#calamity-update-talk

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wide wadi
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You right September October of 2026

tropic jolt
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honestly I fully expect it to release in late 2026

dull hemlock
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hello devs :3 do u guys already know what ur gonna do with yharim at this point

misty wren
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no they dont

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yharim is like half a decade out at least, any plans made now are extremely volatile

dull hemlock
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dang.

hard hearth
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yharim will namechange to yermes

fringe quiver
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Yharim is not in the plans for anytime near the future

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Calamity is essentially reworking all of itself before adding Yharim because the mod is not in a Good State right now

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Like, in general

hard hearth
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mods in a pretty decent state rn

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just could be better

fringe quiver
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Basically almost all of the devs disagree ein 😭

hard hearth
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which it is doing

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hard numbers disagree with them

misty wren
hard hearth
still bluff
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the mod by tmod standards is very decent
realistically it kinda sucks tho hdflr

fringe quiver
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Numbers don't make something good

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Calamity has a ton of players because it was carried by having a huge influx of popularity due to being the biggest mod for a long while and also DM Dokuro's music being insanely popular

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Morbius sold a shit ton of tickets, it dosen't mean it's a good movie 😭

hard hearth
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popularity doesnt happen for no reason

fringe quiver
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It dosen't happen for no reason no

hard hearth
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morbius absolutely didnt sell jack

fringe quiver
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But it does happen for not often good reasons

hard hearth
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whaaa

tropic jolt
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popularity happens because of dm dokuro music

fringe quiver
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No Morbius actually sold alot because people went to watch it ironically

hard hearth
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it bombed in the box office twice

misty wren
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calamity is the biggest terraria mod because dokuro music and it was the biggest mod going into 1.4

fringe quiver
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Calamity isn't like abysmal dogshit or anything but it's really not in that good of a state

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Like there's good stuff in the mod

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Notably id say alot of the gear is p cool

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Weapons and whatnot

sand dome
hard hearth
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yes

fringe quiver
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Depends on your definition of decent, i'd disagree but to each their own ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Regardless of semantics point is that devs are not satisfiedw ith it

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And they don't want to add the literal final boss to the mod yet since

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well

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it'd be extremely jarring

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500 glupshit fabsol bosses leading up to 1 actually well designed final boss

hard hearth
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i dont believe calam is still the most popular mod just because it used to be the most popular 6 years ago

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yanno

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it had to be doing something right all these years before fabimplosion

fringe quiver
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Does it being the most popular means its the best one

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Because i think that's just blatantly wrong

hard hearth
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no

misty wren
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if cal released in its current state right now i dont think it would get anywhere i cannot lie

fringe quiver
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It's not doing everything wrong but i wouldn't use popularity numbers as a argument for why its good

hard hearth
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its in an okay state

fringe quiver
hard hearth
still bluff
misty wren
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the standard for terraria mods has gotten higher and higher and calamity hasnt met that standard for a large amount of tome

hard hearth
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it would defo get places just by virtue of what the common modded player wants

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(more content)

fringe quiver
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I think it'd get some fans but like

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Look at tremor

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Tremor had a Shit Ton Of COntent

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Obviously it's not like

hard hearth
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quality is very secondary to more stuff to do for casual players

misty wren
fringe quiver
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comparable to calamity it was Worse

hard hearth
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yeah and tremor was hugely popular too

fringe quiver
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Would you say Tremor was in a decent state

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just because it was popular

hard hearth
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until it stopped being updated and it stopped being relevant

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at the time tremor was decent yeah

fringe quiver
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Again i just think using popularity as the reason why something is good is 🥹

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but regardless idc, as i said

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To each their own

misty wren
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"holy shit someone released the biggest terraria mod" isnt much of a driver of long term engagement

hard hearth
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tremor was obv very much the weakest of the big 3 at the time

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but it was still one of the mods a lot of ppl talked about

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and played

rose laurel
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The argument of whether or not Calamity would be where it is should it have been release in the current climate is irrelevant because it is not what happened.

Calamity is the most famous Mod of Terraria for three reasons
1 - The insane amount of content
2 - Overall great quality for the time it picked up popularity
3 - The soundtrack

Calamity has not been able to keep up with the absurd pace at which Terraria modding has developed, and many of the design decisions currently in Calamity have been put in question due to the shifting philosophies in the Terraria modding community and the increased literacy of people in game design.

dull heart
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Soundtrack and just sheer size

hard hearth
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i also think it would

dull heart
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Those two things are why cal does so well now

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I'd say

thorny fjord
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I think it would still be very successful, but less seen as the terraria mod

fringe quiver
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That seems like a valid stance i think yeah

hard hearth
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ppl vastly underestimate what a casual player wants out of a terraria content mod

rose laurel
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I think that hypothetical is silly to consider specially because you then have to consider the insane shifts in the modding community a lack of Calamity would have created.

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If you are assuming this exact same modding community and Calamity was just dropped into it right now? Yes it would pick up popularity very quickly because the only comparable Mod to it is Thorium, which pales in comparison in terms of sheer content.

amber egret
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if someone made calamity mod today, it would be deemed 5/10 at best

hard hearth
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ppl will flock for a mod with 10 decent pml bosses over another with 1 good pml boss

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its just what happens...

lyric trellis
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Imagining Calamity releasing today out of nowhere and people being blown away by the full soundtrack already being there is funny

hard hearth
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apply that to phm and hm and its a wrap

hard hearth
rose laurel
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But if you assume the ripples a lack of Calamity would cause in the community, that becomes a much more complex question because you then have to wonder whether or not a Mod would occupy Calamity's spot as the unrivaled most popular Mod for Terraria and how many Mods would not even exist.

hard hearth
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idk im mostly saying these things as despite not being a dev ive talked with ppl a lot both around terraria communities as well as my circles of friends who have nothing to do with the terraria community but still sometimes pick it up to play w/ friends

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and its just what i picked up on

amber egret
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the most popular mod would very likely be more Terraria than Calamity

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if that makes sense

hard hearth
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quality is very important but it has diminishing returns

