lore-discussion

[pulsar ocean]

and npcs

like the elder scrolls

[bright phoenix]

Lmao

Yes

That would be a whole lot but considering the game takes place on only one of the many continents of terraria, I could see a world where they do make like a continental travel system akin to Endless Escapades

But I don't count on it

It has been proven achievable with subworlds, Macrocosm also shows this

[noble falcon]

When are we gonna get to visit YharimLand Theme Park

[bright phoenix]

I don't expect that calamity will add other continents anytime soon but I DO think the Dragon's Aerie will be a sub world

[bright phoenix]

🔥 🔥 hell yeah

[noble falcon]

Imagine we get to the aerie and it’s just auric Tesla Eggmanland from sonic unleashed

[bright phoenix]

That would be epic

[noble falcon]

The dragons just loved roller coasters you see

[bright phoenix]

Built by the Auric Dragon of roller coasters

And amusement park rides

[magic epoch]

I think this is just way too out of scope

[bright phoenix]

Yeah pretty much

[magic epoch]

Suggestions has been posted to #suggestions-posting (woah what'!?) that are definitely not as big as that, and they've been flagged for being too "out of scope"

[noble falcon]

I would totally get if the aerie is just a short walk-up to the final boss fight but I do hope it has some building materials themed around it
Like Yharim drops aerie bricks or something idk

[robust osprey]

new continent with a brand new super boss, Tonald Drump

[bright phoenix]

Do we summon him on Little Saint James island

[robust osprey]

yeah

[bright phoenix]

Classic

[bright phoenix]

Yeah, that would be super nice

We take like idk

Stone and auric Tesla and then use the terminus rock to craft 999 Aerie blocks for furniture

[pulsar ocean]

out of scope type shi while they're planning to remake every vanilla boss in the game

[bright phoenix]

Simply use the rock xeroc carved from the aerie to make more aerie rock 😎

[bright phoenix]

It's not even close the amount of work they'd have to do to make a working subworld system and add other continents and new bosses and setpieces and custom music tracks for every single one versus simply remaking the vanilla boss AI

It'd basically double the scope of calamity whereas vanilla boss reworks are just one thing

Plus if they did all that how would it fit into progression? How would it be balanced? Building an entire new terraria from scratch with just the systems to carry over basically

[cloud ibex]

i think making entire new continents is definitely more work than reworking every rev+ vanilla boss

[long bloom]

worldgen code

[cloud ibex]

worldgen coding, new tiles, new enemies, new loot and entirely new bosses vs taking bosses that are Already In The Game and making their fights better

[bright phoenix]

Macrocosm and Endless Escapades shows it's very possible, and by using subworlds they can ensure the world gen for the subworlds happens when you go to travel, but I don't think calamity would implement large scale subworlds, at least anytime soon

[magic epoch]

Its like making a whole nother mod

[bright phoenix]

Exactly

[heavy sail]

iirc they do want to make a subworld in the future for the Distortion, but that's pretty far down the to-do list

[cloud ibex]

i think the former trumps the latter by a landslide when it comes to scope size

[bright phoenix]

Yeah, the two mods I listed's ENTIRE gimmick revolves around these large scale subworld, like that's their WHOLE thing and development takes a long ass time for them too

[bright phoenix]

I was wondering if distortion would be a subworld

[magic epoch]

Not to say that making major boss overhauls isn't difficult, but i think making entirely new bosses from nothing would certainly be harder

[bright phoenix]

Braelor town npc

[magic epoch]

I believe that's the plan, yes

[bright phoenix]

Epik

[bright phoenix]

Yeah exactly

[stark flame]

Why can players use the Auric Bar?

[eager bluff]

you mash pieces of yharons soul into it so it stops being so racist

[split mortar]

We use yharons auric soul shards to mock attune the bars
Mock attunement makes it so the bar thinks everything is attuned and so nullifies the rejection entirely

[stark flame]

thank you

[split mortar]

No problem

[graceful sundial]

guys whats lore behind three bosses we sommun using kos rune? im specially intersted in storm weaver i read in game whispering but i would like to know more

[raven brook]

The summon method is innacurate and a result of the mod being old

[split mortar]

Oh cheese has been alerted i will let her yap

[raven brook]

They will likely each get new summon methods later on

As for the bosses themselves

They're all entities from/related to the distortion

They are not all directly connected and they are not servants of the Devourer of Gods. This is old lore

[split mortar]

Signus title is outdated and is being removed next update im surprised it took this long

[raven brook]

Storm Weaver is a being similar (but different, as explained by Draedon) to Devourer of Gods. It explicitly isn't a part of Noxus's hivemind and instead lives free on the skies eating harpies and wyverns. Devourer really hates it for some reason.

Signus is a distortion entity unaffiliated with other major parties as far as we know (So no direct connection with Noxus, Moon Lord, Devourer or anyone else) that has been worshipped by a group of ninjas caled the Onyx Kinsmen, which also worshipped the Slime God. Signus offers deals/bargains for a price, such as the incident with Statis

Ceaseless Void is the simplest one because it's just a portal to the distortion

It's been sealed away with magic runes and mechanisms

But it's just a portal to the distortion, made by Noxus most likely

[split mortar]

-# by most likely its like, who else can it even be its hinting to the one thing stronger then dog in the distortion which is noxus.

[graceful sundial]

woah

[raven brook]

Yeah its basically guaranteed

uunless it was actually idk ml that made it 500 years ago or something lmao

[split mortar]

Which would be weird story wise but is
Technically possible ig

[raven brook]

Not that i think it would be that because yeah itd be a very Peculiar narrative choice

but it is technically possible

[split mortar]

This is like how all our noxus info is
Not directly said but like cmon its noxus not really any other satisfying answer

[cloud ibex]

that meme of the guy crashing his car and dying but waking up after a second to turn off his radio and then dying again

[split mortar]

Whuh 😭?

[cloud ibex]

except it's ML being sealed away for 1500 years, getting out just to go in the dungeon and create cv, then going back to being sealed away

i promise that message would be comprehensible if i could find the gif in question

(it's not someone in an actual crash

[raven briar]

Is there like a full lore video?

[raven brook]

None that are completely accurate i don't thin

there's docs in pins, though

[feral skiff]

and even if someone makes a 100% accurate lore video

its important to note that it may become outdated

[raven brook]

that too yeah

[zenith geode]

itll be made invalid by a dev statement 3 minutes later

[feral skiff]

docs are significantly easier to update over time

[raven brook]

The lore is still unfinished so stuff is still being implemented ingame

which leads to influx of new info that we didn'th ave before

[feral skiff]

while for youtube you gotta make a whole new video, publish it, and (optionally) delete the old one

[zenith geode]

but people never delete the old ones

look at how many outdated class guides there are

[sacred pilot]

It also leads to people conflating the old and new lore.

Calamity fans when they actually have to play the mod and read.

[cloud ibex]

thank you omni

[wheat walrus]

haiii

[west plume]

moon lord crawling out of the moon, going back to earth uncontested by xeroc or any just generally frightened people, crawling into the dungeon past all the dragon cultists studying who know and have seen depictions of fovos, and placing the portal there before calling it a day and going back to the moon to nap some more

[raven brook]

sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do

[wanton pendant]

He forgot to do it earlier, better late than never.

[mighty zenith]

this is how deltarune theories work

[strange stump]

garbooooo

[mighty zenith]

spaceeeee

[strange stump]

GARBOOOOO

!!!

[mighty zenith]

SPACEEEEEEEEEE

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[strange stump]

hi :D

[mighty zenith]

hiiiii

[strange stump]

i sometimes see you leaving a message
and i wanna greet you

[split mortar]

Real

[coarse inlet]

Yall think the Moon lord had everything below the belt before the original invasion, and that why people had given him the name 'Moon Lord'?

[split mortar]

Theres literally a moonlord legs item in the game

[coarse inlet]

I know that, but perhaps he only got the name after previous actions done

[wanton pendant]

If evolution gives you an exposed rib cage, you're not getting to be numero uno.

They call him the Moon Lord because they stuck him on the moon.

[raven brook]

Moon Lord was given as a name because dude was trapped in the moon, i'm not quite sure what you mean

[graceful sundial]

who become first god? i remeber hearing about human who said he gonna help heal? king of dragons and than betreyed him to take his soul something like this but it was while ago and im curious is it already outdated

[raven brook]

that is the first god yes

it's Xeroc

he absorbed the soul of Zeratros, the king of dragons

[graceful sundial]

and at current moment of lore his in that whole disstortion dimenssion?

[raven brook]

We dunno where he is, but its possible that he's in the distortion

given his goal seems to primarily be to prevent somethingg like ML/Fovos's invasion from what happening

[graceful sundial]

and he was able to take king of dragons souls like this? i know that this dragon was wounded but still was it really this weak or was just xeroc this strong

[cloud ibex]

they might've been strong back then iunno if we have anything concrete in that regard

[wanton pendant]

The circumstances of that event are a secret to everyone.

