calamity-update-talk

[dusk bronze]

without sustenance

[dull heart]

sorry I already gave you this earlier

[dusk bronze]

ah i must've been asleep

gilded proboscis lasers

[azure oak]

i am becoming die of spoilern't

[dull heart]

you also got

[fathom girder]

We were told roughly 71% of the update was finished last week, which js roughly 13 months total of work since the last update
Using this we can mathematically conclude that the update will release in 5 months with a flex of 100 years in either direction

[lapis oak]

this was not actually a spoiler ☝️ 🤓

[dull heart]

This one

[lapis oak]

not counts by the words of Sunny

[dull heart]

Proof?

[dusk bronze]

source: i said so

[iron dew]

why wait for spoilers when you can make your own fake spoilers (like gauss nuke bow) by yourself

[dull heart]

gauss nuke clock work bow

[pulsar cobalt]

true

[iron dew]

i cant believe i forgot the name of my own creation

[dull heart]

I remember when someone reported me to the devs

for being a rogue dev leaking concepts

(this was two and a half years ago before I was a dev)

(it was my weapon rework mod videos)

[iron dew]

im like gaster but instead of falling into my creation i forget about my creation

[urban cloak]

you can fulfill the prophecy now

[cunning sequoia]

purple DoG

wow!

groundbreaking

[fathom girder]

Our fate is now in your hands, doze

[azure oak]

wow, i dont see how it's different

[fathom girder]

You can be the true rogue dev

[pulsar cobalt]

for example heres a totally real wip screenshot of biofusillades resprite, which will be profaned themed

[cunning sequoia]

into the rogue mines you go

[azure oak]

i am already climbing into my grave as we speak

[dull heart]

Random Google screenshot of dog

[stiff light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O17HhYeem5k

[azure oak]

damn, didn't know DoG was purple

[cunning sequoia]

lost media found!!!!

[azure oak]

(genuinely what's the difference i can't tell)

(please help)

[pulsar cobalt]

i think its a different effect for when he doesnt have contact dmg

[iron dew]

i should finish my fake updated calamity boss healthbar sometime

could be fun

[valid crypt]

finish this and post it to reddit

[cunning sequoia]

you dont even have to claim that its an official sprite, they'll assume it themselves

[fathom girder]

The red nation would explode

[vivid hemlock]

we should start feeding the subreddit more lies

1984 style

[iron dew]

dog is a lot less brighter

[pulsar cobalt]

thats true

ill just title it

"biofusillade"

and nothing else

[valid crypt]

lol

[pulsar cobalt]

pretend to be a rogue dev idk

could be fun

[azure oak]

tell them that this is replacing the yharon resprite

[lapis oak]

HOYLY LAG DURING LASER GRIDS

classic

[dull heart]

no

he always has contact dmg except in the phase transition iirc

[azure oak]

then what is it meant to be

[dull heart]

(in new fight)

it's the same phase

As the screenshot I sent

[azure oak]

are we even allowed to know what the image is supposed to mean

[valid crypt]

tru

[lapis oak]

devourer of rogue devs

[hasty tangle]

@ shade you are in danger

[lapis oak]

Shade getting all the whiplashes as we speak 😢

[azure oak]

i amt die

[uncut briar]

whats the point of vagueposting if u dont get to hold it over people's heads and not tell them what it actually means

[barren nacelle]

I’m curious about the concepts that were scrapped for the SSO

What critters and enemies got the axe

[dusk bronze]

giant clam has 4 scrapped resprites

[plush carbon]

SSO development has been an absolute mess I can't wait for this era to be behind us

[molten grove]

part 2:

[lapis oak]

😨

[azure oak]

part 2 is probably gonna be tackled better than this

[barren nacelle]

No no not like resprites I mean like

[plush carbon]

"probably"

[barren nacelle]

Entire concepts that got shot down

[plush carbon]

Sir Nautilus technically

[molten grove]

true……..

[barren nacelle]

Yeah…

[valid crypt]

all of fables?

[plush carbon]

Sorta

But just looking at SSO here

we were still robbed of Mist Ocean

[raw falcon]

Since main dev dog is going to fucking die, what was he like?

[wide nova]

i wouldnt say sso is all that bad

we’re very active and talk deeply about what were doing and why were doing it

i havent seen many dev teams as active as this one is tbh

[fathom girder]

...what other things have you worked on

[wide nova]

like yea we’ve had our stumps and hurdles but thats just what teams like thjs go through

[wide nova]

you mean projects or things within sso

[fathom girder]

Projects

[raw falcon]

They've been working on a LOT, If i remember correctly shayy stated at one point that the sso changelog is like 6k characters long or something

[wide nova]

its a lot to list

[pulsar cobalt]

cit has posted images of the changelogs character n word count before

[rose laurel]

Very unfortunate wording

[raw falcon]

I was not aware of that actually

[wide nova]

ancients awakened i started at in 2018 thats what rlly brought my tmod music stuff together

then joined mod of redemption and shadows of abaddon

made my own project endless escapade too eventually

i also work with heartlplusup on vanilla calamity music

[rose laurel]

SSO's development hasn't been bad in a "holy shit we're murdering each other" way

[wide nova]

and many other various things its too much to type

[rose laurel]

It's been a "we're figuring out how the fuck to handle this kind of update on the fly" way

[fathom girder]

Ooooo neat

[raw falcon]

Oh nevermind its 21k characters, most likely even more

[wide nova]

eh i think we’ll be fine

its huge but things r slowly coming to place

[raw falcon]

Okay fab is undisputedly a bad team leader, no need to beat a dead horse, but did he seriously not give you like. Any direction on how the update should go beyond 'rework sunken sea', or how is that to be understood?

