calamity-update-talk

[shut ridge]

theres no way silksong comes before sso

[fast vessel]

SSO is gonna take another 2-3 years probably.

Aren’t there still like a bunch of arsenal weapons that need to be added?

[dull heart]

no

[lean relic]

Hey Its coming out this year at least

[dull heart]

arsenal weapons are not holding back sso

[fast vessel]

What is then?

[dull heart]

sunken sea stuff

Sunken Sea related stuff is the stuff we can't release the update without finishing

[fast vessel]

Are the critters/enemies just not done yet?

[dull heart]

Arsenal stuff will be released as it is finished

[dull heart]

yes

A lot of things are still wip

[fast vessel]

Is all the arsenal armor and the other armor reworks coming in sso or is that still later?

[dull heart]

Some will be in SSO, some will be later

Depending on when it's finished

[fast vessel]

Is demonshade, godslayer, and Silva coming or is that later?

[dull heart]

Whatever is finished will release when SSO releases

but it's just sunken sea stuff that's actually holding back sso

[dull heart]

no

That's later

[fast vessel]

Is the draedon armor finished yet or is that also still later?

The final tier arsenal I mean.

[shut ridge]

bro is very curious

[fast vessel]

Indeed.

[pulsar cobalt]

me when the answers to these questions are always

"its done when its done"

[lean relic]

That's not coming in sso
The final tier

[fast vessel]

Damn

[lean relic]

the exo armor

anyways

[dull heart]

Most of arsenal will not be in sso

Some will

[rich ginkgo]

no 😭

it’s already been in development for 2 years

my bets are on early 2026

[dull heart]

it's not even been a year and a half smh

[thorny glacier]

is sunken sea finished yet or is it later? are changelogs finished or are they tomorrow?

oh right

[rich ginkgo]

i thought they’ve been working on some of this stuff for 2 years now

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[dull heart]

changelogs are for whenever the update releases

[rich ginkgo]

maybe my memory is just bad

[shut ridge]

its just tier 1 arsenal stuff that is being added to sso though right?

[dull heart]

I don't think so no

[thorny glacier]

splendid

[shut ridge]

o

[dull heart]

whatever's been finished will be in

[shut ridge]

i thought i saw somewhere that it would be lol

[summer shore]

All ranger arsenal

[shut ridge]

i've never played ranger i'm excited to play it when the update comes out

[dull heart]

I'm excited to play Calamity byleth in the update

[thorny glacier]

more ssbu fighters in da future?🤔

[neon shadow]

BREAKING news: Calamity Mod will add new "items" next update

[thorny glacier]

no way

unbelievable

[summer shore]

Always new items but never mew items

Smh

[pulsar cobalt]

this just in

[thorny glacier]

why helicopter?

[pulsar cobalt]

calamity mods next update will change its code

[neon shadow]

kinda fucked up ngl

[summer shore]

@boreal edge dumping you in oil

[dull heart]

meh

[thorny glacier]

understandable

[shut ridge]

we should have the ability to react

[thorny glacier]

… oh shi wait can somebody remind how many days before the thingy?

[summer shore]

0

[shut ridge]

😢

[summer shore]

14 days before silkson!!!!!

g

[azure oak]

5 days

[thorny glacier]

yeah

world ends in 5 days people

[dull heart]

woo

Finally

[lapis oak]

finally?

FUCK

why did that a reply

[thorny glacier]

silksong deniers were right it will never be out

[summer shore]

finality

Of hope....

[thorny glacier]

yippee

[dull heart]

You heard me

[cunning sequoia]

at fluffy

[left sequoia]

this has to be bait right

[summer shore]

No that's The King of the Sunken Sea

[dull heart]

add 2 months due to silksong

[fathom girder]

that's lowballing it

[lean relic]

[fathom girder]

SSO in 7 months minimum

[dull heart]

SSO for Christmas I have faith

[left sequoia]

na i pushed that idea back to next summer

[left sequoia]

you need to rework 3 bosses

[dull heart]

ok done

[valid crypt]

@ fluffy

[left sequoia]

muitpule sytemes

[dull heart]

done

[fathom girder]

what, you've already reworked three??

I thought it was just DoG

[dull heart]

four actually

[left sequoia]

and hunderds of items and asseorys

[pulsar cobalt]

hes changed cv and probably something else

and reworked dog

[dull heart]

Oh wait 5

[viral merlin]

SSO september 5th 2025

[dull heart]

forgor cv

well

CV wasn't really a rework I just made the Fabsol movement good instead of bad

[dull heart]

next changelog will probably have about 34 items I've reworked in it alone

[fathom girder]

I like how your DoG and CV changes are just "Yeah I took what fabsol did but I made it actually good"

funny how that works

[left sequoia]

question i herd that brome the youtuber is hosting a "terrirea direct" i was wondering if you are plaing a relace date

[fathom girder]

if only fab actually worked with you guys

[dull heart]

that's how all 5 of the bosses I've done are tbh

[left sequoia]

or a trailer of the update and the title say soon

[dull heart]

I have no idea if we're in that, and even if I did, I wouldn't be supposed to say anything about it

[left sequoia]

there is a brome discored that you can visit

[dull heart]

I don't care enough to do so

[left sequoia]

so you did visited it already

[dull heart]

no

no I didn't

[left sequoia]

ok

[valid crypt]

Doze just doesnt care

[dull heart]

how on earth did you get that conclusion from what I said 😭

[fathom girder]

Doze only cares about silksong fr he gave up on SSO

[dull heart]

but yeah I still think SSO will release in 2025... at least, I really really hope so

[left sequoia]

pray

[dull heart]

so true (I have hollow Knight unplayed in my steam library)

[fathom girder]

many such cases

[lyric trellis]

So excited for the changelogs drop that’s just entirely your reworks

[dull heart]

owned just not played

[valid crypt]

Sso after silksong smh my head

[dull heart]

I think those 34 items can be easily condensed into 3-5 bullet points probably

"reworked most alcohols and added a new alcohol, Manhattan"

bam there's like 12 of them done

[fathom girder]

I genuinely don't think

anyone expected silksong to happen before SSO

like this is a crazy timeline

[molten grove]

i did

[fathom girder]

yeah you're one of the three team cherry devs clearly

[dull heart]

2.1's been in a spot where a lot of stuff happening isn't really needed for 2.1 to release

[azure oak]

it's official, yuh can see the future

[dull heart]

but this is because the things that need to be done just take time / the people who can do them are busy

It's an unfortunate situation where just a lot of people are busy atm

[fathom girder]

wtf

[lyric trellis]

That’s true but it’s funny to imagine listening them all individually to inflate it

[lapis oak]

good

the number needs to reach 1000

[dull heart]

true

[molten grove]

