#calamity-update-talk

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lapis oak
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does Terraria have any background with default tree?

valid crypt
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This looking like a whole ass rework over a few touchups so the boss is tolerable

urban cloak
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i have a texture pack enabled that revamps backgrounds

lapis oak
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oh

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xd

azure oak
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so is the whole shattered background thing just now the new background or is it for something specific in the fight like an attack

lapis oak
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shader attack 😇

valid crypt
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Dog spawns in by shattering through the background clueless

hasty tangle
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and then he attacks you irl

urban cloak
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the visual stuff im doing out of my own volition

hasty tangle
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actually, thats it

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dog forms the ring himself

urban cloak
lapis oak
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ring... like... old Astrum Deus ring...

vivid hemlock
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the swarm

arctic cliff
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NEW BOSS BACKGROUND EFFECT!??! holy shit

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THATS ALL I WANTED

vivid hemlock
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now we just need to get a new shader for yharon

fringe quiver
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thats wild

valid path
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Is this supposed to be dog?

valid crypt
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You can see dog

dull heart
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dog my beloved

valid path
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I did see him, that's why I asked. Looking fire tho

lapis oak
dull heart
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new dog finally gets aura

valid path
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he looked a bit different that's why

dull heart
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for a multitude of reasons, this being one of them

valid path
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^

dull heart
valid path
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really? I thought he looked less purple

lapis oak
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literally looks the same, it's just the lighting

dull heart
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it's just dark

valid crypt
lyric trellis
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DoG becomes cool for once, it’s peak

dull heart
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the new fight is pretty cool

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me, xyk, and fry cooked

dusk bronze
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it actually looks like a battle for the fate of terraria now
this shit's beyond peak

azure oak
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finally you're fighting an interdimensional god devouring serpent instead of purple destroyer

lapis oak
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wait the minute

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back to the small sneak peek Doze posted

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this phase 2 DoG right here only glows purple gems

valid path
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Now he looks different

azure oak
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maybe a set of gems glows to indicate the debuff

atomic bay
# lapis oak

yeah isnt this outdated since dog is getting a new sprite?

vivid hemlock
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not yet

lapis oak
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wires

atomic bay
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prob the same concept will be used anyways

lapis oak
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that's... not coming in 10 years

iron dew
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the resprite is still far away

vivid hemlock
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the new sprite is for the final rework

valid crypt
iron dew
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this rework is just temporary because dog was decidedly the worst fight in the mod and it needed an improvement

valid crypt
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This is just stuff to make dog tolerable till then afaik

atomic bay
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final rework? good one, like it wont get another 🧌

mystic eagle
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Screen effects

valid crypt
atomic bay
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ik

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the troll at the end of my message

lapis oak
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new phase 1 DoG you can see blue gems glow very clearly

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the purple/blue shaders are gone

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-2 glorp shaders real?

vivid hemlock
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no the glorp shaders actually went to you

lapis oak
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😭 ???

valid crypt
azure oak
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monoliths are also gonna let you do this instead of just glorp shaders

valid crypt
iron dew
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finally......... a reason to use calamity monoliths....

lapis oak
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they need to update the Monolith of the Accursed still

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it's kinda... smelly

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I want those embers outside of Scal fight

dull heart
lapis oak
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I haven't fought DoG for a while I forgot 😭

dull heart
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nah normally they both glow

lapis oak
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ye I know

dull heart
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ahh

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ok

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but yes

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in phase 2, the glowing gems correspond to the attack cycle

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so does the background

lapis oak
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phase 1 DoG only has blue gems

dull heart
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yup, that's just due to the sprite

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only the head and tail have pink bits so i left it all glowing

lapis oak
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oh, I thought phase 1 won't have Extreme Gravity

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aight then

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anyways the new visual for the debuffs are very nice, now I don't have to look at my buff slot anymore

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ultimatesmug 👍

dull heart
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I mean

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The background was there the whole time unless you're in death

mystic eagle
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We got DoG rework 2!?

lapis oak
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I always play in Death 😔

dull heart
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death background being not colored is dead

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the death changes are much cooler now

lapis oak
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very excited to see what's coming!

arctic cliff
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Thank god the devs are fixing the boss backgrounds

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becaue my god they've been HORRIBLE

vivid hemlock
dull heart
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Evil color shader

azure oak
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the solid color being overlaid in question:

lapis oak
pulsar cobalt
arctic cliff
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having the same moon lord pitch black background but with none of the other moon lord screen effects, only a simple color shader, for multiple bosses is too much

lapis oak
pulsar cobalt
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woah!

lapis oak
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🤬

pulsar cobalt
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any moderators in chat?!

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we got unprompted aggressiveness!!!

valid crypt
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Its against you its prompted

pulsar cobalt
valid crypt
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I aint one

vivid hemlock
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the path youve entered is a treacherous road

pulsar cobalt
valid crypt
dull heart
pulsar cobalt
pulsar cobalt
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i dont do nothing to deserve it

valid crypt
pulsar cobalt
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im pure n innocent :3

pulsar cobalt
valid crypt
fringe quiver
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meow

dull heart
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yes it does

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My name is orange therefore I'm right

valid crypt
dry whale
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orange is a MID color

dull heart
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Ok boomer

dry whale
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white is better

arctic cliff
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orange makes you the man
and i can stick it to the man

dull heart
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ok

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I can stick it to the playerbase and not make ravager interesting

buoyant pulsar
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please doze, revert all the swords back to usestyle1

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crush their dreams

arctic cliff
arctic cliff
dull heart
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no

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What is the use style for old shortsword

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I will do that

iron dew
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does that even exist anymore

dull heart
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Maybe the drinking potion use style

dull heart
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There's no way they deleted it

iron dew
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can you make all swords use the lawnmower usestyle

