lore-discussion

[young socket]

comic

[wanton pendant]

Comic.

[limpid saddle]

either way very funny

[young socket]

it was the first volume of terrarias comic as a physical release

[limpid saddle]

🐌

[heavy sail]

holy shit. that is kinda hilarious

[wanton pendant]

Read my documents.

[limpid saddle]

not a good look for those guys i tell ya hwhat

[split mortar]

Where

[raven brook]

Anyways is there any sector of worldbuilding you guys think calamity dosent explore enough right now that you think would be #cool to explore more

[wanton pendant]

Writing.

Permafrost.

[split mortar]

I think the life cycle of harpies on the evil island

[raven brook]

i think the evil island is gonan be removed 😭

[split mortar]

Thats not on this server indo not think

[split mortar]

Ur gonna be removed

[wanton pendant]

Not this server.

[limpid saddle]

Given the revelations about Fovos's origin I think I'd like to know more about how the Distortion nurtures and forms life

[split mortar]

Why mention it here

[raven brook]

true ?

[eager bluff]

yeag

[wanton pendant]

Funny.

[west plume]

do u disagree that war would sound like that

[eager bluff]

the plan is for evil island to die and be replaced with chrysadia island iirc

[limpid saddle]

incredible

[split mortar]

Yeah we got shown the island like a year ago

[heavy sail]

honestly, just a teeny bit more npc characterization and dialogue would go a long way. i like what's there, but i want m o r e

[wanton pendant]

I think he'd sound like The Devil from The Bible™.

[young socket]

have i mentioned i hate terrarias dialogue system btw?

i hate it

[eager bluff]

yeah he would sound like skarbrand

[split mortar]

Being real i think the average life of normal people during the important periods of calamity would be cool

[wanton pendant]

'Dialogue system'.

[split mortar]

@raven brook

[young socket]

i mean it technically is one

[limpid saddle]

I assumed War would always be hitting a Ray Chase Sukuna type voice ever since the visual association with him

[raven brook]

No i think it checks out

[raven brook]

That could b neat yeah

[raven brook]

Signue

[limpid saddle]

Particularly his Inner Domain mannerisms or his full on crazy 'YOU CAN SEE MY CURSED TECHNIQUE!' kind of lines when he goes full off the wall

[raven brook]

Signus

[west plume]

do u guys care to read some wip crimson writings from the perspective of a draedon lab scientist

[limpid saddle]

m'yes

[split mortar]

Its 11:30 so ima be asleep in -5

[west plume]

Subject has begun to rip open their sternum, trachea, and lower mandible in order to extend their 'mouth' opening downward. Top set of molars have been forced out of socket and sharpened into canine-like teeth. Odontogenesis has resumed and subject's previously loose teeth have gained hardened roots. Despite this, the dentin has not returned to coat the exposed tooth pulp. Individual's pulp and gums bleed constantly, giving the teeth an orange-red color.

Subject has begun to beat violently upon their remaining ribs, now that the sternum has been removed. Subject continued to do so until all ribs were shortened and gained a sharpened edge. The marrow is still visible within the ribs. 

The scientists find it difficult to look at the 'mouth' of the subject. At threat of firing by the Research Lead, subject was left unattended in the observation room with only a panopticon drone to capture it's actions. Subject's inner eye tissue seemed to burst and grossly distend choroid tissue.

The subject marched forward and repeatedly slammed the observation glass upon the lab being closed. While unsuccessful at completely breaking the observation glass, it was able to form several small holes in which several 'slug-like jumping things' were able to escape, lie in wait in the lab and then ambush scientists as they came in. 

The lab was closed, and Director Draedon has ordered the termination of the lab. This essence leak in particular is no longer to be studied or interacted with, and only handled through distance cleaning equipment.

[wanton pendant]

"So how can we use these for war?"
-Yharim.

[west plume]

you really think yharim would use the crimson for warfighting?

[young socket]

say that again...

[split mortar]

Guy used hallowed essence so idk

[wanton pendant]

If he could get them a paycheck, sure.

[young socket]

he would take the crimson and paint it blue then use it

[west plume]

dumping crimson essence into the water supply of a small village

[young socket]

because no one would be able to tell otherwise

[split mortar]

Dumping crimson and corruption essence on ilmeris

[limpid saddle]

This is some great prose

[tropic oak]

crimsun

[limpid saddle]

im eating this up this is a very engaging piece of writing

[wanton pendant]

Read my documents.

[heavy sail]

like my boy permafrost. i really like his kind of overly formal and polite way of talking. like this how he reacts if you make him live in the desert: "The sun here is too unfriendly for my ice! Please, allow me lodgings elsewhere at once!"
that's such a fun way of saying "please get me the hell out of here"

"Without a place to rest, my studies cannot proceed. Could you procure me a living space? I no longer like to make my homes using ice magic." that is totally how i imagine a 400-500 year old wizard and former royal advsior to talk. "could you procure me a living space?"

like when was the last time you heard someone casually use the word "procure"?

[wanton pendant]

I use it whenever I need the ingredients for my one day blinding soup.

