it was a good one
#calamity-update-talk
thorny glacier
it fell off after 1.9
tribal isle
nostalgia blinded
thorny glacier
yeah :(
tribal isle
i cant believe people voted for flying rats instead of a chad buffed blaze miniboss
dull heart
It fell off after infdev
pseudo pine
1.18 was the cave and mountain worldgen
yeah 1.18 was peak
dusk bronze
literally 
halcyon seal
minecraft didnt fall off im gonna be real
like the game is still good
prob still gonna be good for almost ever
and like yeah id prefer if mojang did bigger updates but also they prob have like 12 trillion steps to adding literally anything
gentle cliff
rebecca the tectonics knower
native thistle
They do work like that
dusty tinsel
Minecraft more like Craftmine
valid crypt
rebecca the tectonics knower
True
vivid hemlock
you are not a sumerian bro stop speaking ancient akkadian
thorny glacier
changelogs tomorrow
earnest jewel
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earnest jewel
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misty wren
fine ill hit a crab with a brick too
stone zephyr
no go on
fathom girder
Doze wtf
fierce hearth
umm my shapes :)
distant raft
new visuals 👀
dull heart
that is one of two things shown here yea
brave star
Circular dashes
distant raft
wait its the fuckin
jump out of dahs
this will certainly fuck up muscle memory for inf dog (deserved)
dull heart
the dash movement itself is unchanged
well, valor got slightly changed (12 -> 12.5 mid-dash speed because Ornate also had 12.5 already)
what you can see here is the ram duration not lasting the whole dash length
fathom girder
what you *can* see here is the ram duration not lasting the whole dash length
that's a neat idea
making rams a timed thing like a parry will be cool
dull heart
it's still pretty lenient (especially on later rams) but no more of those random rams happening like 2 seconds after you dash
fathom girder
what if... slagsplitter pauldron... turned rams into a tightly timed ram that did more damig...
cobalt wharf
reinventing parries
grave geyser
they are
we dont need a third parry with a different name
fathom girder
YES WE DO
cobalt wharf
you can emulate this yourself by binding the dash and parry buttons to the same key
dull heart
you can emulate this yourself by holding Brand of the Inferno and right clicking when you dash
dull heart
no it doesn't
that's just wrong
did you know you can get a full 60 iframes from parrying with it with cross necklace on
on top of 5x dmg to your next melee hit
cobalt wharf
parry is good
brand of inferno is bad
you dont parry then use brand of inferno
you cheat the system
60 iframes on a contact damage only parry that actually slows speed aptly is not crazy btw
versed heart
If you're able to consistently parry with the Brand (or Seargeant Shield) or use it well in specific circumstances, it's pretty overpowered. 5x damage shouldn't be underestimated
Problem is, it's absurdly difficult to consistently parry with it cause it's a tiny hitbox in front of the player (that I think projectiles going fast enough might be able to pass? Should double check that)
cobalt wharf
yeah the overpowered part is the damage increase
being able to apply to any melee weapon
cobalt wharf
If you're able to consistently parry with the Brand (or Seargeant Shield) or use...
you cannot parry projectiles with those items
and im pretty sure the hitbox is identical to player hitbox
dull heart
60 iframes on a contact damage only parry that actually slows speed aptly is not...
it has no endlag or startup time
keep that in mind
it's very low risk
fathom girder
1s inv time ain't terrible
cobalt wharf
shield gets to basically ignore this tho
cobalt wharf
except calamity SUCKS because it disables the parry or something
cobalt wharf
the boost i mean
dull heart
yeahh
cobalt wharf
no fun allowed
cobalt wharf
just make the buff disappear when switching weapons if it’s a genuine concern
dull heart
I feel like that was probably a nerf like amphibian boots
Where it was done out of fear of what might happen instead of out of response to something happening
cobalt wharf
i think that’s more along the lines of fabsol watching a video of one specialized speedkill but yeah
stuck kite
no one used brand of the inferno and it got shat out
fathom girder
Could always edit the buff to scale inversely based on weapon damage ig
to make it only be a 100% boost for one hit on endgame weapons or sumn
stuck kite
it was definitely a fabsol being anti speedkill moment
cobalt wharf
psycho knife is worse about that
stuck kite
jousting lance formula too but i think the formula is
at least a net buff if you dont abuse
dull heart
psycho knife is worse about that
how so
fathom girder
higher multi
fathom girder
but idk how you could apply it to another weapon
dull heart
no it's just melee
cobalt wharf
o
dull heart
it does apply to best class scaling things or ram dashes bc they're melee
but you can't psycho your minions for example
fathom girder
...well
cobalt wharf
my melee minions
fathom girder
psycho knife slagsplitter pauldron build is the next thing I'm gonna do
I didn't realize it did that
stuck kite
thats like stealth strike on best class damage accessories
dull heart
Psycho Knife solar armor is genuinely one of the meta options for providence
fathom girder
that's amusing
dull heart
however
Don't forget that psycho Stealth makes you super slow and is lost if you take damage
cobalt wharf
how is the stealth thing with highest scaling class still alive in basecal 😭
stuck kite
it wont be
dull heart
2.1 kills it for rogue stealth yea
stuck kite
but like
cobalt wharf
i guess stealth hasn’t been around much
cobalt wharf
but that’s an insane oversight still
cobalt wharf
i think we literally patch it out in dlc
dull heart
psycho knife slagsplitter pauldron build is the next thing I'm gonna do
Try rogue armor slagsplitter
stuck kite
it was introduced rather recently
stuck kite
i dont feel like digging changelog to see when best class damage got introduced but its like
a 2.0s thing
vocal kelp
when what
stuck kite
damage calculation method of certain classless attacks that uses the player's highest damage from any given class
before it existed it was either only boosted by generic class damage ie. avenger emblem or doesn't get boosted at all
dull heart
somedays I consider going through vanilla gear and making it scale with best class just for fun
stuck kite
have fun with mounts
fathom girder
make stardust guardian scale with best class...
