calamity-update-talk

[modern jolt]

I'm under the assumption that a lot of ideas present in WotG were "official" ideas, but made by another person. I'm also led to believe the reason that there's a discrepancy between them is because Fabsol got very angry about it existing. Now that Fabsol is out of the picture, what is the general consensus on the existence of WotG?

[valid crypt]

Dont…

[dreamy raven]

its fucking painful
i spent 5 fucking hours on nameless deity attempts
i didnt even get it to half health

[kind tinsel]

abysmal dogshit

[dreamy raven]

(this is probably just a skill issue)

[azure oak]

the ideas in WotG are completely disconnected from anything in calamity

[pseudo vector]

nnnnno

[azure oak]

which is why noxus got replaced

[royal garnet]

wotg is increasingly its own thing and any connection to calamity is old lore

[azure oak]

iirc wotg is becoming standalone also

[modern jolt]

I see

I was clearly misinformed then, I wanted to verify just to be sure

[dreamy raven]

do it

[azure oak]

why would they

[modern jolt]

I do find some of the ideas that WotG poses really awesome, especially having much more story-oriented elements in-game with like NPC sidequests and stuff

[dreamy raven]

yes

[modern jolt]

I have read that Calamity plans on doing smth kind of like that, which I'm excited to see more of cause it's kind of sick

[azure oak]

DS is already getting an overhaul next update so there's no point in keeping the infernum version

[royal garnet]

then play wotg

[dreamy raven]

DS is PERFECT what the FUCK are you talking about >:(

[vivid hemlock]

no

[azure oak]

DS is becoming the lizard

[vivid hemlock]

pre sso ds is very far from perfect

i actually kind of hate it

[royal garnet]

me when most forgettable boss possible competition and my opponent is current scoog:

[lapis oak]

hello

[azure oak]

the lizard

[lapis oak]

my game just crashed and now I'm here

[dreamy raven]

no thats brimstone elemental

[dreamy raven]

nice

[royal garnet]

true

[torn kite]

I'd kill people for this guy

[royal garnet]

who wouldnt

[vivid hemlock]

current scoog is a worm boss of all time
its just a dune worm but its spiky and has mandibles, its made of sand and rocks, the spikes make no sense, and it doesnt make any sense in any story context

[royal garnet]

ye its the 2 most common modslop boss tropes combined

preboss desert worm

not any more stuff in it

[azure oak]

the generic worm is dead, long live the lizarb

[kind tinsel]

you gave tobias a heart attack

[azure oak]

[royal garnet]

and after sso 1 all the average calamity fans will ask y aqua scoog is just some worm when ds is croc

cabt wait for that..

[rare iron]

I think my most forgotten calamity boss ends up being crabulon

[vivid hemlock]

crabulon is a nothingburger yeah

gladfully its also on the list to be on the chopping block

[rare iron]

Mostly just because I tend to forget to fight him till post golem half the time

[royal garnet]

crabulon atleast is like on the second row of very soon reworked

in part 2

[modern jolt]

Crabulon is a cool idea but yeah it's basically just King Slime except mushroom-pilled

I hope to see Crabulon become an actually notable boss

[rare iron]

In the least whiney way possible I’m just excited for any update drop at all because I have two friends who don’t wanna play till the update is out x)

[royal garnet]

or basically any calamity boss for tgat matter

[uneven fractal]

cryogen

[modern jolt]

Providence is calamitygem

[royal garnet]

at least vanillamity is doing a rly good cryogen seemingly

the ice hunger is satisfied indeed...

[uneven fractal]

what’s that

[royal garnet]

A mod remaking calamity in terraria style

calamity if relogic made it

[vivid hemlock]

vanillamity providence 😋

[royal garnet]

vanillamity anything rly is very yummers

[dense sundial]

I wish this actually meant what chopping block normally means

Well, not very strongly or anything

[modern jolt]

I was also confused tbh cause I thought they meant just straight up remove it

[royal garnet]

imean if the fables devs are right about one thing is that calamity developers should be less scared to go on a content scrapping spree

[mystic eagle]

I don't think alot of content needs to be spread. It's just that there's not a whole lot of meaningful content besides the bosses

Luckily future updates seem to do stuff about that

[final pine]

oh my god please

[lean relic]

so people really wanted that feature
tbh it makes sense lol

[royal garnet]

Im not saying scrap scal or anything but if most people dislike smth and it isnt something integral for lore to not collapse then scrapping it is the obvious answer

not to disrespect the vision devs have for anything but gss is prime example

cool planned stuff are cool and all but gameplay wise it has no actual reason to exist esp when hm is already very bloated with content

[stoic wolf]

i havent fought ravenger in like the past 17 runs

[modern jolt]

Well for something like Crabulon, I actually really like the idea of it, and it's certainly unique given its nature of being p much exclusively an underground boss, it's just a bit underwhelming

GSS though is definitely the most extreme example

[stoic wolf]

i like what fables did to crabulon

[dusk bronze]

true

[modern jolt]

GSS is not a good fight, nor is it interesting, and on top of that it's actually a very annoying thing when you're trying to farm certain items during a sandstorm

Out of everything, it's definitely the one thing I wouldn't be displeased to see cut since its existence is solely just an annoyance

[vivid hemlock]

well gss is being completely remade

so its basically being removed so you can celebrate that

[dusk bronze]

🎉

[modern jolt]

I could see a rework of it being cool maybe

As it stands rn though it's p much just an ancient reminder of when deserts had Sand Tortoises and were fucking miserable to be anywhere near

[dusk bronze]

the last idea i heard for it was a carcass being controlled by a bunch of small ghost fish

[royal garnet]

yes i think trongle said it

[vivid hemlock]

and its not going to be a sandstorm miniboss

[prisma cipher]

Scoog

[modern jolt]

tbf I think GSS has potential to be a cool idea

[prisma cipher]

More like

Aquatic scoog

[dusk bronze]

everything has potential

[modern jolt]

HM Desert is somewhat lacking in aura when compared to what the other HM biomes have to offer

[dusk bronze]

except overloaded soldier

[royal garnet]

{insert potential man image}

[vivid hemlock]

gss will be promoted to underground desert/upper sunken sea miniboss

[modern jolt]

That's cool

[dusk bronze]

it will?

[royal garnet]

five. hundred. minibosses.