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there is a very good balance between quality and quantity

lyric trellis
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“If Calamity was released today” is also just weird to say because I mean that’s kinda just Fables isn’t it, the conditions and standards have changed so much from 2016 it’s kinda impossible to act like Cal would just release like it’s been (2.0.4)

hard hearth
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its a bit hard to say its just fables cause fables does not have all the content calam has, nowhere near

amber egret
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i moreso mean current calamity with its flaws

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fables is “what if calamity was remade today”

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(kinda like infernum in a way)

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if calamity mod, as of right now, had released from 1.0 to current patch

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all right now

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itd be called bloated and poorly designed

hard hearth
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i think thats a bit disengenuous because 1.0 calam comprised entirely of palette swaps 🥀

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which no self respecting, published mod in todays tmodloader standards does

dusk bronze
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and draedon bar

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🔥

hard hearth
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but was very much a popular thing to do back in the day

lyric trellis
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Honestly I’m just trying imagining how people would react to Cal releasing as it is today but it’s hard to because it’s so massive and tmod history would probably be radically different and overall less popular so it’s just odd but I’m thinking too much into a scenario that’s just saying “yeah cal quality, mainly bosses; has remained fairly stagnant over the years and looks mediocre in comparison to newgen mods” which yeah is true

hard hearth
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that is true yea

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but casual players like the breadth of content as long as it doesnt suck

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calam bosses might not be as good as some of the newer mods that have been coming out but they are different enough from how you would deal with vanilla bosses and not completely cancer (with one exception) to fight so they're enjoyable enough, and theres so many of them ppl will have many sessions of playtime

amber egret
hard hearth
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yeah i think current public patch would very quickly rise up the popularity ranks if it was released today

still bluff
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people would be freaking the fuck out over the music (as they did back in the day) lol

lyric trellis
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Yeah people on discord would say it sucks but what’s new

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It’d definitely still become popular even if it’s not the best

hard hearth
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hmm

amber egret
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people would i think dislike most of the hardmode bosses, outside first
time “woahhhhh!!!!” moments

hard hearth
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ironically i think ppl would call it a breath of fresh air and something closer to vanilla compared to all of the other mods lmao

amber egret
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no shot

hard hearth
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in that hypothetical

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at least in terms of bosses

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weapons probably not

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but the way newgen mods have done new bosses is actually cracked

dusk bronze
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cough convective wanderer

hard hearth
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they have so little to do with vanilla bosses its like someone stepping from vanilla to modded is two entirely different worlds

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not to say that as a bad thing, i think its super cool what they're doing

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some years back when i saw the 3D underworld flame worm boss thats like a drill

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my mind exploded

dusk bronze
misty wren
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convective wanderer

hard hearth
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oh is that what its called

dusk bronze
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yeag

hard hearth
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i didnt remember da name

dusk bronze
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from polarities

hard hearth
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yeah that boss is sooooo flames

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pun fully intended

misty wren
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does polarities still exist i forgot

hard hearth
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its so sick

dusk bronze
lyric trellis
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I remembering seeing a 1.4 port earlier this year but not sure

misty wren
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i know there was the 1.4 port i just dont remember what happened to polarities after

hard hearth
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1.3 modding was kinda goated lowkey..

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had the perfect balance of great mods vs shit mods

misty wren
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it had pinkymod and i can never forgive it for that

hard hearth
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1.4 has too many good mods

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PINKYMOD WAS A GREAT SHITPACK MOD

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i remember it

dusk bronze
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TRUE

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also joost mod

hard hearth
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we also had that one on the shitpack yea

misty wren
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it bricked my world like 3 times on 3 different playthroughs

summer shore
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piss and shit mod

misty wren
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throw in sgamod too why not

dusk bronze
summer shore
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shit died so piss could keep walking

hard hearth
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joost was particularly funny cause it had an undestructible item called the altar of legends

summer shore
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Used by the league of legends

dusk bronze
amber egret
hard hearth
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and by using another shitpack mod that had a dirt pickaxe with 999 mining power you were actually able to mine it

misty wren
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from polarities

amber egret
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Oh.

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Them.

hard hearth
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god the entire vc laughed at that point

amber egret
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i personally hate polarities

hard hearth
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good memories...

misty wren
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you can backread another 2 messages ein gave a pretty good description of it

dusk bronze
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remember the black hole pickaxe you could mine full chests with

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it just deleted individual tiles

amber egret
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oh no i meant modern polarities

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modern polarities is shit from an as

hard hearth
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that one i dont remember unfort

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🥀

amber egret
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have you ever wanted to not be able to see where you are centralized?

dusk bronze
amber egret
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convective wanderer!

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do you want your dimension to just straight up not work?

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fractal!

grave geyser
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oh did they fill it with random camera movements

misty wren
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sgamod was like a shitpack all on its own it was Bad

amber egret
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do you want your bosses hitboxes to actually quite literally shatter and break the moment they move too fast?

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rift denizen AND the purple one!

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do you want your final bosses to suck ass? polarities!!!!!

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esophage and the other one were neat and the pixies did jack all

hard hearth
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i think last time i played polarities was in 1.3

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and the mod was decent

amber egret
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if calamity cant keep up to modern standards, polarities literally could not concieve them

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(calamity can, they just struggle bosswise and Unshittification takes a while)

misty wren
amber egret
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wh

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what fuckin mod was this???

misty wren
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sgamod

sick lotus
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Calamity vanilla changes but 10x worse.

amber egret
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ohhhh this fucker with LIMBO

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i remember that one!!!

dusk bronze
amber egret
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and near terrarian orbbittt

dusk bronze
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lethal lava burn best debuff oat

amber egret
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i vaguely remember liking this mod!

lyric trellis
amber egret
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i was like. a toddler back then when it comes to quality control

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what the fuck is this recipe

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lyric trellis
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The door is essential

amber egret
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for an expert mode accessory???

grave geyser
dull heart
sick lotus
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Why on earth is there a door in the accessory recipe?

grave geyser
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peak

sick lotus
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This is even worse than the miracle matter recipe

dull heart
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the difference between sga and what I would do if I had the time

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is I'd make it good

arctic cliff
dull heart
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(I have no idea how good or bad sga is)

lyric trellis
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Furnace miniboss vs Anvil KS

amber egret
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(did you check the d-o-r-e)

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the what

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The D o o r .

arctic cliff
hollow harness
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The Truman Show

sick lotus
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I wouldn't go through that door if I were you. Probably leads to a different reality or something.