dusk bronze
true
vocal kelp
This is reasonable but it still makes us feel like Can You Not Add A Mechanic For Five Minutes?!
stuck kite
is it really a mechanic though
dull heart
this is more of a consistency thing than a mechanic
vocal kelp
wed say its a mechanic for lack of a better term
vocal kelp
That's worse
dull heart
this is literally just a balance change
stuck kite
quirk of balancing
vocal kelp
this is true
vocal kelp
Which is why we suggest rogue simply be removed
Easy fix !
dull heart
I could go rework the rest of the Saros line since I already did Sirius or something
vocal kelp
We don't have an actual joke here srry
fathom girder
we?
dull heart
I should go rewatch kpop demon hunters
vocal kelp
it's not like there's much better to do
We mean we'd hope these things aren't done out of pure boredo m
fathom girder
WHO IS WE
vocal kelp
Unless you mean fixing the stealth thing
fathom girder
I see
stuck kite
those who
dull heart
Unless you mean fixing the stealth thing
That's already been done
vocal kelp
Those who read pronouns field
dull heart
We mean we'd hope these things aren't done out of pure boredo m
I mean it's a combination of wanting to improve calamity and boredom
stuck kite
because update
combination of wanting to work on calamity and doing other things
ie. the elephant in the room
stuck kite
yay
vocal kelp
well historically we've made clear what our stance on balance is so we guess that's where this particular question came from
moving on! direct on Friday
brave star
Sameeee
vocal kelp
Can't wait for no silksong news
brave star
I’m gonna enjoy the Nintendo news
dull heart
Changing all vanilla non scaling armor/accessories to be scaling with best class is one of those things that would benefit to be consistent
brave star
What y’all guessing there will be in the direct
dull heart
but also is super super low priority
stuck kite
i dont think i have anything to look out for
dull heart
Hence it falls into one of the "I don't have another better to do" pool of things
vocal kelp
more related when is this update dropping it's getting kind of old
stuck kite
ill find out if something big shows up later
dull heart
more related when is this update dropping it's getting kind of old
once it all finished
vocal kelp
i dont think i have anything to look out for
We don't think most people actively do at the moment
stuck kite
when the sprites are cooked up
dull heart
there's still a bunch of stuff needing to be done (mostly sprites)
misty wren
more related when is this update dropping it's getting kind of old
every time someone asks it gets pushed back one fargo year
dusk bronze
What y’all guessing there will be in the direct
deltarune ch5 trailer
vocal kelp
there's the obvious lingering wants but silksong was the last big thing people were actively holding their breaths for
vocal kelp
in any case it's a whole hour of direct so there's gonna be some big announcements
misty wren
metroid prime news
dull heart
there's plenty of things that still can be coded that don't have final sprites
but all of those things for 2.1 already have assigned people
stuck kite
directs are usually just anything else idrc for
vocal kelp
A new animal crossing and a new mario maker are in the realm of likely
dull heart
I haven't watched a direct in like 3 years
brave star
deltarune ch5 trailer <:XD:936106628833488906>
Most certainly 
misty wren
i dont think ive ever seen a direct
stuck kite
dull heart
now that stuff is gonna be a lot for switch 2 I especially don't really care for tuning in to the directs
brave star
I like the avatar portal-like pfp btw
dull heart
I don't have a switch 2 and will not be getting one soon
far higher priorities to purchase
stuck kite
switch 2 is a thing as well yeaj
brave star
It’s almost like an alt map icon for avatar phase 1
vocal kelp
we always watch directs wdk
We've never had money for anything either
most games we get really late
dull heart
yeah makes sense
I just don't particularly have a reason to watch them and I have other things to do with my time
dull heart
between spending an hour watching a direct or watching 3 episodes of an anime I'm interested in, I'd rather go watch 3 episodes
vocal kelp
If we had the money we'd trade our switch in for one right now
we wouldn't really have a reason not to if we like were in the theoretical financial position
it'd get us a system we can be sure fornite won't bail out of in a year or two! Can't wait to be left forniteless
dull heart
my only reason not to is that I'm super stingy with money and I don't really need it
vocal kelp
It sounds mad funny but it's legit kinda sad
tropic jolt
What y’all guessing there will be in the direct
hades 2 release date (coping)
dull heart
well, aside from currently not even having an income and getting by off savings
but if I had one I don't think it'd change anything
I would probably buy a steam deck though
vocal kelp
we're basically now being assuredly and slowly just priced and harwared out of gaming for a While,
When we got the switch in like 2019 we rlly just knew it'd be the last console we'd be gifted
Fear the day even small indie games kinda just stop running on our pc
Hopefully we've got another one by then though
This is related to calamity because it runs like fucking shit
stuck kite
its a miracle i played cal on 4gb of ram for years and years
vocal kelp
it's been a while now since we last played but it's frankly impressive we could put up with playing this mod at like 12 fps for so long
dull heart
anything I say is related to calamity because of the c next to my name
vocal kelp
Went up to pbg in inf entire thing ran at 8 fps
We're objectively one of the strongest terraria players
dull heart
Even when I specifically say it's not a calamity spoiler people will still ask if it's calamity
vocal kelp
We don't care about your nohits
stuck kite
i think basecal hasnt been very laggy for me even though i was eating scraps
but modpacks yeah it was bad.
do not modpack
if you're pc is a shitter it will kill
vocal kelp
Our pc runs gtnh probably its strongest powerscaling feat
Can run gtnh but not silksong
insane
stuck kite
i can run silksong but not ori 2 💔
stuck kite
ori 2 is a bitch to run
dull heart
I just booted it up on my laptop yesterday and surprisingly it is running pretty well
goodness Ori 2 is so fun
probably my favorite metroidvania except Super Metroid
lapis oak
damn Ori 2
I haven't finished it
played it in like 1 session and never booted it up again
maybe tomorrow...