Renames for an entire set are kinda #awkward to do for a single bullet point
do you list them all out in one bullet, or just say “Reworked the [] set and renamed some of them” or smth

[dull heart]

true

you could do like

yeah idk

if you want to include the new names that'll just take up space no matter what

[molten grove]

we’ll see when we get there

[dull heart]

and I think there's 8 items I've worked on getting renames lol

I think I'm gonna go get DoG branch PRd today

[fair sluice]

when is the update coming out

it’s been a year

[azure oak]

noone knows

[rich ginkgo]

there is no release date

no deadline

and no estimate

[valid crypt]

When it s ready

They dont do release dates

[fair sluice]

i just want to get back into calamity

it’s boring on the 15th playthrough with nothing new

[azure oak]

not much to do about that

[rich ginkgo]

then play a different game

silksong in 2 weeks

🥹

[azure oak]

or another mod or smth

[fair sluice]

its what i’m waiting for

[fair sluice]

i’ve played plenty

[rich ginkgo]

ok here’s a challenge for you

beat masochist mode with a minishark

[fair sluice]

infernum no hit?

[rich ginkgo]

nothing else

[valid crypt]

Go play vanilla on classic mode

[rich ginkgo]

have fun

[azure oak]

go be evil in MoR or smth

[fair sluice]

literally can’t

[rich ginkgo]

do pantheon 5 in hollow knight

[fair sluice]

done

[valid crypt]

Then go find a different game calamity aint updating for months

[valid crypt]

All bindings

[rich ginkgo]

yeah all bindings

and on steel soul

or whatever it’s called i forgot

[fair sluice]

no ty

[rich ginkgo]

coward.

😕

[valid crypt]

Perma death doesnt activate in god home since you dont actually die

[fair sluice]

ok go play and beat celeste platinum

[valid crypt]

Celeste 2 aint coming out

[rich ginkgo]

yeah but there’s getting to god home in the first place

i know you dont die in dreams

[valid crypt]

Fair poinb

[fair sluice]

the mods act make up for it

i js want this goddamn update

[valid crypt]

Yeah we all do

We cant do shit but wait and have fun in other places

[fair sluice]

we gon get beyond the spiderverse, fruma, gta 6, and silksong, deltarune ch7, skyblock primordial dragon

all b4 ts

[azure oak]

it's probably coming out this year at least

[pseudo vector]

we're really trying to get it out this year

we've had a lot of setbacks as you're probably already aware

[fair sluice]

yeah

[pseudo vector]

2 of them tied to major game releases LOL

[valid crypt]

The anti fabsol update

[rich ginkgo]

yuh said it isnt coming out within the next 2 months for sure

because of silksong

[valid crypt]

Deltarune

[fair sluice]

lmao

[fathom girder]

Good luck with that

[fathom girder]

I wouldn't even say that's a setback honestly

[pseudo vector]

deltarune and silksong in 3 months of each other is diabolical work from the games industry

[valid crypt]

Deltarune and silksong delaying calamity sso by another 4 months

[valid crypt]

True

[fathom girder]

The real setbacks are probably like. Scope creep

[valid crypt]

Its fucking crazy

[fathom girder]

and fabsol existing

[fair sluice]

fr

[rich ginkgo]

sso reworking 100 random unrelated weapons

[pseudo vector]

that's more accurate but we like to joke about silksong and deltarune lol

[valid crypt]

500 weapon reworks

[fathom girder]

Silksong is 100% a setback but y'know

[valid crypt]

Gif

[fathom girder]

in a good way

[pseudo vector]

i'm personally very excited for silksong

[valid crypt]

Same

[fair sluice]

r we going to get sdfmg rework?

[pseudo vector]

idk

[rich ginkgo]

same here

[valid crypt]

Is it in this i cant tell

[rich ginkgo]

im obsessed w the hollow knight lore

[fair sluice]

we gon get gd maps b4 this lmao

[thick coyote]

im a bit afraid that people are going to forget that its probably just going to be mroe hollow knight

[fair sluice]

it’s not even out yet

[rich ginkgo]

fuck i mean

hollow knight

[valid crypt]

Dont think so

[rich ginkgo]

lore

[thick coyote]

since i know how fandoms who waited a long time act

[fair sluice]

lmao

[pseudo vector]

it looks like it has some substantial gameplay differences, but has the same loop

[fathom girder]

afraid? that game is considered one of the best games ever made

[pseudo vector]

i mean more hollow knight means more peak

hollow knight was already a phenomenal game

[fathom girder]

and silksong is HK but without the money restrictions that HK had

like consider

[thick coyote]

I think you misunderstand me

[fathom girder]

HK released because they ran out of money and couldn't realize the full dream

[valid crypt]

More hollowknight is exactly what i want

[rich ginkgo]

yeah hollow knight was released on a low budget and rushed yet it’s still an S tier game

[thick coyote]

Based on ym past expereinces, im expecting silksong to be amazing but not amazing enough for fans who spend however long hyping themselves up constantly

[rich ginkgo]

so there’s like no chance silksong will be disappointing

maybe the red people will be disappointed

but everyone else, nah

[fathom girder]

Silksong will very likely blow expectations out of the water

because again, HK was insane and it wasn't even finished

[thick coyote]

I disagree, the expectations are so absurdly high

[fathom girder]

silksong is finished

fully realized

[lapis oak]

no

Silksong will very likely not reach the impossible expectations

[thick coyote]

yeah kiri gets it

[lapis oak]

that have been building up for so long

[thick coyote]

people have impossible expectations

[fair sluice]

40 legendary bosses sound fun

[lapis oak]

I think Hollow Knight is a solid game

[rich ginkgo]

im just expecting an expansion on hollow knight lore along with it

[thick coyote]

they think it will reinvent the wheel but it will probably just be more hollow knight

[fair sluice]

we gon get 7 watcher knights at once

[lapis oak]

not what I would call the best or my favorite

[thick coyote]

which will make a lot of people very angry

[rich ginkgo]

we never got to find out some stuff in the original game

[lapis oak]

I think the same will be too for Silksong

[fair sluice]

will they release the silksong sequel where u play as zote

[rich ginkgo]

zote boat

[thick coyote]

i hope after silksong they make something completely different

[valid crypt]

hollowknight one of my fav games so like
more of just that is great enough and so far silk song seems to have more

[thick coyote]

Hollow Knight was good but also enough so im not even sure if im going to play silksong

[fair sluice]

i want more platforming in ssong, the movement has insane potential

[frail cove]

I’ve been super into hollow knight since 2019 so “hollow knight but bigger and more polished” sounds like exactly what I would want

[thick coyote]

the problem is that a lot of people dont expect silksong to be that

[frail cove]

From the trailers it looks like it might be going in that direction

[fair sluice]

do yall think ssong is getting goty?