[graceful sundial]

oooo oki

im not complaing i like the mystery just seem wierd at first how seemingly ordinary human could do such a thing

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc was the monk of the king of dragons, they were certainly far from ordinary.

[graceful sundial]

mb im still new to lore and very uneducated in this matter

[split mortar]

Xeroc before ascension is about as ordinary as yharim
Yeah he is a regular person as in nothing he has is utterly impossible for others to get
Still the strongest human of the time period

[split mortar]

Also its possible the ascension was consensual
Or the dragon was asleep
Literally could have has anything happen in there, xeroc and zeratros could have been smoking the strongest weed ever which fused their souls perfectly for all we know

[plucky juniper]

wasnt zeratros about to die

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

Maybe he went down swinging.

Who knows.

[sinful adder]

This isn't in the game but the lore writers told us that Xeroc pre ascension was almost as strong as yharim is now

Oh wait siffrin said that already

[cosmic zenith]

Dev statement hell

[long bloom]

i think cei said that like 2 years ago

[split mortar]

I have not even existed for 2 years in the community yet

[split mortar]

😭?

[long bloom]

is this snail mail

[split mortar]

Immortal snail is close

[long bloom]

😨

[long scaffold]

very much a headcannon but

I feel like Zeratros could've given the soul to him

"I'm dying so you have to do this thing no one knows about to take my place"

and then he did it and everyone found out about the thing

and the world delved into calamity (not sorry)

[leaden bridge]

this is just the apparently obvious proper narrative choice like if this is not the case itd just be worse? for everything? its an assumption you can make

[west plume]

for some reason people assume there was an additional level of contrivance in that xeroc knew how to absorb a dragon's soul the entire time and no one else did

and xeroc was just like waiting for an opportunity to use it, forsake his life studies and get infinite magic light powers but be forever alone and abandon everything you could ever have or dream for to shoot light beams

[leaden bridge]

yeah its just. its just the obvious thing. its obvious. occams razor and all that but also its genuinely better so theres no reason not to

[west plume]

i feel a lot of the dev statement shenanigans is about things that developers refuse to let people intuit so they keep having to get spelled out over and over and over because we don't trust our fanbase to have basic literary analysis or know how to use context clues

every 'did zeratros actually get backstabbed by xeroc' comment reminds me of this vehemently because like What do you expect the answer to be there

[leaden bridge]

xeroc was actually evil and betrayed his close friend so they could then go on and do literally nothing

this is true

[west plume]

Genuinely who could have made up perfect ascension and acquired the terminus before xeroc did and just not ascended with any soul

[raven brook]

Xeroc the powerhungry maniac that betrayed his friend to gain ABSOLUTE POWER and then he proceeded to disappear forevere

making great usage of such absolute power

[eager bluff]

his power is so absolute that all he did was get a 2000 year long hangover because of how hard he partied the first night

[raven brook]

2000 year long hangover is an accurate description of xeroc's entire Thing i think

[bitter pivot]

is there a help channel?

[raven brook]

thats basically what hes doing right now

[west plume]

No life (you were a draconic monk), no family (you outlived all of them), no friends (because you betrayed all of them) and every time you decide to participate in society someone wants to kill you?? Gee oh boy I can't wait to ruin everything just for that

[west plume]

#help-advice-read-pins

[bitter pivot]

ty

[raven brook]

Also from what i've seen alot of dev statements come from a place of over-eagerness when it comes to sharing new ideas and such

Though again i think that's no longer a issue or atleast far, far less prevalent now

It is understandable that talking about ur writing and seeing people's thoughts on it can be fun and exciting but some restraint is important

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

I've been a lot more cautious about revealing information, even if it is satisfying and useful

[cosmic zenith]

(Which is why the best way to reveal something like that is to not reveal it at all, and instead make people speculate!)

I will say though, I think our fanbase has a lot more interpretation abilities than it often elects to use

It's depressing, because speculation is so fun to see

[raven brook]

I love sharing my interpretations of characters! I love not taking writing completely at face value and letting my reading skills and imagination paint a broader picture of what could be!

[plucky juniper]

i reckon there’s some (one-sided) animosity from certain community loudmouths towards the writers

[cosmic zenith]

Not to mention the ever-circulating idea that the lorewriters are holding Ozzatron at gunpoint so they can turn Calamity into some gross lore mod....

(Frequently, I've seen non-writer dev be more ambitious when it comes to lore than writers)

[long bloom]

i wonder who

[raven brook]

our favorite programmer that gets the title of honorary lorewriter atp

[long bloom]

don't forget god's strongest spriter who's basically an actual lorewriter

[spark kindle]

spriters...

[rain osprey]

i really like lore writing but only in the small little bits of flavor text and worldbuilding. larger story is for the other people, i just like looking at an item and being like "could there be a story or something interesting to this?"

[long bloom]

write a tooltip for spring stool

[spark kindle]

sunny your hired for the aestheticus rework

[rain osprey]

mostly because idk how to write an actual story i just put shit down on the paper and stip tells me if i'm cooking or not

[spark kindle]

whoa... teh terrarian's lore is up to me

[timber glacier]

Yep they are

[spark kindle]

so my terrarian did all that because it would be funny

[long bloom]

indeed

[spark kindle]

and to impress zoologist

[timber glacier]

If you want it to be that way yes

[spark kindle]

"Draedon joins The Crusade during the year of 1803, 22 years after The Crusade has begun."
intentional funny

[timber glacier]

The cursed number of doom and despair

[spark kindle]

there's a bunch of dragons

that's awesome

im glad there's so many dragons in this story

we need more dragons less worms

[timber glacier]

Well some of the worms are kind of dragons

[spark kindle]

wyrms

[long bloom]

wyverns are also legally worms

[spark kindle]

ill add a note to my calamityswap au

[timber glacier]

I wonder like who would swap in like a calamityswap AU
Would it be like yharim and yharon swapping or like maybe xeroc and yharim swapping and zeratros and yharon swapping

[spark kindle]

calamitas yahrim swap
devourer of Gods and Desert Scourge swap

[stark flame]

Why can players defeat the Moon Lord?

[timber glacier]

🔥 ✍️

[raven brook]

Wdym by "why"?

[spark kindle]

wall of flesh and moon lord swap

[timber glacier]

Permafrost and draedon swap

[stark flame]

The dragons could only seal him away

[rain osprey]

if you're serious, tell me what you want and we can look into it

[timber glacier]

Because hes very much been weakened since when he fought the dragons so the player is able to actually stand a chance against him

[rain osprey]

i still need to do angelic shotgun for shotgun angel

[long bloom]

he got ripped in half and has been rotting on the moon for the better part of a millennium

[spark kindle]

Yeah we're still thinking about the revamped mechanics tbh

honestly i wonder if people have thought up of AUs for cal

[leaden bridge]

thats fucking hilarious are people really saying this

[leaden bridge]

its okay you have me who figured out literally everything

[stark flame]

[timber glacier]

Imagine like a Fell!Calamity Au where its literally either the exact same thing, or everyone who was mean and stuff are now nice and stuff

[rain osprey]

evil yharim be like: i do not manipulate children into murdering people

[long bloom]

ozz is simultaneously an evil overlord singlehandedly ruining calamity and a frail victorian child being bullied by the all powerful writers

[timber glacier]

Evil dog be like: I think everyone is so much cooler than me

[spark kindle]

dusttrust calamity

[timber glacier]

Who would be the sans of calamity

[long bloom]

permafrost

[timber glacier]

Probably yeah I see it

[long bloom]

chill, unassuming, doesn't like fighting, blue

[rain osprey]

so cryogen

[spark kindle]

freshcalamity

[leaden bridge]

in fell perma would be the bad guy

[long bloom]

alternatively sans and papyrus could be braelor and statis (look they're the only duo in cal there's no siblings)

[timber glacier]

Nah statis and braelor are definitely either undyne&alphys or susie&noelle if you want to include deltarune character

[spark kindle]

Cymatial

[timber glacier]

When someone creating the spongeswap Calamity AU (Yes theres a spongebob underswap AU)

[spark kindle]

LOL

[long bloom]

what is the undertale fandom even about anymore

[spark kindle]

the UTSC community is very active still and me personally has been polishing up the AU space

but uh

[timber glacier]

Random thought about calamity:
Since the boss rush is Xeroc recreating the hardlight constructs of all the bosses the terrarian had faced throughout the game, if the player skipped a boss why do they show up in the boss rush

[leaden bridge]

i know the answer but youre not gonna like it

[eager bluff]

xeroc just be making up shit

[spark kindle]

dev forgor

[warm gull]

its because its a video game

[timber glacier]