dull heart
DO IT
If that session didn't get you to Bash then you're missing out so much
It's not an Ori game until you unlock Bash
dull heart
Oh you made it pretty far
dusk bronze
#calamity-ori-talk
dull heart
I have considered making an Ori inspired item before
lapis oak
🥹
dull heart
wait NVM I literally have made an Ori inspired item
I forgot about the goat Galileo Gladius
grave geyser
how spoilerous
cobalt wharf
ori inspired items but its rivals of aether ori
native thistle
Calamity bob
analog helm
calamity bobra
eternal robin
I forgot about the goat Galileo Gladius
what it even got to do with ori
dull heart
what it even got to do with ori
you'll see
eternal robin
is it being reworked
dull heart
The whole Stratus set is being reworked yeah
eternal robin
-# 👀
dull heart
And Stratus Sphere is being revived
pseudo pine
The whole Stratus set is being reworked yeah
is it going to be more support items, especially with the stratus sphere returning?
pseudo pine
yes and no
i assume that means some weapons will get the support treatment and others will be main weapons?
dull heart
most of them are not really support except for to other Stratus items
dull heart
the entire Stratus set shares a mechanic called Starbursts, where each weapon both has a way to generate and consume starbursts
since they all have different generation methods and starbursts are shared between all the items, they can be support for each other by generating starbursts
dull heart
will all Bloodflare weapons when reworked be support?
No
dull heart
They'll keep the ability to help you survive longer
But the only support is Claret Cannon
pseudo pine
got it
dull heart
also only half of bloodflare is reworked, the other half just had its lifesteal replaced with Bloodflare Blood Orbs
pseudo pine
also, i think i heard this somewhere, but is Triactus's True Paladinian Mage Hammer of Might getting removed or reworked?
pseudo pine
also only half of bloodflare is reworked, the other half just had its lifesteal ...
now im curious what those are
is it lifesteal?
dull heart
stone fiber
🔥🔥🔥 
main estuary
hey guys
john calamity here, the updates been canceled
stone fiber
yeah 1.18 was peak
Peak? Like the game Peak?
stone fiber
being able to apply to any melee weapon
Oh so that's where the sheath idea for Thorium came from 
lusty stirrup
fishron today?
stone fiber
i think we literally patch it out in dlc
What dlc?
stone fiber
make stardust guardian scale with best class...
Make minecarts scale with best class
thorny glacier
changelogs tomorrow
thorny glacier
fishron today?
unlikely:(
stone fiber
Hence it falls into one of the "I don't have another better to do" pool of thing...
*anything
stone fiber
I like the avatar portal-like pfp btw
The what?
lusty stirrup
unlikely:(
fishron tomorrow
stone fiber
also, i think i heard this somewhere, but is Triactus's True Paladinian Mage Ham...
It's getting resprited and reworked yeah 
thorny glacier
fishron tomorrow
true
iron dew
triactis hammer of super long name
dusty tinsel
Rename it to the Sydney big boy
analog helm
Big hammer
ok gerson ,
uneven fractal
triactis hammer of super long name
triactis true paladin mage hammer of might truly is the calamity weapon of all time
twin bloom
ouh
analog helm
hyah hyah no embed perms
twin bloom
no perms 😔
torn kite
Calamtiy
celest bobcat
how spoilerous are we today 
late eagle
THE FIRST CAL DEV TO POST A SPOILER RIGHT NOW WILL RECEIVE A 🍨
dull heart
proof?
molten grove
THE FIRST CAL DEV TO POST A SPOILER RIGHT NOW WILL RECEIVE A 🍨
Silva Leggings crit chance reduced from 12% to 11%
uneven fractal
Silva Leggings crit chance reduced from 12% to 11%
🍨
molten grove
thorny fjord
Silva Leggings crit chance reduced from 12% to 11%
This will ruin the games balance
thorny glacier
changelogs tomorrow
brave star
What is YuH’s favorite food
cedar scarab
what is yhon's favorite food
fathom girder
Chkn nuget
thorny glacier
cannibalism
soft plover
grave geyser
Silva Leggings crit chance reduced from 12% to 11%
my armor mixing!!! D:
dense sundial
triactis hammer of super long name
Triactis’s True Paladinian Mouthful
iron dew
Silva Leggings crit chance reduced from 12% to 11%
what does this even solve?? 😭
dull heart
balance restored
hard hearth
22
tropic jolt
42
fathom girder
Triactis's slophammer
hard hearth
slopmaxxing
tropic jolt
Triactis's slophammer
wheres the gemhammer
dull heart
wheres the gemhammer
tropic jolt
name isnt long enough
pulsar cobalt
yes
lean relic
yes
dusk bronze
very
dull heart
that thing sucks
l take
cobalt wharf
that thing does suck rn
indigo rock
why does it need legs
fathom girder
Anything that smashes evil has legs
Link, mario...
Donkey kong...
They've all got legs
vocal kelp
They're not wrong you know
dull heart
Anything that smashes evil has legs
not true
fathom girder
Proof
tropic jolt
doze's invoked evil smasher of pwnage
hardy phoenix
and it's smashed plenty of spiders
well spiders aren't evil
hardy phoenix
if it's smashed HORNETS into oblivion, however...
dull heart
hornet... like...
hardy phoenix
hornet... like...
