#calamity-update-talk

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lapis oak
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Doze's mod

misty wren
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pretty sure yuh used its code for tenryu movement

brave star
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Also when would NT do the stick bug dance ingame

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If it was implemented

fringe quiver
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Nono don't get me wrong i definitely don't think it should be and i do really like Old Duke, specially due to its narrative role, much more as the post ml sulph sea boss
I just think that while NT had like literally no way of being the post ml sulph sea boss in its previous incarnation this new one is in a spot where i definitely think it'd be a much more reasonable choice if it somehow was

buoyant pulsar
fringe quiver
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Like i think old duke is better for it but this new design definitely would've had better chances

misty wren
rose laurel
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I could see it

buoyant pulsar
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heartwarming 💖

lapis oak
buoyant pulsar
scarlet root
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ok I hope that the new nuclear terror will be received as warmly in the community as the current one and I will go do something while there is time good luck to everyone

lapis oak
rose laurel
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It's really funny to me to see how people's opinion changed on Old Duke ngl 😭

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Triangle did God's work

brave star
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I love triangle’s OD

fringe quiver
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Even if we aren't using Triangle's design anymore

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The redesign he made and the lore we got on OD singlehandedly saved the guy's reputation

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😭

scarlet root
fringe quiver
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(Atleast for a good chunk of the community, anyawys)

rose laurel
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Honestly I'm just glad that now with Fabsol truly gone

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Old Duke is free from his shackles

brave star
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Free my boi

scarlet root
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fabsol slowed down the creation of the update?

fringe quiver
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I CAN FINALLY NOT BE A FUCKING BOAR

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misty wren
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i hate old duke as a matter of principle

rose laurel
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No I mean like

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People hate Old Duke because Fabsol basically strong-armed the guy into the Mod

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He's gone now

grave geyser
misty wren
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this is true

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i hate him as a matter of principle

grave geyser
lean relic
scarlet root
grave geyser
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the average player probably barely knows who fab is let alone how od got in

misty wren
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if there are 100000 old duke haters, im one of them
if there are 1000 old duke haters, im one of them
if there are 10 old duke haters, im one of them
if theres 1 old duke hater, its me
if there are 0 old duke haters, then i am dead

grave geyser
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(ok maybe more than barely knows given recent events)

rose laurel
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Old Duke imo is one of the best Fab Bosses but people never really saw that because they had a tremendous hate boner over the guy, and also because people can't handle predictive dashes

bronze raven
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was old duke suppose to be a scrapped boss

misty wren
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no

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old duke was initially supposed to just be sulphur sea duke fishron that dropped 3 bags

fringe quiver
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old duke was just sorta put into the game randomly by fabsol without much if any discussion with the other devs iirc

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and i believe after the team had already come to the current agreement that hte mod has enough bosses

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don't 100% quote me on the specifics of that but it's sort of the general gist of it

grave geyser
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you can tell because release old duke put release malice to shame

terse dew
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we are missing the fogbound 2 boss

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Otherwise

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Cheese is mostly correct

lean relic
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old duke no more
return to ashes

brave star
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If old duke gets replaced by a new boss in sulfur seas, can old duke be an April fools exclusive boss

hard copper
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I like the old duke fight; the tooth balls, predictive dashes, and vortex things are all cool, its just the fact thats its sprite and name is pretty much duke fishron that irks me.

rose laurel
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Old Duke was the one Boss who could ever be added outside of the final three btw

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Like

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Ok

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Yeah

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That's a really damn good place to put a Boss

hazy quest
grave geyser
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post dog :(

grave geyser
hazy quest
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Oh yeah

rose laurel
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No guys we aren't removing OD

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We think he fills a very good spot in the game

scarlet root
grave geyser
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I am getting imense deja vu all of a sudden

lean relic
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we replacing him completely

lean relic
hazy quest
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I mean I also remember hearing how the devs wanted to like completely retheme OD or something

fringe quiver
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That sprite is scrapped yeah

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There's gonna be a new redesign we haven't seen yet

scarlet root
still bluff
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DoG to Yharhar could do with a "filler" boss, though it's not really needed especially with distortion in the distant future
i don't think anywhere else can fit another one though lol

brave star
hard copper
grave geyser
lean relic
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CAL DEVS! MAKE DOG ONLY CAL WORM BOSS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

silk terrace
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the sprite was about as much as fab would allow old duke to be changed

with him gone, the team wants to fish of theseus him and do a total redesign

rose laurel
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:3

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Anyways

fringe quiver
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older duke

azure oak
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Thanatos gets a pass for being a worm

scarlet root
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he's really cute

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azure oak
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It could definitely be more unique, but it gets a pass

brave star
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Oldest duke

silk terrace
hard copper
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signus retier?

still bluff
fringe quiver
still bluff
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and makes post provi not oversaturated

hazy quest
scarlet root
still bluff
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i wouldn't add something completely new to pre prov atm

grave geyser
arctic cliff
rose laurel
hazy quest
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Since it'll be an explorable dimension

lyric trellis
arctic cliff
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and you cannot stop him

fringe quiver
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I just imagine its like a new event or miniboss or any other sort of combat adjacent content that isn't a boss but

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y'know yeah

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primordial wyrm exists, i could see that

still bluff
fringe quiver
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its not really a new boss

arctic cliff
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just make him an actually good boss

rose laurel
fringe quiver
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yeah it'd just be changing his tier in progression and making him like an actual boss fight and not

whatever it is right now

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i can see that

grave geyser
rose laurel
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Honestly the one thing I never understood was people not liking Wyrms being oofshoots because "it makes them less interesting"

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MY BROTHER IN CHRIST

grave geyser
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(pw is totally a worm trust)

rose laurel
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REAPER SHARK AND COLOSSAL SQUID ARE RIGHT THERE

