calamity-update-talk

[misty ibex]

Finally

I will not disappear for a year and a half then

Maybe like a year and a half minus one day

[halcyon seal]

Well the owner got fucking exploded

There’s a new weapon it’s got a buzzsaw

That’s pretty cool

[misty ibex]

I heard about that
Idk anything else about it

[halcyon seal]

Yharon got real wings instead of fake ass translucent slop

[misty ibex]

Just new owner

[hollow harness]

Fabsol (the owner) was transphobic as well as many other things

[misty ibex]

Cringe!!!!

Can’t let people be 😔

[hollow harness]

There's a google doc exposing him

[pulsar cobalt]

there was bountiful harvest. wat it did for the item economy was quite bountiful! what it did to the boss economy was atrocius and most changes will be entirely redone next update. thats all!

[misty ibex]

BOUNTIFUL HARVEST??? AT THIS TIME OF YEAR???

[pulsar cobalt]

it was

[misty ibex]

A Christmas miracle,,,,

[pulsar cobalt]

over a year ago...

[halcyon seal]

Wasn’t BH 2023

[pulsar cobalt]

2024

[misty ibex]

Tragic,,, people starved after the bountiful harvest,,,

[hollow harness]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1av6mucrBnK2F2IbKoxYU9yDaT2QhrlAhjjYEAAuoEuw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[misty ibex]

Hope the new update is soon and not in like March

[hot knot]

lead dev* but yea

[halcyon seal]

Well to be fair, it’s probably not March

[halcyon seal]

He did own the tmod page for calamity and I think co owned the server?

[hollow harness]

pretty much yea

[dusk bronze]

he was both

[hot knot]

ohh

[hollow harness]

I mean he was the owner and the lead dev

[pulsar cobalt]

he was the rights owner of calamity, was the owner of the github, the owner of the server and also the owner of the workshop page

so yes he was the owner

[dusk bronze]

and the original creator of the mod

[pulsar cobalt]

yes and the founder

[hot knot]

i see

didn’t realize he done that much for the mod

[hollow harness]

co-owner of this server kinda because there were periods in time where the ownership would transfer to danny I think

[rich ginkgo]

he didnt

i mean kind of

[halcyon seal]

He didn’t, at least when he left

[dusk bronze]

he didn't
after the first couple years at least

[hollow harness]

pffft he only set the base for the mod

[hot knot]

mm

[dusk bronze]

mostly just prevented bosses from being good

[hollow harness]

everything else was other people's work in this mod

[pseudo vector]

ozzatron now owns the mod, the github and the workshop page
lilac now owns the discord server

[rich ginkgo]

mainly just set the development of the mod back

[hollow harness]

he prevented stuff he didn't like from happening even though they were necessary or good

[halcyon seal]

Hey tbf he did make his own stuff, which is almost universally disliked by most people who play the mod

But it’s something

[rich ginkgo]

yeah it really is something huh

[hollow harness]

stuff like complaining and whining how he didn't want holiday halberd from being removed because most devs voted for that item to be removed lmao

[pseudo vector]

fab only really did the bosses but even then they’re just vanilla ai but some stuff on top

[rich ginkgo]

frankensteins of vanilla bosses and enemies

[hollow harness]

this was like some months before the 22 I think

[terse dew]

when did that become public information

😟

[hollow harness]

I know stuff

[terse dew]

It was so funny too

I was actually there for that

[hollow harness]

idk when it became I just know I heard and read about that

[pseudo vector]

i was probably there for that but i just wasn’t paying attention at the time

[hollow harness]

probably insider info I guess

[pseudo vector]

i wasn’t tuning in much before 22 happened

[terse dew]

Today's date: 25/25/25

🙂‍↕️

[hollow harness]

I tend to remember a lot of stuff

[lyric trellis]

Not holiday halberd 😭

[pulsar cobalt]

a christmas miracle

🙏

[terse dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491295760273506339/1376342270303010816/caption.gif

[hollow harness]

Fabsol was very authoritative

[halcyon seal]

What the fuck is holiday halberd

[pulsar cobalt]

old item

[terse dew]

tbf it was his only source of income

[hollow harness]

Holiday Halberd was a weapon dropped by some Frost Moon enemies I think

[halcyon seal]

When you realize it’s called Christmas because of the characters names

[rich ginkgo]

what is the mas

[pulsar cobalt]

holiday halberd

hopefully discord doesnt kill it

[halcyon seal]

Oh no not particleslop

[rich ginkgo]

holy filler weapon

[hollow harness]

god lord looking at this item makes me feel like this is like

[rich ginkgo]

😭

[hollow harness]

2018

[pulsar cobalt]

it dropped from the present mimics in frost moon

[terse dew]

It used to be the fireballs from the vanilla weapons

[hollow harness]

well tbf this item was practically untouched since its introduction so it must be

[terse dew]

before becoming dust.gif

[hollow harness]

its so fucked

[pulsar cobalt]

dust?

arent those the

spore sac projectiles

[terse dew]

Maybe

[hollow harness]

I think they are dust too?

[terse dew]

idk

[hollow harness]

actually no since dust is like 2x2px square and usually oversized

[pulsar cobalt]

yea it is

[hollow harness]

uhh that one desert tome item

the one that would summon a big blast of dust

well the thing is uhh that's like the only thing I kinda remember from thag period exactly

[pseudo vector]

LOL what is this bro

hilarious item

[tropic jolt]

spreading christmas cheer

[lyric trellis]

Still no rogue Frost moon items though 💔

[lapis oak]

classic L rogue

[dusk bronze]

!wiki holiday halberd

[mortal sinew]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Holiday_Halberd

[dusk bronze]

survived until draedon update somehow

[lyric trellis]

Lots of things survived until 1.5-2.0 somehow

[wide wadi]

Rogue is good

You just have to play it correctly

[dense sundial]

He didn’t do that much for the mod, he did it to the mod

[hot knot]

hmm yea i think i can see it

[lapis oak]

looks like even GP couldn't escape the curse of Youtube comments

[gray trench]

What happened to gp channel

[lapis oak]

what

[pulsar cobalt]

posted a calcast

[lapis oak]

nothing happened

[pulsar cobalt]

as usual, people being in the comments being shitty

[lapis oak]

I'm just talking about Youtube comments being the usual

even GP couldn't escape it

[molten grove]

we gotta turn holiday halberd into a rogue javelin for the frost moon

[dusk bronze]

[gray trench]

Well wasn't shayy in the last calcast

[arctic cliff]

relevant

[hushed hazel]

wonder who that guy is

[boreal edge]

This is @cunning sequoia's fault

[lapis oak]

every Youtube comments is plagued by @boreal edge

we gotta do something about this

[boreal edge]

What about me

[wide wadi]

Yo I seen you on that podcast

[lapis oak]

turn you into fish jerky

[hasty tangle]

not that many, really

[lapis oak]

I mean yeah

[hasty tangle]

my comment sections really arent that toxic

[wide wadi]

[lyric trellis]

Clearly

Have to repurpose all removed melee weapons as rogue regardless of anything else

[buoyant pulsar]

i wonder if it shoots something :0

cannonm sword., would go hard

[arctic cliff]

i have a feeling that's bladecrest's job

like you throw the bladecrest and then use the old lord claymore to do bonus damage

which would justify their upgrades being upgrades by combining the two synergizing effects in one weapon

[buoyant pulsar]

ooh that would be sick

what if old lord had some kind of point blank blast tho like starmada

[wicked temple]

hiii crow

[buoyant pulsar]

oh hi :3

[wicked temple]

:#

:3

[buoyant pulsar]

lol

[wise bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/kuhli-kuhli-loach-fish-gif-5952018278359074843

[summer shore]

fih

[ivory lark]

hi guys. i am bored. entertain me

i'm so bored i'm working on this currently unofficial calamity website design mockup

[dense sundial]

YOU should buy ARMORED CORE™ VI FIRES OF RUBICON™ (50% off until january 6!), NOW!

