calamity-update-talk

[tropic jolt]

I can't believe 1.5 is finally here

[vivid hemlock]

gitgudwo...

[dull heart]

It's so funny that this video doesn't even show the active attack it has

[pulsar cobalt]

oh its an old sprite

i never knew

[dull heart]

the OG Virid Vanguard

back when it was truly Igneous Exaltation 2

[pulsar cobalt]

also thats hilarious

youre right

it doesnt show the active

[dull heart]

I actually really want to know what the active looked like

I will say that old vanguard was so incredibly awkward of a minion

new vanguard basically changed from being Exaltation 2 into Terraprisma 2

[pulsar cobalt]

also wiki doesnt say anything about the old sprite in its history section,,

[dull heart]

and now I'm taking it back to Exaltation 2

[fierce hearth]

I remember first using it and being extremely confused by how clunky and unresponsive it was and being intrigued by its first rework but ultimately still underwhelmed

[dull heart]

because technically the sprite wasn't changed, they just stopped using the axe one

I do think that finally this rework will bring Virid into its own

It's probably going to be an upgrade of two unique summons from early-mid hardmode

as long as nobody else on the dev team has a problem with it

[pulsar cobalt]

another summon?

[dull heart]

neither of the ones it upgrades from are new

One is Exaltation, the other is a fairly unique mid-hardmode minion

[pulsar cobalt]

viral sprout?

[fierce hearth]

Glacial embrace?

[pulsar cobalt]

ehh

[dull heart]

yup

[pulsar cobalt]

i wouldnt call post cryo mid hm

[fierce hearth]

Mm fair

Viral was accurate anyway

[earnest jewel]

Cyrogen is one of the first hardmode bosses.

[pulsar cobalt]

that means it inherits the debuff properties

right?

[dull heart]

yeah

[pulsar cobalt]

RIGHT????

PLEASE

YESSSSSS

[fierce hearth]

I was thinking more about the functionality of the glacial rather than when it appears

[dull heart]

and of course the Super Epic Photon Ripper Zenith Knockoff Attack is staying

[fierce hearth]

Hell yeah

Glacial embrace is a cool weapon tbh. Cryogen having cool drops kinda stinks considering its placement in progression

[dull heart]

the issue is that glacial embrace is almost cool but then it's janky

mostly the right click attack is so weird

[fierce hearth]

I'd sack that in a heartbeat to have literally any of cryo's drops feel relevant

I know some are good but it's just, beating cryogen rarely feels like it's for any of its drops and is just to get cryonic bars

[dull heart]

Kelvin

All of the drops are relevant because of Kelvin Catalyst :)

[fierce hearth]

You know that's cope

You can fix this

[dull heart]

ok

removes all the weapon drops except glacial embrace

[fierce hearth]

[earnest jewel]

You save a 400 year old war criminal.

So, there's that.

[fierce hearth]

His exotic meats aren't even good anymore

What's the point

[earnest jewel]

Doing the right thing?

[fierce hearth]

I put my citizens in test tubes, I'm not playing terraria to be ethical

[dull heart]

but basically

imagine Virid Vanguard but half the blades work like igneous exaltation and then it inflicts sage poison

[earnest jewel]

Oh, yes I see.
(Doesn't get it at all.)

[dull heart]

and it also works like photon ripper / zenith

[fierce hearth]

So it's both a solid close ranged dps weapon and also a nice risky support summon

Depending on if you wanna fully invest into the funny blender or just want to tag things with sage poison

[dull heart]

sage poison does scale with the spawned amount of Virid of course

Like it does on viral Sprout

[fierce hearth]

True true

[dull heart]

(but with more power per Virid due to the tiering)

[fierce hearth]

Has flashbacks to old postML scaling suddenly

[latent portal]

Were spoilers

Hi fellas

[dull heart]

I just dropped two

in the last 45 minutes

[fierce hearth]

Yeagh

Deathwind is now Thread of Eradication and will probably shoot SUPER LASER BLASTS instead of funny little wiggly darts

[hard copper]

thread... like...

[dull heart]

no

[fierce hearth]

no

[hard copper]

silksong!

[fierce hearth]

Mods, execute this man

[dull heart]

thread of eradication is surprisingly difficult to use for a giant hitscan laser

due to the slowed turning speed mentioned

[halcyon seal]

So it’s a last prism but. Ranger? Was deathwind a bow before? I think it was a bow before

[dull heart]

no it's not a last prism

and it's still a bow

[halcyon seal]

So it’s more like heavenly gale?

[fierce hearth]

Yes it was a bow that turned arrows into 4 funny little wiggly godslayer dart things

[dull heart]

kinda like this

[fierce hearth]

But now it's a sluggish wind-up mega laser

Bow

[dull heart]

well it's up to you if you use the God's Bane Doombeam or the Hyperdeath Rift

[hard copper]

hell yes, a charging bow

[fierce hearth]

So what's this hyperdeath rift

[halcyon seal]

OH GOD DAMN IT ITS ANOTHER BYLETH WEAPON

[fierce hearth]

Byleth's kit was cool okay

[dull heart]

true

That's why there are 4 byleth weapons

[halcyon seal]

I like how dog’s weapon names are now just vaguely cool sounding words mashed together

You think he named them himself

[dull heart]

that's the idea

[earnest jewel]

Absolutely.