WAIT NO
dusty tinsel
hard copper
hornet from terraria???
dusty tinsel
hornet from hallowed knight
vocal kelp
my shoe doesn't have legs
Counterpoint: shoe is part of leg
hard copper
hornet from hallowed knight
uh never heard of him
dusty tinsel
fake game
hardy phoenix
I just found the underground ice biome igloo through a minecart somehow???
hardy phoenix
oh wait this is spoiler chat
dull heart
terraria hallowed armor
hardy phoenix
mb
frail owl
hallowed knight like
from mod of redemption...
fierce hearth
Hallowed knight enemy that is inexplicably a bug
New addition to SSO to ensure it never releases, somewhat appropriately
lean relic
Daily 1.4.5 reminder
dull heart
least evil redigit idea
lethal kraken
Daily 1.4.5 reminder
God thats fucked up and i love it
tropic jolt
goblin tinkerers sisyphean boulder of suffering
dull heart
boulder that reduces your max life whenever it hits you
removes all permanent upgrades
lean relic
That sounds like auric boulder
brave star
What if Xeroc Boulder
lean relic
This sounds like Motley Marble from hunt addon
hard copper
https://terrariamods.wiki.gg/wiki/Hunt_of_the_Old_God/Motley_Marble wth didnt know about this, it sounds peak
dusty tinsel
Daily 1.4.5 reminder
incoming torch boulder that reverts all your torches into basic ones to give you bad luck
versed heart
I think Redigit would probably want the opposite of that
dusty tinsel
torch boulder it changes all your torches to biome specific ones to ruin your day
cinder hearth
https://terrariamods.wiki.gg/wiki/Hunt_of_the_Old_God/Motley_Marble wth didnt kn...
Someone should do SCal while dodging this
cinder hearth
incoming torch boulder that reverts all your torches into basic ones to give you...
Sadly relogic removed negative torch luck
lapis oak
I don't think people would call it sadly
hard hearth
fortunately relogic removed negative torch luck
lapis oak
Now that's, that's a better way to say it
hushed hazel
man i remember the day torch god was added
seeing people on reddit say their hardcore worlds got spawncamped because they had too many torches in their house was so fucking funny
good times...
hushed hazel
hushed hazel
Torch GOD
cunning sequoia
gorch todd...
hushed hazel
wait a second...
real axle
gorch todd...
I miss todd ):
queen umbra
seeing people on reddit say their hardcore worlds got spawncamped because they h...
how does that even happen lmao
like how do you have 100 torches in your house, quite literally a fire hazard
hushed hazel
i have no idea
i guess they wanted to light up the underground
and also lived in the underground for whatever reason
final pine
goddamned dwarves
cinder hearth
how does that even happen lmao
like how do you have 100 torches in your house, q...
Maybe for like aesthetics
Or something
queen umbra
Maybe for like aesthetics
Lamps:
queen umbra
Light Furniture in general
They look cool and they make light
desert path
omg SSO
SMario
SGalaxy
OMovie
tropic jolt
hades 2 release date (coping)
hopium
fathom girder
Funny you say that
because they just revealed the release date in the server
lmao
late eagle
Daly SSO News when?
earnest jewel
It's right here. The news? SSO Tomorrow.
thorny glacier
changelogs tomorrow
lean relic
Daily silkson- I mean SSO
royal garnet
12728 days until the time gap between bountiful harvest and sso is the biggest wait for a video game update/sequel of all time (beating beyond the ice palace 1988 and beyond the ice palace 2 2025)
lofty leaf
almost there!
dull heart
just need like 35 more years
clear compass
12728 days until the time gap between bountiful harvest and sso is the biggest w...
Half life 3….
royal garnet
Half life 3….
fair
arctic patrol
half life 0.5
shell sapphire
brave star
Wirether
native thistle
Salami mod
late eagle
sushi mod
agile latch
removes all permanent upgrades
disgusting meat boulder
dull heart
true
brave star
Is it hamborgar meat
dusk bronze
poiler
brave star
Poils ur B E E F
spark kiln
😂😂😂😂 ur too funny bro
viral merlin
SSO never
late eagle
We just need ONE MORE VIDEO to complete the collection 
My autistic brain can't handle this
earnest jewel
I knew it. You're also a Thorium dev!
slate folio
hey guys, imagine an abyss enemy that was a giant hydrothermal worm or something
earnest jewel
Good news.
brave star
hey guys, imagine an abyss enemy that was a giant hydrothermal worm or something
The abyss enemies need huge expansions
(Realistic and new)
slate folio
yea h
brave star
Like a glossamer worm from Alex’s caves based on the real critter
slate folio
this is literally a real animal and its already way cooler than some abyss designs
brave star
Could glossamer be a relative of eidolon
slate folio
imean dude what is this
brave star
whar
slate folio
another bland colorless fish enemy to the pile
brave star
Wh even
brave star
imean dude what is this
Is this a current enemy
misty wren
imean dude what is this
angler fish esque thing iirc
slate folio
waiter! waiter! more voidstone colored fish for absolutely no reason please!
fringe quiver
angler fish esque thing iirc
no its a viperfish ........
brave star
Voidstone layer before the primordial layer
fringe quiver
its literally what the enemys called ........
misty wren
i dont know what that is
fringe quiver
unfortunately it is a very shitty viperfish because its just a voidstone glupshitto
i barely even looks like an actual viperfish
slate folio
glupshitto added to my new vocabulary
earnest jewel
They're black and blue because they make you black and blue.
fringe quiver
theres so much cool things you can do with abyss creature design
yet what we get is the voidstone glupshittos
💔
slate folio
can someone please tell me what was the design philosphy that taught us to make literally everything in ocean biomes the same color as the fucking rocks
fringe quiver
theres like 1 abyss enemy
i actually honestly like the desing of
and its mirag ejelly
that ones actually pretty cool .
misty wren
reaper shark
slate folio
fringe quiver
My one grip with it is that the tentacles look. weird
But i definitely like it FAR more than
every single other abyss enemy
Colossal squid is also like fine.
misty wren
monopalette disease
fringe quiver
Not that greaty but. its fine
fringe quiver
reaper shark
i hate that guy sorry 💔
brave star
Cannonball jellyfish
slate folio
guys lets make every single enemy in a biome the color of shit brown!!
misty wren
monopalette disease
its not an ocean biome exclusive thing
fringe quiver
shit brown biome ❤️
brave star
guys lets make every single enemy in a biome the color of shit brown!!
