calamity-update-talk

[obtuse hawk]

golem
golem, calamity

[dense sundial]

Fabsolian Golem
Fabsolian Golem

Hey, wait a minute…

[arctic cliff]

also i legit cant go back to base calamity golem after fighting infernum

[dusty tinsel]

At least ravager is getting reworked

[arctic cliff]

gabsol folem is genuinely awful to fight

its the worst of what i call "bullet vomit", it just fires so fucking many projectiles

its stupid

some of them bounce too, so it just gets worse and worse

and its all randomized

[wooden blade]

Golem if he was fucking dogshit

[arctic cliff]

theres no pattern

[hot pebble]

Ravager is Patrick

[wooden blade]

Bro

Don't speak abt patrick like that :/

It's not good

[hot pebble]

do you hear that?

[wooden blade]

That's just patrick screaming at what he's looking it at.. (trash)

[hot pebble]

deathmetal patrick

[wooden blade]

And yeah i perfectly hear it lmao never thought of it at first

Patrick if he was a white goth

[hot pebble]

Patrick the Revenger

u will never unhear it

[silk terrace]

Queeestion

So now that there is more freedom for the team
¿The DoG will get more changes or will stay with the plans they had already (the bigger sprite and rework)

[vivid hemlock]

it depends

[dusty tinsel]

Dog unwormed when

[vivid hemlock]

dog is still a long ways out so things can change

especially now

[final pine]

a morbillion years

[silk terrace]

Balatrillon of years

Great to know

[vivid hemlock]

balala

[silk terrace]

Banana

[hot pebble]

Banana

[cursive ravine]

Banana

[dusk bronze]

potassium

[dusty tinsel]

K

[wintry flume]

Z = 19

[hot pebble]

brainrot mode activated

[hard hearth]

balala

[hot pebble]

Hi nEin

[hard hearth]

best video game

helloge

[agile latch]

He is becoming a marble and granite guy

[vivid hemlock]

👁️

[proud plover]

Granite elemental:

[desert path]

marble elemental when

[high scaffold]

when ravager isnt the easiest boss in the entire game

[tropic ermine]

Mr. John Marnite himself

[copper citrus]

Clone calamitas get rework?

[vivid hemlock]

not yet

[wooden blade]

"i used to be nothing but the [earth] guy, now am the [it marbles! No, stop help me it maarbles!!] guy"

[pearl sentinel]

LMFAO

[brave star]

Stonton

[pearl sentinel]

spam tong

[azure oak]

add 17 new miracle matter variants

[pearl sentinel]

500 cigarettes

[azure oak]

how miraculous

[tropic ermine]

okay now I've seen the 500 cigarettes

it's like I've been standing my entire life and just sat down

[hot pebble]

I remember I wanted to draw Ravager seeing a player in the hallway and saying on the radio "He's just standing there... Menacingly"

Yeah, let's make it so that the Calamity community can't imagine Ravager without Patrick's voice.

[prisma cipher]

REAL

[hot pebble]

Wait a minute...

[vivid hemlock]

schizophrenia

[hot pebble]

I look at these saws and think, "I've seen something like this somewhere before."

Here!

Pizza Tower Reference in Calamity

[misty wren]

surely

surely thats what its based off of and not superradiant slaughterer

[azure oak]

new approach to miracle matter is nice

[wooden blade]

Zipza woter mentioned???

[tropic fable]

I wasn't expecting a Spanish meme here

[dull schooner]

theres way more people than speak other language than js english

[dull heart]

hi

[tropic fable]

hola

[tropic fable]

right

[tropic ermine]

spoiloons

[tropic fable]

spibidi poilers

[hasty tangle]

splatoons

[tropic ermine]

oh shit right that's a thing you can do

[lavish otter]

The speed they'd have to make these with alone amazes me

[fringe quiver]

ill miss her

she was my pfp for a bit...

[tropic ermine]

she is really cute yeah

[arctic cliff]

im gonna be honest, i liked buff arms sand elemental a lot

it seems that even if we had to have waifu elementals, they were still going to look excellent anyways

[brave star]

Why are the sands dying

[dusk bronze]

dia said so

[arctic cliff]

i mean, two sand elemental summons?

[dusk bronze]

they will be obelisks

[fringe quiver]

they will be de-womanized

[tropic ermine]

I assume there's gonna be only 1 sand then

[dusk bronze]

dia said that's a possibility

not guaranteed tho

[tropic ermine]

I would've wanted both sprites to split the diff, one hote and one miniboss
but ah well

[valid crypt]

Which one

[fringe quiver]

cloud elementa

slkeepby

[valid crypt]

A

[tropic ermine]

just a lil eeper...

[dusk bronze]

eep elemental

[fringe quiver]

i mena given ive woken up only a few minutes ago and its currently 3 pm

[cunning sequoia]

red nation is gonna shit itself when the elementals get changed i can feel it

[vivid hemlock]

garbo we need you to supress them

[cunning sequoia]

go awake

[fringe quiver]

give me boobs ! give me boobs woman ! grr !

give me pixel art jiggle physics that exists for some reason why do they exist help me !

[azure oak]

they exist because fabsol

[dull heart]

can't wait for all the redditors to realize fabsol was keeping the elementals in the mod

[ionic folio]

I'ma be honest,

[thick coyote]

wait ACTUALLY?

[ionic folio]

I'm surprised no one has said a thing about the M1 Garand

[fathom girder]

oh we have

[thick coyote]

i thought even he agreed the current designs were embarassing for the mod

[fathom girder]

we know it's just

there

[ionic folio]

It will be

In

[dull heart]

I'm like

[fathom girder]

bruh that's gonna be fun

[dull heart]

75% sure fabsol is why they hadn't been changed

[fathom girder]

checks out tbh

given his uh

oc

[pseudo vector]

chances are he was lying out of his ass to save face lol

[thick coyote]

true

[fringe quiver]

KEEP MY HORNYBAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fathom girder]

NO

[fringe quiver]

that's incredibly embarassing to be honest

[ionic folio]

Erm, Terraria is a kids game

[fathom girder]

erm, empress of light

[pseudo vector]

i love the new cloud design i can't even lie

[trail oriole]

dia cant speak on this issue btw

[pseudo vector]

gives biblically accurate angel vibes

[ionic folio]

