calamity-update-talk

[lapis oak]

😇

[kind tinsel]

self-control...

[tribal isle]

himelongun

[valid crypt]

Hello kozz

[kind tinsel]

related have you seen the banger gif

[cunning sequoia]

no

[tribal isle]

you should send it on a dif server where u have gif perms and screenshot the gif frame by frame and send it here

so we can experience it

[kind tinsel]

i think we should honestly pin the gif and send it automatically to any vaema mention

[graceful ivy]

Divine smite...

[kind tinsel]

swine smiting

[tribal isle]

how did you come up with the name incattus its funny

[valid crypt]

Divine swine is the grandma

[tribal isle]

like from silksong

[valid crypt]

No

[kind tinsel]

portmanteau of lord and cat in latin, awful i know

[valid crypt]

The one who beat up xeroc while they trying to rob a bank irl

[tribal isle]

😭

[kind tinsel]

wow melon gun you called an old lady a hog

truly depraved

[valid crypt]

I dont lnow what that means

[kind tinsel]

???

[valid crypt]

What

I dont know what calling someone that means

[vivid hemlock]

wretched abomination

[lapis oak]

😡

[modern grove]

George Washington in valamity mord

[kind tinsel]

its true

[clear compass]

Will Calamitas get any ai changes?

in the future I mean

Cuz rn it’s still a little bland

[valid crypt]

Probably but she is considered on the better end of bosses so it will be ages till she becomes a priority

[clear compass]

Makes sense

[fathom girder]

Tbf updates will be

slightly faster after they eventually slog through and finish SSO here

[little scroll]

thrasher patch? make me sad

[high scaffold]

No more breaking fishing progression

By feeding a child to alligator

[fathom girder]

:(

But i WANMA

[graceful ivy]

I'll just get it from another world or spawn it in

[dull heart]

L

just use the calamity fishing poles that have unique mechanics

[neat field]

i wonder how cosmilite liquid will even work

is it like molten metal

wouldn't that hurt

or is it more like popular drink lean

[high scaffold]

Also DoG rework

No resprite but attacks will still be updated

[neat field]

DoG rework is that he got that DoG in him

recursive DoG

[high scaffold]

A DoG inside me

A friend inside me

Deltarot strikes again

[neat field]

the town inside me

the distortion inside me

[high scaffold]

Distortion

[dull heart]

Sorry that was already removed years ago

[high scaffold]

Doesnt all post DoG content getting moved there

[dull heart]

yharon in the Distortion 🔥

[neat field]

the distortion doesn't actually have a bright purple filter

[high scaffold]

With cosmolite being crafted rather but dropped?

[neat field]

cosmolight is made out of astral bars in future update

so yeah crafted

idk what dropped it though

[high scaffold]

DoG drops cosmolite

Its his main drop

[valid crypt]

They mean the metal bar not the time item

[neat field]

like astral bars?

[valid crypt]

Cosmilite is the bar cosmolight is the time item afaik

Wha

[mortal sinew]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Cosmilite_Bar

[neat field]

unrelated but there should be a grand marquis bait emoji for the purposes of responding to bait

[neat field]

thank you wiki bot

[fathom girder]

but they don't have high power it's less efficient

c'mon doze I'm here to boss RUSH

not boss CRAWL

can't wait for sso to turn calamity runs into actual like

playthroughs

and not speedruns

[stone fiber]

So are we actually getting the "Triangle on fishron" enemy or is it just a placeholder?

XERNATOCULOC RRRRRAAAAAHHHHH
(Yes I know his real name is Xernocaloxusatros I just think this one is funnier )

[native thistle]

Boss rush, in the distortion. Because why not

[frail spruce]

still no updates on the next update?

[fathom girder]

never will be

it'll be out when it's out

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

sso probably november december

and rapture 2 is coming

[native thistle]

sso probably NEVER

[fathom girder]

image of reb saying it'll release in 2024

[native thistle]

It can still release in 2024 if we try real hard

[fathom girder]

here's how SSO can still win

[native thistle]

SSO ate my homework

[hoary edge]

SSO sabotaged my pokemon rejuvenation playthrough schedule

[native thistle]

What a calamity

[frail owl]

no thoughts in his head

[native thistle]

Relatable

[wide wadi]

Anyone know when Minecraft is getting getting a good update

[brave star]

Smol mammoff

[fringe quiver]

those are two separate sprites

its just triangles dev transformation

[late eagle]

When yharim is released

[neat field]

when yharim is released he will code minecraft 2.0

this will of course inspire an all out war between sweden and australia

it will escalate into nuclear winter and kill us all

[stone fiber]

If I remember correctly, in SSO NPCs (except for Bandit) will be left without shops, right?

[neat field]

permafrost will become even more irrelevant

[lyric trellis]

Pretty sure Permafrost will still have a shop until the Cryonic/Cryogen rework, which isn’t in SSO

[fringe quiver]

permafrost isnt being reworked yet

yea

its just amidias

[dense sundial]

So what’s with all the pigs all of a sudden

[lapis oak]

just pigs

[brave star]

Bad piggies even

[hushed hazel]

the horrible hog

[dusty tinsel]

the horrible hog better have a shop

[kind tinsel]

it sells

[azure oak]

give horrible hog the ability to commit mitosis

[valid crypt]

Ok lepus

[dusty tinsel]

instructions unclear the electrons in your body now can do mitosis and are

[brave star]

Give them to Kiri

They are plentiful in electrons and mitosis

[valid crypt]

Proton decay upon thee

[cobalt wharf]

kai cenat 🤑

[rare tinsel]

when the thermodynamics laws are violated

[neat field]

the iconic image

[spark kiln]

what

[remote bay]

i hope the new draedon labs are cool

[spark kiln]

i hope they suck

[dusk bronze]

true

[kind tinsel]

i hope the mole people that live in my walls are there

[tribal isle]

Shut up

🤐

[rich ginkgo]

found the mole

[native thistle]

thats what a mole would say

[shell sapphire]

[native thistle]

Mmm, wires

[brave star]

Calamity wires talk

[tribal isle]

[drowsy reef]

Is Amidias okay

[hard copper]

he just discovered hes pregnant

[brave star]

What happened to Amidas emojis

I wanna amidasevasion

[hushed hazel]

executed

[brave star]

Why

[hushed hazel]

i don't remember the exact reason

[rich ginkgo]

rip amidas

bro got canned

💔

[hushed hazel]

i think we just voted to trim a bunch of emotes and concluded amidiasevasion was ugly