[hoary cape]

I am going to procure the power to become the terrarian irl

[hoary cape]

Every time I see your name I want to call you saffron

[split mortar]

Would not be the first time

[heavy sail]

i find his manner of speech endearing in the same way i find hornet's general politeness in silksong really charming. or to be more accurate, polite but very to the point and honest. like this

or antimony carver from the webcomic gunnerkrigg court, if you've heard of it

[hoary cape]

Definitely wouldn't I called you saffron earlier on purpose I don't know if you saw it XD

[split mortar]

Oh lol

[heavy sail]

also i just really like "Flowers and the like don't hold a candle to the beauty of intricately formed ice."
it's kinda... i dunno, smug? in a "we are not the same" kind of way. you normies might like warmth and sunshine, but he, a man of true taste, prefers only the sharpest chill

[hoary cape]

Tada

[split mortar]

Lol

[wanton pendant]

I think Permafrost would like mutton.

[hoary cape]

Does permafrost eat his food frozen

[wanton pendant]

No.

He doesn't like cold food.

[split mortar]

iirc theres a dev statement saying food considered cold feels like room temp to him so warmer foods are prefered since its not room temp feeling

[heavy sail]

and then in getfixedboi, there's a whole silly side to him just hiding there! "I must say, those birds earlier were rather cute! Do some more not sound nice?"he thinks dragonfollies are cute!!

[heavy sail]

he seems like a guy who would enjoy a nice cup of tea

[noble falcon]

Permafrost the type of guy to make one of those high class turkeys with them paper shoes

[wanton pendant]

What?

[noble falcon]

You know those little white cap things they put on the turkey legs in cartoons and whatnot
One of those

[heavy sail]

question: was the supreme ultramage dialogue written more recently than the rest of his dialogue?

[wanton pendant]

I have literally never heard nor seen that before.

[wanton pendant]

Introduced in 2023.

Wait no.

That was... him.

[heavy sail]

also late response but this is excellent!! makes the face monsters feel a lot scarier, imaging they used to just be ordinary people. or, it kinda puts the scariness aspect that's lost by them being little pixel guys (and very common enemies you can eventually make quick work of) back into the concept!

[agile matrix]

i would

essence of war being used for war? genius'

[manic coral]

yes

[heavy sail]

ah, gotcha
that is heartening to hear because i really like it and am excited if that's the direction his character will take in the future

[raven brook]

very awesome

[vivid cloud]

Future lore item dropped?

[barren mortar]

who came up with the idea that permafrost keeps his body magically cryogenic because thats one of the coolest things i have ever heard

[thorn drift]

no he actually got WORSE towards the end i'd say

no one with sanity would even dare think about making the bountiful harvest update the way he did

[sinful adder]

Want to know what's crazy?

I identified fabsol as being complete and utter shit years ago, even before the 22

And during the 22 I got warned for bitching about him

[plush trellis]

Whats the 22?

Is it like the year 2022?

[sinful adder]

22 Calamity devs quit because fabsol was a piece of shit

You could get banned for bringing them up for a while

[plush trellis]

I see

[sinful adder]

I was warned like 8 times over the last decade and at least half of them were things that I WAS RIGHT ABOUT and that are now ok to talk about

[plush trellis]

I hope you are able to get the warns out of your mod log at some point

[sinful adder]

As far as I know, they don't count against me anymore

[plush trellis]

I see

[sinful adder]

Since it was so long ago

[plucky juniper]

does anyone have a copy of this

like as in a digital writing of this

[long bloom]

what ben said, and yes it did indeed happen in 2022

[wanton pendant]

Unless you buy the comic, and even then I don't know if it comes in digital.

[timber glacier]

I have the comic which says it has the Calamity mod team interview

[heavy sail]

literally the coolest!

[wanton pendant]

I really want to write stuff involving Permafrost but it's really hard when the only modern dialogue he has is in the insane joke boss fight.

[barren mortar]

✅

[limpid saddle]

i mean i feel like that definetly provides enough to work around

it might be for the bit but y'know "There is truth in jest" and all

[heavy sail]

it's very important that he thinks dragonfolllies are cute

and freaks out upon seeing DoG and demands you kill him as fast as possible

[heavy zenith]

How long did the incineration take?

I'm hearing a few weeks, a few days, but definitely not instant

[wheat walrus]

depends on which dev says it and how they're feeling

[heavy zenith]

This isn't for a vid, i'm just curious. I'll take a dev statement rn lol

[heavy zenith]

Cal lore moment

[wheat walrus]

true???

[heavy sail]

random thought i had: if providence spoke to you during her fight (like DoG does), what would she say?

[mighty zenith]

probably just threats

[magic epoch]

I am heavy weapons guy and this is my weapon

[mighty zenith]

except more sophisticated than how DoG talks

[split mortar]

she is livid at you killing her platonic gay polycule i doubt it would be anything nice

[magic epoch]

She says this upon summoning her guardians

[wanton pendant]

"I'M GOING TO MURDER YOU, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR HOUSE, YOUR DOG, AND THEN I AM GOING TO TURN YOUR CORPSE INTO A SCORN EATER, AND THEN I AM GOING TO KILL YOU AGAIN!"
She would then list every slur in alphabetic order, followed by date of origin.

[timber glacier]

“YOU SHOULD RUN INTO MY FIRE SPEARS NOW!!!”

[heavy sail]

i'm thinking like
"Return to dust, child."
"Cease your futile struggle."
"The longer you writhe, the more you hurt."

like it would be really cool if she actually had a calm and gentle tone. she's really pissed, but hides it behind a tranquil mask

[magic epoch]

"watch out! if you leave my fiery circle, well… you wouldn't like to do that."