[ivory lark]

disagree

[dense sundial]

what for

[wide wadi]

Bruh do you like my little pony

[ivory lark]

yeah

y

[wide wadi]

Who’s your favorite pony

[ivory lark]

prob starlight glimmer

wbu

[wide wadi]

Oh cool why you like starlight

[wide wadi]

I don’t know any expert for the rainbow one

[ivory lark]

she reminds me of a lot of real life billionaires

[wide wadi]

Oh so she’s rich

Cool

[ivory lark]

no

[wicked temple]

did u know that mars's moons are kinda cyclical

[dense sundial]

wgat

[wicked temple]

like

[deft lily]

VCMM mention ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

+1.

[wicked temple]

when mars formed there was a much bigger moon in orbit around it

[polar tide]

jasper do you like rarity she's my favorite pony

[wicked temple]

it fell inwards over time due to tidal forces and got ripped apart into a ring

said ring formed a few smaller moons

[ivory lark]

rarity is p cool but i don't like how she ended up edging out applejack in all branding

[wicked temple]

which also fell inward and got ripped apart into another ring

this process repeated until we have the current martian moons

[arctic cliff]

that is so fucked man

[polar tide]

understandable applejack was my childhood fave and to this day it makes me mad when peopl call her backgorund pony

[deft lily]

Never watched my little pony.

[polar tide]

loser

[arctic cliff]

damn, i remembered back when we thought phobos and deimos were just asteroids that got captured by Mars

[polar tide]

(joke)

[ivory lark]

L

[deft lily]

😛

[wicked temple]

biggest reason they probably arent is that phobos and (presumably) deimos iirc have the same composition as mars

implying they formed out of the same stuff

a similar method is how we know the moon isnt a captured object and at least formed in the same area as earth

the rocks r the same

[summer shore]

I love the moon

My lil fella

[wicked temple]

also the orbits of phobos and deimos are too circular and too aligned with mars's rotation to be captured asteroids and iirc phobos is actually too close to mars to have been stable over geological timescales?

[ivory lark]

sadly phobos will be a short lived set of rings in a few million years

[wicked temple]

mhm

[wicked temple]

also gale crater has like sediment patterns (i forgor what they are specifically) that r rlly easily explained if mars, back when it had water, had a bigger moon with bigger tidal forces

[ivory lark]

that is p entertaining

[wicked temple]

this also isnt the only instance where a planet's moons come in generations

when the galilean moons formed jupiter actually ate several generations of moons

[arctic cliff]

yup that makes a lot of a sense ngl

but that is the beauty of science

to figure stuff out beyond what seems obvious

[arctic cliff]

this is news to me tho

[wicked temple]

its big enough that it had its own little disc of gas and dust orbiting it, and when things in it accumulated enough mass the friction and their tidal effects on said disc caused them to spiral inwards into jupiter

the current galilean moons are just the survivors after this disc dissipated or was absorbed into jupiter

[arctic cliff]

although i can see that because yknow, saturn is similarly sized to jupiter but whose "big" moons are really varied in size

[wicked temple]

a similar phenomena is probably why saturn only has 1 rlly large moon

[arctic cliff]

huh

[wicked temple]

titan's the only galilean sized moon orbiting saturn

[arctic cliff]

truly a "basically a mini solar system" momento

[wicked temple]

mhm

[arctic cliff]

i love titan

[wicked temple]

same

its so interesting

[arctic cliff]

that atmosphere iirc threw astronomers off into thinking it was larger than ganymede

[wicked temple]

it, io, and earth r the only places in the solar system with surface oceans

[agile latch]

Chungus

Its a new mirage newt sprite ye

[arctic cliff]

which would absolutely make its name of titan fit far too well, but even then it fits well enough

[agile latch]

Fat chameleon salamander

[lavish otter]

So it used the disk to devour all of its moons, but then it ate the disk too?

Gluttonous entity

[agile latch]

Full of mirages

[arctic cliff]

full of moons, in this case

[wicked temple]

its probably moreso that the disk just depleted after forming so many large moons

[lavish otter]

Oh yeah, that makes sense

[agile latch]

True

[wicked temple]

tho yeah jupiter is gluttonous

p sure it tried to eat the inner solar system once

[agile latch]

If my evil plan works there might be achievements in cal next update

A singular achievement

[wicked temple]

planetary migration and all that

[summer shore]

Saturn devouring his son painting

[arctic cliff]

its famously claimed that jupiter constantly keeps gobbling up enough minor planets that it also keeps earth more safe from such objects

[summer shore]

Jupiter a total bro

[arctic cliff]

and its not like we dont know this, we saw a really big fucking series of impact events in 1993 originating from the remains of comet shoemaker levy 9

[lavish otter]

It should be one of those Toby Fox achievements

[wicked temple]

this is actually kinda a myth

[arctic cliff]

sounds about right

[agile latch]

Sadly calamity dont have jolly content

I need to make a jolly version of the piggies..

[arctic cliff]

but yeah it does definitely exert a ton of control over nearby objects

[wicked temple]

bc of the fact that trajectories are symmetric under time reversal

[arctic cliff]

anyhow, EACH OF THOSE impacts dwarf any and all we've seen on earth, and if even one of those hit earth it'd probably just cause a total extinction of life from how massive they were

[wicked temple]

plip

[arctic cliff]

but jupiter is a gas giant, so those scars didnt last very long

[lavish otter]

Honestly, a jolly version of the

Divine Swine

Would be pretty cool

[agile latch]

Need to find a word that rhyme..

[fierce hearth]

What if the Bandit wore a santa hat during Christmas despite refusing to wear party hats

[summer shore]

holiday hog

[rose laurel]

JOLLY HOGGY

[agile latch]

Drops the holyday halberd

[lavish otter]

No...the horrib-

[lavish otter]

Yes

[agile latch]

Hogday

[fierce hearth]

Figgy Piggy

[lavish otter]

Holly Hog?

[summer shore]

christ p bacon

[agile latch]

Holyday meat should be real.. gives the player 10 minutes of jollyness

[wicked temple]

im jolly

[agile latch]

Jollyness making the player immune to christmas spirits

[vivid hemlock]

the hog

[fierce hearth]

If you have 1+ plat in your inventory/ies you will be accosted by spirits

[dusk bronze]

holly javelina

[fierce hearth]

You must remain jolly lest you be overrun by ghosts of past, present and future

[agile latch]

They bring you to the christmas past, present and future dimension

Where you see your sins

Yharim once was sent to one 10 years ago and he never returned the same..

[lavish otter]

Dogma is actually the ghost of Christmas past

[agile latch]

Christmas is just the day xeroc became a god

[arctic cliff]

On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me,
A peccary in a pear tree

[wicked temple]

oh the hog

[fierce hearth]

Your sins include:

• unqualified and unhelpful criticism of the mod
• cheesing the destroyer with the daedalus storm bow in vanilla
• npc test tube houses

[arctic cliff]

So therefore, A Peccary in a Pear Tree

[lavish otter]

Thankfully, I'm sinless since I hate using bows

[agile latch]

What would halloween be if you tried to make it fit calamity narrative

The day of moonlord invasion?