[rich ginkgo]

sso is CANCELLED amidas REMOVED giant clam rework NEVER HAPPENING

[cunning nacelle]

is 2.1.0's release date soon or Soon™

[tropic jolt]

[cunning nacelle]

i may or may not have denied a friend's request to start a run by telling him to wait for the update

[tropic jolt]

glad to see both moyai emojis stayed they are clearly of extreme importance

[hushed hazel]

[tropic jolt]

[cunning nacelle]

[hushed hazel]

tHE stone and moyaigaze might've been added after we trimmed the emotes actually i forget

[brave star]

[buoyant pulsar]

can someone catch me up on who tf dogma is and what it has to do with evil2 bosses?

and/or war

[hoary edge]

[hoary edge]

love this emoji btw 🙂

[hushed hazel]

lore nerd

they're hive mind basically

[rich ginkgo]

well i mean like how long do your runs last and how often do you do them

you can always just do one now then do another when the update is out

[cunning nacelle]

not often, schedules dont really overlap

no big deal tho

[rich ginkgo]

but if you play cal every once in a while with friends like i do it’s probably worth it enough to wait

[cunning nacelle]

youre right i could just do another one

no need to wait

[rich ginkgo]

yeah and the fact that the game gives you 5 different classes to choose from helps

can play a different class next time as well if you like switching around between them

replayability in terraria is pretty good

[buoyant pulsar]

so like is this kinda accurate

oops fuck i didn;t mean to reply to that message

sorry triangle lol

[dull heart]

it's a "we hope to have it done this year, but we don't really know if that'll be doable"

especially since I'd imagine progress will slow a lot when we get closer to Christmas

[cunning nacelle]

yeah, makes sense

alr

[dull heart]

we don't really even know how long it will take honestly

[visual inlet]

I'm quite excited for the Exos rework

[distant raft]

thats happening in a very long time i think

[lone echo]

who is dogma
like that one guy from that one game?

[distant raft]

god of dogma

[hard copper]

dog of godma

[dull heart]

ma of dogod

[visual inlet]

straight shrimpin it

wait whaaaat base cores are getting removed?

[hard copper]

Yeah, theres not really a reason for them to exist, just item bloat which fills up inventories/storages, and makes the mod take longer to load. Recipes that use them will probably instead use the essence and ectoplasm.

Meld blobs and galactica singularities next? 🙏

[vivid hemlock]

galactica is already dying mostly

[visual inlet]

FUCK galacta

Meld blobs i didnt mind much

[vivid hemlock]

like its not removed, but its not even gonna be used for the weapons anymore 😭

id rather meld constructs be the ones removed

[visual inlet]

It'd be funny if it was left in the game, but wasn't used for any crafting recipe

[plain crypt]

meme crafting item, used specifialy to waste player resources and time

that would be funny

[visual inlet]

Make it happen doze

[dull heart]

Meld Construct might change into the meld tile tbh

[vivid hemlock]

based

[lapis oak]

new tiles

[dull heart]

but we'll see

that's been an idea going around for yeaaars

hmm do i splr

[plain crypt]

yes spoil

[visual inlet]

i NEEEEEEEEEEEED that exo mech rework

[dull heart]

no

[visual inlet]

spoil

[lapis oak]

I just woke up so spoil

[visual inlet]

It's my birthday

spoil ❤️

[plain crypt]

spill the tea

[hard copper]

the clammy tea

[plain crypt]

we be spilling clam's tea please?❤️

[dull heart]

I was going to post it in #spoilers but idk what to type so

maybe I won't

[plain crypt]

sad day for the clam community

[tropic jolt]

at first I spoilered

but then

[dull heart]

I don't think I've shown this before

[visual inlet]

🤤

[vivid hemlock]

@lapis oak

[plain crypt]

oh cool

[lapis oak]

axe version

this is not #spoilers qualified u changed u mind last minutes

[dull heart]

true

[lapis oak]

😔

[vivid hemlock]

show us a pixel of a random tooltip

doesnt matter what tooltip i just need a pixel

[dull heart]

I just showed you a couple thousand pixels of a random tooltip

[plain crypt]

btw will cosmic imaterialiser be reworked?

[dull heart]

eventually probably

[plain crypt]

lol

[vivid hemlock]

miracle matter weapons will rot until someone will save them

[plain crypt]

some weapons are good but definintly not cosmic immaterialsier

[vivid hemlock]

mhm

[sacred marlin]

Poison is misspelled here

[buoyant pulsar]

@boreal pewter are u gonna rework ultima too since u reworked starmada?
(thistle reference? lmao)

[boreal pewter]

donor item, so na

[buoyant pulsar]

aw man

[dull heart]

I already fixed it, it's just an old screenshot

[buoyant pulsar]

can u contact them?

[dull heart]

potentially, but also probably not worth the effort

[arctic cliff]

how far are you in terms of progress

[brave star]

Who donor’d ultima

[agile latch]

ever heard of checking wiki humor buddy

[brave star]

I forget at times bc I don’t look at EVERY weapon at once

I know there’s a BUNCH of donors and things they put in calamity

One of them I remember clearly is Cosmic Plushie by Terry n muse

[plain crypt]

how do you even get that plushie?

[tropic jolt]

defeat death mode dog in hardcore

[plain crypt]

bruh im good but im not that good

[pulsar cobalt]

u can always bring a bag to a hardcore world iirc

[plain crypt]

nah thats cheating, im an honest player

[brave star]

I respect that

[agile latch]

dogma was actually the monk of the dragon of faith, him killing the dragon of faith is meant to be a symbol to represent his (and part of humanity) lost of trust and faith in the dragons after the entire moonlord stuff

[dusk bronze]

@ocean jetty triangle is loreposting

[ocean jetty]

forward it to our gc. we'll catalog

[frail tapir]

So the axe doesn't go to the target, like that glaive summon weapon that I absolutely forgot the name of cuz I had ADHD

[buoyant pulsar]

ahhhh cool

[plain crypt]

Did every auric soul dragon have monks?

[dull heart]

igneous exaltation?

it is now an upgrade to it so that makes sense

[frail tapir]

Wait WHAT? So you mean it's used on the crafting for virid vanguard?

[dusk bronze]

and viral spout

both upgrade to virid

[frail tapir]

Finally they are useful for crafting atleast

I never found a reason to craft those two

[wide wadi]

i have come to the conclustion that elementals awken is kinda buns

[dusk bronze]

viral is lowk goated imo

[dull heart]

they're both useful for being weapons themselves

[dusk bronze]

very wrong channel

[dull heart]

exaltation is a little weird but fun

[wide wadi]

not like calamity updating any time soon

[dusk bronze]

false

sso november december

[tropic jolt]

noticing how nobody is saying 2025

[plain crypt]

What's the update going to be?

