calamity-update-talk

[vivid hemlock]

oh right maxi was revived

[potent scroll]

Also if nameless would be canon then Xeroc would has no chance agains the Terrarian, Nameless gifted a lotus to Solyn and the Terrarian, and if you click on it you become immune to damage and the projectiley just go past Throught you

[hushed hazel]

i suppose xeroc might be a bit too old for it to make sense but in theory couldn't this guy have an ancient painting of them from before they ascended or whatever

[earnest jewel]

Invisible, suffering from the Phantom Pain.

[modern jolt]

Well evidently there were also human versions of the guardians, right?

[lean relic]

Actually pre ascension from might appear in cutscene future

Remember the fry's Jesus Cutscene?

[valid crypt]

Wait maxi was kiled

[earnest jewel]

I don't recall that being in Wrath of the Gods.

[vivid hemlock]

uhmm

[valid crypt]

Yes

[quiet spade]

I asked for that as an idea

[dry whale]

YOU killed me

smellon gun

[vivid hemlock]

maxi just randomly said she was revived

[valid crypt]

WHAT

[quiet spade]

We need Jesus Christian in calamity canon

[valid crypt]

HUH
0h the sscls thing

[potent scroll]

You get this if you collect every book and talk with solyn at the Garden

[dry whale]

yeah you killed me

with a gun

[modern jolt]

It would be sick af to see art of what the human versions of the guardians and Providence looked like

[dry whale]

that throws melons

like a melon gun

[valid crypt]

Yharim blends him into a fine paste prob

[potent scroll]

"True ending"

[earnest jewel]

Jesus Christ, not Jesus Christian. Jesus Christian sounds like the name of a guy from Latin America.

[stiff light]

covers ground with spikes

[valid crypt]

@summer shore

[earnest jewel]

Still doesn't explain how you plan to kill a guy who controls the sun.

[vivid hemlock]

i mean we are getting art eventually for pre ascension providence

[valid crypt]

Yo?

[modern jolt]

Oh shit fr

That's cool

[dry whale]

go lesbian

[quiet spade]

I was joking man, don't talk to me like that or else I'll cry

[vivid hemlock]

we just dont know when

[stiff light]

🤤

[quiet spade]

[quiet spade]

Finally burning tree reference will get a redesign

[vivid hemlock]

burning tree?

[valid crypt]

Pre ascension wont be in the game

[vivid hemlock]

also yeah what melon said

[quiet spade]

In the Bible, God appears as a burning bush

[vivid hemlock]

uhmmm

[potent scroll]

If we was able to kill the avatar of emptiness then sure we can Beat him too

[dry whale]

unless historian guy becomes a reality

wait wasnt the guide a historian

[vivid hemlock]

what does that have to do with providence

[valid crypt]

Tru

[vivid hemlock]

the guide is a dude

[earnest jewel]

Do you understand how hard it is to kill a guy who CAN CONTROL THE ENTIRE SUN!

[quiet spade]

I have a TP

[lean relic]

Best thought about this is
They will make art appear in cutscene to show like how and what happened

[valid crypt]

AoE is like
An entire universe no?

[quiet spade]

And create black holes with it

[earnest jewel]

What?

[dry whale]

no he's like the nd of a dead universe iirc

[valid crypt]

Xeroc and nameless are not
The same

[earnest jewel]

Also, I can't find anything about an invincibility lotus in WotG.

[quiet spade]

What

JESUS CHRISTIAN CANON

[quiet spade]

But

If you can control sun

...

[valid crypt]

Xeroc is the sun god
Nameless is God and also not canon

[dry whale]

sun cannot create black holes

that needs a bigger star

[earnest jewel]

Hey look Gary, it's me!

[potent scroll]

Watch a vid about "true ending" nameless creates it Infront of us

[quiet spade]

If you can create star you can create blackjoles

[dry whale]

xeroc doesnt create stars

[lean relic]

Calamity slowly becoming story mod

[dry whale]

they control specifically the sun

[quiet spade]

HOW NOT

[potent scroll]

Always has been

[dry whale]

and stars arent the same in cal

[heady shoal]

Hey what mods do I need to get the nameless deity to work?

[valid crypt]

Stars in calamity are the fallen stars item but in space

[quiet spade]

I literally saw how he tried to kill me with one

[vivid hemlock]

also like the calamity sun is nothing like irl stars

[dry whale]

and sun isnt a normal star in cal

[dusk bronze]

#calamity-addon-talk

[heady shoal]

Oh sorry

[earnest jewel]

Wrong channel, but Wrath of the Gods.

[dry whale]

stars are Big Mana Balls

[potent scroll]

Wrath of the gods, also install Hunt of the old gods next to it

[valid crypt]

Im burning this chat goodbye

[vivid hemlock]

calamity sun is just a moon sized ball that produces and is full of (primordial) light

[quiet spade]

Okay sorry I was a bit off topic

[dry whale]

and the sun is a Big Primordial Light Ball

[quiet spade]

Please continue

[earnest jewel]

Hunt of the Old Gods is not needed to fight Nameless Deity.

[lean relic]

melon gun I'm sending yharon to attack you

[dry whale]

no thats it

stars are big mana balls

[valid crypt]

[quiet spade]

[dry whale]

and they probably dont generate black holes if they explode

[quiet spade]

Yes ma'am

[modern jolt]

Is the implication from Draedon talking about exploring the moon that we'll get an update in the future that lets us go to the moon

[quiet spade]

I get it

[potent scroll]

Its fun add on for Wrath of the Gods

[valid crypt]

No

[vivid hemlock]

no

[earnest jewel]

No it's not.

It's an addon for Calamity.

[quiet spade]

You're taking it too far

[valid crypt]

The distortion is more interesting

Then the moon

[dry whale]

but you also have the god of emptiness who maybe could make something similar to a black hole

maybe

[quiet spade]

Wait

[earnest jewel]

Well that NERD is DEAD!

[valid crypt]

Shakidou

[dry whale]

true....

[quiet spade]

This is more lore but if the sun is a big o ball of primordial light

What are blckholes

[earnest jewel]

Probably the same as in real life.

But haven't been brought up in the lore.

[dry whale]

blackholes are uuuuuuhhhh

probably what water said

[valid crypt]

We dont have any info on black holes in cal

[quiet spade]

Draedon is not researching enough

[valid crypt]

So yeah what water said

[dry whale]

draedon's ass cannot even reach the moon

[spark kiln]

ball of primordial dark

[valid crypt]

Its 1887 and the guy broke thermodynamics give em a break 💔

[modern jolt]

ig it's true, space travel hasn't been invented yet

[lean relic]

About that
Let's check the Macrocosm
-# spoilerous

[modern jolt]

Except exploring other universes has

[quiet spade]

He can create planet destruction machines but not guess what is a black hole

[dry whale]

huh?

[earnest jewel]

No space travel because Moon Lord scary and Astral Infection scary.