🦈

[wicked temple]

rtue???

wait true???

[fierce hearth]

You didn't deny building silicon valley a"pod"ments for your villagers

[wicked temple]

no that works??????

go the my little pony route and rename it

[lavish otter]

And before you know it, the eclipse enemies become canon

(They're all distortion creatures)

[rose laurel]

They are half canon

[lavish otter]

See?

[rose laurel]

Yes you fight things in the Eclipse

But it's not that

[lavish otter]

One day soon

[arctic cliff]

So what the hell do you fight then?

[fierce hearth]

Personally tbh I'd just prefer to see like, an extension of the calamity texture pack that replaces them with something canon compliant

Lmao

[agile latch]

Tbf christmas can possibly work well in calamity

If you change a little things

Make it more related to the gods culture

Yharim is the grinch..

He hates christmas

[fierce hearth]

Rather than just like, force Pumpkin Moon to make sense

[lavish otter]

Yharim is Scrooge

[rose laurel]

My interpetation of the Eclipse is that it brings about the things people fear the most

[agile latch]

Scrooge is already real

And he collect taxes

[lavish otter]

Considering that the Grinch didn't hate the spirit of Christmas, just the noise, while Yharim would hate everything

[rose laurel]

Basically imagine that every Eclipse enemy is just the fucking Birdbox Monster

[vivid hemlock]

the tax collector is right there

[arctic cliff]

Yknow what? I like that a lot. Calamity should add more Eclipse enemies that fit this well

[agile latch]

Wonder if draedon is jolly and festive..

Does the christimas spirit inhabit the exo mechs

[fierce hearth]

Draedon understands the value of a regular exchange to build trust and community, but also believes it a necessity for lesser beings only and himself above it

[lavish otter]

Y'know- genuine question actually, would he celebrate to some degree just for the sake of the occasion, or would he be so apathetic to it that he just wouldn't bother?

[fierce hearth]

He can create beings stronger than the Christmas Spirit ....

[agile latch]

I feel like by himself he wouldnt

[tribal isle]

would yharim slime out Santa

[agile latch]

But if other people near draedon were celebrating

He problably would join in, or atleast not be the grinch

[lavish otter]

Ah yeah, that makes sense!

[agile latch]

Was there christimas leave for lab workers..

[fierce hearth]

Draedon anti-christian reddit posting about Christmas but then Yharim walks up to him and slaps a santa hat on his head and he just accepts it

[tribal isle]

I thought draedon would just rather make worker bots or copies of himself to work on his stuff

[agile latch]

He had lab workers before

Nowaday he dont

But when he was making arsenal weaponry he had

[lavish otter]

Kind of an aside, but I think it'd be kind of cool if you could encounter a Draedon body as a permanent or even just wandering npc after beating the Exo Mechs, maybe explained by him just wanting to study you and the people you made houses for up close

[agile latch]

He can just

[lavish otter]

I think it'd be cool to have semi-casual interactions with him

[agile latch]

Hologram call you

Or send a drone to watch you

[lavish otter]

Well true, but it's the principle

[agile latch]

He is already watching you all the time

[agile latch]

Yharim is the grinch..

If someone were to do that it would be calamitas???

DoG is more jolly than yharim i think

[tribal isle]

They should add a mini event post calamitas if you go to the sulphurous sea you could see silva coming out and then you kill her again

[fierce hearth]

Also if the player character was in Christmas attire when defeating the exo mechs I think Draedon would immediately start analyzing the power of Christmas Spirit

[lavish otter]

(Though come to think of it, maybe that'd come into conflict with Calamitas being a town NPC-)

[fierce hearth]

"Can being Jolly challenge the power of Gods?"

[agile latch]

Being real now.. calamity

Severelly lacks festive content

[lyric trellis]

5000 ice weapons and 3 are festive

[tribal isle]

does dog translate his words into our minds or he’s actually speaking

[agile latch]

[dusk bronze]

general consensus between writers is that he brainblasts you

but it's not confirmed

[stuck kite]

the mythical frost moon rogue weapon none ever pulled out

[agile latch]

There is no

DoG resprite

Or well there isnt one now, he will likely ( possibly.. ) get one in the future

[lavish otter]

Speaking of are there any concepts up yet? Or is it too soon?

[agile latch]

No concepts

[lavish otter]

Like not firm ones, just ideas

[agile latch]

And if there is one it wont be shown

Until ingame

[lavish otter]

Oh of course! I was just curious, I didn't know if there were any ideas for what could come next

[agile latch]

Not even on patreon being honest

Since as you can see with yharon..

Sending major stuff there are p much equal to making it public

[agile latch]

I have some ideias

I think i talked here already

But idk if i will be the DoG user

[wide nova]

(do it)

😈

[agile latch]

@vivid hemlock technically hpu DoG being on future content doc is wrong..

But i think keeping it there is more economical for now

Or not

Unsure

[vivid hemlock]

i put a whole disclaimer there...

[wide nova]

if its wrong its just misinformation so it'd be best if its pulled

ithink

[vivid hemlock]

gulp...

[lavish otter]

I think it's fair to keep it with the disclaimer in mind, because we don't yet know how much will change from this iteration, just that these sprites won't be used

So at the very least, it can work as a base of reference for now

[agile latch]

If i make the sprite

It will be considerably diferent

[lavish otter]

Fair enough, though

[agile latch]

And i assume diauser would also change the design a lot

I mean in current cal economy, its either me or dia doing it

[lavish otter]

Actually that's a fair point, because I don't know who wouldn't-

[vivid hemlock]

yeah, for now im keeping it there to let people know since the community outside this server is notoriously uninformed about anything

[lavish otter]

Also fair, I think if it wasn't kept, people would just be coming in and being confused about why the sprite they've seen floating around isn't talked about on the doc

[agile latch]

The same goes for glamor btw, which was already removed right

The hpu biome..

[wicked temple]

the hpu biome

[agile latch]

Dont check future content doc super often..

[vivid hemlock]

it was called glamor???

gulp...

[agile latch]

Yea

[wicked temple]

the gemstone thing?

[agile latch]

Yea

[lavish otter]

I don'd recall seeing it on the doc last time I checked

[fathom girder]

Yes I know that was a shitpost

[lavish otter]

It was probably removed

[dusk bronze]

what about all the tobias sprites

what's happening with those

[vivid hemlock]

i nuked it a few weeks ago

[agile latch]

They are being kept

[dusk bronze]

🎉

[vivid hemlock]

a shame he had to leave

[lavish otter]

Oh sick! I was wondering about that too, funny enough

[vivid hemlock]

but i wont prod and pry

[agile latch]

Unless tobias pulls them, which isnt the case

[lavish otter]

It's a shame that they took him 😔

[agile latch]

I will finish them up if tobias is fine with it

Beloved tobias stuff

[dusk bronze]

polterghast 💚

[wicked temple]

tobiap

[lavish otter]

Oh damn, that Polty design was one of them?

Hell yeah

[agile latch]

trully, if certain users knew how to properly communicate

And resolve stuff instead of backtalking

The situation could be diferent..