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it would be very awesome

lapis oak
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use style 13

pulsar cobalt
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guys i think somethings wrong with my seashine sword i dont think it should be impaling me

iron dew
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looks like regular seashine sword behavior to me

dull heart
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i would actually appreciate letting me know what multiplayer bugs you see

pulsar cobalt
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im not sure if the uhh

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eoc drop is meant to have more kb or not tho

dull heart
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the knockback is canceled by Temporal Sadness on most enemies

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but on bosses it isn't

pulsar cobalt
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oh

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oh

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i was using it on eoc and half the time nothing was happening

dull heart
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hmm

pulsar cobalt
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actually i can prob just check rn how it looks in singleplayer

dull heart
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L no embed

valid crypt
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L

dull heart
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scam be gone

valid crypt
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Thanks mods

thick coyote
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oh shit

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a screencap of that clip was posted here, didnt expect that

pulsar cobalt
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like

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it actually looks like knockback

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the next time im in a mp session ill show u how it looks ok?

lapis oak
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there's no next time

vivid hemlock
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for you

lapis oak
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😢

dull heart
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I think I know what to do to fix animation I just

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Have to do it

buoyant orbit
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We're fucking winning

valid crypt
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Yeah

halcyon seal
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ah shit i dropped my phone

fathom girder
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hoh lee shiet

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DoG now canonically throws a rock at the screen

latent portal
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dang

fathom girder
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y'know

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you don't have to ping people just to say what

urban cloak
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(it's fine i dont mind)

buoyant orbit
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Current DoG getting new visuals despite a rework on the way wasn't in my bingo list

fathom girder
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Current DoG is getting a temp rework on top of the visuals

fringe quiver
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when the boss is so ass you give him a bandaid rework just so he's Tolerable until the actual rework comes

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🥀

fathom girder
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Tbf

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all the bosses are probably getting reworked in some fashion now that fab is gone

valid crypt
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Or atleast

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Good for cal standards idk

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Visually gonna be epic

fathom girder
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Good for modern standards

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would be a better way to phrase it

cobalt wharf
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it was said it would only be the best fight possible with its current design

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which means it won’t be amazing

ocean jetty
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where big sprite .......... sigh...........

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This was NOT Calamitous .

fathom girder
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iirc the big sprite's still a wip

fringe quiver
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it got finished today

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my dad works at calamity he told me

fathom girder
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all speculation here

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but fixing up the sprite is a tall fucken order

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because it was initially made to try and replicate the DoG fanart that was made for that one dmdokuro song cover

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trying to make it work and make sense is probably hard af

dusk bronze
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i mean
they did make it work

lavish otter
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Personally, I think that might not've been the greatest idea to begin with
I mean, I generally like that design even if I feel like there could be more to it, but personally, I think limiting it to being in the realm of that old cover art just feels...well, limiting

late eagle
fringe quiver
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ill be honesti dont think fabsol has anything to do with that

dusk bronze
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he didn't

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heart just started working on it by herself iirc

late eagle
fringe quiver
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at this point i think drastically changing DoG's design would probably be a bad pr move or something even if i personally dont really see the appeal of it too much

lavish otter
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But yeah, it's a pretty good design itself either way

fringe quiver
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ive stopped caring

dull heart
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i think part of the design concerns is that he's on the album cover

lavish otter
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I see it as a reason, but I feel like it shouldn't be a main reason

dusk bronze
dull heart
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dog is on the album cover for the music

dusk bronze
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okay why is that a design "concern"

i do not understand

fathom girder
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Because everyone knows what he looks like through that cover art

fringe quiver
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Because it is generally a bad pr move for the thing that is on the album cover to be nowhere in the game

gloomy grove
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theyd have to hit a men in black move

fathom girder
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It's good because the cover art isn't bad

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it's bad because it kinda restricts creative liberties to a degree

vivid hemlock
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phase 1 couldve been better if it wasnt designed around the 2nd phase

fathom girder
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I assume a good portion of his sprite tweaks are focused on improving the p1 sprite

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Idk if people still dislike the p2 sprite

vivid hemlock
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it depends on the person

lyric trellis
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I feel like people have seen the P2 sprite being based off the album cover and now think that basing it off the album cover is inherently a bad idea, even though the album cover is literally just the face and leaves other parts open to interpretation (particularly the parts that many people may not be a fan of like the body, big mandibles, and it being metal)

molten grove
fringe quiver
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I am indifferent towards the DoG design for the most part

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I feel the same way towards it as i feel towards the current design

buoyant orbit
fringe quiver
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Which is to say it's pretty iconic and not really a outright bad design or anything but it also dosen't really do anything particularly interesting

late eagle
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Dog's tailSAD

vivid hemlock
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i dont think dog keeping the galaxy tail would be enough to redeem it

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its inconsequential really

late eagle
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It was cool

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For me at least

lyric trellis
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Well you’re gonna have it for a few more years in-game anyway so it’ll be fine

late eagle
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I won't die for this probably

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It's just a lil sad

buoyant orbit
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it's difficult to stand out when you're a worm boss
or when you're DoG and people expect a lot from you SAD

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i like the big sprite but i would've loved the old eel like art

late eagle
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Rather than design, I think it's more important to find a way to make his dialogue more noticeable.

vivid hemlock
late eagle
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Because I hardly look at the corner of the screen to see the dialogue

buoyant orbit
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tbf it's difficult to make everyone happy so it's all to what the devs collectively think it's better lmfao

lyric trellis
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DoG voice where it actually yells at you

late eagle
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I'm not saying to have voices of course, I think we've already said that it doesn't make much sense for Terraria, but something like putting little messages from him appearing in the middle of the screen would be nice.

