calamity-update-talk

[urban cloak]

fair but still be mindful

you don't have anything blocking your dev role for example so there's a good chunk of people that will just see the video and take it as an official addition

[arctic cliff]

well you could add to to GFB

[slate folio]

Stealing this gif thank you

[fathom girder]

Omg invoked stargod is gonna replace astrum deus ???????????

[plain kite]

Can I see them early halibut cannon resprite ‼️‼️

[buoyant pulsar]

it would be peak

[acoustic shell]

buddy its not that serious, literally just hop off and let people have some breathing room

get off his ass

literally verified my phone number just to tell you to hop off

damn

unverifing my phone number again for my other account so cya

[stone fiber]

What mines?

[hard copper]

🐟

[buoyant pulsar]

unreasonable crashout

[summer shore]

dawg read down from there

[buoyant pulsar]

i cant stop meowing

[summer shore]

Start eating

[buoyant pulsar]

i have mouth and i must meow

[stone fiber]

[buoyant pulsar]

it worked.... curse you

when im done eating i will meow again

[rich ginkgo]

dude blew a fuse 😭

[slate folio]

Do people associate metal sonic plush with me now at this point

[hushed hazel]

Brother you are currently, in this very moment, taking it fifteen gorillion times more seriously than both fry and doze

What are we doing here

[stone fiber]

Draedon

[fast vessel]

Is calamity adding any whips in SSO?

[white aurora]

wawa

[dusk bronze]

part 2 yes

[lean relic]

oh I completely forgot sso is 2 parts

[rich ginkgo]

wawa

[white aurora]

slugca

t

[arctic cliff]

i think people should learn to accept that verified phone numbers are generally worthless

[hushed hazel]

no it's not

you're allowed to acknowledge that the subreddit exists you just shouldn't dredge up subreddit drama and bring it here cause that just makes the channel miserable

[rose laurel]

Yeah

There was a time where this channel was half the time just

"Reddit is reacting stupidly to changes. Let's make fun of them!"

And also the Ideas Guy

[arctic cliff]

so what you're saying is, if someone insults a dev because they misinterpreted what they said as "We're removing Murasama" and that caused a fistfight, it would be ideal to not bring that drama here

[dusk bronze]

we don't need more drama in the server

[pearl sentinel]

verifying my phone number to tell you to like eat auric bars or something
hop off literally
making 500 verified phone numbers
not that serious bro

[arctic cliff]

the fucking ideas guy

[rose laurel]

The Ideas Guy to have all ideas

[pearl sentinel]

When he becomes a calamity developer

he has things made

not coded or sprited

[arctic cliff]

you're referring to the fucking guy who claimed to have the definitive desert scourge redesign

cause that guy i still cannot stop laughing

[rose laurel]

Yeah that guy

😭

[arctic cliff]

knowing that i havent heard anything about that, while actually yknow

myself

[hushed hazel]

yes

[rose laurel]

Though I prefer his list of Abyss enemies

That were just

[arctic cliff]

the list?

[rose laurel]

35 animals

35 normal ass animals

[arctic cliff]

Was one of them a Basilisk Shark?

[rose laurel]

Idk

[arctic cliff]

wait what

i dont think

hang on

i goofed

[lyric trellis]

Well yeah, just that 95% of the time that’s why people would bring it up in this channel so it’s not too far off, just saying “reddit” won’t get me banned I’d hope

[arctic cliff]

i accidentally invented an entire species of shark wth

[rose laurel]

Yes it will actually

Mods, strike her down

[lyric trellis]

My favorite moment from that guy is saying “I’ve design 90+ weapons for this mod”

[arctic cliff]

i was trying to think of the Frilled Shark, but somehow mixed that up with "Basking Shark"

[lyric trellis]

I’m Untouchable so they can’t

[arctic cliff]

i was going to say that i actually tried to actually create a design, and even posted it

only issue is that now i am no longer satisified with it

both because i've felt like it doesnt work anymore, and also because i actually really like what little i've heard of the current scooge design

[buoyant pulsar]

Ideas Guy is talking...

someone get the ideas guy is talking pic

[lean relic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOAUjsq4908

[dusk bronze]

🔥

[fast vessel]

So the update to come out, aka part 1, will have no whips?

[dusk bronze]

correct

part 2 will add whips and fully rebalance the entire class

as far as we know

[fast vessel]

By rebalance, does that mean gutted? Like, right now it has the best DPS, is that getting changed? Is calamity increasing reliance on whips for DPS?

[dusk bronze]

i don't know specifics but the class is almost definitely getting nerfed to hell because right now it's disgustingly overpowered

[distant raft]

summoner will take the existences of whips into account

[hushed hazel]

probably a bit?

[dusk bronze]

also yeah it's op because current summoner is still balanced around whips not even existing

[fast vessel]

Okay, but like, so is Melee. Tank build still demolish this mod. Yeah, you can’t face tank bosses because of defense damage, but like, it’s still incredibly easy.

[hushed hazel]

i think how the plan has been described was like

you can still survive just fine if you refuse to use whips, your damage will just not be as good

and if you can use all the summoner tools at your disposal (whips, minions and sentries) properly you will in fact be able to deal Good™ damage

[fast vessel]

But like, what percent DPS cut is summoner getting? Is it getting as fucked over as ranger is rn?

[distant raft]

ranger is pretty balanced iirc

[lyric trellis]

I mean you can’t really put it into a number

[still bluff]

It should still be stronger than average at all stages
Basically stealth rogue and summoner with all options will be slightly better than most other stuff

[lyric trellis]

It’s not like all of summoner is created equally

[distant raft]

summoner is getting 4 weaker

[fast vessel]

By being terrible to use. Its only use is low% because it’s so easy to get the necessary equipment. In terms of ability, it gets outperformed by literally every other class.

[still bluff]

There's variance among all weapons though, so there shouldn't be a single definitively best class

[lyric trellis]

The best class is multiclassing

[still bluff]

But yes
Summoner is going to get absolutely gutted because it's disgustingly good atm

[hushed hazel]

i don't think ranged needs to be like really good

[fast vessel]

When you can kill death mode Yharon pre-ML with an average melee tank build, summoner isn’t that broken.

[distant raft]

i think that the easier something is to use, the lower ceiling it should have

[hushed hazel]

imo ranged would sit perfectly well in the middle in terms of power as a straightforward and simple class

[fast vessel]

But it doesn’t. It should, but with comparably bad DPS to every other class and being less tanky than melee, it’s really bad.

[still bluff]

It's not comparably bad? Unless you exclude it's op weapons while keeping other class's lol

[lyric trellis]

Ranger is the most balanced, and arguably weakest class, for the same reason why it’s got the most(?) reworks: it’s easier to work with compared to everything else

[fast vessel]

So is the plan to nerf everything to be as bad as ranger and make the game not fun anymore?

[lyric trellis]

Summoner and rogue are broken and in “awaiting update hell”, melee is hell to balance with aggression variance, and mage is kinda ranger 2 but people hate mage so

[still bluff]

Mage will average D tier because I say so

[fast vessel]

What do you mean aggression variance? How does that affect balance?