[thick coyote]

idk what people expect but you dont write off entire events as "bad events" over a game you expect to just be the same thign you played but bigger and better

[thick coyote]

no

might get best gameplay as a nod to it

[rich ginkgo]

my next wish after silksong is just terraria 2

not like a sequel though

[thick coyote]

but Expedtion 33 is going to sweep most categories

[fair sluice]

i mean the contenders are not that good

[rich ginkgo]

a remaster maybe

[thick coyote]

at the game awards

[fair sluice]

oh yeah

nvm

forgot about e33

[valid crypt]

whats expedition 33

[fair sluice]

great game

[thick coyote]

Silksong will get the gampelay award and Ex 33 will proabbly get most others

[rich ginkgo]

some turn based game

[valid crypt]

oh ok

[rich ginkgo]

i saw some footage and i think it’s like baldurs gate 3

[thick coyote]

its not at all

[lapis oak]

goty 🥱

borringgggg

[thick coyote]

same i dont care either

[rich ginkgo]

yeah

[thick coyote]

game awards is just winter e3

for me

[fair sluice]

last year sote should have been goty

[rich ginkgo]

doesnt make any of the losing games any worse

[lapis oak]

random ass event who cares

[frail cove]

Rahhh I love Metroidvanias

[lapis oak]

the games I play aren't even there

[thick coyote]

i mean a lot of trailers happen there

so i do

[fair sluice]

yeah

[thick coyote]

hoping we get the first trailer for ff7 remake part 3

at game awards

[fair sluice]

my main concern w ssong is ppl’s expectations

[thick coyote]

yeah

[rich ginkgo]

people are gonna whine either way, i know that for sure

so my plan is to just ignore it as much as possible

[frail cove]

My expectation is that it will be a more polished and complex version of hollow knight

[thick coyote]

just remember this

for 2 weeks ignore all negativity with the game online

beuase the people who are liking the game

are gonna be playing it

[hushed hazel]

People will be disappointed no matter what because they’re expecting flawless ground breaking genre redefining masterpiece and they’ll get Good Metroidvania

[thick coyote]

not talking about it

[rich ginkgo]

yeah lmao

[tropic ermine]

they're not even done lmao
tc's style is literally scope creep driven development
they just work on it for eternity until the money runs out and oop time to release

[fair sluice]

fr

[valid crypt]

thats what im gonna be doing

[rich ginkgo]

i plan to dip platforms like tiktok and youtube for a bit so im not spoiled either way

im buying the game on release

[fathom girder]

sir it releases on september 4th

[fair sluice]

i wanna finish celeste ch9

[fathom girder]

It's basically done

[fair sluice]

and then play ssong

[thick coyote]

is it actually though

just becuase a game comes out

doesnt mean its done

[tropic ermine]

I mean duh it's released
no way in hell means it's done

[fathom girder]

oh

yeah okay yeah

[frail cove]

It’s so funny that the reason is just “yeah we liked working on it, so we worked on it more”

[thick coyote]

I expect a year of dlcs/updates that were gonan be in the base game but they had to release it to fund the development of them

[tropic ermine]

I envy them so good, they have the best job

[valid crypt]

they really just out there having fun

[thick coyote]

but yeah this is basically my take

[tropic ermine]

zero crunch, zero team pressure, just in it for the journey even if it'll take em millenia

[thick coyote]

so ill play the game and enjoy it and wont talk to anyone about it but my friends because i have had too many franchieses ruined by fandoms

"we decided this game is bad so you're a SHILL if you like it"

[frail cove]

I’ll probably just evaporate off of the internet for a while, so that I can avoid spoilers and super negative people

You know what maybe I should just get a head start on that

And delete discord in a few days

[tropic ermine]

I kinda expunged all hype for silksong and was just perfectly content with it not being a thing for the forseeable future

which made me very pleasantly surprised and hit very hard when it actually got announced to release

well half of it is I haven't finished hk but shut up

[thick coyote]

Thats what I do with every game, it will come out or it wont and ill play it when it does if im interested in it

This led to me having the worst experinece ever when KH3 came out and i liked it but everyone else didnt beucase their fanfic version of it wasnt what happened

[tropic ermine]

better that than to feverishly crave it for nearly a decade and get disappointed it's not the second coming of christ

[thick coyote]

im glad team cherry released basically no trailers though, so maybe it wont be as bad

a lot of the time an issue with these games that take forever is their trailers end up showing a lot of the game

[rich ginkgo]

there’s like

5 trailers

for silksong

[thick coyote]

so people expect way mroe than what the game has

[thick coyote]

for how long its been in development

that is nothing

[frail cove]

A few days ago the OFF remaster came out, and I think what happened with it will be similar with what happens to Silksong. Almost entirely positive aside, but with a very vocal minority that hates it.

[tropic ermine]

I need like the same internet-proof chamber everyone had in the deltarune ch3-4 days ngl

[rich ginkgo]

considering how long each one lasted, they did cover quite a bit

[tropic ermine]

still need it lmao I haven't even gotten to ch 3 and 4 myself

[thick coyote]

for reference, kh3 showed every single boss in its trailers apparently (i didnt watch them) so people thought the game was gonna be wayyy bigger than it was

[rich ginkgo]

i was hoping for no more trailers in case they just spoiled everything

the second demo was NOT needed in anyway imo

[thick coyote]

a number of games do this these days

they show so much of the game

so people are dissapointed beucas ethey already saw most of the game

in the trailers

[rich ginkgo]

yeah

[frail cove]

My game trailer will only ever show one room from the game

[tropic ermine]

complaining that there should be even less comms from tc is... certainly a take I've never even fathomed of hearing abt

[thick coyote]

saying "less trailers" does not mean "less communication"

tc defintely goofed on communication

[rich ginkgo]

or maybe i just dont want them to spoil the whole thing? 😭

[tropic ermine]

didn't they still put out messages of "we're still working on it" at least

[rich ginkgo]

this

[thick coyote]

i blame team cherry for their games fando ruining post gaming news event discussion for the past 5 years

[rich ginkgo]

they could have given statements regularly like “we’re still hard at work!!” “expect news soon!!”

but no, nothing

[tropic ermine]

how else do you do communication for a game without talking abt aspects of it

[thick coyote]

Did they? idk i stopped following the game after like a year and half

[tropic ermine]

true ngl

[rich ginkgo]

nope

they’ve barely said anything for the past year and a half iirc

[thick coyote]

I love watcing a banger nintendo direct and all that anyone says is that "actually it sucked beucase no silksong"

[halcyon seal]

