#calamity-update-talk

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tropic jolt
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WE will be in sso

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all of us

thorny glacier
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changelogs will be in sso

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tomorrow to be exact

tropic jolt
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changelogs are cancelled

thorny glacier
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no they are not.

distant raft
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they are

thorny glacier
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just wait and see their arrival

dull heart
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what if i told you they actually were cancelled

thorny glacier
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lies.

fierce nebula
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I eated changelogs

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I eated the entire update

lapis oak
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Whatever u say doze

thorny glacier
amber furnace
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this gets funnier the 999th time

tropic jolt
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it does

strong isle
sick lotus
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Ooh

stark quail
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yayyyy

IMG_0295.png
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im happy this is something that the team wants to work on

sick lotus
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Profaned biome is the only new one planned iirc

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Unless you count subworlds.

vivid hemlock
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what

sick lotus
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Talking about new biomes

stark quail
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i assume a lot of biome reworks are planned

dusk bronze
stark quail
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which would probably implement post ml things

vivid hemlock
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profane isnt the only new one planned and is also one of the maybes

sick lotus
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It's the only post ml focused one that I can think of

vivid hemlock
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oh thats what you meant

sick lotus
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Cause like the perennial one or whatever would be hardmode

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Same for the plague one if it gets added.

dusk bronze
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the distortion will be most of the postmoonlord non-boss content

sick lotus
dusk bronze
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subworlds are important

vivid hemlock
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the distortion will have multiple biomes

dusk bronze
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you can't not count them

vivid hemlock
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and will be the bulk of post ml exploration

stark quail
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post-ml IS my biggest issue w calamity but it makes sense it isnt fleshed out fully because they didn't have stuff to work off of

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vanilla stops at mo lmao

sick lotus
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Aerie is almost entirely for the Yharim fight right?

stark quail
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ml

vivid hemlock
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aerie is mainly just for yharim yeah

dusk bronze
vivid hemlock
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theres stuff to do i imagine but we dont exactly know what

stark quail
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id say the most we have in terms of exploration is uhh

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abyss layer 4

sick lotus
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There'll probably be a lot of lore stuff there, not sure what else.

stark quail
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but u can get there pre ml so whatever

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this person absolutely gets it

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mystic eagle
vivid hemlock
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yeah this is what the future biome updates are for

stark quail
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that makes me happy

mystic eagle
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But quality takes time so expect it to take a while

stark quail
tropic jolt
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the reddit can be smart sometimes when its not acting as a ignorant hateful circlejerk

stark quail
mystic eagle
sick lotus
stark quail
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im excited for SSO....

mystic eagle
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SSO, just a week away!

stark quail
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actually that makes me wonder

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will SSO be a 1.4.5 port

tropic jolt
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it got here so fast

stark quail
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or will that be later on

lone bone
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Bro 1.4.5 aint even out

mystic eagle
tropic jolt
sick lotus
mystic eagle
stark quail
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fair

sick lotus
stark quail
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1.4.5 seems kinda massive its scary lol

lone bone
tropic jolt
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1.4.5 is very close

stark quail
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1.4.5 is out within next month

sick lotus
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They're hoping for like January.

stark quail
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thats confirmed lol

sick lotus
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It won't be later than spring at least, sso I have no clue though.

lone bone
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Damn 1.4.5 is real?

sick lotus
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Yes

stark quail
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but yeah its been in the works for 3 years its boutta be a MASSIVE update

tropic jolt
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1.4.5 is huge but theres not any specific area receiving massive amounts of new content so hopefully porting is not a large challenge

stark quail
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calamity skyblock seed? šŸ‘€

tropic jolt
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that probably will happen

stark quail
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thatd be really silly lmao i hope it does

tropic jolt
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I think doze and raesh said they would work on it

lone bone
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Didnt calamities new update fuck the fishing mechanic

stark quail
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smth w crates

dusty tinsel
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All they did was make crates consistent with vanilla crates

sick lotus
lone bone
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Oof man

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Thatll suck for calamity skyblock

sick lotus
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Yup

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Like all cal items got removed from vanilla crates or something.

stark quail
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wonder how they'll work with thay for skyblock

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skyblock will 100% be the first thing i do when 1.4.5 drops

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...other than edit the wiki a lot probably

distant raft
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just shifts calclone and ravager to postml iirc

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not ravager

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one of the bosses

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i forget which one

dusty tinsel
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Well ravager will be moving to post ML eventually anyway so that's fitting XD

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If that were the case

stark quail
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ravager is the most boss ever

dusty tinsel
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Ravager update will be cool šŸ”„

tropic jolt
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very ravenous indeed

azure oak
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do we know if geodes are gonna be removed or not

tulip gulch
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oh the new update seems like it could be sick

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WOAH

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ACTUAL TRUE MELEE

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and return of shivs

warm loom
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Im thinking about that new update

dusk bronze
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whar about it

white aurora
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lets have a think... šŸ§ 

tropic jolt
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šŸ‘€šŸ§ 

lusty stirrup
lean relic
fierce nebula
lavish otter
amber furnace
tulip gulch
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they're adding back one of the shivs

hot pebble
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I brought back some takeout, so like let's get down and pig out
It's True Melee!
WHERE?

azure oak
sand dome
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Knives being rogue weapons makes sense, thereā€™s some cool stuff you can do with blink + backstab type attacks that isnā€™t used much afaik

hot pebble
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head hit boxes for headshot crits and back hitbox for backstab crit

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sounds difficult to code

sand dome
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My idea wasnā€™t so much specifically backstabs but just making some attacks feel like backstabs

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Like using full rogue stealth to blink to a target and hit them with a stabby feeling melee attack that gives some iframes or something to emulate a backstab

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Devs probably already have some stuff cooked up though so it likely wonā€™t be exactly like that

dusty tinsel
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If you land an attack you instantly win