Also, is the reworked Murasama in part 1 or part 2?

[lean relic]

think about true melee

[lyric trellis]

I don’t see how that would make the game less fun, especially with the boss quality greatly improving in the future, and adren still exists to make weapons feel more powerful if you want that ig

[fast vessel]

But isn’t true melee being removed? How does melee having higher aggression make it hard to balance?

[distant raft]

weapons that are better at close range tend to be better against bosses that are constantly in close range

[fast vessel]

Oh, that’s what you mean. So melee is hard to balance because it obliterates bosses like DoG but struggled against Exo Mechs because lack of true melee (even tho dragon pow is kinda busted, so it doesn’t really struggle).

[lyric trellis]

If a person is better or worse at using a weapon or fighting a boss, then the weapon may seem better/worse than it does for someone else

[fast vessel]

As opposed to Ranger which is pretty consistent across all weapons?

[distant raft]

i wouldnt call dragon pow broken

[fast vessel]

Still very good.

[distant raft]

its great but certainly no S tier

[lyric trellis]

Doesn’t just apply to melee but it’s obviously most prominent there

[fast vessel]

What are the S-tier non-true melee weapons then?

[lyric trellis]

Well for Ares specifically it is, other mechs not as much

[lean relic]

something like Seraphim, Dynamic Pursuer

oh, true melee

[distant raft]

exalted oathblade, inferna cutter, darklight greatsword, ark of the ancients, blighted cleaver, goldplume spear, tumbleweed, fallen paladin's hammer, stellar contempt

inferna cutter is not true melee and you cannot convince me otherwise

[lyric trellis]

It’s funny because all but like 3 of those would big significantly worse without true melee hits

[buoyant pulsar]

really i thought it was 3

[lyric trellis]

Which is a good thing cause it’s melee

[buoyant pulsar]

and inversely, there shouldn't be a single definitively worst class

[calm ingot]

If you use the sparks only you end up like that person who said the weapon was bad because it took 12 minutes to kill destroyer with it

[buoyant pulsar]

yeah cause its entire game plan is hold m1 at guy until they die (oh wait thats every class) /j

[distant raft]

no matter how pathetic they may be, theyre still disjointed unconditionally fired projectiles

[buoyant pulsar]

truth

preach

[buoyant pulsar]

the entire thrown hammer line is goated

[calm ingot]

And Terra blade but it’s vanilla

[dull heart]

Specifics are tbd

but it's highly likely summoner will be the strongest when using all of its tools (minions, sentries, whips)

[dull heart]

Ranger is definitely not in a bad state

it's not a constant stream of broken items like Summoner and Rogue are rn

but like... It's definitely not weak

[dull heart]

not exactly

it's still up in the air but either way close range weapons still exist

[molten grove]

i read ranger as ravager and was about to call you crazy

[dull heart]

lol

Anyway

Whether or not "true melee" itself exists

True Melee range weapons will absolutely still exist

[lyric trellis]

Nope, you’re removing all weapons with a sword hitbox

[dull heart]

spears go

[lyric trellis]

Goodbye ore swords

[hushed hazel]

unfortunate! oh well

[lyric trellis]

I guess spears are also true melee but ignore that

[dull heart]

I thought about starting work on heroic damage

then I had the genius idea of working on a worm instead

[lyric trellis]

Add the fish damage type

[buoyant pulsar]

why would true melee be removed

i don't understand what the issue is

or more specifically, what about it is changing? just the name/classification, or

[valid crypt]

True melee rn nukes normal enemies so it can be semi viable for bosses
The devs want to fix that iirc

[buoyant pulsar]

you know, i think more melee weapons should have built in mobility as a way to close the distance

projectiles are usually a lame band-aid fix for a deeper problem that melee has

true melee wouldn't need to exist in the first place if melee had fun mechanics that made the class enjoyable and playable without projectiles or tank builds

the day that glass cannon true melee is viable is the day melee is healed

or something

[hushed hazel]

yeah the problem is that contact damage sucks ass

walking up to an enemy and slapping them doesn't gel that well with the fact that being close to enemies deals damage to you

this game is not designed for true melee to work well

[buoyant pulsar]

this game isn't designed for anything to work well

except for like, mining

[hushed hazel]

this game isn't designed

we'll leave it at that

[buoyant pulsar]

truth

sign this petition to remove contact damage

there's gotta be a good mod out there that removes contact damage where it doesn't make sense

against a worm boss, sure, it makes sense

but against king slime when bro is just sitting there, it doesn't really

[buoyant pulsar]

i'd even argue this is kinda silly in some cases; there are plenty of times where certain segments of eow for example just aren't moving

i love terraria but there are SO many problems with it lol

[valid crypt]

Terraria is a great but flawed game

[valid crypt]

Being able to go through king slime when the guy isnt bouncing just sounds
Odd

[buoyant pulsar]

but it makes sense

[valid crypt]

Does it??

Idk a house sized blob of corrosive gel sounds not very safe to walk through

[buoyant pulsar]

also remember that it's designed around constantly being dangerous even when not jumping, so in removing contact damage you'd probably have to add another attack in its absense to keep the fight flowing

if you've played risk of rain 2, the gup spiky attack comes to mind

idk

[valid crypt]

I havent

[buoyant pulsar]

there are certain enemies where constant contact damage sort of makes sense

slimes are an example i think

[valid crypt]

And you just said the slime boss makes sense to not have that…

[buoyant pulsar]

but zombies and other fighter ai should have a dedicated lunge attack that deals damage in a discrete burst

[trim kelp]

If warbanner of the Sun would correctly affect omega blue, that alone could boost true melee alot

[valid crypt]

I disagree with zombies
Some ither fighter ai sure
Not zombies

[buoyant pulsar]

king slime is also huge, and emphasizing the jump/slam specifically would be cool. imagine if king slime created a shockwave on landing that dealt damage if you were on the ground and launched you upward

idk

there are ways to fill in the gaps

[valid crypt]

There are ways but i dont see how king slime having a constant hit box removes from the fight

[sour steppe]

Wait, you want to reduce contact damage sources to make it easier to play as a true melee player?

