calamity-update-talk

[rich ginkgo]

this did not overhaul anything

it only added some more content

[versed heart]

I'd consider it expanding upon the class when it comes to its mechanics and the way it functions, but yeah

[stuck kite]

actually these straight up got worse because there's more fluff to the equation

[rich ginkgo]

it's adding mechanics but not expanding upon the already existing ones, which is what i meant

[versed heart]

Thanks for the clarification

[rich ginkgo]

yeah no problem

[rich ginkgo]

is it possible for cal to rewrite them?

[stuck kite]

yes but it's

A. insanely cascading for crossmodding
B. impossible to communicate these changes to the player
C. a ton of effort required

[rich ginkgo]

i feel like at that point it'd be more preferable if a change like this came along in an entirely separate mod dedicated to overhauling mage

i dont think anybody genuinely believes summoner is balanced

[versed heart]

I'm not sure I've ever seen someone argue summoner's balanced in Calamity mod either

I've obviously seen people argue about whether it's good or not though

[stone zephyr]

love when i see people say rogue class is the worst

[rich ginkgo]

rogue hate is the most forced thing to exist

[stone zephyr]

everyone saying rogue is the worst is stuck in the past

[rich ginkgo]

rogue is like, one of if not the best endgame class

[stone zephyr]

it is on consistently on par if not better than summoner for most of the game pretty sure

for first place in boss killtimes

[dense sundial]

rogue at its peak often takes decent effort to use and an obnoxious amount of effort to build

[stone zephyr]

i get it im just saying its funny to see lel

[dense sundial]

summoner takes no effort at all

[stone zephyr]

this is true

[zinc jasper]

whip stacking is super hard dude

[stone zephyr]

its why i argue summoner is probably easiest

[half vine]

i like to use magic sto

[dense sundial]

summoner occasionally loses to rogue but who cares when you don't even need to turn your brain on

[stone zephyr]

for real

summoner gets boring to me though

rogue is more interesting and fun imo

[dense sundial]

i sure didn't say it wasn't!

[stone zephyr]

:D

[half vine]

the boss's 10% drops are way more rare than i thought

i killed king slime like 20 times now and he has yet to drop that

[stone zephyr]

soooo excited for rogue and mage new content next update

[rich ginkgo]

i think the concept of summoner can be really fun and interesting, just definitely not in its current state where all you have to do is dodge

[dense sundial]

reasonably tuned summoner
like where i have to think about what minion combo to use when, when to go in for a whip, and how to manage sentries
could be really fun

sentries is one of my two favorite playstyles next to true melee, for similar reasons

[stone zephyr]

love that it barely exists

[dense sundial]

maybe if vanilla actually gave sentries substantial attention they would balance sentry slots

[stone zephyr]

would be cool for 1.4.5

theres a fair chance i think

would be something

[wide wadi]

1.4.5 comes out at the end of the year so calamity would need to rush

They shouldn’t rush they should release Sso in march next year

[dull heart]

this is why 1.0.5 was the best

there was no regen formula

[stone zephyr]

i love mana regen

[rich ginkgo]

no they dont

they're not going to rush just because 1.4.5 releases

[wide wadi]

That’s why I said they shouldn’t rush

[rich ginkgo]

they have to wait for the tmodloader port in the first place anyways which took like half a year for 1.4.4 tmodloader port

[rich ginkgo]

you said they would need to, they dont, and they wont

[wide wadi]

Port will be fast this time I heard from inside sources

[rich ginkgo]

wow im kind of surprised at how wrong i was

it actually took 10-11 months to port tmodloader over to 1.4.4

[wide wadi]

_€

See my sources are right

It will be quicker this time

[stuck kite]

summoner is the only class where you have to deal with a resource that goes from 1 to 2 (+100%) and its crazy

and they do that twice

[wide wadi]

New dev

[stuck kite]

erm

Clueless

[ashen pagoda]

Actually 1.4.5 pre-SSO would solve my problem

[fathom girder]

omg hello new dev!

[fathom girder]

never before seen, so glad to see new devs showing up after fabsol got shot ❤️

[dull heart]

actually arguably it could be 1 to 3 for both minions and sentries

ooa gives accessory + war table

pre boss has flinx coat and summon pot

[fathom girder]

summoner is kinda weird though

[wide wadi]

New dev let’s go work hard one day you will be great

[fathom girder]

cuz like, it's somewhat weak with only one summon

[wide wadi]

[fathom girder]

but then whips exist

but also the other classes also get some semi large buffs earlygame

for example, mage gets mana flower

ranger gets

..um

new ammo types that add a lot of extra damage

ig

[rare tinsel]

party boolet

[hoary edge]

mana sickness is bootycheeks. mana burn is based af

[stuck kite]

in a game where your power level increases over the progression of the game

minions, minion slots, sentries, sentry slots, whips, minion damage

[fathom girder]

Summoner buffs are rather frontloaded compared to the other classes, yeah

[zinc jasper]

real ones use mana burn

[stuck kite]

this is like 3x as many power levelling factors as any other class

weapon ammo damage crit aint got nothing

[wide wadi]

Summoners the most unique class in terraira Beuh

You have whips now

And when that new update hits there are new reforges

[fathom girder]

bleh

[wide wadi]

I’m just saying summoner goes hard

[ashen pagoda]

^

[wide wadi]

Melee summoner then magic

Range in last place

If I was ranking

[next bolt]

i found myself clueless on how to grow my build during a master ranger playthrough

i always felt like i was doing no damage compared to my melee and summoner friends

only weapon during equal progression where i felt matched up with was onyx blaster 💔

[late eagle]

Hmm adamantine accelerator and titanium railgun are great weapons

If u aren't there yet maybe try nitro express rifle, it shreds aquatic scourge

[rare tinsel]

That's okay! The best way to do it is to experiment with different options. Get many of them and see what you like

[buoyant pulsar]

chaos stone is cool and all but like

i think its the first step

a great first step

but i dunno

maybe there could be a whole genre of mage accessories throughout the game that wildly modify the way mana operates in fundamentally different ways