Also since deerclops isn’t canon why is she there like doesn’t she kind of just not exist in canon for Xeroc to make a hardlight construct of

[raven brook]

this is so doylist

[magic epoch]

Boss rush sucks

[raven brook]

this is so doylist

[magic epoch]

so

[warm gull]

well boss rush sucking isn't the reason there's no lore answer

thats irrelevant

[timber glacier]

Like I kind of get why its like that its a boss rush of all the mod’s bosses but like its still a little odd

[warm gull]

it just also has no lore answer

because its just a video game

[magic epoch]

Xeroc is a damn PUSSY fight us yourself coward

[warm gull]

it doesn't adapt to what bosses you've killed

[magic epoch]

I don't care if I'm asking chuck norris to a death battle in 2011

[timber glacier]

I do kind of feel like maybe changing it to not be xeroc making copies of the foes we’ve faced but rather moreso of just powerful foes who happened to be the bosses you can fight could work but Idk

[magic epoch]

Square up light god

[leaden bridge]

like atp what are we doing like just making up a reason this happens lorewise? whats the point in that

[timber glacier]

Also it does feel slightly weird to me that betsy doesn’t get in the boss rush cos shes kind of a boss in several regards and isn’t just like a regular mini-boss but shes a weird case and its definitely not cos shes not canon cos deerclops is there

[magic epoch]

Betsy is so contested it's weird

[leaden bridge]

its because shes annoying and everyone forgets her

[magic epoch]

Could you say she's not a boss because she has no expert drop i think? Maybe

[timber glacier]

Shes a weird case

[timber glacier]

1. Lunatic cultist don’t either,
2. She kind of even does cos shes got a treasure bag, and
3. Mourning wood would then count as a boss cos they have an expert mode drop

[magic epoch]

Though I'm pretty sure that Mourning Wood has an expert drop, and that would make it more suitable of a boss??

[long bloom]

she's simultaneously a boss and miniboss in the code

somehow

[timber glacier]

I guess like I could see part of the justification in that her fight would probably need a lot of changes since its kind of designed to involve the old one’s army being ongoing during it but idk

Also theres also torch god who’s also sometimes considered a boss but also sometimes not

[magic epoch]

I think the like categories for something to be a boss in vanilla are like

• Has special music tied specifically to its presence
  • Although things like Betsy and Martian Saucer have special music, it's part of their event and not the enemy irself
• Has a healthbar
  • I'm sorry, Torch God…

[leaden bridge]

its a boss if its a boss

like this is not hard

[long bloom]

torch god is an event imo

[leaden bridge]

yeah its arbitrary who cares

[magic epoch]

Is there anything that follows both of these rules but isn't a boss?

[timber glacier]

Sometimes Torch God is considered an event but he’s also at points being referred to as a boss

[magic epoch]

None that I can think of

[leaden bridge]

erm its a boss f it has an expert drop! its a boss if the bestiary says its a boss! its a boss if it has a bag! its a boss if boss=true its a boss if its a boss

[magic epoch]

That's the fun part of the banter

[timber glacier]

I guess if you stretch it Calamity’s ??? Itself which like kind of counts and while it don’t got a boss health bar it does have like its own but like idk

[magic epoch]

Its trying to find reasoning where reasoning isn't provided

[magic epoch]

I'm more just referring to vanilla

[timber glacier]

Yeah then not much really counts

I guess like maybe the celestial pillars

[magic epoch]

Oh yeah that would count

But iirc the game's bestiary does include them in the boss category?

Which.

[long bloom]

it also includes martian saucer and no other event minibosses so it can't be trusted

[magic epoch]

Yeah lol

[timber glacier]

No marrian saucer was removed from that list in 1.4.5 I’m almost certain

I remember reading that in the patch notes

[long bloom]

finally

only took 6 years

[timber glacier]

Martian saucer was very weird to be there because like it doesn’t really have any aspect to justify it counting as a boss over a mini-boss that some other mini-bosses arguably do

[west plume]

maxwell was actually a dragon monk and he told xeroc about the dont starve survivors when he escaped the constant

[heavy sail]

xeroc watches from the sky as you frantically swing your weapon at what seems to be nothing

[robust osprey]

xeroc gives you drugs that makes you hallucinate deerclops

primordial drug

[mighty zenith]

nightmare blunt

[split mortar]

@wanton pendant

[wanton pendant]

News!
They have.

[hollow cedar]

Can DoG eat the wall of flesh to absorb the essences of the gods from it?

[wanton pendant]

I mean, probably, but he'd have to both find it and also destroy it without getting on the bad side of anyone stronger than him.

And I think there's a good chance that it would still spill out everywhere and Yharim and Yharon would take it as an act of outright mutiny.

Or, alternatively while he gorges himself Calamitas turns him into a kebab.

[hollow cedar]

yummy

[hollow cedar]

It seemed to me that Yharim didn't care about anything (at the time the player appeared)

[wanton pendant]

He still cares about the cause, but he's disinheartened. DoG is also technically still his ally, and the Wall of Flesh is technically still his asset.

Outright rebellion of DoG would mean it is time to do something that he had been planning to do for a long time; disposing of him.

[hollow cedar]

The Wall of Flesh isn't guarded by anyone. DoG can simply eat it and escape to another dimension

[wanton pendant]

He can certainly hide in the Distortion, but if he spends too much time outside of it then his newly made enemies would be able to come after him, and the time it would take to eat the wall would leave him open.

[stark flame]

What abilities does Yarong Rebirth Domain possess? Does it have other capabilities besides rebirth?

[wanton pendant]

Domains only give power over, well, their domain.

So Yharon's ability to shoot fire isn't related, he just knows fire magic.

But anything that can be viewed as 'rebirth' and can be done with magic he can basically do for free.

So, primarily, this lets him turn dead bodies into babies.

He also in the future will use it in his boss fight to revive himself for phase 2 like he did in old versions, or at least that's the implication I think.

Beyond that it lets him teleport his soul to the Dragon Aerie upon death.

[vivid cloud]

Ok, is Yharon just a Phoenix in the metaphysical sense?
Because even though he's an Auric Dragon, he literally corresponds with the mythological Phoenix.

[raven brook]

"phoenix" is just a title

its not really a species or anything

hes a dragon

hes a phoenix cuz he has fire and he rebirths and hes feathery like a bird

[vivid cloud]

Yeah. That's why I was wondering if it was in the metaphysical sense, but thanks.

[raven brook]

np

yeah its metaphorical

[limpid saddle]

i wonder if cheese has watched re:zero lately

[raven brook]

echidna rezero

[wheat walrus]

an echidna from rezero

[bright phoenix]

Lmao???

Awesome

[pallid umbra]

is this related to lore in any way or is this a different mod

top

[errant plume]

it's a new structure that shows where the shimmer is

the lore implications are for you to decide

[pallid umbra]

OH SHIT REALLY

W

[heavy zenith]

Oh thats what that is? Dang didnt know that

[heavy sail]

it's one of my favorite brainstorm additions!

[raven brook]

Shimmer shrine is p cool

[split mortar]

Yea

[raven brook]

hi lore caht i'm bored right now how are we doing

[long bloom]

purgatory

do you think ichor is the blood of all gods or only some

[timber glacier]

Only the blood of the gods in the ichor cos thats the only place its found I'd guess

[long bloom]

"in the ichor"

🔥

[timber glacier]

I meant in the crimson but sure

Albeit I do wonder if ichor truly is the blood of the gods, then why does Continental Greatbow sometimes fire ichor arrows

[long bloom]

because it was made in like 2018

[timber glacier]

Like how does this weapon made of exclusively scoria for some reason have the ability to produce ichor

Okay yeah that does explain it

[long bloom]

scoria hasn't been touched in aaaages

@raven brook come back

[raven brook]

I like to think ichor IS the blood of all gods, but

the ichor we see ingame is not representative of all god's ichor

different god's ichor have different properties nad appearances

[long bloom]

goated cheese theory number 59

[heavy sail]

kinda lore adjacent, but i've had this image in my head for a while of the zoologist having notes on a bunch of calamity creatures. she sees you fighting yharim and loses her mind because "A REAL AURIC DRAGON??? I thought they were totally hunted to extiction like, a bajillion years ago!"
"This one doesn't seem very nice, though..."

and she has a soft spot for dragonfollies and other draconic offshoots

[raven brook]

yeah thatd be in character for her lol

kinda messed up to think about how for the average john dragons are probably just seen as a extinct animal species

though

like, i imagine

not many are actually aware

of the fact they were fully sapient and had a whole civilization n stuff

specially due to the language barrier

[timber glacier]

well probably more than just thinking they're 1 species since they were almost definitely not just a single species given their variety of anatomy

[raven brook]