Nominated, but not win

That’s my bet

[thick coyote]

idk if i hated that or no smash more

[tropic ermine]

what are the current contenders

[thick coyote]

expedtion 33 and no one else

[halcyon seal]

No matter how annoying no smash/no silksong is, they’ll never be more annoying than that one guy you know who’s begging for Prime 4 still

[thick coyote]

they shoudlnt even bother with the award show

everyone already knows

[tropic ermine]

huh. expe 33 is so entirely out of my wheelhouse that I have no idea if it's a worthy nominee

just gonna trust on this one

[thick coyote]

I wasnt joking earlier, i think Silksong will get Best Gameplay and Expedition 33 will get every other non multiplayer award

[halcyon seal]

I’ve never played exped 33 but it seems very likely to get nommed

[tropic ermine]

nom nom nom

[rich ginkgo]

everyone adores it

from what ive seen

[thick coyote]

It got people who hate turn based games to beat a turn based game

is enough said

[tropic ermine]

ah. the persona effect

[thick coyote]

no, more than persona

[tropic ermine]

the jrpg nobody hates seemingly

[thick coyote]

imagine if persona 5 but you didnt have those people who are liek "ewwww anime"

thats what expedtion 33 is

a persona level jrpg that the anime haters can enjoy

[tropic ermine]

wild

[halcyon seal]

I’m gonna put my bets rn, goty noms are gonna be:

• Silksong
• Exped 33
• MK World
• Ghost of Yotei
• Elden Ring Nightreign
• mystery slot #6 (Deltarune maybe? But seems unlikely)

Nightreign is a little crazy and I don’t think it should be there

But I think it will be there

Because it’s Elden Ring

[thick coyote]

its gonna be infuriating seeing the "best ongoing game" and ff14 isnt nominated because people think the game is terrible becuase the 7.0 story was mid

even though the battle content is the best its ever been

[tropic ermine]

how do any game awards handle games released by chapter like ultrakill or deltarune

is world goty worthy? it seems to get a lot of attention just by virtue of being a launch title on the gameless switch 2

[halcyon seal]

I don’t think it’s gonna win the main category but it’ll prob a couple of the side categories

Like best music seems pretty likely for it

[halcyon seal]

They give up, I guess

[ivory elk]

I think they would mostly apply to labor of love style stuff

or music/art since it would be new content i would assume

[dull heart]

I wouldn't say that's a setback as much as a symptom of the problem

[brave star]

Will the new dedicated items be visually satisfying and cool looking

Or will they be swinging old style

[fast vessel]

Is calamity going to be using shaders for any new visuals or is it all still particle effects?

[dull heart]

depends on the thing

particles are more common though

mostly because more people know how to work with them

[fathom girder]

Particles as in not dust spam

[urban cloak]

Yeah it's case sensitive

Most I could tell you rn is that there are shaders being used and have been for like years atp lol

[lapis oak]

don't say Gruesome Eminence

[dull heart]

yeah

Shaders have been used for a long time

[lapis oak]

do not say the name

[dull heart]

They fell out of use post 22 a decent amount though

[tropic jolt]

Wrath of the Shaders

[brave star]

Gruesome Eminence

[plain mantle]

Gruesome KiriWhite

[lapis oak]

I'm grilling both of u

[brave star]

Nuh uh

Grills u first

:)

[stone fiber]

The what

[buoyant pulsar]

delicious

[glad ferry]

I really want to see Dying light the beast in the goty But it's almost impossible

[dry whale]

idk about deltarune beacuse it's literally half a game but it's possible I gues

[halcyon seal]

If SotE can get nominated for goty so can Deltarune

[dry whale]

ima be real I don't know what SotE is 😔

[hushed hazel]

shadow of the erdtree

elden bling dlc

[dry whale]

ooh

[strong isle]

Symphony of the Eggplant

[analog helm]

secret of the emic

[peak wedge]

Goty has to be a game released in said year

[timid flare]

used to pray for times like this

[rich ginkgo]

can we like use this as a way to make bosses not drop a million weapons in one bag

if you get the one you didnt want fight it again or shimmer it like the emblems

that's also a nerf to coins because you cant sell all the excess stuff you dont need which is very well deserved imo

the coins dropped from the bags should be enough

[hoary meteor]

Song of the Elves

I gotta do that quest

Nobody gonna know what I'm talking about

[late eagle]

I can't use Twitter anymore... It's all about silksong spoilers 😭

[distant raft]

hey that gives you an excuse to leave

[late eagle]

Wait true

Hmmm but I want to keep looking at art...

[spark kiln]

just mute words relating to it

[cobalt wharf]

doesn’t work

[viral merlin]

Add Togore Dreamer to the mod

[raw pendant]

The fact that

We are getting silksong before sso

[lapis oak]

SSO delayed to 20240

[ivory elk]

Its the same time cause both are tomorrow

[hard copper]

sso on September 4th?

[real axle]

unlikely

[hasty tangle]

a patch titled "sso" on the 4th that removes the drunk princess loading screen quote and nothing else

[hard copper]

[mystic eagle]

Can we rebrand SSO to 2.0.5.002

[hasty tangle]

2.0.5.001.1

[mystic eagle]

No that's too much to handle

[tropic jolt]

it will also just straight up remove dog from the mod, bye bye!

[hasty tangle]

why remove dog when doze has apparently fixed him

[hard copper]

nooo, how else will i get my hyper buffed seasonal moon that i love a lot!!!

[tropic jolt]

impossible...

[dull heart]

very possible

i can't wait for 2.1 to release so i can show a blooper from dog work

[tropic jolt]

you should post it right now actually 🤩

[fathom girder]

SSO in 56 weekz

[dull heart]

i defintely can't post it right now

even if i wanted to

at least, not without consequences

[fathom girder]

It probably also includes a bunch of other new content

[still bluff]

the silk song update for calamity mod

[lapis oak]

tier A spoiler

[still bluff]

releasing september-october

[dull heart]

anyway back to making byleth i mean

uh

[tropic jolt]

before we silk we must song

[fathom girder]

Now that the silksong psyop is over, is merkalto able to work fulltime on calamity

[mystic eagle]

Time to get an rng and make it pick a number between 0 and 365 so we know when SSO releases

[fathom girder]

Cuz I know merk was pretty busy with the whole silksong thing

[still bluff]

merkalto will develop calamity mod when GTA6 releases

[tropic jolt]

228 fargo days until SSO

[mystic eagle]

258 days until SSO

[tropic jolt]

its over

[lapis oak]

it's over

[hard copper]

sso stood for silk song overhaul the whole time

[fathom girder]

Silksong will create more scope creep when doze copy pastes hornet's abilities onto a weapon

[mystic eagle]