The shit biome and the piss biome
My beloved
slate folio
bring back tmod monopalettes and the world will heal
halcyon seal
waiter! waiter! more voidstone colored fish for absolutely no reason please!
what did the funny fish do to you
earnest jewel
be born the wrong way
That's racist.
fringe quiver
im literally the fish woman and these fish make me upset
theyre like racist stereotypical depictions of fish so who's the real racist here
brave star
I’m not built different, I’m just built incorrectly
misty wren
that is in fact different
brave star
A bunch of steps on my Lego set instructions misplaced
halcyon seal
theyre like racist stereotypical depictions of fish so who's the real racist her...
these fish politics dont fuck around damn
slate folio
didnt they say (at least pre-fabsolian extinction) that the abyss was barely only getting touchups
halcyon seal
but fr more cool designs for the abyss are always gonna be a good thing
fringe quiver
didnt they say (at least pre-fabsolian extinction) that the abyss was barely onl...
Triangle wanted to like redesign the enemies for a while iirc
So atleast that is basically guaranteed
earnest jewel
They'll probably throw a woman down there at some point.
fringe quiver
I also believe that its getting some worldgen cahnges but
Dont know how drastic they are
misty wren
idk if abyss is getting more worldgen changes
fringe quiver
So atleast that is basically guaranteed
With the redesigning also entailing reworks obviously
Abyss enemies are fucking stupid
brave star
Abyss could use sub sectors like how clam den is a sector of sunken sea
misty wren
that is
earnest jewel
Abyss could use sub sectors like how clam den is a sector of sunken sea
It... has layers?
misty wren
the layers
brave star
It... has layers?
Like ones that go outside of the main layers a bit
halcyon seal
man i wish the underground had like 3 different layers with different loot and enemies spawning in each one
too bad thats not there
slate folio
i love how the stealth mechanic is so underdeveloped and only is realistically taken notice of in prehardmode and even then its extremelt janky
brave star
Kinda like veins in tunnels
halcyon seal
i love how the stealth mechanic is so underdeveloped and only is realistically t...
the what mechanic
fringe quiver
i love how the stealth mechanic is so underdeveloped and only is realistically t...
The stealth mechanic is a mess
halcyon seal
like rogue or
misty wren
i love how the stealth mechanic is so underdeveloped and only is realistically t...
i thought you meant rogue stealth at first
misty wren
like rogue or
abyss stealth
fringe quiver
For one there's literally no reason to ever indulge in it
misty wren
its half baked and not good
halcyon seal
abyss has stealth???
slate folio
no there is a "stealth" feature with abyss enemies
fringe quiver
You can just Kill Things
earnest jewel
I heard Rogue Stealth is going to be taken out back. People don't even know Abyss has its own stealth.
slate folio
it just affects enemy aggro and thats it
misty wren
you're actively incentivized to kill enemies instead of avoid them
because they all drop loot
fringe quiver
The only times you'd care about stealth in any capacity would be if you went to like layer 3 or lower in pre hardmode
But like
you have
no reasn
to do that
at all
halcyon seal
why would you go to layer 3 anyways 😭
all the loot you want is in layer 1 or 2 right
earnest jewel
Terminus and do Boss Rush early.
fringe quiver
yeah .
slate folio
exactly like
the stealth would only be useful if you didnt instantly fucking explode going down one more layer in prehardmode
and even then whats the point
misty wren
ok but terminus is actually useful in multiplayer
earnest jewel
and even then whats the point
Early Boss Rush.
slate folio
abyss has no loot in layer 3 aside from scoria which only appears more than halfway through the game
misty wren
ok but terminus is actually useful in multiplayer
cant despawn bosses via relogging so you just terminus despawn them
earnest jewel
Terminus does that?
misty wren
yeah it despawns all currently living bosses
fringe quiver
How to fix stealth !!!
- Add a few standout powerful enemies to each layer. Like 1 or 2 enemies that you'd actively want to be avoid in every single layer in the point of progression you're meant to be there. So, per example, layer 1 could ahve like two enemies you'd only really be able to fight in early-mid hardmode, layer 2 could have some enemies you'd only be able to fight like late hardmode, layer 3 early post moon lord, layer 4 could just have jared in there since he's basically endgame level anyways, except he'd actually be a threat.
- Make the enemies's AI actually good. There's no point to avoiding enemies if their ai sucks and is easy to counter around anyways.
- Add more ways to interact with stealth - Maybe standing still for a bit increases it, ink bombs that you can throw to make clouds to hide yourself, etc. Just. Anything
thanks for listening to my ted talk
earnest jewel
Make is actually hard to get between layers and give a proper incentive for each layer?
halcyon seal
lowkey crumbling voidstone might cook
fringe quiver
Killing Enemies is ultimately still part of the core design so i think having "regular strenght" enemies in there is fine
But you also need like
misty wren
how to fix stealth !!!
- Rework the formula.
- Rework the formula.
- Rework the formula.
- Rework the formula.
- Rework the formula.
fringe quiver
a few Really Scary Guys
fringe quiver
how to fix stealth !!!
1. Rework the formula.
2. Rework the formula.
3. Rework ...
I'm going into the game design part of it rather than the actual mechanics
That's like
a whole other issue
halcyon seal
how to fix stealth !!!