Erm she's actually wearing fucking clothes

[fringe quiver]

its crazy how with each day more stuff gets mentioned about fabsol now that he left the team that makes him seem gradually more embarassing as a person

[trail oriole]

dont look up brimstone elemental in caldev

[ionic folio]

Buddy, I said I'm making a new sprite

[fathom girder]

I concede

LOL

[trail oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-ostinka-gif-22635178

mhm

[ionic folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1141936516311023726/1247993376914276374/attachment-6.gif

Judgement

[fathom girder]

tobias fighting the other devs

[trail oriole]

yeah cause it was super jarring

[thick coyote]

will say that ill be sad to see rare sand elemental go becuase she slays but in a tasteful way

[trail oriole]

i was

like

[twin trellis]

I just drew me a probably unfinished yharon (:

[trail oriole]

no way that's reall

itll never be public but it was a sight

[fathom girder]

tsk tsk

we shouldn't even know about it then

[trail oriole]

ive heard good? things about the newer sprite

[wicked pewter]

😭 god i think i know what youre talking about

[fathom girder]

the eye thing with the wings right?

[trail oriole]

it contqains some references that i wouldnt know of

[fathom girder]

I like the eye thing with the wings

It's neat

[azure oak]

it has a lil body

[trail oriole]

wrong elemental

[fathom girder]

oe

[fringe quiver]

one day ill just be minding my own business and some developer will join in and be like ohhh yeaaahhhh fabsol actively wanted to keep the pixel art hornybait on the mod even though nobody else did

[thick coyote]

this and anahita i feel like are actually solid

[rose laurel]

Anahita being changed would just be wacko imo

Like, she's a siren

[thick coyote]

yeah

she SHOULD be a pretty lady

[fathom girder]

It makes sense for anahita

why the others are also hot women don't make sense

[thick coyote]

and rare sand elemental, well, the vanilla one is a lady so i guess it works?

[wicked pewter]

anahita isnt even hornybait

she has an actually good design

[fringe quiver]

yeah anahita isnt hornybait shes just a woman

[thick coyote]

i feel like that applies to RSE too

[fathom girder]

why is earth elemental the only beefy strong elemental

[trail oriole]

anahita should have a nicer summoning method, something that plays a bit more into that

[rose laurel]

But every other Elemental yeah sure can change it, though I'd still want Brimmy to be a woman

[trail oriole]

should be an ambush instead of

[viral merlin]

Brimstone elemental is quite literally
Hot

[trail oriole]

yeah

[fringe quiver]

kill my lures

[viral merlin]

Like searing hot

Lava brimstone all that shit

[thick coyote]

I feel like all you have to do is make it so she attacks when you get close instead of you having to intiate

[rose laurel]

Nah that'd be kinda annoying

[trail oriole]

i feel it was done cause it would be annoying the other way

yeah

[thick coyote]

close as in

right next to her

[trail oriole]

ya still

[fathom girder]

I like roamer bosses that just exist to exist

[trail oriole]

theres better ways

[fathom girder]

Like aquatic scourge

[rose laurel]

You know what I think should happen?

[fringe quiver]

aquatic scourge is just a chill guy

[viral merlin]

Have you summon anahita by mockingly blowing a trumpet in the sea

[thick coyote]

rebecca cooking another boss summon?

im all ears

last night was cinema

[pseudo vector]

give her a clown nose and she'd fit right in at the circus

[fathom girder]

fr

I wonder how the other devs took her idea for that

[pseudo vector]

she'd be a great juggling act

[rose laurel]

We place a rock schematic on the Ocean where Anahita would spawn in

[trail oriole]

🐱 ❓

[fathom girder]

The uh

[rose laurel]

And the player can walk up to her and just

Talk

[fathom girder]

yharon hunting thing

[rose laurel]

You'd be able to talk with Anahita

[trail oriole]

no idea what that entails

[lean relic]

no way

[thick coyote]

maybe rebecca didnt share the idea in dev yet

[viral merlin]

What if you don't want to talk and just murder her in cold blood

[rose laurel]

I did Tobias just missed it

[fathom girder]

smh

tobias more like 🐌ias

[rose laurel]

And then you can take a bunch of dialogue routes which

Eventually lead into the fight

[fathom girder]

reminds me of uh

libra from nightreign

[lean relic]

🥀

[thick coyote]

btw

[viral merlin]

How about skipping all that

[thick coyote]

you said schematic

[rose laurel]

And after the first time yeah you can just immediately walk up to her and go "I'm kicking your ass"

[thick coyote]

did you mean structure

[rose laurel]

Yeah structure

[thick coyote]

give the player a classic "your choices matter" rpg option of "yeah im gonna kill you now" at first step for people who dont care maybe

[viral merlin]

Did earth elemental get a resprite yet

[viral merlin]

So true

Would give you a choice to make your terrarian EVIL and just immediately initiate the combat

[lean relic]

"im killing you"
slowly approaching

his drops give Armor Crunch debuff but other than that, ehhh

[arctic cliff]

im still not sure why this was not renamed given its new lore

[viral merlin]

Is yharim still going to be minos and Armstrong inspired

[fringe quiver]

fake elemental

fake and false and bad elemental

[lean cave]

can we get a moon elemental to be an opposite to earth elemental

[thick coyote]

i doubt there are any plans for him

[fringe quiver]

hi thats me

[arctic cliff]

LIKE! I wrote a suggestion to rename it! And it got into Devserver... and then got rejected!
#suggestions-voting message

Why?

[viral merlin]

Since from last I remember fab was for that

[arctic cliff]

Like, genuinely, why

[fringe quiver]

because the devs have plans that conflict with it or your specific name suggestions weren't approved

[lean relic]

mostly they do that if plans exist

[fringe quiver]

yea

[thick coyote]

fabsol yharim ai leak:

[viral merlin]

Name him earth knight or some shit that gives swoon debuff

[dull heart]

or we just didn't wanna rename it

[fringe quiver]

hell

[viral merlin]

So true

[arctic cliff]

Well then it shouldn't be 🚫, it should be 🔒

[fringe quiver]

idk what that means im not a reall suggestionhead

[arctic cliff]

the crux of the sugg additionaly wasn't providing specific names, that was just a single sentence to give some ideas

[trail oriole]

it will be a real elemental it will have a core it will be awesome

[lyric trellis]

Thorium boss

[fringe quiver]

john granite/marble

[arctic cliff]

🔒 is supposed to be for when suggestions propose an idea for something, like a boss, that already has ideas and plans from the devs

so ya

[fringe quiver]

honestly i like the idea of it being a granite/marble guy because those biomes really do need a bit more content

[arctic cliff]

you can read this for further information on reactions in voting #suggestions-voting message

[fringe quiver]

not THAT much content but. a little bit more.