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😭

lyric trellis
rose laurel
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THEY ARE NORMAL ASS EXTREMELLY POWERFUL ANIMALS

silk terrace
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i just want halibut cannon to be pre-yharon so people complain about it

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i think it'd be funny

lean relic
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i love them because of roar sound

lapis oak
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unexplained mysterious jacked up worm in the depth of the sea

fringe quiver
lyric trellis
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Halibut cannon moved back to pre-boss

misty wren
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i want halibut cannon to be unnerfed and preboss again

fringe quiver
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wyrms kind of have a more alien fucked up aura to them

lapis oak
silk terrace
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no

lapis oak
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🫠

rose laurel
fringe quiver
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Unfortunately.

rose laurel
misty wren
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i have so many ideas floating around in my brain hole to suggest but i already have 2 in voting

lyric trellis
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Colossal brain suckler

rose laurel
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And PW never would've worked

fringe quiver
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I always thought wyrms would be cool as something entirely alien and cryptic down in the abyss, cryptid type stuff

rose laurel
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Like

grave geyser
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clearly the solution is to make wyrms the precursors to dragons

still bluff
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wyrms are actually yharon x DoG

grave geyser
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instead of an offshoot

fringe quiver
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Them just being regular ass animals would actually suck though ea

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yea

misty wren
silk terrace
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insider info: the other devs didn't like my idea to turn cultist archer into a boss with lunatic cultist attacks

brave star
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Is the pinkeye trout and KILLER polyp going to return?

hard copper
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yhogurt

still bluff
brave star
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(Scrapped enemies for abyss)

fringe quiver
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i don't particularly dislike them being draconic offshoots but i can see the argument that something more interesting could've been done with them

lapis oak
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Wyrm should be much rarer and be unexplainable mysterious af thing 🫠

still bluff
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it's ok, this idea is avaliable to put into an addon!

rose laurel
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"Oh yeah there's a completely normal animal at the depths of the ocean who when adult becomes as powerful as SCal and Exos lol no biggie clueless"

silk terrace
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cultist archer but it fires the multiplayer hell lightning

fringe quiver
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Thing is i don't know how to execute said more interesting thing myself

rose laurel
lapis oak
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then make an entirely new offshoot enemy down there

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ultimatesmug ?

buoyant pulsar
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is this a meme

still bluff
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no it's real

lyric trellis
hard copper
buoyant pulsar
scarlet root
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damn.. i want to invite a friend to calamity when the new update comes out but i'm a little sad at the thought that he won't see some things like the old nuclear terror because of the resprite and redesign... although maybe it's for the best..

rose laurel
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That's not coming in SSO don't worry

serene parrot
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will the lazhar still be getting the axe?

silk terrace
silk terrace
misty wren
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i will always miss you lazhar

serene parrot
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fiddlesticks

lilac robin
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does anyone know when new upd comes?

misty wren
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no

silk terrace
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pins

rose laurel
azure oak
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19 fargo weeks

buoyant pulsar
grave geyser
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maybe 2 if you stretch

lilac robin
fringe quiver
silk terrace
lapis oak
fringe quiver
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Primordial Wyrm being as strong as it is and just being a Guy, whether unexplained or natural

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would just be Yea

lapis oak
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that sounds nice

buoyant pulsar
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hi sunny :3 did you finish the scorched earth rework :33

fringe quiver
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like yes having cryptic mysterious stuff is cool but

grave geyser
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I'm mostly thinking of the lightning dash
is it super unique? no
but the combo is at least decently threatening without feeling blatently unfair

fringe quiver
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When you reach the point where said cryptic mysterious thing is as strong as the narrative's strongest character and also has like barely any plot relevance its kind of just

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Lol ?

scarlet root
rose laurel
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It literally only worked because the story was broken

silk terrace
serene parrot
fringe quiver
silk terrace
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it's like 75% done

probably
unless i decide i don't like it and start from scratch

buoyant pulsar
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gyuh

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whatever you do will be peak

hard copper
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Due to its name and proximity to terminus could primordial wyrm and just wyrms in general be attuned to or affected by xeroc in a way? That would explain why its so OP

serene parrot
fringe quiver
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Likeee, in lord of the rings theres these unnamed horrifying horrible horrors that live under the earth that even one of the main, strongest villains and gandalf are scared of

buoyant pulsar
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:(

fringe quiver
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They have like

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no plot relevance at all and are only mentioned like, once, i think

lapis oak
fringe quiver
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But it is the sort of fucked up scary stuff that i think works well

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(Note ive never read or watched lord of the rings)

misty wren
rose laurel
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It's literally kinda like saying "hell exists right beneath our feet"

misty wren
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because those do have plot relevance

fringe quiver
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Yeah in that case it actually works pretty well i think

fringe quiver
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things under the earth

buoyant pulsar
fringe quiver
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whatever they're called

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But with the way calamity is written i think that sort of thing would not work at all

rose laurel
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Also I also think people don't understand what makes Eidolon Wyrms mysterious and cool and that can still be accomplished with them being Offshoots

buoyant pulsar
rose laurel
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Yes

rose laurel
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The only information we have

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They are Offshoots

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Of who?

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How did they go down into the Abyss?

fringe quiver
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I think not enough of a focus is put in the mystery

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Maybe?

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Like, we don't really know the source of most other offshoots, i don't think

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So it's not like htat's exclusive to em either

misty wren
fringe quiver
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And how they got down in the abyss also dosen't feel like a particularly interesting mystery to me because like

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Several other organisms get down there

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It's not really anything special

misty wren
fringe quiver
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Like by all means these are Mysteries

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They're just, not very interesting ones to me?