[dusk bronze]

nice

[modern jolt]

I mean honestly I'm happy with even just a miniboss existing if it fills a niche for a biome

[vivid hemlock]

unless something drastically changes yeah

[prisma cipher]

Will they turn gss into another crab

I want more crabs

[modern jolt]

Like, GSS is cool because it's a niche for Deserts, which are kind of just nothing in HM, but it's horribly underbaked

[royal garnet]

Crustenization

[vivid hemlock]

no 😊

[dusk bronze]

carcinization moment

[prisma cipher]

True

[modern jolt]

Same thing why I like Crabulon a lot tbh

[prisma cipher]

I love crabs

[modern jolt]

It fills an extreme niche

[prisma cipher]

Push the Hermititan agenda

[vivid hemlock]

crabulon if it decided to stay as a hermititan

[dusk bronze]

clad crabs shall rule the surface

[royal garnet]

My issue with all biomes in hm is because bosses encourage building arenas by the time hm hits esp with calamity all biomes are just

arena

[modern jolt]

I'd say I'm 50/50 about arenas

On one hand, I like the feeling of control you have when making some arenas, and often times it's not strictly necessary

but sometimes it's really bad

Yharon is by far the worst example bc without an arena, he is basically impossible, and you need an absolutely fucking ridiculous arena for him

and even if you didn't want it for Yharon, you'd then need it for Exo Mechs too

Out of every boss, Yharon could really benefit from a preset arena the most, because the setup time for that is by far the worst part

[dusk bronze]

honestly yharon is one of the bosses that needs an arena the least

[royal garnet]

heavy disagree

[modern jolt]

I have no idea how you would start fighting him without one

Vernal Pass is not even a fraction of the size you ideally want, and that's clearly meant to be for both Queen Bee and Plantera

[dusk bronze]

just

on the surface??

it ain't jungle exclusive anymore

[modern jolt]

That doesn't sound right

[vivid hemlock]

honestly i dont mind the vernal pass size

[modern jolt]

Are you sure?

[dusk bronze]

...yes

[vivid hemlock]

plantera isnt really difficult

[dusk bronze]

changed in 2.0.3

[modern jolt]

Since when have you not been forced to fight Yharon in underground jungle?

[vivid hemlock]

like a while

[dusk bronze]

never

[modern jolt]

Wtf

[dusk bronze]

underground was never required

why would you do that

[royal garnet]

Vernal pass arena is perfectly fine unless you try and use it against pbg

[royal garnet]

whar..

[modern jolt]

Didn't Yharon enrage when you went above ground?

[dusk bronze]

no????

bruh

[modern jolt]

I vividly remember there being a reason you don't want to fight him on the surface

If that hasn't been a thing then I've been living a lie

[dusk bronze]

that was never a thing

[modern jolt]

I know like for example if you went outside the walls, he would enrage and then You Would Die

I thought that also happened if you took him out of the underground jungle specifically

[mystic eagle]

That's the only enrage factor

And it's always been that

It's just that he used to only be summonable in the jungle

[modern jolt]

Okay ig I'm just stupid then, that's mb

[dusk bronze]

why would there need to be walls if you had to fight him underground

[modern jolt]

Okay nvm then this arena problem isn't that relevant for Yharon ig lmao I'm just stupid

[royal garnet]

it is as much as it is for dog

[dull heart]

no, but he did have an enrage if you flew too high above where you spawned him

that was removed

[modern jolt]

Okay, this is exactly what I remembered

I thought this was specifically an underground jungle thing

and that's why you wanted to build your arena insanely far underground and tall

[royal garnet]

between having 50 rows of platforms in the sky that break immersion in every playthrough and not then i choose not

[modern jolt]

tbf him enraging if you went too high was insanely fucking stupid

That's part of why I assumed you always needed a crazy arena for him

[dull heart]

I get why it was a thing but there was no indication of it

just suddenly he'd be mad

[modern jolt]

Bro omg

I spent hours just making arenas for that

I am actually so happy to know that isn't a thing anymore

[dull heart]

I'm not really sure how that changed the arenas you made tbh

since it was based on the height you spawned him at there wasn't really a reason to make an arena any different than you do now, except now you can make them bigger than you could before

[modern jolt]

I thought that the condition was specifically, if he left underground jungle he would enrage. There's some precedent for it bc Plantera and Queen Bee both do that also

So my thought was always to start from around Vernal Pass and dig a huge hole going up

[dull heart]

ah

[modern jolt]

Ofc it also needed to be wide enough to get the full distance between the walls, or you'd just get cooked

So it was a lot of work to hollow out

[dull heart]

wait yharon never even needed the jungle at the same time as Vernal Pass existing

[modern jolt]

Damn, fr

My ass def missed the memo hard then

This is what I get for never getting past DoG in like 2017 lmao

Stuck in the past...

[royal garnet]

tbh that was luck because eye scal

you were spared the horrors..

[modern jolt]

2017 DoG was really something you know

[royal garnet]

2025 dog is also something. That shit barely has improved

just changed

[dusk bronze]

@dull heart regail them of 2.1 dog

[dull heart]

next patch dog will go from being one of the worst bosses in calamity to potentially the best

[royal garnet]

im very aware and hopeful

[grave geyser]

thats 2026 dog not applicable

[royal garnet]

^^

[dull heart]

but considering they're a patron

[royal garnet]

imean in game

[dull heart]

They've probably seen the sneak peeks

[dusk bronze]

might be this year

[royal garnet]

i have. I just mean the in game public version

[dull heart]

auric tier patrons will definitely have it in game this year!