[vivid hemlock]

triangle so are you and dia splitting the boss sprites that tob was gonna do, well except the ones that you were gonna work with him on

[dense sundial]

and this all started with crates

[wide nova]

not rlly

[agile latch]

Only boss tobias was going to do that wasnt a collab was aqua scourge and ravager

[lavish otter]

Ah yeah, that...did kind of concern me when I heard about it
I don't want to pry any more than Vanillin does, but still

[agile latch]

Was a collab with me and him

[wide nova]

it just happened during the crate conversation

[wicked temple]

🥀

[dusk bronze]

dia ravager could be peak

[vivid hemlock]

💔

[dense sundial]

what even is dia ravager

i only know mango ravager

[dusk bronze]

if dia sprited it

[vivid hemlock]

dev communication hell continues

[agile latch]

im still kinda guh about the entire situation, and i did think of leaving cal over it..

[lavish otter]

I believe Dia's ravager is a four-wheeler

[dense sundial]

unless you're talking about the-

[agile latch]

Dia is tank ravager

[dense sundial]

yeah that was far from serious wasn't it

[vivid hemlock]

[lavish otter]

Ah yeah, a tank!

If someoe has it, could you send it? I wanna save it

[agile latch]

Its on fables server

[lavish otter]

(I already did, but that was on the old laptop)

[wide nova]

do u think things will b better or r ur hopes not high

[agile latch]

[wide nova]

lol thats exactly how i feel

[agile latch]

The users that did it are still there i guess.. i already saw this happen a lot in cal and it was never improved upon

But also it was under the fabsulian regime

I still have friends i trust on the team and i trust ozzatron user. But the entire thing with tobias did give a big hit on my motivation

[dusk bronze]

hope it gets better

[agile latch]

And without tobias, i dont see sunken sea releasing with a economical enviromental visual..

Since he was the main one pushing that and spriting it

[wide nova]

tyeski sprite takeover

[arctic cliff]

chat are we screwed

[agile latch]

was so motivated to work with him on sunken sea, with all the stuff he was doing

[lavish otter]

If you don't mind me asking, are the users other devs, or just randos?

[agile latch]

Off course users had to fuck it up

[dense sundial]

i'm tired 🚬

[wide nova]

i was excited to work with you guys on the miniboss content

namely

i rlly like what we got going on 4 the biomes atleast, tofu has been doing awesome work

[agile latch]

Devs..

Which make it even worse

[lavish otter]

Shit...yeah, that's what I wasn't hoping for

[arctic cliff]

.

[dusk bronze]

no

calamity has survived significantly worse

many times

[lavish otter]

Because I expect this from random people in the fandom, it happens all the time in these corners of the internet, but I guess I just kinda...hoped things would be a bit better in the team?

Probably just the naive "blame everything on one person and assume everyone else is innocent" kinds of mindsets

[arctic cliff]

its not about that, its moreso this bunch of disorganization and lack of niceness to other devs that might screw it over

[agile latch]

I dont really have a lot of motivation to try and carry the sunken sea update sprite wise without even knowing if im being properly respected by my team members.🦈

[dense sundial]

i'd be more worried if it was randos that started it because what do you mean you let them get to you

[agile latch]

But well as i said i still have friends on the team that give me motivation to work on it

[dense sundial]

and being... how many spriters are there now

[agile latch]

Me, dia and metarex i think

[vivid hemlock]

isnt dia busy tho

[summer shore]

Metarex is back?

[vivid hemlock]

or has that changed very recently

[agile latch]

Active its p much just me but dia also do stuff

But dia is bust with yomi

[lavish otter]

I mean on my part, kinda! I was one of the people that kind of just assumed that most of the problems came from Fab and that in the era without him in the team, it'd just be a time of healing

But of course not, situations like this are often (almost always) a lot more nuanced, and there isn't usually just one dude that's the source of everything wrong in a team

[agile latch]

Most of the problems werent fabsol

Or well

They were

But the dev enviroment isnt economical..

[pseudo vector]

we’re gonna be working internally to try to stop something like this from happening again
we’ll work out how, just give us time

cuz trust me i want the best for the project

[polar tide]

how are you still awake

[dusk bronze]

kraken left

[polar tide]

go to bed stinky

[dusk bronze]

not meta

[summer shore]

Qhar

Oh

[quick trout]

whats this channel for

[pseudo vector]

i slept for like an hour but i had a really scuffed dream

[summer shore]

I thought meta left ages ago lo

[pseudo vector]

meta is still on lol

[arctic cliff]

ngl im concerned because i dont know if you lads will have enough time to fix this

[pseudo vector]

he’s one of the longest running devs on the team lmao

[dense sundial]

the channel description:

[agile latch]

Hi cd user

Merry christmas

[dusk bronze]

talking about future and recently released content

[agile latch]

[quick trout]

okay thanks

[pseudo vector]

merry crimmus hi

[rose laurel]

The Christmaser

[lavish otter]

Oh of course! Funny enough, that's actually a big part of why I try to zip my lips when I have concerns over stuff going on in the team and with development- I am concerned, I am about as often as I'm not, but it's also because I want the best for y'all and I don't think it'd help for me to talk about how concerned I am as a random nobody

[quick trout]

whys this the only alive channel

[pseudo vector]

idk

[arctic cliff]

its not

far from it anyhow

[quick trout]

i was gonna ask for some help 🥲

[arctic cliff]

#help-advice-read-pins

[gray trench]

Good morning merry Christmas ok Christmas over its Valentine's day now

[lavish otter]

Not the channel for it, this is for future update content

[polar tide]

well goodmorning and merry christmas. stinky

[rose laurel]

I'm tired

But like

[lavish otter]

(And also, incidentally, ends up being a general chat channel 80% of the time)

[quick trout]

of course i wouldnt ask randomly in this channel

[wide nova]

unironically is it cool if i were to come to you for feedback with spritework

[rose laurel]

Physically

Sleepy

[wide nova]

i want to get into it fr

[arctic cliff]

in all honesty i think you need some sleep

[agile latch]

Im still a bit about a certain user action.. and that nothing happened regarding it

[lavish otter]

Oh wait, right, hence you mentioning the other channels not being alive

[agile latch]

Besides a apology

But that is to better discuss in dev

[rose laurel]

I was going to say

[dense sundial]

then go get it discussed!!

[rose laurel]

God I'm tired

[agile latch]

Piggy

[uneven gate]

Hog

[agile latch]

Possibly

[wide nova]

i just took a 4 hour nap then faced a blunt now im sipping wine waiting for christmas to drop

if all goes well i have a gift for u users

[pseudo vector]

i feel like this discussion should be moved to dev instead of in the public server yea

[rose laurel]

I'm gonna sleep now guys

Good night

Terezi says

And I quote

"S3X"

Bye

[summer shore]

rebedcca

[still bluff]

Thank you overdone

[wide nova]

Got Milk?

[lavish otter]

Something I'm kind of curious about though
Do any of you think it'd be a good idea to just stop working for a second so you can get your bearings and figure out a game plan before moving forward, or would it not really help enough at this stage to outweigh the negatives?

[vivid hemlock]

horrible hog...

[arctic cliff]

what the fuck happened? i dunno who did that, and i wont ask, but like, what the hell did they do?