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Okay now it just sounds like I'm writing an scp.

arctic cliff
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You're pretty close to it.

amber egret
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you're not far

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oh wait overdone have you done a new over and done amidias

arctic cliff
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uh. not yet

amber egret
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darnit

arctic cliff
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give me like 2 weeks

amber egret
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you got it

misty wren
amber egret
sick lotus
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I'm sorry, *what *?

amber egret
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I REMEMBER THINKING IT WAS HORSESHIT AND I JUST CHEAT SHEETED THROUGH IT

lavish otter
amber egret
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IT DROPPED A WEAPON THAT DID A DDR GAME AS ITS DPS AND IT SUCKED

misty wren
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also the regen cap i dont think is even enough at base to heal you back to full after dying

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might be wrong though i forgot what the regen cap actually is

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oh also it force unloaded any luiafk items

dull heart
sick lotus
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That looks so boring to fight

dull heart
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L

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It also wasn't done

sick lotus
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Well yeah demo

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How do you even fight something if you're spending the entire fight clicking buttons?

dull heart
misty wren
sick lotus
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No?

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What buttons are you clicking on?

dull heart
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yes

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WASD

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Left mouse

dusk bronze
rose laurel
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That is every fight ever.

sick lotus
rose laurel
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Infact it is every game ever.

misty wren
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wasd rmb lmb any of the keybinds you have

dull heart
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you attack by clicking

dusk bronze
sick lotus
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I mean clicking buttons as in clicking buttons on your screen if that somehow wasn't obvious.

dull heart
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why is that very different

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Than clicking the boss

dusk bronze
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the boss can be considered a button

dull heart
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click a specific part of your screen to fight the boss

sick lotus
misty wren
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those are known as ads

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or boss minions

dull heart
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Those are known as servants of ctuhulu

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yeah

dusk bronze
long wing
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Ultimate Custom Night mid terraria boss fight might be the play

dusk bronze
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brimstone hearts

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etc

dull heart
misty wren
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ads, boss summons, boss minions, servants, mooks, whatever you want to call it

sick lotus
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Are bosses constantly spawning enemies across your entire screen that ignore aoe and only die if you directly click them and can't be dodged?

misty wren
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sometimes yeah

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its called small hitbox

long wing
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they could and should 🙏

dull heart
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ok but like

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how is a boss being a rhythm fight any less of a boss

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actually infernum provi is a rhythm fight

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Also! Undyne in undertale basically has the same thing in spear sections

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Just without music sync

sick lotus
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It's not less of a boss it just doesn't seem to fit terraria at all.

dusk bronze
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why

misty wren
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you can say that about any boss with its own unique mechanics

sick lotus
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I haven't played infernum so idk about providence.

dull heart
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going by what "fits terraria" would lead to having bosses like vanilla moon lord

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I think I'm good

grave geyser
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what was that one boss that was like
you could only damage him if your curser was over him and its dakr

dull heart
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I'd rather have a rhythm boss or an SCal over a vanilla moon lord or vanilla cultist or vanilla golem

grave geyser
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vanilla cultist is just easy

dull heart
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even though the rhythm boss or scal don't really fit terraria

grave geyser
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the fight itself is fine

sick lotus
# dusk bronze why

Terraria isn't a rhythm game and putting a rhythm game into a non rhythm game for a single fight seems odd, especially if it's not a mod specifically doing rhythm stuff.

dusk bronze
dull heart
dusk bronze
dull heart
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all it was adding was that boss

sick lotus
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Nvm I didn't know that

misty wren
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something "fitting" terraria really doesnt matter what matters is that its fun

grave geyser
# dusk bronze easy is not fine

ehh?
a fight can be easy and still be fun
I agree that cultist being easy poses game design problems but like I dont think the 2 are mutally exclsuive

dull heart
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Easy is fine yeah

sick lotus
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I thought we were still talking about the one that locks furnaces behind a mini boss or whatever.

dusk bronze
dull heart
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cultist isn't a real boss

dusk bronze
dull heart
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Doesn't even have a treasure bag

dusk bronze
grave geyser
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I mean I've seen plenty of games where the penultimate boss is free

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I've seen plenty of games where the final boss is free

dull heart
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cultist is the intro to the pillars

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he's there to aura farm

dusk bronze
grave geyser
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anyway the actual problem with cultist being easy is that it invalidates most golem content in vanilla

dull heart
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sometimes yes

sick lotus
# dusk bronze wgat

Chat was talking about some mod that has weird changes like locking furnaces behind a miniboss earlier, I thought we were still on that.

misty wren
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a fight can be well designed and easy but a fight being easy doesnt make it fine

dusk bronze
dull heart
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that was still relevant tbf

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They just missed the context of how we were talking about how that mod sounds like something I would make

sick lotus
grave geyser
sick lotus
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Plus people were still talking about it when the rhythm mod got brought up.

fringe quiver
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some games just aren't meant to be or trying to be difficult and thats ok

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nto every game needs to be hard

dull heart
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difficulty is entirely unrelated to how good something is

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It's literally not possible to lose at slay the princess but it's still the goat

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the difficulty of the pillars I'm pretty certain is meant to make up for the difficulty of cultist

grave geyser
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which is a fine idea on paper until you consider that melting cultist and then just throwing yourself at your pillar of choice until it dies is still infinitely less effort than doing like, either of the optional bosses

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or the moons, for that matter

fringe quiver
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eh

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I think the problem with pillars isn't that they're too easy

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it's that they're just boring as fuck

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Or more specifically

rose laurel
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Pillars are not easy.

fringe quiver
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They're stuck in a limbo where they're either boring as fuck or extremely frustrating

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And neither of those are fun

rose laurel
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Well, they are in Calamity.

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Due to the absurd powercreep in mobbing.

fringe quiver
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Once you first do them they're annoying as shit. When you have to do them afterwards to just grind for materials they're just

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insanely boring

misty wren
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pillars are boring as fuck until you get to the one that counters your build and then they become bullshit

fringe quiver
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Pillars are just never fun

rose laurel
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Solar is probably the closest one to being fun.