[limpid saddle]

sure thats nice & all but she has fair reason to act & be livid when you kill her polycule

[thorn drift]

She's livid about no more yuri

[limpid saddle]

"If you think you can touch me while my guardians still live... think again"

[magic epoch]

silva and providence could be toxic yuri

[timber glacier]

Aren’t they like completely opposite in what they want

[thorn drift]

okay but her guardians phase makes no fucking sense

[magic epoch]

that's why it's toxic

[thorn drift]

thats why its toxic

[timber glacier]

Thats fire

[limpid saddle]

Well im not gonna say it a third time

[magic epoch]

if you won't then I will

that's why it's toxic

[thorn drift]

That is, indeed, why it is toxic

[timber glacier]

Thats why its toxic

[thorn drift]

can we get nontoxic yuri in our calamity?

can we get yuri in general?

I want yuri in my calamity mod

[magic epoch]

well it's like right in front of us

c'mon

[timber glacier]

We need some lesbians in calamity who aren’t evil

[heavy sail]

side note- provi is REALLY old! like her foundational trauma was seeing the moon lord's attack, and she remembers zeratros

[timber glacier]

Old lady yuri

[thorn drift]

I want them to kiss

[heavy sail]

also i agree about non-evil yuri

[limpid saddle]

how can i tie this back to calclone...

[thorn drift]

you cant

[timber glacier]

Make anahita and like silva yuri or something idk

[limpid saddle]

theres gotta be something...

[magic epoch]

iewas about to say something but i take it bak

[thorn drift]

silva is a corpse right now

[magic epoch]

fanfiction exists for a reason

[heavy sail]

✋👂 i'm listening

[thorn drift]

and anahita is just. Kind of a bitch

[timber glacier]

Uhhh anahita x sand elemental yuri then I guess

[limpid saddle]

I could see a rivals to lovers angle with silva accidentally laying claim to the depths of the sea

[heavy sail]

i do like the idea of EoL having a crush on provi, but it's kinda one-sided

[thorn drift]

didn't anahita flee the abyss because of silva?

[timber glacier]

Wait think about it water helps plants grow its a perfect match

[limpid saddle]

yeah thats what i meant

[timber glacier]

Plaguebringer goliath x queen bee bug yuri when

[wanton pendant]

She's one of the oldest gods, since she ascended like, I think it was four years after Xeroc.

[timber glacier]

Wow after finding out ascending is a thing in 4 years she managed to beat like the dragon of flame who had been causing a lot of problems for people right so thats quite impressive of her

[wanton pendant]

She also had three friends backing her up.

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like its still an impressive thing that she managed to do it

[split mortar]

4 player fight against calamity fatalis!

[stark flame]

Is the in‑game acquisition time of the weapon the same as its acquisition time in the storyline?

[wanton pendant]

Why wouldn't it be?

[timber glacier]

Slight question: are the recipes of the arsenal items canon and if so how did draedon even make stuff using uelibloom if it seemingly only exists after prov’s defeat, infected armour plating if the gear was made for yharims army (Right?) and he only made the plague right before he and yharim broke up so like when could he have made those stuff, and luminite since like theres nothing seemingly suggesting he could get his hands on it since its from space (?)

[plain crane]

i was under the impression the general consensus was that draedon has access to undisclosed quality mats and what us players have are "acceptable" substitutes that result in a functional but weaker/unpredictable weapon

[timber glacier]

Ah that kind of makes sense

[plain crane]

just like the scanner in subnautica scans for locally available materials so you end up making batteries out of mushrooms (not advertisement)

the codebreaker sees the shit you bring and does its best to cook with it

[wanton pendant]

Also Uelibloom isn't actually real so assume it's made of some real material that you don't have.

[plain crane]

ueliwhat

[timber glacier]

Is there a lore reason why the terrarian knows how to make a lab seeking mechanism suggesting they know about the labs beforehand

[wanton pendant]

Draedon was actually doing a Willy Wonka style promotion three weeks before the game began and the Terrarian was a winner, giving them blueprints to make them.

[timber glacier]

Also what even is the astral chunk and why does it spawn aureus because since its from the schematic its presumably something draedon made

[raven brook]

aureus poop

[timber glacier]

😨

[young socket]

gameplay reasons for you to not need to find an arsenal lab to start looking for arsenal labs (ignore the fact that half of them are really easy to find)

[timber glacier]

Well you still do need to find one first since it needs dubious plating and mysterious circuitry

[young socket]

mini labs:

[sharp valve]

The Guide gave the Terrarian a crash course on all things Arsenal related

[leaden bridge]

Astral chunk is a random whatever because it used to summon astrageldon and no one cared to like ever redesign it

[sharp valve]

They were given no context to what they are, just how to make them

[magic epoch]

Astral chunk is a chunk made out of astral things. It's in the name smh

[timber glacier]

Erm dubious plating isn’t astral last I checked

[young socket]

it was actually redesigned for aureus

it also used to be much better from a design point of view

an infected remote

[magic epoch]

It can be

[young socket]

now its just. a chunk of astral.

[timber glacier]

It previously being a remote would make so much more sense with how you need to decrypt draedon schematics, and it being a machine that would probably still like respond in some way to a remote

[sharp valve]

Abombination but astral

[timber glacier]

Astralination

[graceful sundial]

i wanted to ask it for while, does calamity also changes lore/adds it to vanilla bosses like plantera, golem,duke, empress etc?