[rich ginkgo]

yeah that'd be really nice

it'd be even nicer if they werent just craftable upgrades to the chaos stone

[rich ginkgo]

also, is chaos stone being moved at all? or is it gonna stay as a purchasable accessory from permafrost

[dull heart]

it... isn't from permafrost

it's a clone drop and has been for a very long time

[rich ginkgo]

what

wait

why am i thinking about permafrosts concoction 💀

whoops

[buoyant pulsar]

isnt bow in too?

also i honestly wish they'd just rework all the shortswords into rapiers and turn starlight into a new subclass

[somber smelt]

Man I just need to complain about how much I hate master death Skeletron Prime

This guy has no reason to spawn the other two bosses

[rich ginkgo]

that'd be cool

more weapons deserve parries, maybe some rapiers could have a parry

[buoyant pulsar]

fuck master death skeletron prime

reasonable crashout

[buoyant pulsar]

hell yeah

[somber smelt]

Im a different person than I was 90 attempts ago, and I'm genuinely out of options

[dull heart]

too bad

shortswords are slowly going the way of the starlight

[rich ginkgo]

what does that mean

[dull heart]

Unlike starlight I made sure Galileo Gladius scales with melee size 😇

[buoyant pulsar]

why are they removing the broken biome blade jungle attunement

is it because its melee whip

[somber smelt]

What is a mage supposed to do for this fight? I'm mainly using brimrose staff because it has the most consistent damage, and SHPC to get rid of the probes from the destroyer, but it still feels like theres too much projectiles on my screen to dodge anything

[lyric trellis]

Because there were too many enchantments on BBB

[dull heart]

and bc the jungle one was just bad

[dull heart]

Crystal Vile Shard is quite strong iirc

might be a good choice

SHPC is not great

[buoyant pulsar]

different channel

[dull heart]

Other then that... welcome to master and also use #calamity-mod-talk

[somber smelt]

oh mb. thanks anyways yall

[buoyant pulsar]

change the name of the channel already

[dull heart]

Ikr

[buoyant pulsar]

so whats the deal with gravistar sabaton

is that gonna be a line that branches off from angel threads

treads

whatever it is lol

[lusty stirrup]

how do so many people not know what channels to ask stuff in….

[buoyant pulsar]

because they think that calamity spoilers is spoilers for the game and not future updates

tbh i would love an endgame boots that just gives you a shitload of ground/horizontal mobility

like hexed branch style

[buoyant pulsar]

but something else i guess

i dunno

amazing

byeah maybe if they gave you a big jump or something while touching terrain idk

maybe thats an astrum deus hide thing

[dull heart]

When the deus hide... who seek??

[atomic bay]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Planetary_Annihilation no

[buoyant pulsar]

its hide, not seek

thats it... feed him to the hide god

[brave star]

More like un-seraphs ur tracers

[stuck kite]

un-tracers your seraph*

[atomic bay]

fables your calamity

[brave star]

Un-calamity’s ur terraria

[frail tapir]

Amazing

[frail tapir]

Un-terraria ur calamity's

[frail tapir]

It still had the projectile right?

[dull heart]

it's entirely reworked

[frail tapir]

So now you just throw it? I guess it's the right click, left click was the other ya show

That reminds me of scorpion from mortal combat like "GET OVER HERE" style

[brave star]

Now the weapon MUST have that line when the hook hits an enemy

It’s so good for an idea

[frail tapir]

Confusing enough for me

[frail tapir]

It's kinda confusing for my stupid brain

[brave star]

Ok

[fringe quiver]

re

[frail tapir]

Le

[thorny glacier]

a

[frail tapir]

p

Releap

[misty wren]

relea channel

[thorny glacier]

✅ (though i was expecting someone say channel instead)

[stone fiber]

It's not a flamethrower but yeah probably

[frail tapir]

Lmao

[thorny glacier]

oh look someone already did

[frail tapir]

no comment on that draedon

[stone fiber]

Oh so that's where this concept comes from
Thanks for mentioning it

[thorny glacier]

it was meant to be official at some point in time but ultimately scrapped due to 22 incident

[stone fiber]

Oh okay I see
That's cool

[thorny glacier]

now it belongs in fables

[modern grove]

I believe iban will make changes to p2 dog

I think he won't wear armor anymore?

[thorny glacier]

probably armor itself will be tweaked

cant confirm

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow and sso november-december

[jagged copper]

something something "GET OVER HERE" something

oh someone already mentioned it?

man

[lean relic]

[thorny glacier]

[desert garnet]

[fringe quiver]

i pray to our lord divine swine that the amidias painting becomes real

it'd be so fucking funny

my legacy

the original dumbass image that i made that then got turned into actual art by orios

[wicked temple]

u made this?

[fringe quiver]

yes

i know

you can divorce me i'll understand

[wicked temple]

im disappointed in u

[fringe quiver]

like entirely correct i think

[wicked temple]

i dont think i can forgive u tbh

[fringe quiver]

this is my legacy

when i die

[wicked temple]

ill never think of u the same way again

[fringe quiver]

i'll be known as the amidias september october girl

[wicked temple]

u’ll have to live with the fact that our relationship is permanently altered

[thorny glacier]

this is so cursed wtf 😭 💔

even more cursed than one with please text

[still bluff]

the amidias image is genuinely the best thing this channel will ever accomplish

[dusk bronze]

true

[kind tinsel]

this is like ilmeran blackface

[quaint kite]

This is the original? 💔

Either way, yes, it'd be cool to have as a painting

The amidas image is the calamity we made along the Aerie

[torn kite]

Leaked sprites of the new trio of bosses fought in the acid sea in pre hm

[high scaffold]

Aquatic scourge clone

[quaint kite]

Aquatic triples

[hard copper]

Sulphuric guardians

[torn cairn]

the scourges of the aquatic

[dusk bronze]

aquatic parasites

[bright crane]

is polterghast going to be reworked somewhere far in the future? if so, are there any concept arts available? because i rlly like this boss but she looks kinda outdated and is like a plantera clone so a rework and resprite wouldve been amazing to see

[vivid hemlock]

yeah heres the concept art we know of

[bright crane]

OH thats pretty interesting ngl even in early stages

[vivid hemlock]

hold on there are some sprites let me get them

[bright crane]

alr

[bright crane]

🔥

[glad ferry]

For poltergeist?