- remove the abyss
- remove rogue
earnest jewel
If you really want stealth to stay a thing, you could have it so that enemies are naturally extremely strong for the point you're intended to be exploring each area so you can't easily 'just kill them' without getting overwhelmed.
misty wren
I'm going into the game design part of it rather than the actual mechanics
no i mean rogue stealth
and the 7 limbillion formula reworks
fringe quiver
Killing Enemies is ultimately still part of the core design so i think having "regular strenght" enemies in there is fine
But you also need like
a few Really Scary Guys
oop
meant to reply to water
earnest jewel
I hope that Focus thing in the future content docs is cool, if it gets implemented.
misty wren
make breath meter deplete faster while using weapons
fringe quiver
like layer 1 you get like. cannonball jellyfish. toxicatfish. slab crab.
spinosaurus aegyptiacus
halcyon seal
How to fix stealth !!!
1. Add a few standout powerful enemies to each layer. Li...
toxic minnow actually do a great job at the 1st part imo
fringe quiver
Hard disagree tbh
earnest jewel
I was thinking more like Temple of the Ocean King, with the Phantoms.
fringe quiver
Toxic Minnow is not really a enemy you need to avoid at all because you can just like not kill it
And even if you do
It's like
Just a minor incovenience
fringe quiver
I was thinking more like Temple of the Ocean King, with the Phantoms.
Much more like this yeah
halcyon seal
theyre like, the one layer 1 enemy i just try to avoid at all costs
fringe quiver
Not rly that type of avoiding
Bc again theyre not really a threat by themselves
They just do smth annoying when you kill them
SA-X from metroid fusion type beat
or like finding a Bazelgeuse while trying to hunt a Anjanath in mhw
misty wren
metroid fusion saxophone
grave geyser
SA-X from metroid fusion type beat
huh?
earnest jewel
Metroid Fusion, it's like a fake Samus I think.
earnest jewel
It hunts you down and is too strong to fight properly.
fringe quiver
^
earnest jewel
Like, say, the Phantoms in the Temple of the Ocean King.
misty wren
minecraft warden
fringe quiver
yes
earnest jewel
You can fight those, but it's hard without equipment you get later.
fringe quiver
like minecraft warden
grave geyser
It hunts you down and is too strong to fight properly.
evidently I did not backread enough I was just looking at the "do something annoying when killed"
frail owl
hi there john critaquil
halcyon seal
or like finding a Bazelgeuse while trying to hunt a Anjanath in mhw
oh yeah having smth like a bazel in abyss would be really cool
misty wren
minecraft warden
except preferably with a spawn limit so there arent 7 in one city
fringe quiver
i was talking about how i think for the abyss's stealth mechanic to work from a game design standpoint it fundamentally needs you to have an actual reason to hide from enemies
which leads to the thought that
halcyon seal
actually it sounds like hell to implement in any reasonable manner but i wonder if significantly stronger abyss enemies could just fucking kill the weaker ones
fringe quiver
i think in order for stealth to work conceptually
earnest jewel
Phantoms, for instance, CAN be killed under certain conditions, the best one being getting a later weapon, the Phantom Sword. So you could have it so that each layer of the abyss has a 'Phantom type' enemy that's too strong to fight easily until later in the game, where you're just stronger than them.
fringe quiver
each abyss layer needs liek
1 or 2 really fucking scary strong guys taht will eat you alive if you try fighting them
atleast for the stage of progression that layer is meant to be explored at
dusk bronze
true
misty wren
actual dungeon guardian
fringe quiver
so like the Scary Guys of layer 1 would be like. Mid hardmode in strenght probably
earnest jewel
actual dungeon guardian
That's what Primordial Wyrm is for.
fringe quiver
while layer 2 would be late hardmode
layer 3 would be early post ml
layer 4 would be endgame (jared . just . just put jared there
earnest jewel
Far stronger than anything else for that point, but not actually unbeatable, just unfeasible to fight.
misty wren
That's what Primordial Wyrm is for.
no
dusk bronze
primordial wyrm doesn't naturally spawn
halcyon seal
why does abyss specifically kill you for rod anyways
earnest jewel
not an actual dungeon guardian enemy
'The Primordial Wyrm could be considered the Calamity Mod version of the Dungeon Guardian since both are extremely strong enemies that are intended to prevent the player from performing a certain action.'
earnest jewel
why does abyss specifically kill you for rod anyways
Lore reason or gameplay reason?
misty wren
'The Primordial Wyrm could be considered the Calamity Mod version of the Dungeon...
except not really
halcyon seal
gameplay
fringe quiver
except not really
I meannn they kinda are tho
dusk bronze
why does abyss specifically kill you for rod anyways
to prevent you from just teleporting in from the side, yanking terminus and dipping immediately
misty wren
dungeon guardian is a progression lock jared is just kinda there
halcyon seal
to prevent you from just teleporting in from the side, yanking terminus and dipp...
that seems
very oddly specific
halcyon seal
esp when you can do like the same thing with golem for no downside right
fringe quiver
it just said both stop you from doing Something which is true
earnest jewel
Take it up with the wiki writers.
dusk bronze
that seems
it makes you engage with the abyss if you wanna get the main treasure
seems reasonable to me
halcyon seal
is the terminus the main treasure???
misty wren
partially
halcyon seal
i honestly ignore it
earnest jewel
i honestly ignore it
But Boss Rush!
halcyon seal
like the reason im in the abyss is to get scoria or loot the chests or grind for depth cells and lumenyl or get reaper teeth
misty wren
you can just tunnel in and not have much of an issue if you have enough breath
halcyon seal
im not there to get a terminus
earnest jewel
im not there to get a terminus
Then how will you learn Xeroc's riveting lore?
halcyon seal
how will i learn xeroc's a little bitch who can't even fight me himself
misty wren
terminus is very much a side objective
earnest jewel
Xeroc's busy with God Taxes or something.