Doze add Pythra Down Special please please please please

[tropic jolt]

adding the final boss of silksong into calamity

[hasty tangle]

which then requires a complete overhaul of all boss ai to compensate for it

[fathom girder]

of course

[mystic eagle]

I mean that "kind of" happened with DoG

[fathom girder]

That is what happened with dog

Yes

Byleth is why dog rework happened

[tropic jolt]

oh my gourd

[mystic eagle]

Byleth Up B*

Or side B I don't remember

[rose swan]

this was truly our spoiler talk

[dull heart]

not true

if ori 2 hasn't been involved in a weapon i've made yet

no way will silksong

[lapis oak]

if Ori so Ori then why there's no Ori 4

[dull heart]

so true

[mystic eagle]

Doze can you add Pythra Down Special to Calamity

[dull heart]

i could

but i won't

[buoyant pulsar]

HAHAHAHAHhHhHaahhahahahahahHAHAHAHAH

LOOK AT MY USERNAME

I SEE IT EVERYWHERE

EVERYWHERE

AAAHAHHAHAHAH

[dull heart]

huh

[late eagle]

Go sleep

[buoyant pulsar]

its only 8

[buoyant pulsar]

i have like over 60 screenshots of the number 259

in various different games or places

i cannot stop seeing it everywhere im literally losing my mind

[dry whale]

youre not losing it

you already lost it

[late eagle]

-259 neurons to crow😔

[dull heart]

should I spoiler

heck wait I'm actually behind on my spoilers noo

there was one I should have sent earlier but I didn't

too late L

A calamity spoiler pt 3

[stuck kite]

smash player

[dull heart]

at least it's not a carbon copy (ignore gilded proboscis)

[cobalt wharf]

we see the fit unc

[dull heart]

I should make my dev vanity byleth and make wearing it cause all byleth references to scale with progression

[summer shore]

male byleth or female byleth

[hard copper]

smells like mutilator

[summer shore]

Or bkth

Both

[dull heart]

no

Mutilator rework is very similar to DCWO Mutilator

A bit different and better because I've gotten better at this whole modding thing

but it's not super huge difference

[hard copper]

dang, my smeller must be broken

[shadow yacht]

I'm kinda curious what the current calamity roadmap looks like, has there been one recently released? or nah

[brave star]

SSO is the major update that will be in two parts

the rest besides the Dragon Aerie will be at any time

[dusk bronze]

there's not an official set roadmap but there is the general future plan

sso p1 > ??? > sso p2 > ??? crags overhaul > astral whatever > distortion > dragon aerie + yharim

there will undoubtedly be many other major and minor updates between those

[marble galleon]

can i buy daedalus storn

[dusk bronze]

wrong channel also what

[shadow yacht]

thank you Xzier

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

calamity has its own wikipedia page

[distant raft]

what the fuck

its real

though

[thorny glacier]

crazy how popular it’s gotten

[distant raft]

i dont think that itll avoid a deletion nomination

[misty wren]

the wikipedia page is extremely barebones

was realistically made by like 2 dudes over a weekend

[distant raft]

the article is quite small and i dont think a large mod for terraria would be worth a full article

like yeah cal's big

but are there minecraft mods with their own articles?

[misty wren]

cal is big but i dont think there are any other landmark mods for like any other games with their own wikipedia page

[distant raft]

iirc the mother 3 fan translation has its own but cmon its the mother 3 fan translation

[misty wren]

realistically at most it would be something like antibirth getting a small section in the tboi page

[dusk bronze]

create maybe? it's relatively new tho

[distant raft]

interesting

i get things as massive as project m and kaizo mario world

[misty wren]

ok so like while dota is a mod its also its own thing now too

[lean relic]

The Nameless Mod

[distant raft]

apparently that one's for deus ex

the article for it is pretty fleshed out and i hope it would be considering its had 19 years to marinate

both 7 grand dads are just redirects

also the cal page is

pretty young

[dusk bronze]

hey, it wasn't born yesterday!

[misty wren]

correct it was born uhh 2 days before yesterday

[rich ginkgo]

isnt calamity like one of the biggest mods in gaming

[distant raft]

its big for terraria standards

keep in mind that team fortress started out as a mod for quake

[misty wren]

no

there are like

triple digit numbers of mc mods alone that beat calamity in download count

[rich ginkgo]

what does download count mean

at all

[distant raft]

tbf i think thats from them being included in modpacks

[cobalt wharf]

download count isnt very relevant

[rich ginkgo]

minecraft is one of THE most famous games

oat

[brave star]

Cal mod got so famous

[distant raft]

like yeah blood magic probably dwarfs cal several times over

but

[rich ginkgo]

of course minecraft and its mods in general have bigger download counts

[brave star]

It outranks terraria in music

[distant raft]

whos downloading just blood magic

[dusk bronze]

speaking of minecraft mods i'm starting making one

[distant raft]

hell who even uses blood magic outside of just finishing their quest log

[rich ginkgo]

minecraft modding is a really annoying experience imo but it’s fun when it likes to work

[cobalt wharf]

honestly cal might be at a similar popularity to project m, maybe a bit less

[rich ginkgo]

im not gonna lie tmod gives me a lot of shit frequently too

[misty wren]

by a large amount of games standards cal is a massive mod
but it is not one of the biggest in gaming

[dusk bronze]

for now i'm just adding vertical slabs
(neoforge 1.21.8 btw)

[distant raft]

in its environment, cal is absolutely massive, bringing people into terraria on its own

[rich ginkgo]

im not a programmer or anything (im gonna learn python sooner or later along with a couple other languages after), but like why is there 3 different types of minecraft mods

the fabric, forge, and neoforge thing

[misty wren]

by expanding the search range to all of gaming you severely limit where cal can place in terms of size

[rich ginkgo]

it’s literally so limiting

[misty wren]

this is because of endless forks

[distant raft]

id probably compare cal to a bass
a big fish for a pond but its absolutely eclipsed when it looks to the ocean

[dusk bronze]

are you aware of calamity fables

that's what happened with forge and neoforge

same with fabric and quilt

[rich ginkgo]

that’s kind of stupid im ngl

[misty wren]

first it was forge, then someone wanted something that suited their purposes more than forge so they made fabric
forge and neoforge split because of irreconcilable differences between the majority of the team and the owner
fabric and quilt split i think for similar reasons

[dusk bronze]

yeah apparently the owner of forge is a huge dickhead
who does that remind me of

[rich ginkgo]

it’s even worse than terraria mod incompatibility because you see a cool mod online you wanna try and then another and then another and it turns out they all use completely different uhh i dont know what to call them

ive never heard of any of them being more superior than the other either, it evens everything out in a bad way

equal amount of mods using this, equal amount of mods using that

50/50 chance they’re incompatible, as an example

[misty wren]

its essentially the "i will make one new standard to unite all the best parts of these other standards but realistically will just create another competing standard" phenomenon

that kind of thing runs rampant in mc modding be it just for launchers or whatever