[late eagle]

Yeah

[vivid hemlock]

👍

[quaint kite]

The new poltergeist looks like it'd drop 250 nightmare fuel

And we ALL like it

❤️

[lusty stirrup]

goated?

[frail tapir]

Before poltergeist was a spirit of planters but now....
thats kinda scary ;-;

[valid crypt]

I dont remember polter being plantera soul

[late eagle]

It's not

[modern grove]

I'm going to consult with my nipple faces hold on

[vivid hemlock]

[frail tapir]

Well I just made shit up but it looks like plantera
For now atleast

[lean relic]

Slime god is king slime
Polter is plantera
DoG is Destroyer
Old duke is duke fishron
Yharon is duke fishron

what world was the old calamity

[stark pond]

i think aureus was indirectly king slime too

[hard copper]

Provi is ice queen

[dense sundial]

Aureus is actually Mourning Wood!

Crabulon is Mourning Wood and Aureus rather distinctly moves just like it

Pretty sure the jumps are Golem too

[hushed hazel]

slime god is two biome mimics + whatever the hell the core is

[dense sundial]

SG core is Flocko

[hushed hazel]

right

signus (and i think anahita as well to an extent) is one of those solar pillar fuckers i can't remember the name of

corite or whatever

guardians too now that i think about it

[dense sundial]

I don’t know what Signus in general is but its dive is Corite

Brim shares Signus’s chasing and hovering movement, whatever those are

[dense sundial]

Current Guards’ Corite dash actually has one difference from the original, that being it can start and move in any direction, but the vestige is obviously still there

[stuck kite]

aureus had the shell of astrageldon which never walked

added walk movement most definitely recycled from crabulon though

a little unholy

[stuck kite]

and if we count inheritence then likely the genesis of all things that walk is fighter AI

and all things that jump is slime AI

[mystic eagle]

The one thing that holds Guards back from being the 2nd fully unique AI boss

[dull heart]

who's the first

[mystic eagle]

CV

[dull heart]

true

CV used to be BoC ai

But with 400 HP and 99.99% Dr and 4 creeper phases

[mystic eagle]

I never got to experience that luckily

[dull heart]

sadly

it was peak

[stuck kite]

i think i used p90 the first time i beat cv which was funny

you would never try that these days

[dull heart]

y'know

Despite the fact storm weaver reuses projectiles from like 3-4 different bosses

It's actually one of the most unique AI fights in cal

unless it's movement is copied from aquatic scourge or something I could see that actually

[agile latch]

Isnt old duke and exos

Also very unique

[lapis oak]

what about Scal

[mystic eagle]

Exos are in the same boat as guardians: 1 Edited piece of vanilla AI

[wide wadi]

_> dude just said old duke was unique

[late eagle]

Where's that UNIQUE AI meme

Perfect

[stuck kite]

gluing to the screen isnt really vanilla ai i think its just no attempt in movement at all

[rose radish]

Okay so what's funny is that it was good

I played calamity for the first time during that time and CV was one of my favorites

[mystic eagle]

EoL:

Pretty sure the code for Ares' and Hunters' screen glue is taken from EoL but editted to be almost completely still

[stuck kite]

it uses a piece of utils so it isn't owned to any one particular AI

eol is just a tripover effect of association

like aureus and golem

[stuck kite]

in particular it's literally

for every frame increment velocity by a constant value n in both directions until it reaches its destination

that's just

It Moves

point a to point b

[wide wadi]

Oh I see you know some physics

Do you know how to find the velocity of a vector at 40 degrees

At launch

[dull heart]

there's not enough information to answer that

[fathom girder]

um

there's a bird 13 meters away

[wide wadi]

Let me give you x = 2m

Alright good luck

[dull heart]

thank you for the gift

I will put it in my box of other random gifts I forget about

[stone fiber]

Since when was Polterghast a she?

[azure oak]

polterghast is an amalgamation of many, i'm sure there's a woman in there somewhere

[fathom girder]

nah yharim only imprisoned men

[earnest jewel]

You're forgetting that it also has some guards in there, and we know Yharim hired women.

[torn cairn]

if there's woman then there's probably men too

it would be both at once

[azure oak]

polter ghast is clearly a they/them

[kind tinsel]

the multitude

[earnest jewel]

Not because they're non-binary but because it's a horrific amalgamation of zealous souls.

[kind tinsel]

theres more than two people in there

[torn cairn]

yeah

so it's like

[kind tinsel]

FUCK I COULDN'T MAKE THE JOKE IN TIME

[south sail]

I asked polterghast and they said they’re fine with any/all

[torn cairn]

she/her and he/him and whatever else is in there multiple time

[torn cairn]

fair enough

[frail owl]

conglomeration of anguished and emaciated souls

[dull heart]

Polter/ghast

[lapis oak]

fat ghost

[torn cairn]

wait but in phase 2 polterghast gets split into 2

so it's like Polterghast/Polterghast

[earnest jewel]

Whatever happened to Necroghast?

[stone fiber]

Hey that's mean

[earnest jewel]

(Statement is rhetorical.)

[stone fiber]

Hey guys I have a question

Are the reworked rods coming in SSO, and is so how many

[torn cairn]

wdym the reworked rods

[stone fiber]

The fishing ones

[torn cairn]

ohh

well i don't see why they would need a rework but i'm no dev so all i can say is ask a dev or just check the changelogs

but there's a dev in the addon talk rn you can ask him quickly

[dull heart]

1. yes

2. idr but a handful

More than half the calamity rods

[dull heart]

This is the type of rework we're talking

I'm controlling the bobbers in the video

[torn cairn]

oh

never knew i needed that rework

but thank you doze

[white aurora]

you found polterghast while they were on break noway

[stone fiber]

Hey, I've just noticed, why is one of the reels a different color?