[agile latch]

That is sorta what is being done

I assume

Well not a stop working

Hard to explain without spoiling stuff

That are meant to be private atm

[wide nova]

it's being done but also being simply mindful of the events while continuing to work

we cant just stop in our tracks

[dense sundial]

if this doesn't happen i think a likely future is just cal stalling and tripping over its own feet for another year

[pseudo vector]

we’re just adjusting ourselves so we’re in a better position to sort things out

[dense sundial]

things need to be sorted

[lavish otter]

Ah okay, makes sense
I guess what spurred that on was you mentioning that you weren't excited about carrying the spritework for SSO in the future, and my first thought was "would it be a good idea to take a step back and try to find some connections first before moving forward with that, then?"

[arctic cliff]

not necessarily stopping, just a moment where, let's say Ozz, decides to get everyone on a meeting to ask what they're doing at that second and what they've done

[still bluff]

A full halt would be a bit counterproductive
It's a large collection of individuals, you can't tell them to stop doing anything at all

Figuring internals out is important tho

I must say though, I am kinda bemused why this conversation is happening here

[arctic cliff]

i think that is somewhat what jennifer rogue was tryna say

[wide nova]

As a developer I can say Cal won't die or anything but it doesn't undermine the fact problems are significant and important to deal with
It's not something to trip over in this chat as it's internal affairs but it's also not something to ignore if you catch my drift
We are figuring out a solution actively and changes will be made both passively and actively

[arctic cliff]

I mean... I'm not a dev. I'm just a little concerned after seeing messages here and in that CalCast episodes

hope you guys can sort that stuff out soon

because i genuinely dont want calamity to stumble over and die after literally breaking free from the constraints of an absolute moron of a lead dev

[wispy blade]

someone brought up DoG sprite and it just kind of snowballed

[arctic cliff]

im gonna guess it was because CIT in the new Calcast episode claimed that the dog sprite was most likely going to get scrapped in favor of something else

[dusk bronze]

this is true

[pseudo vector]

and what CIT said on calcast is true, yes

[arctic cliff]

devs, whatever you do with the resprite for DoG, don't make him small again, i actually do like him being an oversized worm

[agile latch]

He wont be as big

But he will get a bit bigger

[pseudo vector]

as cool as the sprite is, in reality something that big is incredibly difficult to work with when it comes to figuring out how to make a fight out of it

[still bluff]

Noone involved with the design of that sprite had any idea how it would function ingame

[agile latch]

The hpu one size is not very viable..

With a boss fight and design in mind

[arctic cliff]

true...

[lavish otter]

Honestly yeah, and I think it just being a bit bigger would work just fine

[dense sundial]

to be clear, i'm feeling the need to be more blunt about this stuff because i'm just too tired of it
i think things need to change hard and fast for calamity to actually stand on its own too feet

[lavish otter]

Like not HPU big, but bigger than any of the other worms

[arctic cliff]

yknow what? what if i do a sneaky plug of my fan redesign of dog and use that as an example of what you could do with redesigning dog with gameplay in mind

[dense sundial]

i'm not praying on your downfall or whatever but i'm concerned of the possibility

[pseudo vector]

what i can say rn is that we’re just dealing with the throes that’re still left over in the wake of new leadership

[agile latch]

Yea

There is zero DoG plans though

So i cant say much

[pseudo vector]

things were never gonna be smooth but we’ll work through it

[arctic cliff]

dont mind me

[still bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356274017463566376/1420908609570865233/Tumblr_l_105390014492501.gif

[lavish otter]

Oh shit-

[dense sundial]

the proper dog rework shouldn't be happening for some years, right? i think it's good not to think about it much for a while

[lavish otter]

mandible arms, mandible arms

[dense sundial]

focus on the now

[arctic cliff]

[still bluff]

Proper DoG rework will be a distortion thing
Doze DoG will suffice till then

[pseudo vector]

i just hope that there isn’t needless dooming from y’all because that helps no one

including us

[wispy blade]

probably true but it's not like calamity doesn't have a ton of room to stumble with it still being the most popular mod on the workshop and all. even if the current plans completely collapsed somehow, i cant imagine the mod actually dying; there's just too much to actually work with to allow collapse to actually happen, but it could, at worst, go the way of thorium and just fall out of public consciousness imo. someone's going to pick it up eventually though

[dusk bronze]

i don't think anything is doomed

[agile latch]

Being honest, personally im at a point with sunken sea

[still bluff]

Calmain has a remarkable ability to be simultaneously the most and least supportive place for the mod itself

[agile latch]

Where i kinda wish the next update was a diferent thing

🦈

[lavish otter]

Can't speak for everyone, but I wouldn't say that's my position
I don't think Calamity is doomed or anything, I just worry for you guys sometimes

[agile latch]

Principally without tobias now..

Tired of the fish mines and the biome

[wispy blade]

you could just move part 2 somewhere else

i assume there is a reason it was split

[arctic cliff]

i know that HPU created a placeholder resprite for Jared, so what are the chances of me randomly submitting a placeholder resprite for dog because i really dislike that design man

[wispy blade]

i dont think people would be too mad if you tackle the crags or something before part 2

[still bluff]

Exo update tomorrow

[agile latch]

Wouldnt be accepted

Being honest

[deft lily]

I do agree that catastrophizing the current situation surrounding calamity benefits exactly 0 people
In other words: folks who do that are part of the problem.

[still bluff]

Byea no a full boss resprite/redesign wouldn't just be accepted

[pseudo vector]

that conversation can probably be had another day, we’ll get there when we get there

[agile latch]

To get a boss sprite in the mod through subs is already really unlikely

Principally one as big as DoG

[pseudo vector]

but again that’s not a convo to be had publicly lol

[still bluff]

Make a cnidrion design

[agile latch]

Yea

[arctic cliff]

I'm still wondering if calamity should literally just forgo going for SSO in the next content update and put that aside for later, because clearly redesigning a biome like that is proving to be difficult as hell

[agile latch]

Dont want to have it here

[misty wren]

if current cal can be the most popular mod on the workshop im fairly confident pretty much any update wont break cals popularity

[summer shore]

Draedon update 2 electric boogaloo

[silk pebble]

hope everyone is doin well

[wispy blade]

it is now the Slightly Sea Overhaul

[lyric trellis]

What if Bountiful Harvest 2

[agile latch]

I think the boss im most excited to work on

Is storm weaver

[dense sundial]

go get it discussed in dev!!

[agile latch]

[agile latch]

Already did

[dense sundial]

ah

[lean relic]

please no...

[agile latch]

Some stuff got better

Some stuff i wish personally had happened didnt though..

[arctic cliff]

remember when people seriously considered rephrasing SSO as the Super Sea Overhaul due to triangle doing all of those acid rain enemies

[agile latch]

Acid rain is another enjoyable concept..

[arctic cliff]

i doubt that was ever going to even happen anyhow byeah

[lyric trellis]

The scope creep god

[lavish otter]

Actually kind of curious, is there anything you'd prefer for a general update focus over the Crags?

[agile latch]

That was more me doing something fun to pass time

[dense sundial]

stop me if my comments ever become actual dooming
i'm pushing these topics so hard simply because i am genuinely concerned for the mod's health and want to see important changes made fast

[agile latch]

Never really planned for a update

The acid rain things

Or well for SSO update

They likely will be used for a acid rain update

[pseudo vector]

you wanna know smth funny i’ve been more excited to work on ceaseless and signus LOL

[agile latch]

Whenever that comes

[agile latch]

Honestly distortion sounds more fun

[still bluff]

I want to see a real ravager rework asap tbh

[lean relic]

ayo reworks?