[barren mortar]

very much yes

[timber glacier]

Yeah calamity does change basically every vanilla boss’ lore

Except deerclops cos shes considered non-canon

[barren mortar]

not including deerclops, the OOA, pumpkin/frost moons and solar eclipses

[wanton pendant]

Yes, Calamity does not factor in what little lore Terraria has.

[timber glacier]

Solar eclipses are canon its just that the mobs in them that are from other media aren’t canon

[barren mortar]

aye

good that you corrected me

[graceful sundial]

okay thanks i wanted to ask about plantera and what is lore behind her plus wall of flesh

[timber glacier]

So like vampires, eyezors and reapers are also canon iirc since they’re not literally characters from other media

[wanton pendant]

Plantera was a creation by the people in Vernal Pass to defend themselves after Braelor, their champion, left.
It killed them all. Eventually, the goddess Silva compelled it to instead protect the ruins.
Wall of Flesh is where they put the god corpses in until they hired DoG.
Before then they just dumped them.

[graceful sundial]

woah, whos silva? she sounds important is she goddess that tries to help humans survive yharim crusade? or is she just protecting nature?

[timber glacier]

Silva is the goddess of life who is also the nature elemental

[wanton pendant]

Silva is also the Elemental of Nature and as such nature embodied.
She opposed Yharim and had a human champion, being the aforementioned Braelor.

[sharp valve]

Goddess of Life

[wanton pendant]

She gets tossed into the Abyss semi-regularly.

[sharp valve]

Also related to the Dryads

[wanton pendant]

As Elementals are immortal, she gets out eventually.

[sharp valve]

They are her followers

[timber glacier]

Well she was also the first dryad

[wanton pendant]

Dryads are those who practice biomancy which she invented.

[timber glacier]

Anyone in calamity who does like plant magic is refered to as a dryad iirc

[raven brook]

not plant magic

please guys bio is life not plant

[sharp valve]

Yeah its life magic

[wanton pendant]

Technically true apart from it being more than just plants but I think that would be like calling anyone who fixes a sink a plumber.

[raven brook]

oncce again reminding me of why i wish silva's design incorporated more elements of different lifeforms rather than just being the Plant Woman

😭

[timber glacier]

Oh yeah it is more than just plants

[wanton pendant]

That's why I imagine she's also like Mew and just has the DNA of basically everything in her body.
And also a bunch of extra organs from various living things.

[graceful sundial]

it will sound stupid probably but is yharim like killing everysingle human, is his cruseder goal to earse humanity? or does he goes only after gods and thier followers/supporters?

[raven brook]

yea but regardless seh still just looks like plant woman

he only wants to kill every god

[wanton pendant]

Only the gods and their followers.

[raven brook]

but hes willing to kill their followers if needed

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is not as bad as Providence (but that would still be more tame than what she wants).

[timber glacier]

Silva’s design is kind of so i guess uninteresting cos like she 100% should include more than just plants since shes the life goddess and the nature elemental it should be incorporating all forms of life

[sharp valve]

He’s a godslayer, he hated the gods and wants to rid the world of them, and by extension their followers

[raven brook]

silva isn't a bad design but man i do feel like it was kind of the most basic possible direction to take her

[timber glacier]

Its a good design but also like could be a lot more but its just plant lady

[raven brook]

It's a good execution i just feel the idea could've used more

[sharp valve]

Providence is probably the most evil god/thing in the mod most likely

[cloud ibex]

shapeshifter silva who changes into different mishmashes of animals, bugs and aquatic life depending on the situation

[wanton pendant]

I mean, yeah.

[sharp valve]

Just wants all life to be cleansed

[raven brook]

Hey don't mischaracterie him! He'll spare those god followers!

If they leave their homes, betray their families and friends and join his army, declaring that they see the truth of things and that the gods they worshipped (or even just existed in the same nation as) are evil and they want to redeem themselves

[graceful sundial]

and he mange to slay some many of them? i know he had support of dreadon and his creation but is he really this powerfull? or are just gods this weak?

[wanton pendant]

She will literally make the world crumble to ash and blow away if she can.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is really crazy strong.

[raven brook]

I mean

[wanton pendant]

And had an army.

[raven brook]

He's the final boss for a reason :p

[wanton pendant]

And a lot of guns.

[raven brook]

Plus he also had a gigantic army yeah

[timber glacier]

And a giant dragon

[raven brook]

He wasn't killing all of them by himself

Though some of them where definitely direct kills of his own

[sharp valve]

The gods aren’t as powerful as the word god suggests, but Yharim is really strong on his own

[timber glacier]

Also he had armour made of racist electric gold

[graceful sundial]

wich god put the most fight? was closest to killing yharim is there was case like this?

[sharp valve]

Gods vary in strength

[wanton pendant]

Probably Shakidou.

[timber glacier]

Shakidou was the hardest iirc

[raven brook]

The one we know who got the closest to killing Yharim is a character that is dead and hasn't been revelaed ingame yet

That being Shakidou yes

[sharp valve]

Ah of course, silly me

[timber glacier]

It was like an even fight between shakidou vs both yharim and yharon iirc

[raven brook]

You will not find anything about them ingame, but there are plans to incorporate their story ingame in the future

[sharp valve]

He’s not that bad then

He’s a genocidal maniac, not a monster :)

[timber glacier]

Yharim is also against slavery of bees

[raven brook]

Yep, of course

He's against slavery in general

[timber glacier]

So hes clearly actually the good guy

[raven brook]

Not just bees

[graceful sundial]

what kind of god he is? was it that dude who first took dragon soul to become a god?