[dull heart]

Well they do have relevance to what the weapon is

All of them reflect the function or design of the weapon

[fierce hearth]

I'm suddenly remembering a weapon I once made up with someone in an old science fantasy setting I was developing that would probably be pretty interesting visually if maybe not mechanically for some late post-ML gear

[halcyon seal]

SIS, ❗

[fierce hearth]

Which was using wormhole-like technology to repeatedly open and seal portals hundreds of times a second on a target ripping them to bits

[dull heart]

I think this now means the only dog drop name not yet revealed is Eradicator's new name

Wqit

Excelsus

I forgot excelsus

[halcyon seal]

You should name Excelsus Shadow the Hedgehog

[misty wren]

eradicator goes hard

[dull heart]

no

[fierce hearth]

Unfortunately the actual in-game function of a weapon like I described would just be "fx spam hitscan" which isn't very mechanically interesting

[dull heart]

considering Thread of Eradication, Eradicator needs a new name

[dull heart]

basically stream gouge

but no spear

[fierce hearth]

Kinda yeah

Visually it'd be reminiscent of like, Earthworm Jim's blaster in how it just has an effect at the weapon and at the point of impact and nothing in between

Considering none of us chumps are helping design the dog drop reworks we probably have little to offer in terms of renaming the Eradicator

[dull heart]

yeah so stream gouge :)

[dull heart]

It has a rename already

it's not my favorite but it's good enough

and I don't have a better one

[fierce hearth]

😔

[dull heart]

But Eradicator is probably my favorite of the dog drops

Thread of Eradication taking second

Hyperdeath Rift Scepter is actually probably my second to least favorite one so L to all those voters

[earnest jewel]

He should have an attack named 'Bigotry Beam'.

[fierce hearth]

Ummm can we get a small spoiler as to what about the Eradicator makes you like it so much

[dull heart]

it looks cool

[fierce hearth]

Yay

[grave geyser]

what

[dull heart]

I think it's the most visually satisfying

[earnest jewel]

What?

[fierce hearth]

Why are we trying to pitch the idea that Dog is problematic

[earnest jewel]

He is.

Like, that's canon.

He knows extradimensional slurs.

[dull heart]

dog strikes me as absolutely the sigma male Andrew Tate type personality

but without all the sexism because he hates everyone else equally

[fierce hearth]

Dog is above all that because Dog believes he's a supreme being or whatever

[dull heart]

but idk I'm no lore writer

[grave geyser]

I said it once before but dog is literally just general grievous in calamity

[dull heart]

True

[earnest jewel]

He's not allowed near Calamitas due to the fact he begins making family dead and aro/ace isn't real jokes in seconds.

[fierce hearth]

That's different from like, believing what you were born as is superior. Dog believes he specifically is some ultimate life form

[dull heart]

how did you know I was giving him four arms and lightsabers in 2.1

[earnest jewel]

Ultimate Life Form...

[grave geyser]

lucky guess

how are you going to avoid copyright from disney

[dull heart]

exactly

dog is racist and sexist but towards all races and sexes equally

[fierce hearth]

Accidentally calls himself an omega male

[dull heart]

TURE

[earnest jewel]

He doesn't even know how Terrarian sexes work, but he still hates on them.

[hushed hazel]

dog is every type of phobic

[fierce hearth]

This conversation has me almost saying things I shouldn't

[hushed hazel]

he picks and chooses depending on what would piss of the person he's talking to the most

[earnest jewel]

What do you mean by this?

[dull heart]

Yes

[hushed hazel]

he's a competitive ragebaiter

[earnest jewel]

He's probably not allowed near Calamitas, for risk he makes her so mad they blow up wherever they're stationed.

[fierce hearth]

I'd like to stay punishment free so I'm not even gonna test the waters

[fathom girder]

Scal would probably just turn dog into another um

[earnest jewel]

What the hell were you gonna say!?

[fathom girder]

whatever her worm thing is

[earnest jewel]

Sepulcher!

[fathom girder]

yea

[earnest jewel]

Obviously, that's the possible future!

[fierce hearth]

Something about AO3, that's all you're getting

[earnest jewel]

Concerning.

You know what, you're right to hold your tongue.

I have an idea of what you mean, and saw someone get in trouble for it.

[arctic cliff]

agreed

[dull heart]

you haven't even seen them yet

[pulsar cobalt]

new doze pfp and its more waguri

🔥

[dull heart]

ofc

fragrant flower is very probably my favorite thing I've ever watched

I just realized today that it's a 13 episode season instead of the 24 I thought it was gonna be and I'm so ahforhek about it

[pulsar cobalt]

yea

i always assume an anime will be 12 episodes

[dull heart]

I thought I saw somewhere say it was 24 😢

at least it's a 13 episode one instead of ending this Saturday like everything else I'm currently watching

but knowing everything else is ending was like darn :(

realizing this was ending was like darn :( :( :(

I still haven't actually watched last week's episode of Fragrant Flower since I got hooked on kaguya-sama (merkalto was right it's exactly what I wanted from an anime)

at least the dub is

[pulsar cobalt]

kaguya sama dub is hilarious

[pulsar cobalt]

also watch last weeks episode its so good,,,,,

[dull heart]

I will

Kaguya-sama was good enough that I entirely forgot about all my Saturday shows into Monday

definitely my second favorite anime easily, I've still got like 5 episodes and the movie too

but I think I'll go watch the Fragrant Flower episode now since both the OP and ED have been stuck in my head all day

[lapis oak]

HOLY SHIT

[dusty tinsel]

Obliterating every cell in your body

[lapis oak]

😭

[dusty tinsel]

Enjoy stage 100 cancer /j

[hard copper]

pfff im already on stage 101

[lapis oak]

anyways

that Vanguard sprite is making a comeback how nice

I miss it

[dusty tinsel]

eyeball

[tropic jolt]

👀

[halcyon seal]

ALL of them

he has them memorized like that

thats impressive

[tropic jolt]

clanker

[brave star]

Turns u into a stick bug

Now u have to stick bug everyone

[agile latch]

extremelly wip (really rotten this week, flu curse), possibly making prismback into a evil softshell turtle

[lapis oak]

😋

pog

[versed heart]

Evil turtle? Like the fake Gerson in Deltarune?

Seriously though, interested to see what'll come of this

[fathom girder]

Softshell turtle got browned

[versed heart]

I've been sick too, wonder why. Probably related to people going back to school/college & a few other things

[vivid hemlock]

oh my god 🥹

[agile latch]

gumball.. but these guys are like peak turtle

[fringe quiver]

return of the fish mines .....

turtle mines 🤔

softshells r awesome

have u seen that funky softshell with grass hair

ws that even a softshell...