[rich ginkgo]

it’s very good to have competition in industries just.. not this kind

[misty wren]

its not competition in the way you would think

each loader does essentially their own thing internally which makes some things really easy to do on one but really hard on another

[rich ginkgo]

so it restricts creativity? lmao

[misty wren]

no

[rich ginkgo]

sorry you cant play these two mods together because the concept of one works better here

[misty wren]

its not a creativity restriction

its a compatibility restriction

its messy and i wont try to say that its good but it isnt a creativity restriction

[rich ginkgo]

i guess so

[hushed hazel]

it's minecraft mods not an industry

this is like when people say cal needs "competition" to become better

like yeah sure cal is definitely outdated compared to other mods in the modern age but they shouldn't fix it because people start to prefer other mods they should fix it so they can get to see the best possible version of cal

[rich ginkgo]

what’s the difference

[hushed hazel]

"industry" to me implies people are doing it for money

[sacred marlin]

Minecraft mods aren’t a product, they don’t make money

[distant raft]

income is a byproduct

[sacred marlin]

You can say they make money via Patreon or something but that was never the intent

Just an added bonus

[rich ginkgo]

i understand that terraria modding is more about the passion and creativity but idk what’s going on with minecraft modding

[dusk bronze]

it's against mojang tos to paywall mods in any way

[rich ginkgo]

and then there’s bedrock addons

[atomic bay]

Mojang is only against a pay wall if it doesn't benefit them

See the marketplace

[rich ginkgo]

been that way ever since it was owned by a megacorp

[buoyant pulsar]

your pfp reminds me of

[hard copper]

wawa

your pet red centipede is very handsome

[rose swan]

so cool

[hardy gulch]

If the Underground Astral Infection was associated with hardmode souls, what soul would enemies drop in it

[cinder hearth]

Souls of blight

Infection, blight

They're synonyms

[fringe quiver]

ocram reference

[split coyote]

Hello, I found a bug while playing the latest version of Disaster. I don't know if it's a bug or a feature.

[cinder hearth]

What is Disaster

[split coyote]

While fighting the Slime God, I first summoned the Slime God and then used the Magic Conch to teleport away. However, the Slime God did not leave the battle but died immediately.

[fathom girder]

Oh, that's known

[split coyote]

I don't know if this is a game feature or a speedrun method, but even though I'm just a newbie who's played for 50 hours, I wanted to give you this feedback.

[hard hearth]

yet calam continues to garner significantly more people per day than these more 'updated' mods...

truly a paradox

[split coyote]

I see, it seems that this may be a little Easter egg hidden by the author. Hahaha, I'm liking this game more and more.

thank you very much

[hushed hazel]

it's not intended but it is known

[fathom girder]

Is this guy using a translator or chatgpt i can't tell

[hushed hazel]

translator probably

[split coyote]

Sorry, I used a translator.

deepl

[fathom girder]

I see

[hard hearth]

you dont see actually

you are very blind..

[cinder hearth]

Probably because it's a very expansive mod already, has plenty of add-ons to add even more content (some of which are the aforementioned "more updated" mods like wrath of the Gods), and for how much we love to make fun of it, the balance is better than vanilla terraria or most other mods

[hushed hazel]

i think it's mostly age and size

[hard hearth]

i would be willing to argue that the 'outdated' portions contribute more than the balance, addons or previous size personally

because its closer to vanilla than these other more crazy content mods

[hushed hazel]

cal has a Lot of content (arguably too much) and is over 9 years old, it's practically an og at this point

[hard hearth]

its easier for someone whos never tried modding to hop on calam than it is for most other content mods

[hard hearth]

ironically it was the exact opposite like several years ago 😭 calam was the big different mod while thorium was the vanilla one

[hard hearth]

not enough*

[lapis oak]

not enough

[hearty raptor]

Too much content? Smh

[fringe quiver]

probably yeah

theres a reason item bloat has been a issue

[hearty raptor]

too much content can’t exist for anyone with a nasa supercomputer :3

[fringe quiver]

whar

[hearty raptor]

Strong pc = no lag when loads of items and things to process

[fringe quiver]

its not about lag

also idk if that was like you flexing that you have a good pc or something but if so weird flex but ok

[hearty raptor]

• calamity is supposed to be a “wtf” mod, always has been

[hearty raptor]

No

Not flexing

[fringe quiver]

what the hell does "wtf" mod mean dude

[hearty raptor]

I have a HORRIBLE one

[fringe quiver]

😭

[hearty raptor]

?? Have we both played the same mod?

[fringe quiver]

incomprehensible

[hearty raptor]

Compare calamity “casual” gameplay to casual vanilla terraria

Casual calamity is like trying hard at vanilla 😭

[fringe quiver]

not really

calamity having 300000 billion items and 5000 difficulties and being largely boss centric is a bad thing actually

in fact its something developers are trying to Change

[hushed hazel]

this isn't a design issue this is a "there is so much shit in this mod that trying to make it all good is three headaches and a half" issue

[fringe quiver]

^

fabsolian regime was

one could say

a calamity

waiter more glupshitto insanely hard difficulties nobody asked for that are based only on how hard i find them to be with barely any playtesting waiter more bosses that are poorly modified vanilla code

[hearty raptor]

I still think we need more bosses

Given the lore that we have there’s a lot they can do

[fringe quiver]

no we don't dawg we have too many

balancing progression is already hell torture due to how many bosses there are alone

we'll get like Yharim as the final boss eventually and Maybe 2 superbosses after if Devs Want To and that's it

[hearty raptor]

progression seems pretty fair to me, if not more difficult than vanilla, even past moonlord from how my last run went.. so no clue what you’re talking about

[fringe quiver]

It's

not about it being fair

[hearty raptor]

It seems balanced and you still have to grind for what you want and it’s tedious to get the overpowered shit

[fringe quiver]

it's tedious to get the overpowered shit

oh gee that sure does sound like a bad thing

[cinder hearth]

I think we need more post ML enemies tbh, not necessarily bosses, enemies

[hearty raptor]

I didn’t say it like it was a bad thing

[fringe quiver]

Anyways calamity mod progression is hell torture because after post moon lord its entirely a boss rush with barely any other content

[fringe quiver]

This is very much true and post ml enemies as well as content in general will be added

Post ml has nothing besides bosses and 1 singular event that is just a rehash of a hardmode event with 1 new enemy

[fringe quiver]

but it is

[cinder hearth]

Oh there's also the profaned enemies technically

And phantom spirits

Enemies you see like once

[fringe quiver]

Yeah there's like. 7 enemies that you actually interact with

[cinder hearth]

Ok I have a stupid idea which isn't realistic rn but

What if the astral infection was post MOON LORD instead

It'd fit with the theme

[fringe quiver]

Idk about making infection itself post ml but

it 100% needs post ml content lol

(astrum deus post ml save me)

(probably going to happen...)