[dusk bronze]

sunken sea overhaul

[wide wadi]

a bunch of reworks and a new tree added to the map

[dusk bronze]

and a billion other things

[wide wadi]

[misty wren]

ostensibly sunken sea overhaul but in practice thats more like a quarter of the content

[plain crypt]

Nice

Still waiting for yharim

[wide wadi]

hopefully they make supreme calamitas look cooler because rn he looks ass

[tropic jolt]

[misty wren]

youll be waiting for multiple years

[misty wren]

she

[wide wadi]

yeah

bruh knows the lore

[tropic jolt]

what if she was a floating eyeball like calmitas clone

that would be pretty cool

[dusk bronze]

it's not even lore

[plain crypt]

I'll die before yharim releases

[wide wadi]

nah just using the same terraria player model is dook

[dusk bronze]

yharim 2031

[misty wren]

and fym scal she doesnt need fancy visuals its calclone that needs visual stuff

[open steeple]

hmmmm surely

[wide wadi]

they need to make her cooler

[open steeple]

yeah by making her an eye

that would be a good idea right

[wicked temple]

Oh true

[tropic jolt]

yeah

[dusk bronze]

good idea

[tropic jolt]

I think she should use biome mimic ai as well

[dusk bronze]

we should try that

[tropic jolt]

and the twins ai

[dusk bronze]

and turn the brothers into eyes too

[wide wadi]

im tired of these dookie bosses too like old duke and sand shark

[misty wren]

give the brothers twins ai

[dusk bronze]

true

[plain crypt]

Give every boss twins ai

[dusk bronze]

they will both be reborn as lotus flowers

[wide wadi]

gkk\

[tropic jolt]

what if they were shot dead

please

[wide wadi]

in ohio

[dusk bronze]

that's basically what's happening already

killed and replaced

[misty wren]

fish of theseus

[tropic jolt]

in my opinion they shouldnt be replaced 😬

[misty wren]

nah i think its fine for them to be replaced

[dusk bronze]

there would only be one sulphur sea boss

[misty wren]

theres been a boss tied to every tier of acid rain (fish of theseus)
and gss harms Nothing by being there

[wide wadi]

replace it with an actual cool boss in the sufrical sea

[dusk bronze]

yeah they're doing that

[plain crypt]

A lot of the dislike towards old duke is just that the boss fight is kinda mid and unoriginal, so just change that I think

[tropic jolt]

why does ocean but green need more than one unique boss

[misty wren]

it could have been worse it could have been so much worse

[dusk bronze]

it has a lot of potential

[vivid hemlock]

because its not just that

[wide wadi]

can we remove ravanger

[misty wren]

we should be glad we got this iteration of old duke rather than the initial proposal where its reskinned duke fishron that does nothing new (not even stat changes) except for drop 3 treasure bags

[agile latch]

gulp

[vivid hemlock]

its not like it needs two bosses, but theres no point in removing any

banners!!!

[plain crypt]

Nah ravanger rework looks peak

[dusk bronze]

finally i can hang a dead seahorse on my wall

[wide wadi]

we gotta remove ravanger old duke and sand shark and the mod will be way better

[tropic jolt]

spooky eyeballs

[dusk bronze]

wait yeah what the fuck are those

[agile latch]

jellyghouls

[dusk bronze]

hm

[dusk bronze]

i was gonna say seatizen shadow

[agile latch]

this is a part of their new sprite, they are more code creatures tho so

it dont really show the full picture

[dusk bronze]

oh damn

[agile latch]

there is a second variant that is eyeballs

[dusk bronze]

reply fail

[wide wadi]

eye ball

[tropic jolt]

souls of the clammed

[plain crypt]

It looks cool

[wide wadi]

so like the ravenger rework let me see it

[misty wren]

no

[vivid hemlock]

what

what are you talking about

[dusk bronze]

ravager doesn't have an n

[wide wadi]

you said he does

[misty wren]

ravager rework hasnt even started yet

[dusk bronze]

??

[wide wadi]

ok so before you rework it just scrap the boss

[misty wren]

its still concept art

[vivid hemlock]

mind-numbing channel

[wide wadi]

so you dont have to rework it

[plain crypt]

Lol Mura has insider knowledge before they even start reworking

[vivid hemlock]

???

[wide wadi]

[vivid hemlock]

what

[misty wren]

what

[dusk bronze]

mura is a dipshit

[plain crypt]

Mura posted a video on the ravanger rework a while ago

[silk terrace]

let's not go there please. ravager's concept art has been public for a while, however

[vivid hemlock]

how is that insider knowledge...

[misty wren]

yeah uh we've known about a ravager rework being in the plans for literal years

[dusk bronze]

i can say for certain he did not

[vivid hemlock]

yes!!!

[severe coral]

Oh?

[vivid hemlock]

jellyghouls

[severe coral]

Sharing SSO sprites I see

[misty wren]

multiple years before mura ever posted a video on it

[wide wadi]

nah if this is ravenger we gotta scrap it

[agile latch]

they have tentacles but again ingame coding creature

[tropic jolt]

when im talking about the latest calamity spoilers but suddenly the sprite that makes me angry appears in chat

[dusk bronze]

HOW DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP MISSPELLING RAVAGER IN DIFFERENT WAYS

[wide wadi]

ravenger

[severe coral]

Love enemies where you can share sprites and still couldn't know how it looks

[wide wadi]

raverver

[lean verge]

funny

[wide wadi]

maybe ravenger needs to go bald

[plain crypt]

Yep he did I just checked, it's a short and it's just what they have planned

[dusk bronze]

yeah that's public knowledge

[vivid hemlock]

what?

[agile latch]

well they are planned to be shared in a spoiler video this month

but this is closer to how they look ingame

[tropic jolt]

heart attack

[agile latch]

my favorite SSO creature

[wide wadi]

me when i see ravenger getting a rework instead of just hitting the trash bin

[misty wren]

the only even remotely insider knowledge mura would have about rav rework is screenshots from mango streams in calart which is a public server so not insider knowledge

[wide wadi]

[vivid hemlock]

mura doesnt have insider knowledge he just repeats whats already public knowledge

[agile latch]

beloved fryzah user implementation of it

[dusk bronze]

it'll be peak

[plain crypt]

Lol

[wide wadi]

no it wont gang

[distant raft]

flesh gorilla

[tropic jolt]

I really hope I can cut off ravagers head and use it to decorate my house

[dusk bronze]

extremely loud incorrect buzzer

[agile latch]

sort of

[severe coral]

Bro what the fuck is this little gooner ass bug

[agile latch]

he do asks devs for info and correction on videos

[wide wadi]

[distant raft]

wondering if this person has even seen the art yet

[agile latch]

?