[lavish otter]

I'll definitely miss rare sand's the most, because it's a bit hard to specifically describe, but I guess it felt like there was more character in that design?

[thick coyote]

yeah

shes cute but in a much more tasteful way

[plush carbon]

None of the elementals are really that interesting

[lavish otter]

Of course, I'm interested in seeing what Dia will cook up, but I feel like what we could've had will be missed

[plush carbon]

I'm all for the change

[dense sundial]

hey, that's my line

[arctic cliff]

its because she has comically large arms, which design wise is genuinely interesting

[thick coyote]

oh yeah i should clarify

[lavish otter]

Also yeah, fair, I'm all for the other ones changing!

[thick coyote]

wasnt trying to say that i dont want it to go

i was saying that ill be sad to see it go

[plush carbon]

yea Im just saying I never cared for them so I wont

[dense sundial]

i think every calamity elemental should be chopped up in a meat grinder

i will NOT miss them

[thick coyote]

Anahita?

[arctic cliff]

how are you supposed to chop up burning sulfur in a meat grinder?

[dense sundial]

okay except anahita

[arctic cliff]

like im not here to debate if what you're doing is right, only if what you're doing can even work

[dense sundial]

anahita's design is aight, though i would like her animation to be less Wiggly

[fathom girder]

Meat grinders are grinders

[dense sundial]

she is extremely wiggly

[fathom girder]

You can easily grind up some sulfur

[cyan panther]

Wait the sand elementals are getting changed?

[fathom girder]

all calamity elementals are

outside of assumedly anahita

[cyan panther]

I mean I knew about Brimmy and Cloud getting changed and those look pretty heat from the blurry images we got

But why change the sand elementals

[plush carbon]

because they're BORING

[cyan panther]

They look fine

[dusk bronze]

fine is not good

[lavish otter]

Speaking of, honestly, I feel like Anahita's could be changed a bit
I get why it isn't, and I respect that reason, but I think it could be a bit more than Anahita but with a water texture

[cyan panther]

There is nothing wrong with their designs

[arctic cliff]

That's not how it works Xzier.

I'd say it's cool.

[cyan panther]

The only thing that’s not great about the current ones is they don’t match the colors of the new desert sprites

Does that mean they would need redesigns? I wouldn’t say so

That’s something that can just be alleviated by a recolor

[lapis oak]

What the fuck

[trail oriole]

theyre getting resprited cause theyre boring

ouughhh sand girls!!! yaha!

[lavish otter]

Also while I like them personally, I think I agree with Xzier in general
"Fine" isn't really something you say about something that's genuinely good for what it's supposed to be, it's usually just for something that's passable, something that works even if it doesn't do a lot beyond that

[azure oak]

who needs woman when you can have the obelisk

[dusk bronze]

exactly

[hushed hazel]

Find my Monolith

[plush carbon]

omg that image of "calamity summoning 100 fans of a feature nobody cares about" is so damn true

[dusk bronze]

graa the one cal meme i don't have

[rose laurel]

There has always to be a middle ground imo

[cyan panther]

What would they even be changed into

[valid crypt]

Desert elementals are become the obelisk

I think

[cyan panther]

The what

[dusk bronze]

at least in hote

[rose laurel]

Bro the obelisk is a joke

😭

[lean relic]

Something Something like cloud elemental that's shown today

[lavish otter]

Sometimes it's hard to tell, admittedly

[rose laurel]

There are no solid plans for what the Elementals should be afaik

[valid crypt]

Make it the obelisk

[dusk bronze]

dia said he was making hote sand elemental an illuminati pyramid creature

[hushed hazel]

Create my Obelisk

[lean relic]

Gather my sands

[plush carbon]

make them Triangle's OD resprite

[rose laurel]

Dia my goat making concepts that work lore-wise without even consulting anyone

[cyan panther]

That sounds so much more boring then what we have now

[lavish otter]

As the average tuesday goes in the Calamity devspace

[valid crypt]

Oh lmao??

[lapis oak]

Dia 🐐

[rose laurel]

Bro how's it more boring than

Woman

[valid crypt]

What we have rn is just woman

[rose laurel]

But sand

[rose laurel]

Oh ok the Cloud Elemental design is public

[dusk bronze]

yeag

[lapis oak]

Current is literally "woman" made of sand

[dusk bronze]

that's how this Discussion started

[valid crypt]

Cloud ele is sick

[rose laurel]

*Besides Cloud Elemental

[vivid hemlock]

dia posted it in calart

[rose laurel]

[cyan panther]

Design with actual personality

Vs

TRIANGLE

[valid crypt]

Ill miss the eeper but this better

[lapis oak]

What personality

Humanoid?

[cyan panther]

This is not what I thought cloud elemental was

[rose laurel]

What personality

[dusk bronze]

who says the triangle can't also have personality

[lapis oak]

Woman?

[plush carbon]

Put Cloud Elemental's first sprite and this next to eachtoher

What an evolution

[rose laurel]

And also why couldn't the triangle have personality?

I mean

Have you seen Gravity Falls?

[cyan panther]

It’s a triangle

Most you can do is Illuminati

[lapis oak]

Being humanoid and a woman give you personality? 😭

[dusk bronze]

see reb's message

[plush carbon]

don't insult Triangle like that wtf

[hushed hazel]

give the triangle a neat little hat

[lavish otter]

I'd argue most of Bill's personality is how he acts, and less is in his design

[hushed hazel]

problem solved

[thick coyote]

woman = personality

uhhhh

[rose laurel]

Bill Cipher being a character that exists and saying that triangles can't have personality is insane

[dusk bronze]

someone get dia in here to clear the air this sucks

[lavish otter]

His design is...decidedly pretty basic

[plush carbon]

it's just one guy xzier

[agile latch]

basic that works really well

[dense sundial]

bill does modify his design (like when he becomes a layered 3d creatura near the end of season 2)

but yeah

[agile latch]

Bill cypher need more anti aliasing.. he needs more colors.. 3 times the size, 3 times the detail

[rose laurel]

It doesn't matter if the design is basic if it's used effectively

[lavish otter]

Oh yeah, I don't mean that as a criticism! Just that it doesn't really say a lot about him

[high scaffold]

I hope it will be real

[steep path]

he also should match the color palette of the biome he appears in 1 to 1

[dense sundial]

and i suppose it makes sense for him to be very simple anyway, because he's not just a concrete physical being so much as a force

[plush carbon]

Kirby kinda proves also that simplistic designs can go hard af

[cyan panther]

Also let’s be real there’s gonna be outrage if the sand elementals turn into something completely different

[plush carbon]

ok so what

[agile latch]

and what most of the elementals are

[steep path]

Oh this is so sick omg

[rose laurel]

Guess what Elementals are?