[wide nova]

its just a lot of content

[rose laurel]

We've always had a direction we wanted it to go towards not because of Fab but it was hard to organize everything and understand how exactly we should work as a team to accomplish such a thing

Basically half of SSO was just figuring out how to organize things and attuning with each other to better work together

It wasn't just making content, it was improving how the team as a whole worked

[boreal edge]

Changelog n-word count is wild

Okay yup it's officially 100k characters larger than Draedon Update

[lyric trellis]

Love fish

[lapis oak]

🫧 🐡

[boreal edge]

Fish kiss

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/800781171138494551/1070671438257848380/speed.gif

[molten grove]

alright i yield
even if draedon changelog was up to modern standards, it would be shorter

[brave star]

But what if fish YURI

[boreal edge]

Even with all the missing stuff that has been added to the changelog over the years

[rose laurel]

Anahita and Leviathan

[boreal edge]

erm

[azure oak]

SSO part 1 has become the calamity update

[brave star]

The most calamitous update

[fathom girder]

Calamity 2

[lean relic]

what a calamity

[brave star]

The next medium update after SSO part 1 should be “How Calamitous”

If that don’t happen, the Clamity economy collapses

[azure oak]

maybe in some aspects, the harvest was not bountiful

[hasty tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-harvest-is-lacking-this-year-harvest-lacking-dog-what-the-dog-doin-gif-21904000

the harvest was bountiful for everything except bosses, really

[azure oak]

bountiful harvest weapons are quite peak

but bountiful harvest hive mind makes me want to introduce my face to a belt grinder

[earnest comet]

incoherent development which needs to be resolved with more focused, smaller updates in the future

calamity hedges on gigantic updates that change a bunch of spread out things a little

[fathom girder]

Huh

[earnest comet]

and adding content all at once throughout the game

[azure oak]

all of the weapon reworks & the hell generation changes couldve been its own mid-sized update

[earnest comet]

the changenotes resemble a constellation chart more than a changelog

[azure oak]

cause this is a lot of reworked stuff and there's definitely more that just hasnt been mentioned yet

[fathom girder]

I think the devs can handle their update schedule better now that they're all working together and not under the cruel hammer of fabsol

[fringe quiver]

tbf sunken sea ovverhaul was scope creeped to oblivion partially due to the fact that developers couldn't really work on what they actually wanted to work on b4

so they just did random stuff they could work on instead

which lead to yk

50000 weapon reworks

[lapis oak]

I know what will be in there

[fathom girder]

This

[earnest comet]

and now everyone has that shit out of their system lol

[fathom girder]

It's not SHIT

It was gonna happen eventually

That's how the creative process goes

From the sound of it, they've definitely figured out a system now

[fringe quiver]

amen

[fathom girder]

And according to them, ozz is a far better team player

[fringe quiver]

upcoming updates will probably be much less scope creeped into oblivion

[dull heart]

As far as I'm aware, fabsol was not behind the sunken sea overhaul being the direction we went in

[earnest comet]

can’t wait for calamity to become compatible with this for whatever ungodly reason

[dull heart]

Yeah

this was a huge part of it

[fringe quiver]

No way

tinkers construct terraria

[azure oak]

cant wait to recreate exo plating alloy in game

[dull heart]

We were not ready to work on SSo

[fathom girder]

Iirc another dev mentioned that he got in the way at times

Could be telephone'd though

[dull heart]

he got in the way of things but did not specifically push something afaik

[earnest comet]

iirc fabsol had a tendency to insist on certain changes, design, mechanics even if they were objectively kinda bad

according to like two people i’ve talked to

[dull heart]

he was much more of a "will just veto ideas" than "will push others to do his thing"

And for changes he wanted, he usually did them himself

[earnest comet]

which is how malice and master death mech bosses became a thing

the great tester wall

[fringe quiver]

Where are you…? Come to my embrace, Sunken Sea Overhaul!

Where… where are… I can hear your voice. Oh, please…

[fringe quiver]

Still pretty unfortunate

[earnest comet]

mf was zanzo

oh

[barren nacelle]

I can’t help but hate Fabsol fym all he did was go “I don’t want this waaa”

[fathom girder]

No no

[lean relic]

i remember its because entire biome having the same color palette is bad and that it needs a rework

[fathom girder]

He also made shitty bosses

[molten grove]

pretty much the catalyst for SSO

wayback
before draedon

[plush carbon]

Catalyst mentioned obligatory gravestone emoji

[molten grove]

[tall viper]

Chat everyone knows all tundra animals are white because of the snow

Hence sso is completely unnecessary

Thank you

[pseudo pine]

what about moose?

[hard copper]

Sunny is reworking the archerfish line too right?

[azure oak]

if it isnt in changelogs, it isnt on here

[lapis oak]

Thosewhonose

[vivid hemlock]

[molten grove]

arsenal weapons:

[lean relic]

💥

[azure oak]

everything present in changelogs about theme is there, and nothing more

except taser i guess i missed that one in the crowd

there we go

[lapis oak]

Current arsenals actually look so alike I thought it's duplicated

[scarlet root]

If I'm not mistaken, there are 4-6 things missing here, but I could be wrong, there really are a lot of them

[azure oak]

which ones

[lapis oak]

Non-changelogs items moment

[scarlet root]

I'm wondering if they're here and I'm just blind

[azure oak]

mentioning which ones you're talking about would help

i'll see if they're in there

[scarlet root]

cup of the blood god and ambergris of leviathan which dashes now make

[tall viper]

Fake animal

[vivid hemlock]

those were just resprites

and not on the changelogs

[scarlet root]

at least they will remake ambra and I have already seen her dash

[azure oak]

chalice is getting changes but it's not a rework

[scarlet root]

but finding it now... will be another challenge...

[azure oak]

and ambergris has not been mentioned in changelogs

[lapis oak]

Not in the changelogs

[dull heart]

Chalice is just getting a UI

[main pivot]

[azure oak]

"cup of the blood god" is also a hilarious way of saying it

[dull heart]

And ambergris is basically just stats and new VFX

I think?

[lapis oak]

Ye

[dull heart]

I haven't actually followed on what ambergris does

[azure oak]

chalice getting resprited into one of those red solo cups

[dull heart]

peak

[lapis oak]

Dash with super fast accel and deccel

The SSO one

[scarlet root]

by the way... I was interested.. it seems like you and Vanillin were online when I sent Yaron.. and I'm wondering if you saved it for yourself?