[dusk bronze]

why are there like 4 new people right now where did you all come from

[wide wadi]

me when mura hasnt posted in 5 months

[vivid hemlock]

weird description

[distant raft]

i clicked on the channel because im bored

[severe coral]

Looks like he wants to tuch me

[vivid hemlock]

what

[misty wren]

hi woke lesbian jesus

[agile latch]

[silk terrace]

what

[wide wadi]

lesbian

[tropic jolt]

I saw a martian probe earlier I think somebody ran into it

[wide wadi]

where

[vivid hemlock]

this channel is cancerous tonight it seems

[dusk bronze]

nod

[distant raft]

tonight?

[vivid hemlock]

timezones

[wide wadi]

yesnyes indeed

[misty wren]

when is it not

[vivid hemlock]

youre right

[plain crypt]

We spawned here, you forgot you placed the water candle

[snow moth]

There are 240k people in this discord, maybe people just stopped lurking

[misty wren]

hi ozzatron calamity mod

[silk terrace]

oh hi ozz

[wide wadi]

tbh calamity devs would have an easier time if they didnt have 3 different game modes

[distant raft]

i like when new changelogs drop and a billion new accounts all join to complain that butcher button now deals 3000 damage instead of 3200 damage

[snow moth]

hi john idle games mage

[vivid hemlock]

is that ozzatron

[dusk bronze]

ozz why haven't you killed overloaded soldier yet

[snow moth]

which 3 different game modes

[wide wadi]

death normal and revengous

[severe coral]

Quick question what's the importance of that Control game to u

Always wondered

Ngl until I saw it on steam I thought it was fuckin Anakin

[hazy pine]

double the ravager hate and give it to old duke

[snow moth]

multiple difficulty boss AI has not impeded development since may, and I doubt it will do so in the future 👍

[wide wadi]

bro both are dookie

[snow moth]

last I checked, yes

[hazy pine]

at least ravager has a cool concept

old duke was an unfunny april fools joke given a form of shit from a butt

[vivid hemlock]

[dusk bronze]

there's classic, expert, master, expert rev, expert death, master rev, master death, legendary, legendary rev and legendary death

[wide wadi]

whattt

booty

[severe coral]

Damn wait duke was an april fools boss wasn't it

[hazy pine]

yeah

[wide wadi]

hmmm seems like a lot

[hazy pine]

so was duke fishron

[dusk bronze]

tbf regular duke also released april 1

yeah

[agile latch]

old duke lore ™ is that

[silk terrace]

if anything multiple boss difficulty AI allowed DoG to reach a higher standard than it would have if it was pureply rev

[agile latch]

fabsol wanted more drop from duke fishron

[wide wadi]

but ozz man said they are done with the ai changes so thats cool

[gentle cliff]

hi everyone

[agile latch]

so they made a harder sulphur sea variant of it that dropped

3 bags

[agile latch]

then it got scope crept and morphed into what you know as current OD

[vivid hemlock]

StinkyChungus25

[severe coral]

Then why do all of OD's drop suck ass

[agile latch]

they got reworked fully this update

[misty wren]

noxus jumpscare

[snow moth]

(yes, it's still in the files)

[wide wadi]

no no no theres that one good expert item

[hazy pine]

sso?

[misty wren]

i keep forgetting tht its there

[vivid hemlock]

right i forgot its still there

[dusk bronze]

🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[agile latch]

[severe coral]

_ _

[agile latch]

the expert item from OD is honestly

its worst drop

(the scales)

[distant raft]

i cant think of anyone who has ever used old duke's scales to genuine benefit

[hazy pine]

good i hope it makes him tolerable and not just duke fishron stripped of everything fun about it

[severe coral]

Ohh scales

[snow moth]

I really liked the game and thought it was very fun to play. My previous profile pictures were other characters with bright red hair so I just swapped to this one and haven't changed it since

[agile latch]

i can finally say expert item without being corrected

joyous

[severe coral]

:)

[wide wadi]

bruh it makes cool spikes on screen and also raises damage if i remeber

[agile latch]

it dont

[tropic jolt]

glorious

[distant raft]

i think you're thinking of lump of flesh

[wide wadi]

it does something i remeber using it

[misty wren]

nope you're being corrected its eggspert item

[wide wadi]

i dont use buns items

[severe coral]

Don't use items that aren't the best

[gentle cliff]

scope creep is extremely healthy for the lifespan and development of all projects

[agile latch]

it "empowers" your dashes but also cause you to get tired after you do a few of them in a row

[severe coral]

No fun allowed

[agile latch]

its honestly more of a hinderance than a upgrade

currently

[dull heart]

yeah od scales is rough rn

[severe coral]

You will farm haemopirhanha PML

[agile latch]

xyk do plan to

work on them tho

so they are better

[dusk bronze]

isn't it being changed to lungs

[hazy pine]

YES i'm a calamity player
YES i follow video build guides
YES i love stat sticks
YES the community is my goat
NO i will not use a new build
NO i will not use a new class
NO i do not like the game

[distant raft]

the only time i can see it being useful is like long delay dashes which arent in basecal

[snow moth]

cancer is just microbiology scope creep

[dull heart]

part of the issue is the exhaustion just kills dashes entirely

instead of just making them shorter

[gentle cliff]

the oldest dog and human alive are BOTH cancer dude

[hazy pine]

PRAYING that classes get more interesting endgame items that aren't just "you do 55% more damage and have xyz stat bonus that pertains to class" in sso

[wide wadi]

i dont follow no guides '

i do it myself

[dusk bronze]

elemental gauntlet

[snow moth]

no plans to adjust endgame items in sso

[wide wadi]

bruh my first time i beat dog was with the dookie black prism

[snow moth]

sso is not endgame content lmao

[severe coral]

Except y'know

All of em

:3

[hazy pine]

all of the elemental accessories

[dusk bronze]

correction: 5 trillion weapon reworks

[hazy pine]

like oh wow the quiver does ONE thing that isn't just increasing ranged stats and it basically does that anyways

[snow moth]

do not ever correct me about my own game

[hazy pine]

wowzers

[tropic jolt]

hammer of long name got a rework and thats enough for me

[severe coral]

You got a game?

[agile latch]

well

[dusk bronze]

and sword of short name (earth)

[agile latch]

there is some accesories reworks

and new accs

that arent stat sticks

but that isnt a SSO goal ye

[tropic jolt]

the fewer words a magic swords name has...