[buoyant pulsar]

no, i want to make contact damage sources come in more discrete and counterable bursts instead of enemies just having a murder aura around them at all times

[valid crypt]

Imo king slime is a bad example since there are exploitable periods where the guy is just
Stationary

[buoyant pulsar]

an enemy like the black recluse for example would not constantly deal damage on contact no matter what it's doing, instead having a lunge attack or something that comes in a burst and can be repeated as the enemy deems necessary

this isn't really that different from how it acts normally, if you think about it; currently, in most circumstances, you will only touch an enemy for a brief moment anyway

[valid crypt]

Imo basic enemies do not need this predictability due to not posing as much a threat as bosses and often dying before getting close if you are doing tmelee anyways

[buoyant pulsar]

sure

[trim kelp]

That would be a huge effort change

Every enemy would need a rework

[buoyant pulsar]

of course it would, im just discussing for fun

there are lots of issues with terraria that are so deeply rooted in the game that pulling them out would either be disproportionately difficult or infuriate a giant percentage of the playerbase

usestyle1 is a great example of this

[trim kelp]

Biggest Problem with terraria ist that its addicting @_@

[buoyant pulsar]

talking about what games do and don't do well is a great way of making better games

[viral merlin]

It's not that big of a deal

[buoyant pulsar]

100% contact damage uptime is stupid, usestyle1 is stupid, melee weapons lacking any ability to close the distance and instead having projectiles slapped onto them in a lazy effort to solve the problem is stupid, summons having total autonomy disconnected from the player almost entirely with the exception of pointing them at specific enemies is stupid in my opinion (specifically, i think you should be able to command your summons to do more specific things, but this one is more niche tbh)

[buoyant pulsar]

melee has a lot of problems and a lot of lackluster solutions

[viral merlin]

You want to turn terraria into not terraria by changing things that don't have to be changed

[valid crypt]

I dont mind melee having a longer ranged option i just think there should be bigger incentive to go close

[misty wren]

usestyle1 is such a bad argument

[viral merlin]

A lot of games like terraria have contact damage and removing it is just silly

[hushed hazel]

usestyle 1 looks stupid

[misty wren]

dont even bother trying to argue about usestyle1 its the single most irrelevant portion of any argument ever

[buoyant pulsar]

i get that changing bad mechanics is changing the identity of the game, regardless of how much it would improve the game, and im mostly just talking about my opinions on how enemies and melee should work in games etc

[buoyant pulsar]

thats why i only brought it up like once or twice and the entire rest of the discussion has been about other things????????

[hushed hazel]

one thing is how the swing only goes down but i hate how little oomph the swing has

[misty wren]

better yet just dont bring it up

[hushed hazel]

it would feel so much better if it just like

[viral merlin]

Also melee does have a way to close in on enemies

Dashing

[misty wren]

its not an argument that adds anything its only there for padding

[viral merlin]

Bunch of nothing burgers

[hushed hazel]

the swing was much faster but it paused for a moment before or after the swing so the attack speed wouldn't change

[buoyant pulsar]

totally agree, but in my opinion specific weapon types should be used for this instead of random projectiles. flails being a slower long range precision weapon, spears and swords being a long medium and short medium range middle ground, and shivs/claw type weapons being short range.

to be clear, i think it's okay for some melee weapons to have projectiles, but i don't think they should be an uninteresting crutch

[viral merlin]

That's pretty much the only problem

Give it more swing variants

[misty wren]

imma be real i think what we should do is not arbitrarily limit ourselves when designing weapons

[buoyant pulsar]

of course

i'm just giving my opinion on an interesting way to vary melee ranges that incorporates the simplest forms of the weapons

you can branch from there all you want and have exceptions as you see fit, but i think that having general loose ideas is a good thing

[dreamy mauve]

I personally think weapons should do damage

[still bluff]

i disagree

[dreamy mauve]

well Yanmei's knife is gone so uhhhhhhhh

[still bluff]

my dev weapon will heal the enemies

just to spite you

[dreamy mauve]

horror

[viral merlin]

Dev weapon that turns normal enemies into bosses

(ror 2 elite variants)

[misty wren]

dev weapon that turns specifically aquatic scourge into a random normal enemy

[dreamy mauve]

the entire scourge into one enemy or one segment into one enemy

[misty wren]

entire scourge into one enemy

[still bluff]

yes fuck you aquatic scourge

[misty wren]

specifically a frog

[viral merlin]

Turns him into a digger

[misty wren]

this is in reference to a specific crossmod bug

[still bluff]

weapon that changes the damage type of all the other weapons in your inventory

[viral merlin]

Melee type summoner

[buoyant pulsar]

the two innate challenges melee faces in terraria and most other games are these

1. Closing the distance to your enemy
2. Being more vulnerable to enemy attacks

Terraria addresses the first problem by giving tons of melee weapons projectiles to a ridiculous degree. Most games would do this with some kind of charge, blade dash, or even just a simple movement speed buff. But we don't do that here, instead let's make our close ranged weapons not close ranged.

Terraria addresses the second problem by just overloading the player with defense and calling it a day, expecting you to facetank. Let's say you're fighting plantera with an ordinary hypothetical on tier true melee sword; usestyle1 in conjunction with contact damage in conjunction with limited range encourages the player to stay in an extremely specific distance away from the boss and position relative to the boss in order to both deal damage and avoid taking damage. also plantera shoots projectiles in your face. good luck.

[misty wren]

(hex wand from thorium is iirc currently bugged to be able to affect aquatic scourge)

[buoyant pulsar]

usestyle1 actually does come into play here and it's not because it looks dumb. it forces you to attack a boss from a specific angle, and it's just dilapidated game design from what claims to be an action game

plus weapons like the fiery greatsword, which move so slow a rock would have time to evacuate before the hit connected

i digress

[azure oak]

19 days

[native thistle]

A mod, in calamity

[analog helm]

calamity's mod

[dry whale]

how about I stab you with my true melee

[azure oak]

how many weapons in the mod currently are considered "done"

[dry whale]

that's actually an interesting question

[azure oak]

can't imagine there are many

[hushed hazel]

yeah probably not a lot

i don't think many weapons are immune to someone down the line looking at it and going "man this reeks"

[azure oak]

there's some stand-out weapons rn that probably won't get changed much but yeah

like biome blade / ark line

forbidden oathblade line is probably also gonna fit into that when it releases

[spark kiln]

like a lot unless they want to do unnecessary reworks

[lapis oak]

It's more like the devs skill levels have reached a new high and see their old works could be better

Because what could be considered good for today might not reach their standards in the future

Calling it unnecessary is kind of false idk

[spark kiln]

there’s a lot of weapons that reworking would be unnecessary

[summer shore]

Well if it's good enough even for current standards then it would indeed be unnecessary to rework

[spark kiln]

i mean if the standards were to go above current standards that would be unnecessary too

like not every weapon needs to be fuckin crazy

[lapis oak]

State of being "done" is not exclusively for rework alone

[spark kiln]

i’m only excluding balance changes

idk man let’s say wulfrum prothesis i don’t see a world where that gets major changes i would definitely call it unnecessary

[subtle pagoda]

they want to get rid of the weapon bloat i assume

[spark kiln]

i mean already reworked ones

ones that are already up to standard

there’s a lot of those

it’s not only ark of the cosmos

[subtle pagoda]

more yummy content for me 🤑

[lapis oak]

Not true, things can be polished from such little and smaller changes and still be better than what it is now

[subtle pagoda]

me personally i want every melee weapon to look like murasama

[lapis oak]

Little improvements and touch ups can help so much to bring something that is already good to a new high

[spark kiln]

there’s a lot of weapons where that’s just not needed either tho

[summer shore]

ye

[spark kiln]

if u spend time making all the little things perfect development will just be slow

and if they plan with going through all these big reworks and additions you need to know when to call something done

[subtle pagoda]

this update is the biggest one by far

quoting shayy

weapon reworks are only a part of the update

theres a lot more things that make the update take long i assume

[spark kiln]

i’m not talking about sso

i’m talking about the idea of only 1 or 2 weapons being truly “done”

[mystic eagle]

SSO spiralled way out of control

[lapis oak]

I'd would say a few amounts of recent stuff could get some touch ups right now

Or see it being contenders for improvements

[mystic eagle]

The devs are bit too fixated on everything they deem marginally outdated

At this point, we're likely not getting SSO this year

[lapis oak]

August 12th

[mystic eagle]

2036

[lapis oak]

In 5 days

No no 2025

[subtle pagoda]

what does the O stand for btw

[lapis oak]

Overhaul

[summer shore]

Orange

Like the dev role

[mystic eagle]

Alright, do we think SSO releases this year or next year?