[cunning sequoia]

silly ourtle...,,,..,

[slate folio]

Is he still gonna have sea prisms on his back tho

[agile latch]

yea

that is its base form

[slate folio]

Alright awesome

[agile latch]

you can break the crystal armor and it go bald

[slate folio]

😭

Bald

[agile latch]

i tought it being a softshell would make more sense for the creature, since then its using the crystals to cover for its existing weaker shell

[halcyon seal]

how have i not seen this dog before

this is a good dog

[agile latch]

and softshell are p peak

[slate folio]

My mother once had to carry one off a road

It was a

Terrifying experience, even as a spectator

[brave star]

Goofy beas

[agile latch]

softshell or snaping?

if its a softshell i dont think they are dangerous much, snapping though

[lapis oak]

isn't the super evil turtle from Gumball a softshell one

[agile latch]

yea

they can bite and have sharp claws, but their bite isnt as bad as like a snapping turtle

[arctic cliff]

you should check out their close relative the pignosed turtle

[fringe quiver]

softshell bites hurt but snapping turtle bites uh.

goodbye hand.

[arctic cliff]

which is somehow the closest any non-sea turtle has gotten to looking like a sea turtle

[agile latch]

p cute guy

hopefully calamity mod will have a good diverse economy of turtles

with gnasher being a snapping, and prismback a softshell (vanilla has normal sea turtles..)

there is still other cool type of turtles that could be real though

[arctic cliff]

tortoises in the jungle too

[agile latch]

ye

i still plan to do a mata mata turtle neutral creature for desert

[arctic cliff]

YES

[brave star]

Hello hand

[fathom spoke]

Pray tell, how does one get the shiny name

[brave star]

By being a patreon member

Or dev

[vivid hemlock]

you pay money

[brave star]

Yea

Basically what scoog said

[stuck kite]

you what

[brave star]

Pay money

I did and look at me! i’M fInE

[stuck kite]

i like those

[brave star]

:3

[stuck kite]

very fancy

[brave star]

U even fancier with that lace

/nice

[stuck kite]

yay

[brave star]

I’m ourple plumg

[lapis oak]

I'm broke and dollar is expensive

[misty wren]

altix got hit with the yuri beam

[brave star]

Kiribroke

[stuck kite]

gnfkdkgm

[vivid hemlock]

this is how most creatures live

[stuck kite]

dont be sayin that

[lapis oak]

😔

[stuck kite]

mood

[molten grove]

have you seen the mary river turtle

[misty wren]

there wasnt a turtle named mary in teenage mutant ninja turtles...

[brave star]

Hey kiri, have some money bc I’m generous.

[brave star]

Tourtule

[earnest jewel]

Wow, this is worthless!

[brave star]

It’s less than worthless

[tribal isle]

If you gave it to a cashier shouldn't they give you the actual money

[earnest jewel]

That money being -12 dollars?

[tribal isle]

That's money if I ever saw money

[earnest jewel]

I don't think you have.

[stuck kite]

thats just a bill of debt

you give it to a cashier you owe them 12 dollars

[fringe quiver]

das the one i was talking about

[viral merlin]

SSO eventually

[dull heart]

Silksong tomorrow

[dusk bronze]

guys

1 month since changelogs

[dull heart]

uh

shoot I need to get dog merged then

before yuh goes changelog

[dusk bronze]

YuH STOP THE PRESSES

[brave star]

What that mean

[dusk bronze]

put dog rework in the main dev build i'm assuming

[brave star]

The one before the huge ass design?

[dusk bronze]

yeag

[lyric trellis]

It's okay isn't there like 5 total

[lapis oak]

yeee

this next changelogs patch better be peak

[dusk bronze]

no

[fathom girder]

Providence resprite tomorrow

[dull heart]

yikes

[fathom girder]

damn

doze more like snoze

[molten grove]

get silkslopped

[dull heart]

Also there's more than that

I think

Fishing branch got merged

and uhh

[lean relic]

what does this mean

[fathom girder]

Doze branch got merged

[fathom girder]

Builds aren't all done on the main mod basically

to merge a build is to basically bring all the stuff from one build to the main build

[lean relic]

I mean the fishing

[dusk bronze]

fish

[fathom girder]

oe

[lean relic]

I know things about github

[fathom girder]

Uhhh he revamped some of the calamity rods

think he showed off one of em a week or two ago

[lean relic]

peak

more fishing

[dusk bronze]

"some"

[dull heart]

sigh well I don't think Stratus will make this changelog

assets...

[inner timber]

spriter heaven

[lapis oak]

one day

(never)

[inner timber]

when the mod is completed

[fathom girder]

(never)

SSO 30098

[buoyant pulsar]

maybe virid vanguards swords should like

not all be in perfect sync

like they're all in the same attack mode at the same time, but not all overlapping each other

[stuck kite]

piled for 2 centuries

[fierce hearth]

Can I make it

The change log not the sprite

[cobalt wharf]

this is what yharon would look like running on a gameboy color!

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[lapis oak]

Exo Tank is real

[hard hearth]

thats b...

[amber furnace]

ravager rework tomorro

[arctic cairn]

this yharon is so fun

wait what is this channel

[azure oak]

it's meant for upcoming content

[dusk bronze]

this channel is for discussing the content of future updates

or recently released updates

[arctic cairn]

ic

[dusk bronze]

of basecal

devs also regularly post spoilers here, in addition to #spoilers

[azure oak]

there's also #changelogs

[median escarp]

Honestly super excited for all the stuff coming with sso especially the arsenal armors

[dusk bronze]

unfortunately only tier 1 will be in sso

but it'll still be peak

[median escarp]

Yea

Wonderinf what the yharim fight's gonna look like

When it happens

From the lore ive read in my playthrough he gives off massive lord of cinder vibes

[dusk bronze]

what's that from

[median escarp]

Dark souls

[dusk bronze]

sounds familiar

[pulsar cobalt]

its a small indie game idk if uve heard of it

[median escarp]

Idk the full lore but essentially gwynn lord of cinder was this super powerful guy in the past but when you fight him hes a mere shell of his former self

[dusk bronze]

sounds like yharim mentally

[azure oak]

physically yharim is in his prime (despite being 130)

[dusk bronze]

although in the lore, yharim is currently physically stronger than ever yeah

[hexed basalt]

big spoiler incoming - yharim

[dusk bronze]

yharon magic preserves his vitality

[pulsar cobalt]

iirc gwyn is still like

the final boss of ds1

so

[median escarp]

Yea

[median escarp]

YES

Exactly

Inb4 plin plin plon is added to calamity

Actually i have a question about the uhh

Star of destruction rework

Does the stealth strike stay out when you switch to another weapon?