I don't remember when it was, but it was a long time ago

[brave star]

What will the rage bar look like

[lapis oak]

Who knows

[scarlet root]

,_, why did calamity become so creepy

[lapis oak]

I don't think new Rage and Adrenaline will be in SSO

[cunning sequoia]

cool

[tropic ermine]

imagine if the acc's just "blood in a cup"

[lapis oak]

Prehardmode acc name

Literally

[valid crypt]

this person has not seen nuclear terror

[scarlet root]

I didn't quite understand why this was said

[tropic ermine]

issa joke

[scarlet root]

hah I threw screenshots of him here

[barren nacelle]

Are we not getting the Tier 1 arsenal weapon resprites this update

[vivid hemlock]

we are but the changelog hasnt mentioned it

[vivid hemlock]

and probably wont because of the evil yuh corporation

[tropic ermine]

the aurafarm sword remains

[lean relic]

the wooden sword

[dull heart]

what if there was blood

[lean relic]

the cardboard

[tall viper]

What in the fuck

[hasty tangle]

his mom wouldnt let him have a real sword

[valid crypt]

lol

[tropic ermine]

not to like write dev opinions into law but
what's the status on the tier swaps rn?

[barren nacelle]

Lemme see if I can find the misc accessory resprites Dia made

[valid crypt]

its nuclear terror

[barren nacelle]

Was it Dia?

[vivid hemlock]

yeah

[lapis oak]

Ye

[scarlet root]

nuclear terror as far as i know

[dull heart]

blood

(this is a scrapped concept)

[lapis oak]

Fake spoiler

[tall viper]

They done turned clamty into a horror game dawg

[hasty tangle]

like, extractinating blood-related accs for blood orbs or smth?

[dull heart]

no this was for eternal exchange

my dev accessory

[hasty tangle]

oh

[lapis oak]

No he said Regenator specificially

[valid crypt]

dont worry its just probably an alien parasite egg from the moon using someone as a host

[tropic ermine]

hopefully if this is scrapped we got sth even better lined up

[tall viper]

Oh okay casual

[valid crypt]

those wings looking stuff are its lungs iirc

[dull heart]

This is just a resprite

[vivid hemlock]

you dont have to repost every screenshot you have btw

[azure oak]

that's a resprite, not a rework

[vivid hemlock]

also yeah chalice already got reworked like ages ago

[dull heart]

I do (but I can't)

[lapis oak]

500 dustspam

[scarlet root]

I am the kind of person for whom resprite and rework = the same thing since most often rework was just resprite in my practice

[dull heart]

resprite and rework are not the same

[scarlet root]

I find it a little difficult to perceive this

[lapis oak]

It's not the same

[dull heart]

Rework means it functions different

Resprite means it looks different

[lapis oak]

Those 2 have different meanings

[scarlet root]

I understand, but I'm already used to understanding it this way

[scarlet root]

atk that I can't be fixed

[barren nacelle]

Here they are

[scarlet root]

Yes, and I am from Russia, here we would call it - rebalance or - changes

[lapis oak]

Surely it's not something permanent

[dusty tinsel]

why is aureus naked

[lapis oak]

Perspective can changed

[valid crypt]

getting ready for a shower

[lapis oak]

The way you perceive and understand things can definitely changed

[lean relic]

(That thing is basically aureus walk test)

[tropic ermine]

vro they're gonna kill sg /j

[dull heart]

Nah

[lapis oak]

😨 ❓

[tropic ermine]

hence /j

[dull heart]

slime god will instead have never existed

retroactively deleted from history

[scarlet root]

but still... there are not enough things from the list of reworks here and I would personally add them here but this is just an opinion

[tall viper]

Is this confirmed?

[azure oak]

shouldve never made this image

[lapis oak]

What is Slime God?

[silk terrace]

who's slime god?

[dusty tinsel]

wow this is awesome confirmation

[tropic ermine]

I'm being gaslit help

[dusty tinsel]

it's gaslamp*

[vivid hemlock]

again, only the changelogs are counted

[lapis oak]

Fuc u

[dusty tinsel]

we gaslamp people now

[valid crypt]

Your the snail

[vivid hemlock]

sorry but kiri always loses

[dusty tinsel]

where is slime god

[vivid hemlock]

its written in the law

[silk terrace]

why is slime god

[plush carbon]

I hope Astrum Deus gets changed like entirely

[dull heart]

I'm not sure if any of these things you sent in the second image were Reworked

[valid crypt]

Wha why

[nocturne sonnet]

deus retier based?

[dull heart]

the image only includes reworks

[lapis oak]

This is so ass 🥀

[scarlet root]

to be honest, I'm already getting confused... in the fact that it wasn't me who composed it + it's not my native language... it's complicated...

[silk terrace]

iron boots is the only one, i think. sand cloak got a couple changes but not enough to count as a rework

[dull heart]

It only counts things in #changelogs channel

[azure oak]

because of changing plans n' stuff

[dull heart]

Pretty sure Sand Cloak is a rework now that you mention it

[lapis oak]

The only thing needs to be considered is that they haven't appeared in changelogs yet

[dull heart]

hasn't iron boots?

[scarlet root]

thanks for being a little more specific

[lapis oak]

Old Duke's Scale got reworked

[dull heart]

yeah it has

[silk terrace]

ehhhhh
it's still the same thing, it only got the activation method changed

[lean relic]

freaky cannon

[azure oak]

death

[hard copper]

very magnomolous

[scarlet root]

this is better

[naive ice]

Cok cannon

[vivid hemlock]

these arent even the same thing 😭

one is a gun the other is a mount

[tropic ermine]

deleting in case taken ooc

[naive ice]

Is that a tank

[scarlet root]

No, it's a robot vacuum cleaner.

[high scaffold]

I wonder how it will obtainable

[valid crypt]

reddit would have an uproar if it was shown there

[tropic ermine]

I've made dangerous red nation propaganda

[scarlet root]

most likely it would be cheap in terms of crafting but very fast

[slate folio]

What

[high scaffold]

maybe artemis and apollo since they only have 2 drops idk

[scarlet root]

I think it won't be explained in any way, it will just be written in the description - the dreydon was bored

[scarlet root]

1 imposter...

I think I've been listening to Calamity and Terraria music for the 4th month in a row now, it's a bit too much...

[lapis oak]

wait...

Old Duke's Scale infact did not get reworked in SSO...

I was reading through changelogs and didn't realized that was in 2023...

[spark kiln]

it got reworked ages ago

[lapis oak]

😔

the changelogs was in 2023... and I got mistaken by not reading

it's bleak

[scarlet root]

When was the last major update ever released?...

[hasty tangle]

may of last year

[dusk bronze]

a little over a year ago

[scarlet root]

and what was in this update?