[raven brook]

He's not a god

He hates gods

[wanton pendant]

I think you mean 'finally realize that they were little more than slave under their oppressors and that they can finally learn and heal from this', but those who are too far gone sadly must be put out of their misery.

[timber glacier]

If you meanShakidou they are the god of emptiness (also nonbinary)

[wanton pendant]

No, Yharim hates that guy.

[raven brook]

Oh wait, Shakidou

My bad

[sharp valve]

If you’re asking about Shakidou, absorbed the Dragon of Space

[raven brook]

Shakidou is the God of Emptiness

[sharp valve]

Now he’s the god of emptiness

[raven brook]

But again, not ingame right now

[wanton pendant]

It was Night, right?

[timber glacier]

No they absorbed the dragon of night I thought

[raven brook]

Mostly just going off dev statements of things that are going to be implemented later

[sharp valve]

A yeah true

[wanton pendant]

Not Space, that's the kind of thing that doesn't get domains for balance reasons.

[sharp valve]

I mixed it up

[raven brook]

Dragon of Space was scrapped

(Regardless idk if infodumping about this highly uncertain not-implemented dev statement thing this extensively is a good idea)

[timber glacier]

Dragon of space is the pokemon palkia

[raven brook]

Shakidou was the God of Emptiness and they were one of the strongest gods that gave Yharim a run for his money, but were ultimately defeated

This will be revealed ingame and elaborated upon eventually, but as it stands, it is not in the game and this is all the notable info

We only know this due to developers previously discussing future plans

[graceful sundial]

so interesting, does yharim has plans what he will do after killing all gods? will he just die in peace knowing he did his mission or bring new world order?

[raven brook]

He dosen't really have any notable goals after killing all gods

He has more or less dedicated his entire life to this goal

[wanton pendant]

Kill all the gods.
???
Marry Yharon or kill himself I guess.

[raven brook]

Not that he realistically will achieve it, but yeah

[timber glacier]

He kind of realised his plan was actually impossible at some point since like theres no way to kill some of the gods

[raven brook]

He did manage to kill like, alot of them

A large majority

[timber glacier]

Most of them yeah

[raven brook]

But there ultimately will still be some survivors that avoid his sight and also some gods that just. He couldn't kill

The aforementioned Silva, per example

is literally immortal

[timber glacier]

The only ones that survived were like the ones who like hid and focused on evading yharim

[sharp valve]

If I somehow managed to leave Slime God alive of all gods, I’d wanna kms too so I don’t blame him

[timber glacier]

Slime fraud is a master of escape

[sharp valve]

(No shade to my boy, but fucking hell)

[raven brook]

Besides the gods we encounter in-game

Which Yharim didn't manage to kill

It's worth considering we only explore one singular continent

There are surely other survivors in other parts of the world

[timber glacier]

Also definitely not even all of the continent theres probably a ton we don’t see

[graceful sundial]

wydm one singluar continet? so theres more

[raven brook]

Terraria is a planet

[sharp valve]

The area we play in is one continent only

[raven brook]

THe area we explore ingame is a single continent of it

[timber glacier]

There are 4 other continents in lore iirc

[raven brook]

There's not a defined amount of continents

Just that they exist

[sharp valve]

Its called “The Heartlands” but I think its a placeholder

[raven brook]

I don't think it's a placeholder

[sharp valve]

Or doesn’t have a canon name and its just what its refered to as

[raven brook]

Atleast atp it might aswell not be, even if it started as one

[wanton pendant]

That's just a common name for we the people, as the in-universe name is what you enter on world creation.

[graceful sundial]

and they are all connected by oceans we see on end of map?

[raven brook]

Yeah that

[wanton pendant]

That's normally how continents work, yes.

There are no giant turtles that we know of.

[graceful sundial]

ow 🙁 that would be so cool

[timber glacier]

Yes there are giant tortoises

The enemy

[sharp valve]

“Where you from?”
“ShitassWorld 3”

[wanton pendant]

If there were turtles that large the Moon Lord would have been murdered by one spinning at mach go to hell.

[raven brook]

the horrible continent of Everglades

worse even

New York

[timber glacier]

I’m from “The stinky valley of boulders”

[sharp valve]

He terrible land of “CalThoriumMelee”

[feral skiff]

if you put “The Heartlands” into the world name, it should make the game 300x as difficult

[graceful sundial]

atleast it isnt detroit

[timber glacier]

New secret seed totally

Removes all non-canon content

[graceful sundial]

what is lore behind lizard poeple and golem? where they like some ancient cyvilization before humans? or result of some jungle sickness?

[wanton pendant]

They were a civilization that hid in a temple out of shame because their goddess left them.

[raven brook]

They're just one of many sapient species in the world

[wanton pendant]

When you consider the Witch Doctor they're likely not the only members of their species, they're just the crazy ones.

[raven brook]

The Lihzahrds from the temple worshiped a goddess, she left, they built the Golem as essentially a Makeshift God for them to worship

There's doccumments in the pins btw

So you can actually read up on the lore rather than having to make guesses

[graceful sundial]

guh what they even did to make thier goddess leave them 😭

[wanton pendant]

Too green I guess, I don't know, I wasn't there to see the breakup.