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But to compensate they make dodge rate of enemies 99.9999% chance and your weapons try and miss on purpose /j

sand dome
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New accuracy stat added time to become a terraria accuracy stacker

dull heart
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wulfrum knife is cool in 2.1

dusty tinsel
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Impossible

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The only thing I use wulfrum knives for is to craft the crystalline lol

strong isle
tropic jolt
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did the redditors stop trying to murder you

dull heart
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yes

shell sapphire
rich ginkgo
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but of course thereā€™s always gonna be that loud minority

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itā€™s mainly over the crates, i still dont think itā€™s that big of a deal though even with how illogical the change is

lavish otter
shell sapphire
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Yayaya I was wondering where that was

lavish otter
sand dome
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people dropping all sense of aggression when they know a dev actually sees them

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A tale as old as time

lofty valley
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theres gotta be a term for that

dull heart
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I've started to do more stuff in the reddit too recently but not nearly as much as stip or yuh

lofty valley
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I gotta say I appreciate how active the devs are in the community with transparency n stuff

sand dome
molten grove
cunning sequoia
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good ol mob mentality

dusk bronze
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once you get 2 downvotes you're just fucked

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no recovery

vivid hemlock
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depopulate the reddit

lusty stirrup
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can we just kill reddit

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nothing good ever comes from reddit

molten grove
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no, if it goes, all the evil will travel somewhere else

distant raft
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exactly

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reddit and 4chan are prisons

stone fiber
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Are we
You know what
I'm not even surprised

arctic cliff
mystic eagle
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"So to a casual player it just seems like loot was removed from the crates wth no compensation in return" as if most casual players fished for crates

fringe quiver
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I think criticizng changes is fine

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I can absolutely see the argument htat

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Some of the crate nerfs were, too much

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But people are

mystic eagle
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That's kinda one of my main issues with these situations, people like pretending the problem is big and hits everyone while in fact like 1.2% of the players get affected

fringe quiver
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extremely inflamattory about it and completely blow it out of the water

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And act as if the devs had no idea what they were doing

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When in reality

sly delta
fringe quiver
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There was valid reasons to nerf crates

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And i do think some of the nerfs were good and warranted

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It just went overboard in some cases (Look at Crags crates, per example)

mystic eagle
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True

fringe quiver
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Like everytime someone thinks there was literally no reason to nerf crates, beyond just vanilla consistency

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Need i remind you the abyss crate gave literally

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Every single abyss material

arctic cliff
fringe quiver
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like All of them

sly delta
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the update isnt releasing like rn anyways so some testing to find which parts are balanced and which parts got hit too hard shouldnt be out of the picture

fringe quiver
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Depth cells, lumenyl, planty mush, fucking reaper teeth. Everything

mystic eagle
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Nerfs like the removal of HM Tier 2 and 3 ores from crates was actually a good thing, just don't play with the early HM ore rework

fringe quiver
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Yes, even PLANTY MUSH

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the item you can already FISH OUT BY DEFAULT

mystic eagle
sly delta
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idk why people be acting like they cant just.. test the changes and then tune it before actual release

spark kiln
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wait those changes arenā€™t out yet?

mystic eagle
distant raft
arctic cliff
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i think saying "casual players didnt use this anyways" is a bit stoopid and foolish
it also doesnt acknowledge the issue that the players who did take advantage of this are going to be hit unnecessarily hard

cunning sequoia
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the problem with people vocalizing the issue with the crate changes is that the majority only took parts of what was said and proceeded to regurgitate it without actually understanding the issue

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thats usually what happens

sly delta
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they are but its not like devs are banned from making further changes to their own game to patch up an overtuned fix ;-;

dull heart
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I'm surprised how much summon dmg nerf has come up in the thread

spark kiln
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people complaining about summoner nerfs?

dull heart
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The multiclass nerf

mystic eagle
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People complain about deserved nerfs all the time

cunning sequoia
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i mean yeah people just dont like nerfs

mystic eagle
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If they want "haha big damage funny", then use a burst weapon

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If they want "haha boss die fast", then use other mods to buff yourself

sly delta
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i meam free damage is still free damage im still taking that even if the free damage gets nerfed

spark kiln
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summoner is so overtuned to the point where it isnā€™t fun

cunning sequoia
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its easy to see something you like being nerfed and just brushing it off as devs hating fun

dull heart
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Yeah but like

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Defense damage I only saw once for example

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Same with cosmolight

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but summon penalty like 4 times

cunning sequoia
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calsub hates tanking

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and cosmolight ig is too recent for most ppl to remember

sly delta
cunning sequoia
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instead of nerfing 1 item you have to buff like 10 things to compensate

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but its better because nerfs bad

arctic cliff
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the whole thing with crates is that it boiled down to

  • crates were nerfed due to perfectly reasonable reasons such as crates being inconsistent with vanilla, and the fact that many of these crates in fact did give genuinely too much
  • unfortunately, the nerfs seemed to be performed pretty haphazardly, and were not even initially intended to be released pre-SSO. the nerfs got released early because apparently their code was inherently tied into a bug fix for the early HM changes that are toggleable.
  • nerfs in a PvE game tend to be not liked in general
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that was not intended to be posted this second but sure

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  • a lot of critique was prompted due to a recent video by a youtuber who had just finished a popular calamity challenge run, and who felt the changes would substantially negatively impact the challenge
spark kiln
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what i find crazy is just how aggressive the reaction is lol

arctic cliff
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i mean, it was a haphazard change

spark kiln
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i donā€™t see why that matters

crystal sonnet
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Release the update tomorrow pls

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Do it for me

cunning sequoia
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and uh

distant raft
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i like the part of the changes where the challenge isnt even killed it just has its routing changed a bit

arctic cliff
cunning sequoia
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we know how a youtuber voicing their opinion usually goes

sly delta
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but tbh i dont really understand the argument that a change would make a specific challenge harder and thats why the changes are bad

spark kiln
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changes shouldnā€™t be judged by how they affect self imposed challenges

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just a thought

fringe quiver
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Society if people formulated their own opinions instead of regurgitating the last thing they heard someone with more clout hear

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Answer me, Calamity Community. What do Crates need?