misty wren
terminus is very much a side objective
you arent going to the abyss specifically for terminus outside of really specific contexts
earnest jewel
But it is the reason to go all the way to the bottom.
halcyon seal
i go all the way to the bottom because idk where the bobbit worms and reaper sharks are
misty wren
but its not the main loot
dusk bronze
i'd count it as the legendary artifact of the abyss
earnest jewel
That's... not a category.
dusk bronze
you know what i'm saying
misty wren
i mean yeah its the abyss shrine item except it doesnt actually have much of a reason to get it
earnest jewel
Boss Rush:
misty wren
boss rush is not a good enough reason to get terminus
earnest jewel
Nameless Deity.
dusk bronze
that's your opinion
earnest jewel
I mean, it's also the mainstream one.
misty wren
people generally dont like boss rush
fringe quiver
I mean yeah but that's a issue with the design of boss rush
By that same logic i could say needing to get certain materials to summon a boss dosen't matter because i think alot of cal bosses are very poorly designed with a few standout ones
I think the Rod of Discord thing is like
a super niche thing that i don't think many people would go for but i don't see anything wrong with wanting to prevent people from doing it
But really at this point
It has grown into less of a "Prevention from people doing xyz" into more of just a Wacky Secret Boss Summon
stone zephyr
make boss rush like pantheon,,,
fringe quiver
I mean
Isn't that basically what it is
You fight all of the bosses in the mod sequentially, with them getting slight changes to ther behavior
It's literally like what the pantheons are no
misty wren
in theory
fringe quiver
Yeah it's just bad because it's in Terraria
And the boss cahnges themselves are
Yeah .
grave geyser
make br like kirby boss rushes (will not work because terraria)
fringe quiver
Fabsol
stone zephyr
not good
fringe quiver
It's another case of
stone zephyr
i personally dont like that the bosses all take like 2 seconds to kill
misty wren
the base concepts are all there its just an issue of shit like that doesnt translate well into terraria
fringe quiver
Fabsol looks at really cool thing in a game that he likes alot so he adds it to his mod but dosen't understand why The Thing From THe Game Is Good so he jsut copies and pastes it to the mod without any of the design changes needed to make it work
dusk bronze
point blank
halcyon seal
point blank damage is so funny
misty wren
is point blank even taken from something
halcyon seal
genuinely never found a point where i noticed it
halcyon seal
is point blank even taken from something
ultrakill
misty wren
ultrakill has point blank??
dusk bronze
no
dusk bronze
it does but it doesn't increase damage
fab fundamentally misunderstood what it did
which is even funnier somehow
earnest jewel
And also undermines the whole point of guns being a ranged weapon.
By making EVERY gun encourage you to not be at a range.
halcyon seal
man i really love grapes, so to show how much i love grapes im gonna add grape flavored candy into Apples: The Video Game
fringe quiver
Ultrakill has a point blank bonus for stlye but it dosen't increase damage
Fab thought it did because shotguns do more damage at point blank
but. but guess what
that's because
you'll never believe it
they're fucking shotguns
halcyon seal
NO FUCKING WAY
earnest jewel
Shotgun spread.
dusk bronze
🤯
grave geyser
shotguns should actually be as accurate as sniper rifles
stone zephyr
hai
dusk bronze
true
misty wren
ultrakill should have a shotgun variant that uses slugs instead i think
dusk bronze
god slayer slug
misty wren
its fucked up because those arent even slugs
versed heart
Calamity should buff all its weapons by making them inflict 8 seconds of bleed but all deal 1 damage and shoot 10 times slower
halcyon seal
BIG NEWS FOR P90 FANS
stone zephyr
calamaty should do soemthing
misty wren
Calamity should buff all its weapons by making them inflict 8 seconds of bleed b...
buffed !
halcyon seal
calamity should DIe. Fuck YOu.
dusk bronze
true!
stone zephyr
my beloved calamity mod
misty wren
calamity should DIe. Fuck YOu.
we should feast upon your flesh
stone zephyr
i havent played you in years
maybe ill play basecal after this update
the bosses better be better
now that the fab is gone ,,
in current devs i trust
sorru for bringing it up
earnest jewel
Fabsol returning with Calamity Fabbed Edition in 2077 (He will never be just a memory.)
dusk bronze
no it's not
stone zephyr
meh its fading already
dusk bronze
i disagree to that 
earnest jewel
its just that nothing has happened since
My boy, this peace is what all true heroes strive for.
earnest jewel
Like, 8% of the Terraria playerbase has Calamity it can't be primarily just for the music.
misty wren
yes its a major contributing factor but you're also entirely ignoring the part where other mods also exist and modding games is very popular
terraria is in the top ten most sold games of all time
earnest jewel
Actually, it's number 11 last I checked.
dusk bronze
earnest jewel
Oh, wait, it's 8.
fringe quiver
the music absolutely is a major reason why calamity got popular to begin with
misty wren
you are conflating calamitys popularity with the popularity of tmod as a whole
fringe quiver
but also
earnest jewel
Must have misremembered.
halcyon seal
dokuro's music is one of the biggest factors for why calamity is big, but one of the other biggest factors for why calamtiy is big
earnest jewel
Sure, without DM Dokuro, it would probably not been as popular, but he's far from the only factor.
halcyon seal
is that calamity is BIG
fringe quiver
😊
halcyon seal
like its easily the biggest content mod in terms of sheer amount of content
and has been that way for a while now
also released at the perfect time, when tmod was right about to get big
misty wren
you have people comparing everything to everything else this isnt a calamity exclusive
halcyon seal
i will say i think addons have made people less willing to play other mods and actually expand their view on terraria modding as a whole but thats a conversation for another time and is mostly irrelevant here
misty wren
the human brain is very good at pattern recognition people are gonna compare shit
earnest jewel
I figured it out, Deltarune is why Calamity got big.
dusk bronze
trur
halcyon seal
Did you know? Deltarune's release influenced Abraham Lincoln to run for Presidency in 1860.
earnest jewel
Oh, I heard about that.