I think the anatomical changes of the auric dragons is probably a result of shard transmutation

much like the gods, but less extremee

since they're not as

[heavy sail]

i was thinking she would be kind of aware, and specifically excited because of that- i did not know there was a language barrier, huh. guess that explains why he doesn't speak to you directly like DoG does

[raven brook]

volatile, in their composition

2 souls rather than 3

[raven brook]

Dragons all speak draconic so you can learn it but it is pretty hard since different vocal chords and i imagine a lack of doccumentation

I imagine the Lunatic Cultist knows how to

per example

n some mebers of the dragon cult

And Yharim also has the telepathy mind beam

[eager bluff]

ironically i dont think yharim knows draconic

[raven brook]

no yeah like

he has a telepathic link

itd be really funny iof he just didnt know the language

tho tbf

i can see him learning it

just out of respect and genuine interest

as a way to preserve yharon's language

[heavy sail]

yharim beams the lyrics to roar of the jungle dragon directly into your brain (that's a joke i know they aren't diegetic)

[eager bluff]

see

[zenith geode]

draconic should have phonemes unpronounceable by human tongue

[eager bluff]

i would think he sees himself as unworthy to learn it

[raven brook]

wait i can see that too

i feel like either of them could be true

they both feel like they could be in character

[heavy sail]

shoutout to DoG who can speak whatever human language you're playing the game in, specifically to be smug and hammy

[timber glacier]

there wouldn't really be a need for him to know it really if he has the brain blast thing and since the only person he'd need to know it to talk to is yharon so like no real need

[eager bluff]

actually

[raven brook]

i imagine he can just use telepathy so he just

beams wordsi nto your head

which just makes him even more annoying

[eager bluff]

yharim knows the language but he forbids himself from writing or speaking it

[raven brook]

you cant even like stop listening to him if you wanted to

[long bloom]

this was the writer consensus iirc

[eager bluff]

dev statement hell

[long bloom]

true

[eager bluff]

we're sending you to dev statement hell

[raven brook]

as long as you're acnowledging it as a possibility and not a confirmation

[long bloom]

god the fucking google doc that i hate

still need to fix it

[raven brook]

and also no referencing one off statements from 10 years ago when someone is asking a naswer for a question please

[heavy sail]

kind of interesting to think about what other crusaders would think of yharon, then, if they can't talk to him directly. can DoG understand him?

[raven brook]

its ok to acnowledge dev statements

just take them with a big ol grain of salt and try to not

[eager bluff]

this is what i would imagine his relationship to be with draconic. either this or he just doesnt know it

[raven brook]

flood new users or people asking questions with them

[raven brook]

Good question

I imagine some of the higher-ups

[eager bluff]

i would assume its like

[raven brook]

might know draconic

or otherwise just

members of the army that genuinel are devoted to the cause

[eager bluff]

"holy SHIT ITS A FUCKING DRAGON"

[raven brook]

and want to learn it

because lets be fr

as muych as definitely some of yharim's army was in it to avenge the dragons and all that

oh boy would there be so many people who are just in it for other reasons

[heavy sail]

being able to speak to a dragon would be amazing

[raven brook]

just wanting money nad comfort

just being murderhobos that want a justification

joining as a ex-god worshipper to survive and be considered one of the "good ones"

god knows what else

[heavy sail]

"you were drunk and did this all because of a bet"

[timber glacier]

I could see yharim not like using it when like speaking but like I could totally see yharim naming like things he values after words in the draconic language, like maybe his weapons are called what they're called in draconic or something

[eager bluff]

fairly certain most of them hadnt ever known an auric dragon was still alive and if they did know they certainly had never seen it

[cloud ibex]

yharim gets a tattoo in draconian runes meant to say "truth, liberty and honor" while yharon watches on helplessly not wanting to tell his only friend that he now has "beep beep lettuce" permanently written on his shoulder

[raven brook]

Crimson ichor would probably have bits of war mixed with god knows what else in there

I actually imagine Cursed Flames themselves might be a byproduct of corrupt ichor

Silva's ichor would probably have healing properties

Providence's ichor would be EXTREMELY inflammable

etc

[noble falcon]

The spirit of the Auric Dragon of Translation Errors finally gets invited to the Dragon Games

[eager bluff]

silvas ichor is the k corp tears from limbus company

[heavy sail]

shoutout to dreadon's science team, who i'd imagine run the gamut from gleeful mad scientist types really excited to work under a guy who's moral reasoning begins and ends with "dead organisms are less interesting than living ones" to much kinder scientists who are stressed the hell out with the conditions dreadon makes them work under

[raven brook]

wait true

[heavy sail]

and everyone in between

[raven brook]

I do think you need some degree of insanity to work under draedon but at the same time i feel like there were bond to be some people who genuinely saw it as a opportunity to do good, even if they were working for a Bad

[heavy sail]

yep!

[raven brook]

like working with Yharim it's kinda impossible to not be kinda fucked up

but working with Draedon? I think you still have some chances

[eager bluff]

i think it depends

[raven brook]

to be not that fucked up.

[cloud ibex]

silva's ichor has healing properties except it ends up mending wounds with random biological matter

[eager bluff]

higher up researchers yeah the guys directly under draedon are probably fucked up and insane

[raven brook]

yeah

[cloud ibex]

healing a stab wound? you now have a fungal colony growing out of your shoulder

[eager bluff]

the new guys? dude thats just an internship at microsoft

[timber glacier]

well there were people who did work with yharim who were not like permafrost

[raven brook]

well id say permafrost is kinda fucked up

like hes not a bad person but he did help super hitler i feel like people kinda gloss over that

[zenith geode]

diluted or straight from the tearful thing

[raven brook]

both perma and calamitas objectively did bad things when they were in the yharmy

ofc calamitas is the bigger issue here

but perma's still in there

[noble falcon]

Imagine being like a normal janitor in Draedon’s lab and having to spend half your day cleaning up half-melted wreckage from exploded bubonic bees and the other half getting coffee out of the break room couch

[heavy sail]

hell yeah, my favorite stuck-in-an-awful-situation-and-cannot-leave archmage

[cloud ibex]

healing a broken leg? you now have one human leg permanently forced into digitigrade position

[raven brook]

yeah lol

[zenith geode]

bathing in silva's ichor and i turn into protein soup

[cloud ibex]

healing a severed arm? roach arm.

[raven brook]

healing a broken arm? there is now

a fish

your arm is a fish

your arm is the humble prussian carp

[eager bluff]

straight from the tearful thing i think its possible to dilute but

[raven brook]

WOW

IM GONNA LOOK SO DIFFERENT

FROM EVERYONE WITH MY ROACH ARM

ILL BE

[timber glacier]

did perma really do any bad things? like he trained calamitas but like didn't know what yharim was using her for and also helped manage the cities which like was kind of just helping the people who yharim was ruling

[heavy sail]

let's GOOOOOOO

[raven brook]

ILL BE SOME SORT OF

SOME SORT OF

OUTCAST

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-gif-19916469

[long bloom]

• directly aided super hitler

[eager bluff]

he was one of yharims strategists iirc

[raven brook]

He helped his conquests

And like even if he didn't directly kill people, compliance is still compliance

[cloud ibex]

hushed whispers still ring throughout olden dryad circles about the time one of silva's disciples tried to help a burn victim using her ichor

[raven brook]

You are still Helping Super Hitler

[timber glacier]

oh I thought he was basically just kind of there managing the cities and stuff

[heavy sail]

indirectly partially responsible for the rise of a terrifying warlord

[raven brook]

Again i think he's a good person

[long bloom]

that was one of his jobs

[raven brook]

But it's importan to acnowledge he's not innocent

He joined with good intentions

[eager bluff]

unfortunately good intentions are not enough when your boss is piss hitler

[raven brook]

And probably stayed due to sunk cost fallacy and the fear of what would happen if he left, both to him and others that would have to face the cosnequences

But he still

yeah

that

piss hitler my favorite villain

this chat still has the single highest word count for "hitler" btw and its like all yharim

[noble falcon]

I think if he made an ice pun every sentence like Gex in a snow level he would be redeemed

[raven brook]

its all talking about yharim

😭

[long bloom]

automod going crazy with this one

[heavy sail]

that's why i like him so much. i love characters who are generally kind people who have done bad stuff, or aided in bad stuff, and who probably regret it

[raven brook]

i dont really mind the hitler comparisons though i will say ive seen people say hes like worse than hitler unironically and thats the point i go ok too far

dont say the fictional character is worse than irl man

irl evil man

[raven brook]

calamitas is my favorite character in the mod and als oliterally me so twinning

Calamity Mod

[long bloom]

Calamitas Mod

[eager bluff]

if yharim and the crusade were real he would be worse, if hitler only existed in calamity yharim would be worse

[heavy sail]

if he heard yharim whispering "many of my early conquests had not been possible were it not for his wisdom" he'd probably wince so hard

"His approval fills me with a deep, deep shame."