[timber glacier]

Being cringe lizards i guess

[raven brook]

We have no idea

[graceful sundial]

fair ig

[timber glacier]

Do we even know if their god abandoned them or if like she got killed or do we know they did abandon them

[wanton pendant]

"The Lihzahrds were abandoned by their deity long ago."
Now sure, this was Yharim, but if they died he'd probably mention it, especially if he had an involvement.

[timber glacier]

Okay yeah he probably at least thinks that so they probably did like abandon them and not like have died cos he would’ve probably killed them or known of it at least

[graceful sundial]

she just took day off work and now they all went into panic attack

[thorn drift]

would silva actually be able to regenerate herself? It would probably take forever but could she do so?

[sharp pulsar]

How does yharim looks with no helmet 😳?

[mighty zenith]

its left ambiguous on purpose

[split mortar]

REAL

[hoary cape]

Why did you separate bugs and aquatic life from animals 😭

Fish aren't animals guys according to sources

[split mortar]

Tgat why they called fush bot animsl

[hoary cape]

Did you just have a stroke

[split mortar]

One ear is fizzling (not unhealthy)

Im holding my phone at an ood angle

[leaden bridge]

A person who thinks all the time

[feral skiff]

I think, therefore I am

[neat tinsel]

the terrarian's lore is up to ME?

so that means my OC, a reincarnation of Jeremy Clarkson whose end goal is to make yharim drive a reasonably priced car, is canon?

[pulsar ocean]

I guess bro

[neat tinsel]

thanks minos prime

[wanton pendant]

I mean I think he'd drive a Volkswagen.

[thorn drift]

the only thing not up to you is that your terrarian sucks ASS at naming things

at least according to draedon

[neat tinsel]

yeah fair enough

i can work with that

[thorn drift]

like, whatever you do, that is a constant

it's undeniably canon and I find that hilarious

[inner grove]

Question about terrarian lore, is our ability to respawn actually canon or just a gameplay thing? And if it is canon is there any connection to Yharon?

[vivid cloud]

I think virtually anything about the Terrarian is up to your own interpretation.

[mighty zenith]

officially not canon, but it's something you can headcanon for your terrarian if you want

[limpid saddle]

I dont think ressurection is canon but it's lumped into 'terrarian is you' so it can be

[limpid saddle]

FUCK IM 🐌

[wanton pendant]

Like most games, respawning and other game mechanics are not canon.

And Yharon would never even dream of reviving you, even if that was how his ability worked.

[split mortar]

Good luck making it fit the setting of the “everything ends eventually and you have to accept that” mod though

[long bloom]

yeah like the main message of calamity is that nothing lasts forever

[heavy sail]

my headcanon is that my character only actually exists in the composite timeline where she never dies, but still has memories of dying anyway. very vivid ones. so she's slightly insane

[wanton pendant]

Ah, In Stars and Time.

Or Majora's Mask.

Or Undertale kinda.

[heavy sail]

yeah like... i dunno. i want my character's failures to count for something so that they aren't just like, the perfect cool badass hero person yharim talks them up as in cynosure

i don't like it when games treat me like a hero. it's... kinda embarrassing

[split mortar]

Fair

[wanton pendant]

How humble.

[heavy sail]

more like, i have self-esteem issues

[split mortar]

In stars and time

[heavy sail]

i'm the kind of person who will watch like, star wars or something and berate myself because i wouldn't be a cool rebel, i'd probably be an empire bootlicker. even though i don't want to be, i feel i wouldn't be strong or selfless or... energetic enough to take a stand for what's right

[vivid cloud]

-# Unc.

[heavy sail]

it's a weird way of thinking

[long bloom]

Siffrin

[heavy sail]

not really the healthiest

sorry to get personal

[inner grove]

Thank you all for the responses lol, I’m a big fan of the terrarian is why you want so happy a lot of people think that as well

[inner grove]

I personally think it’s something like re zero’s return by death but time still passes in game so idk

[vivid cloud]

What?

[split mortar]

Did not consider that interpretation for terraria respawning

[split mortar]

Asked about terrarian respawning earlier and is thanking for our responses

[wanton pendant]

Anyway this is basically requiem.

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[rain osprey]

who says that your lore for the terrarian needs to fit the story 's themes

[split mortar]

Never said it had to, just said good luck

[inner grove]

I love this, mainly because I think it builds a stronger character. Despite failing so many times the terrarian got stronger and YOU became better.

[wanton pendant]

Your story probably won't be all that fulfilling if you're Johnny Undying who cannot die and also has a crippling fear of women, change and the colour yellow.

[inner grove]

Wish I could go more in depth but work calls :/

[split mortar]

Cya

[untold oracle]

Calamity lore discussion

[timber glacier]

True

[split mortar]

Hiii

[wanton pendant]

Ponder my themes.

[urban nest]

[vivid cloud]

The final boss is a yellow and amorphously-shaped female entity.

[wanton pendant]

XEROC IS A TRANS WOMAN NOW!?

[vivid cloud]

I think. Was that not the reason he had his hair long?

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc's bald.

[magic epoch]

Original starwalker?

[vivid cloud]

Oh, dear.