[modern jolt]

tbh I'm genuinely surprised

[royal garnet]

👀

[modern jolt]

I have a bad habit of being very negative when I play Terraria, my ass is very impatient

but I'm surprised, it seems like there's some things that are universally disliked, far more than I would've expected

Like, DoG isn't even something I dislike at all, I think he's pretty cool

[royal garnet]

[vivid hemlock]

dog is like an ancient enemy

[modern jolt]

Granted, my only issue with DoG that I ever had directly was the fact that in 2017, he was ridiculously hard (unless you used Rogue) so I got turbo cooked by him

[royal garnet]

that is gonna become true again with the rework considering the developer statements and all abt it being harder than infernum dog

Which 2shots you best case scenario

[modern jolt]

I'm all for that tbh

I love being challenged by Calamity (when the challenge has little to do with minions at least)

[royal garnet]

I love having fun

[modern jolt]

There's something really mystical for me tbh after having recently finished my first full playthrough of Calamity and getting to see the development in real time

Esp knowing that, that playthrough I did is prob the last time it's going to look like I remember before the next time I do a playthrough

[dull heart]

It's not harder than infernum dog

[royal garnet]

tbh mainly because of bad balancing i doubt I'll play calamity again until it's just fully a different thing

[dull heart]

unless you're on FTW

[royal garnet]

oh nice ftw should be harder than infr

[dull heart]

I have not yet managed to drop legendary death dog below 30%

[white aurora]

what

[dull heart]

and I've spent at least triple the amount of attempts on it I did infernum dog

Legendary dmg scaling hits HARD

I get oneshot even with adrenaline DR sometimes

[white aurora]

what the hell did you give DoG

[royal garnet]

good game design

[prisma cipher]

Legendary infernum dog type shit

[royal garnet]

(otherwise known as cocaine)

[dull heart]

Predictive movement on everything he does

in ftw

[royal garnet]

👀

[white aurora]

DoG kinda living up to the name in 2.1, not fully but that will be when he gets his new sprite

[white aurora]

horrific

[prisma cipher]

The horrors

[royal garnet]

as in he knows where you go or dodges attacks?

im assuming both since its everything he does

[grave geyser]

oh my god a boss that actively tries to dodge your attacks sounds so fucking awful that it loops back arround to being a fantastic idea

[white aurora]

yharim should dodge attacks

[royal garnet]

doubt its even possible in terraria code tbh

bosses just standing there and getting shot is a bit funny tho tbh

[brave star]

What sword does Yharim own now?

[azure oak]

big one

[brave star]

Sword named big one

[white aurora]

sword named biggest one

[fathom girder]

The big one

[white aurora]

his sword's name is Life Ender

[brave star]

Extremely dangerous, keep out of reach of children

Sounds like something Sid would use

[white aurora]

yharim is sid confirmed???

[azure oak]

what if yharim had a spear

[fathom girder]

What if yharim was a head and hands boss

[azure oak]

or maybe a halberd

[white aurora]

what if yharim was a worm boss

[brave star]

Sid changed his name to Yharim and moved to the location of his Godhood Rejection after being traumatized of living toys

[royal garnet]

fabsol plans leak:

[white aurora]

yharim would have like

empress ai

[brave star]

What if Yharim was a EoC boss

[neat field]

if yharim was a skeletron boss then we'd finally have more skeletron bosses than eye bosses

[fathom girder]

He'd be a moonlord reskin

[white aurora]

actually he'd have like queen slime ai

[neat field]

the war between skeletron and eye bosses is the greatest war of them all

[royal garnet]

yharim would be voiced by fabsol for no reason

[neat field]

of course worm bosses have already won but they don't count

[brave star]

No

[neat field]

yharim is voiced by cirrus specifically

[brave star]

Why?

[vivid hemlock]

yharim is fighter ai

[neat field]

yharim is cave bat ai

[vivid hemlock]

ravager is deerclops+golem

[white aurora]

yharim would have Tim ai

[brave star]

Mfw the Yharim just runs and jumps while having ridiculous ai

[neat field]

yharim should be a rune wizard/nymph/pinky/sand elemental/dreadnautilus/wyvern/tim hybrid

or something

[cunning sequoia]

everscream ai

[brave star]

What if Yharim was a Green Slime ai and relied on Yharon

[royal garnet]

yharim has so much spaghetti code the game needs to translate a copy of the illiad to Vietnamese every time he moves forward

[modern jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/true-patrick-spongebob-truth-nuke-gif-15777863855591434629

God damnit I keep forgetting this server doesn't allow embeds

[neat field]

yharim has target dummy ai

[azure oak]

yharim's weapon will have the handle of a spear and the head of a greatsword

[modern jolt]

The first time it was this server's fault, but this time it's my fault I'm so sorry

[white aurora]

and the odyssey whenever he jumps

[brave star]

What if Yharim was this:

[white aurora]

meowl

[neat field]

what if yharim wasn't even fucking real and when you beat him you wake up from a dream and realize that the

the

[brave star]

The adventure was fake and you had a JOB?

[white aurora]

a WHAT

[vivid hemlock]

hello neighbor plot

[white aurora]

[twin juniper]

Draedon simulation world 3D

[azure oak]

maybe the real yharim was the calamities we made along the way

[neat field]

i don't think calamity players have those

[brave star]

I do

[neat field]

yharim should be a pixel gun 3d map

[white aurora]

yharim is a slugcat

[royal garnet]

(Please stop saying slurs this is a public discord server)

[brave star]

That’s a slur?

[twin juniper]

Artificer specifically

[royal garnet]

The j word

[brave star]

Spoiler

Yharim rain

[royal garnet]

Rain yharim

[white aurora]

[royal garnet]

yharim entirely made of rain

[white aurora]

YES

[brave star]

Woe, Yham be upon ye

[neat field]

what if no yharim

[brave star]

Then no Clamity

[royal garnet]

what if yes yharim

[white aurora]

yharm

[brave star]

Steamed yhams

[royal garnet]

Germim🦠

[azure oak]

very oversized weapon

[valid crypt]

Yharim buffer and weapon bigger

[vivid hemlock]

twig

[azure oak]

an excuse to make the weapon's reach big without making the weapon comedically large

[dusk bronze]

looks too similar to xeroc's staff imo

[brave star]

Are we all cars typing things?

[azure oak]

the blade and handle are similarly sized and the shape is different

[tardy pilot]

are the mod will update soon?

[dusk bronze]

yes

[brave star]

Yharim would love holding big ass weapons

[azure oak]

the handle on xeroc's glaive is a majority of the weapon

[thorny glacier]

im confirmed to be a motorcycle

[dusk bronze]

update hopefully this year maybe not

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[tardy pilot]

i just cant wait anymore, im wait long enough

[azure oak]

sad but you're gonna have to wait longer

[thorny glacier]

me wait tired too but wait we must

[tardy pilot]

😔

[dusk bronze]

it shall be peak

[dull heart]

He predicts where you'll be

[thorny glacier]

understand?

capiche?

[prisma cipher]

Can you coil prediction dog?