(not guaranteed but hopefully..)

[cinder hearth]

It would reduce the early HM bloat a bit and spread it out to post ML

IMO

[hearty raptor]

It’s a pain to navigate and you can’t do anything with t at all for most of hard mode so yea I agree

[fringe quiver]

Astrum deus post ml would not only reduce hm boss bloat but also !!! it'd warrant adding more content to astral in post ml

[hearty raptor]

It’s kinda annoying when it just decides it wants to spawn right beside your base

[fringe quiver]

Plus it'd make the space beetween aureus and it larger

[dusk bronze]

broke: deus hardmode
woke: deus post moonlord
bespoke: deus moonlord alt

[dusk bronze]

post moonlord is gonna be centered around exploring the distortion

[fringe quiver]

I mean it could be balanced to be about on tier with ml so you can pick which one to fight first yeah

[hearty raptor]

I feel like we need a lot more with the astral infection

[cinder hearth]

That'd also work

[hearty raptor]

Cause rn it’s kinda just a useless area that has a boss and then annoying enemies for most of hard mode

[fringe quiver]

I'd say this still kinda equates it to post ml tho bc most people will still fight ml first

[hearty raptor]

And then after that it’s got nothing else

[cinder hearth]

Btw speaking of subworlds, is it actually possible to have a subworld where you build and break blocks? Because the applications of subworlds I've seen are mostly places to fight one boss where you can't build

[fringe quiver]

yeah

distortion will be a subworld as in like

the nether

its a whole ass new place with new biomes you can harvest ore in and fight enemies and explore n shit

its not just a glorified boss arena like some other subworlds

[cinder hearth]

I understand that but is it like actually mechanically possible with subworlds as they are now?

[fringe quiver]

yeah

its already been done

that one mod that lets you go to the moon

forgor what its called

[cinder hearth]

Oh right that one

Good good

[dusk bronze]

also there's like 4-5 years of subworld innovation before they make the distortion

[ivory elk]

I think modded is severly missing on actual subworlds and not just boss arenas

[hushed hazel]

this was proposed way back in the day but i don't think much of anything came out of it

[cinder hearth]

It's relatively new technology which requires dependency on subworld library

Give it some time

[fathom girder]

astrum deus would be crazy as a moon lord alt

[cinder hearth]

Deus spawning the planetoids would also make more sense

[dusk bronze]

devs might be reconsidering it iirc

[fathom girder]

With a proper deus rework I could totally see it

Deus to ML like calamitas clone is to plantera

[analog helm]

call me post ml deus the way im

[azure oak]

devs should add yharim but he just floats off into space whenever you spot him

[analog helm]

minecraft horror mod yharim..

[fathom girder]

Yharim but every time you spot him he disappears like meta knight

Swirls his cape around himself and disappears

[urban cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-disappear-gasterpeared-undertale-gif-23212822

[azure oak]

if only there was a way to make it just not appear in recordings or screenshots so players just look schizophrenic

[pseudo vector]

https://tenor.com/view/gaster-club-penguin-undertale-deltarune-gif-3947864625310751586

[frail owl]

gaster hitting the griddy

[urban cloak]

mystery man hitting a mysterious move

[pulsar cobalt]

it checks if you have obs open

[azure oak]

wouldn't stop screenshots or anything non-obs 😔

[dusk bronze]

disables screenshots

[analog helm]

doesn't show up whenever any other different program is opened

and the in-game sprite is hidden behind 1 million codes and passwords in the files so nobody can find proof for it

[white aurora]

just take a picture with your phone :3

[earnest jewel]

His sprite is made in such a way that taking pictures of the monitor showing him comes out blurry, like fake leak blurry.

[azure oak]

the sprite simply looks so scuffed that it could only be explained by an addon

[dull heart]

have you seen that video about the person who made the horror game it's impossible to screenshot

clearly make terraria do that

[brave star]

Club Gaster be like

(He likes playing dead games from the past)

(And obscure RPGs like Middens, Gingiva, and Where they cremate the roadkill)

[lofty leaf]

gaster’s in the club!

[fathom girder]

Go white boy go!

[tardy osprey]

why doesnt demonshade armor give anything for rogue except universal stats

[atomic bay]

because it was made before the rouge class was added so to keep it multiclass it was thrown on there

[left sequoia]

question is roage getting reballced

[pulsar cobalt]

what

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[thorny glacier]

how rebalanced?

[late eagle]

If you're asking if Rogue will have any changes, yes, it will be reworked in the future

Stealth will become focus

[lapis oak]

OOOOOO

SPOILER

[cinder hearth]

God that looks so annoying

I imagine like mid exploration you get grabbed like that

It also looks really cool

[fathom girder]

That's the point methinks

Pay attention to your surroundings or it's your ass getting burnt

[hasty tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-taser-funny-cat-fluffy-cat-electric-shock-gif-8320839084452211575

[lyric trellis]

The gif

[tropic jolt]

the evil and wrathful scourge of the desert

[native thistle]

Is giffing

[crimson arrow]

1.4.5 + Calamity Update would take me to another dimension tbh, dunno abt u guys

[cinder hearth]

I don't think the point of an enemy should be entirely to be annoying

Unique, yes, and that's a way to do it , but imagine you get knocked into it by other enemies

That looks like a really easy way to get stunlocked

Which is never fun

[peak wedge]

slime gods final phase

is annoying i dont have any autoaim weapons....

melee

[calm ingot]

Hasn’t been in the game for like 5 years

[cinder hearth]

Wrong chat

This is spoiler talk

[urban cloak]

Stormlion Sentinels are neutral unless you damage them and/or are close to Grubbolts
So as long as you're careful and don't piss them off deliberately you'll be fine

[cinder hearth]

Not add on talk

[peak wedge]

oooops misclick

ty

[cinder hearth]

Oh that makes sense

And also a lot more tolerable

[atomic bay]

so true

[dense sundial]

Aaand we got an enemy that has a genuine grab attack

It’s peam

I’m assuming that video wasn’t made with the resprite because Asset Purgatory

[urban cloak]

yea sprite still isn't done

dia was working on it yesterday tho iirc so there's a chance it'll be done soon

[late eagle]

Hey guys do y'all know if angel is stll working in the mod?

[lapis oak]

ye

it's Sunny

[late eagle]

Wait wha

Really???