arctic cliff
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im mentioning da video due to the fact that it was what prompted so many people to complain about the changes

arctic cliff
fringe quiver
distant raft
sly delta
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like aint the point of a challenge to... overcome the inherent difficulty lying in the restrictions you put knowing that its not the intended experience anyways and the game wont be balanced around your challenge?

sand dome
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They should give me one billion dollars

uneven gate
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oh is planty mush being removed as a fishing pull?

fringe quiver
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No

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It's being removed from crates šŸ˜­

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Which

distant raft
fringe quiver
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ytes

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it's

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or we,, was

uneven gate
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aww, I dont like pulling planty mush

fringe quiver
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both in abyss crates and regular fishing pool from the sulph sea/ abyss

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which. why

cunning sequoia
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which iirc was not the case

hasty hawk
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we do not make targetted patches

distant raft
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werent the crate changes planned for like over a year too

fringe quiver
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That's a very crazy assumption to make im nto gonna lie

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Specially with no basis at all

cunning sequoia
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yeah this was cleared up a while ago now

fringe quiver
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People just gotta think more before acting man

cunning sequoia
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their issue wasnt even with the crates it was with mining armor

fringe quiver
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U have a large mass of neurons in ur head u genereally want to use them

uneven gate
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targeted? like targeted at crate lovers, to specifically spite people who likes to fish for crates?

fringe quiver
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It's tempting to act on your immediate first gut instinct but it's

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usually not a good idea

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And with just a little bit of foresight you can get a more clear and reasonable outlook on things

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Again. People gotta think for htemselves more

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Formulate your own opinions, you can obviously factor in other's input but don't just regurgitate what the last guy you heard said without even thinking 2 seconds about it

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thanks for listening to my ted talk

cunning sequoia
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youre expecting a lot from internet users

distant raft
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thiunking hard...............

verbal timber
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our brains are shrinking dot png

sly delta
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im pretty sure a significant amount of people started echoing things without really thinking about their own experience with the game as well

uneven gate
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where did i leave my thinking cap...

spark kiln
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thereā€™s people that unironically believe cal devs nerfed crates because of that one youtuber

sly delta
dusk bronze
spark kiln
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and they think theyā€™re lying about not having done that

uneven gate
sly delta
strong isle
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The fact summoner now has dedicated active weapons should lower the relative advantage of multiclassing to a point where we no longer have to enforce it

hard copper
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Wont the summon potion and bewitched reworks be enough to remove the summon damage nerf?

strong isle
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I'm not sure

hard copper
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Non summoners would be getting 1 instead of 3 summons, unless they use accessories to increase that, so that 1 doing 25% more damage wouldnt be a big deal.

hasty hawk
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def no

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with stuff like Snapthorn, Spinal Tap, and Kaleido nope

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stuff like firecracker is fine without attack speed shenanigans

boreal edge
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Changes to Summoning Potion and Bewitching Table wouldn't affect anything on their own

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They're one piece of the puzzle

hard copper
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Im confused? Those are whips, why would that change summon multiclassers

hasty hawk
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since tag debuffs can last a while unless its certain types

hard copper
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Oh I didnt realize people did that

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Yeah that makes sense, thank you

stone fiber
hard copper
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Summoning potion is 10% summon damage, and bewitching table is 10% whip speed iirc

hard copper
dull heart
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without penalty it's like, not even close

strong isle
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As I mentioned, it's not about making it necessarily even/balanced

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It's making it secondary enough to not need to enforce it

pulsar cobalt
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clearly the solution is to buff the damage of whips and nerf the damage of minions

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so that summoners are forced to use a summon weapon !!!

white vigil
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Summon weapons deal 1 damage unless hitting a tagged enemy

halcyon seal
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summon weapons deal 1 damage

fathom girder
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Whip subclass would be sick

halcyon seal
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tbh i think what summoner needs is more firecracker-y whips

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or like cool whip

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stuff that isnt just "uhhh idk you do a little more damage and maybe attack faster"

white aurora
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yeah its crazy that vanilla only has like 3 whips that do more than just more damage/crit

hollow harness
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hopefully vanilla adds more of those next update šŸ™

halcyon seal
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theres firecracker, cool whip

fathom girder
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dark harvest

white aurora
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pumpking whip

halcyon seal
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right dark harvest

white aurora
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yeah that one

halcyon seal
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dark harvest is good too

fathom girder
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stardust whip will 100% have an effect

halcyon seal
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i wonder what stardust whip could do

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maybe its like a mini stardust guardian?

white aurora
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or mini stardust cells :3

still bluff
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Creates star dust on minion hits

tropic jolt
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zenith whip

pulsar cobalt
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i mean stardusts whole thing is summoning shit so maybe itll summon shit

white vigil
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Spellsword mage subclass where you deal damage up close to be able to use your entire mana bar to deal massive damage

halcyon seal
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uhhh lemme check what stages of the game (besides post ml) are missing whips rn

vivid hemlock
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the whip update

amber furnace
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can we add

halcyon seal
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we got:

  • post-evil
  • post-mech 1
  • post-mech 2
  • post-cultist
amber furnace
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uh lemme think

halcyon seal
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that should be it for vanilla stuff

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actually theres prob gonna be a bee whip isnt there

white aurora
halcyon seal
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oh right morning star

fringe quiver
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post-gluggus

white aurora
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and where would kaleidoscope be?

halcyon seal
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post-it note

halcyon seal
pulsar cobalt
halcyon seal
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it is?

pulsar cobalt
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yea

amber furnace
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can we add a nunchuks weapon for post moon lord stage
it could be a fun true melee weapon

halcyon seal
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i always think of it as pre boss or post eoc

pulsar cobalt
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smthn smthn jungle, bee and deerclops being the same tier

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vanillas balancing is very weird

still bluff
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Post-Skeletron hellstone

pulsar cobalt
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yea

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me when jungles "final" armour set can be obtained pre boss:

still bluff
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Vanilla especially in prehm puts a ton of weight on how hard something is to get

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Which yea
Results in mage being done preboss

pulsar cobalt
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wats funny is that it means nights edge isnt just the same tier as muramasa

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but also volcano

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and blade of grass is just one tier behind

lavish otter
pulsar cobalt
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wait wat why did i call mage jungle