It seems like you might be able to

[dull heart]

absolutely not

well

not for a long time

He's too fast

like in theory you can, I've gotten I think 3 or 4 loops before

[prisma cipher]

Too bad I’m spamming hook of dissonance

Now I coil dog

[dull heart]

too slow

[dusk bronze]

astral lash

[tardy pilot]

im not playing for half year, i tought the mod already update

[dull heart]

FTW death dog is a very tight fight

[flat rose]

feels like theres also some thematic symmetry with Yharim wielding the same kind of weapon as Xeroc

so it works

[tardy pilot]

i super hope soo, i hope my patience will be rewarding

[dull heart]

oh did I mention

[wide wadi]

what if xeroc has one park of the weapeon and yharim has the other so you kill both of them to make the god slayer weapon

[dull heart]

not being able to get FTW DoG below 30%

that was with me making him have double dmg taken on head and tail

I haven't survived a full minute

[flat rose]

uh

what?

[royal garnet]

First boss in history unable to get cheesed by circling around him

📰

[flat rose]

instantaneous bot oblivion

[grave geyser]

is it the same speed as current ftw dog

or faster

[dull heart]

faster

[royal garnet]

I hope faster

[dull heart]

it's 3x his top speed in death

[grave geyser]

ah.

slightly fast

[dull heart]

which I also don't remember if I changed or not

but either way he's very aggressive

[white aurora]

3x?

[dull heart]

thing is though dog doesn't actually have insane acceleration, so it takes about 10 seconds for him to reach top speed

If I want to nerf ftw dog his top speed is probably where I'd need to nerf it

[flat rose]

ftw dog is gonna literally run a train on us now with this speed & his size 💔

[royal garnet]

Nah

Resprite is coming way later

He has the same sprite as the one you know in next update

[dull heart]

the resprite will have an entirely different AI

current dog AI wouldn't work for it

[tribal isle]

wonder why

[azure oak]

sure do wonder

[thorny glacier]

now a god does fear death

[native thistle]

noodle

[white aurora]

i wonder if apotheosis will keep the old dog sprite or get reworked

when the new one comes

[valid crypt]

Depends on the dev its dedicated to i think

[royal garnet]

it would suck ass if it doesn't because its just some weird worm then

tho i imagine it won't be the big dog sprite

even if it would be funny

[uneven fractal]

terry n. muse

[wise bolt]

funny that you say

[brave star]

My stargod? Invoked

[wise bolt]

translating flat sprite into 3d hell. help

[brave star]

It’s definitely hard to pull off when you’re used to sprites looking 2d

Transforming paper flat bosses into 3d models

[valid crypt]

Then it depends on if terry wants it updated

[wide wadi]

fucking worm boss nooooo

[dense sundial]

Garfield are you srs or j

[wise bolt]

get rotated idiot

[wide wadi]

rotate it ok

[wide wadi]

they are and equals sign

[dense sundial]

Shoutout to bosses that are just abstract shape soups and don’t make any physical sense

[wise bolt]

truthnuke

[warm pulsar]

Relatable

[wise bolt]

ayye

[warm pulsar]

Yee
Exos my beloved 🥹

[wise bolt]

oh the horrors. wonderful designs but i don't know if i ever will draw then

theyre sick as though..

[warm pulsar]

Yeah Exo Mechs have sick designs, I love them too, but it is easy to get a few things wrong when drawing them

[wise bolt]

alas

[brave star]

am going to rotate u all

by 45 DEGREES

[uneven fractal]

my honest reaction

[dull heart]

woah how invoked

[brave star]

It'll be so deadly

[dull heart]

i finally think I know how I can make invoked stargod into a good fight and the answer is just

shorten him at some point

like make him shorter the more damage he takes or something

[wise bolt]

-1 segment
-1 segment
-1 segment
-1 se

[dull heart]

evil invoked stargod splitting like eow

[wise bolt]

getfixedboi special

[dull heart]

trying to code that would be a nightmare tbh

[valid crypt]

Invoked stargod gets as many segments as points of health

[wise bolt]

alas..

i think that many entities would kill my laptop

fat bastard going after not only my sun but my computer memory too

[valid crypt]

Its after stars not suns

[earnest jewel]

Sun is a nice change of pace, need some variety in that diet.

[dull heart]

Honestly

The 10k segments stargod only dropped my fps to like 30

from 60

[wise bolt]

invoked intestines

[valid crypt]

What the fuck

[wise bolt]

hes so fucked up .

[earnest jewel]

Easy boss for beginners.

[dense sundial]

entity cap is 200

[wise bolt]

ah

[dense sundial]

projectile cap is like 2000 iirc so i have no idea how this exists

[wise bolt]

worm projectile..

[dusk bronze]

that gave me a horrible idea

doze make the stargod mage drop apotheosis

but stargod

[earnest jewel]

Worm is one creature, thus one entity, obviously. That's how computer work.

[prisma cipher]

Oh no

[earnest jewel]

Copper Long Sword.

[prisma cipher]

Cursed

[dull heart]

It's one NPC

that's how

[dense sundial]

okay but how is it one npc

[earnest jewel]

It's one worm.

Just really long.

[dull heart]

it's one NPC with a list of Segments in it

[dusk bronze]

like jared

[dull heart]

The Segments are updated and drawn by the head

and then more NPCs are spawned and despawned for the segments closest to the player so they have hitboxes

Segment is just a class that stores the basic info (position, texture, rotation, velocity, etc)

[agile latch]

It dont though?

It lives in the sunken sea shores

[kind tinsel]

peat bog

[agile latch]

, this is also the freshest one

There will be 2 others that are much more rotten

Im unsure if it will be just a visual alt or part of the creature mechanic though

[fathom girder]

literally fish hell smh

[agile latch]

The mechanical ideia i had is that each time you kill a head, a second more rotten one appears (the head you kill get a ghostly appearance and is still there attacking you)you need to kill all 3 heads to defeat it

Or you can just hit the remains (body itself) which although much more tanky, it dont spawn more heads to attack you

[earnest jewel]

A hydra?

[fathom girder]

A ghostly fishy hydra

[azure oak]

fish

[wicked pewter]

Woahis that the vanilla item it's so pleasant

Also yah cool fishes tringle

[fringe quiver]

yueah t hats vanilla salmon

most people never find it because for salmon are. surprisingly rare. for some reason

you can only fish them up on like really specific circumstances??