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It offers a unique challenge with very little bullshit, it is just poorly tuned.

dusk bronze
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nebula can eat my entire ass

long wing
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hardest part of making a terraria youtube video is trying to make the pillars interesting

dusk bronze
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it sucks every time

rose laurel
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Nebula is easily the worst, yes.

grave geyser
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pillars aren't easy but they are easy to cheese

rose laurel
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Vortex is the opposite of Solar.

grave geyser
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or in this case, brute force

rose laurel
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It has a cool gimmick but it is poorly tuned in the opposite way.

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Solar is too hard, Vortex is too easy.

dusk bronze
rose laurel
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And Stardust is just there I guess.

dusk bronze
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for no reason

rose laurel
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Stardust has no gimmick which is the weird part.

dusk bronze
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the cells i guess????

grave geyser
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stardusts gimick is invalidated by the pillar enemy cap

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the pillars attack and star cells gives the vibe that they want it to swarm you

fringe quiver
grave geyser
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but since pillar mobs are capped at 8

fringe quiver
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It's not outright Fun but its the least offesnive one

grave geyser
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its just a normal amount of enemy

fringe quiver
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My least favorite is by far stardust i think

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though Nebula also sucks yeah

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specially those teleporting bastards

rose laurel
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Solar wants to keep you grounded and bombard you with aggressive and fast enemies.

Vortex wants to overwhelm you with sheer numbers and corner you with Distorted.

Nebula wants to make you keep up with many things at once while trying to take away your means to do so.

Stardust...

fringe quiver
rose laurel
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Stardust has...

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Enemies.

lavish otter
fringe quiver
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I think Starudst just

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fully leans into enemy spam

rose laurel
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Small issue.

dusk bronze
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except it literally can't

misty wren
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pillars enemy cap

rose laurel
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Vortex already does that and 20 times better.

fringe quiver
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This made me realize something

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was Storm Weaver named like that because of the fact Milkyway Weavers exist

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They're both space worms

dull heart
rose laurel
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I have no idea.

lavish otter
fringe quiver
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I wouldn't be surprised tbh

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Never thought about it

dull heart
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limiting the spawns to specific shield amounts makes the pillars way less insane

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Especially solar

rose laurel
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Shame.

misty wren
rose laurel
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1 - Crawltipedes need to be made less aggressive;
2 - Corites need to be slower;
3 - Make the Pillar attack actually meaningful;
4 - Make every enemy faster but make all of them have charge-up attacks. That way you will be constantly forced into the air to dodge them but still have ample time to see it coming.

wide wadi
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Bruh your working on calamity mod it’s supposed to be a hard pillar to fight

rose laurel
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Basically, Solar should be entirely about forcing you into the air, while making so doing that is not an instant annihilation from Crawltipedes.

grave geyser
rose laurel
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While still being entirely doable to remain grounded.

grave geyser
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its fun to play airborn and just kill them

dusk bronze
rose laurel
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I personally believe they should have a timer, in a way.

fringe quiver
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Limiting mobility options is a interesting concpet on paper like the pillars do with making you less incentivized to fly

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However i think it's hard to pull off in terraria specifically

rose laurel
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If you fly for too long, they will get you.

fringe quiver
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Not impossible, i think it can work and be done really well

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But a big thing is that terraria combat is extremely simple at its core

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So the player's mobility options are a huge part of its depth

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By removing those options you need to counterbalance it somehow i think

rose laurel
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That is partly why I am so conflicted on Rams, if you are curious.

fringe quiver
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You need to give supplements that replace the fun that that mobility option would've given to the player, while also providing them with smth different

rose laurel
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Rams add a massive new depth to combat in Terraria, the problem is they are so absurdly powerful they end up being unhealthy.

fringe quiver
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Which naturally generating boss arenas are a good step for that

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Because you can use the actual stage design as a way to flesh out said boss fighta nd to give the player more options

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Just plopping a boss that disables ur wings or smth as a normal boss that u can just summon everywhere would in most situations be hard to pull off i think, but if you give said boss an actual dedicated arena (like say, i think future ravager plans?)

dusk bronze
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my probably hot take in the larger tmod community is that bosses should be doable and fun without any manmade arena at all

fringe quiver
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it can definitely work

fringe quiver
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I frankly don't like manmade arenas much

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I do like natural arenas though

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Because they add a level design element

dusk bronze
#

it just seems most modded bosses are designed around arenas for some reason

fringe quiver
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Givging a boss an actual place you fight it in gives it a hwole new layer of depth yo ucan explore

dusk bronze
fringe quiver
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You now have one whole ass new element you can design a boss fight around, while usually you'd only have 2

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the boss's own behavior and attacks, and the player

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Now i don't htink EVERY boss should have an natural arena

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I think that'd be unhealthy

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and ultimately, yeah

dusk bronze
#

king slime den

fringe quiver
#

some bosses deifnitely should be designed around just being Spawned in the world

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but some bosses can be really great with an natural arena

fringe quiver
misty wren
#

natural arena is also a bit weird because the part where terraria is a sandbox

fringe quiver
#

🔥

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the Eye Tower

fringe quiver
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A natural arena is no different from a structure that is guaranteed to generate in your world

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I guess you could argue that it's like

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Taking away freedom from the player

dusk bronze
#

something i've always kinda wanted in basecal was that draedon lab arena subworld from the infernum exos trailer

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shit was sick

misty wren
#

i build a bunch of shit in the arena and now that arena doesnt really work that well

fringe quiver
#

I mean you can just

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make it so you can't build there.

#

😭

rose laurel
# rose laurel Rams add a massive new depth to combat in Terraria, the problem is they are so a...

With the way Terraria works, dodging something vertically is almost always the ideal option due to the fact that the ground exists. Almost every single enemy in the game will operate primarily on the X Axis, even flying enemies due to how horizontal movement is far more accessible than vertical for most of the game. This is why Wings are so powerful, due to how many enemies rely on the ground to work.

