calamity-update-talk

[arctic cliff]

there's something that everyone here seems to be missing

[rose laurel]

I just realized Provi's head has no physical connection to her body

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[arctic cliff]

and thats that how providence looks to the player when they fight her

[misty wren]

the animations are also not a great argument for overall readability

[rose laurel]

...Wait why?

That's part of the design

They absolutely are

[arctic cliff]

like you're probably never going to see these animation details usually because you're not really focused on her details

[valid path]

I thought the neck conncects her head to her body

[arctic cliff]

and yknoq

[misty wren]

like im going to be real until i saw it animated as a discord gif i physically did not know that the body had animations

[arctic cliff]

trying to not get nuked by her star radial attack

[rose laurel]

But yeah

[valid path]

she has no "front neck" but a "back neck" yk

[rose laurel]

.

[arctic cliff]

also

i just realized

the calamity wiki doesnt ANIMATE its bosses for some reason

[misty wren]

when playing the game you're focused primarily on the overall shape of large blocks of color and that doesnt meaningfully change for the body

[molten grove]

yyallve been talking about providence's design for 5 hours

[summer shore]

Ok so the main criticism is you can't pick out the details while fighting the boss

Is that not just every boss ever like, even the exos are just steel and crystal if you boil them down

[arctic cliff]

unlike terraria wiki gg

[arctic cliff]

It's a lot easier for that to happen to providence

[rose laurel]

Providence isn't "what the fuck is going on", she's "this is kinda hard to figure out"

[arctic cliff]

Compare this to Providence

[rose laurel]

Her design isn't bad it's just not executed too well. It can easily be fixed by just refining it a little bit

Granted I do think the roots should just explode

[arctic cliff]

(also ares like literally stays GLUED to your screen so you're gonna see his sweet details)

[misty wren]

the difference is that with other bosses theres a pretty clear distinction between parts

with ares you can easily tell where the head is when its a static image

[arctic cliff]

Okay, this isn't the whole ares design because for some reason they dont show that in the wiki (GRAAAHHH FIND THE SPRITES)

[summer shore]

So you want to make providence glued to your screen too?

To see all the details

[arctic cliff]

but regardless, you can easily tell apart the details far more easily

[rose laurel]

I think people are overblowing the issue and not seeing it at the same time, somehow

[misty wren]

holy strawman no

[rose laurel]

This conversation is so fucking stupid Jesus Christ almighty

[summer shore]

And tell me do you look at thanatos' details too

[arctic cliff]

sections of ares have differing colors, different parts

[dusk bronze]

how are y'all still talking about this

i was gone for hours

[arctic cliff]

I chose Ares for this EXACT reason

yes

[tropic ermine]

if we're basing this off the animation then seem like a crutch to distinctiveness then tbh
like, sure, if there's a design that's constantly in motion that necessitates being animated or sth like that then it makes sense
but if it needs animation just to be able to recognize the parts and how they form a cohesive whole? that's kinda... yeah...

[summer shore]

Apparently I can't fucking talk about something without people going "how are y'all still talking about this" huh

[arctic cliff]

anyhow

[summer shore]

Every fucking time in this damn community

[misty wren]

my guy

[tropic ermine]

that's all I'll say

[summer shore]

Whatever

[arctic cliff]

lets move on damn

[misty wren]

you will be fine

[tropic ermine]

aaanyway

[rose laurel]

No you're spitting I fucking hate that too

Constructive conversations? In my Calamity Mod Discord?

[misty wren]

the message was only sent because it started over 5 hours ago

[arctic cliff]

can we just complain about... NOT NEW, the CURRENT dog sprite

[rose laurel]

Not allowed, they last more than 5 minutes

[dusk bronze]

no i love long conversations it's just very surprising because they're so rare

[misty wren]

oh yeah no current dog is ass

[rose laurel]

I still think this discussion turned into a dumb spot though because it really just as simple as

[arctic cliff]

Anyhow

[summer shore]

"Lets move on" I'm literally trying my fucking best to be constructive and still gets shoved under the rug like it's some joe shitting on something for no reason

[rose laurel]

Providence's design isn't bad it's just kinda hard to read unless you really focus on it

[summer shore]

Zero fucking difference in treatment

Why even try

[arctic cliff]

It's... it's not that deep man

[misty wren]

it really isnt that deep

[arctic cliff]

we're like

arguing over a really old sprite

[rose laurel]

You're doing EXACTLY what Alt is complaining about

😭

Insane

[summer shore]

Yeah man

[arctic cliff]

Jeez

gah

[tropic ermine]

I lost the plot like 10 mins ago when it became talking about the fact that we're still talking

[arctic cliff]

can a dev save us by suddenly posting an epic spoiler please

[tropic ermine]

can someone get a new topic

[summer shore]

I was done talking about provi like 5 mintues ago I was going off about people telling me to stop just because the convo got mildly heated

[tropic ermine]

idfk uhh
status of magnet thanatos?

[arctic cliff]

#spoilers message

[dusk bronze]

still up in the air

[arctic cliff]

formerly Legendary weapons getting cool lore descriptions

that sounds neat

speaking of which

what does the reworked SHPC do? I've been waiting FOREVER for that

[misty wren]

magnet thanatos is interesting but also not something im particularly invested in

[tropic ermine]

oh sweet

[misty wren]

super heats plasma

cannon

[arctic cliff]

wow

[dusk bronze]

incredible

[arctic cliff]

that sounds amazing

[valid path]

I don't know if this was answered before, but is there a rough estimate of how high up the new Sunken Sea is going to start generating? I want to know due to mod compatibility concerns and if I need to take some preperations

[cobalt wharf]

but what if it didnt super heat plasma

[dusk bronze]

it'll eat some of the underground desert

[mossy berry]

iirc it's taking up more of the under

yeah

that

[dusk bronze]

maybe like a third i actually don't know

[misty wren]

last i saw of some very early wip worldgen it took up quite a large portion

but idk how much thats changed since

seeing as that was over 6 months ago

[dusk bronze]

where was this?

sounds interesting

[misty wren]

private server

[valid path]

A third of what is now still underground desert, or just a third of the underground desert? I suppose it's the former, right?

[dusk bronze]

uhhhh
idk

[valid path]

Ok. Still thanks for your help mate

[dusk bronze]

i meant it might take up like a third of the current underground desert but this is all completely baseless conjecture

[summer shore]

It's like whatever you try to talk with just gets pushed into "oh no we have to stop or it'll turn into an argument" as soon as people start having differing opinions and like
I get it
People on the internet fucking suck at constructive criticism

but when people actually talk constructively it always just gets met with "shhhhhh shut up change convo NOW" and then people wonder why nobody gives a shit about trying to be constructive

If someone says "dude we moved on already" I'm gonna kill someone

[tropic ermine]

I'm just gonna sit this out

[misty wren]

idr exactly how much seeing as. over 6 months ago. but it took up like around half of the underground desert plus extended a bit past that

[arctic cliff]

@summer shore jeez relax

[summer shore]

This kind of comment is also not helpful

[valid path]

I just need to know some form of rough estimate because if the vultric desert rips out some SS sub-biomes, I will have to completely ditch Starlight River from the pack

[dusk bronze]

someone post the "japanese soldier fighting wwii after it ended" image

[summer shore]

As is this

[summer shore]

And this

[rose laurel]

Dude we've moved on already /j

[summer shore]

You see?