[dusk bronze]

!wiki 2.0.4.001

[mortal sinew]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/2.0.4.001

[dusk bronze]

read up

[spark kiln]

last truly major update was in 2021

unless u count 2.0 as a major update

[lean relic]

The harvest has been bou-
Wait most things that added in BH are gone now aren't it

[spark kiln]

2.0 was in 2022

[hasty tangle]

no?

unless youre referring to boss changes

but BH did so much more than boss changes

[scarlet root]

I see Lucille in the chat and I wonder if there will be a replacement for the god eater in Inferium with a new texture?

[dusty tinsel]

Clearly all of bountiful harvest got reverted it was always just boss content nothing else was added /j

[tropic ermine]

doesn't exist wdym

[spark kiln]

i think the chances are about 0.02%

[dull heart]

I am interested in seeing what infernum does with DS once 2.1 releases

[tall viper]

Harvest staff ❤️ ❤️
I love you ❤️

[dull heart]

but that'll be something that we see in time

[lean relic]

right he is no longer worm

[dull heart]

He is worm

just

[dusty tinsel]

Worms don't have legs

[lean relic]

short right

[dull heart]

Less worm

[dusty tinsel]

Name one worm with legs

[lapis oak]

Sepulcher

[dull heart]

Jeff

[tall viper]

Are millipedes worms

They look like they are

[dusty tinsel]

No those are bugs

[scarlet root]

I spent 600 tries on Devourer of Gods... I like it and I wouldn't want it to change

[lean relic]

lizard

[dusty tinsel]

That's not DS

[scarlet root]

I would gladly order a plush toy in the form of him, 10 meters long

[tall viper]

IM SAYING

[flat folio]

I think there's three options
Either A. the boss just stays how it's always been, old sprite and all, B. it just absorbs the new sprite and doesn't bother to change the AI, or C. it gets a new AI

Wutever the case, I'll get in touch with Javyz about how we wanna proceed when that day arrives where it becomes a concern

[dusty tinsel]

Calling a millipede a worm is not correct though that would be like calling a snake a worm

[dull heart]

B is pretty much not possible

[calm tiger]

isn't a worm literally defined as not having limbs

[dull heart]

unless it rebalances for being like

[lean relic]

worm but it has legs

[dull heart]

Much shorter

[tall viper]

Shhh
Semantically broaden your world view vro...

[dull heart]

probably what, a third of the size?

[dusty tinsel]

I am drop kicking you into the sun

[wide nova]

youre a millipede

[tall viper]

💔

[vivid hemlock]

calling a millipede a worm is like saying a lizard is a shark

[scarlet root]

sorry for putting my ideas in, so to speak, but... it's better not to touch it.. it's perfect and any interference, it seems to me, will kill it or you'll have a lot of work

[dull heart]

Hi

[tall viper]

Scientists on their way to name shit whatever they want off of vibes

[vivid hemlock]

its brown and long so it must be a worm

[flat folio]

Nothing is perfect

[plush carbon]

average tmod player when change happens

[tall viper]

Truth..

[dusty tinsel]

That's a worm though that is impersonating a snake

[vivid hemlock]

change, in MY calamity mod?!?!??!?!?!?!

[scarlet root]

by the way.. I would like to clarify one thing with you in private messages if possible of course

[thick coyote]

Sonic hedgehog protien

[dusty tinsel]

Lizard

[dusty tinsel]

Oh my goodness it's DS irl

[azure oak]

wow, it's desert scourge

[tall viper]

Somebody snail react this individual

[inland lake]

Didn't infernum stop development?

[dusty tinsel]

You are welcome

[tall viper]

Thanks king

[dusty tinsel]

Now I am drop kicking you into the sun

[tall viper]

💔

[dusty tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/tutorial-tutorial-terry-terry-grandma-run-gif-6214318893377313556

[dull heart]

It still ports and bug fixes

DS will entirely break so they'll have to figure something out with the port

[dusty tinsel]

Won't like most of the boss fixes being done break infernum?

In the future

Especially with bosses being potentially moved and what not

[dull heart]

not really

DS specifically will because of the segment and sprite changes

Infernum can just use the same fight but adjust damage and HP for retiers

[tall viper]

Movement would be an issue

[plush carbon]

in cases like Dragonfolly

no they can not

[dusty tinsel]

I mean a bunch of bosses are getting sprite changes

Plus there are the AI changes

[dull heart]

most sprites won't completely change the boss

[plush carbon]

me fighting infernum Perforators post moon lord:

[dull heart]

Infernum overrides base AI

[plush carbon]

(it's underwhelming as fuck suddenly)

[dusty tinsel]

Perforators on their way to be post ML, but still having prehardemode AI

XD

[plush carbon]

yeah you can't just turn a PHM boss into a PML one through stat changes alone

and vise versa

[tall viper]

Nah trust. Trust you can.

It'll be peak just like master mode

[scarlet root]

GOD I want this

[pseudo pine]

Dragonfolly and Evil2 honestly could easily work in flipped places

[pseudo pine]

Master Mode is dogwater in Calamity (i assume this is a joke)

[plush carbon]

Tbh I feel like eventually Infernum will become obsolete as the base mod changes so much

[pseudo pine]

you mean obsolete?

oh wait

[tall viper]

Dragonfolly with prehm movement 🔥 🔥

[pseudo pine]

i saw that before you edited it

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[dusty tinsel]

Infernum when they go we are done and then calamity remakes 90% of their mod

[vivid hemlock]

perforators not having worms anymore in 2 years

[dusty tinsel]

Vanilla will replace Perforator as a boss

[vivid hemlock]

😊

[tropic ermine]

we've found it, we've found the final boss of hating change

[scarlet root]

I don't understand what you're talking about because there are translation difficulties

[dusty tinsel]

Changes to my calamity mod 😡

Obviously we want an outdated mod

[desert path]

simply make every boss into a worm boss, and then double every worm boss that already exists

[dusty tinsel]

Double it and give it to the next person

[tropic ermine]

whatever, go my reskins

[scarlet root]

we need more worms

[vivid hemlock]

no we dont 😭

[scarlet root]

hmm.. it seems to me or the developers of Terraria itself love slugs and the developers of Calamity worms..

[tropic ermine]

what i'm saying is

sorry for putting my ideas in, so to speak, but... it's better not to touch it.. it's perfect and any interference, it seems to me, will kill it or you'll have a lot of work
it's a horrific mentality

[tropic ermine]

WHAT

NAHHH

[scarlet root]

YES

[tropic ermine]

I can't even
...now I've seen it all

[dull heart]

True

[scarlet root]

I think there are 23 or 26 of them in Calamity... even if you count those that have a worm-like structure

[desert path]

Calamity mod but it adds one segement to every worm every 5 seconds

[scarlet root]

hm...