This, in turn, means that the ground very often becomes a "no-no" zone in Terraria. It is constantly filled with several enemies, and it inherently limits your options by removing 1/4th of your movement options while every enemy also serves as a blockade where you cannot dodge towards without trading damage; this is doubly true in Vanilla where Shield of Cthulhu is the only dash option for the majority of the game.

Rams open up grounded combat because now enemies are no longer inherent walls. You can get past them now. This opens up many options to how grounded combat can work, because now your options are far less limited.

dusk bronze
fringe quiver
#

There's the sub-world option if you want to like save up space in the main world i Guess but like

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realistically

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80% of the terraria map is Generic Caves

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I don't think

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anyone's gonna. miss some of that

misty wren
fringe quiver
#

I guessssss but again

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you already dont use 80% of the map as is

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I don't think it's out of the ordinary for a sandbox game to have some places that are a bit more creativley restraining providing the game as a whole still isn't

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Like how you can't break the gateway in ancient cities

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or end portal frames

dusk bronze
fringe quiver
#

Obv not as extreme but yeah

grave geyser
dusk bronze
#

i agree but i was just trying to make a shitpost and grabbed the first subworlds i thought of

misty wren
#

there is/was a bee subworld in remnants wasnt there

dusk bronze
#

idk

rose laurel
#

Building arenas is just not fun most of the time.

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Specially in the underground.

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"Oh no I have to open up a giant hole in another biome. How riveting."

fringe quiver
#

Building arenas is very not fun and also using arenas in of itself often feels not fun

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atleast to me

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Yet some bosses just Need them

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and it's lame .

rose laurel
#

I think building arenas is fun if you are in the very early game and dedicate yourself a lot to them.

fringe quiver
#

I think ideally bosses should either

rose laurel
#

But only if they are above ground.

white aurora
#

i hate making arenas for plantera in vanilla so much

dusk bronze
#

there probably needs to be another way to restore flight time midair
(no not grappling hooks)

fringe quiver
#

A. Be designed without arenas in mind
B. Be designed with specific naturally generating arenas in mind

I frankly see no advantage on having bosses be designed around YOU youDONTgettodecide building arenas

dusk bronze
rose laurel
misty wren
dusk bronze
#

doesn't count

rose laurel
#

If you want to replenish your flight time on the fly you have to build an arena.

rose laurel
dusk bronze
misty wren
#

i enjoy making arenas because of multiplayer pushing me in the direction of making them full builds

rose laurel
#

Bosses should not be designed around arenas.

rose laurel
#

We have beat every Boss in this game without an arena.

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All we do is make a general flat area to land on.

dusk bronze
#

feasible ≠ possible

rose laurel
#

You say that as if we are some sort of God gamers or whatever.

#

Our average playthroughs lacked any arena.

fringe quiver
#

With the former, you can make simpler boss design that dosen't need the player to familiarize themselves with an actual stage and thus is easier to get into, besides the fact it is more accessible overall due to having a wider area you can just kinda Spawn it in. + Less effort for devs as a whole

The latter can allow for more in-depth boss designs with the addition of a third element of stage design, and can also provide the player with a entirely unique challenge/experience not really able to be replicated elsewhere (Aswell as potential great atmosphere.), but it also means the boss is less accessible due to needing players to head towards a specific location to fight it and it also is more effort both for devs and players

So both of them have their advantages and disadvantages, which is why i think both of them can be valid for different bosses in a mod

rose laurel
#

Of course, underground Bosses are the exception to this.

fringe quiver
#

But them there's like

grave geyser
fringe quiver
#

genuinely no advantages i can think of for bosses that rely on player built arenas

rose laurel
#

But DoG, Yharon, Exos?

#

All perfectly doable without arenas.

#

Well, Exos depends on your definition of an arena I guess.

dusk bronze
#

it's not interesting, challenging or fun

#

just tedious busywork

grave geyser
#

dissagree on 1 and 3 tbh

fringe quiver
#

The only fun that can come out of building arena is the fun that comes from just, building

grave geyser
#

mainly 3

fringe quiver
#

And that's not because you're building an arena

#

it's because you're Building

storm timber
dusk bronze
#

there are significantly better ways to incentivize building

rose laurel
#

The only thing I believe a Boss should ask is a flat and open area.

grave geyser
#

I think arena building being interesting is strictly a context thing but I for one do in fact enjoy mindlessly placing platforms

fringe quiver
#

you're deranged and your input will not be taken in account

rose laurel
#

Which is why pre-made arenas for underground Bosses should definitely be provided by the game.

grave geyser
dusk bronze
grave geyser
#

preaching to the choir is practically my MO

misty wren
#

(thats not what that means)

grave geyser
#

yeah I figured

#

I sent the message and was like "wait that doesnt sound right"

dusk bronze
#

preaching to the choir means like
mansplaining but way more generalized

grave geyser
#

ah

dusk bronze
#

you're informing/ranting about something your audience already agrees with

#

anyway uh

#

scourge nests

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good idea 👍

fringe quiver
#

my gif

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my desert scourge gifs

dusk bronze
#

the lads

#

i wonder what the nests will look like

#

actually no idea

rose laurel
#

Likely very nested.

lean relic
fringe quiver
lavish otter
fringe quiver
#

idrm dont quote me on that

lavish otter
white aurora
fringe quiver
#

i miss my wife

lapis oak
#

I miss my SSO

vivid hemlock
#

🚬

vestal osprey
#

I miss it alot

#

Ill be back

strong isle
strong isle
#

Bosses and the environment around them should definitely synergize

rose laurel
#

My statement assumes the Boss does not have an arena given by the game to the player.

strong isle
#

Yeah, in that case....

buoyant pulsar
#

?????