[silk terrace]

there's a few thoughts for endgame accessories, but very few will be in SSO

[agile latch]

like weaver expert drop

[snow moth]

if you insist on pedantry:

sso as an update does not aim to deliver endgame content primarily. there are multiple endgame item reworks in it, but that's not the point of the update. the devs did those for fun along the way

[dull heart]

i don't think we've touched the endgame ones

[silk terrace]

if any

[severe coral]

smh looking up that word

[hazy pine]

i'm aware that it's not the point

i don't want the endgame as a whole to be reworked

just some of the accessories that are literally just stat sticks

[agile latch]

warbanner or well

do you mean endgame endgame

like post Yharon, exo mechs

[severe coral]

"Excessive concern with minor details"

[tropic jolt]

it feels like the whole server is in this chat right now

[dull heart]

warbanner isn't endgame either yea

[dusk bronze]

which one is that again

[silk terrace]

i would count endgame as post-dog forward

[severe coral]

This has been English with Ozz

[agile latch]

ring

arc flash ring

[dusk bronze]

ah

[snow moth]

please provide a list -- when does an accessory stop being a stat stick?

[dull heart]

i think they meant post-dog forward, like equiver and all that

[dusk bronze]

the mystery accessory

[wide wadi]

sso is just to flesh out the whole calamity mod

[hazy pine]

when it does something beyond boosting stats. like i said the main offenders that come to mind are the elemental gauntlet and quiver

[wide wadi]

theres no new end game stuff

thats after sso

[dull heart]

quiver and gauntlet both do more than just raw stats

quiver does +1 extraupdate (which is very unique, also dying) and gauntlet does debuff infliction

[hazy pine]

increase velocity (okay) and chance to not consume arrows (from another accessory)

[dull heart]

not much more but they do

[wide wadi]

because they gotta make the suprem calamatas look cooler

[silk terrace]

gauntlet yes, quiver is questionable after we removed the extra update

[wide wadi]

[dull heart]

yeah but i'm talking about right now in public

in dev equiver is screwed

give it elemental mix like egauntlet clearly

[silk terrace]

so true

[dusk bronze]

most debuff inflictions might as well just count as stat sticks imo

[severe coral]

You know what?

[snow moth]

So Community and Shattered Community are not stat sticks? Or are they stat sticks but not offenders because their whole identity is being the scaling stat sticks

[lean verge]

tbf though a lot of vanilla class specific accessories are also just stat sticks

[dull heart]

finally it gets to be better than recon scope 🔥

[agile latch]

debuff isnt really that much of a jump compared to stat stick to be fair

[hazy pine]

no they are

[severe coral]

You're sounding an awful lot like a fish rn

[hazy pine]

that's why i mentioned it in the post earlier

[agile latch]

but i think e gauntlet being mostly a stat stick thing works

as long as we have

cool non stat stick melee accesories by there too

[hazy pine]

i don't quite like them because of it like those are just the first two that come to mind because i was on their wiki page

[wicked temple]

plpl

[dusk bronze]

yharim's gift

[snow moth]

personally I love stat sticks because I don't want to think, I just want to be generically strong without effort and without being pigeonholed into a play style by a game designer who isn't me

[dull heart]

stat sticks are great and we need some of them yeah

[snow moth]

are there too many right now? maybe

[agile latch]

but we also need non stat sticks (we have 0)

[tropic jolt]

more crit chance please waiter

[agile latch]

[dull heart]

ranger actually gets quiver of nihility for the non stat sticks

[misty wren]

woooooooo i love semantics i love arguing over what counts as a stat stick because its just gonna end up as worm boss alignment chart 2

[agile latch]

donor..

and also quiver

[snow moth]

i am not making that

[severe coral]

Is this why Ankh got booted from Asgard's recipe?

[dull heart]

donor content still exists to the average player

so like

[wide wadi]

hey thats what i like thats why i dont play the stars above mod

[snow moth]

no ankh got booted from asgard's recipe so that asgard wasn't a do-everything-at-once god item

[wide wadi]

[boreal pewter]

real

[severe coral]

Do everything at once?

[snow moth]

xyk what is this scp shit

can you link me the original message

[dusk bronze]

scp type spoiler

[hazy pine]

subject [REDACTED] obliterated

[dull heart]

this is how my brain feels 75% of the time

[agile latch]

user censoring me..

[misty wren]

defensive, mobility, more defensive, more defensive again

[snow moth]

this you?

[severe coral]

ah

[silk terrace]

so in SSO we're adding [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] and oh don't forget [REDACTED]

[dull heart]

it's more like the loading screen in fire emblem 3 houses where you can play with the mini byleth while loading

[hazy pine]

in sso i'm adding one more download to the calamity mod page erer don't forget me

[misty wren]

it used to be even worse once you hit elysian because it had The Toggle.

[dull heart]

Elysian Guard was so hilarious

[silk terrace]

elysian guard my beloved

[tropic jolt]

head exploded

[severe coral]

[WARNING] SSO WILL CONTAIN [ITEMS]

[dull heart]

40 defense, 15% dmg, 10% crit woooo

[dusk bronze]

oh shit i forgot elysian guard was a thing

[dull heart]

the crazy thing is that it didn't get used much

[hazy pine]

i feel like that's a better description than the stat sticks; just a conglomeration of previous accessories that do everything they did COUGH ethereal talisman

[dusk bronze]

source?

[hazy pine]

save mage society...

that one ring..!

[severe coral]

It came to me in a dream

[dull heart]

eth talisman is rough because it has no notable difference from sigil of calamitas yeah

[misty wren]

a lot of people vastly overestimated the downside

[dusk bronze]

that's not called being a stat stick
that's called being boring

[dull heart]

the downside did nothing because wing speed didn't scale with move speed!

[hazy pine]

that's why i said it's a better description pal

[snow moth]

okay so your problem isn't that the items are stat sticks, it's that they're over consolidated?

do you think that accessories should stop gaining power later on, or should be fully replaced by new items that have the same niche but are higher effort for no reason other than spectacle creep?

no accusation here. curious what you think the solution is

[severe coral]

Take all damage bonuses off all accessories except one and have that one give like 80%

[wide wadi]

power creep

[snow moth]

sso contains at least one new item (Hubris)

[dull heart]

remove accessories

[snow moth]

👍

[dusk bronze]

true

[severe coral]

Same with move speed, defense, crit

[dull heart]

actually leave one accessory slot but only dev accessories can go in it

[dusk bronze]

and step stool

[dull heart]

yes

[hazy pine]

gonna type for a while because while i'm not a game designer and my ideas are mainly "heh this would be cool"

[snow moth]

when vanilla adds predominantly hilariously boring accessories and design scale increase of accessory functionality is almost exclusively a modded thing, is this a case of raised expectations or people preferring to use modded loadouts when they play modded?