[dull heart]

That's how it works rn

line color is random

[wide wadi]

Omg the 1.4.5 update will add fish so you kinda coded this just for it to get crushed

[dull heart]

I think the fish are visual

[versed heart]

EoL moves kinda like Lunatic Cultist, smh vanilla uses unique ai

[torn cairn]

are mounts gonna get buffed in sso?

always wanted them to have cool effects just like the dragonfolly one

[native thistle]

did someone say fish

[lyric trellis]

Yes

Some are anyway that’s been confirmed

[torn cairn]

yaay

do you know which one?

[dull heart]

we might be nerfing some too

namely slimes

But that hasn't been decided

[lyric trellis]

Just realized it was originally posted here so it’s gone full circle

[torn cairn]

hmmm i really really wonder which one you're gonna nerf

random guess

[dull heart]

pogo isn't on this list but it also got buffed

[torn cairn]

exo gaming chair?

or whatever its name is

[dull heart]

Pogo fall speed 2x -> 1.5x BUT horizontal speed cap increased tremendously

[torn cairn]

i mean that is pretty cool sure
but i would've prefered some getting the bumbledoge treatment and getting some sort of attack

[torn cairn]

what about the astrum aureus mount

the pyukumuku one

[lyric trellis]

Well that’s more difficult cause most of those aren’t really that kinda mount, but if more mounts are added later it’s a possibility

[torn cairn]

well the exo tank is being added and i assume it got attacks and stuff

since it's a tank

and not like a car or smthin

[silk terrace]

exo tank's whole thing is that it does a fuckton of damage

[torn cairn]

that's very cool

[lyric trellis]

Oh right that tank is coming

Funny

[torn cairn]

won't it be kinda slow though like how will it work

[silk terrace]

fast on the ground, not good air movement, kills everything

[azure oak]

seems fun to just ride around in, destroying everything

[torn cairn]

by fast you mean hexxed branch fast or golf cart fast?

[lyric trellis]

Boss rush meta cause nobody is using it on scal

[dull heart]

what if it was burden breaker fast

[silk terrace]

so true

[dull heart]

Proof?

wait shoot I need to make sure I didn't make exo tank broken for scal by accident

[torn cairn]

i believe in exo tank vs scal

hear me out

bundle of balloons

• exo tank

i mean moab

[silk terrace]

did you increase the air mobility?

[dull heart]

no

[silk terrace]

then i really don't care how much damage it does lol

[dull heart]

I need to mess around with it, it's very possible that some other changes I made accidentally buffed it significantly

we'll see

[lyric trellis]

Excited for it to ride up walls vertically

[dull heart]

Exo wulf spider

[lapis oak]

very excited for the tank

[craggy axle]

when is the next calamity update coming out

[azure oak]

noone knows

there's no deadline

[craggy axle]

find out and let me know

[azure oak]

not even the devs know

[craggy axle]

is the next update the one with the bigger dog

[azure oak]

no

[craggy axle]

alright hurry it up im tryna play a new update

[hasty tangle]

what 0 patience does to a mf

[azure oak]

imagine being impatient

[valid path]

Big Dad Entitlement at work

[craggy axle]

yall quit messaging in here and instead go donate to the devs so I can play the update quicker'

[azure oak]

donations won't speed up dev time

it's still a nice thing to do tho

[craggy axle]

hire new dev = increased dev time speed

[hasty tangle]

devs arent hired

they volunteer

the money is for bounties to impliment things

[craggy axle]

ok go volunteer and make the dog update come quicker

[azure oak]

go do it yourself if you want it that bad

[hasty tangle]

yeah

be the change you want to see

[valid path]

absolutely

learn C# and then help out

[craggy axle]

i know c++ is that good enough

[distant raft]

distortion update is gonna be in like bare fucking minimum 2 years

[valid path]

2 years would be miraculous cuz afaik brimstone crags overhaul comes before that

[azure oak]

all of the smaller updates inbetween

and sso part 2

[hasty tangle]

dog is getting a rework in sso, at least

[valid path]

true

[hasty tangle]

so thats something

to at least make him not an embarrassment to the mod

[craggy axle]

what is sso'

[distant raft]

true 2.1 dog actually does look quite fun

[dull heart]

now he'll be one of the best bosses in the mod

[distant raft]

sunken sea overhaul

the next update

[dull heart]

although low-key he might not be my favorite in 2.1

but that might be bc I have fought him in a while

[distant raft]

i forget when was dog's last ai change

[stark pond]

also i think adding more devs to a complex project aint gonna increase work speed

[dull heart]

This isn't entirely true

[craggy axle]

alright ive had enough of this waiting how do I join the dev team

[dull heart]

money does serve as a motivating factor that encourages prioritizing doing cal/2.1 related things instead of whatever else the dev might have to do

[distant raft]

i dont think theyre accepting applicants

[dull heart]

Unfortunately I don't think this would be much help actually

[craggy axle]

what if Im about to get my degree in computer science do I get a preferred application

[dull heart]

right now we're in a pretty good spot for programmers

[hasty tangle]

make good pull requests ig

a lot of them

[dull heart]

that's probably the best way to do it yeah, but still no guarantees

[hasty tangle]

isnt that how you got in doze?

[dull heart]

I became a dev due to my work on the chalice HP indicator among other things

but chalice HP Indicator what at minimum what catalyzed the actual entrance

[frail owl]

real

[dull heart]

although

years ago I did get mistaken for a rogue dev leaking calamity stuff

That was funny

[frail owl]

who?