[analog helm]

mod that adds a worm segment to every enemy every 5 seconds

[scarlet root]

this will result in something like this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/1381276135689818224/image0-2.gif

-_-

[desert path]

embed fail

[hard copper]

[analog helm]

image0-2.gif indeed

peak.......

[scarlet root]

best mod for playing with calamity

[flat folio]

Wormlamity

[analog helm]

whatever. Go my aureus worm

[flat folio]

Also YuH jumpscare

[late eagle]

Why the minions aren't a worm😡

[analog helm]

they're in a worm row,,,,

[fringe quiver]

they are

[scarlet root]

I'm waiting for ares in the form of a worm

[analog helm]

mechdusa

[fringe quiver]

does that mean enemy fireballs are also worms

[plush carbon]

hekate

[fringe quiver]

those are also npcs

[scarlet root]

worm-like mechduza.. sounds like a final boss

[dusty tinsel]

blocks become worms

worm guide

wall of flesh worm?

[brave star]

When shayy vanity

[scarlet root]

in fact, the whole world is one solid worm..

[dusty tinsel]

starts mining
the world just up and leaves you in space

[analog helm]

floating island worm

[scarlet root]

I think it's time for the developers of Calamity and Terraria to add a king worm slime where each segment is a separate slime

that would be great

[dusty tinsel]

king worm

[scarlet root]

king slime worm

[brave star]

Supreme high worm

[dusty tinsel]

nah just king worm

[brave star]

MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE

[analog helm]

devourer of uhhhhhh

All of them worms compiled into one

with perferator hive as the head segment

[scarlet root]

I suggest asking Lucille to add all this the whole server

OH.....

[analog helm]

hypnos wormmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

our god and saviour

[scarlet root]

no to hell... that's enough of your calamity for today

[hard copper]

its peak... maybe ill do this while waiting for sso

[analog helm]

pbg worm should be called
Pb&j

[scarlet root]

I won't be able to fall asleep just looking at this now

[brave star]

HOLY FUCK

THE WORM-ENING

[scarlet root]

I just need to talk him into it

[fathom girder]

...him...

[tropic ermine]

it's her
ig translator might mess it up but she's a woman

[dull heart]

yeah I've seen some translators screw up gender sometimes

[tropic ermine]

I do know finnish has only one third-person gender neutral pronoun and no others
they got wokeness built in...

[fathom girder]

Brb canceling Google for having anti gender translations

[tropic ermine]

doesn't google offer you 2 versions for those anyway

[pulsar cobalt]

these damn TRANSLATORS are getting rid of my GENDER

[tropic ermine]

I've used it, I've seen it

they do this

[analog helm]

Finnish people are immune to misgendering............

[scarlet root]

here the problem of accurate translation is already with the translator... he changes the words in places and sometimes even the meaning of the word to its synonym, which is very annoying

[dull heart]

makes sense

[tropic ermine]

they're so real for this ong

[dull heart]

Like Chalice of the Blood God -> Cup of the Blood God

[scarlet root]

yes... in our school they taught the language terribly for the last 6 years of my education and the basics from grades 1-3 are clearly not enough

[analog helm]

Mug of the blood god
with 1# best god written on it

[tropic ermine]

oof, unfortunate

[dull heart]

Wait cook

[scarlet root]

I roughly understand what a person is writing when I translate, but right now I'm sleepy and a little too lazy to think

[tropic ermine]

go off

[white aurora]

GfB chalice

real

[urban cloak]

ravager master mode pet

[dusk bronze]

post this in calval suggs

[tropic ermine]

I need this now

[dusk bronze]

infernal blood resprite+rename

[tropic ermine]

#1 on my wishlist next to calamitas van

DO IT AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[fathom girder]

Bloodstone bitch-getting motorbike is #1 for me

[tropic ermine]

true but that isn't feasible at all idt

[lean relic]

Speaking of blood chalice
Horn of Plenty when

[tropic ermine]

its bitchgetting capabilities are too powerful to be implemented...

[fathom girder]

True, if it's for calamity

[mystic eagle]

Ripoff Ares Worm, what a shame

[fathom girder]

Calamity players are immune to getting bitches

[mystic eagle]

@ hamdad

[fathom girder]

[tropic ermine]

truth thermonuclear bomb

[fathom girder]

That one image of a :3 nuke

[spark kiln]

:3 nule

[white aurora]

nule

[fathom girder]

nule

[tropic ermine]

mule

[vivid hemlock]

🫏

[brave star]

Horse

[proud wind]

hose

[fringe quiver]

is this emoji new

[vivid hemlock]

idk but ive never seen it before

[fringe quiver]

i dont remember there being a donkey emoji...

[analog helm]

found you 😼😼

[proud wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342155249963634708/1386278586411122768/ough.gif

oh fuck

no embed

[analog helm]

ehehehe no embed perms

:ojafyen:

[proud wind]

:oigh:

[dull heart]

Banned

[proud wind]

😔

[lean relic]

You saw the side of him...
Ares is approaching to you in 3

[fringe quiver]

awful

[rose radish]

Now I wonder how Ares looks like from below

[raw falcon]

I am going to bomb ares

[dull heart]

@silk terrace hey I don't think Lucille has done this before

[silk terrace]

true

[dull heart]

Ares dating sim boss fight

[raw falcon]

Make sideways ares real and my life is yours

[silk terrace]

my thanatos baseball bat idea still has promise i think

[dull heart]

only if we get to add auric baseball bat

[raw falcon]

the w h a

[mystic eagle]

Miracle Matter Baseball Bat

[silk terrace]

ares uses thanatos as a baseball bat, A&A are the baseballs

team up attack

[raw falcon]

Can you play baseball with the exo mechs?