rich ginkgo
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im pretty sure heart is still displeased with it though

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id like to see the design be spiced up too

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it is really fucking high quality and looks amazing but at the end of the day it is just the same purple worm in HD

vivid hemlock
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i havent seen heart say anything about it, only opinions from the other artists

late eagle
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I can't think of a good example but something like that is pretty visible

rich ginkgo
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i think heart made a comment on it or another dev quoted heart

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or im just stupid

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but i know some of the artists are displeased with dog specifically because it’s design is just bland

earnest comet
dusk bronze
lapis oak
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Doze

dusk bronze
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man i can never keep track of which devs say what

dull heart
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I had a pretty cool idea for how to do it

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likely will extend to other dialogue too

silk terrace
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still a little hard to read but that's mostly because you're avoiding the worm trying to eat you at mach speed

dusk bronze
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clearly the solution is to add voice acti-💥 💥 💥

gloomy grove
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the text should cover up your entire screen 🗣️ 🔥

fathom girder
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it should make the text box obnoxiously large and make it wobble

dull heart
lapis oak
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make text follows you just like the HUD ultimatesmug

fathom girder
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Genuinely got no idea what exactly you guys are gonna do for the boss chats

arctic cliff
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i personally think the dog design is too basic, and genuinely needs to be replaced

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Iban decided to do something very different, and people liked that

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why shouldnt we?

dusk bronze
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L

arctic cliff
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is real

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also theres some design choices that i think severely detract from the sprite

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oh

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how about one

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the mandible shape is wonky as hell

dusk bronze
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we're talking about heart's sprite right?

arctic cliff
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ya

dusk bronze
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the fuck

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how are the mandibles bad

arctic cliff
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p2 specifically p1 isnt that bad

dusk bronze
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p1 is worse????

arctic cliff
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i mean, i can see why its subjective between either phase

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anyhow

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we've had this exact convo for long enoug

trail oriole
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has beccome objectively boring

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these are all of the worm type enemies,

dusk bronze
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if we had to de-mandible every worm but one, dog should be the one to keep them

trail oriole
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the most interesting and standout ish one, is the vanilla wyvern

trail oriole
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and theyre associated with destroyer and eater of worlds

dusk bronze
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it invokes the feeling of devouring large things

hence why eow has them

lavish otter
# trail oriole

With all of these in mind, I'm in love with how the wyvern is technically one that counts

trail oriole
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like, in no justifable way, does the destroyer need the mandibles, cause theyre also not contributing to the flow and shape design at all

lavish otter
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Like, the only non-mandibled non-worm of the group, it's so out of place and I love it for that

dusk bronze
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yeah destroyer should be a drill worm

fathom girder
trail oriole
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mandibles are never for eating lole theyre for pinning down prey

dusk bronze
trail oriole
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see: many beetles,

urban cloak
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(there is no desert scourge spoiler in the image)

fathom girder
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This looks like scoog

trail oriole
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thats current

arctic cliff
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the current scoog

dusk bronze
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lol

obtuse hawk
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those who scoog

lavish otter
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Oh wait, really? It looks so weird scrunched down like that

arctic cliff
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the one designed by... a prior he-who-shall-not-be-named

dusk bronze
trail oriole
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thats cause its huge

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not cause it has mandibles lole

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it would be the same if i gave it a gigantic mouth like

dusk bronze
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it's both imo

trail oriole
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does that suddenly work

arctic cliff
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i also gotta mention proportions too

trail oriole
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well hey my big mouth guy can eat gods so it works!

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yeah no theress multiple factors lole

fathom girder
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Bigmouth is actually hiding some crazy powerscaling

arctic cliff
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i feel like while they are LITERALLY enormous, they're proportionately... I think it's smaller, but I haven't actually compared it properly to other worm mandibles

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I also think that DoG has nothing forcing him to be another worm with mandibles

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and that if anything, he oughta be looking different

lavish otter
trail oriole
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not that interesting of a shape
its overused
theyre not really contributing to the design, moreso a design choice thats been passed down the generations of resprites or other worms

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if you can somehow come up with an arguement FOR the mandibles then like

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be my guest

obtuse hawk
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the innate mandible worm terraria pipeline

tropic jolt
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add more worm bosses please!

fathom girder
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Oh boy time to bullshit a reason

tropic jolt
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yharim worm noxus worm xeroc worm

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zeratros worm

dusk bronze
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i'm not great at explaining my thoughts but i do think mandibles work thematically for dog

trail oriole
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well

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cant do anything about that lol

arctic cliff
fathom girder
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DoG could have mandibles due to needing to pin down and incapacitate large targets before consuming them, and his armor allows him to use his speed to turn into a spear of sorts to handle dangerous threats

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How's about that

dusk bronze
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i agree with both of those

arctic cliff
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and that therefore removing it would be a reduction in that factor

tropic jolt
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dog's mandibles are a reminder of its destroyer clone origin

trail oriole
hard copper
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Dog is from the distortion, I dont think he should have the generic worm look, something more otherworldly would be better imo

fathom girder
obtuse hawk
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if i designed dog i'd probably make the mandibles themselves into a sorta mask-holder thingamajig that has this black hole distortion sphere and thats how he consumes essence or whatever the lore is now but that opens up a whole nother world of design issues

dusk bronze
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i generally don't care about tradition and keeping things how they are but like

dog is the most iconic terraria character outside vanilla

arctic cliff
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I think dog at the very least HAS TO STAY a worm boss, it’s too engrained into him

urban cloak
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something being iconic shouldn't be that big of a determining factor if you can come up with a more creative design though

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iban's design is a good example as tobias said

tropic jolt
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what kind of mouth should dog have?