[long bloom]

yeah when people say he's worse i think they mean if they existed in the same context his actions would be worse

but still just
don't

[raven brook]

grah. calamity mod. calamity

i enjoy calamity mod lore it is fun to talk about

[eager bluff]

i hate calamity mod lore its hell torture to talk about

[long bloom]

what political system do the clams of the sunken sea have

[raven brook]

i am neutral calamity mod lore its whatever to talk about

[raven brook]

eat souls

thats the system

[cloud ibex]

i am indifferent to calamity mod lore it is neither good nor bad to talk about

[raven brook]

eat 7000 amidias souls

[eager bluff]

oligarchy

specifically the one that ate amidias/amidias' soul and its immediate family

[cloud ibex]

i rot calamity mod lore it is the mold to talk about

[raven brook]

i AVENGE calamity mod lore i will TAKE REVENGE for those who have talked about it

[heavy sail]

this is a very weird pull but are any of yall familar with uh... the siivagunner christmas comeback crisis?
the way dr. andonuts is characterized in the side stories he's in is similar to how i see our archmage friend

[eager bluff]

ok yharim

[raven brook]

I am not familiar unfortunately

i didnt know siivagunner had lore i thought he was just the funny music rip man

😭

[eager bluff]

there is only one siivagunner lore i know of and thats stingy taking over

[raven brook]

Y'know i do hope that calamity mod gets some more characters that are just like guys

like not gods or elementals or distortion creatures just like

guys

more stuff like Gorthus

working on The Docccument ™ has made me realize how many characters really are some sort of higher deitylike being

[eager bluff]

hi guys this is my calamity oc hes like the bandit but binary and evil hes called the thief

[timber glacier]

more characters like the bandit

[raven brook]

We could def use more variety

[eager bluff]

he makes the goblin tinkerer cost more

[raven brook]

See the Bandit is weird cuz they have like no lore relevance at all right now but that could change

They're more there for the gmaeplay aspect

But yeah like

[timber glacier]

I kind of hope the bandit might get like a bit of lore but I hope they remain as a fairly low strength character in the lore

[raven brook]

Not necessarily majorly important characters

but just having more guys would be nice

Again like Gorthus

The planned illmeran ghost for SSO

its not some distortion fuckzoid or a god or a dragon its just liek

[eager bluff]

i think the bandit is like peak Random Dude energy

[raven brook]

its just a guy. a dead guy. but its a guy

[eager bluff]

like they're just someone who shows up they dont have any real stake in the outcome but they're here anyways

[timber glacier]

wasn't there also going to be like a scavenger npc guy or something in SSO who was kind of also just a guy (albeit a crab but like still)

[heavy sail]

all you need to know for this conversation is that the funny earthbound scientist is a guy with a lot of regrets, and those regrets are a composite of his actions in the mother series, within the siivagunner story, and within toby fox's classic earthbound halloween hack. and in the present of the series, he's working for this evil overlord guy seeing to obliterate all anime (it's very silly), but doesn't really care for or agree with his goals. so he documents stuff about how the world works and hangs out with his adopted robo-daughter

[raven brook]

they showed up to steal money from the goblin thinkerer

thats it

[eager bluff]

i also like the tax collector for this

even if he isnt a calamity npc

[heavy sail]

also HUGE agree about calamity guys! i also think it would help the vanilla npc cast mesh more, cause most of them are also just guys

just your everyday werefox gal

[raven brook]

it makes the world feeel more grounded if there's more characters that are not like

[eager bluff]

because he is ALSO just some guy everybody in azafure hated him so much he got kicked out and thats just about it

[raven brook]

extremely abnormal higher power beings

they can still have some lore relevance

but they can be guys.

just. guys

there were plans for some dogma/war cultist wandering npcs

that'd be neat

[timber glacier]

I do also feel like if more guys were added as npcs it could also like as well mean that there are npcs who actually like living in the calamity biomes since basically no-one does right now

[raven brook]

I didn't necessarily mean as npcs but i will agree that yeah

more ncps would be neat

[heavy sail]

sir nautilus from fables is kind of just a guy. a dead guy, a cool knight guy, but still just a guy

[raven brook]

theres some possible plans for uhh

the historian

[raven brook]

yeah hes awesome

[heavy sail]

and i adore him for that

[raven brook]

crab npc that trades relics for lore stuffs

[heavy sail]

lemm in terraria?? nice

[timber glacier]

I will say I do wonder like what kinds of npcs would really even like some of the calamity biomes thinking about it

[eager bluff]

wizard and painter would like the astral

[timber glacier]

I can definitely see there being people who like to like in the sunken sea given how pretty it is but like who the hell would want to live at the sulphurous sea

[eager bluff]

i think tax collector would like the crags actually he seems like the kinda guy that would enjoy living in the ruins of the place that scorned him

[timber glacier]

also the astal biome is kind of a biome which is trying to assimilate anything that comes near it so like who would actually like living there

[raven brook]

iirci t dosent actually assimilate sapient beings, atleast not as easily

[zenith geode]

yeah

[raven brook]

but i dont remember where i saw that

[heavy sail]

OH that reminds me!! calamity gives the painter a bunch of new quotes for different biomes, and they're all excellent. he has one for the abyss!

[sinful adder]

Peak, I'm a huge fan

[raven brook]

i can see the wizard liking it

alot of magic

[zenith geode]

you can live in the astral if youre sapient and strong

[raven brook]

and hes kind of crazy already

[timber glacier]

well yeah but like it still would be a very hostile environemnt to live in

[raven brook]

the wizard lowk the best vanilla npc in terms of characterization

hes funny as fuck

demented old man

[sinful adder]

Thing is: it's pretty bad at actually doing that

[raven brook]

well so is the jungle

or the caverns

[eager bluff]

wizard likes astral because ooooooo weird fucky mana shenanigans and painter because its literally an alien thing you cant find something else like that in terraria

[zenith geode]

i like his super low luck quotes where hes just begging you to get th fuck away

[raven brook]

the wizard is just insane

[small citrus]

Wizard awesome

[raven brook]

like youd expect him to be like the wise mentor type character but no hes just like

[small citrus]

I always room him with Permafrost

[raven brook]

some homeless insane bum that can cast spells

[eager bluff]

HEY hes not homeless anymore

he pays rent on time

[raven brook]

not anymore!

[timber glacier]

I guess but like most of the npcs who like the jungle are either literally from there or are like a person who has control over nature magic wheras like I feel like with how literally everything in the astral seems to want you dead I doubt many would enjoy living there

[zenith geode]

i forget is it explained why hes found tied up in the caverns

[raven brook]

the painter loves the jungle

[timber glacier]

• "most"

[raven brook]

yeah but like point is i dont think theres

a "danger" requirement to like a biome

or else i think most biomes would be disliked save for like the ocean and purity

hallow too, the hallow is kind of dangerous but people still like/love it

[timber glacier]

but like I kind of feel like the astral would kind of make more sense for it to be like the evil biomes or dungeon where npcs actively hate it there due to the danger

[zenith geode]

dungeon is disliked because its a dungeon why would you want to live there

the constant skeletons and spirits of damned prisoners dont help either

[eager bluff]

yeah theres just a bunch of dead people around

[raven brook]

i think one should work under the impression that if you made a town, much like ingame, its a relatiely safe location in-universe

[eager bluff]

you dont want to live in a mass grave

[sinful adder]

The evil biomes are significantly stinkier and grosser than other dangerous places. That's the difference.

[raven brook]

Of course i don't think it'd be like magically safe thanks to decreased enemy spawn rates

like it is actually ingame

[zenith geode]

exactly

[raven brook]

It'd be things like idk

[zenith geode]

genuinely ican see the evil biomes having a constant stench of decaying flesh

[raven brook]

Proper lighting making it easier to travel, maybe walls stopping monsters from entering

But i still think towns would be relatively safe havens in-universe

[timber glacier]

I will say though like with the sulphurous sea I do kind of feel like there wouldn't really be any justifiable characters to like it there as their liked biome over like the healthy ocean

[small citrus]

I don't think any sane person would want to live in the literal meat biome

[zenith geode]

or the tumour cancer rotting biome

[raven brook]

Dryad might really like it

Close to silva

[eager bluff]

i think thats what the corruption smells like
crimson smells like a middle school locker room. including the cologne

[raven brook]

but yeah its hard thinking who would love it

maybe angler

cuz in the ocean its just normal fish

[zenith geode]

constant axe bombs,,,,,,,,,

[raven brook]

in sulphur? weird unique fish

he'd like to catch those

[timber glacier]

angler gets eaten there already I doubt hed want to go back

also like it doesn't have unique fishes you can fish up even

[heavy sail]

imagine the astral infection makes the wizard think completely clearly.
i had an idea a while ago where the astral infection would make more magically attuned characters a bit loopy. like i know that's not actually how it works because they're still all sapient people, but like. the idea is cool...
so calamitas, the dryad, the wizard, witch doctor, and perma all have some unique reactions to the mana weirdness. maybe the princess too, but idk

[raven brook]

i forgot about the trasher thing tbh

[small citrus]

That got removed didn't it

[raven brook]

apparently not

[timber glacier]

I could see like maybe newer npcs which like maybe is a diver who like the sulphurous sea so they can like dive into the abyss from their home I guess but idk about vanilla nps

[small citrus]

Wait you can still sacrifice the angler to the Trasher Gods for the rod?