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I think if you want to keep the mysterious energy of the wyrms

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a bigger focus should be put on it

hard copper
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If the offshoots were hunted then it would make sense for them to hide in abyss

fringe quiver
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Which, yeah

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I think that can work

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Even with them being offshoots

rose laurel
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Yes, that's where I was gonna get at I was looking at something Cei sent me

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You know why Wyrms were kinda interesting in old lore?

misty wren
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because nobody knows how the FUCK cultist could turn into one of those

rose laurel
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Because they had ties with the Cultists that went entirely unexplained and piggybacked off Ghost Leviathan's design

fringe quiver
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Wyrms were kinda interesting because they only real lore we had on them was vaguely implied through visuals with the eidolists seemingly being cultists turning into them for unknown reasons and with unknown methods and the fact they dropped ectoplasm kinda hinted at them being more paranormal in nature

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Which yyeah

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was entiely piggybacked of ghost leviathan (ectoplasnm... ghost.. duh)

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Not saying it was well executed

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it wasnt

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Old lore definitely didn't do it particularly well or anything it's just that it was a concept that could've been made good

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I think the sort of,

arctic cliff
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can the eidolon wyrms look like sea snakes?
from what I recall, snakes are shockingly common basises for dragons. And, believe it or not, there are literally sea snakes.
Sea snakes are, oddly enough, very underutilized as the basis for monsters. Wouldn’t it be neat if we had the eidolon wyrms be giant sea snakes?

fringe quiver
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vague implications through context clues of weird fucked up phenomenons surrounding the wyrms

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is what was really interesting about them

misty wren
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old lore was the writing equivalent of potential man

fringe quiver
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which is to some extent lost in the new lore i feel because

rose laurel
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Essentially my point is that the reason Wyrms right now don't feel interesting is because they have no real ties to anything and their origin is explained. It doesn't feel like there's anything more to them

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If the cultist/wyrm tie was severed, the same thing would have happened

misty wren
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they're just kinda there

fringe quiver
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we have a very clear explanation from the getgo for why eidolists want to turn into wyrms i feel, they were dragon cultists and they sought a new master, with all the dragons dead they go for wyrms

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i think that sort of mystery can be brought back

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its just not there rn

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I do think the abyss could definitely use that sort of thing

arctic cliff
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That could be an interesting point of interest

fringe quiver
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Could be yeah

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See with that you could sort of lean a bit into wyrm's being fucked up and weird

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I think really that's what needs to be done the most

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Leaning onto that aspect

arctic cliff
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perhaps mysteries can be better rooted if you note that something is genuinely off about something

rose laurel
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And yeah, I think what sorely lacks on them is presentation

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The same goes for

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All of the Abyss

arctic cliff
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draetalk through the codebreaker does an interesting job at pointing out inconsistencies in the world, and still leaves some of them as mysteries

rose laurel
fringe quiver
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Wyrms don't feel particularly more weird than other offshoots but

arctic cliff
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even though I wouldn’t be surprised if half of said mysteries were planned to be revealed later on

fringe quiver
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There's stuff you could lean onto there that would make them feel weird

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  1. They're comically powerful even for offshoot standards. Like these are a entire species of offshoots
rose laurel
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Yeah, just can't do it now because that'd demand a resprite and a rework

fringe quiver
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that is stronger than most auric dragons

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Like. what the fuck/

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Sure. you have like. Old duke. Mhm. Yup

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But that's like

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one guy

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and he's one of the oldest

arctic cliff
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design wise, I think they fail because they ultimately still look absurdly alien and extremely hard to tell what they’re even supposed to be

fringe quiver
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Dragonfolly sorta breaks this but 1. I believe the one we fight is also meant to be like the strongest one 2. If the boss move happens this is entirely out of the window and makes this work so much better

rose laurel
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Dragonfolly is more of an inconsistency if anything

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I really don't want it to be that strong

arctic cliff
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if you didn’t get outright told in the bestiary entry that they’re draconic offshoots, only their funny name would be ANY indication that the Eidolon Wyrms are dragons

rose laurel
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On the Abyss topic I've had a really funny thing in mind

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Where like

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Ok

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What the FUCK is Scoria?

fringe quiver
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Like ignoring Dragonfolly the fact there's a entire species of offshoots that is so comically strong for offshoot standards that they're stronger than most gods and auric dragons is already definitely something that could be leaned on to lend itself to a cool ass mystery

arctic cliff
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They still look too much like ghost leviathans

lean relic
arctic cliff
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even that upcoming placeholder resprite has that as its basis

fringe quiver
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Triangle will save the eidolon wyrm design economy trust

rose laurel
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So I questioned myself

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What could be Scoria?

azure oak
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Angry metal

rose laurel
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So

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I came up with a very funny answer

grave geyser
rose laurel
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It's a tectonic plate

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Just

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Straight up

fringe quiver
# rose laurel What the FUCK is Scoria?

Scoria or cinder is a pyroclastic, highly vesicular, dark-colored volcanic rock formed by ejection from a volcano as a molten blob and cooled in the air to form discrete grains called clasts.[1][2] It is typically dark in color (brown, black or purplish-red), and basaltic or andesitic in composition. Scoria has relatively low density, as it is riddled with macroscopic ellipsoidal vesicles (gas bubbles), but in contrast to pumice, scoria always has a specific gravity greater than 1 and sinks in water.

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Haha.

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Got Em.

rose laurel
grave geyser
rose laurel
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That's the neat part!

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It makes the Abyss EVEN MORE FUCKED UP

fringe quiver
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the abyss is under a tectonic plate..?