trail oriole
arctic cliff
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mandibles aren’t nearly as iconic as the fact that dog is a worm

strong isle
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I do remember a big point for keeping the face generally the same was to stay faithful to the album art
Which I think is a reasonable request, though I personally would have preferred a brand new design

dusk bronze
dull heart
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make dog mandibles into the black things around the portal gun from portal

trail oriole
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iconic doesnt mean good and as long as the new sprite has a recognizable shape

dull heart
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And have him actually shoot portals

dusk bronze
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🔥

strong isle
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Quite honestly, it was a silly decision to pick the most resprited boss in Calamity to be an album cover

urban cloak
dusk bronze
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probably

arctic cliff
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throudon has this baller design for dog

trail oriole
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kind offff boring;

fathom girder
dusk bronze
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i'm just really really attached to the face shape of heart's sprite

tropic jolt
fathom girder
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My eyes aren't a multitool

strong isle
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While I think it is interesting, I wouldn't advocate for it being official

trail oriole
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space worm but doesnt really speak to dog's character in a good way

strong isle
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Yeah

dusk bronze
trail oriole
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its super cool though i would def take inspo personally

strong isle
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It doesn't really convey anything other than its cosmic grandeur

tropic jolt
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cosmic horror worm

trail oriole
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but wait IT DOESNT HAVE A MOUTH, HOW COULD IT EAT GODS?? GGRRRRR RAAHAHAHHHH!!!

strong isle
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Yep

trail oriole
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KILL THROUDEN KILLL THEMMM NOWWW

trail oriole
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FUCKKK

fathom girder
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IT CAN'T CONSUME

obtuse hawk
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insanities

trail oriole
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no its not shown therefore its clearly not there

obtuse hawk
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!!!!

dusk bronze
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you've heard of the 2 day provi design discussion now get ready for the 5 day dog design discussion

fathom girder
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New design for DoG should be a massive ass realistic human mouth for the head and nothing elss

dusk bronze
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true

still bluff
vivid hemlock
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bast statue worm boss

dull heart
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This should be the dog resprite

arctic cliff
tropic jolt
urban cloak
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if you say worm boss three times in the mirror fluffy appears

vivid hemlock
arctic cliff
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older variant but there’s like tiny teeth there

tropic jolt
fathom girder
tropic jolt
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dull heart
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I think this was how dog looked when I first fought him

obtuse hawk
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same here

fathom girder
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I fought the og destroyer reskin

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It was so dumb lol

dusk bronze
arctic cliff
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im gonna be honest tho

fathom girder
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It was quite literally a destroyer reskin at the time

arctic cliff
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the best dog design was his original p2

fathom girder
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Fought like destroyer basically too

dusk bronze
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embed fail

fathom girder
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It was silly

dull heart
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Wait this was the original Mechworm

arctic cliff
dusk bronze
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also no that design sucks
it doesn't even have eyes

dull heart
fathom girder
hard copper
arctic cliff
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Exactly

dull heart
dusk bronze
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it looks like a paper mario enemy

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the first one

obtuse hawk
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devourer of gods but he is so retro

tropic jolt
arctic cliff
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NONE of the dog designs since have had that same angularity

dull heart
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This DoG sprite is SO different from everything else

fathom girder
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Did that sprite go public?

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I don't remember that one

dull heart
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Mechworm to accompany

dusk bronze
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what about the one that was randomly super dark gray

dull heart
fathom girder
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Huh

arctic cliff
fathom girder
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It looks like a tremor boss

dusk bronze
arctic cliff
dull heart
fathom girder
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Omg lmao

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This one is misery

obtuse hawk
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this one looks edible

arctic cliff
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how are there still more

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wtf

dusk bronze
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eleven.

arctic cliff
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Oh right

dusk bronze
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eleven devourer of gods resprites.

dull heart
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This is the one of all time

fathom girder
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He's so stubby

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Why did they make him stubby

dusk bronze
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they cut his fucking face off 💔

dull heart
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finally he looks close to now

fathom girder
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That one i remember

dull heart
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anyway

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storm weaver has the best mandibles of any cal worm by a long shot

fathom girder
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Not biased at all...

dull heart
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heck he's the only one where the mandibles don't just feel like body but longer

dusk bronze
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real talk why are current p1 dog's mandibles shaped like antlers

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it's so weird

dull heart
fathom girder
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Beetle mandibles

dull heart
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by far the best mandibles by no contest

slate folio
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Famous lightning shape

fathom girder
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They look more like a moustache

dull heart
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?

dusk bronze
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clearly the worm with the best mandibles is astrum deus clueless

shell sapphire
fathom girder
dusk bronze
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no

arctic cliff
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they need to keep that mandible for his redesign

lyric trellis
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This guy

dull heart
dusk bronze
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idk what invoked stargod is and i'm too afraid to ask

dull heart
fathom girder
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Invoked stargod needs to be made official

dull heart
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ok

arctic cliff
dull heart
# dull heart

I still want to know how they managed so many segments

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genuinely

fathom girder
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Is segments not a number you just add

dull heart
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there's an NPC limit