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lol

lavish otter
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Pshhh

dull heart
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junbgles final weapon, last prims

pulsar cobalt
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yea mages equivalent to molten and necro is fucking

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jungle armour

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which is why its stats are so absurdly high

misty wren
halcyon seal
pulsar cobalt
halcyon seal
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shit man maybe that is junbgles final weapon

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i did kill ml in the junbgle

dull heart
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i had to fight myself to not append uwu to that sentence i'm so cooked

pulsar cobalt
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this image makes me want to implode every time i see it

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lavish otter
misty wren
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but yeah no jungle content is fucked irreparably if they're intended to be qb tier

tropic jolt
pulsar cobalt
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jungle bee dungeon and deers loot being equivalent is

dull heart
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i knew it

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i knew i was on to something

misty wren
pulsar cobalt
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šŸ„¹

dull heart
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when i locked spores post evil 1

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i knew it

tropic jolt
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doze is einstein

dull heart
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it makes sense because like

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purity -> evil -> jungle -> dungeon -> hell

lavish otter
dull heart
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if you have them at the same tier you go to each biome for it's stuff once in order

halcyon seal
tropic jolt
dull heart
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instead of like

purity -> jungle -> evil -> hell -> jungle -> dungeon -> hell

this is what it becomes with post eye jungle gear and post evil hellstone

tropic jolt
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what is this terraria boss doing in the jungle, is blud queen bee?

dull heart
uneven gate
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dungeon loot is like way better in my experience

pulsar cobalt
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i mean u can read the screenshot yourself

uneven gate
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unless queen bee loot is also jungle loot then

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I can see it kinda

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but when I hear jungle i mostly think of jungle shrines and jungle material loot

pulsar cobalt
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leinfors lists them seperately, so he was definitely talking about shrines and jungle mat crafts

vivid hemlock
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the concept of relogic considering jungle as equivalent to dungeon

pulsar cobalt
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its certainly

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a concept

uneven gate
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for me its like, regular underground -> jungle -> Dungeon -> Hell.

But I always skip to Hell and THEN do dungeon

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and I do underground desert and ice when I feel like it

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also shoutout to starfury for being preboss

severe nebula
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shoutout to occult skull crown for being post-boc in gfb

deft lily
hasty hawk
terse dew
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In the jungle.... the mighty jungle....

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merkalto sleeps tonight

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šŸ˜²

pulsar cobalt
hasty hawk
still bluff
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Another nohit role becomes visible

hasty hawk
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at least I'll be happier

still bluff
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A dark day for calamity mod discord

terse dew
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we should make all no hit roles colorless

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šŸ˜Š

pulsar cobalt
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true

terse dew
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that would be #wholesome

hasty hawk
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it would be funny if it was just the icons lmao

terse dew
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True

still bluff
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we should make the dev role colorless

dull heart
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we should make them all the same color as disc bg

still bluff
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if you nohit you don't get your name visible

terse dew
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Punishment for playing the video game

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šŸ˜ˆ

dusk bronze
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down to 46 devs

still bluff
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24 to go

terse dew
dull heart
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Haven't counted for 7 years

amber furnace
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havent counted for 6 years

terse dew
mystic eagle
terse dew
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I don't think that's how that works

dense sundial
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how are the fish mines

lapis oak
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where's the fanta flavour

hasty hawk
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I prefer Lemon Fanta

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too bad only Europe has it :(

dusk bronze
lapis oak
dusk bronze
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they appear to be a shade of green

hasty hawk
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im now Sprite colored

hasty tangle
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sprite is clear though

hasty hawk
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oh right they changed the bottles

hasty tangle
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unless you mean the sprite of defiled rune, which included your shade of green

hasty hawk
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im Mojito color now

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and its one of my favorite cocktails so thats good

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i could go for alcohol in the weekend to feel better

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but got work to do

lapis oak
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no but actually tho u finished?

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Shade dev item won't be real?

hasty hawk
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unfortunately no unless I return to Cal Dev

hasty tangle
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this is your second time resigning from the cal dev team isnt it

hasty hawk
mystic eagle
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Can we add player items to compensate

hasty hawk
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this one was a proper resignation

tropic jolt
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is this THE END of calamity?

hasty hawk
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my resignation has no significant effect for Calamity Development

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at least Ik the other guys will do a decent job

lapis oak
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damn u're an old head already here before the "Thank You" painting was added

hasty hawk
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yep, Feb 2022

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so maybe 2021

lapis oak
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anyways good luck Shade hope things will go well for u in future

#

might see u being orang once again āœŒļø

cobalt wharf
#

youve caught me at a very orange time of my life

still bluff
#

i will never be orange āœŠ

lapis oak
#

ok let's see how you survive tomorrow

deft lily
vivid hemlock
#

kiri you meddle with forces beyond your understanding

lavish otter
#

What in the world earns you defiled soul role?

hasty tangle
#

defiled nohits

lavish otter
#

Huh, I'm guessing that's part of a different mod?

lapis oak
#

young man

hasty tangle
#

it was an old calamity gamemode

#

removed all wing flight (but not rocket boots)

#

or double jumps

lapis oak
#

why haven't we killed these roles

#

mods

#

initiate the purge

hasty tangle
#

im kinda surprised theyve stuck around this long after becoming unobtainable, but im not complaining

still bluff
#

there isn't really a reason to fully remove them
it's a neat legacy thing for people who were around when calmain let people nohit