[subtle pagoda]

thought it was called expansion

[lapis oak]

No it's being overhauled

[lean relic]

this year

[subtle pagoda]

its releasing december because december is blue like sunken sea

september is orange

january is yellow

[lapis oak]

Vas?

What are those even based on

[spark kiln]

i kinda see it but no it’s blue

[raw pendant]

Next year

[spark kiln]

sso is always next year

in 2026 it’ll be next year

[raw pendant]

Yeah

Sso in 2026

[spark kiln]

no

sso next year

[raw pendant]

??

That's what I said

[spark kiln]

it’s not in 2026

it’s always next year

[subtle pagoda]

sso is always soon

[dusk bronze]

sso tomorrow

if not, read statement again

[azure oak]

changelogs tomorrow

[subtle pagoda]

new st drops soon

[dull heart]

Hi this isn't the issue

Reworking other stuff is a symptom of the problem, not the cause of it

The problem being holdups preventing moving forward with content - be it the pathfinding system, sprites needing to be done, whatever

[lapis oak]

Find them paths

[mystic eagle]

That can also be done after SSO though

Not everything needs to be in SSO

Most of the update's contents don't seem to be about the Sunken Sea anymore

[dusk bronze]

iirc the reason they kept reworking minor stuff was bc fab kept vetoing a lot of the other shit they tried to do so they were like "might as well rework another weapon since i can't do [that]"

[lapis oak]

Because not everyone on the devs are working on the SS itself

[mystic eagle]

I know

[dull heart]

... The pathfinding required for SS creatures and the sprites for SS content isn't needed for SSO?

[mystic eagle]

Right right

But for the other entities

[dull heart]

what

I'm not sure what you're talking about

[mystic eagle]

Me neither actually

[lapis oak]

Ye, SS has been stuck big time, so other devs have a lot of time doing something else

[mystic eagle]

Just that SSO has become Scope Creep: The Update

[dull heart]

idk about that specifically

[dull heart]

It's not really scope creep, it's just poor planning

[subtle pagoda]

calamity mod is DYING without fabsol!

[late eagle]

[dull heart]

SSO isn't being delayed by the addition of other content

Other content is being added because things are taking so long

[lapis oak]

That's right

[azure oak]

lies

[lapis oak]

SSO is just big stuck

[dry whale]

your taking too long

[azure oak]

calamity mod is THRIVING without fabsol!

[subtle pagoda]

addition of other content is delayed by SSO!

[dull heart]

honestly

I could see saying that yeah

[lapis oak]

That's kinda true actually

[subtle pagoda]

yeah!

doze can you say 50 euros

please

[dull heart]

No

[subtle pagoda]

please

[late eagle]

How do I call the moderators?

[lapis oak]

Modmail

[hasty tangle]

called modmail already

[pulsar cobalt]

dm staff mail

[subtle pagoda]

thank you drake

[hasty tangle]

mods asleep ig

[pulsar cobalt]

nuh uh

[subtle pagoda]

i will drake

[pulsar cobalt]

leons awake

just saw him like 15 mins ago

[dusk bronze]

i already did

[mystic eagle]

People trying to not get scammed by very obvious scams difficulty: Impossible

[dry whale]

garbo was in lore talk a moment ago

[dusk bronze]

but for the future you dm modmail

[lapis oak]

Apply 500 more mods for instant ban 24/7

[subtle pagoda]

every mod should spread out onto every channel to increase viability and reaction time

[dusk bronze]

ture

[dull heart]

The calamity without the mods 😞

[subtle pagoda]

including the calamity mod which will be getting its own special channel

[mystic eagle]

featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series

[subtle pagoda]

to motivate users to discover other channels, yharim will occasionally shower multiple channels with changelogs

[lapis oak]

That's evil

[subtle pagoda]

thank you for the feedback its very much appreciated

from now on, john fables will erase a changelog every minute it goes undiscovered. you’ve been warned

for further clarification, the changelogs will be completely removed from the game

and will never see the light of calamity ever again

[pseudo vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249137288508866640/1335473173143097424/suayrez_-_1885886611319115936-ezgif.com-speed_1.gif

[dusk bronze]

hello cd

[prisma cipher]

My current mental capacity

[late eagle]

3000 - Removed Calamity - Done✅

[hasty tangle]

I think removing calamity would cause quite a calamity

thus the amount of calamity in the world would not decrease

[fringe quiver]

:true:

[hasty tangle]

[subtle pagoda]

what is the worst calamity boss currently

other than dog and ravager

[pulsar cobalt]

signus

[hasty tangle]

exos id say

[subtle pagoda]

i hate cal clone i hate cal clone

[lapis oak]

Oh man the economy is horrible

[subtle pagoda]

i wouldnt say exos are at cal clone level of horrid

[dusk bronze]

death polter

[subtle pagoda]

or aureus

[hasty tangle]

exos kinda have the same thing as dog where they're pretty important to the mod yet not a good fight

ig you could argue that for calclone too

cuz like, who cares about someone like aureus

sure, some ppl do, but not nearly as much as dog or exos

[fringe quiver]

aureus isnt htat bad to me ngl

idk why people hate it like its the antichrist itself

its just . Fine

[hasty tangle]

id also say exos are more of an issue than calclone since, yknow, they're one of the final bosses

[fringe quiver]

its kinda meh but it works

[subtle pagoda]

literally everything about cal clone is outdated
twins ai, calamitas bullet hell (yes i know its a clone and allat), literal twins phase, sprites

and its literally a forced fight too

[fringe quiver]

for fabsolian standards aureus is like. probalby one of the more decent ones

not to say its. good. though

[subtle pagoda]

you have to summon this boss every 30 attempts or so

[fringe quiver]

atleast there's Some actual interesting loop to its fight over just

run left

run right

fly left

fly right

Having to go under it while it jumps is a fun little loop i hope the eventual rework keeps that idea in some way

[subtle pagoda]

literally every weapon except entropys vigil sucks absolute ass so you have no reason to fight cal clone other than ashes of calamity and MAYBE chaos stone