#

public if i have to go out of my way to find it or

summer shore
#

It was posted like 10 tiimes in this channel yesterday

buoyant pulsar
#

oh i found it 2 seconds later

#

oops

arctic cliff
#

its perfectly okay to do so

#

At least, arena-based in the sense of having built-in arena

buoyant pulsar
#

i saw this before i saw the actual sprite so i thought it was just a really weirdly high quality shitpost

arctic cliff
#

i mean, this is a high-quality shitpost

buoyant pulsar
#

true

lusty stirrup
lean relic
#

3d angle Yhon

lusty stirrup
#

yhon 3d model

white vigil
#

Pop-a-squat Yharon

white aurora
#

yhon

past ravine
#

if I were the typa guy to hypothetically join the server just to ask when the sunken sea overhaul releases to start a new playthrough after a while, what sorta response would that guy get?

tribal isle
lean relic
#

even devs dont know

#

but can say early 2026

past ravine
#

💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔 💔

tribal isle
#

chuddy

rich ginkgo
#

since when did yharon sprite go public what

past ravine
#

thank god I have that dog resprite comin up tho right...

lean relic
tribal isle
#

That’s in a later big update

rich ginkgo
#

oh

#

the gatekeeping period has ended

#

ggs

tribal isle
past ravine
#

im gonna forget about this server until a big update and get so jolly

#

long term investment

rich ginkgo
#

hahaha bee

arctic cliff
#

when sso releases, we should gaslight people by pretending it hasnt released

rich ginkgo
#

ive been on bee swarm simulator for 3 days straight now

arctic cliff
#

and still post amidias brainrot

rich ginkgo
#

if only sso would drop like tomorrow and end my streak 👀👀👀

#

i wish i had a free bag of ssoooooooo 👀👀👀

past ravine
white aurora
#

hungry for updates... Endless_Hunger

arctic cliff
#

now that would be genuinely evil ngl

tribal isle
dusk bronze
tribal isle
#

I’m gonna have kids by the time yharim drops

dusk bronze
#

my comically ambitious minecraft mod i haven't even started yet might be done

thorny glacier
#

logschange morrowto

raven verge
#

huh

hoary edge
#

banger

#

omega banger

tribal isle
#

add sonic the hedgehog

sudden shell
#

bonk! can somebody get me up to date with the status of calamity's updates?

hushed hazel
#

when was the last time you checked

sudden shell
#

few years ago

valid crypt
sudden shell
#

yeah I remember that actually

#

what happened after it

torn kite
valid crypt
#

if you havent seen since the 22 incident theres now a new dev team

sudden shell
#

embed fail

valid crypt
sudden shell
#

I thought it was a joke

#

so is the new dev team overhauling the mod? I heard of a sunken sea update I think

valid crypt
#

i dont interact with pooper mcfart to tell if it is or not

hushed hazel
#

i think that's the most major things

hushed hazel
sudden shell
#

so no changes there, got it

soft dome
severe nebula
#

why that lowk reminds me of Gerson

dusk bronze
#

hmm

#

you have a true

tropic jolt
#

give the dragon a hammer

dusty tinsel
#

Xeroc will release in the year 1

hot pebble
#

new spoilers?

fierce nebula
#

1 after kirk

dusk bronze
#

that's it

hot pebble
#

WHERE!?

dusk bronze
#

.

hot pebble
#

Ahhhhhhhh

#

awesome

wise bolt
flat rose
#

holy shit

hasty hawk
wide wadi
#

This has been in the cooker for like 2 years now

rich ginkgo
#

no it hasnt

valid crypt
dusk bronze
#

but the general concept of a yharon resprite is nearly as old as the boss

rich ginkgo
#

cant wait to see him animated

wooden blade
dusk bronze
#

the new one is allegedly more complete than any previous version

valid crypt
rich ginkgo
#

there’s a chance it comes out sometime between sso 1 and sso 2 from what ive heard before

#

surprisingly

dense sundial
#

And my favorite one (the maniraptoran tail pulls a lot of weight ngl)

rich ginkgo
#

yeah making him a lot spikier and ragged was a really good idea

#

dude just looked greasy before

#

😭

dense sundial
#

It’s just that the jury’s still out on whether anything ever happens

tropic jolt
#

nothing ever happens

dusk bronze
rich ginkgo
#

wash up ma boy

IMG_0874.png
lapis oak
#

oiled up

#

now de-oiled

tropic jolt
#

the rise of yhon

rich ginkgo
#

this is why dia’s the goat

#

finally saved yharon from 6 years

#

of sprite hell

dull heart
#

also not having the human looking legs and thighs

#

Thank goodness

rich ginkgo
#

oh yeah that too lol

dense sundial
rich ginkgo
#

i also really like the 2 little idk what to call them

#

the little uh

#

antennas coming off his head

#

we’ll go with that

granite forum
rich ginkgo
#

no

dusk bronze
dusk bronze
#

they're peam

rich ginkgo
#

yes

lapis oak
#

I just love how cranked up the saturation in Dia's sprites

rich ginkgo
#

yeah and the colors

#

so vibrant

dusk bronze
dense sundial
dull heart
#

honestly we should code animate them

dusk bronze
#

ooh maybe

dense sundial
#

Please rig it please rig it please

dull heart
rich ginkgo
#

yesss

dense sundial
#

It will be far less work and far more flexible

dull heart
#

yup

rich ginkgo
#

that secondary animation 🤤

tropic jolt
#

yharons lava chicken though...

dull heart
#

it just needs Dia to do the sprite differently

dense sundial
#

To the point I think it would be genuinely stupid to not rig it

dull heart
#

Agreed

#

a ribbon would be much more sensical

#

like bendy scourge

dusk bronze
tropic jolt
#

I wonder if yharon will get his own update

rich ginkgo
#

id assume so yeah

dusk bronze
#

he will

dull heart
dense sundial
#

2.1.x or 2.2.x or such

dusk bronze
rich ginkgo
#

resprite + rework in one separate package

dusk bronze
#

like
exos rework + theme will be its own update

rich ginkgo
#

can we give yharon death animation too

dusk bronze
#

i forgot will yhon still have red lightning

rich ginkgo
#

i wanna see him fade to dust 🥹

dusk bronze
#

probably not

dull heart
#

yharon already explodes

dusk bronze
#

the new provi death anim though..

lapis oak
dusk bronze
#

ennway absolutely COOKED

dusk bronze
rich ginkgo
dusk bronze
#

no

lapis oak
#

that's just Fab plan

rich ginkgo
#

i feel like i havent seen that one before

#

is it public

#

or patreon

dusk bronze
lapis oak
#

???

