calamity-update-talk

[summer shore]

that's not me

[misty wren]

clean it up shitboy

[vivid hemlock]

sending 25 carrier pigeons right now

[summer shore]

the definitive desert scourge resprite

[arctic cliff]

YES

thats the one i was trying to refer to

[lean relic]

"you can thirst over the dragon in private servers just stop doing it here "
"apparently yharon's hot"
"i mean there's a lot of fire"
top 10 silly conversation

[buoyant pulsar]

what is this

[lapis oak]

Numbers

[misty wren]

89
123456789
12345678910

[brave star]

Do the pigeons carry food

So that I can have a snack

[buoyant pulsar]

thank you

[brave star]

Are crows and wisp skippers cousins or fren

They kinda have the same color

[iron dew]

they are related to rage in some way

dia didnt explain them

[lapis oak]

Wow wow wow wow

Wtf new leak revealed

Rage getting numbers

👁️

[summer shore]

oh that's the rage rework I'm assuming

[orchid finch]

No way, is rage gonna be a style meter now?!

[lapis oak]

You know anything more about it

[summer shore]

I heard it from becca

dunno if she's ok with me spilling it

@rose laurel hi

[rose laurel]

Uuuuuh don't count on it too much it's still being workshopped

[valid crypt]

A

[lapis oak]

You the idea guy for this one Reb?

[rose laurel]

Yeah but it's probably gonna change a lot

Might not even really exist

Will definitely take a while to happen

If it even does

[lapis oak]

Cool

[terse dew]

🥺 rage relevant in the big year 1932

[summer shore]

rage relevant in 340 years

[raw pendant]

Tf this mean??

[willow mantle]

i don't know wether to say it's a devil may cry reference, or an ultrakill reference

[terse dew]

Paper Mario 😨

[summer shore]

ultrakill's style meter is based on dmc's iirc

Never played dmc so no clue if they feel similar or not

[orchid finch]

Wym, this is as clear as it can get

[orchid finch]

More of a DMC style meter if you ask me

[fathom girder]

Dmc is simpler

Dish out damage quickly and effectively and you get to SSS

Ultrakill's meter turns rooms into puzzles though, given how it forces you to swap weapons while ALSO being effective and efficient with them all

So probably dmc yeah

[stiff light]

yea

[modern grove]

Calamity goner talk

[prisma cipher]

Goner like

Like

UNDERTALE

HYPER GONER

[dusk bronze]

hey guys let's argue about miracle matter again

we haven't done that for a while

[prisma cipher]

I think miracle matter needed a resprite

Cuz it was just elemental weapons

But again

[dusk bronze]

you're stupid and should explode

[prisma cipher]

Nah

[cinder hearth]

02 is better

[modern grove]

Holy shit real Sauron

[hushed hazel]

holy fuck where

[modern grove]

I don't know how to say this but he's.... Erm, well let's just say, he's right behind you, :gulp :

[hushed hazel]

[lapis oak]

Wait those little things sprouted from the roots back are Exo Crystals?

[blazing totem]

guys is this a calamity mod leak 🥺🥺🥺

[summer shore]

Yes

Exo armor turns you into robert downey junior

[tidal steeple]

along with magnomaly cannon rework.

[hard hearth]

[azure oak]

mir ankle matter

[dusk bronze]

oh my god chicken brent

[azure oak]

a

[dusk bronze]

wait you made this originally?

[azure oak]

ye

[dusk bronze]

i thought triangle did lmao

you're just everywhere huh

[azure oak]

i guess

[fathom girder]

Holy dhit nuclear terror

[buoyant pulsar]

are they ever gonna rename chicken cannon or will we forever retain peak

[fierce nebula]

Whar is this for

[dusk bronze]

acid rain update

[azure oak]

eventual sulf sea / acid rain update

[dusk bronze]

probably before bco

(source: vibes)

[summer shore]

No need to change perfection

[indigo fog]

Lava Chicken Cannon

[summer shore]

No

[dusk bronze]

it's explosive as hell

[lean relic]

We have turkey cannon

[buoyant pulsar]

are they gonna remaster the explosion effect though

[dusk bronze]

no need to change perfection

[summer shore]

Idk

The perfection comment was for the name not the functionality

[dusk bronze]

it's for both

[summer shore]

no it wasn't

[dusk bronze]

a gauss nuke is heading to your coordinates

[summer shore]

a gauss nuke is something I can handle

[dusk bronze]

sending 11 more

[buoyant pulsar]

cloning altraxia 10 times

[tidal steeple]

what if 10k?

or not.

[buoyant pulsar]

MORE

MORE ALTRAXIA

[summer shore]

they will never have enough of me

[tidal steeple]

ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!

[buoyant pulsar]

you know, there should be vegan vampires that farm blood oranges

[amber furnace]

ravager rework tomorrow

[buoyant pulsar]

scorched earth rework tomorrow

[azure oak]

miracle matter tomorrow

[cinder hearth]

Mage best class tomorrow

[dawn ferry]

how long has it been since the last update

[cinder hearth]

One trillion years

[azure oak]

since last update, 15 days

since last content update, about a year and a month

just 2 or so more months and the time between bountiful harvest and SSO part 1 will have officially surpassed the time between rust & dust and the draedon update

currently the difference is around 70 days

so somewhere in august i guess

[mystic eagle]

Nuclear Terror is a literal terror now

[prisma cipher]

Crab hat

When

[fathom girder]

Yeah the bleeding face is terrifying

[modern grove]

This will be real in calamity mod na telefone in 6 weeks

[wooden blade]

Cnidrion's rework leak

[summer shore]

Sir horseshoe crab

Cousin of fables' sir nautilus

[modern grove]

Sir grouper (is actually an anthropomorphic nautilus)

[strange talon]

So i was bored and decided to open discord today

Then i got here and i see this

Why?

[thick coyote]

so that you cant get early golden fishing rod

btw you like

still technically can

if you're weird

theres just no reward for doing so

[strange talon]

Oh ok

[lilac needle]

u still can in the sense its just not giving a rod

[strange talon]

...