[cunning sequoia]

but then again, that mindset can lead to optional bosses being way less developed

[hasty tangle]

you're not wrong, but i also think its reasonable to say that more important bosses should get attention first

[cunning sequoia]

that's fair

[fringe quiver]

i think all bosses and content in general should get their due attention eventually but its fiar to prioritize certain things

[lapis oak]

Still I think faces of the mod should be prioritized to the acceptable levels first

[subtle pagoda]

as far as i know cal clone has not gotten a resprite

for 6 whole years

[fringe quiver]

i think SSO being the first truly "modernizing" update cal has is great actually because well

it'll rework the stuff at the very start of th egame

so at the very least the beggining of the mod will leave a good impression for what's to come in future updates

[dull heart]

yeah

DS especially

[subtle pagoda]

a forced fight offering literally just a recycle of a boss and a few mid weapons i HATE CAL CLONE

[dull heart]

and early SS

[fringe quiver]

god the thought that theres a evil fucked up timeline where fab was still in the team and the entirety of the sunken sea gets modernized but then desert scourge is the slopfest worm boss demon still is scary

[mystic eagle]

Pre-HM Sunken Sea will flourish

[fringe quiver]

evil fucked up timeline where the disparity in quality between cal biomes and cal bosses is so bad that its uncanny

[pulsar cobalt]

u can skip her and do ravager instead

[lapis oak]

Doze rate the beauty of the new SS

[cunning sequoia]

fabsollian yharim 😨

[mystic eagle]

Fighter AI

[subtle pagoda]

but then YOU NEED TO FIGHT TRUE CALAMITAS

so you need to craft the summon

and summon it for literally like 3 seconds before obliterating it

oh wait

no

you need to go through the bullet hell phases

[pulsar cobalt]

u can do post prov rav for ashes of calamity

[subtle pagoda]

I DONT CARE REWORK CAL CLONE

[mystic eagle]

not yet

[subtle pagoda]

how long must i fight this amalgamation of reused content

before it gets a proper rework

[mystic eagle]

There is more important stuff that needs to be reworked

[dull heart]

like

[subtle pagoda]

6 whole fucking years

of the same sprite

[mystic eagle]

Yharon:

[subtle pagoda]

yharon is actually bearable though

[dull heart]

sprites are more reason that clone will be taking a while

[dusk bronze]

the sprite sure isn't

[lapis oak]

The sprite surely isn't

[pseudo vector]

we'll get around to cal clone but she's not a priority

yharon is years overdue

[mystic eagle]

Yharon mostly needs a resprite atm

[dull heart]

yeah yharon sprite is way worse than clone

[mystic eagle]

The fight is actually pretty good

[pseudo vector]

his sprite is basically the big thing holding him back from getting a rework i'm pretty sure

[dull heart]

that and just

time

[pseudo vector]

yeah

[lapis oak]

I'd say it's mid

[pseudo vector]

yharon's rework would be a small update unto itself

[lapis oak]

Good for low standard

[subtle pagoda]

i love cal clone!

[dull heart]

Clone fight would be good if it had a box

And if brothers were good

[subtle pagoda]

and if the whole fight was remade

yes

[dull heart]

nah the rest would be fine enough

[pseudo vector]

i think we actually discussed the clone box the other day right?

[dull heart]

yeah

[pseudo vector]

would make for an interesting enough precursor to the scal box at least

[lapis oak]

Kill Scal's box blocks and replace it with actual pretty border 🥺

[pseudo vector]

you'd have that similarity between the two

[dull heart]

The blocks wouldn't die

[dusk bronze]

oh god please

it looks so bad rn

[dull heart]

But a pretty border would cover them up

[pseudo vector]

yeah

[subtle pagoda]

oh wait it wasnt even 6 years

[pseudo vector]

you'd still be able to land on them and everything

[subtle pagoda]

might've been actually fucking 8

[lapis oak]

At least make the border cover up the blocks

Like, hide it

I don't wanna see the actual blocks

[urban cloak]

that is what doze said would happen yes

[pseudo vector]

it'd be really cruel if we had a bed of spikes on the ground during later phases

[lapis oak]

Thank you!!!

[pseudo vector]

random idea that came to the brain

[lapis oak]

🙏

[cunning sequoia]

the nefarious infernum providence

[lapis oak]

Infernum Golem

[cunning sequoia]

damn infernum likes doing this

[lapis oak]

Wait... it's all Infernum again...

What did Lucille mean by this

[urban cloak]

this could be peak if we execute it well actually

keep that idea in mind

[pseudo vector]

infernum does so many ideas that would go hard in base cal

[cunning sequoia]

make her raze the ground with a laser

like rancor

[mystic eagle]

imo the best boss in terms of visuals is Providence

[dusk bronze]

rancor lava would be hype

[urban cloak]

EXACTLY what im thinking

[pseudo vector]

because infernum's boss design is actually really good regardless of the insane difficulty

[urban cloak]

i NEED bosses to actually use attacks from their weapons and vice versa

[pseudo vector]

shoutout lucille

[lapis oak]

Omg not Rancor's lava

[mystic eagle]

Or in the Master Crown way

[lapis oak]

That looks horrible

[floral jungle]

rancor's hands maybe

[fathom girder]

not every boss needs a box to be good >:(

[dull heart]

I literally

I suggested one boss

[pseudo vector]

calamitas pulling out her weapons would make sense, but infernum does that already lmao

[urban cloak]

eh we can do it too

[cunning sequoia]

make her use condemnation

[dull heart]

Yeah, although infernum leans more into pattern memorization than I think we should

[cunning sequoia]

i want calamitas with a fucking crossbow

[mystic eagle]

❌

[pseudo vector]

true

[mystic eagle]

Give her a new Ranger weapon instead

[dull heart]

No

[mystic eagle]

yes

[dull heart]

No

[mystic eagle]

Indeed

[dusk bronze]

condemnation sucks from a design standpoint not sorry

[dull heart]

Scal should use violence RClick on the player

[subtle pagoda]

make every cal clone drop a worse version of calamitas' drops

[dusk bronze]

do something unique

[subtle pagoda]

or vice versa

as in weapons

[lapis oak]

Reminded that Condemnation pretty arrow's sprite is covered up by glorpshit red overlay 🥀

Can't see shit

[pseudo vector]

scal yoyo that summons the vortex of death and destruction or whatever from the fight

[mystic eagle]

Cataclysm should drop Havoc's Breath EX

[dull heart]

That's just violence

[dusk bronze]

it's incredible how the brimstone monster sprite survived for that fucking long

[dull heart]

Catastrophe should drop Catastrophe Claymore

[pulsar cobalt]

whispering maelstrom

[cunning sequoia]

ngl i just rly like condemnation sprite

its pwetty

[lapis oak]

Wait a minute...