[tropic ermine]

wh-
e-
what the hell else am I supposed to do

[misty wren]

and i will reiterate this was Very Early Worldgen the majority of the tiles werent even implemented at that point

[summer shore]

Not say anything?

[arctic cliff]

No, SERIOUSLY. Relax.

You're being overly angry about people not wanting to stick with an exhausting conversation.

[summer shore]

I get it man it's exhausting

[arctic cliff]

It was clearly annoying for everyone involved, hence why we collectively decided, "nah this ain't worth it, can we move on?"

[rose laurel]

I think he's being entirely reasonable and completely agree with his point

👍

[dusk bronze]

who

alt?

[rose laurel]

Yeah

[dusk bronze]

o h

[arctic cliff]

What

[misty wren]

if it was a repeated thing sure that would be reasonable but from what i saw it was literally one singular person that said anything

[summer shore]

It's annoying that people immediately go "it's not worth" and then try to shut other people up just because they don't want to deal with the conversation when

Walking out

Is a perfectly reasonable thing to do

[rose laurel]

It has been repeated countless times over the course of many years. It's a normal response to when things are getting slightly heated but is also extremelly dismissive when things are actually being constructive

[summer shore]

I understand heated conversations suck but it's so easy to just leave the channel until it dies down

[misty wren]

for what its worth the user in question explicitly stated that it had been going on for several hours, the majority of which they had been gone for

[rich ginkgo]

what

what’s happening

where spoilers

[summer shore]

who is this user again

[misty wren]

xzier

[summer shore]

I see

[dusk bronze]

i wasn't even being negative man i wasn't trying to end the convo

[sullen chasm]

uhh calamity spoilers and stuff

[rich ginkgo]

what

[arctic cliff]

okay nah its not worth for me to stick around i got lagiacrus to fight

[dusk bronze]

#spoilers

[rich ginkgo]

wow didnt see that thanks

[dusk bronze]

np

[rich ginkgo]

joking

or am i

maybe i did see it maybe i didnt

[misty wren]

this is the messages im referring to
from what i saw from backreading it seems to be that the conversation of providence's design started around at least four hours previously

[rich ginkgo]

dragging it 💔

[summer shore]

Maybe
Seems like people (including myself admittedly) took it the wrong way though

The japanese soldier comment is also one I took in offense because it definitely was not needed

I get it's humour but still

[rose laurel]

People complain about others always trying to shut down arguments because "it's taken too long"
Proceeds to do the exact same thing

This is the third time this has happened, it's genuinely insane

[summer shore]

In this same conversation

Within an hour

💔

[rich ginkgo]

idk man i think we should all just rejoice and look at this hairy guinea pig

[summer shore]

Proceeds to further drown the convo with an unrelated thing

Haha

[dusk bronze]

the convo sucks ngl

[rich ginkgo]

so u dont like my guinea pig

is that what ur saying

[summer shore]

No I don't care

[rose laurel]

It sucks because people who don't want to have it keep trying to butt in and make the people who actually want to stop it

👍

[dusk bronze]

because this channel is for talking about calamity spoilers

[rich ginkgo]

booo 👎

[rose laurel]

It's not hard to Not Engage

Anyways I will say now to actually drop the conversation because by this point it's clear we are stuck in this ever repeating loop

The point has already been made

[summer shore]

It's being proven in real time multiple times it's funny

[rose laurel]

It has and it would be comical if not sad

[rich ginkgo]

ds goober repost 😱

[clear compass]

What in the spoilers is going on here

[dusk bronze]

scrung

[valid path]

I am pretty sure the current Sunken Sea and Vultric Desert are too close next to each other to not cause major issues once the new Sunken Sea drops, right?

[dusk bronze]

correct

that is much too close

[rich ginkgo]

what doed this have to do with this channel

[misty wren]

i will say, in my opinion, a message about stopping would have been perfectly fine because of the sheer length of the discussion
from backreading it had already lasted at least for four hours
i agree that it sucks to have discussion shut down and i fully agree with alts point about discussions on the internet
i just dont think the discussion that directly preceded this whole thing was the best example of one of those situations

[dusk bronze]

future content

[rich ginkgo]

oh

are you sure

[dusk bronze]

yes

[rich ginkgo]

okay i trust you

[dusk bronze]

it's about upcoming sunken sea generation

[misty wren]

it is a question directly pertaining to how future content will affect other content mods

[dusk bronze]

anyway

[valid path]

Hmm. I think if I could put the vultric desert higher up, there would be not enough vanilla underground desert

[dusk bronze]

scog

[summer shore]

It's certainly An example

Byea

[rich ginkgo]

that’s gonna be a problem and i dont know how they plan o ndeali g with that

[rich ginkgo]

as a patreon ive seen like gery early versions of new sso generation and its uhh

[misty wren]

please no

[rich ginkgo]

looks like it’ll leave 30% of the desert left on its own

[misty wren]

please we just finished that discussion in a rather chaotic manner

[dusk bronze]

wait are we allowed to say that

[rich ginkgo]

if only xl worlds existed sighh

[lean relic]

nuh uh just posting

[thick coyote]

Yeah what the

I don't think we can

[misty wren]

iirc advanced worldgen works with cal

[rich ginkgo]

idk i said very early

lol

[valid path]

This isn't the concern of the StarlightRiver Devs, this is solely my concern because I decided to add both into my Modpack

[lean relic]

we have this from way back

[rich ginkgo]

are people seriously expecting sso to not make the sunkrn sea bigger

like dont pretend that’s a shocking thing i “leaked”

[misty wren]

wait thats an sso spoiler what

[rich ginkgo]

when im p sure everyone knew sunken sea would get bigger lool

[misty wren]

i thought that was something for ccr

[dusk bronze]

wait i might've caused that misconception

[valid path]

We all now that the Sunken sea will get much bigger, at least those who have been keeping up with spoiler stuff

[mossy berry]

being so honest I am more than happy to hear sunken sea is eating more of the underground desert

and going deeper closer to hell

screw that hellhole of a biome called the underground desert

[rich ginkgo]

didnt specify if it’d go deeper

just said it ate more of the desert

[dusk bronze]

we already know it will

[mossy berry]

i think the future content doc mentions it

[dusk bronze]

future doc or smth

[valid path]

^

[lean relic]

say it now, Sunken sea is no longer ellipse

[dusk bronze]

fr it's too big

[rich ginkgo]

yeah id hope it’s going deeper 💀

the lava part of the

new sunken sea should go down to thr lava layer

i mean it makes sense

[mossy berry]

I like the underground desert for giving me the ancient chisel !!!

[rich ginkgo]

wait does current desert already go down to lava layer

[mossy berry]

pretty sure

[dusk bronze]

just barely

actually i don't think so

unless current ss also eats the desert

[misty wren]

it eats a bit of it

but there is still some stuff that hits lava

[dusk bronze]

well the lava layer is just below current ss iirc

[valid path]

yeah sometimes there is lava in the sunken sea. At least in my experience

[mossy berry]

Okay despite being atrocious to visit early the loot in the underground desert is like actually super useful for earlygame in base terraria

i think that also carries over in calamity?

dunerider boots, chisel for mining, source of mining potions, fossil pickaxe is good

[valid path]

Luxor's Gift and stuff

[mossy berry]

true that's also down there

one copy of the snake flute is cool really early for traversing caves

what's the last of the 4 desert loots

[valid path]

The thing that gives you "infinite" rope coil basically?