[lilac needle]

but children yearn for the sulphuric waters

and the alligators

[strange talon]

I would be mad about it but tbh i never fish so is whatever

[hoary edge]

i'd rather doing 30 fishing quests than feeding angler to crocs post SSO

[raw falcon]

„As a child i yearned for the Trashers“

[thick coyote]

you can still get a golden fishing rod easily during harmode with fishing quests

its guaranteed on 30 quests

so just use cosmolight

[strange talon]

Nice

[thick coyote]

👍

[strange talon]

I remember once, while using fargos mutant, i stacked like a bunch of anglers and fed the thrashers like 20 of them

[dusk bronze]

lmao

[modern grove]

I guess Fabsol hated fishing so he coded a mechanic to bypass it and get the best fishing rod

Which is lame as hell because fishing is pretty chill and cool

[hoary edge]

true

[amber elbow]

it’s been awhile since i played calamity i played like 8 months ago. how big of an update is this new content one? how much of a difference is it?

i can read the changelogs but i don’t know or remember much to know

[dusk bronze]

literally the biggest update in calamity history

by like 6 landslides

[amber elbow]

fr?

[dusk bronze]

i have a Giant Fucking List of everything it's adding so far

(dw mods it's an image now)

[amber elbow]

that’s pretty exciting then

[dusk bronze]

behold

it shall release (probably) this year

[vivid hemlock]

why did you include tundra enemy resprites...

[dusk bronze]

i said maybe

they look pretty finished to me

[vivid hemlock]

yes because they would just leave their ai like that

[dusk bronze]

i'll ask devs later

[amber elbow]

🙏

[vivid hemlock]

scope creep update has so much scope creep some people cant figure out if new sprites are for the update or not

[dusk bronze]

truth and real

[vivid hemlock]

i remember the days when the acid rain was supposed to be reworked in sso...

[dusk bronze]

the super sea overhaul

lmao

[vivid hemlock]

super sea overhaul coming to a tmodloader near you

[dusk bronze]

i wasn't there but it sounds hilarious in hindsight

[vivid hemlock]

yeah old duke rework wouldve been included too lmao

[dusk bronze]

[vivid hemlock]

oh god...

thinking back about it is even worse

sso wasnt even split into 2 updates at that time

so that would mean 4 boss reworks

[dusk bronze]

what's the fourth

unless you count gss

[vivid hemlock]

crabulon

[dusk bronze]

desert scoog
crabulon
duke
???

[vivid hemlock]

slime god

[dusk bronze]

right

[vivid hemlock]

got a "rework"

under the fabsolian regime

[dusk bronze]

the Rework*

[azure oak]

fabsolian rework aka slight ai tweak

[dull schooner]

new attack: fucking dies when it feels like it

[shut ridge]

What’s the jungle stohne for?

[vivid hemlock]

it just replaces normal stone

in the jungle

[thick coyote]

maybe im blind but

[shut ridge]

Why lol

[vivid hemlock]

idfk

[thick coyote]

is the DoG minor rework Doze has been working on not for SSO P1

[vivid hemlock]

heart made it one day

[dull schooner]

cooler visuals™️

[dusk bronze]

science isn't about why, it's about why not

[dull schooner]

fire quote

[dusk bronze]

not to my knowledge

[thick coyote]

proabbly a good thing its not on your list, red nation would run a mile with that if it was on your list

[vivid hemlock]

red nation has agents here i believe

[dusk bronze]

oh god

[vivid hemlock]

they check once in a while

[dusk bronze]

what have i done

[vivid hemlock]

or skim through the future content doc

[thick coyote]

that latias person who wont shut up about wanting to kill the angler is a red nation agent

[dusk bronze]

it would be really funny if the sub got closed again over sso's release window

[dull schooner]

making them sound like russian spies

[azure oak]

red nation, bane of any info about potential changes

[boreal edge]

Red Scare

[fathom girder]

Red nation, armchair dev elite strike force

[modern grove]

There should be a user that talks in riddles like wizards or dragons in fantasy books and those riddles are actually metaphorical spoilers for the update

[lofty leaf]

emsinem does that

[dawn ferry]

i dont do that

[lofty leaf]

crazy

[slate folio]

Feels like an entirely different mod at this point

Jesus fucking christ

Part 1 seems like the largest chunk of the two parts

[dusk bronze]

yeah p2 is microscopic in comparison

which is good

[dense sundial]

tobias desert scourge definitely feels like an entirely different mod (positive)

funny how easily the most interesting ds design i've seen has now come from calamity itself

[slate folio]

Watch it get scope creeped to oblivion

(like part 1)

[dusk bronze]

they have implemented measures to prevent that

(removing fabsol)

[slate folio]

true

Also

No more 500+ microscopic boss balancing changes every update and bugfix

[dusk bronze]

🙏

[hard hearth]

have fun for dog's 365th change this upcoming patch alone

😊

[slate folio]

💔

[late eagle]

Didn't know fabsol invented scope creep

[dusk bronze]

he very significantly contributed to it

as said by multiple devs

[slate folio]

I agree but are there any examples

[dusk bronze]

yes

[late eagle]

I've heard a lot of things about fabsol, but this isn't one of them.

And I don't think 'removing fabsol' changed much, honestly it was more a matter of organization

[dusk bronze]

dev has a cool relevant idea > fab vetoes it > dev goes "guess since i can't do that i'll do something else"

repeat until we have this image

they talked about it in calcast

[late eagle]

Having leaner updates was already their decision before anything else

[dusk bronze]

me when the discord message doesn't cover every possible topic of nuance

[plush carbon]

Yeah Fab turned this update's development into a fucking mess

[azure oak]

at this point SSO is kinda just multiple smaller updates worth of content wrapped around the actual focus

[dusk bronze]

mhm

[pulsar cobalt]

me when i put everything on one branch (biggest update in history)

[dull heart]

it would be, it's intended to fix fabsol making dog nearly unplayable in dev

[dusk bronze]

lfg

also please please please explain how brewing will work to mr mouth in cmt

it's hell

[dull heart]

i tried to before

[dense sundial]

bosses can be good

that is a pretty serious change from before

[dull heart]

they are too alchnpc pilled

[dusk bronze]

we just had a like 20 minute argument and my brain melted

[dull heart]

aghh trying to make DoG do even the simplest thing is horrible in fabcode

[azure oak]

how bad is fabsol's boss code

[late eagle]

I wasn't talking about that, but yes it's true

[dull heart]

i may just rewrite the entire boss to do the same thing but actually in a way that is easy to follow and edit

[valid crypt]

Tear dog up and start from scratch
-# this is a joke

[valid crypt]

Oh

[cinder hearth]

Tear dog up and start from scratch

[dense sundial]

yesterday i was browsing the github because i needed the leviathan meteor png

[valid crypt]

Lol??