#

it's not like we're anywhere near role limit

lavish otter
#

I think it's to not strip the rewards from people who did those challenges to begin with, like Stardew Valley and that one achievement

hasty tangle
lavish otter
hasty tangle
#

it was dropped out of nowhere with a 24h notice to get within 5 nohits of being finished with a role or else youd be unable to get the role, even if you finished

lavish otter
#

Ah pbth, that's a bit silly I suppose

hasty tangle
#

it was pretty unfair to a few certain individuals, but its water under the bridge by this point

hasty hawk
#

iirc I could still get Hollow role but fuck that shit

hasty tangle
#

it was so long ago

lavish otter
lapis oak
#

unemployment role

cobalt wharf
#

what was next was fabsol master

lavish otter
#

Oh yeah

lyric trellis
#

Ainā€™t nobody playing it

lavish otter
#

Revengeance, Death, Malice, Defiled, and Fabster

tropic jolt
hasty tangle
#

yeah, it could be stacked with the others

lyric trellis
#

Iron Heart

cobalt wharf
#

a version of fabsol master with every boss changed sounds extremely funny

lyric trellis
#

Nightmare timeline

misty wren
tropic jolt
cobalt wharf
#

its not authentic if not made by him sadly

lavish otter
cobalt wharf
#

like genuinely his mental process is unreadable

lyric trellis
#

Learning coding to make the worst bosses ever ā¤ļø

misty wren
#

i mean

#

have you seen what fluffy did to skeletron once

cobalt wharf
#

probably better than what fabsol did to skeletron

lavish otter
lyric trellis
#

Still wondering how the hell a third exo twin wouldā€™ve worked

still bluff
#

mine was more unplayable

#

it was intentional tho

#

unlike what fabsol made

misty wren
still bluff
#

which

#

yea

lavish otter
#

PSH
I mean to be fair, that's awesome

hasty hawk
#

Imo Hypnos is more playable than mfing Triple Twins or Avalon Skeletron Prime

#

and Hypnos was a fucking shitpost mod

tropic jolt
#

thats because hypnos is the best boss of all time ā¤ļø

still bluff
#

i need to make more better calamity bosses tbh

lavish otter
lyric trellis
#

Fovenator, the horror

hasty hawk
#

i find it funny that it was put inside the game's file early

#

altho I suppose uhf murasama and iirc Noxus are still there for some fucking reason

still bluff
#

noxus can stay

tropic jolt
#

load bearing noxus

hasty hawk
#

yes that old af Noxus thats used on Cal Remix

still bluff
#

he's just chillling

lavish otter
hasty hawk
#

i hope my Murasama still makes it in

hasty hawk
still bluff
#

cal code still has noxus.png

lavish otter
#

huh, that's fun

lapis oak
hasty hawk
#

i suppose thats true

#

but one never knows if they change their mind on ex-dev swords since there's way too many of em

pulsar cobalt
hasty hawk
#

the most recent one that has some contest winners

vivid hemlock
lapis oak
#

there's no gifs that have contest winners

lavish otter
#

(not unless the ex devs specifically ask)

lapis oak
#

WHAT

lapis oak
#

WHEN

#

WHERE

vivid hemlock
lapis oak
#

?????????

#

WHERE IS THIS

vivid hemlock
#

(i stole this from tsuki)

lavish otter
lapis oak
#

@pulsar cobalt WHERE THE FUCK U GET THIS

#

LEAK?

vivid hemlock
#

no its not a leak :/

hasty hawk
# vivid hemlock

I'd add star particles on swing to my sword, maybe a trail but not a dev anymore

lapis oak
#

HOLY GENERATIONAL LEAK

hasty hawk
#

maybe on the public github idk

pulsar cobalt
hasty hawk
pulsar cobalt
#

stopped because i didnt know how to make the names of the skins and creators of the contest winners

lavish otter
tropic jolt
#

time to fix the leak

lapis oak
vivid hemlock
#

"leak" and its things we already know

#

never change kiri never change

pulsar cobalt
lapis oak
#

he was even ready to make one for CD even when CD weren't a dev

pulsar cobalt
#

or at least the ones that had sprites

hasty hawk
pulsar cobalt
#

swashbuckler did not have a sprite and was therefore not included

lapis oak
#

oh ok

hasty hawk
#

but it looks fine so I dont mind

lavish otter
hasty hawk
#

If it had occurred to me at the time I requested the sprite I would have asked for stars like the contest winner in row 2

#

but its too late for that

severe nebula
hasty hawk
#

altho it does look similar to Vortex

fringe quiver
pulsar cobalt
#

nanoblack theme

lapis oak
#

@pulsar cobalt yo inside the Star murasama winner there're black backgrounds

#

is that intentional

vivid hemlock
pulsar cobalt
dusk bronze
lapis oak
#

go fix it the Murasama gif maker

pulsar cobalt
#

fuck you

lapis oak
#

it's your duty now

#

you've chained yourself

pulsar cobalt
#

no

#

ive been free for the past few days

lapis oak
#

time to get your ass up and fix it

tropic jolt
#

sounds like we need 22 more sama variants

pulsar cobalt
#

and even then its not like i wanna spend time making stuff all day,,,

lapis oak
pulsar cobalt
#

aseprite

lapis oak
#

nevermind

#

āœŒļø not my problem

pulsar cobalt
#

just build aseprite

#

tupid

lapis oak
#

yeah how about you build it for me tupid

pulsar cobalt
#

no

vivid hemlock
lapis oak
#

šŸ˜ 

#

kill u

tropic jolt
#

šŸ˜‚

lapis oak
#

@vivid hemlock fix the gif

vivid hemlock
#

not my problem

#

i dont care about the murasama canny

hasty tangle
#

btw are the murasama skins based on the player name or will there be some other way to customize it

hasty hawk
dusk bronze
#

new station iirc

hasty tangle
pulsar cobalt
hasty hawk
#

make sure to pick mine for bonus sinking/white/mental damage* to enemies (sanity mechanics not in game so this does nothing)

fathom girder
#

it actually applies the old death mode stress debuffs

lapis oak
#

tupid

tropic jolt
#

mart

vivid hemlock
#

i dont have the code no

tropic jolt
#

scoog has a murama variant

patent sierra
#

is sso going to fix astrum aureus projectile vomit

tropic jolt
#

I doubt it

hasty hawk
#

devs have the Cnidrion in the room to worry about

tropic jolt
#

šŸ“

severe nebula
misty wren
#

yes but also it wasnt originally his

hasty hawk
#

I suggested Ozzathoth

dusk bronze
#

goat

pulsar cobalt
#

thats because he killed the horse with his bare hands and branded his name upon the trophy

hasty hawk
#

and it was funny cuz it he actually claimed it

misty wren
lapis oak
hasty hawk
#

Ozzathoth resprite to make it black and teal when?