Can't believe Ralsei's iconic line 'Slavery is bad, Kris,' would have moved the hearts of the American people.
The problem being people are more willing to play them?
fringe quiver
the way you act in this chat seems really weird to me alot of the time man im not gonna lie 💔 everytime you come here its like ohh calamity sucks. the CHRONICALLY ONLINE users who like calamity and the BRIGHT MINDED INDIVIDUALS and etc and it honestly just feels like you're trying to get some sort of feeling of superiority by separating yourself from The Masses
dusk bronze
you do??
earnest jewel
That's concerning.
misty wren
youd think that would lead to some personal reflection
fringe quiver
no im ngl i think its literally just you wanting to get a feeling of superiority
misty wren
ngl
earnest jewel
Oh, God, I feel embarrassed just reading that.
fringe quiver
im associated with this communtiy right now and im just fine dude
specially with you using IQ and all like thats damn man
misty wren
using "anybody who's iq is high enough" unironically is. not a good look
fringe quiver
yeah .
earnest jewel
Anyone who brings in 'IQ' to win an argument has lost the argument.
halcyon seal
enlightenment is realizing that iq's best use case is filtering people who think iq means anything
fringe quiver
if you don't wanna be a part of the community then just like dont be man
misty wren
you dont have to be here
halcyon seal
anyways uhhh Sunken Sea Overhaul
fringe quiver
not saying you should like. LEAVE! LEAVE NOW! but also the way ur acting is just kinda weird
earnest jewel
Like, great job, you can pick up patterns and have a reaction time, that doesn't make you a rocket scientist.
fringe quiver
anyways uhhh Sunken Sea Overhaul
september october and such
dusk bronze
november december
fringe quiver
give me a bit
earnest jewel
november december
Shh, the agenda.
dusk bronze
there's a new agenda
misty wren
yes thats
misty wren
how doing something repeatedly works
fathom girder
SSO 2026 - 2050
fringe quiver
i dont really care if you like the mod or not
i just think the way you act is weird
fringe quiver
sso november-december
dude theres like
no drama going on
youre just being melodramatic
fathom girder
you are the drama
earnest jewel
Is it drama if they're just kinda annoying?
halcyon seal
yeah theres like zero drama going on rn lol
dusk bronze
fringe quiver
"sso november-december!"
dusk bronze
kiri i'm going to harvest your organs for this
fringe quiver
they hated amidias because he told them the truth
wicked temple
hello chat
earnest jewel
Hi.
fringe quiver
hi azzy :D
wicked temple
what do u mean by this
lapis oak
I used too much force and spilled the food it's over 🥀
wicked temple
do u mean like ur existence is being mildly inconvenienced or u feel like ur a minor inconvenience
earnest jewel
Probably both.
fringe quiver
I used too much force and spilled the food it's over 🥀
kiriwhite moment !
sorry kiriwhite that was mean of me .
wicked temple
who is kiriwhite
fringe quiver
kiriwhite
earnest jewel
They're just like Kiri, but white.
wicked temple
why think that
earnest jewel
Horrifying, I know.
lapis oak
😔
fringe quiver
yeah they're a white kiri
wicked temple
do u have behaviours that make u think u are
if so then keeping the fact that u have those behaviors in mind in thr future while trying to avoid doing them goes a long way
okay
why does it matter if life is inherently pointless
everything else is too y’know :p
u gotta make the point urself
its not just given to u
ocean jetty
pallid inlet
we jokingly make fun of you for talking about d#### all the time but also like. you will find negativity in any place you look for it
dull heart
too busy watching anime gg
Too busy working on something big actually
brave star
Umbara the demotion
pallid inlet
curate your own experience. your life, to some extent, is what you make of it
brave star
Wasn’t really referencing
brave star
Although I think demotions are common things aosth robotnik gives out
Constantly demoting those dodos
late eagle
Look, instead of focusing on the bad things in communities, it's much better to try to look at the good things.
The Calamity community isn't the best of communities, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have good things in it.
That's what I try to look at
I'm here for the good things
Maybe try talking to a psychologist then Idk
late eagle
ignore the negatives
I don't think ignoring is the right word, it's more about accepting that communities this big have good and bad points.
wicked temple
mhm
desert path
It's really stupid but that one meme of "I like pizza. I want to eat more of it." actually holds true as an idea.
late eagle
If you stay here for bad things, I'm afraid you'll have a bad experience too.
late eagle
It's really stupid but that one meme of "I like pizza. I want to eat more of it....
True I just want ice cream all the time
dull heart
Too busy working on something big actually
(although I am gonna go watch some anime now that it's done)
wicked temple
(although I am gonna go watch some anime now that it's done)
what is the big something
late eagle
Something
polar tide
im gonna be blunt if this is how you think of the people you speak to online when you spend so much time online then it's no wonder you're so miserable
late eagle
I don't know what anime are good these days, I left that a long time ago...
dull heart
what is the big something
Give it a week
dull heart
I don't know what anime are good these days, I left that a long time ago...
I only started 11 weeks ago so
polar tide
my best friends of 11 years are "online friends" and those Pixelated Words On A Screen helped me through the most harrowing moments of my life
dull heart
I definitely don't have any good online friends
late eagle
I entered calcord just for the spoiler gang🔥
It's literally the only place anyone can find me here
smoky gull
late eagle
I don't have online friends
wicked temple
perhaps this is the wrong mindset to have
earnest jewel
What the hell happened here?
misty wren
booo
dull heart
truth - I interact with a lot of people but nobody I'm actually like, good friends with