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Of 400

fathom girder
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...oh

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Maybe that's 400

dull heart
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DoG rn is 100 for context

flat folio
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The limit is technically 200 (which this beyond a shadow of a doubt exceeds)

dull heart
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oh

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200 is even worse

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I actually

flat folio
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Prolly a couple thousand segments on that worm

dull heart
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I could make that work

fathom girder
#

Maaaybe this uses a mod that breaks that cap

dull heart
#

I think it would be laggy though

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Especially collision checks

silk terrace
#

hiya lucille

#

yeah and the segments do have collision, it procced a dodge

dull heart
#

yes

#

I should reach out to the creator of the sprite and see if they have the original files

flat folio
#

The sick and twisted i = 0; i < 200; i++ NPC for loops...
I think Cal purged most if not all of those but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if mods with less knowledgeable devs, or simply mods with a ton of antiquated code, still had a bunch of those

dull heart
#

probably

silk terrace
#

still need to make a rogue weapon that on hit, spawns a projectile that splits into two projectiles that on hit splits into two more projectiles

fathom girder
#

Why do you wanna make elemental lance 2

dull heart
#

I have sent them a dm

silk terrace
#

funny

dull heart
#

hopefully they respond

#

If they do I very well may make this real in modern Tmod

fathom girder
#

It would be funny ig

fathom girder
#

Invoked stargod superboss that replaces astrum deus

dull heart
fathom girder
#

:(

silk terrace
#

good call

dull heart
#

not replace deus that's lame

fathom girder
#

Alright I guess

#

It would be so funny though

dull heart
#

Wrath of the Stargod

fathom girder
#

You think astrum deus is spawning in and then this thing cranks the fps to 2

dull heart
#

Genuinely I have no idea how on earth to make this work in a fight

fathom girder
#

Demon train fight but in terraria maybe

dull heart
#

Give it destroyer ai

fathom girder
#

There's easily enough segments to make it go from the top of the world to the bottom to form a wall

dull heart
fathom girder
#

At which point it shoots lasers

dull heart
#

It just spawned this

fathom girder
#

Lmaooo

#

It would fit tbh

#

"You have angered the primordial wrath of the stars"

dull heart
#

this thing shows up and eats DoG right when you're about to kill it

#

Infernum provi style

#

eats nameless too

fathom girder
#

Eats it like the hotdog swallower

flat folio
dull heart
#

and then I make the fight end by it getting eaten by AoE

fathom girder
#

The only way to kill it is by shoving avatar of emptiness in there and watching it crumple like a soda can

dull heart
#

like a love triangle for powerscalers

silk terrace
#

halfway throught the fight yharim is going to turn to the screen and say "terrarian... you must know... i am multiversal+.... i beat goku..."

flat folio
#

And then a green slime falls from the sky to ends his suffering

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And calamity lived happily ever after

silk terrace
#

yippee

fathom girder
#

That's how goozma was birthed

#

A green slime absorbed yharim

granite smelt
#

you're telling me this green slime fried this yharim

boreal edge
#

Explodes

strong isle
#

Now every time I see or hear the words "love triangle" I think back to the Bill Cipher image

#

Muscular, long-haired Bill haunts my nightmares

dull heart
#

Lol

thick coyote
#

💥

dull heart
#

no

buoyant orbit
# dull heart

This Sprite was funny
The first time I saw it I thought it looked like straight out of a Contra game

thick coyote
#

Mine was better anyways: Wrath of the Stars

#

Rare doze L

dusk bronze
#

star of the god

dull heart
thick coyote
#

I was joking anyways

main pivot
#

waiting sinse 1843

still bluff
fringe quiver
#

hi spoiler chat what is happening

#

did a dog design convo happened? i think a dog design convo happenmed

dusk bronze
#

crickets

dusk bronze
#

oh yeah that

#

thankfully much shorter than the provi design discussion

lean relic
#

hello??????

buoyant pulsar
#

that's like way cooler

torn kite
#

Sunken Sea Overhaul part 1 tomorrow?

lapis oak
#

today!

buoyant pulsar
#

it's like cyclops ares all over again

slate folio
torn kite
buoyant pulsar
buoyant pulsar
#

like it pierces then splits, and those two home in and split again etc

modern grove
# trail oriole space worm but doesnt really speak to dog's character in a good way

Yeah it's a bit bland I agree

I was trying to invoke this like flowery imagery, bc I imagine dog as a weaver of reality as well as a consumer of it. He weaves and spreads it like flowers if that makes sense? But the design is not the most successful with it

Also yeah I wasn't really working with what dog is in cal, tbh I don't really like anything about it (not lore not design nor his character)...

Main reason I finished it is because I wanted to draw something but can't draw anything new due to artblock

#

Ibans dog is still the best dog, it has a very solid snake design from another world

dusk bronze
#

for dog specifically

modern grove
#

The horns are good because they're a clever way of incorporating the mandible shape while not being literal mandibles, and they give him grandiose and regal feeling

dusk bronze
#

he's not grandiose or regal
he's a little bitch baby

modern grove
#

Well

#

Obviously Ibans dog was different

dusk bronze
#

the design language does not translate to his personality imo

modern grove
#

With different personality and goals

#

Being fr I hate dog being a bitch baby egomaniac

dusk bronze
#

also mandibles work the best for dog because his entire thing is eating

arctic cliff
#

i personally think that the egomaniac part should stick, but imo its going quite too far in some aspects

#

i know i severely disagree with a dev's opinion on how that should be a surprise (provided as PART OF the explanation on why they didnt want dog to eat provi)

modern grove
#

Sure

#

But I think it's not very creative

arctic cliff
#

Imo I think for a design of Devourer of Gods, it ought to emphasize the part where he devours

modern grove
#

He can eat gods but it doesn't have to be his one and main thing

dusk bronze
#

it should be

modern grove
#

Devourer of gods can be a metaphorical title

arctic cliff
#

I think it's a cool thing to focus on

#

but we're ultimately quite different in that respect design wise?

dusk bronze
#

he was hired by yharim specifically to devour gods

#

ignore that

arctic cliff
#

i think its also important to factor in lore for these designs

slate folio
#

Offtopic question

#

How likely do you think xeroc would've had empress of light ai if they were coded by fabsol

arctic cliff
#

nil

dusk bronze
#

unfortunately i cannot answer

slate folio
#

I'm also in the patreon server and I don't remember anything from there

arctic cliff
#

im gonna give credit to fab if he had actually gone all the way to xeroc he'd probably actually learn something

shadow pulsar
#

Wait im not really too catched up on calamity lore did DoG actually devour any gods to get his name or is it just title for him ?

slate folio
#

Has he learned anything from the last >9 years or so

dusk bronze
#

he did

terse dew
#

No need to make progress on the mod if its continued development paid the bills

shadow pulsar
#

oh sorry bout that

modern grove
#

You don't have to take titles literally and change the lore if it's lackluster

#

Some battles are not worth fighting

dusk bronze
#

???????