[dusk bronze]

i don't believe any info about that is public but i could be wrong

[median escarp]

https://youtu.be/LB2BiV82TEk?t=230&si=AEv62218aG4S_5I9

[dusk bronze]

huh

thought that was a patreon exclusive vid

guess not

[pulsar cobalt]

no xyk posted it on twitter

lmao

[dusk bronze]

ew

why does anyone still use that garbage fire

[median escarp]

Ikr

I use bsky

[dusk bronze]

the problem with bsky is that nobody posts anything interesting ever

but twitter is just 1940s germany

byeah bsky is still several orders of magnitude better obviously

[median escarp]

Follow my bsky,,, (evil)

[vivid hemlock]

this has been public for around a year i think

[dusk bronze]

damn

[misty wren]

echo chamber 1 vs echo chamber 2

[hushed hazel]

echo chamber vs northernlion quoting erb vader vs hitler

[thorny fjord]

No way, you're revealing echo coated blocks?

[plush carbon]

if i dont like twitter why would i like twitter lite

[median escarp]

Thats also valid

[scarlet root]

Hmm... depression is consuming me every day. I hope I live to see the release of 2.1. Haha.

Any interesting spoilers?

[dusk bronze]

virid vanguard might get a chainsaw attack

[scarlet root]

cool

-_-

I hate translators. They're stupid.

[dull heart]

spoiler: sage poison now only gets 25% effectiveness to debuff weaknesses and resistances

[dusk bronze]

[dull heart]

(so a sickness weak enemy only takes 1.25x dmg, but a resistant enemy take 0.875x dmg)

however they still get full effect to sickness boosters

This is a buff because now we can balance them to be usable on more than just anilevi

[white aurora]

what inflicts sage poison?

[dull heart]

Viral Sprout

[dusk bronze]

perennial summon weapon

[dull heart]

and probably Virid Vanguard upcoming too

[dusk bronze]

hell yeah

[white aurora]

oh

[scarlet root]

Well that's cool, I hope I see 2.1.

[lyric trellis]

I like how Viral Sprout and Virid, the two most interesting parts of sets that are gonna be axed eventually, are now connected (and they weren’t gonna be axed with the rest of the set either anyway)

[white aurora]

oh sage poisong is the one that gets comically powerful when you have a lot of the minion

[dull heart]

Yeah

[dusk bronze]

is 5 a lot

[white aurora]

with 8 it's 360 dps

[dull heart]

My reasoning for it was basically

• Virid Vanguard either needs a reason for the theming it has now to work, or a retheme when Perennial dies, and being a Viral Sprout upgrade fits the current theming
• viral sprout debuff focus is cool

[white aurora]

on the debuff

[dull heart]

also sage poison is being made less obtuse

The formula it has right now is nearly linear

... So it's just gonna be linear now

[dusk bronze]

i thought perennial was just being majorly tweaked, not killed

[dull heart]

25 dps per sprout (75? for vanguard)

[dull heart]

I meant to type tarragon

oops

[cobalt wharf]

not 3x for vanguard

[dusk bronze]

ah

[cobalt wharf]

75 is way too much lmao

[dull heart]

75 is where it is now but it'll need adjustment yeah

balancing is still pending

[cobalt wharf]

75 is an easy way to make it useless on every boss that is debuff immune and overpowered on everything else

[dull heart]

Also most of the perennial weapons are dying besides viral sprout, which will just not be perennial

[white aurora]

75 per vanguard would become a lot stronger than daybroken would be

and daybroken is a funny status

[dull heart]

realistically it probably should be like

50

[cobalt wharf]

and daybreak needs constant use to maintain its max damage

[dusk bronze]

peam

[cobalt wharf]

while this is just a summon

[lyric trellis]

Doze already said it but yeah most of the weapons are dying which was my main focus (the weapons suck)

[dusk bronze]

can you kill hydrothermic and cosmilite weapons next

[cobalt wharf]

chlorophyte shotbow with leaf blower projectiles 🔥

[dull heart]

also 75 wouldn't actually make it much stronger than Daybroken

on Daybreak

that gets 800, 12 Virid with 75 would be 900

[lyric trellis]

Green golden shower!

[cobalt wharf]

adamantite broadsword that creates vilethorn projectile on hit

[lyric trellis]

It’s peak

[dull heart]

I also am thinking about making CV and dark energy no longer immune to all debuffs, just resistant to all debuffs

[dusk bronze]

samsara slicer but bad

[dull heart]

and dog has already lost debuff immunity

[white aurora]

5 vanguards would be stronger than dragonfire i think

[dull heart]

sure but

[dusk bronze]

it's already stronger than dragonfire probably

[dull heart]

that's also not really comparable when Vanguard is meant to be debuff centric and no Dragonfire weapon is

[cobalt wharf]

bad idea i think

[pulsar cobalt]

dragonfire is also just put on every yharon weapon

[dull heart]

only the head lost it

[pulsar cobalt]

meanwhile half of virid vanguards identity would be the debuff

[cobalt wharf]

oh ok

[pulsar cobalt]

i think its fair the debuff is stronger

[white aurora]

yeah

[dusk bronze]

doze thoughts?