SPOILER

[lapis oak]

spoiler

[late eagle]

SPOILER WE HAVE SPOILERS

[rich ginkgo]

about 20 minutes late

[late eagle]

True I'm 🐌

[vivid hemlock]

sentinel

[high scaffold]

yo, spoilers are real

also electro antlions on surface?

most likely for more clear demonstration

[fathom girder]

Maybe they'll have nests up on the surface now too who knows

It looks like the desert's getting an ecosystem just like the sunken sea is

[brave star]

We all 🐌

[fringe quiver]

stormling my lions !!!

[fringe quiver]

i assume its that yeah

p sure stormlions are just on the underground desert as you get closer to the sunken sea

would be maybe funny if they spawned on the surface on thunderstorms tho

placeholder sprite still so i assume stormlion anims r still unfinished but very cool :)

[valid crypt]

@fringe quiver

[dull heart]

hmm

[lapis oak]

Thunderstorm content in big 2025 🗣️

[high scaffold]

with lightning strikes coming in 1.4.5

[left sequoia]

i was thinking of a cool aimation of the player spwaning in for the furst time

[halcyon seal]

This new spoiler is pretty cool

[vivid hemlock]

underground and get more numerous the closer you are to the sunken sea

[rich ginkgo]

it should just be the deviantt spawn in animation

fall from the sky and land face first on the ground

[rich ginkgo]

oh ya i forgot about that

[left sequoia]

we can have it fit with the lore item that the player starts with

[desert path]

Oh boy I love 🔌

[azure oak]

the creature feature, featuring... the creature

[late eagle]

La creatura

[azure oak]

btw the electricity effects look nice

[rich ginkgo]

the smoking player effects add to it by so much i love it 😭

reminds me of fables

[azure oak]

also the subtle squash & stretch on the stormlion

[rich ginkgo]

oh yeah i just noticed that, nice catch lmao

what a silly cartoonish creature

[fringe quiver]

lore items wont exist

theyre being replaced by a stone thingy yharim will use to talk to you

[fringe quiver]

its quite shocking how cool it is

heh .

[fathom girder]

Oh it's coming with SSO???

Awesome af

[fringe quiver]

if u mean the stone thingy no

dont think it is anyways

[azure oak]

can't actually tell if the electricity is a shader thingy or a sprite

[fringe quiver]

shaders use sprites for particles sometimes but i think this one is just made through code

[fathom girder]

The blue looks like a simple border

From my experience that's a simple set of codes and not a set particle or shader but

Idk

[halcyon seal]

724 - Removed gloomborf truther.

[fringe quiver]

WHAT

[azure oak]

wouldn't be surprised if the border thing was more of a stand-in for now since the sprite isn't done yet

[fathom girder]

Oh maybe

[rich ginkgo]

most likely

[dense sundial]

lore items are being replaced by... a lore item?

[rich ginkgo]

i dont see why they’d put effort into effects on a sprite they’re dumping

[dense sundial]

am i missing something

[halcyon seal]

I think instead of a bunch of lore items it’s gonna be like

One thing you click on

And that tells you lore

[rich ginkgo]

if the stone thing is some singular item that updates it’d be great to reduce bloat

[halcyon seal]

Which is probably a good thing

[dense sundial]

like does the stone phone do anything beyond that, are there more places to discover lore, will ingame lore be written in a more diegetic way, etc.

[dry whale]

stone rune instead of a thing that somehow lets yharim talk to u

[fringe quiver]

Instead of yharim manifesting his monologue into your inventory with the power of his mind

[buoyant pulsar]

can the stormlion charger like grab u post scal and exos cause that would be so funny

[fringe quiver]

You get a stone that yharim uses to communicate with you

[buoyant pulsar]

"i am an unstoppable god!"
grabs u

[fringe quiver]

You find it in the world and from there he can talk wit hyou now

[fringe quiver]

yeah

[rich ginkgo]

bro is NOT xeroc wtf 💔

[fringe quiver]

people seem to work under the assumption lore items are supposed to be THE way youre meant to get lore but thats not the case

[rich ginkgo]

terminus v2 in sso

[fringe quiver]

there'll be other ways

[rich ginkgo]

i mean

not sso

but

[fringe quiver]

but the lore you get from the lore items is still important

primarily as a way to get context on Yharim's ideology, personality and his view on things

[dry whale]

there will be lore in sunken sea, crags and sky islands I'm pretty sure

like books or something

[dense sundial]

so far i've been thinking of the stone phone as basically a nice coat of paint

[fringe quiver]

So it'll be reworked to be more integrated into the game itself through it being yharim directly communicating with you through a single item

[dense sundial]

ofc i should wait and see the implementation™ and such

[fringe quiver]

i mean yeah thats literally what it is

[dry whale]

maybe you can Actually Speak To Him instead of yhapping to you about a boss

[fringe quiver]

Maybe but i feel like that'd be odd

[halcyon seal]

Yharim I gotta show you this new thing called ragebaiting

[dense sundial]

i think an issue could be why is yharim talking to you in the first place, or vice versa

[halcyon seal]

You’re gonna love it

[dense sundial]

if the stone phone doesn't change the actual lore text much from their boss drop forms, it's still going to be confusing as to why yharim would care to tell you any of this backstory junk

[fringe quiver]

You find the stone in your world rather than spawning with it iirc

Which in itself has more potential than him specifically brain blasting you w ith the power of his mind for Some Reason

It being less intentional and more of an accidental encounter in of itself is already a bit better and makes things easier to explain

I think initially Yharim could just be curious that someone has found an communication device of his and decides to observe you just out of passing interest, but then he starts playing a more actively manipulating role as you become stronger and he starts wondering if he could turn you into a sucessor of his

[dense sundial]

yea i was thinking of manipulation

[fringe quiver]

As it stands right now he is trying to manipulate you but the big issue is why does he decide to do that before you even have really done anything

Like by the point you defeat slime god sure, that makes sense

You've defeated a god and are already pretty strong compared to most people

But why does bro take interest in you when your kill count includes 2 green slimes and 1 zombie and all you have in ur posession is a wooden house and 2 sticks

[dense sundial]

also i'd hope stone phone doesn't just retain all of the boss lore expositions, or yharim will end up functioning as Guy who Tells You About Bosses

[fringe quiver]

It won't

Again, a unfortunate symptom of the mod being heavily unfinished and development being Super Slowed Down by The Horse is that people work under the assumption Lore items are, or were meant to be, the main source of lore

And to be fair

[halcyon seal]

Do regular people exist in the world outside of the player and NPCs

[fringe quiver]

That is also partially because they're called "Lore items" lol

[fringe quiver]

yes

[lean relic]

why reading this conversation reminded me about hsr phainon passing his role to trailblazer

[halcyon seal]

Alr I thought so but just wanted to make sure