[agile latch]

Yea

[dense sundial]

there is always outrage at every calamity change

this doesn't amount to anything

[plush carbon]

quite literally,

[lapis oak]

Who cares

[agile latch]

[plush carbon]

ANY change will upset people cause people hate change

be so fr

[valid crypt]

And? Anything brings outrage thats why the meme of “summons 300 people who care about an item no one cares for” is a thing

[agile latch]

Oh no guys, a post in red nation with 500 upvotes about how they liked the previous sand elemental

[dusk bronze]

let them be outraged

[vivid hemlock]

yeah this community already has like a visceral reaction to any change

[fringe quiver]

calamity spoiler talk bad takes whats new

[lavish otter]

Also to be fair, haven't people always liked the sand elemental stuff?

[valid crypt]

Lore chat bad takes

[steep path]

I haven't seen the others but if they're all similar to how new cloud elemental is designed then I'm willing to bet they're peak

[ionic folio]

Womp womp

[rose laurel]

There isn't anything on the others yet afaik

[ionic folio]

Anyways

[lavish otter]

I feel like that was never really a "people didn't care about it until it disappeared" thing, I've always heard love be expressed for their designs

[cyan panther]

New cloud elemental looks weird

Why is she now biblically accurate Angel

[ionic folio]

Because she is now goober

[hushed hazel]

cause they thought it'd be cool

[arctic cliff]

i'd question that if we were talking about rare's scrapped redesign

[valid crypt]

Because thats what they were going for

[plush carbon]

ok he's baiting

[fringe quiver]

looks weird
look inside
design that isnt a woman

[dusk bronze]

oh you're already here

[agile latch]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[ionic folio]

Don't remind me

[valid crypt]

Its the primordial force of the atmosphere im surprised it has anything human like in design

[ionic folio]

Iliked the waterblossoms, but the clunky arms looked janded as all hell

[agile latch]

Calamity users when they cant read a design and make connections (everything needs to be as superficial as possible)

[dusk bronze]

dia what did you mean by illuminati pyramid thing

[cyan panther]

I’m glad those were scrapped they look ass too

[thick coyote]

okay LMAO

[fringe quiver]

hes true

[agile latch]

Fire elemental? Make it a literal person made out of fire

[cyan panther]

Elemental butchering arc goes crazy

[dense sundial]

okay but common sand still had an Exposed Crotch i would NOT tolerate that crap

[ionic folio]

The Almight Floating Pyramid The Almight Floating Pyramid The Almight Floating Pyramid The Almight Floating Pyramid The Almight Floating Pyramid

[agile latch]

Cant have more complexity on the design

[ionic folio]

Curse of Ra type shit

[rose laurel]

Ok bro turn down your words please

[fringe quiver]

the amount of times ive seen people ask "why xyz design element" without even stopping to think about what it symbolizes or the thematics of it

💥

[thick coyote]

just install the elemental design revert mod that will exist 10 seconds after their patch goes live or make it yourself

[arctic cliff]

true, i never really cared for common sand

[rose laurel]

Why is the Sunken Sea enemy not made of Sea Prisms and Eutrophic Sand?

[dusk bronze]

MONOPALETTES GO

[plush carbon]

Acid Rain ass design philosophy

[thick coyote]

why sulphur sea enemy not brown

[ionic folio]

Except it will suck because I'm making animations for attacks that the old ones never had ahahaha

[dusk bronze]

GRAAAAAHHHHH

[arctic cliff]

i think they like black blue and glowy blue things

[valid crypt]

Why doesnt every enemy have 300 layers of camouflage

[hushed hazel]

still praying for midra head brimmy..........................

[dense sundial]

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD 🗣️

[rose laurel]

OH YEAH WE CAN FUCKING DO THAT NOW FOR PHASE 2

[vivid hemlock]

why arent foxes green? are they stupid?

[rose laurel]

DIA

[arctic cliff]

not that the new designs are bad they're insanely goated if anything

[rose laurel]

DIA MIDRA HEAD BRIMMY

[ionic folio]

Yo

[cyan panther]

I will because butchering decent looking designs for biblically accurate Angel and pyramid is really fucking stupid

[ionic folio]

Yeah alright

[thick coyote]

what is midra head

[hushed hazel]

MIDRA HEAD BRIMMY

🙏

[lavish otter]

Would it be okay if I asked for context?

[agile latch]

Btw dia

Want to vc?

[boreal pewter]

Yea I agree
especially weird for the one that's a healer, though I guess with better execution something like that could have still worked

[ionic folio]

Elemental of the Frenzied Flame

[agile latch]

[dusk bronze]

google midra

[thick coyote]

could you like not be so vitriolic with your phrasing

[rose laurel]

MIDRA HEAD BRIMMY

[hushed hazel]

my goat....

[rose laurel]

‼️

[valid crypt]

Woman isnt a good design its just woman

[lavish otter]

...okay yeah, that's sick

[agile latch]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[hushed hazel]

MIDRA HEAD BRIMMY ‼️

[ionic folio]

I'm down

[wide nova]

[vivid hemlock]

MIDRA

[thick coyote]

oh cool

[agile latch]

Peak, joing caldevc

[dusk bronze]

i'm sending 739 gauss nukes to your coordinates

[agile latch]

I was planning a thing like that for

Fearmonger armor

[ionic folio]

Un momento, need to grab funny audio object

[plush carbon]

he's baiting you

[cyan panther]

Cool

[cyan panther]

At least it matches the thing it’s dropped from and based on

[wide nova]

[valid crypt]

The enemy elementals are also changing

Based on?