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or well

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goes bellow one, anyways

lean relic
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add lore description in item tooltip like hoyo games do

rose laurel
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That's what I was going to do

fringe quiver
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Which also implies azafure is in the mantle of the world

grave geyser
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hell is also below tectonic plates, apperently

rose laurel
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And when I came up with the idea

fringe quiver
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Which to be fair it's like full of lava i guess that makes sense

misty wren
rose laurel
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I was writing stuff for every material for the mod

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Got to Scoria

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Began thinking

azure oak
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Would somehow need to completely mangle a slice of a plate to have scoria generate the way it does

rose laurel
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"Tectonic plate"

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It makes the entire Abyss a complete geological freak

arctic cliff
misty wren
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its not exactly how tectonic plates work but

rose laurel
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And also the very funny implication of tectonic platers being physical things in Terraria

lean relic
rose laurel
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Yes

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I know tectonic plates are not physical things

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But I thought it was a cool idea

misty wren
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youd need tectonic plates to serve the schemes im baking 🔥

rose laurel
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They are still functionally the exact same thing they just exist physically

dusty tinsel
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Tectonic plates? I use those to eat dinner off of /j

grave geyser
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I'm ngl this just sounds like "this would be cool/kinda fucked up" and it stuck
which like its one thing if you can make it make sense but like creating lore for the express purpose of breaking physics seems odd

misty wren
rose laurel
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The Abyss is already pointed out as a geological freak

dusty tinsel
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Terraria already breaks physics with the existence of magic so does it really matter XD

grave geyser
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I mean it implies the entire planet is geologically fucked

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not just the abyss

rose laurel
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Not really

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Again, tectonic plates work the exact same way as they do irl

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They are just a physical thing too

misty wren
grave geyser
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I mean I would be asking "why is scoria only found in the abyss"

rose laurel
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Because no other place of the game is on top of a fucking tectonic plate

misty wren
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EVERYTHING IS ON TOP OF A TECTONIC PLATE

thick coyote
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yeah uh

misty wren
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THAT IS INTEGRAL TO THEIR FUNCTION

thick coyote
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thats not how tectonic plates work

rose laurel
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ON THE BORDER OF A TECTONIC PLATE

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Bro don't tell me I fundamentally misunderstood tectonic plates

thick coyote
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i mean you said they arent a physical thing

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so i think you did

grave geyser
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also wouldn't this be causing like
hella earthquakes

native thistle
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Erm...

rose laurel
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You can't touch a tectonic plate

misty wren
arctic cliff
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Okay bubs, as john volcano facts here, I’m gonna be honest, why are we discussing accurate science in fucking terraria, where goldfish can somehow walk on land during rain

misty wren
thick coyote
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put your hand on the ground

arctic cliff
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and where stars LITERALLY fall from space

rose laurel
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Ok but you aren't touching THE tectonic plate

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Get it?

thick coyote
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??? yes i am

arctic cliff
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you ought just not to think about it too much

misty wren
rose laurel
thick coyote
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tectnonic plates are what the enitre crust is made of

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its not part of the crust

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it is the crust

rose laurel
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What I mean is

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You can touch what is part of the tectonic plate

misty wren
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you're touching the tectonic plate, specifically the subset of tectonic plate that is considered continental plate (not underwater)

grave geyser
rose laurel
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But not THE tectonic plate

thick coyote
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that doesnt make any sense

silk terrace
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you can always touch a tectonic plate its called living on the ground

rose laurel
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It's like saying you can touch the biosphere

misty wren
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no

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no it really isnt

fringe quiver
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the tectonic plate is the entirety of the land

thick coyote
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a biosphere is a concept

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a tectonic plate is a physical thing

fringe quiver
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it floats on lava goop hell world

misty wren
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if im touching a rosebush in a garden i am also touching the garden

lapis oak
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tectonic plate talk

thick coyote
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its relevant, its about the abyss

rose laurel
lapis oak
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let's bully Reb

rose laurel
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I CAN'T MAKE SCORIA BE TECTONIC PLATES

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This is the worst day of my life

thick coyote
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WTF THAT WAS YOUR IDEA?

native thistle
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We can always just say that the abyss is like the mariana trench and move on

thick coyote
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yeah no that doesnt make any sense

rose laurel
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IT WAS COOL

thick coyote
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tectonic plates are the entire world

arctic cliff
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hey, volcanoes are relevant to plate tectonics
this means that #calamity-update-talk ended up turning into volcano facts talk in the end

rose laurel
misty wren
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like yes it isnt the entirety of the tectonic plate that you put your hand on but those are larger than continents so thats physically impossible for you to do

rose laurel
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It's because I don't want to imply another fundamental aspect of the world is entirely different in Cal when we already have enough fucked up worldbuilding going around

naive ice
arctic cliff
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yknow fair, all I’m saying is that you probably just shouldn’t think too hard on it

terse dew
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volcanoes created the stone

naive ice
terse dew
brave star
misty wren
rose laurel
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I'm so sad I can't make Scoria be tectonic plates

arctic cliff
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(Just reveal that the abyss is in fact a fucked up volcano caused by the brimstone crags, since that is directly underneath that)

thick coyote
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If you want to make scoria make sense, then say its rock deposit from geothermal vents

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thats an actual like "realistic" idea for it

rose laurel
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Ok but it's a motherfucking Post Golem ore

misty wren
rose laurel
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That's why I wanted something cool for it

thick coyote
arctic cliff
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BECAUSE surely if Azafure is causing the sulph sea above, then what does that do for the stuff between the surface and the crags?

thick coyote
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i mean geothermal vent metal

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is pretty fuckin cool

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but im an ocean nerd

grave geyser
misty wren
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it couldnt be caused by the crags because the existence of azafure is inherently tied to the existence of the abyss

rose laurel
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Oh wait

grave geyser
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oil armor

misty wren
rose laurel
arctic cliff
rose laurel
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I'm gonna have to go back to the drawing board on what's Scoria

misty wren
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the crags is azafure
azafure only exists because the abyss already existed
so the abyss cannot be caused by the crags

rose laurel
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See the neat thing is