[dull heart]

All I know is this

[frail owl]

[fathom girder]

tbf

doze does leak things now so

maybe he really is a rogue dev now

[dull heart]

This video is what got reported
https://youtu.be/mkLSMyu8jYY

[frail owl]

i was literally gleaning into the scant informations regarding this peculiar rogue dev

[stark pond]

hoax of calamity

[frail owl]

and then john stomp decided to peek their head in

[fathom girder]

funny, how this ended up happening

at least, the first two did

[dull heart]

It's not a leak when I'm allowed to show it and show it on purpose

[dull heart]

what

The first two were the existing items

[fathom girder]

oh

wwwwwwwell

[dull heart]

the rest of the line was based on those and the old Catastrophe Claymore sprite

[stark pond]

make a mod and then the video showcasing with the word "rework idea" on title
show it
calamity players can't read
being called "rogue dev"
become dev
profit

[frail owl]

imogen's qol mod

[dull heart]

This was before it was even called that

[frail owl]

welp i'm not entirety exasperated by what transpired this year regarding imogen

[brave star]

Me when no game allows anyone to read

[dull heart]

I considered leaking something cool yesterday

Well

Spoiling

I didn't do it though

[frail owl]

literacy rate in america is pretty abysmal nowadays so i expected this to happen

[dull heart]

The fact that literacy is so bad while everyone texts all the time is so baffling to me

[frail marten]

likely they do not use proper grammar

[frail owl]

aside from me because i swayed myself from using brainrot words even once

[stark pond]

literacy is not strictly about can you read is it

[frail owl]

and even if i did, i'd accompany it with a self loathing tone to really hammer in my grudge against it

[azure oak]

doze you should make me a calamity dev

[frail owl]

it's also how you perceive and interpret a sentence

[stark pond]

they measure in give then a huge ass text and ask them what can they percieve from this

which in big 25 people will just @grok is this true

[torn cairn]

i actually wanna help out too

how hard is C#

[frail owl]

if you can't glean into the substance of a paragraph then i deem you illiterate

[stark pond]

you don't need to strictly do the coding

[dull heart]

no

[stark pond]

to be a dev

[torn cairn]

wdym

[dull heart]

JavaScript is pretty different

[frail owl]

...if you can't ascertain an archaic fucking poem though then i can sympathize with your struggles

because i can't

on a consistent basis that is

[stark pond]

you can do the ost (like CDMusic) or make some sick ass sprites

[azure oak]

best i can do is non-pixel art sorry 😔

[dull heart]

L

[stark pond]

unless your shits are really phenomenal i don't think they will take you sadly

just like the coding

all 3 are hard as fuck

[azure oak]

wasn't being serious anyways

[frail owl]

eh i draw muscular bodies at a monotonous rate and i've yet burnt out from the banality of such a routine

[dull heart]

coding free ngll

[frail owl]

please emancipate me from this torment

[torn cairn]

i know that i need to begin whatever i'm adding with public class in coding

okay can i be a dev now

[frail owl]

no

unless you can program a boss

[dull heart]

no

[frail owl]

wires in my calamity mod

[stark pond]

[torn cairn]

well i managed to add an item that increase the damage you deal when on a mount

but that's it

i'm a big sucker for mounts in cal so i wanted to make them good

[dull heart]

my first mod I think was a coin gun class mod

[frail owl]

sir nautilus just called he wants his chariot back

[dull heart]

I remember my post fishron coin gun

Loan Shark - it was a coin sniper that inflicted Midas

[azure oak]

i make a da art

[frail owl]

have you ever tried kratos verde?

[torn cairn]

yo doze how hard is C# actually?

[dull heart]

I am a terrible person to ask that because my brain is just built different

I find coding incredibly easy

At least, most of the time

[frail owl]

give me more high graphical fidelity astrum deus

[torn cairn]

okay fair enough

[dull heart]

Basically everything I know in c# is entirely self taught

just from reading other code

[thorny glacier]

basics should take a month to grasp, becoming a good coder in general takes about a year

[stone fiber]

Speaking of, can you post the new Devil's Devastation teaser again?

[lapis oak]

Aquashard Shotgun?

[azure oak]

wepon

[agile latch]

blunderbass

[azure oak]

oh hey the pulse raptor gun

[agile latch]

sharkshocker (shardsharker..)

[azure oak]

incredible name

[arctic cliff]

oh my god

using the actual literal souls as projectiles is actually nuts ngl

[lapis oak]

new weapons?

[agile latch]

temporarely it will be part of the mini shark family, but on pt 2

it will be moved to pulse raptor drop

shardshocker is new, blunderbass is just

aquashard reborn

[lapis oak]

got it

[thorny glacier]

can uppermost one be named as ?

[lapis oak]

what you mean temporarily

[agile latch]

there is no pulse raptor for it to drop from in pt1

so it will need to be crafted

[lapis oak]

oh ok

so that's gonna be where the Seadragon get its summoning fish ability from?

because it's part of the line

[stone fiber]

The what?

[agile latch]

it wont be..

its part of aquashard shotgun actually..

[lapis oak]

the... the Starmada line?

because that's what Aquashard upgraded to right now

[agile latch]

?

it isnt

starmada is just star cannon

[azure oak]

starfleet has aquashard

[agile latch]

well in dev it dont

this recipe fucking sucks

[agile latch]

i hope 10 boulders fall into the head of the user who made this recipe

its just aquashar > Shardshocker (nothing else)

but shardshocker is more of a spiritual succesor

[lapis oak]

got it

[agile latch]

🥹 was it just placed there because "shotgun ™ "

[lapis oak]

😔

might be

[stone fiber]

And the third one is the megalodon resprite

[lyric trellis]

Weapon sprites 🙏

[azure oak]

very curious to see what shardshocker is like

[lapis oak]

is this line gonna be expanded more or will it just have those 2

[arctic cliff]

almost certainly (Starfleet has a shotgun vibe)

[azure oak]

add it to the sdfmg

[agile latch]

just those 2

unless plans change in the future

[lapis oak]

👍

[agile latch]

shardshocker is p fun tho

(i need to test it ingame properly.. but on video it seems p fun)

[lapis oak]

Ranger do have a little bit of fish weapons in its arsenal

[agile latch]

you shoot a big crystal that lingers on the air for a bit creating a shock aura that damage enemies on it

if you shoot a second crystal and it hit the one that is already on air it create a big explosion

[azure oak]

hell yeah

[wide wadi]

Star feet

[silk terrace]

direct hits with the crystal cause a smaller explosion
hitting a lingering crystal with another will cause both to explode violently into a fuckton of homing shards

[lapis oak]

sounds fun

[silk terrace]

before anyone asks yes it's good on destroyer

[fringe quiver]

@agile latch

triangle i have a question of utmost importance triangle

ok 2 actually

[azure oak]

i will use it for as long as i can get away with

[silk terrace]

dev ping

you will now be executed

[fringe quiver]

first did you see what i tagged you with in rp discussion in sscls

second do you guys have any specific ideas for what you wanna do with daedalus golem staff

Like in terms of design or w/e

[agile latch]

dead

[fringe quiver]

That is if it's not gonna just. yeah

[agile latch]

killed

sent to tartarus

[fringe quiver]

And i assume Cryonic won't have any sort of minion/summon to replace it?