[dry whale]

treu

[potent scroll]

Wait, Draedon is not in another planet or he was able to do that?

[valid crypt]

Planet destruction?

[valid crypt]

Draedon is from this planet

[earnest jewel]

What?

[valid crypt]

And is a robot

[dry whale]

draedon alien is old lore

[valid crypt]

Being from a different planet is outdated by like 3 years

[potent scroll]

OH

[lean relic]

He haven't reached outer space yet

[quiet spade]

He was born to study the planet and it's creatures

[earnest jewel]

And WAR!

[quiet spade]

Astrum aureus?

[modern jolt]

Is this mod any good btw?

[earnest jewel]

That's not from space.

[dry whale]

no he was born to study

study what? everything.

[modern jolt]

I've heard a bit about it and it sounds really fucking cool but I've never checked it out before

[potent scroll]

i thought draedon far more advanced in technology than this 😔

[earnest jewel]

Moon Lord is scary.

[dry whale]

dude it's not even the XX century

[earnest jewel]

Astral Infection is scary.

[quiet spade]

It was made to go to space

But got infested

[earnest jewel]

No it was not.

[quiet spade]

Am I wrong

[earnest jewel]

Yes.

[quiet spade]

I'm wrong

[earnest jewel]

It was made to survey.

Like battlefields.

[dry whale]

aureus is a research bot

went to research astral infection after it landed

[quiet spade]

And why is it infected

[dry whale]

and

got astral'd

[earnest jewel]

Because Astral Infection does that.

[valid crypt]

The astral spread over it

[dry whale]

it was sent after the meteorite landed on earth

[quiet spade]

Oh so it got infested after the star landed from the sky

[dry whale]

beacuse yk draedon is actively doing shit while we kill piggy

[quiet spade]

[earnest jewel]

Piggy isn't canon. :(

[potent scroll]

Fuck you astral infection

LEAVE MY SNOWBIOME ALONE

[halcyon seal]

The military industrial complex - 1
Yharim - 0

[quiet spade]

Always the snow biome

[dry whale]

fuck you

astrals your snow

[quiet spade]

Bro is in 1800, leave him alone

[quiet spade]

Why me

[earnest jewel]

1887. With Skeletron Prime.

[quiet spade]

Ayumi what's wrong m8

[potent scroll]

Like seriusly 😔, infect the area around the dungeon instead please

[quiet spade]

In the first time I didn't got my snow biome infected, it was the corruption who took it

[dreamy raven]

you will be not at all suprised at how my wrath of the gods playthrough generated

astral infection went RIGHT next to my base

[halcyon seal]

Astral always spawns directly over the hallow

[potent scroll]

For somehow once i got astral infection on the spawn point (middle of the map)

[halcyon seal]

Like ALWAYS

[lean relic]

I'm sick, time to throw infected star - deus, probably

[quiet spade]

Me at the just SIDE OF IT

Draedon made the astral infection to bother me for the eternity just for calling him useless

[potent scroll]

We love stacking biomes ❤️

[quiet spade]

NO.

[halcyon seal]

Yeah yk the 1800s

Railroads

Animatronics

Britney Spears and Charlie Chaplin

[modern jolt]

Interdimensional voids

[earnest jewel]

The civilian consumer.

[potent scroll]

A dont know this Draedon was who created astral infection

[modern jolt]

I could be fooled into believing it was the late 1800s

[quiet spade]

Bro Freddy fazbrear was just being born while at the other side of the world an army of dragons was being murder

[hard copper]

They should make it generate with the planetoids on world gen imo, so it doesnt generate on top of stuff

[dry whale]

wait what

guys draedon didnt create astral infection

[halcyon seal]

That sounds like a very bad idea honestly

[quiet spade]

-# (it didn't)

[potent scroll]

I see..

[earnest jewel]

Draedon did not create the infection. How could he?

[dry whale]

nah

[earnest jewel]

It's literally from space.

[dry whale]

astral infection is like

a star and asteroids

[earnest jewel]

It's a rotten star.

[kindred fjord]

I think they should forget about all other world gen and just have the entire world generate as the lowest layer of the abyss 🤑

[quiet spade]

Calm down, I made that up to call draedon useless machine

[dreamy raven]

you know what a worse idea is? yknow, one that was actually implemented? on for the worthy, theres a cobalt planetoid. you can get cobalt. pre boss.

[dry whale]

yeah beacuse thats ftw

[lapis oak]

because that's FTW

[dreamy raven]

you already have molten armor.

[dry whale]

still, it's ftw

[lapis oak]

because that's FTW

[dry whale]

random shit just tends to happen

[quiet spade]

I really need to go to the bathroom, this war against world generation is too much for me

[earnest jewel]

Can't you get Hallowed Bars post Evil boss?

[quiet spade]

Don't do something crazy

[dry whale]

to a lesser degree than gfb

but still happens

[hard copper]

In gfb yeah

[dry whale]

in gfb

[dreamy raven]

what.

[modern jolt]

You can get Luminite pre-ML in gfb lol

[dry whale]

EoW just drops light disks

[dreamy raven]

WHAT.

[modern jolt]

It's really stupid but you can

[dreamy raven]

;-;

[hard copper]

Eater of worlds drops light discs, which you can shimmer into hallowed bars

[dull heart]

aureus drops astroid staff

[lapis oak]

joke difficulties

[dull heart]

which shimers to luminite

[real axle]

Moonlord is actually not mandatory in gfb iirc

[potent scroll]

If you use the for the worthy or other secret seeds its will always generate the same map or its changes?

[dreamy raven]

wha- AREUS???? WHAT???

[lapis oak]

doze u actually set on Cosmic Guard for Mechworm?

[dreamy raven]

i know drunk world always does it differently

idk about others

[modern jolt]

Oh yeah, Asteroid Staff is being removed in SSO right?

[lapis oak]

yes

[modern jolt]

So you won't be able to do the Luminite sequence break anymore in gfb

[real axle]

yeah

[potent scroll]

If its does then i will try the secret seeds too

[halcyon seal]

Ftw has that because it’s never meant to be serious

[dull heart]

i should remove cobalt from ftw

[dull heart]

yes

[lapis oak]

awesome!!

[quiet spade]

Remember how I almost got banned

[potent scroll]

Sure lol

[dull heart]

ftw doesn't need cobalt planetoid that should be a gfb thing

[dreamy raven]

i seriously played legendary mode infernum before i became sensible

[lapis oak]

worm is big 😆

[dull heart]

or remix seed

[earnest jewel]

Add Uelibloom to GFB and remove it from everywhere else.

[dreamy raven]

agree

[dull heart]

but probably gfb

[quiet spade]

Make uelibloom an ad on

[agile latch]

Considering gar won for this one.. what should be the fish for the upgrade (early hardmode, sulphur sea one)

[lapis oak]

Early hardmode

Sulphur will overlap with Acid Rain tier 2 and AS no?