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I said this here exactly because I knew the concept was iffy and wanted to see if other people could tell me if I was being stupid or not

grave geyser
thick coyote
#

please go read up on tectonic plates though its one of the coolest parts of how our planet works and it feels like you dont know how it works HDfailure

rose laurel
#

I mean I know what they are I just thought tectonic plates were the movement of the earth's crust rather than directly the crust

grave geyser
misty wren
rose laurel
#

I would like to keep the Abyss natural, if that makes sense

misty wren
#

specifically looking at the armor set it inflicts brimstone flames

inner timber
#

it does look like slightly molten rock

misty wren
rose laurel
#

Though I guess it makes sense and well

grave geyser
rose laurel
#

You could say Elementals are natural

thick coyote
#

isnt that silva stuff

inner timber
#

brimstone lava fissure !!!

misty wren
#

murder planty mush keep it out of my goddamn fishing expedition

rose laurel
#

That's actually something I've been pushing a lot more recently like, holy fuck the Elementals have NO world presence

inner timber
thick coyote
#

i think an issue with natural things in both vanilla and calamity is the lack of willingness to just let the player die to something way out of their league

#

so the first time you run into like the cloud elemental its when you can kill it

#

leading to it not really feeling like anything

#

unless you meant prescence in another way

misty wren
#

presence as in what they actually do

native thistle
#

Probably meant lore presence but you're right

rose laurel
#

Yeah I mean lore presence

#

Anahita does

#

Literally nothing

misty wren
#

how does [x] elemental existing affect the world
question thats never really answered

inner timber
rose laurel
#

Yeah that's LITERALLY the one thing Anahita did

#

Live in the Abyss

#

I have been expanding some stuff in dev like

#

Hey

#

Ice Elementals

#

Where do you think they came from?

inner timber
#

ice golem becomes trivial

polar fog
#

i had to look them up

grave geyser
rose laurel
#

I actually managed to explain EVERY SINGLE ELEMENTAL from Vanilla in a meaningful way

misty wren
rose laurel
#

Besides Chaos

#

Chaos is kinda just

grave geyser
rose laurel
#

Mumbo jumbo of godly essence

misty wren
#

something something cosmic elemental

grave geyser
#

kill

inner timber
#

chaos elemental isnt a real elemental and is instead just primordial light shitting itself expeditiously . boom explained

rose laurel
#

Byeah, I've been expanding Anahita's story a lot recently

polar fog
#

the one part i miss about cosmic elemental was the sword drops even if they were extremely out of place

misty wren
rose laurel
#

Brimmy I also want to give some more relevance in the Crags itself

#

But yeah honestly it

grave geyser
rose laurel
#

Could expand some to the Abyss

inner timber
rose laurel
#

I did

#

Not hard at all

grave geyser
rose laurel
#

So you know how you never find

inner timber
#

damn... foiled again

rose laurel
#

The actual Earth Elemental?

#

And we always shrugged it as Sandy being the main one?

misty wren
#

actual earth elemental held the world soul and when it shattered it got split up into billions of tiny pieces

inner timber
#

nah wdym this very clearly mechanical hunk of metal is the real earth elemental

thick coyote
#

im sorry the what

rose laurel
#

Yeah so I justified that by saying the Earth Elemental actually doesn't exist because it fragmented itself in time immemorial and never put itself back together

grave geyser
inner timber
#

is this why there are oddly specific earth related elementals

rose laurel
#

Yes!

arctic cliff
#

speaking of earth elemental

rose laurel
#

They are just lesser and lesser manifestations of the guy

inner timber
#

like sand elemental and sand elemental 2 (the healing one idk if the elemental bottles are different elementals) and granite

thick coyote
inner timber
#

and and . actually would ice be part earth? that is just frozen water

rose laurel
#

Ice is from Anahita

native thistle
#

True earth elemental boss when XD

rose laurel
#

Since, yeah

cunning sequoia
misty wren
grave geyser
arctic cliff
#

why was the earth elemental rename sugg rejected again?

rose laurel
#

Everyone knows Elementals have a habit of splitting themselves

#

Even Brimmy does it with Brimlings

arctic cliff
#

i genuinely forgot

rose laurel
#

Cloudy directly states to be massively split

#

Earth I just mentioned

inner timber
rose laurel
#

And Anahita? Yeah, look at Ice Elementals

#

I'm actually going to tell you what's their deal since

#

I really like Ana's story I'm making

hushed hazel
rose laurel
#

But you know how Silva kicked her out of the Abyss?

thick coyote
#

so what

hushed hazel
#

I’m the original water elemental

silk terrace
#

i would say deus is the star walker but it doesn't have any legs

rose laurel
thick coyote
#

the history of terraias's dominant race in calamity is basially like

Elementals > Dragons > Gods

inner timber
native thistle
#

water elemental

inner timber
misty wren
#

yes

rose laurel
#

Anahita took a long journey through the heartlands from the Abyss to the Ocean

thick coyote
misty wren
hushed hazel
#

Vaguely on the note of elementals though i just had a funny crack theory

rose laurel
fringe quiver
#

ngl yeah i always just assumed she

#

went around

inner timber
thick coyote
#

you're telling me anahita went over land

#

instead of

#

swimming around???

#

that is so bizzare

hushed hazel
#

Imagine if Silva was given the soul of the dragon of life because they were a fucked up Shin Godzilla-esque constantly evolving monstrosity that just wanted to be put out of its misery

rose laurel
#

The Ocean is by all means the closest large body of water

inner timber
misty wren
#

the hypotenuse of a triangle is longer than the base

lean relic
arctic cliff
rose laurel
#

Also, I just wanted to have an Actual Story over Anahita IT'S THE WHAT

thick coyote
#

maybe im a dumbass but i always enviosioned the world we play as in as an abstraction of a pangea like landmass

rose laurel
#

Ever since the lore rewrite Anahita lost her entire story she's kinda just

#

There now

#

So I wanted to give her something

misty wren
#

levi also lost her whole schtick

rose laurel
#

Levi carries the Wyrm's mantle of "fucked up sea monster"