[thick coyote]

"vanilla has a bad design so calamity should follow through"

flawless logic

[cyan panther]

Why are we respriting vanilla shit now

[dusk bronze]

a+

[vivid hemlock]

guys just ignore this user

[dusk bronze]

vcvo

[vivid hemlock]

its not worth it

[plush carbon]

thats what i'm saying

[vivid hemlock]

vcvo is also not official

[arctic cliff]

They are not doing that.

[plush carbon]

but the ego man

[dense sundial]

ehhh i would not call vanilla sand elemental a bad design

[plush carbon]

must be right on the internet

[arctic cliff]

yknow what. im screenshotting this for future reference

[lavish otter]

Still a bit confused by this
I mean, I get that mods that're headed by devs don't automatically become official just because of that, but why is it not?

[thick coyote]

I find arguing with ragebaiters fun thats why i do it

[rose laurel]

The problem isn't Vanilla Sand Elemental, it's that Calamity decided to make every other Elemental exactly like it

[thick coyote]

i dont do anything i dont find fun when it comes to hobbies

[hushed hazel]

except for, of course, my goat earth elemental

🙏

[plush carbon]

goes hard

[lavish otter]

I feel like this is in a similar boat to VCMM, where there's no particular reason why it shouldn't be
At least, not that I can think of

[valid crypt]

Vcmm is official iirc

[vivid hemlock]

vcmm is officially endorsed

[lyric trellis]

So sad Lynel is a red blob now

[dense sundial]

[vivid hemlock]

vcvo isnt really

[cyan panther]

I’m not trying to ragebait

I genuinely think the current sand elemental designs would be better than pyramid

And biblically accurate cloud elemental seems boring and not fitting for just… random mini-boss

[lavish otter]

Exactly, that's what confuses me

[dusk bronze]

that makes it even worse

[rose laurel]

VCVO is not officially endorsed because other spriters don't agree with its vision

[lavish otter]

Ahhh, interesting

[dusk bronze]

obh

[rose laurel]

It's a project by Heart, not by the Calamity Dev Team

[hushed hazel]

reduced to The Shape

[vivid hemlock]

yeah

[hushed hazel]

heartbreaking

[cyan panther]

Like if you’re gonna make something look like a biblically accurate Angel

You’d think it’d be a boss

[vivid hemlock]

cool design =/= boss

[thick coyote]

is there a version of vcvo out

[lean relic]

like the one from...

[lean cave]

true calamity needs more bosses

[dusk bronze]

why
that's boring
get more creative

[vivid hemlock]

oh look nuclear terror is gonna be a boss now

[thick coyote]

"only bosses can look cool" but why

[dusk bronze]

break norms

[lapis oak]

wow you got baited

[valid crypt]

Why should it be?

[lapis oak]

shame on you

[lavish otter]

Honestly, it'd be cool to see something that is generally agreed upon in that case, but I realize that'd be a bit weird with the current existence of VCVO

[plush carbon]

All regular enemies must be Boring

[vivid hemlock]

shut up or ill poison your next ice cream

[lapis oak]

D;

wtf not my ice cream

[arctic cliff]

truth be told, to defend MoConnors, I do think it's weird that while the SUMMONED elementals are somewhat different compared to the enemy elementals, it's still outright weird for the summoned elemental to be COMPLETELY different from its original self

[rose laurel]

See the reason VCMM works is because the musicians have a lot less work to do than spriters too

[lavish otter]

Mostly because I'm really interested in how the dev team as a whole would interpret vanilla content as a part of Calamity, just in general

[rose laurel]

If an official form of VCVO happened while the sprite problem of Calamity was still there

Yeah

[loud bison]

this is the opposite of a hit post onnor

[wooden blade]

no

[loud bison]

i think minibosses can still look cool

[dull heart]

Hi

[thick coyote]

hi doze

[dense sundial]

chat can we set something straight

[dusk bronze]

what sprite problem

[arctic cliff]

especially since said self isn't really respriteable (in the sense that calamity is unwilling to directly change sprites of stuff in vanilla terraria)

[loud bison]

is that fucking doze back since april

[wooden blade]

hello john wulfrum

[dense sundial]

the "biblically accurate angel" is called an opan

[dull heart]

hi

[hushed hazel]

no it's pride month

[loud bison]

hi

[pulsar cobalt]

everything needs sprites

[rose laurel]

^

[dense sundial]

ok buddy

[dusk bronze]

right

[dull heart]

what if I spoiled something

[pulsar cobalt]

meanwhile the music is already 90% done

[lavish otter]

(Also, for the other conversation, something that admittedly irks me is how nowadays, people will just assume you're ragebaiting if you have an opinion that isn't generally agreed on, and stick to that opinion)

[lean relic]

Yesssss more food!!!

[dusk bronze]

i would be happy

[lavish otter]

Not to say I agree with it myself, but it's something that annoys me because I see it everywhere now

[lapis oak]

do it now

[loud bison]

opan opahim silver chariot isn't it all the same

/:joke

[dull heart]

too bad! i have nothing to spoil

[rose laurel]

Damn

[dense sundial]

ophanim is the plural of opan

[dusk bronze]

fuck you

[rose laurel]

You're evil

[lean relic]

[hushed hazel]

yea not particularly fond of this either

[dull heart]

patreon already got teasers of most of my work this week

[loud bison]

day ruined

[hushed hazel]

you're allowed to disagree with the direction they're going with the elementals

[pulsar cobalt]

you should send 100 pixels

[dusk bronze]

reb post dog thing here

[rose laurel]

No

[hushed hazel]

but you don't need to call the idea of making them more than just Women "fucking stupid"

[lavish otter]

Like, I get why, since there are a lot of people who genuinely just get into arguments for attention, but I think the reaction to that has gotten to a bit of an extreme by now

[valid crypt]

Isnt it dozes work

[rose laurel]

I posted it like, not even half a day ago in Patreon

[pulsar cobalt]

incredible

[dusk bronze]

the other thing

[rose laurel]

Gotta give patrons their money's worth y'know?