[agile latch]

But a diferent distortion concept

Not just generic subworld slop

[dusk bronze]

whar

[lavish otter]

Ooh, shooting big there

[pseudo vector]

i wanna make ceaseless into a fucking kirby boss bro lmao

[agile latch]

We need a forest biome, a water biome, the player mines

[lyric trellis]

Overworld but purple

[dense sundial]

if ceaseless void is even still a boss i think it deserves a big rework just for its potential

[wispy blade]

overtworld

[dense sundial]

there are so many places it could go with astrophysics/quantum mechanics inspiration and such

[lavish otter]

Also agreed, I think it'd be cool for it to be its own world instead of just...an oversized biome, essentially

[agile latch]

Well if my concept is the one to get real.. it wont be as big

Tbh

Sorta

[lavish otter]

Ooh! Interesting

[agile latch]

Mix risk of rain 2 with legends za mega dimensions

[lavish otter]

(I'm not familiar with either 😔 )

[lyric trellis]

Any post-ml biome content is big compared to the current 0

[dusk bronze]

[dense sundial]

do profaned enemies count as post-ml biome content

[dusk bronze]

no

[wispy blade]

if profaned biome was real

[dusk bronze]

they suck

[dense sundial]

i was hoping to hear that

[agile latch]

Hipothetical situation, just a ideia i have, nothing planned

[summer shore]

Void locus distortion

No wa

[agile latch]

Post ceaseless void, portals ( dimension cracks ) start appearing

In biomes and places through the world

Upon entering it you go to a small pocket dimension

[lavish otter]

Ooohhhh, so it'd be split up into smaller sections?

[agile latch]

In which under a timer you must do small side quest, kill enemies and collect loot

[lavish otter]

That'd be neat!

[rose laurel]

I would die

[agile latch]

Enemies getting harder as the time go down

[dusk bronze]

peak??

[dense sundial]

OHH it's the sonic chaos emerald minigames

yes please

[misty wren]

void locus 😨

[summer shore]

I know you would that's why I said it

[rose laurel]

Damn

[misty wren]

peak aesthetics and i like the loot but GOD i hate jailors

[rose laurel]

I hate Void Enemies in general

I love getting one shot

[summer shore]

Void enemies are a lot worse now that drones are actually useful

[agile latch]

You would need to use a resource to enter the portal

So it isnt just free to get the useful loot in there

[lavish otter]

Actually, I think it'd be cool if there was a mid-point between these ideas! That there'd be a larger interconnected world, but you'd only be able to access parts of it by traveling to them from the overworld first, which would allow you to travel between them through the Distortion afterward

Think LoZ A Link Between Worlds

[lyric trellis]

Doing the distortion dimension portals before Noxus finds you and obliterates you sounds funny

[agile latch]

There would be a larger hub being the DoG arena but it isnt fully connected to the others

[misty wren]

most of them have either very big telegraphs or slow projectiles or dont oneshot you
the only one i can think of that doesnt have that is jailors which is why they suck

[agile latch]

Said DoG arena could connect to noxus later

[lavish otter]

This way it might be less of a hassle to get to certain parts if you want to for whatever reason

[agile latch]

But yea i feel like distortion should be a new and fun

Gameplay concept

Than another big biome with 5 enemies per sub biome

Mine distorted ore

[misty wren]

like once i died to a reaver i dont think i died to any afterwards and im pretty sure ive still never died to a devastator its only jailors that kill me anymore

[summer shore]

Jailor root ❤️

[lavish otter]

(Actually, with this as a reference, what if they were completely blocked off, but accessible between each other with a pylon system-)

(Natural pylons)

[misty wren]

yes that is the sole reason i die to them

[silk schooner]

i would love to work on calamity.

[rose laurel]

I hate oneshots out of principle

[silk schooner]

so- so badly.

i would prob do anything.

but i have such bad work ethic and personality that it wouldnt go well

[pseudo vector]

triangle please write these ideas down for future reference and like
have them somewhere for us (devs) to read lol

[misty wren]

but even then its not very common because they're really rare (unless you roll a void event)

[rose laurel]

I think that under no circumstance should the player be punished with death over a single mistake

[uneven gate]

Distortion but you get poisoned by the dangerous distortion air, so you can only spend a short amount of time there before you need to escape. And if you fail to escape your pc overheats and explodes and u die

[rose laurel]

It should always be a sequence of mistakes

[uneven gate]

You die in game, you die in real life

[misty wren]

reavers are a knowledge check more than anything

[wispy blade]

creatives only know think idea, never write down and immediately forget, and die

[pseudo vector]

[dense sundial]

and eat chip and charge they drawing tablet

[lavish otter]

Honestly, that's fair! My take on instakills is that if you "have" to have them, have them just knock you to somewhere within an inch of death instead of actually killing you

Like have it take 90% of your health or something, so recovery is still possible if you're good

[dense sundial]

thank you Agent Black from Iconoclasts for doing this correctly

[silk schooner]

i would love to test, create, idea anything for calamity.

[misty wren]

devastators dont do Anything and never fucking spawn
barnacles dont do Anything either
jailors are a consistent threat even if you know that void enemies can just oneshot you

[silk schooner]

but- got no money, or anything to actually be useful

[wicked temple]

distortion

[uneven gate]

The older castlevania games loves instakilling you over simple mistakes

[agile latch]

My concept for DoG is that through the game you would see images of him, npcs would talk of him and he would always be painted as a great being, a legendary hero and member of the crusade and the images you see of it are always wearing addorned armor and cloth, a regal vision of it, npcs always talk highly of it. But at the same time if the timer runs out on the distortion you are killed by a wretched black worm like creature that mocks you on death, you initially dont connect the great armored here with this being from this diferent enviroment until the boss fight

[uneven gate]

Really tough those games...

[fallen olive]

very agreeable 🤔

i do still think a fully explorable portion would have its novelty, but it could be smth you unlock by doing the timed missions maybe

[lavish otter]

Oh shiiiit, I love this

[agile latch]

That could just be

DoG arena

A larger fragment of the distortion

Which connects to noxus later..

[wicked temple]

tbh an explorable portion might not be thaaaat great post-ml given wings exist

[lavish otter]

I especially think we could use more mentions of DoG in-game, it's a bit lacking currently

[misty wren]

triangle write this down somewhere important and save it for easy access

[arctic cliff]

i mean, so many characters in the lore of calamity would do better with more mentions

[fallen olive]

🙂‍↕️

[wicked temple]

unless like the distortion were full of Something™ that made exploring evil

[agile latch]

A ideia i had a long ago, but it took old cal lore a bit.. is that

[lavish otter]

Also agreed

[pseudo vector]

please share your ideas more often with the team bruh

[wicked temple]

oh do u remember ur old idea for astral in TEdev @fallen olive

[fallen olive]

oh maybe?

the smog

[wicked temple]

like

mhm

[lavish otter]

Oh agreed, they're always amazing

[wicked temple]

the smog

[arctic cliff]

I think Xeroc could do with being mentioned a lot more than zero before the lore item that reveals his true nature

[wicked temple]

something like that would rlly easily solve the wing problem

[silk schooner]

have fun everyone. i need to eep. but- i wish i could help ion calamity. its a full dream of mine.