[subtle pagoda]

make cal clone summon a worse version of sepulcher

[PLEASE

[desert path]

I love memorizing patterns my tiny brain does it better than actually adapting on the fly

[subtle pagoda]

I NEED MORE WORMS

[lapis oak]

Can't even see the super peak arrow sprite just because it got a red overlay covered it 💔

[dull heart]

No

[desert path]

Duke fishworm

[urban cloak]

there was a concept for a remake for it pre-22 iirc? but ofc that died after the events unfolded

[desert path]

Arteworm and Apollworm

[dull heart]

Calclone summon being brothers is what makes Cinders of Lament work

[pseudo vector]

i know that DS is sort of being de-wormified
still a segmented boss but not a traditional worm

[dull heart]

however the summon does need a rework, as does Cinders

DS is definitely still a worm it just looks unique and doesn't have 1000 many sefmentt

[fringe quiver]

it's still technically a worm boss by virtue of being segmented and all but as far as i'm aware it's not coded or behaves like a traditional worm enemy

[urban cloak]

✅

[pseudo vector]

yeah its nothing like a traditional worm

still segmented just with unique ai

[lapis oak]

Wurm

[dusk bronze]

unique ai gif

[pulsar cobalt]

fabsolian worms be like "fifty segments please"

[dull heart]

the code is different than current cal worms but also it's definitely still worm code

[pulsar cobalt]

work code

[pseudo vector]

i can't wait for when we can actually show new DS

[subtle pagoda]

fabsolian calamity be like "let me take 5 years for an update"

[mystic eagle]

You can already

[dull heart]

It's behavior is different than cal worms because it's actually unique

[mystic eagle]

You would just be removed from the team

[dusk bronze]

what's preventing it
(genuine question)

[lapis oak]

Rogue dev moment

[fringe quiver]

I mean. i assume that. you know

devs just dont wanan lmao

[pseudo vector]

its not in a state where we can show it, nor do we want to leak it lmao

[dull heart]

Just yesterday I coded a whole new worm system that'll be usable for every worm going forward

[pulsar cobalt]

i mean u CAN show it now

[pseudo vector]

you've got your little bits of it at least

[dusk bronze]

wait seriously

hype

[mystic eagle]

How does it work

[dull heart]

it worms

It also supports animations

[mystic eagle]

Noted

[fringe quiver]

what's the difference between it and vanilla worm code anyways

ah

[pseudo vector]

oh yeah i saw you post that yesterday

[lapis oak]

Wurm

[azure oak]

but does it worm better?

[fringe quiver]

yeah that amkes sense

[mystic eagle]

[dull heart]

Yes

[dusk bronze]

holy shit finally

[mystic eagle]

Also noted

[azure oak]

good

[pulsar cobalt]

i cant believe calamity mod uses ai

smh

[dusk bronze]

wait how is thanatos animated then

[dull heart]

All segments are handled by the head itself, body hitboxes only have logic to move them to the correct segment location based on where the head says it should be

[pseudo vector]

witchcraft

[urban cloak]

"animations" as in the ability to manipulate the segments to do more diverse movements besides just trailing behind the head

[dull heart]

^

[urban cloak]

sprite animations are done separately and are very easy

[dull heart]

Animations in terms of worm position

[dusk bronze]

ah

[azure oak]

desert scourge tail slam please

[dusk bronze]

neat

[urban cloak]

so for example if we wanted to make storm weaver do some funky ass tail whip we can do that now with more ease

[fringe quiver]

Oh that's pretty cool

[dull heart]

hmm would it be a bad idea to show my demo video with a disclaimer attached that it is NOT a change to any actual worm

[dusk bronze]

dew it

[lapis oak]

Show it

[azure oak]

put the disclaimer in the middle so it can't be removed

[pulsar cobalt]

make a demo video with a very obvious dummy sprite

[dull heart]

There's no real spoilers there but someone's definitely gonna think it means AS is getting reworked

[urban cloak]

just make sure the disclaimer is in big bold letters in the message and you're good 👍

[dull heart]

but I just chose AS bc they were a worm

[pseudo vector]

just clarify things i guess lmao

that's the best you can do imo

[azure oak]

make it clear and put it where it cannot be cropped out

[subtle pagoda]

is AS getting a resprite anytime soon

with the DS resprite maybe please

[urban cloak]

won't be in sso thats for sure

[pseudo vector]

after SSO yeah

[urban cloak]

maybe whenever we decide to update sso

fuck sorry

acid rain

[pseudo vector]

LOL

[lapis oak]

Pack it up SSO is fake

[pseudo vector]

acid rain my uhhhhh

beneutral

[dusk bronze]

acid rain update will save me

[subtle pagoda]

sunken sea overhaul update

more like

overhaul update

[fringe quiver]

true!

[urban cloak]

im just conditioned to say sso whenever talking about an update now 🥹

[pulsar cobalt]

YOU HEARD THIS HERE FIRST FOLKS

AS RESPRITE COMING OUT IN SSO

[dusk bronze]

✅

[pseudo vector]

me when i lie

[dull heart]

THIS IS NOT TEASING AN AQUATIC SCOURGE REWORK. This is a demo of a new worm system featuring animations such as the tail circle shown here. AS sprite is being used simply because they're a very basic worm that was easy to code with as a demo

there

[azure oak]

yoooooo

[dusk bronze]

woag

[azure oak]

that looks sick

[cunning sequoia]

the wiggler

[dull heart]

The animation there is very very quick and dirty

[pseudo vector]

wiggly worm

[dusk bronze]

AS fightable in forest now?

[urban cloak]

overworld scourge

[mystic eagle]

Aquatic Scourge whip at 0:07

[dull heart]

Pure Scourge

[still heart]

That’s awesome

[floral jungle]

aquatic scourge pinching you with the tail

[subtle pagoda]

okay got it

[pseudo vector]

LOL

[urban cloak]

😭

[silk terrace]

holy shit new spoiler

[dull heart]

lol

[still heart]

Aquatic scorpion

[pseudo vector]

its gonna feel weird when we can finally say smth other than SSO in regards to upcoming updates

[unique kernel]

This looks really cool❤️

[dull heart]

Once I finish this system fully it's very likely every calamity worm uses it going forward, even if it doesn't use the animations

[mystic eagle]

Distortion will contain another dimension

[dusk bronze]

🤯

[subtle pagoda]

guys you know how distortion is a dimension right

[unique kernel]

SSO pt 2

[subtle pagoda]

imagine

we got a distortion boss

and ores

[mystic eagle]

Sounds unbelievable

[cunning sequoia]

post this on red nation and they'll believe you

[dusk bronze]

true

[lapis oak]

Post it now actually

100 reddit golds

[still heart]

Don’t we kind of

[subtle pagoda]

Thanks for the reddit gold kind stranger! Dattebayo!