[vivid cloud]

I don't know what that is🥀

Oh, wait.

https://tenor.com/view/starwalker-star-walker-the-original-gif-2308123341359220974

[magic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/starwalker-star-walker-the-original-gif-2308123341359220974

[vivid cloud]

Boo. Starman Super is cooler.

[magic epoch]

holy shit two cakes

God I love that phrase I use it so much

[vivid cloud]

What's that mean?

I'm scared now.

[eager bluff]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE CAKE

[timber glacier]

They’re in a bakery

[magic epoch]

Two similar things? I could compare them, but I could also enjoy both

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[long bloom]

long hair xeroc is kil

also you can be a guy with long hair

(even though that's also wrong they're actually nonbinary)

[vivid cloud]

Someone sent a picture and said it was Xeroc.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, I was just being mean.

[split mortar]

In the old art he had long hair because the sun should realistically fucking burn and hair would help against that iirc

[eager bluff]

also long hair is fucking awesome

[vivid cloud]

When I was maybe in third grade, I questioned every long haired dude's gender a lot.

Especially if they were my age.

[long bloom]

old design vs new design

[long bloom]

[sacred pilot]

It's sadge cause I really liked the long hair.

[sacred pilot]

Agreed.

Like 99% of my OCs have long hair.

[split mortar]

Clothesless xeroc as well

[long bloom]

good grief he's naked

[sacred pilot]

Long legs.

He feels.

[split mortar]

People have long legs

[sacred pilot]

Tall with no clothes but short with them.

[long bloom]

true
source: me

[vivid cloud]

Long hair no more🥲
At least he has jays now.

[timber glacier]

I guess xeroc has no toes just look at the naked pic of them

[vivid cloud]

This is cursed.
No wonder Yharim and Yharon want him dead.

[long bloom]

i've never been able to touch my toes without bending my knees and just thought i wasn't flexible enough until it was pointed out i have long legs like 2 months ago

[split mortar]

This is before he ate zeratros, back when he and yharon were friends

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is wearing a tabi, thus they are secretly a member of the Onyx Kinsmen and Statis' great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather.

[vivid cloud]

So when they were friends he'd go around in boxers and hang out?

[vivid cloud]

🔥

[split mortar]

idk the dressing standards of the dragons

[long bloom]

not unless he wanted second degree burns from the deadly laser

[wanton pendant]

I mean Yharon doesn't seem to be wearing much but maybe it's just him.

[vivid cloud]

Xeroc foresaw future fetishes, so he acted accordingly.

[vivid cloud]

Yharon also ain't a bipedal wretch like Xeroc.

[long bloom]

explain this liberal

[vivid cloud]

Oh, no.

[limpid saddle]

its so sad how zeratros ripped all of his hair off

[vivid cloud]

Uhhh, at least he ain't human.

[magic epoch]

that blade has a very familiar shape

[long bloom]

which one

[magic epoch]

you saw

[long bloom]

[vivid cloud]

Coolest looking Phoenix I've ever seen.
But he's not humanoid like Xeroc, so he's good.

[magic epoch]

the fucking yharim sword

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

What's the lore behind his sword, by the way?

[eager bluff]

yharims sword? he just has one

[split mortar]

The ultisword stopped being the ultisword years ago

[limpid saddle]

yeah he doesnt have a particularly iconic weapon

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[limpid saddle]

i would consider the time he killed a dozen people with a spine pretty iconic though if im not misremembering that that happened anyway

[split mortar]

So yharim just has a weapon/s we dunno the look of atm

[split mortar]

What

[vivid cloud]

Boo.

[magic epoch]

he has a crystal!

[split mortar]

We do not even have a concrete design the devs will stick with atm 😭

[vivid cloud]

He used someone's vertebrae as a weapon?

[limpid saddle]

i believe so

[split mortar]

I do not remember that being smth yharim did

[cloud ibex]

i hope they keep the thing about his sword being made of the remnants of a charred throne

[vivid cloud]

BOOOOOO.

[limpid saddle]

perhaps 'tis an old lore event i have muddled

[vivid cloud]

That's dope.
He'd get a P rank.

[split mortar]

This was made but its not really liked much and with how far away yharim is he likely will gain new concept art

[vivid cloud]

Hmm.

[plucky juniper]

why do people not like this one

[vivid cloud]

I mean, it looks fine.

[split mortar]

Him compared to calamitas

[vivid cloud]

His size is really what intrigues me😭

[split mortar]

Been a while since i seen the complaints so i do not remember

[split mortar]

He not even taller then the tallest people recorded irl

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is the kind of guy to use any weapon he can get his hands on. He probably has had countless swords in his career.

[vivid cloud]

That's still crazy, though😭

[limpid saddle]

If memory serves it's the changes to the face-plate that ruin the 'iconic' look of the auric tesla helm, and the bulkier armor that makes him look stubbier and less threatening than the old design

[vivid cloud]

Why's he so roided?
Dumb question, actually.

[plucky juniper]

im still shook by the idea for his sword pre-rewrite where he literally used the fucking throne of the previous jungle tyrant he overthrew as his sword

[split mortar]

Century long war and dragon magic and probably actual performance enhancing drugs

[limpid saddle]

which very much emphasized his height & predator qualities through the talons on the boots and claws for fingers

[plucky juniper]

super fucking baller idea

[wanton pendant]

I'm sorry how is the man built like bane 'less intimidating' than mecha chicken?