lapis oak
#

the Ozz item is Nanoblack Reaper

severe nebula
#

oh

#

can we make Seared Pan as ozzatron's possession too

vivid hemlock
#

no

hasty hawk
severe nebula
hasty hawk
#

Pan was gonna be replaced by something else but that aint gonna happen anytime soon unless another dev gets a funny rogue weapon idea

#

I had an Utensil Poker upgrade in mind

severe nebula
#

yummy

#

if its a ugoatsel peaker upgrade then totally worth it

hasty hawk
#

Completely opposite function to Seared Pan, making it the ultimate monkeyā€™s paw for anyone spamming ā€œnew auric rogue weapon thats similar to pan whenā€

IMG_3955.jpg
#

Its similar in that its used for cooking

distant raft
#

slick cane upgrade

hasty hawk
#

but not gameplay wise godoftroll

hasty hawk
#

It would be hilarious if an ā€œupgradeā€ was added as an enemy drop but no

main falcon
#

Throwable copper short sword

pulsar cobalt
#

seared pan brought back but its utter dogshit

hasty hawk
#

Altho I am satisfied with how everyone loves Slick Cane as I reworked it

dusk bronze
#

26 second wof

hasty hawk
#

even tho it wasnt nowhere near half the effort as my other weapon reworks

main falcon
#

What did you do to it

#

I'm unaware of it's changes

cunning sequoia
#

i will always remember slick cane as the torture method for testers

hasty hawk
cunning sequoia
#

no matter what you do to it

dusk bronze
pulsar cobalt
hasty hawk
cunning sequoia
#

10 minute brimmy

hasty hawk
#

(im sorry lol)

cunning sequoia
#

ive seen it like a hundred times by now

pulsar cobalt
#

how to fix people hating slick cane? make it absurdly powerful!

distant raft
tropic jolt
hasty hawk
main falcon
#

How strong does it scale

#

Whats the highsest money boost

#

Like 1 plat

hasty hawk
hasty hawk
fathom girder
#

oh

pulsar cobalt
#

(it doesnt use up coins btw)

fathom girder
#

will the cap allow wof to be melted still or nah

hasty hawk
pulsar cobalt
#

the cap currently is 2 plat

hasty hawk
#

just the scaling was funny

main falcon
#

Does it do 1 extra damage per copper coin equivalent?

hasty hawk
#

(not capped in gfb iirc)

pulsar cobalt
#

shades talking about the rework cuz the person doesnt know of it

hasty hawk
hasty hawk
#

Youā€™d oneshot nearly everything with 1 plat lol

main falcon
#

Yeah it would like 2 million at max cap

#

But only 1 hit

distant raft
#

doesnt that ohko everything but scal

hasty hawk
#

Scal is ohkoā€™d too

distant raft
#

oh damn

hasty hawk
#

1M ohkoā€™s every boss iirc

fathom girder
#

rogue would still be too weak

hasty hawk
#

2M for sure does

distant raft
#

scal is 1.84m on exrev so yeah

hasty hawk
#

then add rippers to the mix

#

and stealth formula scaling

pulsar cobalt
#

dont forget stealth

hasty hawk
#

and accessories

main falcon
#

Something less extreme would probably be 1 extra damage per 10 copper coin equivalent

distant raft
#

ares and hunters are both 2.392m so theyd get ohkod by a crit

main falcon
#

That's like 200000 at max

distant raft
#

not sure why thanatos has less health than the other exos though

pulsar cobalt
main falcon
#

If you die using this theorical version of the slick Cane your money disappears no matter what

fathom girder
#

because thanatos is basically immune to damage for most of the fight

pulsar cobalt
#

especially during mayhem where thana attacks once in a lifetime

distant raft
#

like if anything hunters should have less health

hasty hawk
main falcon
distant raft
main falcon
#

I can status him

#

As it deserves

still bluff
#

weapon design post DoG could've been adjusted to not shred worms on over half the weapons

main falcon
#

Sad, I like making worm salad

lyric trellis
#

Post-DoG as a tier šŸ’”

fathom girder
#

better to call it "lasts for two seconds" tier

vivid hemlock
#

5 million post dog weapons

hasty hawk
arctic cliff
dull heart
#

Sticky Cane

versed heart
# vivid hemlock

Personally I love the , , and skins
(Seriously they look good)

lapis oak
#

the , ,

pulsar cobalt
lapis oak
#

Tsuki WHAT is that font

#

šŸ˜­

pulsar cobalt
#

Tobias

tropic jolt
#

tobias

dull heart
#

Tobias

hasty tangle
#

j

summer shore
#

T obias

vivid hemlock
tropic jolt
#

that hog is horrible

sick lotus
#

I don't like tobias

summer shore
#

You could say you're

#

To biased

tropic jolt
#

šŸ˜‚

vivid hemlock
sick lotus
#

Why did he allow himself to be prepared

vivid hemlock
#

thats just one incarnation of the entity

#

another incarnation is a calamity dev spriter

sick lotus
#

But why even allow one incarnation to be prepared?

tropic jolt
#

for the feast

vivid hemlock
#

the ritual,,,

tropic jolt
#

ozzatron.png

sick lotus
#

Was Agnus an incarnation of Tobias or something, otherwise I don't understand why Tobias would sacrifice an incarnation like that.

pulsar cobalt
#

Tobias.

summer shore
#

Tsuki finally contracted melongunitis

pulsar cobalt
#

i will finish the gif one day

summer shore
#

Prolonged exposure to melon gun claimed another soul šŸ’”

pulsar cobalt
#

give me like uhhh 2000 years or watever

pulsar cobalt
#

im not melon gun

summer shore
#

yes you are

#

tsuki melon gun princess

pulsar cobalt
#

no

vivid hemlock
#

tsuki has the spamming an image (melon gun) disease now

pulsar cobalt
#

nop

#

i just find tobias mura funny

hasty hawk
#

its quite tasty but very sweet

#

I got wasted with that once about a month ago

#

Bartender got the order wrong and thought I asked for 2 pints of it

#

even tho I asked for a Midori Illusion

summer shore
#

melon got turned into booze

#

tragic fate

#

Also huh you're not dev anymore

lapis oak
summer shore
#

Salts kiriwhite

slate folio
#

i'm sorry to announce that sunken sea was meant to release tomorrow, but crab bar accidentally tripped and pressed the big red SSO self destruct button, deleting every single file, forcing calamity mod developers to start over. SSO has been delayed to release in 2030.