[still heart]

Isn’t that basically what DoG is

[mystic eagle]

We already got 4

[azure oak]

can't wait to see what's done for desert scourge with the new system

[subtle pagoda]

is that how you use yharon pat

[lapis oak]

Spike ball tail that slam the ground

[azure oak]

need tail slam

[mystic eagle]

It turns into a whip mid fight and you can swing it around

[dull heart]

DS technically doesn't use this system, but it does use my first version of it

[mystic eagle]

Oh I see

[unique kernel]

Either way I’ll handle it gambere gambere😏

[subtle pagoda]

spike ball tail trying to slam my 5 rows of platforms that i will use for every boss

[dull heart]

Once I fully finish it I might move DS to this new system

[still heart]

What does this imply

[dull heart]

Assuming Ennway is fine with that ofc

[subtle pagoda]

that it WAS A JOKE

jesus

[azure oak]

can the first version also do animations

[dull heart]

yes

[azure oak]

aight

[subtle pagoda]

GOD!

[still heart]

Ok

[dull heart]

The first version just has much worse animation support

[lapis oak]

How much coding adjustment will be needed?

[dull heart]

shouldn't be too bad

[lapis oak]

I see

[late eagle]

After ds what boss will be reworked?

[dull heart]

also what DS works with for segments and moving logic was entirely built by Ennway

I just did the animations

so it does work differently but the underlying principle is the same

[dusk bronze]

slime god in p1

crabulon in p2

[dull heart]

this is actually nearly 1-1 the system Invoked Stargod uses, but with added features bc ISG didn't need animations

[dusk bronze]

oh also dog in p1

[lapis oak]

Fabsolian Slime God

😨

[dull heart]

I might also be reworking another boss in pt1 due to how bad they were in death + how simple they seemed to make notably better

but the changes are to rev and death both

[lapis oak]

Not Ravager I assume because you already on that

[mystic eagle]

PBG?

[dull heart]

I think PBG is probably just getting there BH changes undone

[azure oak]

skeletron please please please please

[late eagle]

I know about crabulon, but it's not like they'll make a part 2 right after p1

[mystic eagle]

Uhhh Folly

[lapis oak]

Good, the minions still glorpshit tho

[dull heart]

Reworking one of Cal's best liked bosses would be silly

[mystic eagle]

Hive Mind

[dusk bronze]

yeah absolutely not

[pulsar cobalt]

i dont know any boss thats specifically bad in death

[dull heart]

keep in mind

This is master death

[late eagle]

So in the meantime, what other boss will be reworked that was my question

[mystic eagle]

Yeah that's Hive Mind

[pulsar cobalt]

sprime

[dusk bronze]

sprime

[dull heart]

Also they weren't great in general it's just specifically death testing

that I noticed

[pseudo vector]

i'm still not sure what we can and can't talk about in regards to boss tweaks lmao

[pulsar cobalt]

mm

[dull heart]

The changes are notable on rev too

[lapis oak]

We'll just have to see

[dull heart]

but you'll see what it is later

[pulsar cobalt]

notably bad in mdeath

[lapis oak]

👍

[pulsar cobalt]

but not exclusively bad to it,,,

[late eagle]

Yeah I'm just trying to get some information with the devs

[dull heart]

not even notably I just

[lapis oak]

You'll have much better chance doing that to Tringle honestly

[dull heart]

was playing death when I noticed

[lapis oak]

Although he hasn't been talking here much lately

[late eagle]

True where is my favorite geometric form

[pseudo vector]

triangle has been playing a lot of pokemon lately lol

[late eagle]

[subtle pagoda]

iss there a chance that a boss could be completely removed from the game?

[lapis oak]

Because of Xyk?

[stone zephyr]

what pokemon game

[dusk bronze]

old duke

[pseudo vector]

i no rember

[dull heart]

I don't think so

[mystic eagle]

❌

[late eagle]

Fire red iirc

[stone zephyr]

lowkey great sand shark is so irrelevant though

[late eagle]

I remember something like this

[thorny glacier]

sadly, no

[mystic eagle]

Old Duke is in a serviceable shape rn

[dull heart]

gss ain't even a boss

[stone zephyr]

oh

oops

my bad

[dull heart]

I don't think it is at least

[late eagle]

Fire red is pretty good I enjoyed playing it

[dull heart]

it's an event boss for sandstorms

[inner thunder]

I've only ever done tier 3 acid rain mini boss once

[mystic eagle]

It's not as it does not have a unique theme

[pseudo vector]

its classed as a miniboss according to the wiki at least

[dusk bronze]

which one

[mystic eagle]

It just has the sandstorm theme

[dull heart]

neither does torch god

(yet)

[mystic eagle]

VCMM :troll_face:

[subtle pagoda]

wait is there still an update order

[lapis oak]

King Slime getting a new theme it sounds funky

[dull heart]

Yes

1. SSO
2. Other stuff

[pseudo vector]

past sso not really

[dull heart]

once SSO is ready we'll figure out what's next

[pseudo vector]

there's landmark updates we have in mind but there's no "order"

[lapis oak]

Oh man, so much stuff to do

Actually exciting new era

[dusk bronze]

update order:
sso p1
????
sso p2
??????????

[thorny glacier]

sso p2
crags
distortion
aerie

prov shtuff and astral infection is somewhere in the middle idk

[dusk bronze]

profaned biome unconfirmed

[mystic eagle]

There isn't really confirmation about a profaned update

[pseudo vector]

[subtle pagoda]

theres a part 2?

[dusk bronze]

yuh

[lapis oak]

Ye

[dull heart]

this isn't entirely accurate

[lapis oak]

Hardmode stuff

[dusk bronze]

it has:
hardmode ss stuff
whips
crabulon
gss
uhhhhhh

[subtle pagoda]

we're never getting yharim 😭

joke

[dull heart]

like yeah crags will be done before distortion and aerie will be last

but that implies a set timeline on updates when really it's just that Distortion is too big to do earlier

Aerie/Yharim will be last on purpose

[pseudo vector]

pretty much

[thorny glacier]

oh
plus the ravager rework(though im not sure how big it will[it can come out along with crags overhaul])

[dull heart]

ultimately the next update will always be what the team feels like working on

[patent dirge]

how's tier 5 doing? havent checked it in a while

[late eagle]

I imagine that when we get to Yharim, the devs will already have a lot more experience making bosses for Calamity

[dusk bronze]

probably bco

[dusk bronze]

boss rush t5 theme?

[pseudo vector]

i've mentioned previously that making existing content more consistently good is likely going to be our priority over new bosses or whatever

[late eagle]

He's probably gonna be the peakest boss of the mod

[patent dirge]

yeah

[pseudo vector]

not been my focus since T1E

[dull heart]

nah the peakest boss is gonna be scal

[subtle pagoda]

calamitas will stay in the game after ravager rework

[mystic eagle]

Exos aswell

pls

[lapis oak]

So true

[pseudo vector]

i plan to do T2E -> T3E -> T5

[patent dirge]

sounds good

[subtle pagoda]

whats encore version btw

is it js a config

[dull heart]

exos can't stand a chance without their theme but once it's done perhaps

[subtle pagoda]

to get different themes

[thorny glacier]

remasters

[dusk bronze]

not in the mod

[thorny glacier]

so to speak

[pseudo vector]

newer, reimagined versions of the old boss rush tracks (T1-3)

[patent dirge]

perhaps once they have seen through their battle..