#

what are you on

arctic cliff
#

devourer of god's thing has always been that he eats really powerful things, often gods

#

even in the old lore, when "god" wasn't a specified term for something specific, he'd still regularly target what would be sometimes called gods

#

he was going after providence and had targeted Astrum Deus, both of whom were referred to as gods

#

new lore specifies what a god is, and Devourer of Gods had went after gods

dusk bronze
#

thank you for just reciting the lore

dusty tinsel
#

Old lore he was the nibbler of a single god

arctic cliff
#

true

terse dew
#

were the DoT's ever canon

tropic ermine
#

I like that iban's dog feels much more like a cunning manipulative slippery snake

cobalt wharf
#

dog is a dingus. he dingle hingle gingle gongle a single songle

dusty tinsel
#

Axolotl dog

#

Not eldritch enough though

tropic ermine
lean relic
dusk bronze
#

peak???

slate folio
#

He learned from goozma

#

the power of gaslighting

tropic ermine
#

it's a bit reductive but yknow that's the main thing they are

dusty tinsel
#

Well yah I guess, but there are other ways to do eldritch lol

#

Majority of the eldrazi from MTG don't have tentacles and they sure look eldritch

tropic ermine
#

I don't think either DoG will be going hard into the eldritch department regardless? to my knowledge

lapis oak
#

if Distortion has typical mainstream Eldritch theme Calamity Mod gonna become Sea Mod 😢

#

so many fucking aquatic

#

so I hope not

dusty tinsel
#

I am turning you into an eldritch abomination

lapis oak
#

😭

dusty tinsel
#

Mind you they ain't worm shapped

tropic ermine
#

a 3rd take of an eldritch distortion w everything involved w that would be interesting I suppose

#

(I say that knowing full well there's barely anything distortion-related made besides DoGs)

dusty tinsel
#

Changelog 681 - added KiriWhite as an eldritch abomination miniboss during the blood moon

lapis oak
#

such hostile changelog...

tropic ermine
#

can I summon using a suspicious looking kiri

dusty tinsel
#

Yes

#

It drops the kiri staff

#

Which summons a kiri to fight for you

tropic ermine
#

peam modded content

dusty tinsel
#

Actually I lied basically every eldrazi has little tentacle like things

#

But still they have more than that

tropic ermine
silk terrace
dusk bronze
left lagoon
proud wind
azure oak
#

i guess it'd be frustrating if DoG had an actual fakeout late into the fight

viral merlin
#

What else do you want
Nothing (space reference)

#

We can always have more worms too

azure oak
#

55 days until time between BH and SSO part 1 is longer than between R&D and draedon update

spark kiln
#

this just looks kind of cute, if anything

hushed hazel
#

he looks more like a creature that is capable of sentient thought

#

current/upcoming DoG is more beast-like

tired crag
#

Can someone explain the difficulty mode changes

hushed hazel
#

rev will only be available in expert mode and death will only be available in master mode

#

all the ai changes in the vanilla difficulties will be reverted

#

i think that's it

polar fog
#

🔥

tired crag
#

That doesn't mean expert and master are just higher stats then right?

hushed hazel
#

expert and master will be exactly what they are in vanilla

polar fog
tired crag
#

Oh it means calamity added changes

hushed hazel
#

yeag

inner thunder
#

so rev off master

#

and rev off expert

#

or what

hushed hazel
#

it means expert will range from negligible changes to a few actually noticable changes and master will be stat bloat

#

just like the founding fathers intended

tired crag
#

For a second I thought they were returning expert mode into a lesser old master mode

inner thunder
#

even with rev on?

polar fog
#

master returns to stat bloat thank hod

inner thunder
#

no

hushed hazel
inner thunder
#

master sprime will be missed

hushed hazel
#

if you're playing master you can enable death

#

simple

polar fog
#

you know what
you right

#

favorite boss in the mod

tired crag
#

So wait are the death master changes being removed or relocated to death mode

polar fog
#

best boss in the mod too no competition

tired crag
#

Dang

inner thunder
hushed hazel
#

no more oblivion prime

#

no more triplets

inner thunder
hushed hazel
#

no more whatever the hell is going on with md golem at the moment

tired crag
#

Eh some addon will probably put them back

inner thunder
#

calamity will lose a lot of difficulty then

hushed hazel
#

things rarely stay dead forever in this community

tired crag
#

They better not touch gfb

hushed hazel
hushed hazel
tired crag
hushed hazel
#

it always was the meme mode

stuck kite
#

gfb is awesome no bias

#

actually theres more memes in gfb

hushed hazel
#

i don't even think fab had too much to do with it i think most of the changes there were yuh

stuck kite
#

theres more with every update

tired crag
#

Must have been a breath of fresh air

stuck kite
#

like uncapped speed momentum capacitor

stuck kite
#

i made some monstrosities like

gritty torrent
#

Judging by the sprite it's still for the "old" devourer, right?