[quiet spade]

Late prehardmode

[agile latch]

Its for acid rain ye

[quiet spade]

There's a lot of whips in early hardmode

[agile latch]

Tier dos

[dreamy raven]

wait... does this mean i finally DONT need to use catalyst mod when playing summoner?

[lapis oak]

oh I read that wrong

[earnest jewel]

A bunch of piranhas biting each other's tails.

[lapis oak]

my bad xd

[agile latch]

Well technically

[hard copper]

With out any additional changes, yeah I agree it wouldnt work. But nerfing the enemies and removing/reworking the ground based ones, as well as making the planetoid lab into an astral lab, and moving aureus to pre hardmode, I think it would work better than it does now.

[agile latch]

That whip is

The catalyst one..

[quiet spade]

Tier dos, hilariante

[dreamy raven]

oh

[agile latch]

But its getting massively revamped

[dull heart]

playing catalyst is just a nerf to summoner tbh

except for intergel

[agile latch]

[dreamy raven]

i want post moon lord whips though :(

[agile latch]

New sprite, new name, hopefully new visuals and function too

[lapis oak]

a that whip

[quiet spade]

Nooooo another 5 years

[lapis oak]

I see

[agile latch]

Otherwise the upgrade will be much more boring than the base version

[dull heart]

too bad kalei is better than all of them

[agile latch]

[halcyon seal]

I mean I just don’t think it fits very well honestly?

If anything I’d move astral infection up to post 3 mechs tbh

[agile latch]

Going from a whip with interesting movement and cool visuals to whip that shoots 1 skull projectile

[modern jolt]

Since you guys want to add post-ML whips, I assume Kaleido is getting super nerfed right?

[dull heart]

kaleido is getting super nerfed anyway

[modern jolt]

Yeah that sounds about right

[dull heart]

regardless of other whips

[modern jolt]

Kaleido is insanely OP

[quiet spade]

Why? I'm playing cal + cat because of the summoner class and this comment worries me

[halcyon seal]

Whips are losing multiplicative tag right

[dreamy raven]

what.

[halcyon seal]

Yeah so funny thing the game doesn’t tell you about

[dull heart]

catalyst whips are weaker than kaleidoscope and morning star are

and catalyst nerfs snapthorn

[halcyon seal]

Calamity’s whips are multiplicative damage

Not additive

[lapis oak]

some still gonna keep it

[dull heart]

yeah

that's why kalei is so broken

[halcyon seal]

This is to my knowledge communicated nowhere in-game

[quiet spade]

I'm early hardmode already, does it counts?

[dull heart]

it's likely those all go just to crit

[lapis oak]

I see

[dull heart]

at that point it's fine

and you can just choose to use kaleidoscope for the whole game once you get it

[hard copper]

Kalei and morning star getting crit and multiplicative tag is pointless and funny

[quiet spade]

I can just play along

Let me remember what was kaleidoscope

[modern jolt]

Assuming that the Alligator Gar could be construed as a pseudo-reference to Trashers, which are a big part of Sulphurous Sea and will presumably be a much bigger part of Acid Rain in HM, the next logical step to me would be to make the HM whip a Sulphron or smth adjacent to it

[vivid hemlock]

well

[quiet spade]

This dude made a research and everything

Take your medal

[modern jolt]

What can I say, I'm obsessed with this mod and all my serious ideas are peak

[vivid hemlock]

dumpster (acid rain t1 trasher miniboss) wont really change much in tier 2, and trashers will stay the same after hm aswell, so it wont become a bigger part of the event

and sulphrons are tier 3

[quiet spade]

I have ideas but they're just about more lore

I really like storytelling

[potent scroll]

"Destiny is for the weak" 🔥

Also acid rain feels kinda too rogue exclusive

Its not worth to Farm it if you not play rogue

[halcyon seal]

Toxicatfish are underrated as hell imo

And they’ve got the little whiskers

[modern jolt]

Truth nuke

[halcyon seal]

Cmon it’s perfect for a whip

[cinder hearth]

Orthocera shell, sulphurous armor, nuclear rod

Rusty beacon prototype

[halcyon seal]

…wow it’s all summoner

[cinder hearth]

Wait sulphurous armor is rogue for now my bad

[real axle]

It's turning into summoner armour?

[potent scroll]

Throught its Always been rogue, good to know this

[cinder hearth]

Flak toxicannon I guess

[cinder hearth]

No

I mistyped

It's rogue in general

[real axle]

Oh

[cinder hearth]

I got my wires crossed between sulphurous, and the exchange that's gonna happen between desert prowler and snow ruffian

[real axle]

Wires?

You mean like ?

[cinder hearth]

[potent scroll]

Lines u know

Uhhh

Nevermind here instead Yharon in cup

[brave star]

Nugget cup

🍗

[quiet spade]

Finally, we can confirm that Yharon is canonically the size of a wine cup

[dreamy raven]

wish yharon was actually that size so i could win the fight by squishing him under my foot

[quiet spade]

Why like that

Why not just swing swing and that's it

[dreamy raven]

it gets out my frustrations

[quiet spade]

[uncut breach]

Legit calamity leak

The next update will not have the “corenuke” feature from ultrakill

[hard copper]

[dusk bronze]

kinda close

[lapis oak]

CD did a bad job he didn't leak enough

smh

[vivid hemlock]

Kiri i know what you are.

[lapis oak]

wat

[dusk bronze]

vanillin what does this mean

[lapis oak]

🫧 🐠 ???

[dull heart]

This confused me for a hot minute

my brain accepted it as correct at first despite the fact that it's not correct because it saw new dog background and the right colors for some of his attacks

i now know how Tobias felt about scourge reconstruction

decently off from being right but close enough to give a heart attack at first glance

[dusk bronze]

true

[plush carbon]

I forgot about the cool ass background shatter for a second

[arctic cliff]

spinosaurus clearly

[plush carbon]

Front Gar

Gar Chomp

[ebon quarry]

gar are awesome

[brave star]

Gar are l o n g boi

[arctic cliff]

GAAARRRR!!!!!!!

[summer shore]

I have actually drawn two of em a while ago

Not drawing the other two though

(These were commissions

[modern jolt]

The commander has so much swag holy shit

[summer shore]

She got oneshot by a bebe

[dusk bronze]

lesbiabs

[pliant sparrow]

need that guy who rates effectiveness of video game armor to check that

[modern jolt]

So are the guardians canonically also female

[vivid hemlock]

ye3s

[summer shore]

True I need that

[dusk bronze]

yeah

[modern jolt]

That's kind of sigma

[dusk bronze]

also all of them are fruity in at least one way

[pliant sparrow]

i'd say the guardian's armor looks actually effective tho, except having no helmet but that's a design choice

[summer shore]

her hair is harder than any helmet trust me

[modern jolt]

So they really were a quartet of women who were all fiending over that Auric Soul

[halcyon seal]

Commander aurafarming like she not getting one tapped by superradiant

[pliant sparrow]

yeah of course, i just meant you might've wanted to draw their entire head rather than just cover it up with like some teutonic helmet or something

[summer shore]

She got onetapped by an auric katana in the rp

It's very funny

[pliant sparrow]

also known as metal box

[lapis oak]

Alt u smelly

eat fish

[summer shore]

Also I really liked her handsocks they ended up awesome

[valid crypt]

True i was there

[valid crypt]

One tapped by piss katana

[vivid hemlock]

this still scares me

[brave star]

Defender actually looks like kris if they went to the Lighter World

[valid crypt]

Also yo these in calmain

[brave star]

I never noticed that before, who’s that

[craggy aurora]

Wait were all 4 of them women?