[mossy berry]

that's the snake flute yeah

CONCH right

very very good pickup in vanilla

[valid path]

Sounds nice, never used tho cuz by the time I hit the underground desert I have like 4 digit ropes

[mossy berry]

it's craftable cheaply in calamity though

[valid path]

Ah ok

[mossy berry]

yeah it's really only good if you go to desert first

[misty wren]

conch is good yeah

[valid path]

conch is a major tine saver

[misty wren]

if you're desert fishing sure

[mossy berry]

Oh I suppose pearls aren't that easy to get

[misty wren]

yeah

you need to desert fish and get oysters from said fishing

[mossy berry]

They can be found in the 2nd(?) layer of the abyss though

[solar garnet]

i haven't been here for a while does anyone know the current update schedule and is sunken sea update still being developed

[mossy berry]

so not too far away

oh actually giant clam also just

outright drops it

[misty wren]

and the simple fishing requirement has the nefarious evil blast

[mossy berry]

i think the normal clams can too, just at a low rate

[misty wren]

yes but also thats post ds

[mossy berry]

true

which is at a point where you should be able to grab the conch from desert chests anyway

[misty wren]

yea

[valid path]

Yes SSO is still being worked on and some guy on the Mod of Redemption server said that the internal prediction is around September to October (soup spoon of salt, fingers crossed)

[mossy berry]

I think a big thing holding SSO (or at least why it's in 2 parts now) is Terraria 1.4.5

[misty wren]

the recipe is nice if you didnt get a conch in a desert chest but generally speaking you probably will

[misty wren]

well no

its in 2 parts because scopecreep

[rose laurel]

Not at all, that I can confirm

[solar garnet]

is there anything else to look forward beside the 69th rework of d.o.g

[mossy berry]

Ah okay

[misty wren]

yes

sunken sea overhaul

[rose laurel]

I already explained more or less what's been going on behind the scenes. The tl;dr is just that we have had to figure out how to best organize the team to handle this kind of update on the fly

[solar garnet]

my brother we were already discussing that

[mossy berry]

I recommend reading the future content doc pinned in this channel

[misty wren]

a technically countable number of weapon reworks

[mossy berry]

for plenty of cool things coming in calamity

[torn kite]

Sunken Sea Overhaul part 1 tomorrow?

[valid path]

Now that you are asking, maybe the 70th rework of dog, cuz my man needs to set the standard for what it means to be an epic bossfight just like Chris Bumstead

[mossy berry]

Ah fair enough
I just know summoner rebalance is in part 2 which I wasn't sure was because of 1.4.5 or just how the SSO split shook out

[cyan panther]

To be fair I doubt people are looking forward to “Unecessary DoG rework #67”

[solar garnet]

i mean i saw somethings about it it looks huge but perfection is impossible you can only get so close to it but never to it so another 100 d.o.g rework please

[brave star]

Cosmore cameo

Oh wait I’m a mangorb

[misty wren]

do you enjoy dog in its current state

[mossy berry]

I think comparatively this DoG rework is like, the most significant one ever

because it's going to massively change how DoG is approached and feels like to fight

[cyan panther]

He is

The only good worm boss in the mod rn that actually has something going for him

[mossy berry]

It also completely gets rid of the lasers (W)

[lean relic]

sso dog rework will stay like that until distortion update

[hushed hazel]

That’s a new one

[cyan panther]

So they get rid of the unique part of the fight?

[misty wren]

thats a very new take

[misty wren]

laser worm
unique
are you ragebaiting or are you fr

[valid path]

I said he shall set the standard, not reach perfection. Nothing on this green earth is perfect. People who despise worm bosses will never think the fight is perfect because it's a worm boss. You know what I mean?

[lean relic]

dog shooting laser is weird and looks similar to destroyer

[hushed hazel]

💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥

NOT EVERYONE WHO HAS AN UNPOPULAR OPINION IS RAGEBAITING

shut UP

[misty wren]

dog having lasers is objectively not unique

[cyan panther]

The laser stuff is probably one of the most unique parts of the fight because of how they’re used

They’re different enough from destroyer to not seem like a copy paste like original DoG was

[terse dew]

what if we made a laser

[mossy berry]

I enjoy fighting dog but that's solely because of the character and the music and the fact that it's a rather big jump in difficulty- it's genuinely hype moments and aura

If i break down the DoG fight, it's actually absurdly simple and boils down to "run away" until it's "time to stand still to dodge this laser wall"

[terse dew]

That shoots worms

😲

[valid path]

Dang

Some Goethe type shiet

[cyan panther]

Lazer grid move helps the fight be interesting and not just “run in straight line away from worm”

[mossy berry]

I find the laser wall to feel really weird in what feels like a very momentum based fight where you're running for you life

because it suddenly asks you to stop moving

[misty wren]

anyways body lasers were removed in an in dev build and according to the dev that tested it it was actually one of the worst experiences fighting a boss they've ever had

so they did a soft rework

[mossy berry]

althought without it there's almost nothing else in the fight so like

This is why there is a rework planned

[cyan panther]

Honestly I don’t really care what happens with DoG, my only gripe is how out of place the new sprite looks

It’s size seems like it’s gonna make the fight not fun

But hey, it can’t be worse than the dogshit that is whatever Infernum did to him

[mossy berry]

I think making DoG enormous is going to be really fun
If nothing else, a boss that size is just intimidating and I live for that

[misty wren]

i mean like

[hushed hazel]

I’m a vibes based typa guy

[misty wren]

i think whats happening is you're assuming dog isnt gonna get a rework with the resprite

[mossy berry]

I kinda want the instakill head attack back cause that's super fitting but gameplay wise that was likely taken out for good reason

[hushed hazel]

Yhorm from ds3 might not be even remotely a good actual fight but that shit is still hype as hell when you and siegward are beating his ass with storm rulers

[cyan panther]

I don’t know if current DoG with the big sprite would be worse then them reworking him to be essentially an entirely new boss

[misty wren]

because no they arent going to just stick that sprite on the current or even next updates dog fight it would be abysmal dogshit and the devs all know that

[hushed hazel]

Same with rykard from elden ring except even more because he has an actual fight and doesn’t get nuked in fifteen seconds

[terse dew]

Dark Beast Ganon is not really a boss in botw but it sure as hell has an amazing atmosphere

🙂‍↕️

Immaculate vibes

[hushed hazel]

Can’t speak on that but I believe it

[valid path]

The Demon Dragon still is a better fight

[cyan panther]

Either way I do not think that making him bigger than Prov is that necessary

All he really needed was just a color update, maybe make him a tad bit bigger

But he didn’t need to be turned into a png

[misty wren]

its a horrible fucking fight but the vibes truly are immaculate

[terse dew]

This is true, but I think the vibes are better in botw

[mossy berry]

I cannot fathom how the enormous DoG will actually attack past just Being In The Way but I'm sure it'll be dope as hell so
I trust the calamity devs they tend to not disappoint me

[cyan panther]

As much as I hate Infernum DoG, I at least think the size of that sprite is pretty good scale wise

[wild tinsel]

Guys when is sso coming out

[misty wren]

never

😔

[wild tinsel]

Oh okay…..