[dull heart]

i don't think I will

BUT

i might

if i get frustrated enough with this

[valid crypt]

sso and the DoG update

[dusk bronze]

do it because it would be really really funny

[indigo fog]

Id say do it for the long run but maybe after sso part 1

[dull heart]

well when the real DoG rework actually comes his code is def being just

[late eagle]

God please let this be true

[dull heart]

entirely deleted

[dense sundial]

leviathan ai is literally a column of ifs and velocity tweaks

[late eagle]

🙏

[valid crypt]

Bruh

[dusk bronze]

imagine fab's most worked on boss, the most iconic in the mod, he's tweaked it hundreds of times, and you delete all his code

absolute cinema

[indigo fog]

Wouldn't have it any other way

[dense sundial]

scorched earth 🙏

[hard hearth]

they should just revert dog back to his 2018 self

[azure oak]

damn that is a lot of ifs

[hard hearth]

boss fight instantly fixed

[cinder hearth]

I imagine the devourer of gods code is like an excerpt from the tower of Babel at this point

[dense sundial]

you know the first thing ennway and tobias did for desert scourge rework? delete its entire ai file

[pulsar cobalt]

wait why were u in the cs file if u just needed a png

[valid crypt]

As they should

[dense sundial]

DISTRACTION!!!!!

[indigo fog]

Revert DoG to 2018 until it's new rework

[dull heart]

everything is so hard to follow

[pulsar cobalt]

fair tbh

[lean relic]

scal the goat
attack hasnt changed much since the beginning

[hard hearth]

terry n muse should work on dog rework lowkey..

[flat folio]

State isolation my beloved
It makes AI programming just so much easier than having it be tangled chunks of logic each having to account for each other in unison

[dull heart]

real

calamityGlobalNPC.newAI[2] += 1f;

this line kills me

newAI[2] is the phase timer

[hard hearth]

dont die

[valid crypt]

Why is the calamity npc global

[hard hearth]

pls

[flat folio]

GRAAAAAA
Using newAI in custom ModNPCs which can have their own named data

[dull heart]

newAI is fine if it was like

PhaseTimer++;```

this

or smth

i can see why you'd want newAI for auto netsync handling and all that

[azure oak]

i dont know how to actually read any variation of c so i'm just assuming this is bad code

[dull heart]

assuming it... does that

[dull heart]

i mean, you can tell that the second one makes the phase timer goes up

the first? no idea what is being added to without digging around

but yeah... I kinda wanna refactor this entire thing but it's likely not worth the effort to do so

[flat folio]

To my knowledge it doesn't by default, relying on manual usage of the SyncCalamityNPCAIArray packet, rather than smth automatic

But it's been years since I've really looked seriously at Cal's source so that could've changed

[indigo fog]

Well is it hard to work with? Or just a little frustrating

[dull heart]

it's difficult to find what's happening

very much so

[dull heart]

agh

so there's literally no reason to use it 😭

at least not in this way

[flat folio]

It's a bit of an antiquated design choice imo
For ModNPCs you'd have better luck using NPC.ai wrapped in properties and then using custom named, synced variables once the NPC.ai array is exhausted
And for NPCs that dun have a ModNPC you can access, such as vanilla bosses, you'd have better luck making a system that has self-contained data that functions like a ModNPC, rather than routing everything through a GlobalNPC god class with tacked on arrays to handle custom data. That's wut I ended up doing for WotM to change the Exo Mech AI code

But ofc it'd be a bit tricky to port over all the AI changes Cal makes to the latter system now

[dull heart]

yeah

relic of calamity being old

[dusk bronze]

doze have devs decided on silva corpse yet

[dull heart]

I have no idea

[dusk bronze]

fair enough

[dull heart]

idk what you even mean by that tbh

[dusk bronze]

silva's corpse might be visible at the bottom of the abyss

but nobody can decide

[lean relic]

lore people searching for spoiler food

[dull schooner]

seagulls

[mystic eagle]

But I haven't died yet

[dawn ferry]

is ts the mod of theseus

[indigo fog]

Fishing for spoilers

[cunning sequoia]

the crumb molecules are delicious this time of year

[vivid hemlock]

[hard hearth]

ayo

i know that game

[cunning sequoia]

last fiction

[hard hearth]

mfw ryu sucks at fishing

💔

[azure oak]

soon we will be only consuming atoms of spoilers until SSO finally releases

[plush carbon]

you know the image of the FNF kickstarter stretch goals where it's captioned "yall never getting this game"

Has someone done that with the weapon reworks image for SSO

[dense sundial]

really seems to be

like here's a thought i had last night

[tropic jolt]

yes

but doesn't every project become the ship of theseus eventually if development continues long enough?

[dense sundial]

fabsol nerfs moon lord for revengeance -> fabsol discovers prediction via moon lord -> fabsol adds prediction to old duke -> old duke prediction seen as an aspect of his character, being wise and cunning -> fish of theseus develops with said character

[cunning sequoia]

incroyable

[dense sundial]

an entire character exists because fabsol didn't like moon lord

[hard hearth]

incroyable

[tropic jolt]

clamtastic

[plush carbon]

Fabsol nerfs moon lord > 22

[hard hearth]

prediction when it sucks in terraria 🥀

[thick coyote]

Fabsol is the one who discovered prediction?

or is moon lord just how fabsol learned of it

[hard hearth]

latter

[thick coyote]

ah ok

discover to me = first time ever

so i was confused

[hard hearth]

redigit discovered moon lord prediction

[thick coyote]

true...