[wicked pewter]

Salmon so rare, salmon so valuable, how will this impact the fish market

[fringe quiver]

ngl for most of my life i think i didnt even know terraria had salmon

[pulsar cobalt]

bodies of water with more than 1k tiles in forest

[fringe quiver]

and theyre like

not even a new addition

[earnest jewel]

Barely anyone does.

[fringe quiver]

im pretty sure theyve been here since 1.2

[wicked pewter]

Lmao???

[agile latch]

Vanilla has a lot of very enjoyable fishes ye

[earnest jewel]

Because the method to obtain them is very obscure and specific.

[pulsar cobalt]

1.2.4 (same as fishing introduction)

[agile latch]

I might try to make all calamity fishing fishes to fit well with vanilla

[fringe quiver]

please 🥺

[agile latch]

Already started on that for sunken sea

[wicked pewter]

Amen

[fringe quiver]

calamity fishes have really boring sprites ...

[wicked pewter]

Vanilla items are so nice sometimes it's crazay

[wide wadi]

Wait what about a mech fish that you fish out of the water

[agile latch]

Are they valuable

[wide wadi]

[agile latch]

Or just

Food item?

[fringe quiver]

i dont think

they even are

[pulsar cobalt]

no

[fringe quiver]

theyre literally just the same thing as a bass im pretty sure

[pulsar cobalt]

they sell for like 7 silver

[agile latch]

🥹

Why they are so specific them..

Evil

[pulsar cobalt]

and theyre only used for sashimi

[wicked pewter]

I feel like they wanted to make like a river in the forest or just something but never got around to it

[fringe quiver]

me when salmon have a really niche conditional for being fished up for literally no reason

[earnest jewel]

Realism maybe?

[wicked pewter]

They HAD to have plans

[fringe quiver]

it would make sense yeah

[wicked pewter]

They HADDD to

[fringe quiver]

bc salmon are river fish and that'd fit with the conditionals they need ...

[wicked pewter]

Yah

[fringe quiver]

triangle what if you made haunted chum drop salmon rarely

just so that calamity players now are slightly more likely to be aware of their existence

it'd be funny

[earnest jewel]

How would a river work in Terraria?

[fathom girder]

drops salmon only if you kill it via damaging the body

bam

you corrupt it too far if you kill it via the heads

[wicked pewter]

That why they never got around to it 🤫

[royal garnet]

hauntingly salmonious

[earnest jewel]

Seymour.

[agile latch]

It would be kinda weird though

[earnest jewel]

It'd be funny.

[agile latch]

Big salmon dropping small salmon

I did want to make him drop chum though

[earnest jewel]

It ate them, clearly.

[stiff light]

chum bucket

[agile latch]

He is the literal haunted chum

William chum

[fathom girder]

That would be nice

[earnest jewel]

An old chum?

[stiff light]

dropped plankton

[earnest jewel]

Purple Guy!?

[wicked pewter]

Can you adddd hey triangle if you're adding the chum bucket why don't you , heh, why don't you add the crusty crab next am I right ? !

[agile latch]

True

There do be crabs that are greedy..

And do trades..

[stiff light]

krabs......

[grave geyser]

triange should utilize dark magic to finish the entire mod in 10 nanoseconds

[agile latch]

They could have burgers...

[stiff light]

squidwar

[dull heart]

Chum bucket is already a thing in vanilla sorry

[fringe quiver]

It would be weird but that's what makes it funny

skeletons in vanilla drop steak sometimes

[dull heart]

so it's not our job

[fringe quiver]

or was it something else

i know something randomly drops steaks

[agile latch]

I know corruption creatures drop burgers

[wicked pewter]

Gregor samsa limbus company va voiced Mr krabs in the Korean dub can you make him called Gregor hey triangle hyeyyy what if the crab was named Greg heyyyy isn't that a funny name haha

[dull heart]

salmon isn't a direct food option

[agile latch]

I think skeletons drop milk

[fringe quiver]

yeah but it'd be really funny

[wicked pewter]

Sighhh

[fringe quiver]

haunted chum 2% salmon drop rate

[wicked pewter]

No fun allowed it seems ,,

[dull heart]

haunted chum should drop ice cream

[fringe quiver]

calamity players are now slightlyt more aware of salmons (the vanilla item) existence

[misty wren]

crab trap to spawn hermititans

[stiff light]

add salmon that drops haunted chum

[brave star]

Will there be spider crabs

[agile latch]

Make the player be able to grind salmon through extraticinator

To get chum

[brave star]

The beeg leg crabs

[stiff light]

chuminator

[wicked pewter]

That's like so meann

[fringe quiver]

bro 😭

[agile latch]

The chuminator, true

[fringe quiver]

the innocent salmon

[vivid hemlock]

salmon dust

[uneven fractal]

meat grinder exists

[wicked pewter]

THATS SO FUNNY

[fringe quiver]

when i need some chum buckets

[stiff light]

no fish is innocent

[brave star]

We should invite Tim Lockwood for some chum

[fringe quiver]

a pile of salmon's dust

[uneven fractal]

comma or not

[wicked pewter]

The rare ass salmon having this one interaction pleaseeee

[agile latch]

@molten grove can you make the salmon scream as it goes through the extraticinator

[agile latch]

Like the mushroom guys in remix

[fringe quiver]

BROOO 😭

[vivid hemlock]

😭

triangle

[fringe quiver]

IT WOULD BE SO FUNNY DUDE

[vivid hemlock]

this is brutal

[wicked pewter]

It's too good

[vivid hemlock]

salmon core

[fringe quiver]

the humble and unreasonably rare salmon when i need some chum buckets

[thorny fjord]

wtf

[brave star]

Rename Kiri to salmon bait

[uneven fractal]

it would be so funny if there would actually be an interaction like that only people who read this chat would know

[valid crypt]

Hi chat

[fringe quiver]

hi melon

[uneven fractal]

hi lea channel

[fringe quiver]

we're talking about salmon

[valid crypt]

Salmon

[uneven fractal]

no lea channel

[brave star]

Hi melon the gun

[agile latch]

Actually it would be a kind of nice thing.. since chum is kinda useful

[vivid hemlock]

its melon

[fringe quiver]

did you know vanilla has salmon

[stiff light]

like salmonella

[wicked pewter]

Noo you don't get it, the idea is that people read the wiki and find out and go "huh??? Why is that a thing????"