[white aurora]

full debuff build will be real

[dull heart]

no

[pulsar cobalt]

anyways literally every boss except storm weaver is resistant to sickness so

[dusk bronze]

[dull heart]

no thoughts head empty

[pulsar cobalt]

u gotta decrease that damage to 0.8whateverx

[dusk bronze]

wait fr

[cobalt wharf]

no

polter

[dull heart]

yeah polter should be neutral

[dusk bronze]

is

is it just those 2

[dull heart]

probably

[pulsar cobalt]

it says polter is resistant

[dull heart]

Hmm

well I'll just fix that

[dusk bronze]

why though

[white aurora]

i feel like polter shouldn't take much damage from sickness

[dusk bronze]

why every other boss

[white aurora]

cause

[lyric trellis]

Wow I can’t wait to use my favorite debuff Time Distortion on my favorite weapon Time Bolt for dog

[white aurora]

it's a ghost

[cobalt wharf]

WHY ONLY THAT ONE

[dusk bronze]

[pulsar cobalt]

but rn its literally just rav (which he hasnt been reworked yet), storm weaver (neutral) and yharon (yea use virid on yharon)

[pulsar cobalt]

cuz its a ghost

[dull heart]

Every boss post ml through DoG except Weaver and Folly should not all have a resistance to sickness

[dull heart]

About yharon
Amalgam

[cobalt wharf]

ghost is susceptible to fire and cold too huh

[pulsar cobalt]

true actually

[cobalt wharf]

vanilla usually just makes ghosts immune to all debuffs because that actually makes sense

[dull heart]

I'm just going to make polter neutral to all debuffs

[cobalt wharf]

being inconsistent is weirder

[pulsar cobalt]

if u look at the entire debuff list things that resist sickness are usually things without organic bodies

so ghosts and mechs and skeletons

and everything else?

weak to sickness

i know its fire game design

[dusk bronze]

peam

[cobalt wharf]

fabsol assigning random variables to every npc game design

[pulsar cobalt]

NO BUT ACTUALLY

THERE ARE GIANT LISTS OF

"slime enemy"

"skeleton enemy"

AND THEN THOSE ARE ASSIGNED DEBUFF VULNERABILITIES

😭

[dull heart]

sometimes we need to break the logic

like dog is weak to cold now iirc

[pulsar cobalt]

hey im not saying its good logic just that at least there was a logic

[dull heart]

wait no I think he's neutral

[cobalt wharf]

how

[dull heart]

he's neutral to cold

weak to electric

resists sickness

[cobalt wharf]

makes sense

[dull heart]

those somewhat make sense for him but were also just chosen based on the other bosses and gear around him

[earnest jewel]

Resisting poison makes sense because he's from a different dimension and has an extradimensional immune system.

[pulsar cobalt]

resists sickness cuz earthly sicknesses dont work on his alien body

[earnest jewel]

It's like how Calamitas being weak to poison makes sense because she's a human woman and women can get sick.

[pulsar cobalt]

yea specifically human women get sick

nothing else

[earnest jewel]

She resists fire because she's from hell and is used to it.

She's weak to ice because it reminds her of her dad and she gets upset.

[white aurora]

plantera should be weaker to fire

[earnest jewel]

True!

Because Plantera's a ghost.

And ghosts are banished by flames.

[white aurora]

what

[earnest jewel]

Plantera's a ghost.

[white aurora]

i thought she was a plant

[earnest jewel]

The ghosts are inside the plant.

[dull heart]

tbh

The only reason I even bothered giving DoG the ability to get debuffs was because of stratus gear

[earnest jewel]

DoG should be weak to ice because he's not cool.

[lapis oak]

YES

FINALLY

😭

how about Destroyer and Skeletron

[earnest jewel]

We're giving him debuff absorption, so he turns debuffs into buffs.

Because he's an interdimensional worm so things are backwards or something.

[agile latch]

Well perennial is also dying

Only reaver armor is staying sort of

[dusk bronze]

what about the perennial jade shit

in the grove

also hell yeah scolipede

[agile latch]

Peak turtle, i had it as a possible prismback inspiration on the beggining

Like granting it a cool mossbeard

[agile latch]

That is reaver armor

The weapons are all dying

[dusk bronze]

good

[agile latch]

The 2 bladedge rainbow fans

[dusk bronze]

pls also kill hydrothermic weapons i hate them so much

[polar tide]

GEN 5 MENTIONED ‼️

[agile latch]

Hydrothermic weapons are being lotus flowered

[pulsar cobalt]

hiiii thats totally me i totally love bladegde rainbow

[dusk bronze]

🎉 🎉 🎉

[agile latch]

Hydrothermic set will still have weapons but they will be new weapons (for the most part)

[agile latch]

Unironically?

[pulsar cobalt]

ironically

[lyric trellis]

Still more fans than all the other perennial weapons combined minus viral sprout

[pulsar cobalt]

wats up with hellkite btw

like why is it perennial

who thought "ah yes volcano or well at the time it was fiery greatsword that. that needs an upgrade"

[lapis oak]

unironically

[dull heart]

quagmire

[lyric trellis]

Family Guy

[brave star]

The Simpsons

[boreal edge]

@silk terrace Thoughts

It now shoots rainbows

[dull heart]

Bladedge Rainbow

[boreal edge]

Since it became the Bladedge Rainbow

[dull heart]

like rainbow gun but green

[tiny lark]

I actually completely forgot Perennial did anything except make Life Alloys

[misty wren]

viral sprout is goated

[rare tinsel]

are there any plans for mollusk armor besides some numerical tweaks?

[cobalt wharf]

sorry pal aureate booster

[rare tinsel]

aureate booster my beloved <3

[tiny lark]

I genuinely have never made aureate or any other perennial item I just turn it all into alloys

[rare tinsel]

you should try aureate booster

I don't like it quite as much as Hadarian Wings (fucking love those things) but it's still a fantastic option

[lyric trellis]

Mach speed with style!