[hard hearth]

[thick coyote]

idk what red even does on the team

was he the boss designer

i guess was

[hard hearth]

red is defo the ideas guy

[thick coyote]

they dont do bosses anymore

[hard hearth]

he added terra toilet

[thick coyote]

[cunning sequoia]

i feel like red just does whatever he feels like nowadays

[plush carbon]

BOOM here comes Tongue of Cthulhu

[cunning sequoia]

most of the things ive heard of him implementing was "oh that'd be cool"

[vivid hemlock]

ultimate ideas developer

[hard hearth]

that sounds like an ideas guy yeah

[hard hearth]

me

im ideas guy

[cunning sequoia]

eindeas guy

[hard hearth]

das me

:D

[azure oak]

progression of acid rain minibosses will be fun

big goop, giant frog, fleshy shark, the horrors

[dense sundial]

what's goop

isn't the first one dumpster

[azure oak]

cragmaw

oh right dumpster is gonna exist

i guess big gator can be added to the list as well

[dense sundial]

always thought trasher was a weird name but the other new names make it cute

[cunning sequoia]

block tales

[vivid hemlock]

garblox

[lyric trellis]

Most excited for tier 3 to be more than gamma slime and nuclear terror spam

[plush carbon]

: (

[native thistle]

: )

[hard hearth]

gamma slime upgraded to omega slime

[cunning sequoia]

delta slime...

like the rune...

[azure oak]

devs should add yharim in a secret patch and just never tell anyone

[slate folio]

realest message in all of calmain

[hard hearth]

people would immediately find out via cheat sheet..

or any other npc spawner

[azure oak]

devs could simply hide it better

[hard hearth]

nop

[fringe quiver]

yharim will be the tf2 coconut png to calamity

[hard hearth]

impossible

[fringe quiver]

hes hidden in the game files and if you delete him the mod stops working

[hard hearth]

only valve knows how to fuck things up to that degree methinks

[slate folio]

make it so that if cheat sheet is enabled, it hides the NPC through whatever code and means possible

[azure oak]

tf2 coconut was a hoax

[slate folio]

blocking his image with a large

[fringe quiver]

that's what they want you to think...

[azure oak]

the coconut png is actually just used for a soldier taunt and nothing else

basically all textures can be deleted from tf2 without having the game break

add a 5 x 5 brick to the world that cant be removed in a random spot

[fringe quiver]

true

this sounds like something that'd be in community remix like unironically ngl

😭

[azure oak]

add fake yharim npc that crashes your pc if you try to spawn it

[dense sundial]

hunt has an image of charcoal ice cream that must be in the files for the mod to load

[fringe quiver]

🔥

[cunning sequoia]

except for some textures that are part of files that the game must run like for maps

meaning the 2fort cardboard cow is integral for the game to work by proxy

[lean relic]

🍨

[azure oak]

reject coconut, embrace cardboard cow

[cunning sequoia]

my beloved

[vivid hemlock]

wonderous

[thick coyote]

Jarvis, delete the load bearing Goku.png

[dull heart]

i am cooking

[thick coyote]

oh?

[azure oak]

7

71 days until time between BH and SSO part 1 is longer than between R&D and draedon update

[thorny glacier]

part 1 and it still not gonna be finished?;(

[azure oak]

release date for part 1 isnt known, not even by the devs

maybe it'll drop next week, maybe it'll drop in december

[thorny glacier]

Truly hope it’ll be former, and I actually don’t mind there being just part 1, everyone is exhausted with waiting for this accursed update

[azure oak]

maybe not as far as december but personally i expect it to not be for a couple extra months

[late eagle]

Adding more 2 years right now

[thorny glacier]

Hell naw!!!!

[agile latch]

after yharon dies, 23 bumblebirds appear and drain his body

Leaving only the skeleton behind

[vivid hemlock]

supreme dragonfolly boss

[pulsar cobalt]

FUTURE BOSSES

[modern grove]

dragon god folly

[vivid hemlock]

sending this to red nation immediately

[modern grove]

consumed auric soul of rebirth

and was reincarnated as an oak tree

old and wise and mystical

[wicked pewter]

Sprouts up and just starts throwing life advice your way

[buoyant pulsar]

oh fuck now that i think about it... how many amazing ideas are just lost to the void cause they were vetoed

[trail oriole]

fable

[buoyant pulsar]

they're reworking... seven magic guns? should i just stop my magic gun playthrough rn?

[buoyant pulsar]

yeah i guess that makes sense

[fringe quiver]

whgat ca almtiy

[azure oak]

At least modernizing the weapons and accessories is part of modernizing the mod as a whole... i guess.

[fringe quiver]

boys hungry

more weapon reworks

[azure oak]

Modernizing items alone doesnt modernize the entire mod though

[cinder hearth]

Holy shit I just noticed SHPC in reworks

Let's fucking goooo

[modern grove]

The cycle of death and rebirth

The cycle of jand and restart

[cinder hearth]

Well, modernize weapons/accessories (that list and probably more) , modernize enemies/bosses (resprites and reworks), modernize biomes (like SSO and sulphurous sea)

That's essentially modernizing most of the mod ain't it

(yes I know there's way more stuff)

Oh also modernizing systems like alcohols

[dense sundial]

add things to do that aren't gear and biomes and bosses

like the trading crabs, quests, story and lore tidbits

[fringe quiver]

add my oc

his name is gluppungus the third

[arctic cliff]

i remembered seeing a guy (that i incidentally was talking to a few minutes prior on wotgcord) coming here to complain about how while weapon reworks were cool and all, the bosses didn't seem to be focused on well enough, especially given the most recent big update's bosses.... being well, yknow.

they immediately got ganged on by the people at the time

so ya

[dense sundial]

one person practically dictated the entire community atmosphere

ain't that crazy

[primal badge]

I read that as trading cards

[lyric trellis]

New Calamity merch

[arctic cliff]

i have no clue how i got away with yelling at fabsol a few days prior to the self-destruction sequence

[lyric trellis]

Actually isn’t here some vanilla Terraria cards or something

Calamity dlc

[dull heart]

yup

[azure oak]

Cookin' what?

[lapis oak]

Cooking some noodles

[thick coyote]

dont think doze can say

:(

:(((((

[azure oak]

Unfortunate

[fringe quiver]

amidias boss fight

[thick coyote]

that would be so peak

but isnt that what king clam is

i assume it is

[lapis oak]

Adidas boss

[arctic cliff]

what the fuck was i on last month

[fluid moon]

something true and beautiful

[fringe quiver]

honestly it was a joke but i can see it

i mean amidias won't be inside of giant/king clam anymore but i wouldnt b surprised if it was related to him somehow

[pulsar cobalt]

amidias sparring match

hed be like "i may be a monarch, but i was taught a few ways with the spear" and then fucking rock your shit

[thick coyote]

i could see a situation where you get attacked by him beucase he thinks your're some looter or something

im sure theres been looters/treasure hunters

[fringe quiver]

what is this

some sort of

spear of justice

[raw falcon]

Amidas breaks out the giant clam sysiphus style to whoop your ass personally

[pulsar cobalt]

‼️

[raw falcon]

this truely has been a tale of a cruel world

[cunning sequoia]

🔨

[fringe quiver]

🔨 🐢

[raw falcon]

spoilers!!!