stuck kite
#

perforators having laser walls

gritty torrent
#

What could it even be

tired crag
#

Who is responsible for filling my inventory mid EoW fight

stuck kite
#

or dog spawning 35 teleportals

hushed hazel
#

fat fuck DoG won't be here for a while, this rework is just to make him a more tolerable fight in the meantime

stuck kite
#

yuh made all of exo mechdusa and supreme [ultramage]

gritty torrent
#

Screen shattering effect kinda looks like that one attack from wrath of the gods

stuck kite
#

i think

gritty torrent
#

Just fill your inventory with sand before the fight clueless

tropic ermine
hushed hazel
#

does it

spark kiln
#

yes i don’t want to have to play master mode to play death

#

if there are no actual changes then it sucks

hushed hazel
#

changes to what

#

death?

spark kiln
#

yes

hushed hazel
#

i'd imagine there will be

spark kiln
#

the change just makes death harder in like the worst way

rose radish
spark kiln
#

if master and expert death / rev are the exact same except for stats then there’s nothing to maintain

#

just balance expert and master will play out as it always does

#

it’s literally just more damage and health

#

there isn’t much to maintain

hushed hazel
#

i doubt they'd keep death at all if they didn't intend to make any changes to it

stuck kite
#

i mean

#

its the objective highest difficulty

#

the current mapping of difficulty is that

hazy pine
#

I'm spoiling it

stuck kite
#

classic... is classic, the "easy" mode
expert is the "medium" mode and includes stat changes as well as surface level AI changes (vanilla's changes + whatever expert changes calamity bosses have)
from there it branches into 2 paths

  • rev remains the "calamity difficulty" of the mod where it includes a bulk of calamity changes and mechanics; you get most of the content this way
  • master (vanilla) where you just get stats buffs
    death combines the revengeance changes with the stat buffs of master, with its own, smaller changes on top of it (thereby combining both elements of the game's hard mode + a bit sprinkled on top)
#

and yes this means stat coalesces

#

there will be 3 boss damage values (classic, expert, master) instead of 5

azure oak
#

damn, difficulty from ai changes rather than bloating stats even further

#

good

inland pulsar
cunning sequoia
#

"""better"""

inland pulsar
#

Worse*

azure oak
#

master wont even have ai changes when the devs de-fabsolize a bit more

granite smelt
azure oak
#

exo mechs rework in *** *** minutes

tropic ermine
#

difficulties that are actually distinct and matter instead of "go my 18 permutations"

#

with minimal differences

#

altho ideally I'd prefer if cal stopped being only balanced to itself in rev tbh

inland pulsar
#

Yall can buff true melee ManaRose

tropic ermine
#

why wouldn't you guys make expert the new "rev" and master the new "death" for maximum debloating

tropic ermine
#

it's already going in that direction last I heard? with rev being expert exclusive and death as master exclusive
why not just combine the two "paths of difficulty", consolidate to 3 for ease of balance/a little crossmod balance

inland pulsar
tropic ermine
#

is it not slated to be or have plans changed

still osprey
#

Because 2 new difficulties trigger funny chemicals in people’s brains. And people would throw a massive fit if modes were removed even if their changes were ported to expert and master

valid crypt
tropic ermine
inland pulsar
#

Bro just nerf hive mind ManaRose

#

🥀

tropic ermine
valid crypt
still osprey
azure oak
tropic ermine
azure oak
#

everything from vanilla and calamity would be on calamity's more difficult expert

#

while other mod content would be on vanilla expert

hushed hazel
azure oak
#

so all of the vanilla and calamity content would be relatively more difficult than everything else

hushed hazel
#

that's the whole reason they're removing all of cal's changes to vanilla expert ai, after all

tropic ermine
hushed hazel
#

it taking ruinous amounts of work probably

tropic ermine
#

fair enough

azure oak
#

byeah i think it's for the best to leave the vanilla difficulties alone and instead have revengeance & death as sorta "optional modifiers"

stuck kite
#

its never gonna happen but if there's any consolation

still bluff
#

legendary death is the stupid mode

stuck kite
#

because rev boss damage is removed, calamity defensive equipment is properly balanced towards the sane expert difficulty numbers

still bluff
#

(and we intend to nerf stuff so defence damage isn't the only thing holding it vaguely together)

still bluff
#

tbf vanilla's defensive stuff on its own is also only held together by defense damage, it's stupid as hell so yk we'll see how that actually goes

tropic ermine
#

I'm gonna be honest I'm not the biggest fan of defense damage either and whether it actually fulfills its stated goal
but I'm not actually good at the game/balancing whatsoever so not my place to talk abt it

still bluff
#

it does do what it's meant to do atm, though the result of the defensive powercreep over the years means it still has a pretty hefty impact on balanced builds

#

best outcome would be to scale it down a ton so it reaslistically only has a significant impact on actual facetanking

tropic ermine
#

I'm down for that yeah

mystic eagle
#

I like defense damage as is

#

If you're slightly good at dodging, the consequences of getting hit are pretty minimal

still bluff
#

defensive accs, boss damage values, and consequently defense damage have all scaled up far far higher than they need to be

tropic ermine
#

please for the love of god work out 🙏

still bluff
#

considering vanilla already makes facetanking very possible before you account for any cal items i doubt we'll be able to remove it HDfailure