Yeah alr then

[agile latch]

it will likely

but an active one

[arctic cliff]

ARE YOU KIDDNG ME

[fringe quiver]

Any idea on what that one will look like in terms of design?

[arctic cliff]

YOU'RE KILLING THAT MINION?

[agile latch]

cryonic (whatever it becomes..) will have a rogue and summoner armor, so it atleast will have 1 weapon for both of these 2 classes

[agile latch]

[arctic cliff]

WHY'

[agile latch]

likely will follow the thematics of new cryonic set

[fringe quiver]

Not iterated upon yet i assume

Ic

[agile latch]

that is more nordic, runes (permafrost.)

[silk terrace]

i might have something

let me dm you

[agile latch]

did it kill aquatic scourge in 10 seconds in some update

or something

[arctic cliff]

you could literally kill any other minion and you chose daedalus golem?

really?

[agile latch]

because outside of that its really boring

unless you care about the HK reference

[arctic cliff]

its really neat what are you on

[agile latch]

its boring, cryonic set is boring (ice set number 3)

[arctic cliff]

you're boring

[agile latch]

but its mostly cryonic curse

[arctic cliff]

(true the set is boring, except for this one and the fucking verium bolts)

[agile latch]

if its behavior is cool, and some dev like it, it could go in something else

[fringe quiver]

Yeah i was just asking bc i had a silly goofy idea for a roy spell that'd summon a little cryonic golem guy to help you out and i was wondering if there were any specifics in regard to whatever is planned with that in the future, not like it matters 2 much though since this would only come way later and i was mostly just curious about aesthethics/design

[silk terrace]

behavior could be respurposed, yes

it's one of the few grounded weapons that actually work

[lyric trellis]

Horrible bar 💔

[torn cairn]

pretty sure the pre hardmode skeletons are busted against wof to

too

and against sg

[agile latch]

let me check golem ingame

last i saw of it, it was really zzz

[fringe quiver]

Yeah they're really strong but they're also borng as fuck

go my skeletons

walk into your enemy

crush them with your mighty contact damage

[lapis oak]

Necro Staff needs to die

[arctic cliff]

nah we need to rework the eye of night asap

[fringe quiver]

dude come on they're skeletons make them do cool skeleton things

Make them like throw their skull as a projectile and then run after it to pick it back up

[agile latch]

very advanced creature

eye of the night will be reworked

active summon, dream catcher that summons dream weapons for you to wield

[lapis oak]

wait what

[silk terrace]

busted yes, functional no

[fringe quiver]

no! contact damage grounded minion numero quatro

[lapis oak]

Cosmic Immat line will be active summon?

[agile latch]

vile feeder and cousins are also likely becoming weapon themed (the 2 hardmode evil enemy weapons) so there is

consistency on the line thematic..

[fringe quiver]

aw man

well ok

if it's for consistency fair

i'm just not a very big fan of weapon summons

[agile latch]

you will have your flower

for normal summon

[fringe quiver]

im much more partial to summons that are little critters

is a much cooler fantasy

[thick coyote]

skeleton summon doesnt throw its bone in an arc like the castlevania enemies

[extremely loud incorrect buzzer]

[lapis oak]

the whole Cosmic Immat will be active summons ye?

[fringe quiver]

if i want weapons i'll play literally every other class damnit!!!!!

[lapis oak]

awesome if true

[fringe quiver]

i want little guys!!!

[agile latch]

you will have the cool awesome hydra and other silly goobers

and stuff

everyone get something to enjoy

there is also the silly scal bird creatures

[lapis oak]

Cosmic Immat becomes active and Flower line will be the new regular summons

[fringe quiver]

youre true

evgen the actual skeleton enemies do that

[lapis oak]

wait the new Flower line is still one-off ye?

[agile latch]

one off?

[silk terrace]

one off?

[agile latch]

its like

7 weapons

in a line

or something

[lapis oak]

no I mean

[agile latch]

it dont fuse with sirius

if that is the question

[lapis oak]

you can only have 1 unique active

type thing

[silk terrace]

yes

[agile latch]

yea

[lapis oak]

👍

[agile latch]

eye of the night new line possibly would be
Reworked vile feeder (now mini versions of the evil weapon enemies) + imp staff (or sanguinesquito racket) + belladona + Reworked necro staff (im not saying that thing full name, its evil) = Dream catcher that spawn weapons you can wield
Eye of the night + Blade staff= New terra weapon that keeps the weapon thematic, plantation staff gets a new obtainment method elsewhere, likely perennial minibiome
Terra summon weapon + luminite and other materials: Elemental axe that follows the concept of the other weapons of the line
Daedalus active summon weapon + elemental axe + Terraprisma + miracle matter: Cosmic immaterializer

[silk terrace]

plantation staff is either perennial minibiome or a drop from the big planeta bulbs (might end up being the same thing? idk i'm not up to date on it)

one of the two

[dull heart]

yeah

[agile latch]

ye

[silk terrace]

holy doze jumpscare

[lapis oak]

got it

[dull heart]

boo

[silk terrace]

A

[lapis oak]

more active 🗣️

[dull heart]

I mean, there's a lot of that too

[lapis oak]

alright enough of little critters how about you let me summon a giant fucking behemoth to fight

[silk terrace]

don't worry if you want weapons that give you a bunch of little goobers play ranged

if i had a nickel for every ranged weapon i made that summoned little critters i'd have two nickels

[lapis oak]

ever think about giants enjoyers

[dull heart]

desert tiger staff

Void Eater Marionette

[lapis oak]

☺️

[agile latch]

the active economy really needs it..