[hushed hazel]

Sekiro Owl vibes

[terse dew]

Sometime between the heat death of the universe and 1 day before SSO launches

[mossy berry]

DoG being as big as he is going to be fits better for what he's canonically able to do imo

[wild tinsel]

Its so over

[cyan panther]

If it’s anything other than just “oh worm go fly at you go up or down” with a sprite that big I feel like it’d be unplayable

[hushed hazel]

Let’s hope it’s not then

[wild tinsel]

💔

[valid path]

Actually you are right on that one. DBG feels more like a climax to an interwoven story. DD is more like "I can do what Zelda can"

[mossy berry]

There will almost certainly be projectiles of some kind

[terse dew]

No way

[mossy berry]

genius sentence I know

[cyan panther]

There are honestly

Probably other bosses that should get a rework before things like DoG or DS get their like… 50th one each

Especially when reworks are things like what it seems like DoG is gonna be

[terse dew]

Double DoG and call it a day

[valid path]

Add CaT to the fight and call it a day

[terse dew]

What does CaT stand for

[valid path]

Erm, you sure wouldn't want to know 💀

[terse dew]

😨

[misty wren]

Calamitas and Timbuktu

[valid path]

^

[lean relic]

better open the link to watch it

[valid path]

Yharon: Shoes!

[hushed hazel]

why mention it then

[mossy berry]

Creator asregardsto Titans

finding a synonym for of is a bit difficult

[valid path]

Because it's a joke

[hushed hazel]

seems kinda strange to mention something you apparently can't elaborate on

[misty wren]

Calamity and Transgender

[hushed hazel]

that's already in the game

[misty wren]

yeah and

they need to add it again

[hexed basalt]

calamity ass testing (master mode

[terse dew]

truth nuke

[hushed hazel]

truth supernova

[torn kite]

🐈

[modern grove]

Truth galaxy merge

[thorny glacier]

truth heat death of the universe

[thorny glacier]

car

[valid path]

Truth truth

[lucid torrent]

Ravager

It's always been ravager

[azure oak]

celemete

[valid path]

The Ravager rework comes with the brimstone crags overhaul or am I mistaken?

[valid crypt]

Most likely will

[valid path]

No obligations. Bro still had to pay 2 bucks

[azure oak]

57 days until time between BH and SSO part 1 is longer than between R&D and draedon update

dont take this as trying to rush the devs ples, i just like keeping track of meaningless things

ares jumpscare

[valid path]

Wait what. The draedon update took even longer?

[hushed hazel]

the time between the last patch before 1.5 and 1.5 was exactly one year

[azure oak]

time between rust and dust & the draedon update is indeed longer than between bountiful harvest and today

[hushed hazel]

the time between rust and dust and 1.5 was a lot longer though

[valid path]

crazy. Didn't feel like it back in the day or I just don't remember

[hushed hazel]

if we want to be pedantic and measure sso the same way it's taken a month

[azure oak]

though i'm counting the time between content updates rather than patches

[valid path]

Well 2.0.5 was a content update. A small one, yes, but nevertheless

[nocturne crater]

p

[valid path]

The long-awaited Poxus and Peroc Update

[azure oak]

2.0.5 was just kinda a patch with some extra stuff put in there

still some nice stuff though

[final pine]

2.0.4.3 was bigger

[azure oak]

buzzkill & superradiant slaughterer my beloved

cant wait for miracle saw

[valid path]

I hope the new Earth is going to be good

[azure oak]

when the saw is a miracle

[valid path]

dang looks miraulous

miraculous dumbwit

[lapis oak]

Damn what if Dia come here and slap our faces with new DD sprite right now

[valid crypt]

Desert dourge?

[azure oak]

diracle datter

[lapis oak]

Dolaris Darrotfish

[fathom girder]

Dexo dlade

[final pine]

dold duke

[stoic tide]

deaceless doid

[prisma canyon]

M1 GARAND??

[lapis oak]

You're right

[pseudo vector]

the 4th decimal was always so dumb lmao

[copper fable]

ping

where do yall even find spoilers at

[pseudo vector]

thank god we're going to more concise version numbers now lmao

[scarlet root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/1380911981887750244/2c50fd4558ce4440.gif

[azure oak]

don't worry about it

[scarlet root]

I throw full Yaron 3, 2, 1...

[tidal steeple]

LOOKS COOL‼️‼️‼️

[azure oak]

AresBottomShoulder.gif

[lapis oak]

😨

[tidal steeple]

wot?

[azure oak]

ArtemisPhase2Lock.gif

[modern grove]

#real Greek god fans know that Apollo should be the orange one and Artemis should be the green one

[azure oak]

tell why

[modern grove]

Apollo is associated with enlightenment in various ways. Music, art, archery, medicine, literal sun. Civilization.

Artemis is a goddess associated with wilderness, hunt, forest, night and moon. I think orange would work well with this light association, while green works with wilderness vibes

[azure oak]

neat

[still bluff]

I love the god of sunlight being green...

[modern grove]

He's god of rain world stars

[still bluff]

True

[granite smelt]

i thought that said geek gods for a sec

[azure oak]

bonus:

[fathom girder]

Isn't that just homestuck

[analog helm]

Apple and orange flavoured

[high scaffold]

I saw this 20 times already

[azure oak]

we dont have much to talk about ok

[high scaffold]

calamity spoiler talk? more like sso coping talk

[azure oak]

yeah.....

[high scaffold]

if only calamity had drops like minecraft

the misc. updates every 3 months

[fathom girder]

Sso in 10 years

[azure oak]

half of SSO is unrelated to the sunken sea

[high scaffold]

"sunken sea and friends" ahh update

[lean relic]

make update title half Sunkea sea related, half others related dev

[flat folio]

Would we say the harvest is bountiful?

[azure oak]

almost everything? yes, definitely

fabsol's boss changes? the harvest was rotten

[high scaffold]

theres no harvest, we are starving for updates and spoilers

[azure oak]

thank god that a lot of the changes are being reverted... eventually

idk what update but just eventually

[flat folio]

Just gotta detach and check back in two years to discover how much has changed

[lean relic]

since most devs are sleeping rn, we must wait until the end

[high scaffold]

master mode skeletron prime

[azure oak]

hive mind & plaguebringer goliath

[modern grove]

You may not get it yet but this is a spoiler to sso. You will understand later.