lapis oak
#

damn do we kill crab bar for this chat

slate folio
#

we blame whoever built the giant red self destruct button in the first place

hardy gulch
#

What is melongunitis

arctic cliff
#

crab bar/the guy who built the giant red SSO self destruct button:

amidas26_THE_BEGINNING_OF_A_NEW_AGE.png
shut ridge
#

Spoilers today

#

trust

olive ravine
dusty tinsel
#

And then it would blame it on you (the process)

bright crane
#

are wulfrum enemies going to get resprited?

misty wren
#

maybe

#

they arent very high on the priority list

bright crane
lavish otter
#

Would there be a reason to? They aren't exceptional designwise, but they don't seem too outdated either

bright crane
fringe quiver
#

They are pretty boring

#

I can speak from experience being a roy developer that you can do muc hcooler things with wulfrum

misty wren
#

idk what fables wulfrum looks like but at the same time they are super early game glorpshit enemies so the designs dont have to be too exceptional

fringe quiver
#

The enemies themselves have frankly very subpar programming and behaviors and the designs are.. really simplistic which you could argue is part of the charm but id argue you can keep them simple while making them have more of a identity

lavish otter
#

That's fair, but I feel like that goes beyond resprite territory

fringe quiver
lavish otter
#

The Fables ones are more interesting because they function in more interesting ways, which lends to more unique designs

fringe quiver
#

The fables one very much still look like weak earlygame goofy enemies but they're just liek

#

Objectively better i think šŸ˜­

#

They have way more personality and identity

#

Half of the time i forget which one is drone and which one is hovercraft in basecal because they do basically the same thing and are both flying wulfrums with very similar designs

lavish otter
dusty tinsel
#

I remember when their AI was weird and they would fly into the ground and just sit there

fringe quiver
#

I think they still do that

#

Atleast they did last time i played

lavish otter
#

Same

dusty tinsel
#

Yah they do, but not nearly as much I think

misty wren
#

could they be better? yeah
are there other things that need that more? also yeah
they're acceptable as is there are other things i feel that need attention more than they do

fringe quiver
#

i mean duh

#

I don't think anyone is clammering for redesigns of the earlygame enemies that have barely any attached content

dusty tinsel
#

What's annoying is when they fly into the ground and you try and chase them and they just run away

misty wren
#

something something werewulfrum

#

i cant find the fucking image for it but i remember werewulfrum suggestion

fringe quiver
#

I could probably jujst post jello's wulfrums here givne hes like

#

already posted them on cal reddit anyways

#

free roy advertisting no way

#

its relevnat to the convo at hand guys its ok

bright crane
#

however yes, they arent something that is required to be changed

lavish otter
fringe quiver
lavish otter
#

Oh wait, I did see that

#

Sick as hell though!

fringe quiver
#

i love jello's wulfrum designs they're so good

bright crane
fringe quiver
#

THey take the simplistic charm of wulfrums except give them way more identity and each wulfrum design he made is actually incredibly distinct from eachother

lavish otter
fringe quiver
#

The design got some changes ever since that design but its still basically the same

#

Just some minor tweaks

misty wren
#

its just

#

earlygame material

fringe quiver
#

Yeah i dunno how you'd give wulfrum more longevity

lavish otter
#

Especially considering that they were like...an insignificant but simultaneously relevant threat against the Yharmy while the crusade was going on, it's just weird that they're always around but are barely really there

fringe quiver
#

The entire point is that they're kind of pathethic

misty wren
#

very shitty earlygame material and that much is made evident in gameplay by how much shit breaks there

fringe quiver
#

And mechanicaly they just serve as a earlygame resource that grants you mostly utility

#

And easy access to some class weapons for the earlygame that while not super strong, are reliable and accessible

lavish otter
fringe quiver
#

I think it's more so that they're annoying distractions than any significant threat

#

Like i dont think wulfrums would take down a single mildly competent yharmy soldier with like mildly good armor

misty wren
fringe quiver
#

They're not an actual military force

#

They're a tool of rebellion

misty wren
#

its like if i taped a bunch of knives to a roomba and sent it into an active warzone

fringe quiver
#

they're not there to defeat the yharmy or to cull their numbers, they're there to send a message

lavish otter
#

Ehhh, I suppose that makes sense

arctic cliff
#

people want more wulfrum content because wulfrum items are on average more interesting than other pre-boss item

fathom girder
#

wulfrum has potential and yet is relegated to pre boss

#

cheap plastics are used for a wide variety of things irl after all, not just kid's toys

vestal osprey
#

Wulfrum, its there... its fine

fathom girder
#

I mean yeah, it's fine

arctic cliff
#

yknow what

terse dew
#

Wulfurm boss is some Xbox 720 shit

arctic cliff
#

wulfrum technology in the way it is used rn looks to have serious potential

#

Shields? Electricity?

fathom girder
#

Wulfrum is clearly upgradable to some degree, given the shield generator can be turned into two way stronger variants

arctic cliff
#

I could easily see Wulfrum being used for not necessarily combat-related, but also side content like what it current is used for

fathom girder
#

now that's probably done by stripping the shitty plastic and using the tech inside with higher grade materials

arctic cliff
#

like, much better version of the diggers and treasure sensor things

fathom girder
#

yeahhh an upgrade to the techy wulfrum stuff could totally be a thing

rancid pagoda
#

the treasure pinger is honestly really nice

lyric trellis
rancid pagoda
#

it points out stuff better than just spelunker

fathom girder
#

now imagine upgrades to that kinda stuff

#

stardew valley style

#

instead of a wulfrum mining turtle

#

get like 10 cobalt ingots and 50 turtles

#

and turn em into cobalt mining turtles that follow the cursor and last longer

#

or put luminite in them and get an infinite use version post ml

dull heart
#

Screwdriver provides a strong ranged option after hitting true melee because melee struggles with good ranged options early on