Like the guards and providence

[valid crypt]

Yes

[dusk bronze]

girl squad

[valid crypt]

All guards are women and providence is well
A goddess
So a woman

[craggy aurora]

Girls night out we lowkey gotta kill a dragon

[dusk bronze]

true

[hard copper]

guardian defender = gatekeep
healer = gaslight
commander = girlboss

[summer shore]

Factual

[dusk bronze]

there was an in depth discussion about this with reb a while ago

[earnest jewel]

In the immortal words of Yharim; 'Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss, Godslay.'

[dusk bronze]

true!

[still bluff]

Yharim's motto

[wide wadi]

will this be the last dog rework or is there going to be 20 more after this

[hoary meteor]

If this is ragebait we rebel

[fathom girder]

yo no way guys

confirmed!!!

[wide wadi]

sure buddy

[agile latch]

amidias

after he gets raptured

(the zombies got him)

[brave star]

So wait that’s official?? And he’s supposed to look DRY????

Where did all the majesty go

[dusty tinsel]

Why does that one look like a mummified zombie seahorse 😭

[agile latch]

its amidias after he get his soul sucked by king clam

(so it is a mummified sea dragon/horse thing)

[brave star]

Amidas’ grandpa

[agile latch]

it do be using the old amidias design and sprite though, so the final one will look diferent

[brave star]

Will he look majestic after giving him his soul back?

[agile latch]

he will look the same

as before

[pearl drift]

im pretty curious on this but ive seen the ds redesigns going around and im wondering if as is going to get the same treatment or just remain a scourge

[agile latch]

what do you mean by remain a scourge? remain a worm?

but well ye aquatic scourge is getting a full redesign later, in another update to fit with DS desert scourge is still a scourge, the species just works diferent now

[pearl drift]

ic, thanks for answering it just popped into my head the other day

[dusty tinsel]

King clam can take souls????

[vivid hemlock]

the scourges will enter heaven soon 🙏

[agile latch]

that is his main thing

his pearl can steal souls

and empower him

[dusty tinsel]

King clam gonna take our soul 😔

[vivid hemlock]

king clam's purple right

[modern jolt]

Is there concept art for what King Clam would look like if he took an Auric Soul and locked in

[brave star]

Before he got his soul sucked out?

[modern jolt]

Can King Clam hit the Auric Soul Gas

[brave star]

God of Spirits

[dusty tinsel]

Auric rejection

King clam boss when instead of miniboss

[modern jolt]

Even though Cnidrion and King Clam's status as minibosses isn't changing, it sounds like the general idea of what a miniboss is IS changing, would that be correct to say?

[vivid hemlock]

sort of yeah

[modern jolt]

Cause even in vanilla terraria, miniboss basically just means "slightly strong enemy". Like, Dark Mage is a miniboss, but it dies in 5 nanoseconds

[vivid hemlock]

minibosses are becoming much more complex and unique from basic enemies, and some are even getting their own themes

[modern jolt]

and obv, Cnidrion always was a miniboss, but he was the most weaksauce shit ever

I for one am def excited to see minibosses be, well, "small bosses"

[vivid hemlock]

funny enough, cnidrion used to be a miniboss, then was demoted to being a strong enemy, and now its returning as a miniboss

[hoary edge]

nice

[modern jolt]

Is he not still a miniboss currently?

I assumed anything that had the MGR:R boss bar was at the very least a miniboss

and Cnidrion does have that

[hoary edge]

I don't have to encounter that horrendous dried seahorse everywhere ever

[vivid hemlock]

yeah its not rn

[modern jolt]

Either way it will be really cool to see these be actually meaningful instead of:
Seahorse detected. Deploying hammers.

Clam detected, deploying fists

[grave elm]

when is ravager rework dropping?

[vivid hemlock]

no one knows

[grave elm]

awwwwwwwwww

[buoyant pulsar]

what is the practical benefit of wing toggle again, genuine question

[distant raft]

you get to use wings

[hoary edge]

you can either use it as running boots or with wings

[buoyant pulsar]

i like all of these changes except for slagsplitter, i think it looks much better the way it is now. the shading is on point. also tbh i like current chalice better.

[dusk bronze]

most likely in the brimstone crags update

in like 2027

[buoyant pulsar]

why would i want to turn the wings off? so i can use both running boots and a good pair of wings that doesn't suck doodoo, if i want to use an extra slot for that?

[hoary edge]

so you can use different wings 🙂

[dusk bronze]

tracer wings are ass

[buoyant pulsar]

true

[hoary edge]

for example, you want to use celestial starboard but you also want to use the tracers
you can just turn the tracers into just a running boots

[buoyant pulsar]

so its literally just like, if you reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally want to use boots instead of hexed branch for some reason, you can use up another accessory slot to still use your good wings and also have boots

[dusk bronze]

correct

[buoyant pulsar]

okay? i guess? but why is this useful

[grave elm]

what.

[dusk bronze]

wdym what

[grave elm]

no way im waiting 2 years

[buoyant pulsar]

why would i spend two accessory slots on good wings, and on boots that i don't even need cause my mount already does the job

[dusk bronze]

then code it yourself

[buoyant pulsar]

then you develop it

[hoary edge]

you are fated to wait even longer 🙂

the sunken sea update shall come first

[grave elm]

i was being sarcastic

[dusk bronze]

and like 4 updates after that

[agile latch]

sunken sea update september october (a little red bird told me)

[buoyant pulsar]

sunken sea update september october

[dusk bronze]

no shot you're getting it out this month

[hoary edge]

sunken sea update early 2026 🙂

[agile latch]

september october 2026

[dusk bronze]

true

[buoyant pulsar]

sunken sea update mid 2027 😄

[agile latch]

2028 release confirmed?