[tropic jolt]

what if you had to craft your accessory slots

[severe coral]

I love mining in the Ice for the fabled Accessory Slot Fruit

[tropic jolt]

the children yearn for the mines after all

[severe coral]

I am

Old

🪦_ _

[tropic jolt]

I am steve

[dull heart]

My opinion on the post-dog major accessories is that they should be pretty simple and very generalized

[hazy pine]

anyways
the issue with things like ethereal talisman (the example i'm going with) is that it is LITERALLY just two accessories combined. it has nothing going for it beyond just being two in one and while it serves its purpose, i want more. why i'm excited for something like the arc line

[dull heart]

not specialized to specific playstyles

[snow moth]

i wouldn't hate 4 acc slots pre skeletron or something but it's an unnecessarily disruptive change

[lone echo]

you lose 1 slot every time you die

[hazy pine]

i don't want more "hit specific spot to crit" or "if you do a certain button input you do a z move" but just giving it one new thing for being an upgrade would be nice

[tropic jolt]

I am mostly joking but I do think it could be an interesting idea

[severe coral]

You die every time you're slain

[dusk bronze]

you can only regain slots by killing bosses

[hazy pine]

that isn't just a previous accessory stat buff but slightly higher

[snow moth]

this is exactly the problem

people expect spectacle creep on every post prov accessory but the fact of the matter is a lot of them exist to be generalist class-selection accessories and can't do fancy things because otherwise you are forcibly pigeonholing people's playstyles just because they picked a damage type

[dull heart]

yeah

[wide wadi]

craft your accessory os overcomplecated just have a boss drop another accessery slot

[dull heart]

EGauntlet is good rn

equiver needs some help

[dusk bronze]

that makes senseyeah

[wide wadi]

bruh im not item searching for accessery slot crafting

[tropic jolt]

is it because the bosses drop some sort of demon soul

[lone echo]

no but wof does

[dull heart]

talisman needs to add something besides mana flower to it probably?
nucleogenesis is fine

[snow moth]

you have aptly summarized the narrow space here:

1. don't want more gimmicks
2. want new stuff on upgrades
3. the new stuff shouldn't just be higher stats

there is very little between "stats" and "gimmicks"

non-disruptive gimmicks are the best middle ground

[tropic jolt]

I love gimmicks

[dusk bronze]

chaos stone

/j

[dull heart]

no

[golden summit]

the gimmick of leaving a healing circle when u pot is a really fun gimmick

[misty wren]

in old cal i would have said i feel like the solution would be more specialization in accessories rather than the generalization often seen where, rather than going into one aspect, its simply accessory agario and every accessory seems to do everything
but this issue i think has generally been smoothed out recently (especially in terms of defensive accessories)

[golden summit]

i wish it incentivized standing in it more

[wide wadi]

how about we add a new class called planter and he plants seeds he gains stats

[severe coral]

Which makes me actually take more damage :3

[hazy pine]

yeah like that's fine for the "general purpose" accessories; one or two "cool and flashy" accessories for a class (things like the crit thing) are cool to have but still can be replaced by something like affliction for example

[snow moth]

great example -- it's a non-disruptive gimmick. it gives the player nothing but advantage, because you can play as if it doesn't exist and never be punished. but if you play with it, you are rewarded

[silk terrace]

genesis just needs to not inflict 5 million debuffs

[dull heart]

affliction isn't an offensive focused accessory

[hazy pine]

like don't make absolutely everything a gacha game skill anim when you use it but give it more beyond just compressing two together

[snow moth]

im sensing some grudges here

[hazy pine]

it's just the first good accessory i thought of

[dusk bronze]

i think post dog there should be one generalized accessory for each class, and then some gimmick options depending on your playstyle

[hazy pine]

not specifically for that purpose

[cobalt wharf]

dark woke knows the ideal accessory setup is having no generalist accessories and instead of worrying about gimmicks not being enjoyable by everybody, you just have every accessory cater to a different playstyle that people can pick and choose at will hey wait a minute

[dull heart]

the general offensive ones are the major post-dog ones: gauntlet, quiver, talisman, nucleo, and mirror

[snow moth]

there is definitely identity in the majority of defensive accessories now. we're working on the DPS accessories. ultimately DPS is a single number and they will all do roughly the same thing over a 30+ second time frame but the question is what flavor of number soup you want to slurp today

[wide wadi]

[hazy pine]

i generally don't like accessories that punish you if you don't use them "right" (like scales) unless they provide a massive upside in exchange (unlike scales)

[golden summit]

i think accesories are in a pretty fine spot, combining all the class accesories into one big accesory at the end so u get to muck around with all the broken fun accesories is good

[wide wadi]

no man that would be making the game machnices revolve around that one item

[dull heart]

i agree

which is not far from where it is now

[wide wadi]

its like for every boss fight you need agius shield

[dusk bronze]

it's pretty much just mage and ranger that need dire help in the latter department

[dull heart]

ranger has one gimmick one! it just needs a gimmick one that works on all ranged weapons

[golden summit]

i do think early/mid HM is where accesories feel weird

[cobalt wharf]

how is summoner or rogue not dire

[golden summit]

feels liek you have too many "mandatory" accesories

[cobalt wharf]

summoner is just random debuffs and a lot of stats

[hazy pine]

so yeah overall my thoughts are (basically as ozz summarised)
don't give EVERYTHING some gimmick, but some accessories that are still viable would be nice to have (i like the crit thing for range and angel thing for summoner, havent played rogue and melee seems really samey) and make the "combo" accessories do something beyond being compressed

[dusk bronze]

they have 73 morbillion accessories each

[cobalt wharf]

that doesn’t make them good?