[flat folio]

Toby Fox making Gaster show up in 2029 and not using the mystery man sprite we've been clinging to for over a decade

[azure oak]

god damn you dark hearts

[tropic ermine]

a plague swept thru the farm

[high scaffold]

real

[modern grove]

I think there's no real gaster form

Mystery man is a gaster but not the gaster

If that makes sense

[tropic ermine]

wait, so there isn't even an actual gaster sprite? what in the

[hushed hazel]

iunno if it's ever been confirmed that That is actually gaster

[flat folio]

Not one that's strictly confirmed
Mystery man is just the one the community has latched onto

[modern grove]

Mystery man has a lot of stuff associated with gaster

I think he appears when the fun value is 66, the disappearance sound is speed up version of gaster theme

It's not confirmed in a way that like, it's not outright stated

But like c'mon it's gaster

In some way shape or form

[hushed hazel]

until proven otherwise, that is gaster

[flat folio]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if smth like it is used (partly on account of having it be clear that it's him)
But at the same time the possibility of blowing up ten years of fanart would be kinda funny

[fathom girder]

Mystery man is more than likely just a gaster cultist

[modern grove]

I think he's a piece of gaster, just like the unused sprite and also the little ball thing that one of followers holds

[flat folio]

Plot twist that "I'm holding a piece of him right here" actually refers to the man holding the piece, since it's the soul-looking piece itself that's talking

[fathom girder]

Knowing Toby, he'll do exactly this and gaster will be like "not what you expected, huh"

[modern grove]

It's possible

Well toby is also a competent writer and storyteller, he won't do random thing just for trolls

[coral shuttle]

not knowing toby, they can do litterally everything and peoples cycle of "toby is unpredictable" will go on forever

[flat folio]

Tricky Tony strikes again!

[hushed hazel]

tricky ricky......

[fathom girder]

...tony?

[coral shuttle]

tony dog

[flat folio]

It's an intentional misspelling
Deltarune brainrot type memes

[modern grove]

What if image_friend is actually a tricky tony to Toby's annoying dog

[coral shuttle]

boby cat

[azure oak]

how spoilerous

[cunning sequoia]

sebastian wolff

[modern grove]

This, mysteriously, is also a spoiler for the future

You will get it in 2 months, 19 days, 3 hours and 37 minutes

[azure oak]

snailord leak

DraedonIdle.gif

[modern grove]

Sebastian Wolf, Tricky Tony, FRIEND and evil Another Him AI music maker Toby Fox playing chess for 4 people

[hard hearth]

tricky ricky

[analog helm]

glubby...

[modern grove]

Holy heck spore???

[hard hearth]

:D

yeppers

[hushed hazel]

Tricky Ricky :D

:demon_god:

[hard hearth]

[hushed hazel]

There he is :D

[azure oak]

yharim is a collective hallucination, in reality after exo mechs & calamitas we're gonna have to fight a guy named Fin L. Boss

[analog helm]

Finn McCool?

[hard hearth]

finland

[analog helm]

sweden

[buoyant pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/windows00-windows2000-simpler-times-screensaver-pipes-gif-14530365

fuck

its 5:30 am

im bed

🛌

[lapis oak]

Epic embed failed

[wide nova]

when i was a kid i religiously hated every single player with this face

[analog helm]

real...

[torn cairn]

Guys will sso be the biggest update ever ?

Feels like there's so much stuff that's gonna be added

[hushed hazel]

think so yes

hopefully

[rare tinsel]

holy shit sluggy resprite?

[valid path]

sso has been confirmed to be the largest update so far to my knowledge

[fathom girder]

It will be yeah

[stuck kite]

possibly ever ever

[lapis oak]

the one and only

[dull heart]

hi

[cinder hearth]

Sup doze

[dull heart]

the real sunken sea is the fries we made along the way

[fathom girder]

Do you have a dog spoiler for us doze

We're desperate to see a sliver of anything of him

[dull heart]

no

[twin juniper]

Spoiler: he have stormweaver ai now

[frozen shore]

i have no idea who this "we" guy is

[azure oak]

we're desperate to see a sliver of~anything of him

[fathom girder]

Temporary walls

Okay okay what if the rework was being kept hidden because they're turning DoG into a salamander

But with like 5 pairs of legs

[azure oak]

each segment of DoG will be its own worm

[frozen shore]

what if

[fathom girder]

And every segment on those worms will be its own worm

[frozen shore]

he goes back to the first version

[fathom girder]

Destroyer reskin...

[frozen shore]

now that's the prophecy

[dull heart]

more like i have lack of storm weaver ai right now

[fathom girder]

Because you're so full of dog ai surely..

[azure oak]

DoG will become a worm on a string

[modern grove]

Dog now has antlion ai

He will sit on top of the world and spit distorted sand balls at you

[azure oak]

he will have no cooldown

[twin juniper]

make it the Antlion ai that have no speed limit or something idk physic

[dull schooner]

everyboss should have storm weaver's p1 ai

[modern grove]

Hell torture

[iron dew]

doze can you start adding negative spoilers to the pile

start removing spoilers instead

[fathom girder]

Sunken sea underhaul

[cinder hearth]

Nah negative spoilers would be adding fake spoilers to mislead us

[lapis oak]

so the usual?

[dusty tinsel]

Negative spoilers aka showing us stuff that's been removed

Without saying that it was

[lapis oak]

showing Khamul getting eaten by chimkens

because that was real at some point

[azure oak]

solution is to go outside in the blistering heat without water so we can start hallucinating new spoilers

[dull schooner]

good idea

[azure oak]

exl pism will are replace by the

[analog helm]

and that's how the calamity fandom wiki was born

[azure oak]

(btw remember to stay hydrated in this heat wave)

[vivid hemlock]

Her design being good doesnt make the many details in it not clump together
The roots arent just part of the wings and are all over the sprite
The collar armor doesnt even read like that unless you look really closely at a still image of the sprite
Theres fire sacks for some reason
The roots are also barely in the wings too, the rest i can agree with

[barren nacelle]

The fact that you cannot discern any of these traits at first glance means the sprite is messy

[azure oak]

wouldn't complain about a redesign but at the very least the sprite should be cleaned up a bit

[cinder hearth]

Me personally I KNOW where her face is but the way I read it AT FIRST is :

Green for eyes, purple for ears, and blue for where a mouth would be

[valid path]

I suppose that is the consensus from today's morning riot

[dull heart]

I have never seen green as her eyes ngl

I always see her eyes in the right spot I just always see the jaw

[valid crypt]

Same

[cinder hearth]

I did at first and now I can't unsee it

[dusty tinsel]

Provi should obviously become full moth design

[orchid finch]

I did

[valid path]

Provi should just get her old sprite back and play Adventure's End as her battle theme again

[orchid finch]

Like even when I learned where here eyes are actually at, those holes are still eyes for my brain

[cinder hearth]

Yeah same

They're just so bright

When compared to the rest of her rock form

[orchid finch]

No

They're just so big

There's so much space!