[vivid hemlock]

sso 2087

[grave elm]

[hoary edge]

I guess while I'm waiting for the update, I'm gonna play older version of calamity
bountiful harvest boss changes sucks absolute booty 🙁

also couple of run I wanna redo [like cosmic immaterializer tree only I did years ago] or come up with the new run

I don't remember which version I'm playing but I'm pretty sure it's from 1.4.3 or something

[modern jolt]

Well Wings also have stat bonuses, GRANTED, a lot of them are locked to wearing a specific set of armor

• Tracers wings are convenient, but they're def not the best

If a lot of wing bonuses were made general as opposed to needing specific armor, then it would more than make up for it

Also, being hard locked to only having Tracer wings to look at, even though I do like them, does get old after a while

ig you could use vanity wings but then I feel bad because I could just be using them like wings

[buoyant pulsar]

i don't really see the vanity thing

[modern jolt]

It's just not a good feeling when there's 15 pairs of wings you could be using, most of which I do like (and most of which are just better than Tracer wings), but I feel obligated not to because Tracer wings force you not to

Like, the luminite-tier wings are all cool as fuck

but you don't get to really use them unless you opt not to use Tracers, which isn't great

[lapis oak]

it's so people who use Boots + Wings don't stuck with Angel Treads the whole game

[summer shore]

What about a little red spider

[shell sapphire]

There is no SSO in Ba Sing Se

[vivid hemlock]

i eat babies

[modern jolt]

I sneed too much

[hoary edge]

I eat slimes 🙂

[frail tapir]

2030 ?

[hard copper]

i eat little babies ice cream

[frail tapir]

I ate too much chili

[modern jolt]

This is prob a broad question to answer but, given the overall biome expansion and overhaul of the minibosses and NPC interactions, how long would you expect to spend in Sunken Sea?

For me personally I always do enjoy spending at least a while there cause it's a nice feeling at the start of the game

[frail tapir]

That's a stupid question but I am just gonna say this, I Wil make base there if I want

[buoyant pulsar]

free will:

i just use hexed branch for ground speed

if you dash immediately before using it, it will be accelerated to full speed (depending on the dash you use)

and its very fast

[modern jolt]

tbf I have a weird relationship with mounts

[buoyant pulsar]

extremely useful for current dog

i bound my mount key to mouse4 and my dash key to mouse5

so i just hit both at the same time for a long dash

[modern jolt]

I see

[buoyant pulsar]

since hex branch has such high horizontal speed

[modern jolt]

I p much only use Onyx Excavator because most mounts just aren't very good for dodging literally anything and if I'm not using it for mobility, I want to get some use out of it

[summer shore]

But do you use onyx excavator with the backflip

[modern jolt]

tbh I should use mounts more, I've played relatively little of 1.4 where they added a ton of mounts

If anything, I almost feel inclined to say, Onyx Excavator is too good for me to want to use any other mounts lol

[summer shore]

https://youtu.be/JFWFN1Q2XRY?si=9eKntaY2fGK7a9bq

[modern jolt]

What the fuck

I thought you were joking

This is insanely based

[summer shore]

Unfortunately this is dying

[modern jolt]

Damnnn, this looks so awesome

[summer shore]

You can also backflip in place if you're on exo box or ufo

[modern jolt]

I think the only time in recent memory I can think of that I ever used any other mount was either Cosmic Car Key or Brimrose, and I exclusively used it for DoG's laser grid

[lapis oak]

make my thumbnail

[summer shore]

Putting you in The Frog ™

[lapis oak]

it's about neco arc intentionally getting burnt by Scal to deal damage

[dull heart]

boots and hexxed branch are very different

hexxed branch can't fly

boots boost your flight capabilites

[buoyant pulsar]

:p

[misty wren]

hexxed branch is really fast i like hexxed branch

[buoyant pulsar]

yeah i use hexed branch as a long dash and to conserve ground speed

also i use featherfall so i can stay in the air longer with hex

if i need to fly up then i just dismount

[dull heart]

boots boost flight time, horizontal accel, flight speed (sometimes they even double the power of movement speed when flying)

[buoyant pulsar]

obviously its different than boots

but i prefer it over boots

[dull heart]

so basically they just make you overall much more agile in the air

[buoyant pulsar]

the tradeoffs are more enjoyable and interactive

[dull heart]

hexxed branch is ground only

or well, grounded/falling only

[buoyant pulsar]

im used to not using boots so i don't really feel it lol

[buoyant pulsar]

consider: featherfall is op ✨

[dull heart]

that doesn't change that at all

it's still grounded or falling only just

slower falling

[modern jolt]

I might just be a basic bitch, but I can't imagine not using boots personally

They've always been such an integral type of accessory, even in vanilla

[buoyant pulsar]

yes it does. it conserves any upward momentum you already have

much more efficiently

[dull heart]

that's true i guess

[buoyant pulsar]

if you're already moving upward a lot then you stay moving upward for longer

obviously its niche and has specific use cases, but its fantastic for those usecases

[dull heart]

yeah

[buoyant pulsar]

what it lacks in verticality it doubles in horizontality

[dull heart]

i mean i use featherfall + pogo stick for that sometimes

[buoyant pulsar]

yuh

[dull heart]

or i did before pogo was gutted

double the vertical speed + featherfall is insane for verticality when combined with like, a hook

[buoyant pulsar]

featherfall is insane in general

i love it sm

always a musthave

[lapis oak]

some people just like using boots and still have good wings

I don't see the reasons for still keeping them stuck with Angel Treads

[modern jolt]

I mean I always upgrade to tracers no matter what because I love having boots, and they're definitely one of the largest upgrades you can tangibly feel (both progress-wise and stats-wise)

[dusk bronze]

[buoyant pulsar]

bobbit hook + featherfall my beloved

[vivid hemlock]

elysian tracers gaming

[buoyant pulsar]

you ever hear about bobbit hook + featherfall

[modern jolt]

No, can't say I'm familiar with that

Bobbit Hook is really awesome

I don't use featherfall all that often tbh cause it's really jarring to use in most cases imo

[buoyant pulsar]

i need a featherfall potion power hour where we discuss why featherfall is the greatest thing in the game

you can literally beat the game without accessories with just a hook and featherfall

imo the controls are extremely intuitive. just hold the button you wanna go.

[misty wren]

featherfall is goated enough that genuinely its like one of 2 things you need for min mobility

[buoyant pulsar]

min?

[misty wren]

minimum mobility runs yeah

[buoyant pulsar]

ohhhhh

makes sense

[misty wren]

its what i tend to do

its good enough that the singular potion and a hook can, in many cases, perform on par with wings

[halcyon seal]

idk how it took so long for people to realize featherfall was good

like NOBODY talked aobut this shit back in 1.3

[misty wren]

that was back before i actually thought about potions that much

[modern jolt]

Maybe I'm weird but honestly, so much more of my time in any playthrough is spent just exploring and gathering underground that I almost never have find a reason to use featherfall, cause it makes exploring slower

[halcyon seal]

it doesnt really tho?

[modern jolt]

Now I don't doubt featherfall can be very useful in a lot of bosses

but I just don't think about it

[halcyon seal]

i play with inf potions and i really dont feel the negatives of featherfall

you just hold down most of the time lol

[misty wren]

you hold s and you get normal fall speed

[halcyon seal]

it takes maybe 5 minutes to get used to

[buoyant pulsar]

if you never press down to fall faster then yeah lmao

[buoyant pulsar]

me too

but only cause i can't figure out how to turn it off lol

[misty wren]

well yeah the effect doesnt get negated if you dont press the button that negates the effect

[buoyant pulsar]

yeah

[halcyon seal]

also even if you dont use featherfall for slow fall

it still negates fall damage

which is really helpful in early caves

[buoyant pulsar]

true!