[rocky dawn]

scout mains spotted

[mystic eagle]

Can we make Exos do a Chain attack

[raw falcon]

Can we make ares drink bonk

[dull heart]

ares now has photon ripper , done

[mystic eagle]

I meant the Xenoblade 1 Style

[dull heart]

nope too late

[rocky dawn]

The nuke is the “think fast chucklenuts” flashbang

[vestal osprey]

Why does ares here looks like hes about to sing about the mimic, how difficult it was to put the pieces together, how it all went so wrong, and how he cant stop singing this stupid song

[mossy sapphire]

my name is ares

[mystic eagle]

My name is Ares, I made the mimic

[vivid hemlock]

it was difficult to put the pieces together

[analog helm]

But unfortunately, something went so wrong

[lean relic]

any found memory leaks other than abyss wall glow

[somber salmon]

the new profaned guardians resprite having arms is definitely interesting

[spark kiln]

pictures?

[shell sapphire]

[dusty tinsel]

What in the heck

What is that

[arctic cliff]

khamugelion

[valid crypt]

I think an evangelion thing
Same thing the danger shape is from i think

[hard copper]

ramiel my beloved... would be funny if profaned healer was just ramiel

but orange ofc

[fringe quiver]

RAHHH I LOVE SACHIEL RAHH

[fringe quiver]

mmm spoiler chat is deceased

unfortunate

[valid crypt]

Spoiler
Cheese is being removed from calamity

[fringe quiver]

Literally untrue... fake and false

[dusk bronze]

literally true... real and correct

[valid crypt]

Theyre removing the calamitas npc and the chease cat npc name

[hard copper]

they should add skyrim cheese wheel

[fringe quiver]

nuh uh

[wicked temple]

post spoilers

[brave star]

Spoilers

[fringe quiver]

true!

developers get to the mines

[wicked temple]

poil everything

[dull heart]

No

[wicked temple]

yes

[brave star]

yes

plz poil

or u boil

[wide nova]

[wicked temple]

🐇

[fringe quiver]

the economy is crumbling

[dusk bronze]

the spoiler market is crashing

[brave star]

p bnuy

[wicked temple]

p

[brave star]

hru outside of spoiler economy

[wicked temple]

gudd

[brave star]

samee

[cunning sequoia]

feacher

[wicked temple]

coming straight from YOUR house

[cunning sequoia]

COMING

[dusk bronze]

the king of only

[cunning sequoia]

COMING

[wicked temple]

hes groovy

and never glooby

[plush carbon]

You can’t get this from an egg!

[wicked temple]

@cunning sequoia explain this person’s pfp

[cunning sequoia]

star walker

[brave star]

Garbo the poly lover

whos that on the left if p is on the right

[cunning sequoia]

cheese

[brave star]

the first calamitous poly

[trail oriole]

they do?

show me these resprites!

[dusk bronze]

probably the old cmihaii fanart that people think is official concept art

(including me i thought that )

[vivid hemlock]

nope

triangle only like said the angels were gonna be refs for his guardians redesigns

[trail oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/519146195256344587/1388704366453592224/7.gif

the angels have other EPIC designs thoguh

[dusk bronze]

what are the angels

[vivid hemlock]

ramiel my beloved

[trail oriole]

idk im not a dev so illl see whats getting cooked up when it gets to that point

[plush carbon]

zagzagel has a cool name so i like them

[plush carbon]

Oh you mean evangelion angels

[wicked temple]

evangelion is the only reference u will ever need fr

[plush carbon]

kirby

[wicked temple]

there r 2 references u might need

[lavish otter]

Wasn't there one that was a giant black ball with a ✨fractal noise✨ texture on it?

[lavish otter]

Oh! Lelial, that's a neat name

[trail oriole]

i do NOT remember sahaquel being that big

[lavish otter]

I love the one that's just a ring of X's-
Just by design alone, Armisael might have to take the spot as my favorite

[fringe quiver]

Oh you chose the pregnancy demon

[wicked temple]

ejiejrhtu thats one thing u could call it for sure

[pulsar cobalt]

h u h .

[vivid hemlock]

banning cheese for this

[fringe quiver]

Literally what it is

[thick coyote]

as someone who knows nothing about that show/movie/whatever it is other than that the ending is controversial

this is so confusing

[fringe quiver]

Literally what it is.

[thick coyote]

i just mean the whole thing

not jsut what you said

[fringe quiver]

well they're angels

[hard copper]

Yeah its a bit sacrilegious

[jovial tusk]

E M E M E M E M—

[terse dew]

Eminem

[barren nacelle]

Pregnancy demon… what does that remind me of

maybe a bossom demon

[vast ferry]

that fat fucking mancubus from doom, that's what

[agile latch]

Yea

They are really diverse

[agile latch]

It was the satelite one..

Its main attack method was falling into earth and destroying japan with the contact

(Chungus guy)

[trail oriole]

yaya i remember it now

it just took me offgaurd

[agile latch]

Sahaquiel is one of the ones i would use as a ref (mostly for defender guardian)

[trail oriole]

cause i remember the eye being the same size ish as the evas

[agile latch]

Big hands.. that could fuse into a shield when it cross its hands together

There is not a sahaquiel gif..

[agile latch]

They are the size of his iris..

[trail oriole]

creeepyy

[agile latch]

Isnt his name zeruel

Or is that like a translation thing..

Its zeruel yea

Epic image fail

I think its missing the volcano guy

[barren nacelle]

when im in a doing nothing competition and my opponent is Gaghiel

[agile latch]

Sandalphon yea

[fringe quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-mad-laugh-maniacal-laugh-killer-joke-gif-26635796

its not real. its not real. its not real. its n

also dont diss my boy gaghiel

hes awesome. hes a fish.

[trail oriole]

aha maybe aha maybe

[dusk bronze]

spoiler??????

/j

[trail oriole]

nah

triangle has some cooler ideas

[uncut briar]

ramiel is the goat

[fringe quiver]

cool design doe... the current guardians could def use having more personality and distinctive traits between them

i have faith in triangle...

[dusk bronze]

triangle save the guardians...

[fringe quiver]

The current guardian designs aren't really bad but they feel very indistinct to me

[dusk bronze]

i mean

[fringe quiver]

Likeee they don't really feel much as a trio of individual bosses as much as they just feel like i dunno, a particularly tough enemy

[dusk bronze]

there's a reason profaned donut is the only food item in the mod

they look like donuts

[fringe quiver]

That's the old sprite

They don't look like donuts anymore

[dusk bronze]

i forgor they got resprited
chat am i cooked

[dull heart]

yes

[fringe quiver]

you're washed...