[dusk bronze]

understandable

[valid crypt]

Oh ok

[pulsar cobalt]

hey xzier y dont u just leak it

[lavish otter]

Because Discord rounds the corners of images, I thought this was just a bullet point

[cyan panther]

I just feel like pyramid is really boring and stereotypical for something desert related

“Ooh it’s a desert elemental let’s make it a pyramid” as if that’s more creative than “sand woman with sand powers”

[dull heart]

can't wait to give auric tier patrons something finally

[arctic cliff]

also i just prefer the idea of buff sand girl over funny illuminati pyramid.
like, simply put, i just find that more unique somehow

[dusk bronze]

it is actually more creative

[ionic folio]

No no no, y'see

[cyan panther]

And honestly

At the very least

Woman is more visually appealing than triangle

[ionic folio]

It's a pyramid that has an eye and shoots lasers

[vivid hemlock]

this guy is still going on about the elemental designs 💔

[dense sundial]

i have no take on illuminati sand elemental because i have not seen it

[dull heart]

@ triangle are you gonna take this slander

[arctic cliff]

i dont really care about the other elementals tho they can gender transition away from wom

[cyan panther]

Because that’s never been done before

[lavish otter]

Kind of also done to death, honestly

[dull heart]

clearly a woman hasn't been done before either

[pulsar cobalt]

hey how about this

[valid crypt]

Like woman hasnt been done before either

[pulsar cobalt]

all ideas suck and we should never do anything again

[lavish otter]

Like, I think it could be done well, but it isn't particularly creative

[lean cave]

nubby....

[pulsar cobalt]

because nothing is ever original

[arctic cliff]

quick i must react with shadow of abaddon pyramid boss

[dull heart]

sand elemental should just be

storm weaver

but sand

[thick coyote]

true

[pulsar cobalt]

all our thoughts are just a culmination of our previous thoughts and experiences

[dull heart]

sand weaver

[dusk bronze]

hired

[dense sundial]

🚬

[pulsar cobalt]

which means theyre ALL unoriginal

[lavish otter]

Sandstorm weaver

[arctic cliff]

desert scourge's husk

[azure oak]

make all elementals worms

[dull heart]

wait cook

[thick coyote]

yeah this ragebaiter is no longer fun beucase hes devolved into being hurtful to try to prove his point he doesnt actually believe sadly

[dull heart]

well

[thick coyote]

sad

[dull heart]

i should go finish being drunk

[hushed hazel]

💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[fringe quiver]

sandstorm weaver......................

[vivid hemlock]

sandstorm weaver is a crazy idea

[fringe quiver]

its just a storm weaver variant for the desert

not a new boss guys

[arctic cliff]

Selene i dont actually think he's ragebaiting, you just dont agree with his opinion

[hushed hazel]

we don't need to call Everyone who disagrees with this channel's general consensus a ragebaiter

[pulsar cobalt]

can we have hell weaver too

[valid crypt]

Make dog gemcave themed

[cyan panther]

I am not trying to ragebait Jesus Christ-

[fringe quiver]

just a little sprite variant

[vivid hemlock]

so fabsol pilled

[dull heart]

snowstorm weaver

[pulsar cobalt]

wait isnt that just convective wanderer

[lyric trellis]

So excited

[loud bison]

have you considered that you're being ragebaited into thinking you're ragebaiting

[lavish otter]

Then the post-ML variant, Hailstorm weaver

[dull heart]

tipsy here i come

[lean cave]

heater of worlds

[dull heart]

blizzard spinner

[cyan panther]

I just think pyramid sand elemental is boring

And I stand by that opinion

[cyan panther]

No

[vivid hemlock]

guys we're getting an isopod boss

[arctic cliff]

i mean i dont entirely agree with him either but if he was genuinely ragebaiting he'd be deliberately saying shit stuff that NOBODY here would like

[vivid hemlock]

trust me

[thick coyote]

my b

[rose laurel]

Why do you guys think that Dia is going to make the most boring and uninspired version of a design?

[hushed hazel]

people are allowed to disagree with the devs and they're allowed to explain their disagreement to the devs and the devs are allowed to choose whether or not they care

[vivid hemlock]

calamity players cant read

[dusk bronze]

i don't

[vivid hemlock]

we take everything literally

[lyric trellis]

Who’s we

[vivid hemlock]

for some reason

[lean cave]

sand elemental should just be a pile of sand

[arctic cliff]

yknow. fair. I'll go and make my conclusion later.

[pulsar cobalt]

because hes bad!! and i dont trust him!!!!!!!!

[dusk bronze]

nuance? on MY internet????

[agile latch]

because it dont reflect the vision of the full spriting team of the mod

again its the same case as my texture pack

[lyric trellis]

Piles of Sand Elenental’s dust

[rose laurel]

Piles of Elemental's dust

[agile latch]

my texture pack isnt a official cal project

[rose laurel]

LMAO

[lyric trellis]

😭

[lavish otter]

Wait, you have a texturpack?

[misty wren]

yeah

[pulsar cobalt]

armour texture pack

[cyan panther]

I doubt my opinion will change when the sprite gets shown but fair enough

Will refrain from further judgement until we get teased

[fringe quiver]

vcvo isn't a thing by all devs

[arctic cliff]

Sand Elemental is actually Kirby with the Sand ability

[fringe quiver]

it's by heart specifically

[lavish otter]

Ohhh, neat! Is it out already, or still in progress?

[vivid hemlock]

its out

[arctic cliff]

well out

[vivid hemlock]

but not finished

[fringe quiver]

i think some other devs r also working on it but idrm

i know heart is the owner/lead though

[lavish otter]

I see, I'll check that out though

[arctic cliff]

i know it because I've used it for a bit

[agile latch]

only metarex i think, although i dont think they do much in it?

no other spriter of the team is in it

[dense sundial]

fabsolian is an attack of the highest order and should not be spoken lightly

[agile latch]

(its mostly heart tho)

[dusk bronze]

gn dies

[pulsar cobalt]

hi tringle trangle

[rose laurel]

God bless Triangle for inventing the term "Fabsolian"

[pulsar cobalt]

fabsolisn

[rose laurel]

Die

[pulsar cobalt]

:3

not my fault u typod

[vivid hemlock]

typo

[azure oak]

where is it? i wanna check it out but i cant find it on the workshop

[vivid hemlock]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2971846821

[lavish otter]

The duality, "Fabsolian" and "Fabsolisn't"

[dry whale]

fabsolism

[dull heart]

so uh

i have a blooper

oops

[dry whale]

tungsten enchant

[pulsar cobalt]

is this ale

or well

tipsy

[lean relic]

TUNGSTEN ENCHANT

[lapis oak]

200% true melee size modifier is back 😨

[dull heart]

i may have done

+115% melee size

instead of +15%

[dry whale]

YESSSSSSSS

keep it

[vivid hemlock]

mixels 🥀

[lapis oak]

no

[pulsar cobalt]

pixel consistency? IN MY TERRARIA?!

never

[lapis oak]

it was removed before because weapons look like shit upscaled 💔

[thick coyote]

finally, true melee is viable for a normal player

[pulsar cobalt]

its not like theres

enemies with differing sizes

[dry whale]

idc

[dull heart]

base volcano for context

[dry whale]

keep it!!!1!

make true melee great again

[dull heart]

legendary + ale + the glove

[lean cave]

kill true melee

explode them

[dry whale]

NO!