[halcyon seal]

no more building giant ass rope columns down

[buoyant pulsar]

calcium potion:

[modern jolt]

Maybe so, I usually make it one of my first priorities to just get fledgling wings

Or a horseshoe at least

[halcyon seal]

personally i ignore wings until angel wings

[dusk bronze]

skeleton merchant exclusive 💔

[halcyon seal]

i think fledglings are overrated as hell

[misty wren]

my guy

[modern jolt]

They're by no means as good as HM wings but wings are absolutely invaluable to have, even at their worst

[misty wren]

its cheap as shit to craft

[buoyant pulsar]

i was saying that featherfall makes calcium potion obsolete

[halcyon seal]

fuck it ill just say it, if not for wing stats id be using bundle of balloons on mechs

[dusk bronze]

when tf did they add the non blood orb recipe

[dusk bronze]

true

[misty wren]

1.4.2.101 (the version it was added)

[halcyon seal]

the fact that ancient bone dust exists is so weird to me

it feels distinctly out of place

compared to other materials

but like i cant explain why

[misty wren]

demonic bone dust died so ancient bone dust could idk die a slightly more drawn out and painful death

[modern jolt]

I don't do it anymore because starting in even just Expert Death mode it is completely unviable to do this, but way back in my early Expert Rev days, I would run Bundle of Balloons + Wings + Terraspark for Mechs lol

[dense needle]

they couldn't make it bone

it's like how thorium has smooth coal instead of just coal

[misty wren]

wait no they didnt even kill demonic bone ash

[halcyon seal]

honestly this build is probably pretty good if you just drop the wings lol

[misty wren]

why do they have ancient bone dust

[halcyon seal]

bundle, especially with featherfall, is absolutely crazy movement

[misty wren]

yeah bundle is goated

[modern jolt]

I have always highly prioritized mobility over anything, specifically fast mobility

[halcyon seal]

yeah so you can just use sandstorm with any half decent hook

grab like an amber hook from the desert or smth

[misty wren]

hell you could also just use sandstorm balloon and get very similar results

[modern jolt]

Maybe I've just never given featherfall enough thought

The next time I do a playthrough I'll give it a run

[halcyon seal]

it's easily the most broken potion effect in the game id say

[modern jolt]

I mean I don't diss featherfall by any means

It a very nice effect for, well, not dying

[halcyon seal]

(ok MAYBE spelunker is better in terms of pure utility but you cant even compare the two)

[modern jolt]

and there was a point where it was also p much the only viable way to reach sky islands without it taking fucking hours

[halcyon seal]

when were gravs added again

[modern jolt]

I mean gravs have always existed

[misty wren]

oh nvm they did its just not in public

[modern jolt]

Granted, they're a lot easier to get now

Back in the day they were pretty rare

[dusk bronze]

thank god

[modern jolt]

and you were unlikely to get the mats for them before going to hell, which by then sky islands were p much irrelevant anyways

(before they overhauled sky islands)

[halcyon seal]

i mean ig itd depend on how old we're talking

because REALLY old sky islands had starfury

[misty wren]

you mean really old as in the ones that are currently in vanilla or

[halcyon seal]

the old starfury

the one that used mana

[modern jolt]

I think the thing that always turned me off from wanting to use Featherfalling constantly was mostly that getting knocked back in the air is hyper cringe

[misty wren]

oh pre 1.2

[halcyon seal]

wait, that was a 1.2 change?

[dusk bronze]

yuh

[halcyon seal]

couldve sworn it was earlier when it was changed to melee

but ig not

[modern jolt]

but it has been a p long time since that was a big problem, so maybe I won't be as bothered by it now

[buoyant pulsar]

bat hook my beloved

[misty wren]

yeah 1.2 changed it to melee and 1.2.3 stopped it from getting magic reforges because they forgot to change that

[halcyon seal]

bat hook statistically takes several hours to get from goodie bags and also its nerfed in cal anyways

[dusk bronze]

that's post plant

[halcyon seal]

its like slightly better than a diamond hook i think

[modern jolt]

tbh I really wish hooks had more unique styles of movement to them

[halcyon seal]

they do

you just havent looked at them close enough yet

[buoyant pulsar]

wap <3

[halcyon seal]

a lot of hm hooks do

theres wacro

[dusk bronze]

wacro*

[modern jolt]

Do they? Most of them just do the same thing but have more range

[halcyon seal]

static and anti-gravity are two of the best hooks in the game

[buoyant pulsar]

WAP*

[misty wren]

no it isnt

[dusk bronze]

doze kill them

[modern jolt]

Static and Anti-Grav are cool definitely

[halcyon seal]

hook of dissonance i personally hate but its def unique

[buoyant pulsar]

you cant stop me from calling it wap

[dusk bronze]

it's reasonably post plant

[modern jolt]

I love Dissonance

[buoyant pulsar]

wet ass pack

[modern jolt]

By far my favorite hook bc it feels like a substantial upgrade from pre-HM hooks

[buoyant pulsar]

can't u not grapple fling with dissonance?

[halcyon seal]

dissonance to me is taking the thing you use hooks for and actively ripping it away from you

[misty wren]

bat wings are post plant bat hook is. a halloween drop

[buoyant pulsar]

thats a dealbreaker for me

[halcyon seal]

like hey what if we made a hook where you cant hook cancel off of it

so why am i using hooks

[dusk bronze]

i use hooks to stick to walls and ceiling

not turbo niche movement tech

[buoyant pulsar]

what......

[halcyon seal]

like its not just about the acceleration, it makes dissonance so much clunkier to use in bosses from my experience

[modern jolt]

That's about what I do lol, I would love to do hook flinging but it doesn't feel good to do it a lot of the time, at least from my experience

[buoyant pulsar]

in WHAT universe is hook canceling turbo niche movement tech...............