[dusk bronze]

[fathom girder]

It's hard to make a sentient pile of floating rocks look cool

[fringe quiver]

I mean that has nothing to do with what i asid

[fathom girder]

It does though

The profaned guardians are floating rock things

It's hard to design floating rock things

[arctic cliff]

im just gonna post this image so people can refer to it

[fringe quiver]

I mean that's still not what i said
I didn't say the design is bad i just asid they're very indistinct from eachother, they don't have much personality

[fathom girder]

I didn't say they were bad either

I said they're floating rocks

And it's hard to design floating rocks

Makes sense that they're so similar

[fringe quiver]

I mean them being rocks or not dosen't really have to do with it imo

You can still have them having different silhouettes and such

[arctic cliff]

either way tho i think they ought not to be identical aside from very slight detail changes

it'd be way more interesting if they were, like, very distinct

[dusk bronze]

lol pokeball head (i'm so original)

[fathom girder]

Rral

[fringe quiver]

Also what's up with providence and the guardians all looking like they have like a pelvis

[arctic cliff]

Unironically, you could replace them with Altraxia's pre-ascension designs and they'd probably look better

[agile latch]

They will be really distinct

[dusk bronze]

W

[fringe quiver]

Like what's up with that

[arctic cliff]

yeah wth

they all have these pelvis things

[fringe quiver]

They all look like they were supposed to be like humanoid but their arms and legs were ripped out, judging by the shape of the torso and the weird pelvis

[arctic cliff]

mind you, this doesnt look terrible, its just funny that they seemingly have visible pelvis

[lyric trellis]

Rocks and roots

[fathom girder]

Cultists of providence probably got purified and turned into those things

[agile latch]

They are just mini providence thingamajimbos

[fathom girder]

little creachurs...

[agile latch]

Not much tought on the design besides that

[fringe quiver]

Yeah the guardians are basically just mini providence designwise

[dusk bronze]

that's not what the guardians are

[agile latch]

They dont really tell their role well either

You cant tell which is which

[dusk bronze]

the guardians are provi's friends from their former adventuring party

[viral merlin]

Triangl... Sea angels for sunken sea

[fringe quiver]

Commander has a little stabby knife on its chest, i guess. Defender has a shield crest on its chest. Healer has. crystals. i guess.

[agile latch]

Do you know who looks humanoid besides a weird pelvis and not having arms/ legs

Providence

[agile latch]

That will be for the abyss

[fringe quiver]

Yeah all of them have that same bodyplan with the weird pelvis

[fathom girder]

What kinda dude has a chest that large

[agile latch]

Abyss parents of the searslugs and slugbuns

[viral merlin]

Holy shit!!!

[dusk bronze]

yoooo new spoiler

[viral merlin]

Sea angels in abyss

[vivid hemlock]

🥹

[viral merlin]

That's actually huge news i love sea angels

[fringe quiver]

You can barely even tell commander has the stabby knive thing because it blends so well with its own palette

[viral merlin]

Would be cool if providence looked more comprehensible

[vivid hemlock]

i was just about to say that

[dusk bronze]

i thought the horrors were supposed to be incomprehensible

[rose laurel]

Bro where the fuck is the 8th Angel in that image

[vivid hemlock]

providence has an issue where a lot of the body just melds together and you cant tell what certain parts of the sprite are unless you look way closer

[viral merlin]

The horror part of her is that she is a massive flying boulder

[dusk bronze]

make noxus that one ai image that looks normal but none of the specific objects are actually real

[rose laurel]

The more I think about Providence the less I like her current design

[viral merlin]

Start thinking about her more often so we have a chance to see new her

😼

[vivid hemlock]

truth nuke

[orchid finch]

It unfortunately takes more than a lore person to come up with a coherent boss design that everyone would agree with

[viral merlin]

True

[late eagle]

Make a new one easy

[dull heart]

recolored eol

[orchid finch]

[late eagle]

But seriously, it would be really cool to see a new design for Providence in this non fabsolian era

[dull heart]

the main issue provi has is no contrast or readability for the main body

[orchid finch]

Also a valid thought is Becca herself becomes the new Providence

[lyric trellis]

The amount of people misreading where her eyes are on the design is probably more than people who know where her eyes actually are

[late eagle]

I had the same problem the first time haha

[dull heart]

I genuinely don't see her fact as her face

Not the eyes but I see a huge bottom jaw

I see this as a bottom jaw every time

[earnest comet]

is her head not basically just kulve taroth

but with antlers

[dull heart]

I just googled this

I have no idea what you're seeing

[lyric trellis]

Didn’t even realize she’s supposed to have Antlers until just now

Why is her head so tiny

[pearl sentinel]

wtf i didnt ever realize there was a difference between the three 😭

[dull heart]

the healer has crystals...

Healer's pretty distinct, but the other two are so close

[vivid hemlock]

the only way to tell what part her head actually is... is by looking at the boss icon

[pearl sentinel]

out of the issues with provis design

that isnt one of them to me

its always been easy for me to tell where her head is

[dull heart]

no

The boss icon makes it worse imo

Until literally right now it has always read to me as not her head but

This for some reason

it probably should just focus on the head without antlers

Would help it a lot

[lyric trellis]

Same

[barren nacelle]

Her sprite just feels antiquated

its not bad but it just feels dated

[dull heart]

I literally did not know it was her head until two minutes ago

[lyric trellis]

Didn’t know it was supposed to be that until rn too 😭

[dull heart]

yeah

[vivid hemlock]

even more evidence for the sprite being a mess

[dull heart]

Reminds me

[barren nacelle]

It took me years until i saw her on the artwork for i think it was one of the preludes

[vivid hemlock]

interlude 2 i think

[dull heart]

I need to make DoG phase one map stuff

bye

[barren nacelle]

she needs a resprite, hell the entire profaned aesthetic / theme does

But its so arduous

thats something you dedicate a whole content upsate to

[rich ginkgo]

i always thought those rings on the side of her or whatever were nostrils/eyes

😭

but until i saw actual art of her i realized the top bit is her head it just looks absolutely nothing like what it’s supposed to be compared to her design

[vivid hemlock]

i had the exact same thought until a year ago

[rich ginkgo]

she’s just really unreadable i guess lmao

her head is tiny compared to the rest of her sprite for some reason

[lyric trellis]

Love when artwork takes some creative liberties (or just uses an entirely different design) when translating a sprite to “3d” so it’s actually readable