[vivid hemlock]

gertrude

[pulsar cobalt]

i wonder wat this could mean

[cunning sequoia]

wdym spoilers

thats me

im hammer

[pulsar cobalt]

nah we r just talking about hammer bros

from mario

[hasty hawk]

“GYAH HAH HAH!”

[fringe quiver]

yesssss

[cunning sequoia]

yep

thats what i say

[raw falcon]

yharim vs 🔨 who'd win

[lean cave]

when i first heard it i immedietly thought

[fringe quiver]

yharim when i throw a pipe bomb at him

[raw falcon]

yharim when im old

[night lava]

🔨 no diffs 99% of fiction

[fringe quiver]

beach....

[vivid hemlock]

which is stronger

the duke of truths or the duke of elderliness

[fringe quiver]

im old...

truly

20, hag

[cinder hearth]

Truth often hurts

Therefore

Duke of truths

[valid crypt]

ok but backpain from being old also prob hurts

[lapis oak]

Truthduke

[tropic jolt]

yharim uses a large magnet to steal the hammer

[pulsar cobalt]

ur OLD

ur turning to DUST

i can hear ur bones CREAKING

[dawn ferry]

ok unc

[fringe quiver]

[pulsar cobalt]

yup just like calamitas

grey hairs

everywhere

[fringe quiver]

20, hag...............

ill be fossilizedc soon

[pulsar cobalt]

fucking GRANDMA

how was it like seeing fish turning into MAMMALS

[fringe quiver]

i miss anomalocaris

[thick coyote]

oh if shes a grandma

then wtf am i

i may as well be 6 feet under

[pulsar cobalt]

u saw the fucking moon FORM

IN REAL TIME

[vivid hemlock]

tsuki i know you were there when the earth was forming

born when the protoplanetary disk still existed

[dawn ferry]

literally the void that existed before creation

[lapis oak]

Tuki you're like, ancient artifact

don't bully the youngling like that

[vivid hemlock]

sadly not as old as seeker of knowledge

[valid crypt]

everyone is younger then 1233popcorn

[fringe quiver]

except merkalto

[lean cave]

im already fossilized 😔

[dull heart]

no

[lavish otter]

I looked them up because I felt like I recognized that name, and the first thing I saw was

"joe biden
allowed the tribunal to ascend using the heart of lorkhan
how does this affect cal lore??"

"it made Yharim a socialist"

[misty wren]

amidias superboss fight

[terse dew]

Who

[lavish otter]

Perhaps I made a mistake by muting lore discussion

[fringe quiver]

amidias boss fight 😨

[dull heart]

maybe

[pulsar cobalt]

amidias miniboss fight

[dull heart]

(read: no)

i should find some more things to cook

[lapis oak]

are you a masterchef

(yes)

[dull heart]

yes

[pulsar cobalt]

make all the enemies

[lapis oak]

🥹

[dull heart]

i cooked with gilded proboscis

and everything since then

and mirror blade

[pulsar cobalt]

u should show us then

[silk terrace]

mirror blade is very fun true

[lapis oak]

omg the tease has been going crazy these days

[dense sundial]

Spin a wheel that has every useStyle1 weapon on it (or go to the fish mines)

[hard copper]

make dog not bad

[dull heart]

done

[hard copper]

[lapis oak]

oooo so exciting

[vivid hemlock]

[lapis oak]

how much aggressive is he gonna be....

[cinder hearth]

Cook a mech tier mage weapon

[pulsar cobalt]

make yharon not bad

[dull heart]

no

[cinder hearth]

Damn

[buoyant pulsar]

yharon permanent bad

[cinder hearth]

Welp I tried

[dull heart]

dog was literally so bad in dev like

i can't even explain it

it just sucked

[buoyant pulsar]

scorched earth rework tomorrow

[cinder hearth]

Dog first boss to hurt someone IRL

[dull heart]

all that was chaanged was losing body lasers

[pulsar cobalt]

u should show off how it was before u changed it

[dull heart]

no (too lazy)

[pulsar cobalt]

fuck u

[misty wren]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Phaseslayer

[lapis oak]

basically stand still

you know it

[dull heart]

dog locks phaseslayer

therefor

[hard copper]

its just current fight but no body lasers?

[lapis oak]

ye

[dull heart]

being able to use phaseslayer is dog's faul

[dull heart]

yes

and it's so bad

[lean cave]

can you record it or is that too much of a leak 😔

[hard copper]

[lapis oak]

stand still fight

incredible

[dull heart]

i am too lazy to do so

[lean cave]

im really curious how bad it was

[rose laurel]

Doze COOKED man

[lean cave]

[pulsar cobalt]

reb

[rose laurel]

Sadly the ingredients were shit and piss

[pulsar cobalt]

can YOU show us how dog was in dev

[rose laurel]

No

[pulsar cobalt]

why

[rose laurel]

Body laser-less DoG is just gone

[hard copper]

just imagine current fight but with no body lasers? its not hard if you try

[rose laurel]

Also idk how to mess with Github

[dull heart]

it's not just gone... it's still on the main branch

[rose laurel]

Skull

Honestly that's like, my biggest problem with Fab ngl

[dull heart]

fabsol pushing everything straight to main killed me

[rose laurel]

Bro just committed everything to the main branch with no care and left shit unfinished

[dull heart]

yeah

he commited untested boss AI changes that didn't even work to main 😭

[rose laurel]

I tried telling him to do Boss stuff on a branch to make sure that they didn't hold anything off but that didn't lead anywhere

[dull heart]

i kinda wanna show the blooper of that

[pulsar cobalt]

"trust me it works"

[silk terrace]

tempering expectations a bit: i won't call dog a good fight now

the base is just not workable at all without a full rework. but it is better. with the extreme limitations that doze has to work with it is a pretty huge improvement

[pulsar cobalt]

[misty wren]

there were portions of certain boss ais that didnt do anything except let you cheese the boss

[silk terrace]

he did indeed cook

[buoyant pulsar]

wait whats the

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-KwYX2u8e4

[dull heart]

honestly the round 2 of changes made another big difference

[misty wren]

see: dragonfolly true melee cheese

[dull heart]

it's not great but like

[buoyant pulsar]

the directed by robert d weide

[rose laurel]

Doze made essentially the best version DoG can be with what is currently on the table. Don't expect an actually good Boss but expect something bearable until then

[buoyant pulsar]

make a compilation with that song

[silk terrace]

haven't gotten the chance to yet, will do it a bit later

finishing scorched earth

[dull heart]

fair

[rose laurel]

At worst DoG will be white noise for now

[dull heart]

at worst, DoG now looks cooler

[silk terrace]

will definitely fight it today and give thoughts on it

[lapis oak]

looks??