[zenith geode]

not that

[small citrus]

Oh

[timber glacier]

I don't think the angler dropping from trashers was removed

[raven brook]

nah that ones gone

[zenith geode]

first trasher drops angler

[raven brook]

i mean that when you kill the trasher if you haven't already encountered the angler it pawns him

yeah

[small citrus]

Ahhh

[timber glacier]

like if the angler isn't in your world the first trasher kill will spawn him in

which is an odd choice since like it kind of makes it confusing if like he was always canoncially eaten before you meat him or if like whichever way you find him is canon

[raven brook]

i dont think you need to think too hard about ti and i feel like this is something ive told you too many times atp 😭 dont worry too much about minor mechanics that were clearly just designed with gameplay in mind

[timber glacier]

okay sorry for overthinking things

But like I'd definitely think the angler would probably honestly hate the sulphourus sea given how he is sometime eaten by the trashers

[raven brook]

it's fine it just gets a bit tiring to have to give the same doyolist (is that the word?) answer several times

didnt mean to send

there

also yeah if we're taking that in account he probably would dislike it

[timber glacier]

also the fact that like every fish there is either found in other places, or are enemies that try to kill you would also probably make him dislike it as well

[heavy sail]

witch doctor is a little bit enraptured by how spooky and twisted the astral infection is, dryad is complaining constantly about how she cannot think straight, the wizard, ironically, has totally mental clarity.
...and the archmage, being one of the most magically attuned people in the calamiverse, would be really struggling to hold his thoughts together. sometimes he'll mistake you for someone from his past and start talking to you like you are that person. like, imagine if he mistook you for calamitas. i dunno how many of you guys have palyed chrono trigger, but you know the guy, i think he was the Guru of Reason, Belthasar? the one in the post-lavos future?

[eager bluff]

idk hes told us to go get stuff after he almost gets eaten by it iirc

[raven brook]

tbf

he TOLD US to get stuff

he didnt go there himself

[heavy sail]

how he says "Schala, no! Don't climb Death Peak!! It's not the right time!" to crono and friends. that kind of thing, but with loopy astral-overloaded permy

[timber glacier]

does he tell us to get fish from the sulfurous sea? I don't think it even has any quest fish iirc

[raven brook]

Permafrost suffering from magical dementia

meanwhihe the wizard

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-ascending-homer-simpson-meme-gif-22971083

[raven brook]

idrm actually let me check

[zenith geode]

wizard finally locking in after geeking for 30 years straight

[raven brook]

yeah actually no sulphur fish

unfortunate

i imagine sulphur sea rework will give us some

[small citrus]

And then Permafrost and Wizard will hold hands....,,,.

[raven brook]

sunskaster lore

[timber glacier]

it is crazy how there are no sulphurous sea or abyss exclusive fish like they're so water focused and are meant to have such unique circumstances causing unique fish devolpment theyre but like have no unique fish somehow

[raven brook]

i imagine abyss is mostly a issue with it being fully underwater so unless ur using specific rods its a bit hard to fish there

but sulphur sea yeah its weird

[heavy sail]

...what about toxicarp?

[eager bluff]

i can tell you how

[raven brook]

hopefully it will change eventually

[zenith geode]

abyss was nearly impossible to fish in until new bobbers dropped iirc

[timber glacier]

thats a corruption fish?

[raven brook]

That's corruption, from vanilla

[heavy sail]

oh yeah

[raven brook]

Though i will say

Having abyss fishing have some actually unique loot but be locked behind certain accessories or fishing rods

actually wouldn't be bad design

It's like how lava fishing is in vanilla

[zenith geode]

corvina guppy,,,,,,,,,

[eager bluff]

its because fishing as a system was nearly entirely streamlined into nonexistance in the past

[raven brook]

yeah lol

fabsol moment

[heavy sail]

yes, exactly. real talk though, it'd be cool if they added a bit to perma's quote about liking the wizard about how he's a bit worried about his cognitive state.

[timber glacier]

but like its weird that at least the sulfurous sea got no unique fishes that can be fished up while the astral infection did,

[raven brook]

TRUE THAT WOULD BE REALLY FUNNY

[timber glacier]

old man yaoi in calamity when

[raven brook]

"He's a fun chap but i am worried about how he keeps asking "Wuh. Who are you. Where am i" every 30 minutes"

[eager bluff]

there was no room for fishing content literally every single fishing rod in calamity was added in the same update

[long bloom]

😭

[eager bluff]

which was seven years ago

[heavy sail]

"Dulias the Wizard is well learned, and quite a respectable mage himself! I do worry for him sometimes, though..."

[timber glacier]

but also like isn't part of the sulfurous sea's identity is that due to all the pollution all the inhabitants had to adapt to the horribly polluted environment, yet for some reason the normal basic fish from the normal ocean are the things you catch there
Like are you really saying that normal ass shrimps could reasonably survive in the sulphurous sea

[eager bluff]

its bleak

[timber glacier]

and like there were fish added the brimstone crag despite how tehy could've easily just used normal lava fishing catches

[heavy sail]

i mean i sometimes like playing calamity with spirit reforged so i do kinda have to overlook what seems to be healthy, oridanry schooling fish swimming around in the acidic waters in exchange for the savanna and salt flats

[raven brook]

me fishing up noraml ass tuna

in the evil green acid ocean

[timber glacier]

I will say bringing the topic back to calamity lacking random guys I do kind of feel like there are a lot of races that do exist in calamity that like are basically never elaboratedon with their lores and stuff

[raven brook]

yea im sure theyll add actual fish for the sulphur sea eventually

its probably just a remnant of old mod moment

its kinda hilarious though

[raven brook]

GOBLINS SIGUS THEORY

[timber glacier]

Like theres mermen who do exist but we only sea ones that are dead (as zombie mermen and frozen mermen) who have connections to anahita but like don't get any elaboration rn

[raven brook]

Tbf its not confirmed but i think mermen is a catch all term for all sapient fish humanoids

so all the guys in illmeris r mermen too

mainly because otherwise i feel like the distinction feels weird

mermen. merfolk. what have you

[timber glacier]

maybe? but like I do kind of feel like there were probably a lot of very different groups within the categorisation of "mermen", like I doubt the ones in the sunken sea really had any ties to like the ones who like maybe worshipped anahita or something cos I do remember hearing something about mermen who worship her

[noble falcon]

Merdudes

[raven brook]

yeah i doubt they worshipped anahita

atleast at large

maybe a few of them would worship other figures/deities that werent the 2 illmeran gods but like

the 2 gods are right there

[cosmic zenith]

Mfw the Ilmeran Sea isn't the only sea on the planet

[timber glacier]

there are also a bunch of like groups of people we know of in the lore but like we kind of never see or learn much about them in game, like we know there were rebel groups which made like the wulfrum bots, but we never learn anything more of them and like expanding that maybe through random guys who were maybe once a rebel could be cool idk

[raven brook]

we're referring to Illmerans though

I'm pretty sure Illmerans is, a ethnical term

rather than a species one

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

[raven brook]

So yeah it would mean Illmerans at large woulda likely worship those two guys

Of course, there could be exceptions

[cosmic zenith]

It's Ilmerans, not Illmerans.... stop making them ill :c

[raven brook]

its entirely possible there could be commu - AHHH

WHY

WHY WHY WHY HWHY

I CANT STOP IT

ANYWAYS.

[timber glacier]

did like a symbiote just take over you huh

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/eel-mentally-fish-pun-gif-1854041509306605219

[raven brook]

ITS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE COMMUNITES OF ILMERANS THAT WORSHIPPED LIKE SILVA OR SIGNUS OR ANAHITA OR ANY OTHER FIGURE OF WORSHIP BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD WORSHIP YRIAN AND OTONILOU

caps sorry.