[fringe quiver]

but that barely anyone knows becasue theyre comically rare and have super specific fishing requirements

[agile latch]

Calamity vanilla changes wiki page

Having a specific section for salmon interaction

[vivid hemlock]

step stool 15% crit

[fringe quiver]

• you can now grind salmon

[wicked pewter]

PELASEE

[uneven fractal]

did you know salmon has vanilla

[stiff light]

are they that rare

[agile latch]

Changelog

[stiff light]

i get them all the time

[agile latch]

They are specific

Not rare

[wicked pewter]

Their catch conditional is very specific yeah

[stiff light]

isnt it just ocean fishing

[fringe quiver]

yeah theyre rare not because of a low chance

its because theyre super specific

[agile latch]

Forest fishing

1k+ lake

[valid crypt]

💔

[fringe quiver]

you cant get them from the ocean

[agile latch]

You cant get this from an egg

[valid crypt]

Ok tenna

[vivid hemlock]

pipis

[wicked pewter]

Coming straight from your 1k+ tile forest pool

[vivid hemlock]

pipislover1997

[uneven fractal]

no

[agile latch]

Making haunted chum drop rotten chum instead, that increases the chance of the player fishing enemies instead of normal fishes

(Useful for blood moon)

[stiff light]

dread

[fringe quiver]

🤔 could be cool but feels a bit niche for a consumable

[wicked pewter]

At a point make every undead fish drop that cause it feels useful

[fringe quiver]

hmm

[vivid hemlock]

throw it in the shimmer for ripe chum

does nothing

[fringe quiver]

ripe chum 🙏

[wicked pewter]

That's what they call me cuh

[agile latch]

Decorative thing that is a big haunted chum singing head you can place on your walls

[wicked pewter]

Ripe chum

[agile latch]

And it sing a cover of sunken sea theme, fully fish sung

[fringe quiver]

its the exact same as normal chum but it has a different sprite and item id

[valid crypt]

Isnt that what chum does notmally

[uneven fractal]

cipe rhum

[stiff light]

ur a chum

[wicked pewter]

Ohohohoo! Eyup my ripe chum! That's what they say to me

[valid crypt]

Peak

[fringe quiver]

Chum just increases the chance of catching fish in general

[agile latch]

Ye

[valid crypt]

Oh

Ok

[fringe quiver]

tbh yeah rotten chum could be a cool item specially if it drops from all of the undead fish over just haunted chum

[vivid hemlock]

ripe chum increases the chances of old duke spawning in phm

just by having it in your inventory

[fringe quiver]

as long as it drops in like a amount where its not too common cuz it is a niche item so you dont want the players having like 3000 of it spare lul

[agile latch]

Or it could also be a new weapon , the rotten chum bucket

[valid crypt]

Ripe chum removes your accessory slots

[fringe quiver]

ripe chum kills your family in real life

[valid crypt]

Ok spongebob plankton

[wicked pewter]

Ideas guy emperor

[agile latch]

If you give a scavenger crab a rotten chum bucket they turn red and kill the player

[royal garnet]

considering how much reg chum comes in handy i wouldnt be bothered to have lots

[dull heart]

rotten chum bucket makes you catch less enemies in blood moon

[wicked pewter]

Eureka ! What if it was yet another weapon instead of a niche item ! , sorry triangle but you deserve it

[uneven fractal]

koon

[agile latch]

+10% crit bucket

[wide wadi]

Whoa whoa slow your role buddy we don’t want sso to go another year of development

[fringe quiver]

rotten chum bucket is cool make it real ........

[wide wadi]

[fringe quiver]

also make my idea of eating the lava fishron real surely

i still love that idea its so fucking stupid 😭

[valid crypt]

Let me wear ripe chum bucket on head and social slot soni can have 2 flesh buckets on head

[wicked pewter]

Better hope for many people to come to your execution mr. Antichrist

[vivid hemlock]

5% crit on ice skates because youre always slightly above the ground

[uneven fractal]

what no sso does to people

[stiff light]

can we remove ideas so development is faster

[fringe quiver]

fish up a lava fishron and eat it for a shorter duration of obsidian skin

[agile latch]

Or you can run the molten fishron through a extraticinator to get 5 spicy bacons (grant well fed and 30 seconds of obsidian skin)

[fringe quiver]

its peak don't @ me

[wicked pewter]

, I suppose they never translated Monsieur into Mr in the book ,

[fringe quiver]

i feel like that defeats the purpose of it tho

[agile latch]

True

[fringe quiver]

Cuz at that point it's just more effort than getting a obsidian skin potion unless you're like actively bringing an extractinator with you

[valid crypt]

Not as comedic

[fringe quiver]

it's also not as funny yeah

[urban cloak]

nah fuck the bacon

eat that shit RAW

[fringe quiver]

you get it

[valid crypt]

YEAH

[dull heart]

okay but

[vivid hemlock]

YES

[royal garnet]

create an alt campaign where you put the souls of bosses in haunted chum and it becomes vanquished meatlord with a billion health and fighter ai

[wicked pewter]

I don't get how anyone has enough restraint to make anything

[dull heart]

what if I reworked phaseslayer

[agile latch]

The disgusting meat.. i still need to sprite it

[fringe quiver]

with you jsut being able to eat it its actually more useful imo...

[pulsar cobalt]

bacon = exq stuffed
bacon but spicy = well fed

logic

[fringe quiver]

because like, youd fish up from the basalt gully right

[agile latch]

It will be reworked this update tho by xyk (likely)

[fringe quiver]

the basalt gully has alot of lava

[agile latch]

I need to finish spriting it..

[vivid hemlock]

oh damn

[valid crypt]

Oh cool

[vivid hemlock]

phaseslayer will finally be replaced

[valid crypt]

Scoog put that in the document

[fringe quiver]

so you can just get your trusty fishing rod and fish up a humble fishron when you need some obsidian skin in your time of need

[vivid hemlock]

inshallah

[agile latch]

There is also delicious meat and disgusting meat..