[cinder hearth]

Rebecca I'm already hyped for SSO, you can't do this to me

[dull heart]

(very slightly cooler)

[buoyant pulsar]

RAHHHHHHH

[pulsar cobalt]

visual changes can exist

[dull heart]

(nothing changed sprite wise)

[lapis oak]

shaddup

[pulsar cobalt]

like giving fireballs a trail

[dull heart]

i just realized I forgot to upgrade my solar wings when testing dog 💀

[rose laurel]

The best thing to most people I believe will be the fact that DoG doesn't deal 500 trillion damage now

[lean cave]

499 trillion

[rose laurel]

We've been having a lot of talks about how Boss damage numbers in Cal are just

💀

I made an average yesterday

[lean cave]

yeah, boss damage is really interesting so going more into them is pretty cool

[misty wren]

499,999,999,999,999 instead of 500,000,000,000,000

[lean cave]

like later game damage is uhhhhh very interesting

[misty wren]

ares has what like 400 base on all its attacks

[rose laurel]

Boss damage averages in Revengeance

Moon Lord - 230
Guardians - 243
Dragonfolly - 252
Providence - 259
Storm Weaver - 273
Ceaseless Void - 308
Signus - 309
Polterghast - 289
Old Duke - 348
Devourer of Gods - 455
Yharon 456 not counting Bordernado, 479 counting
Exo Mechs - 465
Supreme Calamitas - 539

[lean cave]

boost signus to 1000 tbh....

mf needs it

[stiff light]

blah

[misty wren]

that doesnt fix the actual issue with signus

[pulsar cobalt]

would still be one of the easier bosses

[lean cave]

oh yeah for sure

[lean cave]

the easiest

[lapis oak]

give Signus dash instakill 🤭

[lean cave]

yeah scal with 500 is hilarious

[stiff light]

give signus a hug

[rose laurel]

Yharon being exactly 1 number above DoG is funny

[silk terrace]

dog's base damage was for a boss that barely interacted with you at all and just shot lasers at you

turns out, when you actually make the god eating worm chase you down the head damage is way too much

who knew

[lean cave]

omg....

[cinder hearth]

I know it's not the same difficulty as the one you analyzed but Holy shit I just looked at Scal damage numbers in Master mode

Fucking 1020 from a dash?

[silk terrace]

get real

[rose laurel]

Yeah uh

[lean cave]

simply jsut dodge

[rose laurel]

SCal's values get very 💀 in Master

[pulsar cobalt]

dash is certainly a move scal can perform

[rose laurel]

Rev is already a bit much

[lean cave]

1k is such a funny fucking number

[rose laurel]

Master just goes "fuck you"

[pulsar cobalt]

(why the fuck does she have a dash its so easy to avoid)

[lean cave]

when your max health is like 900 😭

[cinder hearth]

The lowest damage from her is 750 I can't even make this shit up

[lapis oak]

I see you got hit by a dash don't lie

[upper cosmos]

good boss design

[pulsar cobalt]

((why is this mage doing a close combat move??))

[misty wren]

its like. your car is 17 years old and barely runs. so you change the oil. like sure the oil change keeps the car going but the fact is the car is still 17 years old and you probably need a new one

[cinder hearth]

Ok but

Glorious end is literally the same thing

[upper cosmos]

-# sweeps me writing mages in close combat under the rug

[cinder hearth]

And it's the best mage weapon for like most of HM

[rose laurel]

Remnants from when SCal was an eyeball

[dull heart]

i'm ngl I don't even thing DoG is the hardest base to work with of the current fabsol bosses

[hard copper]

Her hurt box gets so small when she does the dash as well, way easier to dodge then yharon for example.

[stiff light]

remnants,,,.,,,,

[cinder hearth]

I'm gonna shoot a random guess and say ravager?

[dull heart]

actually no

[pearl sentinel]

i love only getting 2 hits !!!

[upper cosmos]

I'm guessing it was the one that was just straight up nuked?

[misty wren]

ravager is actually pretty workable with what it currently has

[pulsar cobalt]

glorious end is a fucking bomb that detonates anything

[dull heart]

I have no idea what to do with Polter or Signus though

without full on reworks

[pulsar cobalt]

meanwhile her dash just transforms her shield

to

not a shield

[rose laurel]

You get me, Doze

[misty wren]

well no it turns the shield into a different kind of shield

[dull heart]

polter predictive dashes make a return...

[pearl sentinel]

[rose laurel]

I think Signus is the single most unsalvageable Boss in the Mod rn

[dull heart]

i agree

[pulsar cobalt]

make signus "projectiles" actual projectiles

[rose laurel]

It's literally three AIs stapled together

[cinder hearth]

Give signus bat AI

[lean cave]

guy that floats at you with killable projectiles

[upper cosmos]

wow

[dull heart]

PBG 2

but with weaker NPCs

[upper cosmos]

what ais lol

[dull heart]

and no plague

[pearl sentinel]

make new signus fight like the Spamton fight in ch2 where you have to pick the right dialogue options for his deals

trust

[cinder hearth]

NGL

I find PBG actually pretty fun

[lean cave]

i don't

at least current

[cinder hearth]

I just find it fun to dodge somehow

The diagonal dashes

[misty wren]

i think the best way to even somewhat fix polter is to make it and the clone dash separately in phase 3

[lean cave]

make them alternate

[hard copper]

Corite, idk the other 2

[lean cave]

to try to throw you off or something

[pearl sentinel]

so then clearly you just turn polterghast into ||Jackenstein||

[rose laurel]

I love PBG but I gotta agree that fight is only good because she spends 80% of the time doing the two attacks that are actually fun to dodge and not

[misty wren]

because otherwise it flat out just never dashes

[rose laurel]

Homing stinger

[cinder hearth]

True!