[halcyon seal]

also yeah like

[buoyant pulsar]

(unless ur joking lmao)

[dusk bronze]

do you think the average player is gonna do that

[misty wren]

fym turbo niche i figured out hookboosting from like the moment i got a hook in vanilla

[dusk bronze]

be honest

[halcyon seal]

i mean i feel like its a pretty basic observation to make

hook to platform

jump mid hook

[buoyant pulsar]

terraria is 14 years old literally everybody knows hook canceling

[halcyon seal]

boom you did a hook cancel

esp if you're playing modded terraria, you probably know this

[buoyant pulsar]

we're being honest

plus hook canceling is SO good with rails

[dusk bronze]

we might be falling into the xkcd trap of experts overestimating public knowledge

[misty wren]

no xzier

i figured it out nearly the moment i got a hook for the first time in vanilla

[modern jolt]

I will say I do enjoy using hooks for exploring

[buoyant pulsar]

you know what would be a good hook? one that autocanceled when you hit the tile u grappled to

[modern jolt]

but for bossing, I absolutely do not like using a hook

[dusk bronze]

your experience isn't universal

[misty wren]

i figure if i can figure it out most people can because im a fucking dumbass

[buoyant pulsar]

how many hours u got

[dusk bronze]

like 4k

[lapis oak]

no normal people do not use hook cancelling

[halcyon seal]

the terraria meta is second nature to us calcord members, so it's easy for us to forget that the average player probably only knows portal gun fall speed and golf cart ramming

[lapis oak]

that is not a thing majority do

[buoyant pulsar]

so you're telling me you've been playing for 4k hours and don't hook cancel

[dusk bronze]

and hoiking, of course

[halcyon seal]

of course

[modern jolt]

of course

[lapis oak]

of course

[modern jolt]

Everyone knows how to hoik into the temple

[misty wren]

maybe i had the opposite intended experience because i never learned how to hoik until like 1k hours in

[buoyant pulsar]

okay i don't think hook canceling is even close to as far down the iceberg. you literally just grapple and then press jump before you hit the thing you grappled

[modern jolt]

Well when did you learn how to do it?

[halcyon seal]

hoiking is pretty out of your way to learn

[modern jolt]

Like what year?

[dusk bronze]

there's like a 50% chance i do it for king slime and that's it

[halcyon seal]

i think i first learned it when i was on the 360 looking up how to kill dungeon guardian

[lapis oak]

never

[buoyant pulsar]

xbox 360 days

[modern jolt]

Yeah that makes sense, hoiking was not widespread knowledge during that era

[buoyant pulsar]

oh i thought u meant hook cancel

[modern jolt]

It was pretty obscure knowledge for a long time, even though it was possible for a very long time

[halcyon seal]

i remember that era when people said shadowbeam staff was the best weapon in the game

[misty wren]

early 2023 for me

[halcyon seal]

they were all wrong btw

razorpine was so much better

razorpine STILL crazy broken honestly

why do more people not use this weapon

[buoyant pulsar]

exactly. you literally just have to press space to hook cancel

[misty wren]

which is about 2 years after i first got terraria

[modern jolt]

Shadowbeam has always been kind of mid imo

[dusk bronze]

i remember when people unironically used the terrarian in non yoyo only playthroughs

[modern jolt]

Inferno Fork and Spectre Staff low-diff Shadowbeam

[halcyon seal]

ok we cannot be talking inferno fork

[misty wren]

as in like in cal or in vanilla

[dusk bronze]

both

[modern jolt]

I'm p sure Terrarian got nerfed because it was fucking insane when 1.3 first came out

[halcyon seal]

man god forbid the post-ml weapon be too strong

[modern jolt]

Like, Zenith-tier insane damage output

[misty wren]

ok in cal it was absolutely justified because the terrarian had scaled with melee speed and because before the melee speed culling melee had like a bajillion melee speed the terrarian was absolutely really good

[dusk bronze]

i discovered terraria like
almost exactly 7 months before 1.4 came out

[dusk bronze]

oh true

[modern jolt]

Dude, this convo right now is making me nostalgia-max

[halcyon seal]

remember holy arrows

[modern jolt]

Remember OG Water Bolt?

[buoyant pulsar]

"im lesbian"
"i thought you were terrarian"

[modern jolt]

That shit was stupid

[misty wren]

the pre melee speed culling era was truly a dark time

[halcyon seal]

i still grieve

[buoyant pulsar]

this might have been funny 7 years ago

[modern jolt]

Like, literally it was so broken it could easily keep up with late HM weapons in 1.1

Absolutely bonkers weapon

[halcyon seal]

actually insane how they moved meteor to post-evil and still nerfed space gun anyways

ABSURD levels of hating

[modern jolt]

LMAO

[misty wren]

cant say i dont miss it though

[modern jolt]

They nerfed like everything meteor related then

They nerfed phaseblades hard iirc

Space gun ofc

[misty wren]

i miss the good old days when summoner wasnt the best class

[modern jolt]

They fixed the infinite mana thing with Meteor armor

[halcyon seal]

i think my favorite era was when quick was broken as FUCK

+8% movement speed right

[modern jolt]

DUDE, omg

[halcyon seal]

god it was so fun

[modern jolt]

I forgot about that

[halcyon seal]

you just zoomed around the entire map

definitely deserved to go but man i loved it

[modern jolt]

That was a thing still when they added Asphalt right?

[buoyant pulsar]

relogic make quick +6% and my life is yours

[halcyon seal]

this was a cal thing

i think it was like

right before 2.0

[modern jolt]

Oh really

[halcyon seal]

very late 1.3 days

[misty wren]

just checked. nope they were entirely unchanged in terms of balance until 1.4.1 where they all got a 4 base damage buff

[modern jolt]

Really? I remember them nerfing some other stuff with meteor too cause in fairness Meteor-tier is just cracked in vanilla

[halcyon seal]

phaseblades have always been ass

[dusk bronze]

you could be thinking of calamity murdering meteor armor set bonus

[modern jolt]

Okay but phaseblades are sick af

[brave star]

Lesberrarian

[modern jolt]

It was every kid's dream to have the fucking cool lightsaber when you entered HM

[halcyon seal]

maybe 1.4.5 phaseblades

[halcyon seal]

no it was to have the sharanga

[dusk bronze]

tbh
i do not care for phaseblades

[modern jolt]

Oh tbf idk much about Sharanga

I never played Console terraria

[halcyon seal]

its just a busted ass molten fury

[modern jolt]

I feel like I missed out big time with that

[halcyon seal]

i think it had what was effectively shadowflame on its arrows

in an era before expert mode was a thing

[modern jolt]

I remember reading some of the stuff in Console terraria and even though now I know a lot of the stuff that it added was just reskins basically, it all sounded so cool

Like, Vampire Miner has crazy aura

[halcyon seal]

personally i fw console terraria because of the tutorial music

think it got reworked into morning rain in 1.4

[modern jolt]

What was Ocram like?

It always sounded cool being like the final boss in 1.2

Well... You know, before they added an actual final boss

[halcyon seal]

bad

never meet your heroes

they turn out to be eoc clones with ungodly laser spam

[modern jolt]

That's unfortunate

[halcyon seal]

1.1

final boss of 1.2 was golem

[modern jolt]

Wait really, Ocram was in 1.1?

[halcyon seal]

and then 1.2.4 came out and fishron was the kinda sorta maybe final boss?