[lyric trellis]

The Glove

[fierce nebula]

explode

[dry whale]

RAAAAHHHG

[thick coyote]

blow up

[boreal pewter]

Yea I absolutely hate melee weapon scaling
We already have to deal with variable attack speed compared to like every other class, is that not enough

[cinder hearth]

That thing was too big to be called a sword. Too big, too thick, too heavy and too rough. It was more like a large chunk of iron hellstone bars

[boreal pewter]

speaking of I dont know if ocotopod ever got its scale fixed

[dull heart]

did it get broken?

[lapis oak]

ocotopod?

[dense sundial]

15% doesn't do much, does it?

[dull heart]

oh

octopod is

very big

[boreal pewter]

it got a "item scale" increase that changed its sprite scale... and nothing else
hitbox was the same

[dense sundial]

like i've always thought titan glove is useless and that's 10%

[lapis oak]

oh Sleepy Octopod

[boreal pewter]

I mean, I think it should be 0% personally

[boreal pewter]

EPIC

[lapis oak]

ew wtf

[dull heart]

I think melee size is

a useful stat in moderation

[lapis oak]

😨 horrifying of a sight

[dull heart]

and ultimately since it's a vanilla feature, I will support it

mirror blade and mutilator (and anything else from my baseprojectile) automatically gets melee size and speed, unless I specify otherwise

[kind maple]

Test it with Murasama

[dry whale]

murasama has custom size

cannot be changed

[kind maple]

Aww

[dry whale]

[dull heart]

i could fix that

the melee sizening

[lapis oak]

fixing every fancy swords to be melee size and speed compatible

[dull heart]

yeah i'm not going to do that, but i will encourage the stats to be supported by other people

[kind maple]

200% size and 200% speed Exoblade

[dry whale]

make a +%500 weapon size accesory but it only affects lawnmower

[lean cave]

i mean

[arctic cliff]

cant wait for these new alcohol stuff

[lean cave]

you could just make lawnmower 500% bigger

[arctic cliff]

im genuinely excited

[lapis oak]

I should do

[high scaffold]

rogue specific alcohol would be nice

[kind maple]

[lyric trellis]

It’s planned

[high scaffold]

stealth based?

[lapis oak]

where you get the information from

[fringe quiver]

its a bit too small.

[lyric trellis]

Doze

[fringe quiver]

might be hard to hit enemies.

[kind maple]

Can’t wait to throw pans at mechs while drunk

[lapis oak]

I forgor...

[lapis oak]

omg....

hybrid support...

🥹

[pulsar cobalt]

amazing

anyways doze uhh

[dense sundial]

yknow what, haze being that actually makes a good deal of sense

[pulsar cobalt]

howd u do thanatowos

[high scaffold]

not my purple haze, noooo

[dense sundial]

alcohol gives you brain fog (brain Haze) so you can't Focus

[dull heart]

i got you

[dull heart]

don't worry, almost every alchohol is changing

[dry whale]

almost?

[arctic cliff]

not my purple haze, noooo

[kind maple]

I wanna do a rouge playthrough mainly for one singular weapon: pan from game with funny skeleton man

[dull heart]

old fashioned my beloved

[dry whale]

is everclear untouched or something

[dull heart]

and everclear

[arctic cliff]

baller effect tho

[dry whale]

good

[dense sundial]

please tell me everclear is rebalanced

[dull heart]

i haven't touched the balance of it

it has just sat there

[lyric trellis]

Everclear is now multiplicative have fun

[dull heart]

i don't use everclear so idk how well or poorly balanced it is

but it does what it's supposed to well so

[high scaffold]

my go to alcohol mix for mage is Star Beam Rye, Moonshine and Purple Haze

[dull heart]

well, it probably won't be that anymore

[high scaffold]

yeah

no more double +8% damage

[copper citrus]

Will the exo mechs have pets in the future?

[lapis oak]

every bosses

the pets are coming to your Master Mode right NOW

[dull heart]

I don't think that combination will directly add dmg at all

unless you use stealth

[high scaffold]

I am planning doing a rogue playtrough, but will the update release before that? no way

[wide orbit]

I’m gonna say probably not

[valid crypt]

For the like past over half a year we have always heard “a few months away” as a guess

[lapis oak]

still true

[vivid hemlock]

what did the angel say to the demon

[lapis oak]

it said "heartwarming"

😇

[wooden blade]

coming straight from YOUR master mode!

[arctic cliff]

Azafurian Lava Seal pup's first foray into sulfate lava

[dusty tinsel]

Lava seal unlocked

[vivid hemlock]

lava chicken broth

[brave star]

Pit Creechyure

[gritty torrent]

It's WHAT

[hasty tangle]

welcome back dimensional soul artifact

[dull schooner]

damn.

[buoyant pulsar]

i wonder if sunny finished scorched earth

also this got resprited right

[lyric trellis]

I was joking to be clear

Doze did mention maybe having dsa be an alcohol but like he said, Everclear is still the same rn

[brave star]

Finally

Got Clamitous

[buoyant pulsar]

if this was real then what happens to gilded proboscis :(

[pulsar cobalt]

i mean it can still work

just needs shorter range

[buoyant pulsar]

does it

spears are supposed to be long range :(

but i meant doze's rework

[pulsar cobalt]

ok but proboscis is comically long currently

[fringe quiver]

not like retheming weapons isn't out of the table either

hardmode giant clam weapons

[dusty tinsel]

Having bosses during the pillars stage seems weird why move pbg there once deus gets moved lol

[lyric trellis]

Did somebody say that somewhere

[pulsar cobalt]

yuh said it as a joke

[lyric trellis]

Actually Fluffy specifically said pbg post-cultist and I totally trust Fluffy

[dusty tinsel]

Both yuh and fluffy mentioned it, but it's a bad joke XD

[crimson dagger]

Will there eventually be more progression (as in, more bosses between) after Calamitas, before Yharim?