[timber glacier]

communities tied to anahita... that sounds familiar

[wooden shadow]

No way 🤯

[raven brook]

This is my Community where we worship Anahita . 10% drop rate

[wooden shadow]

I've been spelling it wrong this whole time (I've been spelling it as Ilmerian)

[timber glacier]

but like I would love to meet like a character whos like a merman who like maybe worshipped anahita that isn't from illmeris so like we can both learn more about non-ilmeran mermen cultures and also like maybe more stuff with anahita in particular

[raven brook]

I do hope Anahita gets elaborated more upon

because like

as it is right now

all of the elementals except silva are

just shittier providences lol

[timber glacier]

the elementals other than silva are either just providence 2 or just literally are entirely irrelevent to everything and never actually fully show up

[raven brook]

All of the elementazls only have 1 bit of characterization save for silva

And it's they want to turn everything into their element

I think this should be elaborated on further to give them actual distinct characterization, and maybe cahnge exactly what their goal is

So they can be more morally diverse

[timber glacier]

I do wonder how the hell the air elemental could even really do that hypothetically like how do you turn stuff into air and stuff

[raven brook]

I like the idea they are innately tied to wanting to expand their element in some way

But they can have different approaches about it and it can manifest in diff ways

Some may actively want to just cover everything on it, taking the destructive path

While in others it may manifest more subtly

Just awnting a large expanse of territory for themselves out of their element, and fiercely defending it

Or "protecting" their element

Sorta like guardians of nature

Tbf i think this all could technically be applicable to current lore

Without any changes

But it would need stuff to be expanded on though

The main thing is literally every elemental ingame rn is hostile so

[timber glacier]

I do also want to see how some of them have relations with groups of creatures , like would anahita at all be like "friendly" with like creatures who reside in the water and stuff

[heavy sail]

well, according to the lore doc at least, perma and the goblins are from the same place!
⚠️ WARNING: DORKY FANGIRL HEADCANON ZONE BEYOND THIS POINT. THE FOLLOWING IS ALL STUFF I MADE UP. ⚠️
-# i like to imagine the continent of Telma as having a slightly more traditional fantasy vibe to it than the rest of calamity. more akin to the Epidotran side of MoR. also i like to think it has the marshy grass and yew trees from Thorium. and that it's a more culturally diverse place in terraria than your world's continent is, with many different species living alongside humans, who are not the majority. goblins, lizhards, dwarves like the demolitionist, fishfolk, (i like the idea of demons too but i dunno if they're like. supposed to be capable of coexistence? if that's true than tbh i will ignore it because i don't fw "this humanoid species is inherently evil/primitive") etc. and permafrost was kinda disappointed when he moved to your world and saw how human-centric it was. also i think that hundreds of years ago when he was still studying magic and figuring out what kind of mage he wanted to be, he used to be a part of an RPGish adventuring party. but then after he speced into cryomancy and cast the experimental autocryopreservation spell to slow his aging, maintaining those friendships got tough because they were growing and changing and aging and he stayed the same. and then he outlived them all. he lowkey saw joining the yharmy as way to get what he had back after centuries of chilly isolation, and that's part of why he tolerated all the awfulness for so long, and then raising calamitas was a really positive experience for him despite the awful circumstances. okay that's all if you're still reading this you get a choccy milk cause you're epic

[raven brook]

I don't think Demons are inherently evil as much as it's just, atleast hte population in the Underworld we see

Have a warmongering culture and are highly xenophobic

:sob

[heavy sail]

they're a lil crazy. they get a little quirky

[raven brook]

assuming demons as a species exist elsewhere

they could probably have more chill communities in certain places

or individuals from the heartlandian underworld even that are more chill and reject their culture's norms

(new npc surely

[timber glacier]

meeting a chill demon npc could actually be pretty cool

[heavy sail]

reminds me of the weapon master from thorium!

[raven brook]

perma having been part of a dnd esque adventuring party in the past is a cute idea

[timber glacier]

also imagine a friendly martian npc cos like it could maybe be cool to learn more about what martian culture is like in calamity's universe and stuff

[heavy sail]

i've had the idea for a friendly vanilla martian npc for a while, actually! never got around to drawing it though...

[timber glacier]

It is actually slightly odd to me that there isn't a martian npc in vanilla cos like most other invasion events actually have an npc that you can get after completing them

pirate invasion - pirate
goblin army - goblin tinkerer
even snow leigon - santa

[eager bluff]

its a cute idea and also gives him more reason to join yharim

because he sees the New Hero and is like

"oh hey ive done this kinda thing before maybe i can guide him" and then everything goes to shit

[heavy sail]

calamitas sees something in a drawer. it's a photo of her father, looking much younger, with a bunch of people she doesn't recognize. they all seem happy. there's some messy handwriting on the paper.
it reads, "Don't forget."

[leaden bridge]

That's right. He's green and in-between

[eager bluff]

and it explains further why he stayed with yharim for so long. "my party wasnt perfect either, we did our fair share of fucked up things, so ill give him a chance. maybe i can turn this around if i stay"

[heavy sail]

yeah! i specifically have this headcanon where perma had been feeling very withdrawn for like 200 years because he felt like the world was getting worse around him and he felt numb and powerless, he's supposed to be the Mage of Mages, but he found it hard to really live up to that title and much of the arcane world no longer understands the permafrost hype. especially as a non-combat mage
and all these gods are going around installing themselves as monarchs and demanding worship. there's a new one like, every week

i'm glad you all like my idea!

[light linden]

yrain?

[raven brook]

tYRIAN

TYPO

[timber glacier]

I did just randomly think if we'd be able to make like npc towns inside the distortion like will town npcs be able to move in there

[light linden]

I thought it was like

yharim rain

[eager bluff]

yharims what.

[timber glacier]

like some kind of rain of yharim

[heavy sail]

brealor watching free real estate go up and looking at the mfs waltzing into the hell he was trapped in for years:

[hoary cape]

Yharim rain

[vivid cloud]

That's a line I'd see being in EarthBound or something.

[eager bluff]

that is a line almost directly ripped from undertale

[timber glacier]

its an undertale reference

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, I know😂

I remember a game theory proposing that Sans is Ness🔥

[timber glacier]

Game theory had some crazy theories

[vivid cloud]

The two games are very connected.
I wonder why.

[vivid cloud]

The Sans being Ness made more sense if you actually think about it, but people don't like to think in nuance so suddenly MatPat's cuckoo.

[timber glacier]

if you mean the connection between undertale and earthbound the answer is basically because toby fox liked that game and it was a big inspiration

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, I know.
I played his Halloween Hack🔥

Also played EarthBound and Mother 3.

[timber glacier]

I will say while sans being ness kind of may have made sense at the time nowadays we basically know most of the things that like hinted towards that were hinting towards something else about sans

[vivid cloud]

Ye.

(I haven't played Undertale)

I've watched a lot of content covering it, so that's how I kind of understand what you're talking about.

[timber glacier]

I'm gonna be so for real I played like 8 minutes of it and got bored but had already watched enough peoples playthroughs to know the game enough so that I'd probably know everything I'd need to for context of deltarune

[vivid cloud]

Oh, you skipped to Deltarune?
Valid, honestly.

[timber glacier]

honestly undertale is really i guess archaic in comparison and lacks so many quality of life things deltarune has that I doubt I could really complete a playthrough without getting bores

[vivid cloud]

I haven't played Deltarune either, and that's the game I know pretty much nothing about.

[eager bluff]

its not a skipped to situation

the storylines are entirely distinct

[vivid cloud]

Right, I forgot.

[timber glacier]

Toby fox has said deltarune is kind of a game for people who finished undertale if I remember correctly, and like the context of undertale objectively at least enhances the experience of understanding deltarune

[eager bluff]

i personally didnt like undertale that much

in fact i never finished it because i loathe arrow movement

[vivid cloud]

I didn't play either of those games, however I did play pretty much every Mother game I could find save Cognitive Dissonance and Arn's Winter Quest.

Mother 3 is not really a sequel to EarthBound but at the same time it really is, considering you got Porky (previously Pokey), and stuff like that.
But the story is pretty different.

[timber glacier]

This is a weird thought but like are most weapon names "canon" in calamity

Like I know stuff like the arsenal weapons with the cool names are probably named like that in universe but like is the name of every weapon considered canon

[wanton pendant]

So long as it's not a weapon that isn't considered canon, then sure, but remember that they're only names.

[pulsar ocean]

Do aliens exist

[timber glacier]

Yes martians do

[heavy zenith]

Dragon of Martian??

[wanton pendant]

Dragons can't go space.

[timber glacier]

The devs have stated theres no space dragons iirc

[eager bluff]

dev statement hell to you for 500 years

[timber glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

[heavy zenith]

Already been here for 1 so 499 or 500 more?