[cobalt wharf]

perennial ore if it was good

[dull heart]

Hadarian peak

[lyric trellis]

Everything is wrong

[dull heart]

my favorite weapon

[tiny lark]

I might if I ever get that far on another run, rogue infernum is stuck in pre-boss prehm hell but it doesn’t have a paired wings with Umbraphile until after I beat Golem

so there’s like two-three bosses there I could reasonably use it on before I unlock scoria

[dull heart]

you could still use it after you unlock scoria

it's not like Hadal Mantle is notable

[dull heart]

what are your thoughts on if Hadarian wings had a normal hover instead of a slightly float upwards hover

[rare tinsel]

would appreciate it

[tiny lark]

I could, I just like matching things because they look cooler

[dull heart]

vanity slots <3

[tiny lark]

I rarely ever use mine until like very late in the game

[dull heart]

aureate booster is faster than Hadal Mantle

[tiny lark]

yea

[dull heart]

but less flight time

[tiny lark]

the stuff from golem to fuckin.. deus is easy anyway except for EoL which is not a fight I actually have to pick as Rogue

unlike summoner run

like im not really concerned when basically every boss after plantera was significantly easier than it was (and that was ENTIRELY my own fault)

so i will do fun things :D

[distant raft]

why does it have eidolon wyrm but not reaper shark or colossal squid

[tiny lark]

I don’t even know

I might have not placed them

If I didn’t assume they got put in the “out of progression” tier

[tiny lark]

If I had to put any of the minibosses here squid actually should be in the 10-29 tier that dude is an asshole in infernum

But sidemod talk aside aureate should be cool yeah

[mystic eagle]

Fought Provi in "progression" but not Guards

Something might be wrong

[tiny lark]

?

guards are 10-29 attempts

provi is in the tier above it

i fought them in progression

folly 1
guards like 15
prov like 50

[mystic eagle]

How did I mistake QB for Guards

[tiny lark]

[tiny lark]

the only major progression skip was EoW because BAD BOSS so I killed it with a character that may or may not have been post scal/exos

and because I had already killed it before in my first attempt at infernum

[hasty hawk]

yet

[tiny lark]

gulp

I like EoL anyway this isn’t a problem but awesome

[cobalt wharf]

he’s been saying this for like 2 years don’t worry

[tiny lark]

I am never worried

[storm timber]

@cinder raptor do you agree with this tier list

[dull heart]

I can fix that

[wicked temple]

meow

[white aurora]

wawa

[shell sapphire]

[tranquil maple]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😬 😬 🤐

[wicked temple]

meow

[white aurora]

wawa

[median escarp]

OUG

That certainly makes things more difficult

[median escarp]

Plaguebringer goliath was really difficult for me

[tiny lark]

fucking awesome

ravager anything is awesome, one of my favorite bosses aesthetically but the fight is unfortunately very easy in basecal and in infernum, so any improvements to it are Awesome

[dull heart]

we'll see how it turns out

[versed heart]

Is that first image supossed to show that it doesn't allow the player to go through? Maybe also not dealing any damage
if not it seems pretty cryptic

[spark kiln]

infernum did ravager justice by also being one of the worst bosses in the mod

heartwarming

[dull heart]

Yes

[stuck kite]

just mine them trust

[lyric trellis]

People aren’t ready for the picksaw meta

[stuck kite]

shroomite digging claws clear. i fear

[lyric trellis]

What about the wulfrum turtles

[high scaffold]

so spoilerous

[tiny lark]

The chudling ❤️

He does nothing and then sometimes he does something and it happens to be Very Annoying

[pulsar cobalt]

it already doesnt deal damage if not moving

[versed heart]

Haven't played Calamity in a while, so huh

[pulsar cobalt]

part of the conditional contact damage changes

[dull heart]

laser drill*

Oh also I did this to both Virid and Exaltation now

[tiny lark]

waow..

[dull heart]

their cooldowns only progress while holding the item

if you don't hold the item the cooldown will return to full

I just finished Virid and I feel very satisfied with it

have a tooltip spoiler

[dull heart]

and also it just so happens that despite CV being immune to Sage Poison entirely this still does fairly well for it

good old minions with infinite piercing

[lapis oak]

cool!

[pulsar cobalt]

do the swords use the current ai or a new one?

[dull heart]

current one tweaked

mostly so the horizontal stab actually works instead of being bugged

[pulsar cobalt]

also i assume it summons axes then swords right?

[dull heart]

yea

[pulsar cobalt]

this seems like a

highly commital weapon

[tiny lark]

ermmmmm…..poison is misspelled

[dull heart]

Shh

[tiny lark]

emmmmmm

[pulsar cobalt]

sage poision

my favourite debuff

[tiny lark]

you’re secrets have been Revealed

cool weapon though

big fan of sage poison

[dull heart]

how so

[pulsar cobalt]

imo wouldnt it be better if it paused charging instead of reset charge because like

nothings stopping u from switching weapons after using the left click, whipping, then switching back

[dull heart]

the point is to make it not really usable with whips

[tiny lark]

okay that makes sense

cuz i knew duration of kaleido was 4s

[lapis oak]

Seashine Hilt also reset cooldown if you switch

[valid crypt]

Wait for cooldown to end
Whip
Use ability with boost

[dull heart]

the cooldown resets when you switch items

[valid crypt]

Oh even when cooldown is done?

[dull heart]

yes

[valid crypt]

O ok

[floral yew]

would it be helpful to put that in the tooltip or would people figure it out eventually?

[pulsar cobalt]

a

[pulsar cobalt]

it says in the tooltip

"requires holding this item"

[floral yew]

yeah i know that
im just talking about the reset thing

[granite smelt]

@pulsar cobalt your 3 messages were hidden due to likely being a spammer 🥀

its gone now

lmao

[pulsar cobalt]

yea i got hacked, thankfully there was actually only one spam message, only to one person

i changed my password

[granite smelt]

ah

[valid crypt]

Oh huh

[dull heart]

it's pretty obvious when using it for any amount of time

what the tooltip says is enough

plus the precursor item (Igneous Exaltation) works the same way

[arctic cliff]

AN UPGRADE TO VIRAL SPROUT AND EXALTATION?!?

[median sand]

is DO NOT. in base nameless deity?

[arctic cliff]

Wrong chat

(Do not use the spray on the deity)

[median sand]

oh sorry. is that for addon talk?

[arctic cliff]

Yes

Petition to rename this chat to future-content-talk because the current name is ultra-confusing

[pastel comet]

https://tenor.com/view/yharim-calamity-mod-gif-3460410180494450897

Calamity spoiler ^

The embed being denied makes this funnier

[dusk bronze]

real

[brave star]

When the embed is cinema

[silk terrace]

if bladedge railbow has 0 fans i'm dead

[tribal isle]

changelog in 2 deltarune chapters

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[floral yew]

i mean i agree with this

-# message didn't Send,

[dull heart]

rip

[dull heart]

Exaltation is old news tbh

but yeah Virid is back to being exaltation 2

[dusk bronze]

gg

[viral merlin]

SSO this year

[halcyon seal]

we need more trans genocidal god-king rep

[arctic cliff]

the news is that two of my favorite summon weapons are being combined in their upgrade

[dull heart]

it's peak

[tropic jolt]

Ermm Yharim literally killed people? This is problematic…..