Because

I mean

There's this guy

[pulsar cobalt]

no

[vivid hemlock]

primordial wyrm is stinky and doesnt count

[fringe quiver]

jared...

rock golem

[dusty tinsel]

Jared is the best boss

[onyx garnet]

NO

[twin juniper]

Chat is the blurred brimmy design dead I couldn’t find it in the doc

[still bluff]

you should i'm known for never lying in cst

[pulsar cobalt]

hey fluffy is calamity adding a snapthorn + firecracker + mornirng star whips upgrade

[still bluff]

yea

[pulsar cobalt]

i KNEW it

[still bluff]

it'll make every minion hit do an autocritting 2.5x damage explosion

[misty wren]

how hard will you have to bully the other testers to balance it instead of you

[still bluff]

no i'll just tell them it's balanced and not to worry about it

[misty wren]

fair enough

[vivid hemlock]

its being remade

[mossy sapphire]

it's going to fking what

I get calamity isn't all that balanced but wtf

[dawn ferry]

that happened in my dream

[fringe quiver]

the mammoidean husk

[upper cosmos]

hey what was the proposed new desert scourge again

[cobalt wharf]

i dont think its proposed i think its just real

[upper cosmos]

ok. can you tell me

[fringe quiver]

its not public

[upper cosmos]

fair enough

[fringe quiver]

it has leg

we know thatmuhc

hes lizard not worm

[dusty tinsel]

Amphibious reptile

Salamander ds

[fringe quiver]

beloved

[still bluff]

the worm bsoses are the biggest secrets in cal obviously

[mossy sapphire]

ngl i wish they wouldn't change the current desert scourge to be more like fables

absolutely love the current design and i think it looks sick

[fringe quiver]

????

they're not doing that

[lyric trellis]

If anything it’s less like fables than ever cause it’s not just a worm lol

[stiff light]

i wish they made every building look like my house cause i love my house

[fringe quiver]

they're changing desert scourge because

1. the current design is not at all a good visual representation of what its supposed to be
2. the lack of Fabsol means they have far more freedom which means they can actually design the fight to be what they want it to be, which entails changes to the boss's ai and design
3. the current design is incredibly generic chief gonna be real

[fringe quiver]

also yeah this is literally as far from fables as it gets

literally any other design is closer to it 😭

[arctic cliff]

seeing that last point made me inexplicably once more annoyed at new dog sprite

[buoyant pulsar]

why does death expert astrum deus have so much fucking health man

[arctic cliff]

so i'll just get it out

[fringe quiver]

as a creature design lover new desert scourge has fed me and saved my dying family

it also cured my illnesses and gave me a billion dollars

[pulsar cobalt]

did it also make everyone at the starbucks clap

[arctic cliff]

hang on lemme write it like a suggestion but also a direct insult at the sprite itself not the artist

[fringe quiver]

mhm

thank you desert scourge

[summer shore]

desert scung

[thick coyote]

Overdone typing a novel

[vivid hemlock]

word

[arctic cliff]

sorry, but i needed to release this now

[vivid hemlock]

🔥

[thick coyote]

Cool fact: phrasing it as insulting the sprite doesn't work when you imply later in the text that some other artist should do it

[arctic cliff]

oh right...

hmm

there

[vivid hemlock]

i love my bluish purple metal tubes

[summer shore]

My fella this still reads like insulting the artist

[arctic cliff]

this is supposed to be unserious, but if it comes off as too mean i'll probably just nuke it

honestly actually

nah

this is lame

nah im over it

[thick coyote]

already saved the copypasta

/j

[arctic cliff]

watch some red nation save it and just post it all over the subreddit

[vivid hemlock]

sending this to heart right now

[arctic cliff]

i guess one last smork wouldnt hurt now

[pulsar cobalt]

already saved the copypasta NOT slash j

[thick coyote]

i did copy it and post it in my personal server i save all the dumb messages that amuse me

but i wont repost it

[arctic cliff]

yknow

same

[thick coyote]

but just know if you clown on an artist in the future.... 😈

[lapis oak]

sending it to Heart right now, it's over for you

[vivid hemlock]

[arctic cliff]

at least... the amgugu spreads...

[thick coyote]

btw the actual way to do it is to clown on the design and not even mention the sprite because i doubt the design was made by just heart

[arctic cliff]

yknow... true

the main issue for me isnt even how its sprited, nor even its size

its just how the design looks

[pulsar cobalt]

fun fact i just sent the message in another server that has everyone this server except u arent in it and we are ALL laughing

[thick coyote]

yeah i disagree with what you said but i understand your issues with the design

[arctic cliff]

like honestly lets just leave it at that

maybe i should just randomly in my own personal server just type out rants about things

[lapis oak]

wtf I'm not in...

😢

[pulsar cobalt]

ye its cuz we always laugh about adding electrons to u

😈

[whole carbon]

i am very hype for dog resprite i think itll fit the aesthetic of clamity a lot better than the previous one

[arctic cliff]

Maybe we should add electrons to every single one of the atoms of the new dog design

yes. ATOMS. not pixels, atoms.

[vivid hemlock]

@lapis oak what did the dog say to the cat

[arctic cliff]

im erasing the design from reality

[thick coyote]

The only thing i dont get is why the armored form is phase 1 iirc, does cal dev not think that "the armor was actually holding me back" is a peak trope

[lapis oak]

surely next changelogs patch on 25th

[thick coyote]

i am good on stuff today :P

patrons eating good today

[vivid hemlock]

feeding

[mossy sapphire]

the armored form is what now

also what ur saying doesn't make sense

[thick coyote]

wdym youve never seen that trope?

[mossy sapphire]

no like

you're saying you don't like how the armored form is his holding back form

yet you seem to like the trope of "armor was holding me back"

[thick coyote]

oh i mispoke

i meant to say it's phase 2 iirc

cuz like when it was fist shown it got posted with the phase 2 quote

didn't it

[hard copper]

weaver already kind of does that

why does it have armor anyway?

[thick coyote]

i dont know

weaver having armor makes no sense, it worked in old lore though

[arctic cliff]

It might be Draedon