#

what are you even saying HDfailure

tropic jolt
#

pretty sure thats patreon only

dusk bronze
#

wait nvm i'm dumb

dull heart
#

I don't think anything provi has been shown here

tropic jolt
#

roasted lesbians 💔

lapis oak
#

tupid

dusk bronze
#

got confused bc gilded proboscis showcase

dull heart
#

yeah gilded proboscis was current Provi

dusk bronze
#

i rember now

dull heart
#

and lies that showcase was built on lies

#

Specifically Vermillion Flux, the debuff Proboscis did, didn't exist

#

I just copied it's sprite over elemental mix

final cedar
#

Why is the channel no longer called "spoiler talk"? Is something new going to happen?

dusk bronze
#

no

dull heart
#

Because people thought it meant in game spoilers

#

not future spoilers

dusk bronze
#

people kept getting confused

mystic eagle
tropic jolt
#

update talk means update tomorrow

final cedar
dusk bronze
#

anyway doze do you know yharon red lightning status

#

i don't think it ever got deconfirmed

dull heart
#

no idea

dusk bronze
#

just forgotten

final cedar
#

And here I was thinking the update was out, time to go back to sleep

tropic jolt
#

😴

dull heart
tropic jolt
#

see you in september-october

final cedar
#

Thx

final cedar
dusk bronze
#

celebrations ringing out through the streets

dense sundial
dusk bronze
#

yeah like
obviously you can't animate the wings via rigging

dense sundial
#

I guess rigging is the wrong word here

#

But yeah

molten grove
#

wings and tail gotta be hand done ..

dense sundial
#

I can see the tassels being rigged with physics, most of the rest of him being separate sprite animations, and possibly the tail being both

pseudo vector
#

the tassels can probably be handled using the same sort of tech used on sylvestaff

dusk bronze
#

code anims would be so peak...

lapis oak
#

so it's gonna get fucked in multi?

pseudo vector
#

idk

lapis oak
#

😔

#

iirc the ribbon has displacement issue on multi

pseudo vector
#

the wings and tail would be hand animated which would take
a lot of effort

dense sundial
#

Ever heard of Nameless Deity(?) buddy

pseudo vector
#

and the limbs and mouth could probably be code animated

grave geyser
#

how is fables crab in mult

molten grove
torn kite
dense sundial
grave geyser
#

LOL

grave geyser
torn kite
#

Shit ok

#

Lmao

dense sundial
#

Anyway, my point in bringing that up is that multiplayer doesn’t have to have anything to do with stability

#

You just have to code it the right way, like anything else

dull heart
dense sundial
#

Optimization is a similar argument; things run badly because of how they work internally, not just because of their graphical fidelity or such

dull heart
#

multiplayer testing sucks to do though

dense sundial
#

Look at Nameless, he runs great

winged fern
#

is there an official release date for the update?

torn kite
#

Pins

winged fern
#

ahh right

lapis oak
dense sundial
#

it's not the same implementation, so regardless yeah

lapis oak
#

actually

#

wondering if that's even Cal's fault

#

the person that reported it might just ran 500+ mods at the same time tbh

dusk bronze
#

only creates unnecessary pressure

#

update is done when it's done

winged fern
#

yeah but there must be some time frame, because i swear its been in development for years now

dusk bronze
#

the timeframe is: sometime next year

cunning sequoia
#

theres pressure either way cause people have no patience but yknow, better than having to move the goalpost constantly

winged fern
#

people have no patience probably because they're losing hope in a release date icl, but if its confirmed for next year then im happy with that

#

at least its some type of confirmation yk

dusk bronze
#

not confirmed but extremely likely

winged fern
#

ah right

dusk bronze
#

if it's not until 2027 there's genuinely something wrong

cunning sequoia
#

working on calamity isnt a 9 to 5

#

devs work when they want to

dusk bronze
#

it's a volunteer project

#

they all have actual jobs

#

or at least most hopefully

#

also there's the fact that the main thing holding the update back iirc is tile sprites, and like 4 artists left this year, one's super busy and one's on hiatus

#

so yeah

#

not great

dense sundial
tropic jolt
dull heart
#

just sprites in general

dusk bronze
#

damn

dull heart
#

and some other things

lapis oak
#

Cnidrion mine...

molten grove
lapis oak
#

HOLY NEW CNIDRION IS HERE

twin bloom
#

This must be for sso!!clueless

tropic jolt
#

I think this might be for calamity

valid crypt
dusk bronze
#

why does earth (sword) look like that

valid crypt
#

Wait yeah

azure oak
#

what is the first item in the hotbar also why is the mount a flying shoe

dusk bronze
#

oh my god i didn't even notice the shoe 😭

dull heart
#

its almost like it's some sort of

#

remix

stone fiber
steep path
pulsar cobalt
#

god bless yuh our new lead spriter

amber furnace
molten grove
#

king YuH ‼️

arctic cliff
#

...the blood of the dark soul?

fast prairie
#

Add a class based on toilets and throwing poop

mystic eagle
fast prairie
dull heart
#

bad choice for any message

arctic cliff
wide wadi
tall relic
#

Bro atp it's gonna be " We got GTA6 before SSO" TwT

wide wadi
#

And you can make the zenith toilet shoot nuclear poop

modern grove
#

radioactive wastes just got a new meaning

hasty hawk
viral merlin
#

Are we getting the yeti crabs in sunken sigma overhaul

hasty hawk
#

the fuck is a yeti crab

viral merlin
#

they are crabs
that live around deep-sea hydrothermal vents and cold seeps

#

look them up

hasty hawk
#

oh those fellas look cool

#

but idk

#

they’d fit abyss more imo

viral merlin
#

perhaps

amber egret
#

can i see one

sand dome
#

There will eventually be an abyss crab tho

#

I should remake a proper sheet for that

amber egret
#

would the abyss crabs be cousins of crabulon or would they be smaller

sand dome
#

Smaller

#

They’re gonna be hermit crabs

amber egret
#

yay!!$

pulsar cobalt
#

every time i hear of yeti crabs i can only think of the disappointing abomination that is crabominable

grave geyser
#

crabominable is funky

wide wadi
pearl sentinel
pulsar cobalt
#

and then it wasnt

#

and then the evolution was worse

grave geyser
#

still reminded of the trailer where they had crabrawler blowing up all these meta pokemon like it was gonna be some insane powerhouse

grave geyser
valid crypt
coral shuttle
#

all these crabominable haters dont deserve the goat

grave geyser
#

its fine ||mega crabominable|| will save it

#

trust

stone fiber
pulsar cobalt
#

i dont WANT ur """goat"""

pearl sentinel
#

imagine caring about whether a pokemon is good or not

coral shuttle
pearl sentinel
#

i like having FUN in pokemon games

grave geyser
#

yeah and?