Blunderbuss provides dirt cheap ammo via coins because ammo can be hard early on before NPCs move in

Prosthesis provides Mana regen because Mana management can be hard before having potions

Drone provides shield because it can ig? it also is just pretty consistent which most early summons aren't

Wulfrum Knife provides retrieval of consumables, easing the cost of making more knives

#

wulfrum knife, now that it's not consumable in 2.1, is instead reworked to allow easier stealth usage (and even be able to use stealth without armor)

fathom girder
#

snazzy

dull heart
#

They're all meant to be weaker items that cover a class's early weakness

#

drone also provides defense which summoner is notorious for not having as much of as other classes

fathom girder
#

question

fathom girder
#

like, is it a reasonable thing to assume the other techy stuff could see similar upgrades

dull heart
#

wulfrum acro pack serves to make early game navigation easier too ofc

#

Wulfrum Knife already has an upgrade

#

And I don't think any other wulfrum weapon will get one

#

if anything did it would probably be prosthesis or drone

dull heart
fathom girder
#

I wouldn't expect the screwdriver or anything to get an upgrade, yeah lul
I was mostly thinkin' about the extra wulfrum tools that break if you sneeze too hard with them

#

like you could totally go stardew with those I feel

dull heart
#

mining turtle upgrade is effectively Scarab Bombs

#

like they do the same thing

#

treasure pinger needs no upgrade because spelunker potion

rancid pagoda
#

prosthesis as an accessory, combine with mana regen band?

dull heart
#

I don't think so

#

prosthesis probably would not get a direct upgrade but I'm sure other Mana drain weapons will exist

rancid pagoda
#

but in seriousness, why is mana regen band the only actual mana regen accessory

dull heart
#

anything that increases max mana is a Mana Regen accesory

#

since mana regen speed is based on max mana

rancid pagoda
#

yes, but still

fathom girder
#

...

rancid pagoda
#

that combines with the max mana

fathom girder
#

I think it gets high enough with mana regen potions and whatnot, doesn't it

dull heart
#

I hate mana regen potion and mana potions so much

#

dumb items

fathom girder
#

I love supplementing my mana with drugs

tropic jolt
#

addiction is bad

#

mage is problematic media

fathom girder
#

not enough brainpower to cast that spell you wanted to cast? drink some blue

rancid pagoda
#

I think it would make for more interesting build variety if you had just mana regen instead of massive max mana

fathom girder
#

when one equals the other, does it really matter

#

low mana isn't exactly a thing you want in any build

dull heart
#

Star beam rye will mess with Mana Regeneration

dull heart
fathom girder
tropic jolt
#

how do you fix mage without making it stealth rogue 2

fathom girder
#

I mean chaos stone's gonna be funny

misty wren
dull heart
fathom girder
#

I'll go full regen build and ignore the fact that my mana is full red

#

oooooh that's cool

dull heart
#

that's the issue with mana regen potion

misty wren
#

i am aware

dull heart
#

like the idea is fine it's just way, way too needed

#

hence why I'm making star in a bottle do the same effect next patch

misty wren
#

i know its an issue but at the same time its also not poorly designed on the potions part or skipping out on the class mechanic like mana potions and mana flower do

fathom girder
#

are you still side developing that classless mod, doze

dull heart
#

flower is actually a good idea it's just a bad implementation

fathom girder
#

or was that just a theoretical thing

dull heart
fathom girder
#

oh sick

dull heart
#

it needs people to balance test it

fathom girder
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this discussion has kinda got me to realize the genius behind it

dull heart
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I haven't gotten around to it

fathom girder
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lul

dull heart
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if you wanna play it there's a build on its GitHub

fathom girder
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I'll check it out tomorrow maybe

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what's the name of it

dull heart
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roots

fathom girder
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found it, thanks

dull heart
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I need to get around to doing some real testing on roots

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I suspect that melee and mage are way too weak compared to ranger right now

fathom girder
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...I assume it's in beta as a standalone mod only right

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so no other mods

dull heart
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it should not crash with other mods but it probably won't work well with them either

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considering it completely reworks the entire class system

fathom girder
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mk

dull heart
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I also think I left my WoF camera code in there

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so WoF might be a funny surprise

fathom girder
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sorry the what

junior light
twin bloom
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10 billion ore swords

desert garnet
junior light
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šŸ˜”

terse dew
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Tin Longsword is peak though

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so you can't complain

proud plover
# vivid hemlock

I donā€™t know if itā€™s possible but I hope these styles will be obtainable in more ways than player name. So you could actually look at them all in game without having to create a new character for every style.
Maybe in the configuration menu ?

desert garnet
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or config menu

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cuz shimmering it would be pain in the ass

azure oak
proud plover
tribal isle
proud plover
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Apotofkoolaid

lapis oak
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There'll be a special station for Murasama

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That will also be used for when it gets the rework

cobalt wharf
fast vessel
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Is it true that charging arsenal weapons is being removed in the sso?

lapis oak
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for the reworked ones yes

inland mesa
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So wait a sec lemme get this straight

fast vessel
# lapis oak for the reworked ones yes

How many arsenal weapons arenā€™t being reworked? Wouldnā€™t it be easy to just remove the change feature from them, cut charge stations and power cells all together, and call it a day?

inland mesa
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So we get an auric soul, the power to make us Xeroc-level gods, and we donā€™t use it?

azure oak
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we don't get an auric soul

fast vessel
azure oak
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yharon's soul goes back to the aerie after he's killed

inland mesa
raw falcon
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is the slime god progression change still an idea thats being considered btw?

dusk bronze
stable dove
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what's the change?

shut ridge
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unfortunately??

lapis oak
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unfortunately is insane šŸ˜­

dusk bronze
stable dove
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ahh

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sounds good to mep

tribal isle
silk terrace
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Hola