#

Like, yeah

grave geyser
#

tbf she was just kinda there in old lore too

#

just with more old lore related "oooh big tragedy happened"

rose laurel
#

Plus with Anahita's story I'm making, I think Levi works

native thistle
#

Anahita and Levi need a conceptual overall anyways.

inner timber
rose laurel
#

Phenomenally well as a story never told

inner timber
#

like it makes sense that she was just there . she wasnt Being Of The World's Essence . she was just a girly girl

grave geyser
rose laurel
grave geyser
#

elementals were just
things that existed in the world

arctic cliff
rose laurel
#

Since, yeah

#

Still not explaining what's up with the Leviathan

arctic cliff
#

she wasn’t always anahita

rose laurel
#

But whether it's a normal animal or a construct by Anahita

inner timber
rose laurel
#

I think both outcomes are equally impactful but also entirely distinct

thick coyote
#

ngl like the past couple weeks where ive been reading a lot of the lore talk

#

it kinda feels a bit overcooked and overexplained at points but i trust you guys to make ti feel not overwhelming once its in game

#

like i dont really need to know anything about levi myself, its just anahita's friend/pet to me and that would be good enough

arctic cliff
#

yknow? I like that a lot

inner timber
native thistle
#

Pages are nutritious

thick coyote
#

my position is that like

#

id have to read it all to check and i would be dreading the idea that i wouldnt get anything about the main plot thats substantial out of it

inner timber
#

fair

#

i am a one piece fan i am too used to reading too much for too little

lapis oak
#

we trade with crab, we get shrimpy, then we turn into shrimps 🦐

rose laurel
#

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

native thistle
#

Levi is Laboon confirmed

cunning sequoia
hushed hazel
#

hear that brother

#

@rose laurel 💥

rose laurel
thorny glacier
#

Wig vanished from existence

arctic cliff
#

ive just associated this gif with rebecca for so darn long

#

to me its the rebecca gif

brave star
#

Casual Rebecca moment

azure oak
#

Calmetiy

valid crypt
azure oak
#

Real trenches occur because a single plate buckles from colliding with another

fathom girder
#

Reb on her way to learn how earthquakes happen

azure oak
#

Usually this is how the world's largest mountain ranges and a lot of volcanic landmasses form

#

Like the andes mountains or japan

#

Though it could also be a trench caused by subduction

valid crypt
#

Become a professional earthquake mechanic to make lore for a mod for a game

azure oak
#

What the fuck melon gun with no moon lord pfp

lean relic
#

huh that's melon gun??

dusk bronze
#

blasphemy

azure oak
#

Anyways my exams are finally over

mystic eagle
#

Lucky you

azure oak
#

So i can play calamity for once and can increase my pile of charts

lapis oak
#

Changelogs this weekend

azure oak
#

Please

dusk bronze
#

sso tomorrow

inner thunder
#

is brimstone crags after sso

thorny glacier
#

Sso was yesterday what do y’all mean?

inner thunder
#

why did they remove hivemind shooting vile spit

#

I've never seen someone complain about it

dusk bronze
#

there will be at least 3 medium updates in between

thorny glacier
#

Is astral infection rework still planned?

dusk bronze
#

also yes

inner thunder
#

they're reworking it??

dusk bronze
#

probably after bco

dusk bronze
inner thunder
#

is there anything I. the game the devs like

lean relic
dusk bronze
#

give me liberty
give me fire
give me monopalettes
or i retire

lapis oak
#

Too soon

valid crypt
dusk bronze
#

heresy

valid crypt
#

Mods
Turn my name back to normal please

hushed hazel
#

it cannot be done

valid crypt
#

:3

raw falcon
#

Is there a design already planned for astral?

kind maple
#

How sure are the devs that the boss order change will take place?

modern grove
#

Astral infection now uses current miracle matter palette

cunning sequoia
#

afaik

kind maple
#

It would be nice

mystic eagle
#

I doubt alot of changes will happen

valid crypt
modern grove
#

It's now called miracle biome

#

Only miracles happen in it

trail oriole
#

it was finished it just sucks lole

fringe quiver
#

nothing is confirmed though

trail oriole
#

evils are most ddef confirmed to be post ml now

fringe quiver
#

awesome

cunning sequoia
fathom girder
#

perforators being a fun boss fight is gonna be crazy

valid crypt
#

Calamity being well designed gonna be crazy

dawn ferry
#

so df is going to be weak af now 😔

dull heart
#

I agree it's highly likely but ultimately we haven't posted a vote on it yet

#

posting a vote tends to be when the people who feel against something tend to come out of the woodworks

hard hearth
fathom girder
#

I vote for it

#

all that matters clearly

inner thunder
trail oriole
#

those who vote no during current circumstaacne should get booted

#

rn

dull heart
#

idk why they won't

trail oriole
#

cause theyre numb in the brain

dull heart
#

but It'd be shocking if it's unanimous

cunning sequoia
#

something something democracy

still bluff
#

Democracy is binding

kind maple
#

Pre hardmode Dragonfolly gonna be peak

trail oriole
#

should be
pre hardmode; 4 bosses in the evil biome back to back
hardmode; too many bosses, would fuel the bossrush fire
post ml; would give crimson and corruption another purpose again for another stage in the game and theres little to not bosses to disrupt the placement

still bluff
#

Yea we won't change the fight at all it'll just be prehm

trail oriole
#

reason not to; guuhg guhgghg uehhhh ehh uhhh,. gmmm. ... s aa

cunning sequoia
still bluff
#

Summon a nohitter to do prehm folly to prove it's fine as is

dull heart
#

Damage and drops stay the same too

trail oriole
#

love running in circles

still bluff
#

Yeah but what if it was prehm

valid crypt
#

Isnt it decently easy to get both crimson and corruption biomes in post ml wouldn’t it essentially be adding 2 post ml bosses to

trail oriole
viral merlin
#

Why and how would it make sense for evils to get something new and stronger when you essentially castrate it by killing plantera