pulsar cobalt
arctic cliff
#

i dont know anything about za but i am elated to say that upon looking up ||mega crabominable||, i have become a better person

#

actually a good design ngl

fierce hearth
#

Who finally changed the name of the channel

#

This is a revolutionary change. It will singlehandedly save the community

arctic cliff
#

vote by staff

white vigil
lavish otter
cunning sequoia
#

sso tomorrow

lean relic
#

even moderators are slowly infected by sso brainrot

dusty tinsel
#

SSO tomorrow

rose radish
tidal yarrow
#

buff community

#

please

grave geyser
#

community does not deserve to be good

#

lamest accessory of all time

random roost
#

sunken sea update when

cunning sequoia
#

its just kinda bland

tidal yarrow
cunning sequoia
#

like oh wow its a stat tick for every single stat but 75% of them arent even noticable

#

and it doesnt get good until like 10 bosses after you get it

tidal yarrow
#

just give it some slight buffs at the very least

grave geyser
pulsar cobalt
#

every accessory got the:
generic stat increase
generic stat increase
generic stat increase
generic stat increase
generic stat increase

holy shit i think i just made a stat stick!

wide nova
#

i just like the community cause its nice to look at

cunning sequoia
#

its pretty yeah

tidal yarrow
cunning sequoia
#

shame that its so boring

grave geyser
#

I did

#

and even in that context I think its fine

tidal yarrow
grave geyser
#

its bad but good if you feel like being lazy

cunning sequoia
#

theres worse accessories for sure

arctic cliff
#

mans calling a scaling accessory with a god-tier sprite "lame" and thinks it "does not deserve to be good"

cunning sequoia
#

it's just kinda nothing tbh

tidal yarrow
cunning sequoia
#

yharim's gift

pulsar cobalt
#

calling it one of the worst when void of extinction and GOD FORBID CAMPER exist

tidal yarrow
#

I really cant think of any

arctic cliff
#

i just had a hilarious idea tho

cunning sequoia
#

elysian tracers too actually

tidal yarrow
cunning sequoia
#

for sure

grave geyser
arctic cliff
#

a few years back, lore items actually gave you bonuses for just having them in your inventory

grave geyser
#

summoner emblem

tidal yarrow
arctic cliff
#

what if we just stole that for the accessory

cunning sequoia
#

it's a seemingly high stat tick that drops from a boss 100% of the time

grave geyser
cunning sequoia
#

people will gladly slap it on because its so easy to get

arctic cliff
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it gets new "unique" effects from each boss you kill

tidal yarrow
cunning sequoia
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but its just kinda bad

arctic cliff
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unironically why is it kinda bad

tidal yarrow
grave geyser
rose radish
cunning sequoia
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byeah community is not that bad as an accessory, just kinda below average

tidal yarrow
cunning sequoia
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it IS really really lame though and deserves a rework

grave geyser
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below average at all times is a fine place for comm to be imo

tidal yarrow
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not by a large margin, but even slightly still means its better

arctic cliff
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it has good stats, and not much else, sure, but 15% damage/movement speed and 15 defense is pretty decent

pulsar cobalt
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the most mid thing ever

tidal yarrow
arctic cliff
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to be fair, it doesnt do much else tho

pulsar cobalt
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like you cannot be more mid than yharims gift

tidal yarrow
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I would say theyre as good, like theyre both around the same level of value'

pulsar cobalt
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its just

cunning sequoia
pulsar cobalt
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a stat stick

tidal yarrow
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so my point still stands strong

cunning sequoia
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youre pretty much only using it for the two stats which. just use like amalgam or something

pulsar cobalt
cunning sequoia
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at least that gives you a free dodge

arctic cliff
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got it

fathom girder
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Yharim's gift would be cool if it was like

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idk

dusk bronze
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did anything

arctic cliff
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oh fuck i forgot this is current

fathom girder
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gave a unique effect based on your highest class multi

arctic cliff
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it previously had 30 defense

pulsar cobalt
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yharims gift should turn you into loader from ror2

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let you punch your enemies

fathom girder
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so if your buffs are mostly ranger

barren nacelle
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What’s poppin homos

fathom girder
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you get a special buff

cunning sequoia
arctic cliff
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you could also rework the meteor mechanic in that case

pulsar cobalt
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i wanna play like yharim and i genuinely believe that is just loader ror2

rose radish
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What

grave geyser
rose radish
tidal yarrow
# rose radish Community gives more damage, same +max health, more regen and mobility

it gives (at 88.1% power/after Polterghast):
4% Crit
9.1% Damage (13.1% dps stats)
9% Max hp (ok )
2 Regen
4.55% DR
9 Defense
9.1% Movement speed
18.2% Flight time

Compared to the Affliction as it's a similar multi stat accessory at post Polterghast:

0.5 HP/s (this is the only point at which the Affliction loses to the Community, but if you consider how much better all the other stats are it's not a major lose)
7% damage reduction (as most things get's killed by DR curve, but not nearly as much as <5% would)
13 defense (not an useful stat, but it's better then the Community is at it's max)
10% damage (just a solid amount of damage for a defensive accessory)
10% maximum health (not a lot but enough to be noticable (should be around +50 max hp))

at the end of the day the Affliction doesn't give mobility which is mostly not noticable anyways, and jsut has better stats where it matters asdide form regen, which still isn't horrible a a loss, since it's only about the same as not having a heart lantern and campfire around.

arctic cliff
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maybe for say magic, it would charge one up as you continously use mana until it maxes out, and then you stop using mana to unleash the meteor
rogue might summon a meteor on stealth strikes or whatever they'll be in the future™

rose radish
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Like the affliction

arctic cliff
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ohright