[cinder hearth]

Wait now I wonder if anyone read the design as just a huge face, like, the big circles in her wings as eyes

[azure oak]

i've always liked the idea of providence resembling actual armor more

[cinder hearth]

Well isn't that concept gonna be taken up by polterghast

As in, actual armor

[lapis oak]

no Polterghast wears armor

[azure oak]

well i said "resembling" actual armor

also that

providence is the armor

[tall viper]

her eyes are the small holes right?

above green

[azure oak]

yeah

[cobalt wharf]

am i the only person that read provs sprite correctly the first time

[hushed hazel]

no

[dense sundial]

I think I did but idr

[analog helm]

baked potato amalgamation with salt crystals and cheese

[hasty tangle]

gore of my comfort character

[summer shore]

I get that but maybe like don't say it doesn't mean anything 😭 it makes it seem like you're just saying it sucks and not giving any reason

[modern grove]

Evil and intimidating coprolite

[late eagle]

Any spoilers

Dang providence convo

No spoilers then

Bye spoila chat

[vivid hemlock]

you're true

[lean relic]

fine

[barren nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[lean relic]

the man himself

[barren nacelle]

Scorn Eater

Good lord what an enemy

[cobalt wharf]

why does he have a pacman face

[barren nacelle]

The only profaned enemy anyone remembers because its the only one that does anything

[white aurora]

i hate scorn eaters so much

they look so dumb and they jump me so much

[lean relic]

LOL

they always roadkilling me

[valid crypt]

they get countered by flying 10 blockss up anyways

[dusk bronze]

to eat scorn better

duh

[barren nacelle]

God the entire Profaned aesthetic / design needs to be scrubbed

[cobalt wharf]

cmon its good

its just soured by every enemy looking the same

[barren nacelle]

It needs to be redone man its a mess

Okay not scrubbed as in axed

Scrubbed as in redone

[azure oak]

could be tied more to providence's whole fire & ash thing

but i do like the colors at least

[dusk bronze]

viruling

[barren nacelle]

The resprite done for Unholy Essence gives me hope

Honestly so many of the non-biome themes, and even the biome locked themes, suffer so hard from Monopallette rot

Plague, Astral, Profaned

Brimstone

Hell Wulfrum, though that's a bit more acceptable

[barren nacelle]

I do think the enemies could use a whole lot more polish tho

[dusk bronze]

current sunken sea
sulphur sea

[vivid hemlock]

unholy essence my beloved

[barren nacelle]

Unholy Essence, you go girl do nothing

[lean relic]

btw Seeking Scorcher also uses new palette

[dusk bronze]

and holy collider

and absolutely nothing else

[analog helm]

i really like these things

[vivid hemlock]

the only issue i have with holy collider is that its unreasonable large but thats not going to be an issue anymore 😊

[dusk bronze]

getting hit with the shrink ray

[azure oak]

except elysian arrows

[barren nacelle]

Elysian Arrows look cool

[vivid hemlock]

why are all of the arrows so nice

... except for bloodflare

[dusk bronze]

fuck bloodflare

all my homies hate bloodflare

[barren nacelle]

Ah, bloodstone, the most set ever

[azure oak]

cause bloodflare arrows havent been resprited since october 2020

[vivid hemlock]

yep

[dusk bronze]

hey guys
did you know
bloodflare arrows
are actually called
bloodfire arrows

for absolutely no reason

[valid crypt]

???

[azure oak]

please tell me all bloodflare stuff will be re-whatevered with the ravager rework

[dusk bronze]

almost certainly

[lyric trellis]

No they’re gonna keep everything the same unfortunately

[dusk bronze]

i would be very surprised if it wasn't

[lyric trellis]

Including ravager

[dusk bronze]

[pulsar cobalt]

ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT WHEN I SEE ICICLE ARROW

IS THAT

DAMN

SUGGESTION

[vivid hemlock]

mhm

200 votes

[barren nacelle]

What did I miss

What suggestion

[vivid hemlock]

there was a suggestion years ago to flip the icicle arrow sprite since it was inconsistent

[pulsar cobalt]

old suggestion that got like 250 or so votes when it was relevant

yea

it was pointing up

the sugg asked to be pointed down

[barren nacelle]

LMFAO that's something I would complain about

[pulsar cobalt]

i believe its the highest voted during its span

[barren nacelle]

I mean I went on that whole tirade on chair item sprites being inconsistent

[dusk bronze]

i rember

the chair

[pulsar cobalt]

and is currently the highest sugg reacted by users

[barren nacelle]

Yeah I made a whole thread about it lmfao

https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1362415721245839561

They never got back to me 😔

[dusk bronze]

sadge

[cyan panther]

Do these mean Prov and the other profaned enemies have planned recolors or something

[dusk bronze]

not prov

[vivid hemlock]

a simple recolor is not enough

[dusk bronze]

her resprite is still a resounding maybe

[vivid hemlock]

the profaned enemy designs need to be remade really

[barren nacelle]

Yeah, a lot of them are really noisy nothingburgers

[cyan panther]

She doesn’t need one really

Unless it is to update the palette

Rock moth god is neat she doesn’t need a redesign imo

[barren nacelle]

their sprites often come off as unreadable due to the monopalettes

And the noise

Providence's sprite is one of the oldest in the mod

I think she's like in 4th

[dusk bronze]

what's first

[barren nacelle]

Only beat by Yharon

And Signus and one other i'm forgetting rn

I think people forget how old Signus' sprite is

[valid crypt]

provi could do with touchups to be made more understandable

[vivid hemlock]

shes not even a moth anymore

[cyan panther]

I was gonna ask why then I remembered Profaned Energy exists

[cyan panther]

She’s still moth shaped in a way?

Maybe not exactly a moth but some of the resemblance still feels like it’s there

[barren nacelle]

Yeah Providence's sprite is from May 4, 2018

Signus is a month older

[dusk bronze]

they meant in the lore

[barren nacelle]

April 2, 2018

I'm gonna make a list one sec

[cyan panther]

Oh

Yeah I know she’s not actually a moth

[dusk bronze]

what are you doing

[cyan panther]

Either way I really don’t see anything wrong with her design

It’s cool, it looks like a god, and it’s not hornybait

Would she need a resprite to go with the new colors? Maybe

But the design doesn’t seem to need anything

[lean relic]

changing some color

[vivid hemlock]

providence's issue is that its very unreadable

[cyan panther]

There’s a difference in that sprite from the base one

[cyan panther]

It’s really not?

[scarlet root]

XD

[dusk bronze]

no it really is

[vivid hemlock]

describe to me at least 6 parts of the design

[valid crypt]

It is
Most people i see think things that arent her eyes are her eyes

[mystic eagle]

Yellow Eyes
Crystal encased by roots
Wings
Brown rocks
Crystals on the sides
Roots

[cyan panther]

The helmet with the antennae like horns and root tiara thing

The torso’s like a boulder right below the head

Shoulders are the round parts on the sides of the torso with the crystals, glowing cracks, and circular indents

Crystal’s in the center of the body

Roots bulk up the body and converge into the bottom

More semicircular rock formations with glowing circles as the “legs”

And the wings are obvious

[dusk bronze]

okay

now try to pick those out when she's flying around wildly and shooting you

[vivid hemlock]

now tell me which ones you noticed before looking at the sprite closely

[cyan panther]

The head, the Crystal shoulders, the wings, and the Crystal in the center of the body

[valid crypt]

Provi

[cyan panther]

Those are the easiest definable features on her

[cyan panther]

What I never managed to notice though is that the roots are the wings

And that is pretty damn cool

[vivid hemlock]

providence's roots

[fringe quiver]

I still dunno what's up with providence and the guardians having severed arms and legs

like what's up with the pelvis. why is that there.