[lean cave]

stinger and dashes are like

yucky rn

[cinder hearth]

Ok also a bit unrelated but fuck plantera missiles

Lingering projectiles my beloathed

[misty wren]

there have been times where just from wiggling around i kept polter p3 from dashing for around 30 seconds

[lean cave]

make it so polter isn't locked to corners

[dull heart]

what if

i just made it so it accels faster

to the spot

[pearl sentinel]

i guess it never really occured to me how bad a lot of the cal bosses are

[cinder hearth]

Honestly I wonder if the clone could literally be chained to the main body and make only the clone dash, but it drags the body behind it or something

Idk how you'd program it but it seems pretty cool

[pearl sentinel]

i was just vibing icl

[lapis oak]

vibing with my weapons

[brave star]

The calsad population

[cinder hearth]

Honestly there's quite a few good ones but there's also some stinkers

[pearl sentinel]

auntie status

[lean cave]

im curious, which ones do you think are good

cuz yeah there are a few

[raw falcon]

REAL, I had this idea where the clone is like, suspended from the machine and puppeteered like a marionette

[misty wren]

(we're talking about polter not calclone)

[raw falcon]

o

[boreal edge]

I should make a tierlist of Calamity bosses based on how salvageable they are

[lapis oak]

new tier list just dropped

[misty wren]

most salvageable is probably yharon because that needs like 2 or 3 changes at most

[lean cave]

TRUE

[pearl sentinel]

fnaf 6 reference i believe

[silk terrace]

that'd be fun

[dull heart]

most salvagable is provi by a long shot

[boreal pewter]

“Has potential” tier about to be filled with 25 bosses

[boreal edge]

Okay lemme find a tierlist

[silk terrace]

can we make a tier just for brain

[cobalt wharf]

prov deserves her own tier she just doesn’t need to be very different at all

[misty wren]

provi and yharon are close

yharon really just needs changes to bullet hell speed and density

[lean cave]

honestly, just visual updates on provi attacks would go hard

[pulsar cobalt]

[cinder hearth]

Providence first of all, Calclone, Brimstone elemental, Cryogen (only if the arena is big enough because otherwise the mines just infuriate me), Leviathan and Anahita, PBG, exo Mechs, and kinda hive mind.

These are ones I like the most. Then I like the twins changes, skeletron changes, lunatic cultist changes, and most but not all plantera changes.

[tropic jolt]

providence is already very fun to fight in my opinion

[cinder hearth]

Yeah

[tropic jolt]

definitely one of the best bosses in the mod

[dull heart]

and damage

and some other things

[upper cosmos]

are exos salvageable at all. like is there a way to untape them

[lean cave]

hmm, interesting

[dull schooner]

-# the answer is bringing back malice exos

[lean cave]

didn't lucille make a new slate on exos or something

[tropic jolt]

eternity exo mechs yes

[misty wren]

there are ways to make them better but it would be tough to get the whole thing to modern standards

[dull heart]

they need WAY more thn just untaping them

[lean cave]

no no no

[cinder hearth]

Most of these have some changes I'd like to see made but it's what I'd consider to be fun

[upper cosmos]

yeah. but I mean like. step one

[lean cave]

this was after eternity exos lmao

[upper cosmos]

(probably not actually step 1 I don't know how coding works)

[tropic jolt]

step one is to remove the phase where you fight all three mechs at once because it sucks

[pearl sentinel]

incorrect buzzer

thats the best part

its hype

its aura

[tropic jolt]

my opinion is objective

😤

[lapis oak]

all mechs are awesome

insane aura

[pearl sentinel]

step one is to keep the phase where you fight all three mechs at once because it rules

[lapis oak]

turning a gank into your advantage

like... HOLY

[tropic jolt]

ares stole all the awesomeness from the other mechs

[pearl sentinel]

literally

you get it kiri

so based

[cinder hearth]

The problem is that you could make a wonderful plate of carbonara with Fabsol code (because it's spaghetti code) so like, as far as I understand, it's often better to restart from essentially scratch

[misty wren]

twins ults in solo phase need mega changes
ares... idk it suffers hard from being locked to the top of your screen and its designed around that so it probably would need a full on rework
thanatos is unsaveable rip the whole thing out and start over

[pearl sentinel]

thanatos is sick wdym

[lean cave]

💔

[lavish otter]

Random thought, but I think it'd be cool to see an interpretation of what Vanilla bosses might've looked like if they were made for Calamity originally

[pulsar cobalt]

magnet thanatos

[lean cave]

his special attack is easier than his normal attack

[pearl sentinel]

okay but they should keep having to fly to its mouth

its insane aura

[lean cave]

also not very intuitive

[pearl sentinel]

make it more intuitive its too cool in my mind

[fringe quiver]

reverse vanillamity

[misty wren]

special attack is also way more unique than the normal attack

[pearl sentinel]

when i become a calamity developer i will make exo mechs in my image. also i will add 300 real fish to the abyss.
i have ideaes.

[vivid hemlock]

ideas guy central

[lean cave]

the beam itself is cool, its just the attack is just idk

[lavish otter]

Wait...somehow through this, I remembered that this is kind of what VCVO will be

[lavish otter]

So that's cool

[dull heart]

i should give DoG like

[lapis oak]

Ares should have special normal attacks and other Mechs should have special Miracle Blight attacks

[dull heart]

t hanos beam

[cunning sequoia]

when i become a calamity developer i will d i e

[misty wren]

utterly incomprehensible image

[misty wren]

i only read this at first

[pulsar cobalt]

it was a sketch done by orios user of a convo here

[pearl sentinel]

its completely comprehensible you just

idk

it makes perfect sense

[misty wren]

ok its still utterly incomprehensible

[pulsar cobalt]

if you are developing then you are making

[fringe quiver]

it makes perfect sense ill be real with you

[cunning sequoia]

youre utterly incomprehensible

[fringe quiver]

like idk what to say dude skill issue

[misty wren]

if i showed that to someone that didnt have any context for it they would not understand at all

[fringe quiver]

they would

[pearl sentinel]

they would

[lavish otter]

Basically, it's based on a concept where Thanatos' segments would be individual mechs strung together by the same energy that holds Ares' arms up

[lean cave]

wait hear me out....