[lapis oak]

You heard it CD

Time to peak

[pseudo vector]

i'm aware that exos is riding on the theme's completion lmao

its yharon's sprite and exo's theme

[dull heart]

scal theme alone carries a huge amount of the weight of her fight's atmosphere

[still heart]

Fr

[subtle pagoda]

cd i've seen a comment from you saying something along the lines of 'tier 5 is going to be different than what most people expect'

did you actually say it

[pseudo vector]

yes

[lapis oak]

It's so peak (I'm super melancholic and orchestral biased)

[subtle pagoda]

okay my insomnia is not catching up to me yet

thank gozzzzzzzzzzz

[pseudo vector]

i have plans for tier 5, but only once T2E and T3E are done

[dull heart]

scal theme is just her aura farming

[dusk bronze]

true

[mystic eagle]

SCal is the knight

[lapis oak]

Truest

[dull heart]

I don't think we'll have any song aura farm harder than SBC

Even if it's a better song overall

[late eagle]

It's just tale of a cruel world in Kazoo

[subtle pagoda]

different in what way if you can say

[patent dirge]

being able to hear and understand the lyrics behind scal's theme makes the track even more fluent

[late eagle]

[subtle pagoda]

[pseudo vector]

dw i gotchu

exos ultimate aura farming coming right up

[late eagle]

I believe in u🫡

[lapis oak]

"Right up"

[graceful hawk]

is there a timeframe for roughly when the next major update comes out

[dull heart]

I don't think exos theme should aura farm quite like that but it will be peak

[subtle pagoda]

check pins, no there isnt

[dusk bronze]

hopefully this year but we dunno

[patent dirge]

no one really specifies anything

[dull heart]

Yharim is the other boss I can see aura farming theme going for

[pseudo vector]

i think the new name for the exos theme probably has the most aura of any theme name i've come up with
you'll see the new name when the theme is out or whatever

[subtle pagoda]

its always going to be soon™

[mystic eagle]

What about Crabulon

[dull heart]

what about crab

[thorny glacier]

i truly hope it’s november

[dull heart]

infestation is super good but it's definitely not an aura farm type song

[subtle pagoda]

oily, mechanical calamity

[mystic eagle]

Crabulon should get an aurafarming song

[patent dirge]

infestation is an upbeat introduction into the mod imo

[pseudo vector]

i have a progression in mind for boss rush thematically

[dull heart]

Mecalamity

[dull heart]

no

[mystic eagle]

Why not

[dull heart]

(killing a dokuro song is not happening)

[subtle pagoda]

lofi, intense lofi, goes fucking crazy after that

[dusk bronze]

unholy insurgency has slightly more aura imo

[mystic eagle]

Okay give Crabulon a phase 2 song then

[thorny glacier]

infestation phonk when(wishful thinking)

[patent dirge]

scal phonk

[dull heart]

In phonk station

[fringe quiver]

why would crabulon get a phase 2 song

[dusk bronze]

crab

[lapis oak]

I don't think so Silva, or are you implying something like Fables' desperation phase

[thorny glacier]

I’d say lofi version of wasteland seems cool

[patent dirge]

so he can deliver a message to his master

[fringe quiver]

no other boss in the game has that except the ones literally in the end of the game 😭

It'd be so random

[pseudo vector]

T1E leans really hard into the simulation vibe
T2E is gonna be really energetic
T3E is probably gonna be the most brutal sounding
T4 is meant to be the climax intensity-wise and the most "epic" sounding
T5 is gonna be the emotional climax of the whole thing

[late eagle]

Oh yeah I was waiting for this

[subtle pagoda]

i got new information for the next 6 months

[dusk bronze]

wait are there plans to implement encore themes

[patent dirge]

the calm part in T4 is my favorite

[subtle pagoda]

i will now screenshot it and print it

[pseudo vector]

yeah we've come up with a way to implement them

[dusk bronze]

o shit

[lapis oak]

Boss rush overhaul update...

[fringe quiver]

can we get a song for when we got to xeroc's house and hang out and smoke a fat blunt with him

[late eagle]

Party girl😊

[subtle pagoda]

will there be a config to revert the older themes (pre encore)

[fathom girder]

nightmare blunt rotation

[subtle pagoda]

i feel like tier 1 is too iconic

[hushed hazel]

taking a fat schpuff on that primordial doobie

[fathom girder]

draedon xeroc yharim

[dull heart]

You'll see

[fringe quiver]

he specifically said they found a way to implement them, not that they'll replace the previous songs

[subtle pagoda]

is holding the terminus going to summon a super boss rush with encore

[spark kiln]

why on earth does the 3rd boss need 2 songs

[subtle pagoda]

if i guessed right please let me know

oh

D:

[pseudo vector]

i feel okay talking about it since its stuff i'm working on personally

[thorny glacier]

fables did so

[hushed hazel]

something gives me the impression she was not being genuine

[thorny glacier]

not a bad idea actually

[subtle pagoda]

there's a rumor going around that you're going to quit after exo mechs theme, is that true

[spark kiln]

fables has a terraria like soundtrack

[pseudo vector]

i do want the first attempt of boss rush people do tho to have the encores playing for the best experience

[spark kiln]

calamity doesn’t

[pseudo vector]

nope, i'm back full time now

[lapis oak]

The phase lasts for like 10 seconds it's not really a comparison

[late eagle]

Oh cd will this setting (or not) be added to Sunken Sea with just the first song or only after they are all released?

[subtle pagoda]

encore tier 4 when

[pseudo vector]

never probably

[subtle pagoda]

[pseudo vector]

idk how i could make T4 any more crazy

[dull heart]

Tier 1 Encore Encore when

[pulsar cobalt]

cuz hes the perfect one duh

[pseudo vector]

but i think T2E might be the one to beat T4

[subtle pagoda]

tier 1 encore remaster when

[pseudo vector]

not even joking

[subtle pagoda]

i love tier 2

[dull heart]

CD is stuck making boss rush encores for the rest of time

[subtle pagoda]

everyone is focused on tier 1 and 3

[lapis oak]

It's fate

[subtle pagoda]

while tier 2 just exists

[fringe quiver]

hahahah! someone should kill you 😊

[subtle pagoda]

draedon theme encore when

[pseudo vector]

exo mech theme never comes out because i'm stuck in boss rush purgatory forever

sorry guys

[thorny glacier]

:(

[pseudo vector]

(i'm joking btw)

[lapis oak]

[subtle pagoda]

no you are not

[thorny glacier]

:D

[subtle pagoda]

its okay

[late eagle]

Pls I want to know🥺

[pseudo vector]

if i can get all 3 encores done before sso probably

might challenge myself to do that

[dusk bronze]

fucking how

[plush carbon]

That's not gonna be that hard

[spark kiln]

cuz sso isn’t coming out

[dusk bronze]

oh right true