They do need new obtainment methods

[vivid hemlock]

theres alr enough info

[agile latch]

Or well disgusting meat need a proper obtainment method

[vivid hemlock]

i dont need to add "likely will be in sso" 🥹

[wicked pewter]

Chose a food to consume, kind and caring food or evil and mischievous food

[pulsar cobalt]

yea u do

[grave geyser]

only if you make it dethrone gend

[valid crypt]

Yes you do

[agile latch]

Disgusting meat make you puke all the

Upgrades you have

Life fruits, crystals, etc

[fringe quiver]

what the fuck is disgusting meat

[valid crypt]

300 new things to add

[fringe quiver]

😭

[vivid hemlock]

make sure to eat geese

[agile latch]

New item (been real for a while)

[valid crypt]

Meat thats disgusting

[agile latch]

Its a way to get rid of perma upgrades

[fringe quiver]

is that actually true

[vivid hemlock]

disgusting meat... 🥹

[fringe quiver]

wait that's interesting actually

[agile latch]

Yea

[valid crypt]

Oh famn

[vivid hemlock]

oh my god

[fringe quiver]

me when i eat the disgusting meat that makes me suck ass

[uneven fractal]

why would you want that?

[vivid hemlock]

this is the item of all time

[valid crypt]

Someone would

[agile latch]

Testing, want to share with a friend

[stiff light]

they should make digesting meat

[fringe quiver]

It might be useful for some niche uses tbh

[agile latch]

There is reasons

Yea

[fringe quiver]

Pranking a friend lmao

[agile latch]

And also funny

[fringe quiver]

Plus yeah wanting to test things at a certain stat range

[wicked pewter]

Hey triangle now you can add incredibly niche perma upgrades that are actually bad for the player 50% of the time how about that

[uneven fractal]

this but no spectral feather

[vivid hemlock]

not everything needs to be practicle

[uneven fractal]

wow

[fringe quiver]

Not every item needs to be game changingly useful metagame

[agile latch]

And if you are playing mp and ate too many crystals

[fringe quiver]

spectral feather

[agile latch]

You can puke it out and share better

[fringe quiver]

you can just

[agile latch]

With friends

[fringe quiver]

not equip wings

[agile latch]

[fringe quiver]

🥹

[urban cloak]

will be fun to make a vomit animation for that

[valid crypt]

Wait you can force feed other players

[vivid hemlock]

spectral feather after i pummel it with 50 bombs

[stiff light]

peer pressure them into throwing up and steal the hearts

[fringe quiver]

spectral feather is so bizzare

like

dude just

just dont equip wings.

you dont need an item for that.

what is the Purpose of this 😭

[uneven fractal]

steal heart

steel heart

[vivid hemlock]

its like training wheels

[fringe quiver]

if you want a no wing challenge just dont equip wings

[uneven fractal]

steel soul

[agile latch]

True

[wicked pewter]

, fuck I wanted to give an example but can't think of anything can someone else do the thinking for me

[stiff light]

heart of iron

[agile latch]

Anyway disgusting meat still need a proper obtainment..

[stiff light]

chum

[agile latch]

Which could always be the undead fishes but its bacon, not really fish

[cunning sequoia]

bought from temporaryflame

[agile latch]

Evil undead piggy that appears at midnight

[fringe quiver]

craft it with bacon and the will o wisp material the undead fish drops

and also 1 cryonic bar for no reason

[agile latch]

And make evil bell noises as it walks

[vivid hemlock]

exclusive gss drop 😊

make it this

[valid crypt]

Killing you

[uneven fractal]

no steel

[wicked pewter]

Craft it with any perfectly good food that gives you well fed and then add some like rotten meat into it

[fringe quiver]

ok but tbf

[wicked pewter]

From the necromancy place

[fringe quiver]

that'd actually be neat imo

gss dosen't drop mcuh does it

[valid crypt]

Make it a 10% chance for 1 to drop

[agile latch]

GSS is dying..

Or well he is being reborn

[fringe quiver]

and i think having a niche utility iitem like that would be cool

[agile latch]

As a lotus flower

[stiff light]

gss tomorrow

[vivid hemlock]

i know

[agile latch]

(Elder basilisk)

[fringe quiver]

hes being ship of theseus'd

What the fuck

wait thats cool as fuck

[vivid hemlock]

ok

[valid crypt]

Wha

[vivid hemlock]

i completely

forgot

[wicked pewter]

wgat is gss i havent played in a year

[fringe quiver]

Ok wait no that's cool as fuck i love that

[vivid hemlock]

about a basilisk being mentioned

[fringe quiver]

great sand shark

[valid crypt]

Great sand

[agile latch]

Great sand shark

[wicked pewter]

ooooooooohhh

he is incredibly forgettable

[vivid hemlock]

elder basilisk 🥹

[valid crypt]

Miniboss that just
Shouldnt

[vivid hemlock]

cheese can you document this

[fringe quiver]

yeah i can

[agile latch]

He is now part of the "ancient offshoots, thought to be dead or just a myth, but is actually real and resurfacing now"

[vivid hemlock]

im not home i cant edit the doc

[fringe quiver]

triangle was this like

[cunning sequoia]

give him petrification

do it.

[fringe quiver]

confirmed in the dev team or just

[cunning sequoia]

you know you want to.

[hushed hazel]

I completely forget what gss actually does rn other than drop a material for, like, four weapons

[cunning sequoia]

be evil

[fringe quiver]

something that you wanna do rn?

[urban cloak]

the existence of gss is still a mystery to me to this day

[agile latch]

The fated apex predator that once existed in the desert, and that its sudden disapearance allowed scourge to thrive

[cunning sequoia]

give him stun mechanics

Right NOW

[urban cloak]

did fabsol wake up one day and decided he was gonna add a big fucking shark

[wicked pewter]

just like make it a silksong boss in terraria can you

[agile latch]

confirmed (there is stuff on the works for it too)

[fringe quiver]

gotcha

will add it to the doc then

[agile latch]

Forums

[fringe quiver]

thats awesome ..

[agile latch]

Someone suggested it

Fabsol added it

[valid crypt]

How would elder basilisk taste

[fringe quiver]

wasn't the GSS rework planned for SSO part 2?