dull heart
#

prehm would make the current fight way harder

viral merlin
#

Especially post ml

dull heart
#

Due to only having a single balloon or fledgling wings

still bluff
#

also that's an accurate descriptor of like 90% of cal bosses it even applies to changed DoG

raw falcon
#

Current folly is deadass the most forgettable boss in the mod

trail oriole
hard hearth
#

plont castrating evils is a gameplay related thing

dull heart
trail oriole
still bluff
#

Crabulon is my favorite endgame boss

trail oriole
#

yeah but itll get stronger in post ml

valid crypt
trail oriole
#

so well just uncastrate it

twin juniper
#

what if evil2 were tiered to pre boss stage I think that would make them more interesting or something

hard hearth
trail oriole
#

like we're going to have accomendating changes for the bosses ewsp if we want to make the post ml enemies fit

viral merlin
#

I just think that by post ml players would have gotten rid of the evil
Or idk

#

I'm not against the change but like

#

It's just strange

hard hearth
#

i doubt it

trail oriole
#

bring it BACK

dull heart
#

most players do not get rid of all the evil

trail oriole
#

🫃

hard hearth
#

theyll just let it stay there

#

yea

raw falcon
#

Most players dont bother clentaminating at all

cunning sequoia
hard hearth
#

cleaning evils is too much effort

dull heart
#

They'll clentaminate only when it gets near a house

viral merlin
#

Unless it's vanilla

valid crypt
dull heart
#

like me

cunning sequoia
#

not like you get anything worthwile for it besides one tedious achievement

hard hearth
#

when not using something that nuked it from the entire world with one item

trail oriole
#

still just make it spread again and spawn a patch if its even a problem

still bluff
#

Yea I tend to either just have the no biome spread mod or only occasionally cleanse the annoying parts

granite smelt
hard hearth
#

if anything im more excited about the prospect of post ml HiiH MiiM

trail oriole
#

?

hard hearth
#

than anything else

trail oriole
#

give mine

hard hearth
#

wot

#

what mine

trail oriole
#

the blind find

hard hearth
#

im still confused

viral merlin
#

Post ml is going back to pre hm by introducing new evil bosses

trail oriole
#

hive mind will be friggin! epic but well have to do a bit of debraining sorry guys

#

dogma

cunning sequoia
#

omg eye sac reference

dull heart
#

Post ML makes you go to your world now wow

still bluff
#

It'll be a worm boss

viral merlin
#

Another worm boss!!!

dull heart
#

It'll be 4 worms

#

And one hive mind

still bluff
#

Hive mind of worms

dull heart
#

Perforator Hive Mind

viral merlin
#

Worm that spawns more worms

still bluff
#

That's my kind of worm

hard hearth
#

terry n muse being called to upgrade hive mind to post ml standard

trail oriole
cunning sequoia
#

p1...

#

hive mind prime

hard hearth
#

🗣️ 🔥

raw falcon
#

PRIME FIRST // FOLLY OF THE GODS

hard hearth
#

bout to drop prime weapons

trail oriole
#

phase 1 will be generic hivemiend and then phase 2 will be all evil and fucked up and evil

dull heart
#

The Hive ?

wicked pewter
trail oriole
#

yeah

#

yeah

wicked pewter
#

yummers

hushed hazel
hard hearth
#

😭 😭

viral merlin
#

Perforators phase 2 but it's just the infection from hollow knight

raw falcon
viral merlin
#

Fits crimson more because blisters and shit

#

Crimson I mean

#

And it's orange

summer shore
#

Will hiih miim rework have the brain clones but awesome

cunning sequoia
viral merlin
#

Since we're at it
Give Hallow a post ml boss as well

summer shore
#

no..

cunning sequoia
#

wdym thats providence

viral merlin
#

Providence is her own thing

summer shore
#

hallowed has two bosses already

#

Eol and qs

hard hearth
dull heart
still bluff
#

EoL is getting moved to post DoG

dull heart
#

hallow and hell

summer shore
#

You're a hallow boss

#

Sunshine and rainbows

dull heart
#

Old Ones Army tier 4 but it can only be fought during acid rain

raw falcon
#

We're all hallow bosses

viral merlin
#

Isn't she technically tied to whatever the hell that one biomes name is

hard hearth
#

i think dog is an every biome boss

cunning sequoia
#

you doze, you zoze

hard hearth
#

therefore every biome has a post ml boss

#

minimum

viral merlin
wooden blade
#

hallow knight

raw falcon
summer shore
dull heart
raw falcon
#

profane biome?

hard hearth
viral merlin
#

Yeah that

cunning sequoia
valid crypt
#

I still summon yharon in the jungle cause why not

cunning sequoia
#

into the retirement dumpster with ye

raw falcon
hard hearth
raw falcon
#

jungle dargon

fringe quiver
#

providence is a hallow boss rn but she has like no real ties to the biome either in aesthethics or narrative or anything so

#

shes probably getting out of htere anyways

viral merlin
#

Future yharon...

hard hearth
#

eugh

#

jungle god yharon

cunning sequoia
#

ein when he sees words in his hideo game...

hard hearth
#

😨

#

abysmal dogshit boss..

cunning sequoia
#

junjle dog

hard hearth
dull heart
#

So right now she is hallow and hell tied

fringe quiver
#

i think the idea was that you fight guardians in the profaned biome but provi herself is kinda anywhere

#

thats just what i remember though

#

dont take it too seriously

hushed hazel
fringe quiver
#

rename it to evil unholy fire from hell

#

actually that'd just amke her more underworld tied

dull heart
#

Isn't Holy Ray pinkish

valid crypt
fringe quiver
#

rename it to morally gray neutral fire from nowhere in particular

dull heart
fringe quiver
#

there we go

#

:D

summer shore
#

divine fire

valid crypt
raw falcon
valid crypt
#

Uhhhhh
Fair point actually just that i think

dull heart
#

that's one item that isn't even a provi drop

raw falcon
#

unholy insurgency /j

viral merlin
#

Profaned Ray....