[rich ginkgo]

agreed

she looks badass in a lot of artwork

[vivid hemlock]

love how theres like 20 things going on in the design that just dont mean anything

[lyric trellis]

Could’ve just put a giant red circle to save time

[vivid hemlock]

true

[desert path]

idk why but this artwork makes me think of Lavos from Chrono Trigger

[cobalt wharf]

but when ares does this it’s flirting

cyclops ares my beloved

[lyric trellis]

The difference is that Cyclops Ares is the best yes

[boreal edge]

No Goku

[fringe quiver]

Wait how is he read as a cyclips

Cyclops

Genuine question i don't see it

[lyric trellis]

Something wicked

[rich ginkgo]

i just see him as a samurai

[rich ginkgo]

lol

[fringe quiver]

I can see the samurai read yeah

He kind of has that kabuto helm vibe going on

[rich ginkgo]

yeah the headgear is cool

[lyric trellis]

The big rainbow circle in the middle that takes up as much space as the actual face (and his face is way darker in-game so you barely see it compared to the crystal “eye”)

[pulsar crow]

Also on some resolutions the head appears off screen so you can't even see it

[lyric trellis]

Also that, your focus is just never on the actual face really

[rich ginkgo]

dude has insane cheekbones ngl

but yeah i see how the giant rainbow sphere could come off as an eye

[fringe quiver]

Ohh i see

makes sense yea

[agile latch]

that is intentional

gundan

[rich ginkgo]

id hope it be intentional

im not sure how you accidentally make a mech samurai

lol

[hard copper]

draedon is a gundam fan

[cobalt wharf]

also if you’re in a smaller resolution the head just will be offscreen

[lyric trellis]

Snail

[cobalt wharf]

nuh uh

[summer shore]

Don't get rid of the antlers wtf

[summer shore]

Also I feel like that's a you issue, the map icon doesn't even have the crystals on the shoulders

[torn kite]

I like to think that's the skull is for the fear factor and his actual "face" is the eye in the middle
Kinda like a butterfly

[summer shore]

It's not even that small it's like proportionally a little smaller

Her head compared to her torso is about as big as a human's head compared to a human torso

[summer shore]

This is such a crazy statement like wdym don't mean anything

It's clearly supposed to be an armored humanoid limbless torso and head

the head looks like a helmet with decorative antlers
the shoulders look like spiked pauldrons
the part between the head and torso looks like collar armor like the image
the torso literally has ribs and a pelvis (to sell the humanoid aspect)
the roots sticking out are part of her massive wings

How you look at all that and say "don't mean anything"

That's insane

People just be saying anything about her man she's a really good design

[terse dew]

I understand this reference

[summer shore]

it's him

[dusty tinsel]

The orb in the center of its chest lol

When it was revealed as just the silhouettes I thought it had one eye lol

[tropic ermine]

^^^

as charitable as I can say it, her and the guardians is just kind of a winged mass of crystal root and rock

it'd be really nice for her to have a more defined shape and concept beyond that

but they say it's too big to resprite now, oh well

[misty wren]

not necessarily too big for a resprite but big enough that the priority of her getting a resprite is really low on the list of resprite priority

[tropic ermine]

oh ok that's not "never" at least

as I was led to believe

just in the year 2100

[misty wren]

its not "never" and more of "whenever a dev feels like it"

[mossy berry]

I personally really love providence's design

[misty wren]

thats also the reason leviathan probably isnt getting a resprite because holy shit that sprite is massive

plus the inevitable animation hell

[tropic ermine]

yeahhh considering how long just yharon's resprite has been cooking

fair enough

there's so many scrapped versions of it

[misty wren]

tbf yharons has also been passed around between like 7 or 8 different spriters plus its covered in feathers which are notoriously hard to animate

[rose laurel]

Providence's design isn't like, horrible, however it has too many concepts fighting for space and isn't very readable

I don't think she needs a redesign, just a cleanup

[mossy berry]

I'd be glad with some touchups

I am a huge fan of the giant flame wings and the big crystal

I want the crystal as a necklace so bad

[misty wren]

it tries to do too much at the same time

[rose laurel]

As Alt said I think everything relating to the rock part of the design is amazing and fits Providence perfectly, it just needs to be a tad more readable

The wings are just Good

[misty wren]

the roots need to go

[rose laurel]

And everything else is meh

[misty wren]

maybe im biased but crystal or rock formations look so much cooler than roots

[tropic ermine]

the roots are the lamest part agreed

yeah I'm good with keeping the wings, crystal and maybe rock
really think the overall shape has to be changed a fair bit imo

[misty wren]

not really

[arctic cliff]

it WOULD be if you could easily tell apart what these were

but the fact that someone HAS to point it out for me is uh

yea

[rose laurel]

I don't think Providence's general shape has to be changed whatsoever

[misty wren]

the biggest change i would make to the shape is just making the distinction between the head and body bigger

[tropic ermine]

it took me until this that I understood wth the body looks like

[misty wren]

it also helps seeing it animated

[arctic cliff]

its cool and all but because i legit cannot tell part the details because they're all samey, it's always been way easier for me to just repicture providence in my mind differently

[misty wren]

the animations do wonders for picking out individual parts

[summer shore]

What do you even see

Like I don't think there's much variance in what someone could see in it

[misty wren]

blob of rock with fire wings and a couple crystals

[summer shore]

I don't think I'm particularly cracked at picking out details and figuring out what it's supposed to be

[summer shore]

That's a simplification

I'm asking

[misty wren]

which is a very common simplification because thats what a lot of people see it as

[summer shore]

When you look at providence's head what do you think it's supposed to be?

[tropic ermine]

now that I've had another look up close eaugh wtf are the roots in the wings for

[rose laurel]

I really do think Providence's design is hard to read

[tropic ermine]

just make pure fire wings

[misty wren]

the parts are readable individually sure but what matters isnt individual readability

[dull schooner]

Minecraft fire particles 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[summer shore]

Ok so how is it unreadable together

[misty wren]

what matters is that the design as a whole, with everything together, is not readable

it all blends together

[summer shore]

Blends in terms of what

[tropic ermine]

^^^

[misty wren]

the rock and the roots and crystals all look like they're the same thing

[rose laurel]

I don't even know how to explain how exactly I feel about Providence's design readability because it really just boils down to "It's hard to see what's being portrayed until you really look into it"

[summer shore]

See here they're pretty clearly separated in parts