[misty wren]

which is an issue on its own

[dusk bronze]

ranger has 3

[misty wren]

specifically in the case of rogue

[dull heart]

summoner has so many gimmicky items, they just all also give every type of stat

[hazy pine]

mage has like 4 i think

[cobalt wharf]

like the summoner accessory picks are not gimmick options is the issue

the most it deviates is this item gives a big minion instead of minion slots

[dusk bronze]

how do you do gimmicks for summoner tho

[cobalt wharf]

well

[dull heart]

nucleo is the post-dog consistent one, then PSA is a gimmick, phantomic is a gimmick

[silk terrace]

laser pointer

[tropic jolt]

the summons summon you

[dull heart]

about a laser pointer

[cobalt wharf]

i think you might learn how in sso

[dusk bronze]

hell does that mean

[snow moth]

we have a gimmick accessory for summoner which makes your whips attach nuclear bombs to things lmao

[dusk bronze]

oh peak

[dull heart]

well, sort of

[snow moth]

is that even a gimmick? or is that just a whip upgrade acc

[dull heart]

it's locked in summoner branch hell

[golden summit]

i think summoner has a LOT of design space for "gimmicks"

[dusk bronze]

a lot of space, not a lot of ideas i think

[tropic jolt]

if the nukes dont do anything particular id say its just an upgrade

[golden summit]

maybe a acc that makes ur summons temporary but stronger

[snow moth]

not really they just explode lol

[hazy pine]

the issue is that it can very easily become overtuned

[cobalt wharf]

summoner theoretically is the best class for gimmicks the main issue is just being limited by what’s possible
like you can’t make a “minion speed” stat without manually changing every summon to physically work for it

etc

[dull heart]

wait till you hear about hellbound

[golden summit]

maybe an acc that turns all ur minion slots into sentries

[dusk bronze]

[misty wren]

rogue has the issue of too many gimmicky items that all add together to make one clusterfuck of a class that has so many variables that all of them cannot be balanced as a whole leading to utter insanity, with builds having extreme highs and extreme lows and very little in between

[hazy pine]

like i think the provi crystal is a fun gimmick accessory for summoner

[cobalt wharf]

it can still be gimmicky, like if it’s a cooldown effect then the gameplay is when you get it to wait for an ample time or position to stick it with ur whip

[dusk bronze]

this is worded perfectly yeah

[frail tapir]

Like will m1 garand have the iconic PING sound effect?

[dull heart]

We already have that coming sometime

[dusk bronze]

that's exactly the issue

[cobalt wharf]

not a big gimmick since most of the time that ample time is “right away” but it adds a small level of depth

[hazy pine]

also i need to keep writing so buh bye

[tropic jolt]

goodbye bonnie

[cobalt wharf]

this is mostly a balancing and design issue rather than with having gimmicks on its own

[hazy pine]

goodbye cyver discord

[snow moth]

this was entirely my fault because I was specifically trying to avoid the vanilla tarpit of "everything is +8% damage and the gimmicks are so weak they don't exist"

[golden summit]

could do something where summons do less damage, but if you hit with a whip they get a massive damage increase (thats overall a benefit) for X seonds

[snow moth]

so I made a bunch of intentionally strong effects

shocker you can stack them

💀

[cobalt wharf]

like the rogue gimmicks JUST suck and have very little safeguarding

[snow moth]

yes. it also has a unique pixel art PING! that appears when it occurs.

[silk terrace]

blunder booster is fun, i like that one

[golden summit]

rogue is a fun class

[cobalt wharf]

booster dash doesn’t really work in the context of stealth

[frail tapir]

Ohoho this is awesome

[silk terrace]

i'm pretty sure it also kills everything up to old duke faster than most weapons in live still

[dusk bronze]

good thing stealth is dying

[cobalt wharf]

booster gameplan is spam it brainlessly instead of using a normal weapon rn

[tropic jolt]

does ilmeris have free wifi

[snow moth]

glad to hear it, I can only think about its mechanical failings

[misty wren]

what? no it isnt??

[frail tapir]

I am going to absolutely destroy the enemy

[cobalt wharf]

you don’t pick when to or not to use it you just kind of do as much as you can

[dusk bronze]

it is really really fun to play

[golden summit]

for every calamity run (except my current infernum run) ive played rogue. ol' reliable

the only isseus i have is that every tier you have to figure out which weapons r stealth and which are spam and which is better

[vivid hemlock]

no??

[snow moth]

the ideal here is instead of there being weapons with bad stealth strikes, there will just be weapons with focus flurries instead

so it will be blatantly obvious from the tooltip

[dusk bronze]

[snow moth]

"this weapon literally can't stealth strike, don't try to play stealth with it"

[snow moth]

not all stealth strikes are becoming focus flurries

fix the doc

[vivid hemlock]

rework does not mean removal

[snow moth]

stealth is renamed to focus

stealth focus generation significantly changed but there are still ways to make it faster

[golden summit]

thats a fantastic change

[snow moth]

we already have two weapons that do this

molten amputator and nanoblack reaper

there might be others I'm not thinking of

[silk terrace]

those are the only two afaik

[snow moth]

nanoblack reaper rework has been unfinished for a year because it turns out I am too busy to make my own dev weapon

[dusk bronze]

hearing you mention nanoblack made me remember the old planned set

[snow moth]

every time I think of it, I just think the calamity roadmap is more important

[dull heart]

two weapons that increase stealth gen or that use flurries?

[snow moth]

maybe my opinion will change when I get out of the fish mines

[dull heart]

Actually I think it could be argued that wulfrum knives could count for either of these too now

except they always throw 3 so ig it's not really a stealth flurry

[dusk bronze]

random question
why is the dev plans board called taiga

[dull heart]

that's the software name

[silk terrace]

that's what the program is called

[misty wren]

because thats the service used

[snow moth]

wait hold on

let me make sure that link is right

yes, it was

https://taiga.io/

[dusk bronze]

ah

so it is

[snow moth]

legit real professional task management software

[dusk bronze]

definitely fancier than notion

[cobalt wharf]

creating 800 disconnected discord threads >>

[frail tapir]

Nanoblack reaper rework????

[frail tapir]

Not really, it's really fun but kinda hard too

[open steeple]

i agree with them rogue has the most consistently fun weapons throughout the game

[woeful phoenix]

Imo it feels like the class with the most impactful variety

[open steeple]

theres sooo many options that are all unique

my favorite has to be tracking disk id say

[woeful phoenix]

Like, guns and bows aren't that different while Launchers maybe can, most Melee options are just kinda very similar most of the time, and Summoner is very same-y since you're not even actively using the main weapons

[open steeple]

ranger has some good weapons

hellborn and superradiant mainly

also cornith prime if it gets buffed against other enemies but nerfed against dog

[woeful phoenix]

Mage probably has the most variety in weapons second to Rogue

[open steeple]

shame mage sucks

[woeful phoenix]

But Rogue also can use the same weapon two different ways

[open steeple]

its rogue mage ranger melee summoner id say

[hazy pine]

worst to best?

[open steeple]

summoner rogue ranger/melee mage

[hazy pine]

i was asking if the earlier list was your thoughts

[open steeple]

in terms of power btw

[hazy pine]

mage above melee?