#

would be nice though

mystic eagle
#

Just buff boss damage by insane amounts clueless

iron dew
#

😭

valid crypt
#

Is the DoG fight less laggy then it is currently despite the better visuals

valid crypt
#

Peak

mystic eagle
#

I heard Doze(?) say that alot of the lag came from checking if DoG is at 1 hp or not, which if it were to be at 1, it would destroy all currently active lasers

granite smelt
#

Done, when will you become UnDone

azure oak
#

38 more bars to calamity

hexed basalt
granite smelt
hexed basalt
#

sound good

fringe quiver
hardy gulch
#

What

modern grove
#

Permanent bars

#

Once they get into your inventory you can't get rid of them

cunning sequoia
#

return of frigid bars

hardy gulch
#

Whyyyy

azure oak
#

yeah sorry frigid bars are returning and htere will be 37 bonus variations of it

stark pond
#

is it me or moderator gradient is super super subtle

hushed hazel
#

that's because it's not a gradient at all

fringe quiver
#

no like he'll drop some bars

#

he's gonna say some mean shit next update

#

he'll be spitting fire one could say

#

quite ironic for a ice mage

hexed basalt
#

can't wait

#

good thing there's no cirrus to say something like for an ice mage he's kinda hot

hushed hazel
#

what's a cirrus

#

never heard of that one

iron dew
#

its a type of cloud, i believe?

hushed hazel
#

ah okay!

#

😁

fringe quiver
#

kanye when he sees the archmage pull up..

hexed basalt
tropic ermine
azure oak
buoyant pulsar
#

yknow

#

wouldn't it

#

make more sense for dog's first phase to be armored and second phase to be unarmored

#

storm weaver style

#

trading defense for speed and lethality as a desperation move

analog helm
#

maybe dog didn't view the terrarian as a good enough threat at first and later realised that it probably needs it's armour for this one

valid crypt
#

Dog is egotistical as fuck i dint think the guy would see wearing armour necessary until later in the fight

buoyant pulsar
#

i feel like its armor probably does more harm than good in terms of raw performance though

cunning sequoia
#

it helps not dying

buoyant pulsar
#

like it gives him a ton of defense but it makes him slower and less agile

cunning sequoia
#

which is generally what you'd want while actively dying

valid crypt
#

And people still wore plate armour when it was relevant, i dont see the issue

buoyant pulsar
#

idk i just feel like he would perform better when he's not encumbered and can just move in his own body like normal

cunning sequoia
#

tbf silver chariot goes from squishy to squishier

buoyant pulsar
#

:(

buoyant pulsar
valid crypt
cunning sequoia
#

DoG may be faster without armor but he's still a huge target

valid crypt
#

Ultimately someone with armour is gonna do better then someone butt naked

cunning sequoia
#

didn't you know NEO is known for its high defense...

buoyant pulsar
#

idk i thought the entire point of the armor was to stroke his ego, not the other way around

#

cause it's all ornate n shit

valid crypt
cunning sequoia
#

i think its more like to protect his ego

#

he's got a giant scar on his face

valid crypt
#

Yeah its ornamental but that wont stop it being functional

cunning sequoia
#

if he gets rid of the target quickly he wont need armor

#

if he doesn't and starts getting beat up, he's gonna get some extra help

#

idk i think it makes sense

#

also just, having him do the same thing as weaver would be kinda boring

buoyant pulsar
#

omw to devour some gods

cunning sequoia
#

especially since they're becoming more and more disconnected from each other

buoyant pulsar
#

i guess but i didn't mention it as a parallel, more so just cause it made sense

#

you're damaging the boss's armor to break it off

#

then you kill it once it's exposed

cunning sequoia
#

yeah but it would feel weird doing that to two bosses that are so close in progression

#

especially since both of them are worm bosses from the distortion

#

putting on armor because he feels threatened also works

#

it makes it clear that DoG is actually intelligent

#

and not just a wild animal like Weaver

#

who depends on its natural armor

valid crypt
#

And also dog trying to fight you without properly preparing like not getting armour is much more in character

#

Imo

buoyant pulsar
#

ok i can see that

buoyant pulsar
azure oak
#

new exo mech named "poseidon" based on giant clam will be added in SSO clueless

modern grove
#

The earth shaker

#

Also orios lied the mech will be based on the Horse

azure oak
#

only way to beat it is with the horse annihilator on sale for free

stoic tide
#

exo horse sounds kinda fire

mystic eagle
#

We don't need more exo/miracle matter stuff

#

We need Calamitous Horse instead

stoic tide
#

auric horse

azure oak
#

miracle horse.......

somber salmon
#

horse horse…………..

pseudo vector
#

hi guys
i've spent the last 2 days mixing drums
help me

azure oak
#

i wish you luck with you're mixing of drums for i cannot assist

fathom girder
#

?

somber salmon
#

buy a lawnmower

true oriole
lapis oak
#

That's evil

true oriole
#

Yes XD

pseudo vector
analog helm
tropic jolt
#

evil and intimidating drum solo

limber raven
wide nova
kind tinsel
#

the existence of cdmusic implies that of casettemusic

wide nova
#

blu-raymusic

pseudo vector
wide nova
#

bet

azure oak
#

calamity mod

upper cosmos
#

if it works for cookies it works for drums

somber salmon
#

what an endless escapade

lean relic
#

endless escapade mentioned
go sail to explore the islands

sonic sparrow
#

mod looks sick tho

lean relic
sonic sparrow
#

oh wow

#

it’s gonna explode the server hosts computer XD

#

Well

#

nah those little islands don’t look too big

buoyant pulsar
velvet flicker
#

whats the best mage wepaon preboss

pulsar cobalt
#

spoilerous

analog helm
#

spoilericious

azure oak
#

SSO will add miracle matterite ore that spawns if you eat exo prisms

dusk bronze
#

peak

analog helm
silk terrace
#

skittles

buoyant pulsar
buoyant pulsar
misty wren
fresh pike
lean relic
#

how spoilerous

fresh pike
#

when update?

misty wren
#

never

analog helm
valid crypt
lapis oak
#

Tringle posting

analog helm
#

mm geometry