[agile latch]

DoG killed deus and caused the astral infection as the first thing it did once coming to terraria, making the situation as if DoG killed a evil space creature that was coming to earth

[wicked temple]

bc u cant just Fly Away

[lavish otter]

I'm still attached to his ideas for CalClone

[wicked temple]

u get mogged by the fog

[agile latch]

This was how it got to meet yharim

[dense sundial]

she occasionally interrupts her attacks by snapping to and grabbing you - this is unavoidable - and slamming you into the ground a bunch. she summons a few minions once she's done.
but this attack cannot kill you, has an extremely long cooldown animation where she strolls around and gloats, and the minions are totally non-threatening and drop a bunch of heals

[agile latch]

And also DoG is never getting rid of essence, its just hiding it from clear daylight

The planet is still getting fucked by the corrupted world soul fragments returning to it

Just in a more quiet, internal manner due to DoG

[rose laurel]

Eh?

Not a fan of that

[agile latch]

So that yharim dont notice and continue his stuff

Which weakens the planet for noxus

[wicked temple]

do u think it could be cool for the distortion

[agile latch]

Not really suggesting it..

[arctic cliff]

I think it'd be neat if Xeroc was mentioned a lot as this pious and important figure who allowed people to go onto the surface, and then it gets revealed by Yharim that he got this power by killing a wounded dragon in seemingly cold blood

[rose laurel]

I like the idea of DoG showing up with a fucked up thing veiled as heroism but not Deus

[dense sundial]

if you're gonna do the ✨ serpent's tongue ✨ thing that certainly seems a good way to do it

[misty wren]

nobody knows he exists

[pseudo vector]

like please some more stuff that we can discuss, iterate on and note down for future reference plz

[rose laurel]

The entire point is that almost no one knows Xeroc exists

[lavish otter]

Yharim does, to be fair

[rose laurel]

Even Draedon doesn't

[fallen olive]

mayhaps

[arctic cliff]

I don't really jive with that tbh, but that's just me.

[misty wren]

xeroc isnt mentioned because while yeah there was a first god he fucked off literally immediately and hasnt been seen since

[rose laurel]

YOU DON'T JIVE WITH HALF OF WHAT WE SAY BUT SURE.

[fallen olive]

i have nefarious scope creeped cryogen ideas if you wanna hear 😁

[agile latch]

Caps lock curse

[rose laurel]

Karkat isn't gonna be in Dev if you're worried

[uneven gate]

They know there must have been a first god, but they just dont know that it's Xeroc specifically. Is that right?

[dense sundial]

ideasguying it

[wicked temple]

add windfall to calamity

[pseudo vector]

i mean considering what you did with brain it might be doable LMAO

[misty wren]

yes

[agile latch]

Anyway i personally would enjoy if DoG initially was seemed as a hero.. and is seen as one by most of the population and has world building around it through the game

[misty wren]

they know there was a first god, they dont know anything further than that

[arctic cliff]

Yeah, I don't really jive with like, a lot of what you say

[wicked temple]

what did big e do to brain

[pseudo vector]

very cool things

[fallen olive]

it'd be more involved than just reworking the boss, but it was smth i had planned for my cal-addon prior to becoming dev. i'm decently confident I'd be able to execute on most of it

[agile latch]

Trully

[wicked temple]

it cannot possibly be like windfall cryo

[lavish otter]

Y'know- I don't fully agree, but I kind of get it
Xeroc is this larger than life entity in the Cal universe and basically kickstarted the deific period, but at the same time, his character is a bit limited by the fact that he doesn't really...do much after that-

[pseudo vector]

you’ll get to see them

[misty wren]

as i said before xeroc fucked off literally immediately

[lavish otter]

Not anything specific, at least

[agile latch]

Its the reason i dont talk much of these, since i preffer having drawn concepts before sharing..

[fallen olive]

im almost out of the multiplayer mines ⛓️‍💥

[dense sundial]

actually, i guess that kind of presentation for dog keeps his older character of a shallow two-faced egomaniac, which is something i missed apparently being lost in new lore

[misty wren]

like thats his whole deal he became a god and then fucked off immediately to do something of his own rather than be a larger than life persona

[wicked temple]

oh YAY

[agile latch]

It also opens cool stuff for his design too, like first phase having DoG maintaing this persona, even in dialogue

[pseudo vector]

anyways can we write these things down so we can have them for future reference and not forget them plz thx

[dense sundial]

• Yeah!

[uneven gate]

Whhen will we as gamers get to learn more about Xeroc

[pseudo vector]

[agile latch]

Having a regal armor, a helmet with even human like facial features on it covering its otherworldly visage

[uneven gate]

What update would that be in

[rose laurel]

You can have a character work perfectly fine while still being mysterious unknown or borderline missing from the narrative

[fallen olive]

caldev needs a dedicated idea dump channel for these sorts of things imo

[rose laurel]

See: Gaster

[misty wren]

he showed up, did his thing, and left without staying behind to revel in it, which is why nobody knows him

[uneven gate]

The xeroc update

[stark quail]

my theory is that xeroc is a big fan of microwaving mac and cheese

[fallen olive]

The Bikeshed

[agile latch]

It only shows its true face on p2, because by then its on its home turf

[pseudo vector]

the bikeshed

[agile latch]

And sure it will kill the player

[pseudo vector]

YEAH

[arctic cliff]

My main thing is really that it makes the Requiem lore reveal not feel as strong as it should be, because honestly the whole thing is written as if it is a huge reveal

[agile latch]

It blowing its cover or persona dont matter

[dusk bronze]

tbf gaster is more of a plot device than a character

[arctic cliff]

but the issue is that... you have no fucking clue who Xeroc is

[rose laurel]

Gaster is a character

[dense sundial]

wait this sounds a lot like libra elden ring nightreign

which is good.

[arctic cliff]

i finally got to Libra and yeah he is genuinely the goat

[wicked temple]

what if xeroc were gaster

[dense sundial]

well duh, it's a goat

i should sleep

[lyric trellis]

Xeroc shattered across space and time

[uneven gate]

What if gaster was sans father

What then

[agile latch]

One thing i wish.. is that the DoG fight felt a bit more personal

[lavish otter]

I'd cry

[dusk bronze]

[stark quail]

yall gotta stop talking about xeroc. yknow it's rude to talk about someone who's listening...

[agile latch]

Xeroc the fraud

[arctic cliff]

Like, yeah I Get That The Gods, Who Yharim's Whole Mission Is To Genocide Them, Have A Kinda Questionable And Messed Up Origin, but i dont really have that connection when this god i have no clue even existed is suddenly the subject of a massive lore reveal

[uneven gate]

Hmm why

[agile latch]

Considering how major of a figure he is for the mod

[arctic cliff]

Even If He Is The First

[agile latch]

Meet potential god

[pseudo vector]

give us a reason to hate his ass before we fight him lol

[agile latch]

Yea

[wicked temple]

no one knowing who xeroc is doesnt mean there cant be xeroc stuff sprinkled around right

like how gaster is in deltarune

[arctic cliff]

aldritch

[uneven gate]

What could u possibly do to make us hate DoG

[lyric trellis]

What does Xeroc even do in current cal, at least the old one had the blood moon thing ig but yeah

[wicked temple]

u just know the second gaster gets namedropped ever the fandom will immediately be divided into pre- and post- gaster eras with how biblically that will go down

[uneven gate]

Make him eat the princess NPC maybe hehe

[agile latch]

Nothing

[dusk bronze]

train

[stark quail]

make DoG steal all of the money from your piggy bank and you have to kill him to get it all back

[agile latch]

He stares

[dusk bronze]

that's it

[uneven gate]

That would make us mad probably

[agile latch]

He is after noxus but he did nothing so far

Potential god..