[dull heart]

Truth

[agile latch]

need to sprite sanguinesquito when im out of the exam mines (and finishing some comm stuff)

[silk terrace]

there's also already and ice themed whip around that tier so

[agile latch]

funny weapon that let you summon blood moonsquitos at the cost of your blood

[dull heart]

cool whip goes hard

[agile latch]

they attack and steal the health from your enemies, and then you have to racket them to get the life they stole back

the racket also works as a standalone active summon weapon so you can combo it with other stuff

[azure oak]

beating queen bee with only the racket

[silk terrace]

yeah ok get back to me when you're doing a real challenge

[lapis oak]

try not to use Murasama challenge

(impossible youtube challenge)

[vivid hemlock]

GUN

[dull heart]

we better be able to play tennis with it somehow

[agile latch]

Btw sunny user

Still working on it, need to add a gun part

But that sharkshocker sprite works well for it?

[wide wadi]

This summon is goated

Best summon for that part of the game

[silk terrace]

it looks fantastic, my only concern is that the crystal projectile is really big

might look a little awkward coming out of the mouth when it's not open very wide or it's going to need a pretty wide barrel

blunderbass works since the fish's mouth is open wide enough for the projectile to come from it

that's my only concern though, sprite is incredible as always

[pulsar cobalt]

fishlock pistol

[arctic cliff]

well... maybe it could just do this

[silk terrace]

horrifying

[kind tinsel]

just squish the crystal when it goes out and unsquish it with a little jig

[wide wadi]

How about the crystal riqasha more crystal bullets and then they make more ricqusha

[thorny glacier]

chemical formula for sso november-december is change_2•logs_2 + 2to•5morrow

random science fact and nothing more

[naive ice]

What if slings

[late eagle]

Cosmic Immaterializer line is finally peak🥹

We... Achieved consistency in a calamity...

🧘

[vivid hemlock]

nope

thats just 1 of many steps

dont you remember? we still have 7 more years

[late eagle]

Still, this is great news for me

[azure oak]

all of the weapons so far seem like bangers

[late eagle]

Man, it annoyed me so much when I remember that Cosmic Immaterializer line made no sense at all.

Eye ball summon -> plantera like summon -> rainbow axe -> something??????

There I summarized the line for y'all

[rich ginkgo]

why would it be

[valid crypt]

I thonk that would be shattered community

[rich ginkgo]

it just references the calamity community as a whole for the contributions to the project

[rich ginkgo]

is that not just ozzatrons item

he has several dev items

[valid crypt]

Idk

[rich ginkgo]

shattered community is one of them

[late eagle]

Despise is a harsh word

[rich ginkgo]

probably lol, last time i checked it’s literally just the players’ version of the thank you painting

except it’s an accessory of course

[dense sundial]

In GFB, Shattered Community drops from Old Duke

I think that says enough

[uneven gate]

Old Duke? you mean the best, and most well designed boss in the mod?

[hasty tangle]

yeah

and its especially frustrating when they try to use stuff like dokuro's harassment as evidence of that

as if that wasnt over 6 years ago, by a small number of people

[rich ginkgo]

i feel like that would have been just a loud minority of people, right

i wasnt there to witness it first hand

but like everyone loves the dudes music

[hasty tangle]

yes, like it is just about every time something like that happens

[uneven gate]

tbf, Calamity has been through its fair share of controversies, so its not like the reputations is entirely unearned, am i right or am i right?!

its good for the jokess

[late eagle]

The community just needs to see the bright side of things instead of dramas like...

THE HOGGG

[rich ginkgo]

the quadruplet of pigs:

[late eagle]

WHAT IS BETTER THAN DIVINE SWINE CHAT

[uneven gate]

holy hell new potential food items

unless they all jus drop bacon

[late eagle]

The community will merge again when the chosen pig is added

[pulsar cobalt]

the horrible hog wont have a food item

[uneven gate]

awww

[vivid hemlock]

disgusting meat

[pulsar cobalt]

instead it will be a special consumable that makes u puke out all ur consumed power ups

[uneven gate]

like actually

[vivid hemlock]

yes

[uneven gate]

or r u joking

[vivid hemlock]

no this is fr

[rich ginkgo]

no

[vivid hemlock]

disgusting meat that pukes out ur insides

[pulsar cobalt]

yes

[uneven gate]

woah awesome

[pulsar cobalt]

it pukes them out as items again and u get to use them

or not

[late eagle]

Yep

[pulsar cobalt]

useful for testing and people only wanting to use the infinite mana part of new chaos stone in next update

[dense sundial]

What do the other pigs do, then

[vivid hemlock]

how do i make this more unreadable

golden piggy drops 90 gold or smth dumb
idt we know what divine swine will drop

[rich ginkgo]

really dogshit font

[lapis oak]

I think the divine pig drops reuseable food item

[vivid hemlock]

delicious meat will be for a tundra pig or smth

[dense sundial]

BROKE THE ECONOMY AGAIN AWARD

[late eagle]

Post it on Twitter

[vivid hemlock]

no

[late eagle]

true

[uneven gate]

why would it be useful for the infinite mana part, sorry im not connecting the dots here

[pulsar cobalt]

new chaos stone gives you negative mana. when youre negative its infinite. it also makes you deal more damage the more negative mana you have, but also inflicts a dot on you that also gets stronger with more negative mana

so if you have no mana upgrades, ull still have the infinite mana but ull be taking like no damage

[obtuse hawk]

Economy squidward

[lapis oak]

20 mana is like -1hp/second

200 mana is like getting 500 DoTs

[agile latch]

I opened the chat quickly and read it as equity squidward

[agile latch]

The guy never spawns

Piggy is super rare, golden piggy is the rarest being of all

[obtuse hawk]

3-point squidangle

[agile latch]

If you get a golden piggy, you deserve to break the economy

[obtuse hawk]

Epic rare golden piggy card

[dense sundial]

So it’s still breaking the economy except it takes nothing but immeasurable dumb luck

[agile latch]

Is 90 gold even breaking the economy

[pulsar cobalt]

90 gold

[agile latch]

I wasted like 8 plat to reforge my post plant gear

[pulsar cobalt]

less than two terraspark boot reforges,,,,

[agile latch]

Yea

🥹

It only would "break" the economy if you get it like

Pre boss

Congratulations you got a minishark

[dense sundial]

Apologies, I think I’m just salty or something

[agile latch]

A single BoC kill almost get you that ammount

[dense sundial]

I was gonna get to that

[agile latch]

If you sell everything

[dense sundial]

Do you intend to nerf the outrageous payout that Cal gives every boss now

…Is that a thing? I can’t exactly remember

[pulsar cobalt]

yea

[agile latch]

boss summons are becoming consumable again

[pulsar cobalt]

eoc goes from 3 gold dropped directly on master to 10

[agile latch]

(after your first kill)

that already helps a lot

[dull heart]

no

[agile latch]

or well

[dull heart]

The system we decided on was boss summons are refunded if you fail to kill the boss

[agile latch]

they only consume when you kill the boss

[dull heart]

yea

[agile latch]

1 summon = 1 boss

although

isnt that kinda broken on BoC?

because you can die to it to farm creepers

(tissue samples..)

