or just for aerialite

[fringe quiver]

Entirely

[valid crypt]

Evil 2 goes to post ml

[jagged cliff]

I see

Honestly good riddance

[fringe quiver]

Evil2 ge - yeag

[jagged cliff]

No idea lore-wise why evils 2 should unlock aerialite

other than nostalgia factor

[wooden blade]

so basically don't clean up the evil biomes before moonlord

[fringe quiver]

Fighting evil2 immediately after evil1

Good Game Design

[jagged cliff]

well originally it was so you could have both styles of boss fights in 1 world

[valid crypt]

Yes cause hivemind plays like boc

[jagged cliff]

but perforators is so seperate from a worm boss now that they play completely differently

[wooden blade]

i mean perforators were supposed to be crimsons EOW, while hm is corruption's boc which would've been good but it just makes the corruption and crimson even more forgettable

like all the evil biome stuff is in phm

that's it

[jagged cliff]

yeah

[wooden blade]

nothing in hardmode and post ml

[jagged cliff]

No point in having it

post mechs

[wooden blade]

so i'm glad they're getting retiered to being more interesting as exclusive bosses

[fringe quiver]

There's evil biome stuff in hm but its just vanilla

[modern grove]

🐱 I think ideally dog redesign should be intertwined with the distortion update. Not just, implemented in this update, but made during its development. Dog is a part of distortion and so you need to know what distortion even looks like lol. Otherwise your dog design you made 6 years before the distortion might look out of place in it, and would need to be redesigned again. Or (worse alternative) you'd need to retroactively design distortion in a way your dog you made 6 years ago won't look out of place, but it would be suffocating for artists because it's not fun to have this kind of restrictions

[wooden blade]

that's the issue it's just in vanilla + there's no bosses

[jagged cliff]

I think a lot of the subworlds are either being changed or scrapped

[wooden blade]

it was always planned to be made for the distortion update

[jagged cliff]

Too much work to put on the devs to do both for 1 rework

[fringe quiver]

They arent

[azure oak]

the distortion would cover a lot of post-ml content

[fringe quiver]

Its literally just 2 subworlds

[wooden blade]

2 actually, dog and cv

[modern grove]

Yeah but the team still has no idea what distortion looks like I'm pretty sure

[wooden blade]

and maybe signus and sw atp

[fringe quiver]

Always has been

[modern grove]

Maybe like general vibes

[jagged cliff]

Plus the gameplay factor is a lot more essential than the quality of life

[modern grove]

But there's no concept art no nothing

[wooden blade]

so dragon aerie and distortion will be the only 2 sub biomes then

[azure oak]

it's still way too far away

[jagged cliff]

We can see glimpses from the visual overhaul DOG got

Its definitely purple and blue

we know that

okay maybe not blue

[wooden blade]

it's not their main priority so it's fine

[modern grove]

Yeah I know

That's why doing dog design now is kinda a bad idea

[wooden blade]

they can start "brainstorming" about it after they update other things

[azure oak]

probably not intended to be a definitive look into the distortion

[wooden blade]

[fringe quiver]

If the distortion is purple and blue monopalette land ill boar myself

[pseudo vector]

it won't be

[jagged cliff]

As long as I don't need to build a DOG arena im fine

[fringe quiver]

Thank god it's not what artists want either

[modern grove]

It's purple and blue and pink!! Because dog has pink remember!!

[wooden blade]

fighting a purple and blue boss in a purple and blue place

[jagged cliff]

hallowed biome

[wooden blade]

awesome game design

[jagged cliff]

atp just make purities 3

[spark kiln]

are the abyss and hell worldgen changes in 2.1?

[spare wagon]

distortion will randomly be either blue or yellow for each world

[pseudo vector]

the dog rework was intended to be mostly a mechanical one, but the visuals that fryzahh and co made added a ton to the fight

[pseudo vector]

no

[fringe quiver]

Green distortiom

[modern grove]

The gas leak

Noxus pipes

[fringe quiver]

Need.... more.... GREEN!

[jagged cliff]

I kind of imagine the distortion is going to be similar to the fractal subworld from polarities