[dusk bronze]

give xeroc feats

i beg

[arctic cliff]

from what i've gathered, most likely doing something to defend terraria from powerful threats far beyond what the player can do

[rose laurel]

YEAH BECAUSE ALL OF THE CONTENT HE COULD BE A PART OF ISN'T IN THE GAME YET

[arctic cliff]

but like... man

[lyric trellis]

Doesn't even have the most important item in the mod Xerocodile anymore smh

[dusk bronze]

[stark quail]

BRING BACK XEROC BARS

[agile latch]

Even with the content

[lavish otter]

That's kind of where I understand Overdone's point, because we at least have bits and pieces of info that might clue us in on what Gaster's whole deal is, but for Xeroc, it's kind of just like...you get one bit of information at the start, skip some stuff, then the next time you hear anything about him is when you do the boss rush

[agile latch]

Its like boss fight and boss rush

[rose laurel]

TRIANGLE

[arctic cliff]

mystery for the sake of mystery doesn't build worlds, it just makes you confused

[fallen olive]

he's aura farming 🕯️

[wicked temple]

mhm

[agile latch]

This guy fight even happens after the player kill noxus, which was the thing he has been wanting to do

[rose laurel]

WE CAN GIVE HIM MORE CONTENT BRO

THAT'S A THING WE CAN DO

[agile latch]

Trully

[rose laurel]

SURE THERE ARE NO SOLID PLANS

BUT WE CAN MAKE THEM

[uneven gate]

Xeroctalk

[agile latch]

Monkey d. Dragon type character, xeroc is looking at the west

[lavish otter]

That was the point 😭

I'm pretty sure at least

[rose laurel]

BRO THIS CONVERSATION FEELS LIKE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT A FINISHED MOD AND GOING

[lyric trellis]

🙂‍↕️

[rose laurel]

"Yeah man I wished Xeroc did more in the narrative"

OK

[lavish otter]

Like yeah, we know that things could be changed, but we're talking about what's there now

[rose laurel]

THEN WE ARE GOING TO GIVE XEROC MORE TO DO IN THE NARRATIVE

[arctic cliff]

i would get into an rant about whether xeroc is even the kind of character you should be making a big mystery figure like gaster, but i have not even touched Deltarune a single bit nor Undertale so i am going zip my mouth on this

[rose laurel]

IT'S THAT FUCKING SIMPLE

[dusk bronze]

this was not communicated

[lavish otter]

It's not really productive to be like "well yeah, but it's not finished tho"

[agile latch]

Noxus is more that

Tbh

[wicked temple]

yeah

[rose laurel]

I LISTEN TO CRITICISM????????

[wicked temple]

i brought up gaster as an example

[pseudo vector]

okay kanaya plz calm down

[agile latch]

Or atleast should be

[uneven gate]

Man i wish yharim was a boss we could fight. Shame its never happening unless i ask the devs to add him😔

[wicked temple]

also

[rose laurel]

IT'S NOT KANAYA

[wicked temple]

karkat i think u being all caps makes u come across way more aggressive than u intend btw

[rose laurel]

IT'S KARKAT

YEAH OK

Look

I'm not angry

[wicked temple]

also pluralkit should be here in this server

[agile latch]

You will meet sir Ahyn, the godkeeper

[wicked temple]

imo

[rose laurel]

Jesus fucking Christ no

[lavish otter]

Who's pluralkit?

[arctic cliff]

thats not what im complaining about
im complaining about: #calamity-update-talk message

[rose laurel]

Bot

[fallen olive]

sorry i was supposed to make him but instead i made a brain boss... idk what to do with it now...

[full hollow]

i love pluralkit but people would use it awfully in a server of this size

[agile latch]

Big e user.. what vanilla boss do you plan to work next

If you have any in mind

[lavish otter]

Ahhh...what's pluralkit?

[agile latch]

eater..

[rose laurel]

It would be used by literally two people

[lyric trellis]

The devs have forgotten about Yharim…

[uneven gate]

brain boss

[fallen olive]

in my mind it'd be rude to rework boc w/o doing eater as well

[agile latch]

Ye

[wicked temple]

wof

[uneven gate]

Meow

[fallen olive]

the crimson heads will have their time, but soon the corruption heads shall get theirs

[rose laurel]

Anyways

[arctic cliff]

YOU can make Xeroc still a mystery man, but not because literally nobody knows he even is a thing, id rather hed be a very known figure, but moreso about what he actually is and what he is actually doing

[lavish otter]

It'd be rude to the two (2) Eater of Worlds fans

[spark kiln]

back the fuck off bro

[wicked temple]

vaguely known

[lavish otter]

PF-

[dusk bronze]

yeah wtf

[spark kiln]

eow is way better than brain

[arctic cliff]

that... is just my thought on a guy whose actions are why the setting is the way it is

[lyric trellis]

Bar is in hell

[pseudo vector]

eater would be a logical next choice, after that tho maybe a hardmode boss

[lavish otter]

Eater of Worls is barely a boss

[rose laurel]

How the fuck do you make the strongest person in the universe vaguely well known?

[uneven gate]

Eow vs Boc: Battle of mid

[lavish otter]

Like obviously for the sake of reworks, it doesn't have to be, but who's a fan of it in its current state?

[lapis oak]

Battle if mid

[wicked temple]

the existence of a first god or of someone who took zeratros's auric soul is known, but no one knows who or what they actually do or are or where they are or anyone and everyone has their own ideas

[full hollow]

eow being better than brain is the one reason i ever consider playing corruption over crimson

[rose laurel]

This isn't a Saitama situation where

1 - It's a comedy
2 - There is an actual reason people don't clock into his strength

[lyric trellis]

Calling BoC mid is being overly generous

[uneven gate]

Battle and mid, battle or mid

[lavish otter]

At least BoC has creepers, it's kind of interesting

[rose laurel]

You can't make the God of the Motherfucking Sun Vaguely Known

Either everyone knows his ass or no one does

[arctic cliff]

He's in space.

Doing stuff in space.

[agile latch]

He is aura farming ( doing nothing )

[arctic cliff]

Even if you knew that a guy named Xeroc who happens to be the Sun God exists, how the fuck are you going to know what he's up to?

[wicked temple]

like how the existence of gaster, as the person who brought u to deltarune and as the previous royal scientist, is made rlly obvious by both worlds (someone had to be the vessel creator, someone had to be alphys's predecessor and make the core), but gaster himself is shrouded in mystery

[rose laurel]

Ok did people forget Neil Armstrong existed when he went to the Moon?

[wicked temple]

and everyone has their little theories about who gaster is and what he is doing

[arctic cliff]

That's because his great feat was being broadcast to Earth

[rose laurel]

I think if people knew that a guy who could snap Yharim in half like a twix existed everyone and their mother would speak about it

[rose laurel]

Do you have any idea the sheer terror that the public knowing Xeroc would create?

[uneven gate]

Terraria should add a bunch of stats and also levels and experience so that you can level up

[lavish otter]

I mean, I don't think it has to be- he could be the type that people are vaguely aware of because they sometimes see him do stuff, but they don't know much about him because they can only ever observe and only for brief moments

[uneven gate]

Terraria otherworld core