[cunning sequoia]

what if we killed.....

jacob...

[fringe quiver]

jacob will be sent to hell in 5 minutes

[misty wren]

mods eat garbo

[cunning sequoia]

no

[lean cave]

imagine if you bring back the old polter names and added then to clones and add a 3rd clone....

[pulsar cobalt]

they would considering it was posted in another server with barely context and other people understood it

[boreal pewter]

mine

[dull heart]

hmm i may have made true melee clockwork bow

[pearl sentinel]

fella just has no comprehension

[cunning sequoia]

:(

[dull heart]

oops

[vivid hemlock]

necroghast 🥀

[lavish otter]

Which speaking of...I get the vision, but hear me out, they should use this idea for DoG

[pearl sentinel]

turn off the stove i think

[lapis oak]

the fuck? stop cooking 💔

[dull heart]

did i hear give DoG ares arms

[misty wren]

it suffers hard from clarity

[lean cave]

cv 💔

[pearl sentinel]

tf is the thing next to EoC

[lean cave]

thats gonna be so fun

[lavish otter]

I mean, imagine if he was like those jellyfish that're actually a collection of smaller creatures that make up one larger body?

[pearl sentinel]

i

[boreal pewter]

my least favorite boss :D

[cunning sequoia]

only if its tiny gfb DoG

[pearl sentinel]

dont think he is

[agile latch]

Throwing rotten eggs at xyk for placing guardians there

[thick coyote]

why does ceasless have its own tier?

[lean cave]

its just yeah, ram boss lol

[thick coyote]

i like ceasless

[lavish otter]

It's a conceptual thing

[dull heart]

aureus slander..

[misty wren]

i get its a sketch but like what the fuck is this supposed to be

[lean cave]

but like its uhhh

idek

[lavish otter]

Segment

[mystic eagle]

Tbf I wouldn't say that Guardians need AI changes, the defender just needs more health

[lean cave]

things just happen

[cunning sequoia]

see, doze gets it

😁

[agile latch]

Dog is scorched earth xyk.. same for crab

[flat folio]

Maybe

[boreal pewter]

even the stuff in the top tier I would want some changes for. just much less than others

[fringe quiver]

kill crab

crab is the single lamest boss in calamity...

[cunning sequoia]

truee

[pulsar cobalt]

signus

[agile latch]

Crab is

[cunning sequoia]

signus has potential to be cool

[pearl sentinel]

very clearly a segment

[vivid hemlock]

crab is just projectiles

[cunning sequoia]

crab exists unfortunately

[fringe quiver]

EXCITING ATTACK PATTERNS ‼️
walks left
walks right
spawns projectiles that don't even do anything they just fall down
jumps

[thick coyote]

Signus has cool lore at least

Crab just exists

[misty wren]

at least signus has baller lore to go along with it

[cinder hearth]

Crabulon got a banger theme tho

[pearl sentinel]

yeah thinking about it a lot of these bosses suck poop from a butt but they aura farm like crazy icl

[boreal pewter]

If crab was half the size he would already be a better boss

[cunning sequoia]

every single boss:

[thick coyote]

all of them do...

[cinder hearth]

Signus shares his

[dull heart]

how to fix cal clone: give her box

[mystic eagle]

Literally every except SPrime:

[pulsar cobalt]

how to fix calclone make her scal

[cunning sequoia]

boss 1 is still good tbh

[thick coyote]

🍅

[rose laurel]

I have a very conflicting opinion of Crabulon in that I think the fight is really fun, the problem is that it's literally just a trillion mushrooms

[fringe quiver]

why not sprime specifically

[cunning sequoia]

even if it doesnt have a vcmm song

[thick coyote]

rare doze l

[cinder hearth]

Calamity extra music mod:

[rose laurel]

Dodging the mushrooms is fun but Crabulon has literally nothing else going for it

[mystic eagle]

Doesn't really fit imo

[thick coyote]

I love my ear drums dying

[cunning sequoia]

not official 🛑

[cinder hearth]

Hell yeah!

[cunning sequoia]

i wish they all shared boss 3 cause boss 3 is awesome

[mystic eagle]

Not official 🦈

[dull heart]

no but actually calclone mostly needs entirely new brothers, some changes in her attack pattern, and something to keep you from rungodding for eternity

a box would solve rungodding...

[thick coyote]

idea: give all bosses box

[rose laurel]

Don't forget Seekers

[cunning sequoia]

let's box doze

[fringe quiver]

i can't wait for el pirata crabulon...

[dull heart]

seekers are not good but they're not abhorrent in her fight

[rose laurel]

ONE PIECE CRABULON!!!!!

[cinder hearth]

I have calamity extra music, vanilla calamity music, normal calamity music

The only music that's the same from vanilla I think is like hallowed

[flat folio]

Fargos ring arenas............................

[mystic eagle]

It looks like we're in some sort of Undertale

[dull heart]

i actually

[misty wren]

fixed her

[pulsar cobalt]

its like theres some sort of deltarune

[thick coyote]

cinema

[dull heart]

the other day i tried putting CV forced in the middle of the archive

[lyric trellis]

Meet the potential man mod

[dull heart]

with a fargo ring

it was interesting

[mystic eagle]

CalClone unboxing video

[fringe quiver]

the thing with the current boss fights is that i agree that (some) of them can genuinely be fun but fun =/ actually good from a technical or design standpoint
and by acnowledging that you can allow things to improve far more tha nyou would've had if you just settled for "its fun so its fine"

[pearl sentinel]

hey man, whos that nutdealer you've been talking to?

[pulsar cobalt]

give every boss holy inferno obviously

[dull heart]

if I had ideas for actual CV attacks I had some ideas that would have been really cool but

[cunning sequoia]

this is ture

[pearl sentinel]

thats true i think Exo mechs is fun af but

[thick coyote]

ture...

[pearl sentinel]

i recognize that ares being taped to the ceiling

is bad

even if i think he farms aura

[cunning sequoia]

i love aureus as a fight but i'm all for improvement

[lapis oak]

Artemis not hitting anything with that dash 🥹

[agile latch]

Farms aura of being a cardboard cutout