[mighty zenith]

hell torture dimension

[heavy zenith]

Devstortion

[eager bluff]

its an additive sentence

[heavy zenith]

[pulsar ocean]

theres no way evolution didnt make beings with wings and 4 limbs and scales anywhere else

[split mortar]

Would count as hater by all like the evil biomes and dungeon imo

[timber glacier]

It probably should be but rn its just neutral to everyone

I guess if it were made to a universal hate maybe the astral pylon would need a rework so it don’t need npcs but idk

[split mortar]

Space aint part of the world why does this need a dev statement 😭

[timber glacier]

I meant like they confirmed there were like no dragons in space or other plantes

[split mortar]

Source

[timber glacier]

Idk I just remember reading that at some point maybe I’m stupid and misremembering though

[split mortar]

Happens

[raven brook]

Need a dispenser here

[west plume]

dragons evolved on terraria

u guys r recreating panspermia from first principles

[split mortar]

My brain died and thought dragons meant
Ascended people
Which i thought would be weird to confirm that no other world soul broke and life ascended with it

[split mortar]

Whur

[west plume]

the idea that life migrates to other planets

[wanton pendant]

Dragons can't go space. They don't have rockets.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, so they can breathe in space?

We just don't have rockets for them.

[wanton pendant]

Dragons probably cannot breathe in space.

Since, like, how would they?

[vivid cloud]

I mean, you only mentioned rockets

[wanton pendant]

Rockets have air in them to breathe.

[vivid cloud]

Ok, so this sounds really dumb, but by rockets I thought you meant attached to them, not them inside the rockets.

[wanton pendant]

I imagine when Yharim and Draedon proposed the idea Yharon vetoed it.

[vivid cloud]

They should have convinced him by saying you can be as xenophobic as you want in space, striking down all lesser beings who see themselves equal to you.

[icy veldt]

Attach dragons to missiles and blow them up

[vivid cloud]

🔥

[noble falcon]

Bruh the Dragon of Unable To Fly is about to have the time of his heavily shortened life

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Heart Failure, on the other hand, will not he so thrilled.

[leaden bridge]

why didnt they do that but with death

like strap death to a rocket and send them to ml

[wanton pendant]

If that backfires you now have the Pillar of Killing You.

[robust osprey]

how about the elusive space dragon

[wanton pendant]

That's actually how he died.

Couldn't breathe in space.

[robust osprey]

wow

what a chud

[wanton pendant]

Some say their body is still floating out there.

[robust osprey]

is this why they got replaced by the night dragon

[fathom wind]

i love amidias

[noble falcon]

Many historians misunderstood his element as representing the stars and planets beyond, when in truth he was actually the representative of making room for things
The aerie became much better organized after he showed up

[wanton pendant]

See, you get it.

[noble falcon]

Funnily enough, his body was actually found by the Dragon of Outer Space, who very quickly got the confusion sorted out

[wanton pendant]

She also couldn't breathe in space, but was really good at holding her breath.

[noble falcon]

This is why I like imagining the auric dragons as representing every little thing, it leads to fun scenarios

[soft flame]

considering there were presumably thousands of them too

[noble falcon]

The Auric Dragon of Auric Dragons certainly had his hands full keeping tabs on all of them, but he did put together quite the impressive catalog with his research
Perhaps one day it will be rediscovered

[turbid yoke]

Do prime souls exist

[wanton pendant]

What?

[robust osprey]

does WaterWraithGaming exist

[wanton pendant]

I am anchored in another dimension.

[pulsar ocean]

what’s a dimension

[wanton pendant]

In physics and mathematics, the dimension of a mathematical space (or object) is informally defined as the minimum number of coordinates needed to specify any point within it. Thus, a line has a dimension of one (1D) because only one coordinate is needed to specify a point on it – for example, the point at 5 on a number line. A surface, such as the boundary of a cylinder or sphere, has a dimension of two (2D) because two coordinates are needed to specify a point on it – for example, both a latitude and longitude are required to locate a point on the surface of a sphere. A two-dimensional Euclidean space is a two-dimensional space on the plane. The inside of a cube, a cylinder or a sphere is three-dimensional (3D) because three coordinates are needed to locate a point within these spaces.

[scenic olive]

dragon of cholesterol

[wanton pendant]

After rebirth #7 they all just agreed to let him stay dead.

[noble falcon]

They actually revived him one final time to help deal with a grease-related catastrophe, only for him to be ambushed and his soul claimed
The man who took it would go on to open the Heart Attack Grill

[wanton pendant]

Unfortunately, the God of Grease died doing what he loved, being boiled alive in oil.

[noble falcon]

He had done it many times before and was in fact perfectly fine all throughout the last time, right up until the end when his cold mug of ice cubes slipped from his hand

[sacred loom]

God of Fastfood eventually founded a country on the other continent. Something like 'murikea'

[agile matrix]

i am a huge fan of the dragon of [subject] bit

favorite recent lore discussion bit

[timber glacier]

It was so sad how the dragon of defenestration died before their soul god absorbed by the person who became the god of windowmaking, it was such a horrible way to go

[barren mortar]

dragon of fluorescent lightbulbs

[agile matrix]

the dragon of apples recently discovered bees and is ecstatic

[barren mortar]

[agile matrix]

it took three attempts to type ecstatic

[timber glacier]

yhairm and them would make great friends

[noble falcon]

The Dragon of Bees was a famed individual among dragonkind back in the day, though in a shocking turn even to him, he would find that he was actually critically allergic to non-Draconic bees, dying from a particularly rebellious bee’s sting. Before dying, the bee absorbed his Auric Soul, becoming the very first Queen Bee of the sort that we know today

[robust osprey]

animals cant ascend, but other than that

✍️ 🔥

[timber glacier]

Do we know this for certain

Why couldn’t a octopus ascend

[noble falcon]

They need 8 souls for each arm
Too many, unless one were to undergo a brave quest

[robust osprey]

they need to be smart enough to perform the ascension ritual

[timber glacier]

That would suggest there would be plenty of animals which could ascend potentially

[robust osprey]

eh

there was another thing

but I forgot the word

[light linden]

aren't octopi one of the smartest animals in the world?

[robust osprey]

I dont think an octopus is like physically capable of doing whatever the ritual is

[light linden]

to the point where they're as smart as a human toddler?

[robust osprey]

it was like consciousness or something

thats not the word but close

[timber glacier]

Sapience?

[robust osprey]

yes

sapience

that was it I think

[light linden]

ok that's kinda murky

I have seen some people claim they MIGHT be sapient to some extent

but even then it is not confirmed

and idk how we could confirm that

[timber glacier]

Yeah it is a bit iffy what really would count as sapience but like I could probably see like some animals like octopi that are really neurologically developed probably being sapient at least enough to theoretically do the ritual but idk

[light linden]

regardless though

I'd like to see at least an official hypothetical as to what would happen if an animal ascended

[timber glacier]

That could be neat to see as like a very minor god mentioned briefly in game that was an animal cos I’d imagine with how many auric souls there were they may have ended up being like at least 1 soul that was used to like ascend something weird but idk

[light linden]

actually

that sounds like a cool hypothetical for the auric soul of mind

[west plume]

both dragons and humans are animals silly

[robust osprey]

you know what I mean

atp it kinda annoys me when people say uuh humans are animals too! like you DO know I mean non-human animals

(not mad at you syrup its just a thing that annoys me in general)

[timber glacier]

wait this suggests that dragons could ascend using another dragons auric soul potentiallt ... interesting

[robust osprey]

I dont think an auric dragon could ascend without causing soul fuckery or something

OR being targetted by the entirety of the rest of dragons

but like

ig thats a thing that could work

if they tank the soul fuckery ig

[timber glacier]

They may be able to do it as it would just kind of result in like kind of 4 souls at once which is only one more than a god which has kind of 3 so like they probably wouldn't be completely unrecognizable probably I feel

[robust osprey]

3 souls???

I'm preetty sure a god souls is. soul (singular)

[timber glacier]

the world soul, the dragon's soul and the person soul

[robust osprey]

why would they be separated??

also an auric soul is like

[timber glacier]

they aren't seperated its just that thats how many souls were combined for their soul kind of

[robust osprey]

a literal fragment of the world soul

[timber glacier]

like the thing is absorbing too many souls poses risks like what happened to like polterghast which is why absorbing multiple auric souls would be dangerous

[robust osprey]

so itd be just 2 in that case

[timber glacier]

idk I guess but like then an auric dragon absorbing another auric dragon would be viable since it'd just kind of be combining 2 souls

[robust osprey]

I mean

I dont think so beacuse of domain fuckery

but I guess

it wouldnt be all that different

other than the dragon's social score immediately rocketing to -10000000000

[timber glacier]

well yeah but some dragons presumably already were in that position of everyone hating them like the dragon of flame so like its not like that would entirely ruin his "social score"

[robust osprey]

it'd make the other dragons actively going to kill him more

like

hit you with the sun kind of deal

[light linden]

I said this prior but uh

if yharim found out a dragon did that yharim would hunt them down until they died

like priority number one until they died