[tribal isle]

Yharim the god of rebirth is woke and gay
Yharim the idfk (our timeline) is bigoted and homophobic

[earnest jewel]

Wait, really? Unfollowing.

[earnest jewel]

There was no way Yharim was perfect ascending.

[tribal isle]

why?

[versed heart]

Killing a sapient being ig?

For one

[tribal isle]

I'm pretty sure yharim wasn't the biggest dragon fan before him and yharon bonded

[earnest jewel]

Based on all possible data, Yharim shouldn't know how to perfectly ascend and likely didn't have the requirements, although that is speculation.

[earnest jewel]

What?

[versed heart]

OH Idk why I thought by perfect ascending you meant morally perfect if he ascended
(started typing this before you replied "What?" to me btw)

[earnest jewel]

I don't think he'd be that either.

[misty wren]

and also hes an asshole so he wouldnt want the same domain as someone else

[grave geyser]

I do not think yharim "genocide" godseeker would have issues killing sapient beings

[misty wren]

alternative answer is copyright law

[earnest jewel]

If you're unaware, 'perfect ascending' refers to a god sharing a domain with the dragon they got their soul from. If you want more, head to lore discussion.

[versed heart]

I know what it is, just forgot about it for a bit cause it wasn't relevant for a while

[tribal isle]

So if you ascended imperfectly instead of becoming the God of primordial light you become the God of lightbulbs? Am I getting this right?

[earnest jewel]

Maybe.

Depends.

[versed heart]

Well they were talking about if he ascended instead of becoming friends with Yharon, so we don't know how much of the genocidal and other questionable stuff started after that. Probably already existed before, though, because it might be unlikely he'd have gotten that far if he was very against it

[earnest jewel]

Oh, it would be worse if he ascended.

[versed heart]

Why?

[earnest jewel]

Better explained in lore discussion at this point.

[versed heart]

Fair

[tropic jolt]

Meet lore man

7,000,000 lore references 0 gameplay appearances

[versed heart]

Hopefully that'll be changed for the most part

[vivid hemlock]

-100 reddit gold

[dusty tinsel]

If yharim had taken Yharon's soul he wouldn't be the god of rebirth because the domain would have changed names lol and maybe slightly what it's about

I don't know what it would be though. God of not dying

[dusk bronze]

the general consensus here is god of eternity

[dull heart]

god of yha

[sterile moss]

“When” and “if” but never “is”

[hard hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-hes-right-you-know-hes-right-you-know-meme-gif-27526609

[raw pendant]

The God of immortality

That's probably what yharim would've been

[tropic jolt]

the god of lore items

[dusty tinsel]

the god of god killing

god of true

[floral yew]

7,000,000 lore references 1 gameplay appearance

[tribal isle]

the couple of dialogue lines in boss rush do not count 😭

[floral yew]

im talking about when he gets implemented :rollface:

[tropic jolt]

when does yharim speak in boss rush

[tribal isle]

shi i thought we were talking about xeroc

same goes for yharim but change boss rush for lore items

[tropic jolt]

I wonder if yharim will be in boss rush

my hope is that boss rush doesnt exist by the time yharim is added

[tribal isle]

how would we get

the rock

tho

[tropic jolt]

something more creative than boss rush

the best part of a revamp would be actually getting to hear any of the boss rush themes for more than 30 seconds

[dull heart]

I mean

boss rush itself will likely still exist

but we'll make it better

[lyric trellis]

Dead last in the list of priorities though

[raw pendant]

Wouldn't say that

They'll probably get to it within the next couple years

[dull heart]

It's pretty far down there

[misty wren]

its not dead last but its somewhere around on life support last

[raw pendant]

I think at least we need most boss reworks, Endgame weapon reworks, exo armor, Full shadow spec armor, and the boss rush themes fully done

[misty wren]

not really

[dull heart]

I think the main thing holding back boss rush is just

[misty wren]

most of that is entirely optional for boss rush to be good

[dull heart]

it takes a lot of work that we can use in more important places

[fathom girder]

Boss rush should do that obnoxious thing all final bosses do in slop games where like

it's

WAIT

[raw pendant]

But they all tie in

[dull heart]

not really

[fathom girder]

I was just about to suggest that one meme boss from years ago lmao

[misty wren]

hell even boss reworks arent even that important for it

[raw pendant]

Boss rush should be revisited when that stuff is done

[dull heart]

The gear isn't really relevant to making boss rush good

[raw pendant]

Because boss rush can be tied in with all of those better

Without needing more changed when they are done

[dull heart]

boss reworks are relevant but not from a boss rush design perspective

[tribal isle]

im sure getting evil 2 post moonlord is like at the top of the priority list

[dull heart]

Since boss rush isn't going to be unique ai

it could happen whenever we want just the same but nobody cares to do it

[raw pendant]

Well that's because

[tropic jolt]

ive always been a little confused about what the point of having 5 tiers of boss rush is when you shred the first 3 with no effort

[misty wren]

like with the current baseline bosses as long as boss rush does something to make bosses actually interesting and threatening it all can work fairly well

[raw pendant]

Theres a long anticipated update needing to come out

Plus some other things

Then people will probably care

[dull heart]

even beyond that

we have a lot more stuff that we'd want to do first

[raw pendant]

Especially when the full boss rush soundtrack is done

[misty wren]

even beyond sso there are more important things to do than boss rush

[raw pendant]

Right now we only technically have 2 out of 5 done

Because remakes

[pulsar cobalt]

i think boss rush should just be slowly improved upon with whenever bosses are reworked

[raw pendant]

Boss rush tier 2 is near done

Tier 3 and 5 not started

[dull heart]

I do think that one of the two things most likely to be a catalyst for changing boss rush is either boss rush soundtrack finishing or just everything else being done