[dull heart]

Creepers don't drop anything in rev+

[pulsar cobalt]

cal removes that on rev+

[agile latch]

same for EoW i guess then

[pulsar cobalt]

yes

[dull heart]

yup

[agile latch]

so no issue then

[dull heart]

either way it would be no less broken than it is right now

[pulsar cobalt]

5 non rev players

[dull heart]

we DO need to be careful and make sure that naturally spawned bosses don't refund a spawn item though lol

[hallow thunder]

where do the refunded spawn items get placed? just in the inventory, at the gravestone...?

[dull heart]

inventory

the system hasn't been made yet though

[hallow thunder]

it sounds like a cool system

actually makes boss summons you find in chests not worthless

[dull heart]

yeah with it we'll probably bring back eye spawns in chests

It'll also help a TON to make money actually matter again

[lapis oak]

ok?

[rare tinsel]

what’ll it do to improve money?

[lapis oak]

that's gonna be annoying when trying to get those damn 10% drops

[dull heart]

no more farming BoC for free

[rare tinsel]

oh right

[agile latch]

or any other boss

like DS

[rare tinsel]

are blorbs going anywhere?

[dusty tinsel]

Would be funny if you died to a natural spawned EOC and it just added a suspicious looking eye to your inventory 😂

[agile latch]

DS is surprisingly a really good money farm (currently.. not in the future due to it losing victide materials)

[dull heart]

depends what you mean by this sort of but no

blorbs exist and aren't planned to die

[dusty tinsel]

What's a blorb

Wait blood orb

[dense sundial]

That’s not what I’m getting at
What I read below seems nice though

[agile latch]

🦈 by them being consumable you cant

infinitely farm BoC anymore

[dull heart]

This has been nerfed already yes

[agile latch]

which helps to fix the economy (and also the payout has been nerfed)

[hallow thunder]

makes money more of an issue and spawn items more valuable

[dense sundial]

As in on 2.1?

[rare tinsel]

okay coolio

[agile latch]

hopefully they do die in their current form tho

[dull heart]

Yup

[hallow thunder]

so glad craftable demon/crimson altars are a thing

[dull heart]

depends what you mean by current form

[dense sundial]

Is nice

[dull heart]

Also makes 10% more like they're supposed to be - not a sit down and grind a boss over and over, but more of a "I just happened to get this by chance so now I can use it"

at least imo that's how they should be

[agile latch]

thing that let you fully ignore vanilla already existing potion stuff, to just becoming farming blood moons and crafting

[dull heart]

10% are also going to mostly die though

[lapis oak]

sigh

[dull heart]

Yes, that parts being replaced by new brewing system

[agile latch]

what is the new brewing system.. forgot

(in dev if its secret..)

[pulsar cobalt]

adding blood orbs in a brew to give more iirc

[dull heart]

tldr balance out time investment vs resource investment to brew potions and alcohol

[dense sundial]

I just looked at the values to be sure and Plant goes from 15 gold to 50 gold

[lapis oak]

are OCS components be changed to not be 1% drop with this

[dull heart]

You can get potions faster but they're more expensive per piece, or slower for cheaper

[hallow thunder]

wdym slower?

[dull heart]

This hasn't been implemented yet so no

[agile latch]

will this system force you to use it

[dull heart]

Only for alcohol

Not potions

[dull heart]

Literally requires time to brew

[hallow thunder]

ah okay

[lapis oak]

so... are OCS components gonna be changed to not be 1% drop with this?

[dull heart]

We'll see

it's not even begun implementation

[agile latch]

OCS?

[dull heart]

Occult skull crown

[agile latch]

wouldnt it be OSC

[vivid hemlock]

occult crown skull

[lapis oak]

right

[vivid hemlock]

kiri will die if it types a message in the next 240 hours in this server

[lapis oak]

OCS

would be nice for Legendary items to be more different than 10% drops

[pulsar cobalt]

occult ckull srown

[lapis oak]

kill all 10% drops

[vivid hemlock]

i thinks thats like an established idea already

possibility

[lapis oak]

uhhh no

[agile latch]

they will

[lapis oak]

I think you're talking about normal 10% drops

[agile latch]

eventually

[lapis oak]

then that's good

[vivid hemlock]

dummy

[dusty tinsel]

Rip kiri is dead

[lapis oak]

I don't think we need more shrine lucky items type things that aren't shrine lucky items

so that's good

[brave star]

Does that mean it’s Kiri’s ghost talking?

[vivid hemlock]

no its an ai

[brave star]

Even scarier

[dusty tinsel]

I replaced kiri with an AI yes

It had to be done to preserve Kiri's way of doing things

[lapis oak]

that is evil 😡

[lyric trellis]

I’m snail but I know Altix did this awhile ago (fixing the economy)

[raw falcon]

isnt that the system fargos uses actually?

[dull heart]

i think they just make it only consume once the boss is beaten once

but idk

[lapis oak]

wait a minute

I have to kill Guards every time I wanna farm Providence?

[earnest jewel]

I would assume there would be exceptions.

For instance, Draedon is an obvious one, as he doesn't have a 'summon item'.

And Supreme Witch, Calamitas already has consumable summon items until after you beat her, assuming Ceremonial Urn doesn't get axed or moved.