dull heart
#

Wait

raw falcon
#

Profaned partizan

dull heart
#

Ok it is a provi drop

#

It's not specifically a provi only item

cunning sequoia
#

its like remnants of old lore cause she was an inbetween of holy and unholy

#

something something war between demons and angels thats never explained or explored

summer shore
#

Yes

fringe quiver
#

go my angels and demons that had a war

#

go and annihilate my enemies

summer shore
#

New provi is unrelated to hallow or underworld

raw falcon
#

you summon her with a profaned core

#

wich has an explicitly unholy connotation

summer shore
#

not really

valid crypt
#

Wheres the angel enemies

summer shore
#

harpies

fringe quiver
#

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#

harpies :D

summer shore
fringe quiver
#

mhm mhm

valid crypt
#

Or did demons try fist fighting like
Unicorns

fringe quiver
#

person + bird wings

#

literally an angel

valid crypt
#

Loses a fist fight with a pixie

viral merlin
#

Providence self inserting into doom lore

raw falcon
#

one providence vs 10 million gorillas who would win

kind maple
#

Harpies....

summer shore
#

Harmies

kind maple
#

Yharmies

dawn ferry
#

what is 10 millions gorillas gonna do

nocturne crater
#

p

viral merlin
#

Collect my auric bars

raw falcon
#

yermes

valid crypt
#

10 million gorillas vs a forest fire typa question

nocturne crater
#

10m gorillas are a lot but they literally can do nothing to provi

viral merlin
#

But what if they turn into a giant gorilla by stacking themselves

nocturne crater
valid crypt
nocturne crater
raw falcon
#

Okay one provi vs 10 million gorillas, but with guns

valid crypt
#

The bigger they are the bigger they fall

azure oak
#

yharim reuse skeletron prime ai if it was fabsolian clueless

raw falcon
#

Assuming they can all shoot

valid crypt
#

Yharim with crawltipede ai

raw falcon
#

yharim with fishron ai

valid crypt
#

Realistically the bullets probably would just burn before reaching her

raw falcon
valid crypt
#

Wait provi kills evrrything not very close to her
Its gonna instantly get lowered to 500 gorillas

raw falcon
#

so. no

fringe quiver
#

yharim with unicorn ai

#

he charges at you with his sword

viral merlin
#

Yharim would use unicorn + paladin ai

kind maple
#

Yharim uses Yharim ai

raw falcon
#

yharim would use fighter ai

viral merlin
#

And golem

nocturne crater
#

Yharim with duke ai

valid crypt
viral merlin
#

Yharmy would be modified pirate invasion

fringe quiver
#

providence vs a billion lions

viral merlin
#

Resprited actually

azure oak
fringe quiver
#

nah yharmy would actually be good

valid crypt
#

Providence has the opposite of a kill aura
A dont burn aura
Leave it and burn

raw falcon
#

yharim with eoc ai

fringe quiver
#

because fabsol only touched bosses not events

nocturne crater
raw falcon
#

okay fk it

#

provi vs kirby who would win

valid crypt
#

Mahoraga vs providence

viral merlin
#

Me

nocturne crater
#

Kirby I think

viral merlin
#

I would win

fringe quiver
#

yeah probably kirby

nocturne crater
dawn ferry
#

providence vs me

valid crypt
viral merlin
#

Mahoraga is not that guy he'd get evaporated

azure oak
#

the ashen goddess when the pink orb starts inhaling:

nocturne crater
fringe quiver
#

providence vs big dave

#

i think big dave got this

nocturne crater
dawn ferry
#

is there any mod that make enemies fight each other

valid crypt
#

iirc yeah

viral merlin
nocturne crater
viral merlin
#

Realistically he'd get close and burn to smithereens

nocturne crater
viral merlin
#

Cal clone solos jjk 💔

valid crypt
#

From what i know jjk lacks in raw power often covers with absurd hax at times

nocturne crater
nocturne crater
valid crypt
nocturne crater
viral merlin
#

(blobkuna's furnace amped by domain)

nocturne crater
viral merlin
#

And the only hax there is is gojo's infinity

nocturne crater
#

And we know that could hurt even Sukuna at 15 fingers power

#

If it had hit XD

lavish otter
viral merlin
#

They all lose because calamity defense damage HDfailure

dull heart
#

people just got excited about the idea of being able to have fab gone

lavish otter
#

Common Triangle behavior

nocturne crater
#

Triangular

viral merlin
#

Triangle is not a bad guy don't send him to the stretcher

valid crypt
#

I forgot if its canon ark of the elementa can cut space or not

dull heart
#

But specifically major content spoilers we're supposed to vote on before posting, and after seeing reddit hear about the ideas the whole team remembers why

nocturne crater
#

Lemme dig through my server

valid crypt
plush carbon
#

yea devs have been saying a lot of stuff since Fab left and basically none of it is set in stone

raw falcon
plush carbon
#

Not to say I don't understand the excitement

lavish otter
#

Fair enough actually, that's why I was surprised it wasn't already voted on
All I knew was that most of the devs agreed to it, but I kind of just expected for that to be more official

still bluff
#

We'd add more worm bosses

dull heart
#

true

still bluff
#

There aren't enough in cal

dull heart
#

I agree

hard hearth
#

more worm

#

very good

dull heart
plush carbon
#

idk if the plans for Shinryu are even set in stone

nocturne crater
raw falcon
#

gotta wonder why fab felt the need to have two evil bosses back to back

viral merlin
valid crypt
dull heart
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i am allowed to spoil not major things I have done at my discretion, though

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hence this image existing

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plush carbon
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If it's already been decided then yea

still bluff
modern grove
vivid hemlock
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im gonna have a heart attack

modern grove
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It's very 2016 decision

summer shore
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