[misty wren]

a WHAT

[pulsar cobalt]

cuz if u dont do that, then ull be spending effort on 40 bosses at the same time

which is

not ideal

[dull heart]

The third catalyst is someone gets bored if another SSO type thing happens again

[raw pendant]

Bro that should not be an if

It shouldn't happen again

[dull heart]

the changes boss rush would receive would be fundamental, not anything to individual boss ai

[dull heart]

nobody wants it to happen again

but due to the whole being a volunteer project thing nobody can guarantee it won't either

[raw pendant]

Like literally I imagine yharims update will just be the Aerie and yharim plus like a couple small things

And that's it

Unless they wanna do xeroc and noxus in that update

but

That depends heavily

On motivation and what's still needing to be added and shit

[misty wren]

you're also talking updates that are years away and happening literally at the ass end of development

[dull heart]

I don't think we'd plan on adding Xeroc and Noxus at the same time

[misty wren]

theres a whole lot of stuff happening between now and yharim

[dull heart]

eh I don't think it's that insane

but I also don't think we'll do that

not because it would be too much work but because we simply won't want to

[raw pendant]

I honestly think noxus could be Distortion update, hear me tf out

[misty wren]

no

[raw pendant]

It's not likely

But who says it's impossible

[dull heart]

no

[misty wren]

it could in fact not be distortion

[dull heart]

I do

[raw pendant]

Shit

Maybe it's true then

[misty wren]

noxus is in no way shape or form existing as a boss in calamity before yharim

[dull heart]

Distortion is the one update that might rival SSO in size due to needing to make an entire subworld and rework DoG again

[raw pendant]

Lowkey true

Yharim and Noxus then maybe?

[tribal isle]

what update is yharon resprite or rework or whatever the fuck he's getting

[raw pendant]

Idk

[misty wren]

no

[raw pendant]

Maybe seperate

[misty wren]

yharim and noxus are going to be separate things

[dull heart]

make the 5 tiers each harder, longer, and actually a threat

but in exchange make it so you can skip straight to any tier you've made it to already

[tribal isle]

im REALLY hoping calamity mod doesnt get abandoned after yharim because having the whole distortion subworld and not ever meeting john distortion in person would be sucky

[dull heart]

I don't think we'll want anything stealing the spotlight in the yharim update

[raw pendant]

I think the health shit is so dumb lol

Early bosses are piss easy

But deal so much goddamn damage

[dull heart]

deserved

[tropic jolt]

that does sound interesting but how could this be done without making the bosses feel like unfair boring sponges

[dull heart]

I mean

[raw pendant]

I mean

[pulsar cobalt]

good ai

[tropic jolt]

jinx

[pulsar cobalt]

for starters

not just "boss but sped up"

[dull heart]

If you had the bosses be half their normal fight length

bang

[raw pendant]

Exacltt

[pulsar cobalt]

30 second eoc

🔥

[dull heart]

Boss rush probably will not have any unique ai

[tribal isle]

make yharim, exo mechs, calamitas and yharon tier 1 and super mega buffed king slime is tier 5

[dull heart]

At least it doesn't have any in 2.1

[raw pendant]

More like 1.5 minute

Average is like

[misty wren]

eoc testing time is like a minute 30

[raw pendant]

2.5-3.5 minutes

[tropic jolt]

I just don't see how its possible to make a hardmode boss for instance be difficult without increasing its speed to the point of telefragging the endgame player

[misty wren]

if even that

[dull heart]

EoC is 1:30 of a boss

[raw pendant]

Okay but like

You assume all bosses will be exactly half their original time

[pulsar cobalt]

its 130

115 post ds

[raw pendant]

I garunteee it'll vary

[kindred night]

make it so the boss rush makes the bosses rush and now everything moves at mach 3

[dull heart]

spawn multiple at once

[misty wren]

no

[raw pendant]

So like

Eoc could easily be 70%

But Cryogen like 35%

EXAMPLE

[pulsar cobalt]

doze

just

no

[dull heart]

boss rush but it's all 42 bosses at the same time

with RDR that lasts the entire boss rush soundtrack length

[raw pendant]

Guys tier 2 will be so hype yall are not fucking ready

[tropic jolt]

🔥

[lyric trellis]

Boss duos

[tropic jolt]

I am ready

[raw pendant]

No

Your not

[tropic jolt]

I AM READY

[misty wren]

leviana

[raw pendant]

My personal estimate?

[dull heart]

wall of flesh and calclone duo fight 🔥

[raw pendant]

Tier 2 E will be out in like Mid october

[lyric trellis]

Now imagine that for every boss except good

[raw pendant]

But

It depeneds

[tropic jolt]

but the silksong consumes all

[raw pendant]

On if cd has ideas for the remainder of the song which isn't long

[dull heart]

Insert September-October meme

[raw pendant]

Not exactly, maybe for right now

[dull heart]

Honestly if we did do custom AI calclone WoF would actually be a really interesting pairing

could do a lot with that

[raw pendant]

What

You mean like duos?

Thats cool asf

How about

All mechs together

[misty wren]

god i hate that

[raw pendant]

But adjusted so they work together

[tropic jolt]

like some kind of mechdusa?

🤔

[raw pendant]

Kinda?

But not mech dusa

[dull heart]

all mechs together but they use exo mech ai

[raw pendant]

Dude

[lyric trellis]

Some kinda, mecha mayhem

[raw pendant]

Exo ai is so shit

They need reworked bad

I used to think they were cool

Nah

[white aurora]

right now it is but we don't know what they'll be like in this hypothetical future

[raw pendant]

Definitely alot cooler and expansive

But

[white aurora]

if this were to be implemented it would be cool af

[raw pendant]

I dont know any specifics

[misty wren]

nah imma be real

[raw pendant]

There are none

Yet

[misty wren]

they just need to be un-neutered

[raw pendant]

But less unfair and shit

And have combo attacks

[lyric trellis]

Considering every dev basically wants exos reworked, I can’t imagine it taking too long

[raw pendant]

They need the new dog treatment

[lyric trellis]

Relative to other things anyway

[raw pendant]

Crazier but more fair

Which is possible yes

Very possible

But it just takes time to execute properly