[cyan panther]

Like how can you see this and say “This is not a good sprite it needs to be redesigned”

[fringe quiver]

It's a good sprite

The design could be better tho

Not that the design is bad even, but it could use improvements

You can separate how good a sprite is from how good a design is

[vivid hemlock]

^

[fringe quiver]

Signus's sprite is pretty damn outdated but his design is actually good enough whereas the new sprite is basically just a upgraded and modernized version of it

[vivid hemlock]

the current desert scourge sprite is good, its design isnt

[fringe quiver]

Compare that to something like Polterghast, which

yeah the design kind of sucks so its being entirely redone

[brave star]

Provg

[rich ginkgo]

yeahh ive never understood why they dont have legs?

[fringe quiver]

My favorite part of Provi's design is her head shape

It's a very cool head shape

[dusk bronze]

unfortunately you can't fucking see it

[fringe quiver]

Yeah like

[rich ginkgo]

i think it’d be sick to see providence in a more human form even though she’s already ascended

[cyan panther]

The head shoulders and Crystal in the center seem to be the defining features of her, as well as the moth-like wings

Taking those away if considering redesigning her would probably make her feel like a completely different entity, which feels like it would defeat the purpose of updating the design because instead of taking the traits that make the character who they are, you’re just making a new character entirely and slapping a new name on it

[rich ginkgo]

she can remain in a human-like shape and not be a jumbled legless mess post-ascension

[fringe quiver]

Polterghast
Desert Scourge
Hive Mind
Perforators
Uhh am i missing any

Oh yeah Ravager

[rich ginkgo]

idk why she just got completely fucked after becoming a god

[vivid hemlock]

old duke

[cyan panther]

Imo a cool part of providence’s design is despite the fact you know she was once human if you know the lore, she doesn’t look like one anymore after ascending

[vivid hemlock]

although you could argue its an entire replacement so

[valid crypt]

Look at slimegod
That was a sapient humanoid being

[rich ginkgo]

the new core has a humanoid eye that stares at you

[fringe quiver]

It's really weird because providence and guardians don't just look like limbless flying things, they specifically look like humanoid torsos with the legs and arms ripped off, you can even see the pelvis and the shoulders

Also yeah i wouldn't say provi not being humanoid is really a problem

[cyan panther]

Hive Mind’s design works though?

[fringe quiver]

look inside

purple brain of chtulhu

[vivid hemlock]

hivemind is just a well made corruption brain

which, is not cutting it

[valid crypt]

Ah yes purple boc

[fringe quiver]

All of the bosses ive listed are being entirely redesigned and will look nothing like their current iterations btw

[cyan panther]

I mean that’s literally what it is no?

Just corruption Brain of Cthulhu

[fringe quiver]

no

[vivid hemlock]

no

[pulsar cobalt]

it can be more

[fringe quiver]

It just being Corruption Brain of Chtulhu is remnants of the mod being incredibly old and lacking updates in certain departments (Notably, bosses)

[rich ginkgo]

no what

😭

[cyan panther]

Sacrificed the limbs for wings and divine power, is that a weird concept for how something would look?

[fringe quiver]

It can be much more interesting tha that

[rich ginkgo]

there is no sacrifice

[vivid hemlock]

thats not how ascension works...

[rich ginkgo]

lol

[cyan panther]

Fair enough

[rich ginkgo]

you dont need to sacrifice your limbs to ascend

[valid crypt]

Hive mind and perferators arent just a random creation of the crimson and corruption like evil 1

[fringe quiver]

It's just a odd design choice to me. Like it's just. There

[barren nacelle]

Yharon - January 1, 2017
Polterghast - August 20, 2017
Brimstone Elemental - December 26, 2017
Aquatic Scourge - March 17, 2018
Signus -April 2, 2018
Ravager and Providence - May 4, 2018
Perforators - June 14, 2018
Crabulon - September 15, 2018
Astrum Aureus and Astrum Deus - November 20, 2018
Calamitas Clone - January 17, 2019 (Touch up, design is from 2017)
Ceaseless Void - November 24, 2019
Devourer of Gods - September 25, 2019
Storm Weaver - February 5, 2020
Hive Mind and Cryogen and Plaguebringer Goliath and Dragonfolly and The Old Duke - April 1, 2020 (Iban Resprites)
Anahita and Leviathan - August 1, 2020
Slime God and Exo Mechs - November 16, 2021
Profaned Guardians - February 20, 2023
Desert Scourge and S.Cal - May 10, 2024

[cyan panther]

Im aware

[dusk bronze]

yooooo

[barren nacelle]

I think the biggest thing I noticed is actually how old Aquatic Scourge is

[fringe quiver]

Providence's design isn't Bad per say, atleast to me, but it also has alot of design elements that really go nowhere

[cyan panther]

Christ CalClone’s resprite was 2019?

I thought it was before that 💀

[barren nacelle]

I should note

[vivid hemlock]

aquatic scourge just being a rejected desert scourge resprite

💔

[barren nacelle]

Calclone's resprite in 2019 was a touchup

[fringe quiver]

She also dosen't fit her narrative role particularly well i don't think

[barren nacelle]

The design is from...

[rich ginkgo]

she really doesnt

[fringe quiver]

I think you could lean further into the whole blind justice thing

[cyan panther]

Honestly as long as it looks good and doesn’t get rid of like… her defining characteristics from the current design I don’t really feel like it matters

[rich ginkgo]

my first time playing cal i thought it was some sort of angry flaming rock butterfly i was fighting

[lean relic]

cooked and result is bad

[rich ginkgo]

i was actually shocked when i realized its a woman

and had an important part in the lore

[barren nacelle]

Okay Calamitas' current design is from June 8, 2017 but the 2019 resprite adjusted Shading

[fringe quiver]

Make her seem almost angelic but with something uncanny about her that suggests she's not as benevolent as she seems

[vivid hemlock]

thats not a good mindset

[fringe quiver]

The current design just isn't really very symbolic of her as a character tbh

[cyan panther]

Ah so they should give it boobs then so you can tell it’s female /j

[dusk bronze]

how calamitous

[fringe quiver]

And yeah in terms of cohesiveness it has alot of elements that

[barren nacelle]

Left is 2017 design right is 2019

[fringe quiver]

Don't really go anywhere

[rich ginkgo]

no i was just surprised that thing was human at some point lmao

[pulsar cobalt]

slightly better fire

🔥

[lean relic]

what will happen if i do this but with prov

[vivid hemlock]

just "looking good" doesnt accomplish anything

[barren nacelle]

Looking good and looking cohesive are two very different things

A good design should have both

[cyan panther]

If you stray too far from a design that is seen as definitive when redesigning something people won’t realize it’s the same thing

If it looks too different, it’s not a redesign

It’s a new character loosely inspired by the old one

[fringe quiver]

That's not how it works :D

A character isn't defined purely by their design

[vivid hemlock]

thats the point of redesigns ❤️

[dusk bronze]

bruh

[cyan panther]

Ah so minor tweaks alr

[barren nacelle]

Look at Yharon

Or Old Duke

[vivid hemlock]

look at desert scourge

[barren nacelle]

These characters are getting their entire designs reconstructed

And they're still them

[dusk bronze]

and calclone

and polter

etc

[barren nacelle]

Oh did Calclone get confirmeed?