[urban cloak]

terraria forums okay that means its fucking ancient

[fringe quiver]

alongside crabulon

[urban cloak]

makes sense

[wicked pewter]

triangle can you show it to me i wanna know are you chill like that or do you hate me

[agile latch]

Its pt 2 yea

[grave geyser]

gss is like the most "why does this exist" enemy in the mod

[agile latch]

Its not coming now

[fringe quiver]

makes sense

[grave geyser]

its just randomly there

[hushed hazel]

Melon I’m turning you inside out

[agile latch]

Its not sprite or concept art (it do be actual economical stuff tho)

[valid crypt]

I will try eating another pencil

[cunning sequoia]

like the movie

[vivid hemlock]

melon after i atomize him

[agile latch]

If the user who is making it want to talk about it they can

[wicked pewter]

fair enough

[grave geyser]

my cool awesome miniboss in the desert post plantera (its just a sand shark but like 3x the size)

[valid crypt]

:/

[vivid hemlock]

im sorry

them

[agile latch]

GSS weapons unironically

The worst set in the mod rn

🥹

[neat field]

what if we add a giant crimsaon sand shark

[grave geyser]

including indev stuff or just public

[agile latch]

Sprite wise, concept wise, design wise, everything

[neat field]

and a giant corrputen sand sahrk

[agile latch]

Is bad

[grave geyser]

because if just public I can think of a few

[valid crypt]

They exist kind of??

[stiff light]

u cant atomize someone

[agile latch]

The sprites are not even consistent

[grave geyser]

that are worse

[stiff light]

already made of atoms

[neat field]

and a giantic atral inferction sand shark

and a giant hallowed sand shark

[agile latch]

Indev, but even in public it is still worse

[neat field]

and a giant snow shark

and a giant jungle shark

[agile latch]

(I dont mean dmg wise.. i dont care about dmg )

[neat field]

and a giant shark

[agile latch]

I can make a phoenix blaster reskin deal 1 million dmg

[valid crypt]

Dont think damage is useful either?

[neat field]

and a giant mushroom shark

and a giant forest shark

and a giant space shark

and a giant lava shark

[urban cloak]

i think we get the joke now

[neat field]

see you get it

[agile latch]

Lava shark was almost real

In SSO

[grave geyser]

I mean like
dog set for instance
in public its just
bad??
deathhail is just a bunch of pngs?
eradicator is a clone of a weapon half the game ago

[vivid hemlock]

magmaw?

[agile latch]

It got morphed into gold fishes..

Magmaw ye

[agile latch]

GSS is still worse

Maybe its my bias as a spriter

[grave geyser]

maybe

[agile latch]

But seeing how each sprite is inconsistent

The recipes

🥹

[neat field]

i think the best boss currently in the game is nuclear terror

it grew on me

[valid crypt]

Id say the dog stuff is better but thats not a high bar compared to sand gear post plantera for some reason

[dull heart]

I agree

[valid crypt]

Aint that a miniboss or strong enemy

[fringe quiver]

magmaw still has hope to be maybe reborn as post ml basalt gully enemy in the future dosent it

[dull heart]

but it's very close

[vivid hemlock]

the horrors

[dull heart]

Actually no

[fringe quiver]

it's not like Guaranteed but Maybe .......

[grave geyser]

the only out of place one at first glance is tumbleweed

[dull heart]

I do think public dog set is worse

[fringe quiver]

talking about which

[grave geyser]

without factoring recipeis

[fringe quiver]

triangle did you see my funny post ml timeless shore enemy idea

[dull heart]

shifting sands is pretty bad too in public

[pulsar cobalt]

doze can u please make sandstorm a proper sandgun upgrade

[agile latch]

Check the outlines

[pulsar cobalt]

thanks

[agile latch]

And stuff

[neat field]

wow i hate the sandstorm actually

[dull heart]

It's probably dying

[agile latch]

They are slightly diferent 🥹

[dull heart]

but hey I made Sandgun viable in hardmode

[grave geyser]

oh my god.

[dull heart]

Astral sand

[agile latch]

Sandstorm is dying ye

[pulsar cobalt]

astral and pearlsand?

YEA

[dull heart]

I didn't touch vanilla sands

[pulsar cobalt]

oh ok

[cobalt wharf]

the hardened sand blocks go insane

[dull heart]

but all the calamity sands now have special effects

[pulsar cobalt]

even eutrophic sand,,,,?

[dull heart]

all of them

[agile latch]

Only one possibly being kept alive is duststorm (if it was up to me it would die too), because in some old update it dealt a lot of dmg (even if its a bad weapon) so some people are attached to it

[pulsar cobalt]

yippee

[neat field]

gender eutrophia

[fringe quiver]

tbfd i think

[wicked pewter]

sob

thats so funny

[dull heart]

eutrophic sand inflicts Eutrophication for 5 seconds but has lower damage

[vivid hemlock]

😭

[fringe quiver]

a sandstorm in a bottle as a weapon is a fun concept for a weapon

[pulsar cobalt]

can u keep sandstorm im attached to it (not really i hate it)

[fringe quiver]

like you just throw it at people

that's pretty fun

[urban cloak]

sandstorm is a neat concept but i wouldn't make it drop from gss even post-rework

[dull heart]

I want to keep sandstorm but not GSS tied and reworked

[vivid hemlock]

sand sprite in a bottle

[fringe quiver]

the weapon itself sucks unfortunately but the concept is pretty fun imo

[agile latch]

It can be a cute concept if done well

[wicked pewter]

if it broke and did a small tornado then it would be cool

[neat field]

what if we add a gun that shoots sand

[urban cloak]

could be a craftable or a drop from sand elemental

[dull heart]

i also want shifting sands but not GSS tied

and not necessarily sand themed

I just want another magic missile

[agile latch]

Ye

[neat field]

i think we should move all sand-related items to desert scourge

[grave geyser]

doze "magic missile #1 fan" zoze

[cunning sequoia]

meee

[neat field]

ick

[cunning sequoia]

sand dollar is still my goat

[dull heart]

before I handed vivid clarity line off to Xyk I was going to make it magic missile esque but cooler

[agile latch]

Wasnt vivid clarity already

Bookmarked by xyk for a while

Or was it not..

Forgo

[dull heart]

no

[neat field]

another reason i think uelibloom should keep existing forever:

providence's design

[dull heart]

I was told to do nucleosynthesis and the rest of the line but Xyk asked me if he could and I said sure

[neat field]

she has like tree roots on her

[agile latch]

It isnt even related to providence

Besides the slight root connection, which is weird for provi to be root

[neat field]

look at her design she has like tree roots

[cunning sequoia]

she has like tentacle roots or something