[open steeple]

no mage is the weakest

still viable though

[lapis oak]

fish!!! 🗣️

omg fish

[dusk bronze]

fish of jelly

[late eagle]

uuh what is focus flurries again?

Don't member...

😑

[dusk bronze]

read the image directly above

[vivid hemlock]

wrong thats a your dead remains

[late eagle]

So focus flurries will just be a mix of stealth and spam?

[dusk bronze]

uhh not really

[sly sandal]

Oh did u guys see the animated version of the Elysian tracers (if that’s what they’re still gonna be called)

[late eagle]

Oh right I'm a calamity fan I can't read dang it

[dusk bronze]

yuh

it's peam

[sly sandal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404775224106811412/1426609117686009937/Elysian_Wings.gif?ex=68ed2a46&is=68ebd8c6&hm=7dc14d4ac68f71322e5696e9d105deb17d9e644c745556dd7499ce0d3253f1b6&

Real

Bro

[dusk bronze]

[late eagle]

Best terraria wings

[sly sandal]

Someone (preferably with perms) be a doll and send that for me plz

[misty wren]

resisting the urge

[vivid hemlock]

resist the urge

[misty wren]

you can send it yourself you just have to download the gif and upload as an attachment and not as a link

[sly sandal]

Yayyyy

[sly sandal]

oh….

[late eagle]

Don't resist the urge

Just go crazy

[sly sandal]

Reminds me of like a cosmic butterfly

[tropic jolt]

these boots laced

[late eagle]

Reminds me that I still want to see slug deus in the future

[sly sandal]

Real

For some reason it reminds me of old dog and storm weaver

[late eagle]

Please eelify him🙏

[dusk bronze]

nudibranchify*

[snow moth]

imagine a stealth strike but instead of stealth striking, you right click, then you can spam attacks super fast and they have special effects and behavior

so it's the exact opposite of a precision stealth strike

[late eagle]

That's... Actually peak...

[late eagle]

And will there be weapons that will have this focus flurries, and other weapons that will have the traditional stealth then?

[open steeple]

waow

[hazy pine]

Nice

[snow moth]

Yes

[late eagle]

Nice

I think now I understand why rogue doesn't have many weapons that have been reworked

[lapis oak]

generally low use time weapons will be receiving Focus Flurries?

[lean relic]

Help I can't

[snow moth]

what the fuck is this?

[late eagle]

Dread

[lean relic]

sso brainrot

[tropic jolt]

sunken sea fallacy

[slate folio]

Notice how they've stopped recently because we're getting actual spoilers

[slate folio]

People have been driven to insanity waiting for this update if I'm gonna be honest

[neat field]

sso june-july

[late eagle]

SSsanity

[neat field]

sso 2500-3000

[rich ginkgo]

@developers 👀

[slate folio]

... these are the kind of people I warned you about

[tropic jolt]

seasanity

[pearl sentinel]

I think @ ozzatron will enjoy dissecting this frame by frame 👀

[slate folio]

At this point

[late eagle]

SSO is actually done, Rebecca is just waiting for Oda revealing the one piece to release the fish update

[slate folio]

Just think that sunken sea is a mass hysteria social experiment

[late eagle]

Sorry guys but it's true

[slate folio]

It's never releasing to see how an online community responds to waiting

[lean relic]

If Amidias sees that he will do same reaction as ozz

But +"why my face is there and smiling"

[slate folio]

Was it gao that made this image

Whoever did, I curse them for eternity

[lean relic]

Orios made that

The sheet maker you know

[tropic jolt]

we've reached the last layer of the abyss at this point

[slate folio]

Not surprising

[severe mist]

They're waiting to release the update until 1.4.5 releases so that 1.4.5 will immediately break it, so that people will be so excited, and then immediately be upset that they have to wait even longer for everything to have to be updated for the new Terraria update.

[slate folio]

Once the SSO rapture happens, may Orios be left behind in an eternal state of waiting for SSO even after its release, so they may bask in their own madness, drowned in a purgatory of their making.

ploo

[buoyant pulsar]

silksong news style

[lean relic]

Lmao?? 😭

[tropic jolt]

silksanity ended but seasanity is forever

[agile latch]

painting..

if theorios user is fine with it.. it could be one

with the new amidias design

[snow moth]

makes sense, I've been driven to insanity realizing how many goddamn small pieces there are to it every single day

[slate folio]

Endless cycle of remaking old things

[snow moth]

not endless actually!

that's one of our rules

if you rework something it has to be final

[tropic jolt]

average day in the life of managing a 10 year old codebase built on top of a 14 year old codebase

[slate folio]

It's even already begun happening with sunken sea rework stuff in terms of sprites

[snow moth]

i cannot control art direction with an iron fist -- history indicates that doesn't really work

[slate folio]

I see you guys are trying to take action against focusing too much on remaking stuff

At least that's good to hear

[snow moth]

but as far as mechanical / programming stuff goes, yeah, what I said holds

if it hasn't, then that's a team failing

we should not remake something, then decide it's not good enough and remake it again

that is wasted effort

I know that multiple artists are carefully paying attention to and trying to make sure we don't make assets that we know will be replaced later

so, same logic

[slate folio]

This means we're not getting sunken sea overhaul overhaul in 2035 💔

[snow moth]

yeah, we are definitely trying to avoid endless rework loop

and I think we are mostly succeeding!

[buoyant pulsar]

please. please make the amidas image a painting.

[snow moth]

one of the other things to note about "Rework Hell" is that it is finite, the number of things reworked in SSO is a significant portion of the entire goddamn mod

[lyric trellis]

DoG so bad rn it's breaking the rules to be reworked in sso

[snow moth]

^

[slate folio]

This is gonna be like

[snow moth]

we came together as a team and agreed DoG was so horrifically awful that it had to be reworked sooner

[slate folio]

the biggest update in the history of calamity right

[pseudo vector]

easily

[snow moth]

and I think it's OK to break the dev team rules, if the whole team agrees it's needed

[misty wren]

yeah

[agile latch]

the only ones that have been remade

are like

the ancient moldy guys

and jellyghoul, that tobias suggested improvements to fit with the more final timeless shores

[slate folio]

Tbf I thought the old jellyghoul was boring

[pearl sentinel]

actually wild

[lyric trellis]

Non-final rework required so that the mod's biggest boss isn't a total embarrassment is funny

[pseudo vector]

and now DoG is like

probably the boss i enjoy the most

[rich ginkgo]

there's no way it's really this good

[slate folio]

Sorry to ask again but

[rich ginkgo]

everyone who's fought it says it's like

[slate folio]

Is he no longer laggy as hell

[rich ginkgo]

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