Peam

[fringe quiver]

I mean is there a need to confirm it, she's an eyeball

😭

[cyan panther]

Redesigns should at least keep something from their original counterparts

Otherwise it will feel wrong

[dusk bronze]

no

bad

[rich ginkgo]

like a while ago

[cyan panther]

Is it still using that one concept art design with like the skull and stuff

[uneven gate]

Eye see you - Calclone during your fight

[fringe quiver]

No

Scrapped

[rich ginkgo]

iirc like 75% of cal bosses are getting resprites

lmao

[fringe quiver]

Years ago scrapped

[dusk bronze]

no

that's fables

[cyan panther]

Damn shame that design looked neat

[cyan panther]

Oh peak

[vivid hemlock]

current desert scourge (left) public pieces of the new design (right)

[fringe quiver]

fables has not confirmed they'll be using that

[flat folio]

I dunno
If that philosophy were followed SCal would still be part metal eyeball
imho it's best that that isn't the case. Leave the dated parts in the past if necessary

[barren nacelle]

This is a very flawed look at it. Redesigns are REdesigning it. Sometimes things will be entirely gutted if they have to. Nostalgia taints and can lead to keeping messy design elements.

[fringe quiver]

me when i spread misinformation online etc etc

Anyways

[barren nacelle]

I LOVE SPREADING MISINFORMATION

[vivid hemlock]

🎉

[barren nacelle]

ROY IS COMING OUT TOMORROW

[cyan panther]

Tbh when I think of desert worm I don’t think Monster Hunter monster

…Also why does it have legs

[dusk bronze]

ik it was updated, i was saying it was taken to fables by iban in 22

[mossy berry]

Emblem Roy?? True

[vivid hemlock]

its not a worm

[barren nacelle]

It's not a worm, just a sand tunneler

[valid crypt]

Because its becoming not a worm but a salamander thing

[rich ginkgo]

because we dont need 20 worm bosses

[barren nacelle]

It's getting reworked entirely to be serpentine but not a worm

[rich ginkgo]

it’s getting limbs because it’s turning into an amphibious reptile

[shut ridge]

yes we do 🥺

[dusk bronze]

it's like a salamander dude now

[valid crypt]

Its getting a redesign so its design changed
Polter is becoming humanoid

[barren nacelle]

Sand worm can be such a boring concept because its been done so much

[pulsar cobalt]

worm boss with a revolutionary five segments

[lean relic]

you have 30 seconds to say dont do it

[cyan panther]

How is this flawed

You keep the parts of the old design that look good and seem like a good fit for the character and change the rest

You don’t completely change the entire design and aesthetic

[pulsar cobalt]

or however many it was

[valid crypt]

Do it

[fringe quiver]

If there are elements from previous iterations that can fit with a redesign, they can be kept, yes. But a redesign shouldn't be limited by what was there. That's. That's the entire point, really - It's a redesign.
A character can very well be fully redesigned and still be recognizable. Because there's more to a character than just their design, and even if Providence were to get redesigned... She'd still be an goddess of ash/fire.

[dusk bronze]

do it

[pulsar cobalt]

sometimes completely changing it is good tho

[cyan panther]

Ew

[pulsar cobalt]

as lucille mentioned

scal

[fringe quiver]

The crystals don't really look good

Or fit her as a character

[dusk bronze]

shut

[fringe quiver]

Well i suppose whether they look good is subjective

[vivid hemlock]

okay youre just trying to get a reaction now

[cyan panther]

No?

[fringe quiver]

But objectively speaking yeah they don't fit her character

[dusk bronze]

change is good

[fringe quiver]

It is true that if elements of a design fit a character they can be kept in a redesign yeah

[cyan panther]

Not when the change is objectively worse sounding then the original

[valid crypt]

Desert scourge will no longer be intended to be a monsterous sand worm thing but an actual animal

[fringe quiver]

????

[rich ginkgo]

are you serious

[fringe quiver]

Dawg what does that even mean

[rich ginkgo]

lmao

[fringe quiver]

Guys worms are objectively better than salamanders

??? 😭

[barren nacelle]

Guys we're falling for 2/10 ragebait

[valid crypt]

You are the first i heard think desert scourge becoming not a worm boss is bad

[rich ginkgo]

no way you’d prefer 300 worm bosses over actually cool and unique boss designs 😭

[cyan panther]

Im not ragebaiting

[viral merlin]

Both are worm ai
I don't care how it looks

[rich ginkgo]

you better be

[barren nacelle]

We have an oldheaded nostalgia rotted contrarian on our hands we're not gonna change their mind 😭

[rich ginkgo]

wtf

[cyan panther]

Never said that

[rich ginkgo]

THIS

[dusk bronze]

you did

[valid crypt]

Desert scourge isnt being made by fabsol

[pulsar cobalt]

they should make it spider ai

[rich ginkgo]

the nostalgia brainrotters

[fringe quiver]

Well new DS is barely even a worm

Like, in terms of AI, i mean

[vivid hemlock]

current polterghast (left) an old, incomplete, iteration of the redesign (first phase) (right)

[fringe quiver]

It has entirely rewritten code

[viral merlin]

Oh
Much wow

[barren nacelle]

"I know what I'll do! I'll go into spoiler chat and complain about not liking the new spoilers!"

[white aurora]

the first boss of the mod wont be a worm boss this is so awesome :3

[rich ginkgo]

“b- but it wont be the same anymore like the og mod!! 🥺” thank god lol

[viral merlin]

Will it crawl on the ground and jump around and shit

[cyan panther]

Ok what the fuck is that thing

I thought Polter is becoming a spider

[dusk bronze]

no???

[rich ginkgo]

yep ragebait

[mossy berry]

I think the crystals providence has are very cool !

[cyan panther]

Not ragebait

[valid crypt]

Theyre cool but badly used imo

[mossy berry]

While I don’t care for the roots part all that much

[vivid hemlock]

i dont know where that spider part came from

[fringe quiver]

Why would my guy be a spider

[valid crypt]

??????

[viral merlin]

Turn polterghast 3D like Mr (Ant)Tenna

[barren nacelle]

I think my guess is they saw some fan design in calart or something

[cyan panther]

I thought at one point it was becoming a spider

Or at least was supposed to be one at some point or is that misinfo

[dusk bronze]

misinformation

[valid crypt]

I think misinfo

[cyan panther]

Oh

[viral merlin]

Desert spider

[dusk bronze]

none of the concept art was ever spider-like

[mossy berry]

I can’t say I can see where the crystals relate to her character besides fire heating things up into glass (which in theory, is kinda cool)

[viral merlin]

The burying type

[fringe quiver]

Heartbreaking, the amalgamated spirit of prison guards and jailed warriors looks like an amalgamated spririt of prison guards and jailed warriors

[mossy berry]

But I would be a little sad if providence lost her cool big gem

[dusk bronze]

crystals represent purity

[valid crypt]

💔

[fringe quiver]

See this is a far more reasonable take than

Whatever is going on up there

[rich ginkgo]

LMAO

[cyan panther]

With that mindset just make Polter Ermac but blue /j

[flat folio]

Wrong!
The Ghost of Plantera

[white aurora]

wawa

[azure oak]

at least crystals have the excuse that ash can be crystalized with heat & pressure

[dusk bronze]

hi lucille

[pulsar cobalt]

id be fine with killing it if it meant all the crystals were killed too