[misty wren]

i looked at all the meteorite stuff
nah the only one that got directly nerfed was space gun from what i can tell

[modern jolt]

It might be happening again where I'm getting hit by the overwhelming false memory

tbf that shit was literally like over a decade ago

[lapis oak]

lock yourself up in a box and phasesaber Destroyer

[halcyon seal]

only if i get to dark artist enchant a dao of pow

[modern jolt]

I'm genuinely surprised I don't know of any mod that tries to make a Cthulhu boss based on the like super early concept art of the Cthulhu boss in vanilla

ig it's sort of unnecessary since Moon Lord is more or less a revival of that concept, and to be fair, ML is pretty grand as a Terraria boss

[quiet spade]

Yeah

[vale finch]

[agile latch]

not really of much debate

or well it was initially until the fated dificulty change thing

anyway ye its not confirmed (i said that when i mentioned it here), a lot of users agreed on it though but its missing a vote to make it properly formal

actually i will do the vote now i think.. get it out of the way

[proper raptor]

"724 - Added M1 Garand." PLEASE tell me they added the ping

[fathom girder]

they did

[agile latch]

it has the ping ye

[fathom girder]

Erm... I can't believe I'm gonna be difficulty locked like this if I want the cool stuff

Devs hate the players

cuh-LEARLY

[agile latch]

the beautiful dificulty selector that let you change from normal to expert in 1 second

i always found weird for cal to jand expert items, but still have stuff locked on rev only

[fathom girder]

Fabsol moment

[summer shore]

True we should move rippers to every mode

[tropic jolt]

grabs the rippers and crushes them with my very large hands

[fathom girder]

puts a g in front of the rippers

[tropic jolt]

I am not adding any other letters

[lapis oak]

ye having Rev exclusive but remove Expert from being exclusive is kinda

[summer shore]

Puts a photon in front of the rippers

[lapis oak]

weird

[summer shore]

Aren't they all related to rippers

[lapis oak]

no not really

[agile latch]

there is death mode exclusive stuff even

(they are vanity mostly though)

[lapis oak]

Laudanum 😭

[agile latch]

but it just seem like a persecution of vanilla

and expert

[tropic jolt]

what if the murasama was hardcore exclusive

[agile latch]

having new items (mostly silly little stuff) be locked to a separate dificulty is unnaceptable apparently, but having a entire new mechanic and items be locked to one is fine?

that why i think its like weird double standards

its like old calamity mentality of changing and stepping on vanilla sometimes for not much reason

(not saying all changes are bad, but some are ??)

they are just disruptive for no gain

[tropic jolt]

un-nerf boulders!

[cobalt wharf]

the only really sensible argument i’ve heard about it is not locking upgrades to the items in later difficulties

which is like sure, but also the most notable item would be like the amalgam which is not something you need at all

[dense needle]

yeah calamity's design philosophy really... needs to be worked out

[cobalt wharf]

or bloody worm scarf

[agile latch]

amalgam is dying anyway

with the evils 2 changes

and all the others i already went over and are easily fixable

• the dificulty selector

(if you want to make shield of high ruler just turn to expert, kill EoC, then return to normal)

[dense needle]

haven't the devs explicitly stated the reason for celestial onion is that "harder difficulties SHOULD NOT give you gameplay rewards"?

[agile latch]

rippers

[strong isle]

I don't think I've ever seen that specific argument being used for Celestial Onion

[cobalt wharf]

no this is just plain balance

[dense needle]

i thought it was in an official google doc

[cobalt wharf]

onion slot and master slot would be a nightmare

not a big nightmare but bad regardless

[agile latch]

🦈 wait does cal make demon heart also not expert only?

[strong isle]

There are very few, if any, official docs

[dense needle]

yeah

[tropic jolt]

I think accessory slots should be removed because they make the game too easy

[cobalt wharf]

i think this is the only one not changed

[tropic jolt]

armor only

[strong isle]

I remember there being an issue in making this work

[agile latch]

[hard copper]

I think its still expert only?

[dense needle]

it was like a "planned changes" type of thing

[lapis oak]

Shield of High Ruler is like, donor so that's out of the question really

[fathom girder]

I can kinda see why it was done- Fabsol most certainly had an ego, did he not? Assuming he called the shots for this whole thing at the time at least. I know he liked to "one-up" both other mods and vanilla itself

[agile latch]

so i guess shrimpy truffle being locked is horrible, but having a entire ripper mechanic and accesories toward it locked (to a even higher dificulty mode) is not because its calamity

[agile latch]

i heard.. from sources (but last time i checked on dev server it isnt really real)

the reason expert died is that people complained about malice locking the legendary items under it

so fabsol out of pettiness, hit expert too:

[cobalt wharf]

it’s another overreaction case yeah

[fathom girder]

Maybe. Legendary items were then made to drop from everything after people whined about it

[agile latch]

(idk if that is fact checked by the goverment tho, so take with a grain of salt)

but ye

[cobalt wharf]

cal seemed to do that a lot in 1.5 era

[agile latch]

but like malice sucked as a dificulty, that was the main issue

[fathom girder]

Like, first they were in malice iirc, and then people complained and they were later moved to be a rare drop from every enemy

[strong isle]

The general notion that birthed the current outlook is that difficulties shouldn't lock content
However, the current team has a handful of divergent opinions on the matter

[fathom girder]

and now they exist as normal weapons

[agile latch]

the rippers

[dense needle]

that makes sense

[agile latch]

i guess because its calamity, its fine?

[fathom girder]

imo, difficulties can lock items and such, but they should be mostly vanity at the stuff that's determined to be way too hard for any reasonable person to do

[agile latch]

(rippers are even worse than expert items, that outside of stuff like SoC are mostly just side stuff)

[fathom girder]

like say

[dense needle]

conflicting opinions lead to a garbled design philosophy

[strong isle]

I personally think difficulty-locked content is fine and we shouldn't change vanilla unless it is deemed necessary or greatly beneficial

[fathom girder]

new malice DoG, given how Doze has hyped it up

[agile latch]

yea

its disrupting vanilla for not much gains

(if any gain at all)

[strong isle]

Not really
It usually leads to a compromise, which ends up being a half-measure for both sides

[agile latch]

and we dont even follow that mindset for our own stuff

[dense needle]

i... disagree

[fathom girder]

This idea comes from how games like d2 do things

[brave star]

What is the Glass Godlet

[agile latch]

but yea hopefully the vote pass, considering we are even having stuff be made with it being expert only in mind

(the scourge bags)

[fathom girder]

Where the really bs content only grants cool looking things

[brave star]

Is it a lore related person?

[strong isle]

Garbled design philosophy is more often caused by lack of discussion

[fathom girder]

that don't actually do anything that would be unfair to those who can't beat the bs

[strong isle]

No

Not Cal related

[cobalt wharf]

i do get mad when a game locks content behind a super annoying difficulty but also expert is like first playthrough level

[agile latch]

yea

[brave star]

The 14th letter of the alphabet added with the letter H

[fathom girder]

Again, I'd say that if the content at the actually super annoying difficulties is simply vanity

it's just a flex

[agile latch]

its not like malice

i assume tbf most people play on expert too