[limpid saddle]

like i said, too bulky, he looks stubby, though i have conceded that its a bad angle

[vivid cloud]

🔥

[plucky juniper]

i dunno about you but i think this design is perfectly fine actually

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[long bloom]

true

[plucky juniper]

like, it could be updated when we get to him, but this is a spectacular design

[limpid saddle]

I do generally prefer it as do others for the above reasons

[wanton pendant]

I mean that is a good design but when you really look at it he is very thin.

[long bloom]

that's not a problem

[plucky juniper]

i dont think he needs to be beefy and big tho

[limpid saddle]

god forbid a 130 year-old man have a snatched waistline

[vivid cloud]

😭

True.

[long bloom]

you can be jacked and still appear relatively thin

[limpid saddle]

i think you just arent woke enough to see the vision wwg

[long bloom]

proportions wise

[vivid cloud]

Go, my sleeper build.

[wanton pendant]

Are you saying I'm not woke!? After I worked so hard for this!?

[plucky juniper]

btw im not joking about the sword being repurposed from a throne

[split mortar]

Damn

[limpid saddle]

i dont even know whats happening with that helmet design

[long bloom]

this is my interpretation of his body type based on the old design

[limpid saddle]

I cant imagine a throne makes for a very good sword though

[vivid cloud]

I hope they keep this in.
That's actually dope.

[plucky juniper]

i think this was an earlier iteration

[wanton pendant]

That guy's waist has to be at least thrice the size.

[long bloom]

it's a really strong throne

[plucky juniper]

depends on your throne shape

[limpid saddle]

they cant because the jungle tyrant doesnt exist anymore

[vivid cloud]

What do you mean?

[wanton pendant]

There's literally no such title.

[cloud ibex]

just make it war or dogma's throne instead

ez

[split mortar]

Yharim is not the jungle tyrant

[limpid saddle]

in fact the only named enemy ruler who would have a throne to make a sword out of would be amidias

[long bloom]

well yeah but i'm saying they don't have to make him the hulk

[vivid cloud]

Was that old?

[split mortar]

Yeah old lore title

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[long bloom]

changed over 3 years ago

[limpid saddle]

and his throne would be claimed like 90 years into the crusade thus making the sword irrelevant and unimportant to his character

[long bloom]

he is no longer related to the jungle at all

[vivid cloud]

So Jungle Dragon is also old?

[long bloom]

neither is yharon

[wanton pendant]

Those newer designs aren't even Absolute level, let alone Hulk level.

[vivid cloud]

I was wondering what they had to do with the jungle at all😭

[mighty zenith]

jungle dragon only shows up in yharon's theme now

[long bloom]

his new title is the godseeker

[wanton pendant]

Yharon has nothing to do with jungles.
Although that would be implying he ever had anything to do with them beyond being called the 'jungle dragon'.

[mighty zenith]

because changing the name of that is extremely improbable

[vivid cloud]

Much better, actually.

[long bloom]

xeroc also calls him the golden heretic once

[split mortar]

Isnt he also called gilded heratic

Yeah

[vivid cloud]

Says him.

[long bloom]

very auraful

[wanton pendant]

Amidias.

[mighty zenith]

xeroc and yharim love giving each other badass titles

[long bloom]

fuck

[mighty zenith]

like pet names

[wanton pendant]

I don't recall Xeroc ever using the term.

[vivid cloud]

😭

[mighty zenith]

traitor almighty and golden heretic

[vivid cloud]

Pet names?

[long bloom]

it should be xeroc specifically so this is canon

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc and Yharim are a toxic gay couple and the Crusade is a bad fight between them.

[long bloom]

@writers get on this

[mighty zenith]

i do like xeroc calling him golden heretic tbh

[vivid cloud]

Interesting.

[mighty zenith]

they should make me a writer so i can make it canon

[wanton pendant]

Yharon said he wouldn't take sides but he clearly is taking sides.

[west plume]

yharon is actually called the jungle dragon because he possessed a jungle soul

its true

[plucky juniper]

jungle balls

[wanton pendant]

Read my documents.

[long bloom]

holy shit @writers worked

[mighty zenith]

make me writer

[wanton pendant]

Let me make Deerclops canon and Yharim's lesbian aunt.

[limpid saddle]

his star sign was the one that co-incides with nature so he was born with a soul in tune with it... ignore how he keeps setting them on fire... its just his part in the life-cycle...

[vivid cloud]

Actually?

[west plume]

no lol

[mighty zenith]

no lol

😭

im infected syrup's mind

we're attuned just like yhar and yhar

[long bloom]

yhar har

[split mortar]

Old lore did not have any special auric soul adjacent stuff afaik

[vivid cloud]

You've definitely done this before.

[wanton pendant]

Writers, make a Jungle Dragon and have him be someone Yharon did not like in the slightest and that he laughed while watching him die, which he let happen, all because he wouldn't go out with him or something.

[west plume]

mega jungle dragon, brother of mega mammoth dragon

[long bloom]

broke: raelvanna
woke: the great lihzahrd

ancestor of all lihzahrd people

[wanton pendant]

No, Raelvanna was the Life Dragon. We need someone with the Auric Soul of Jungles.

[long bloom]

who yharon had personal beef with and thus radicalized yharim into being super racist against them

[plucky juniper]

enough of yharim hating lihzarhds because yharim is racist

[west plume]

the great lihzahrd actually stole an auric cake from the aerie which is why every lihzahrd is a hardmode enemy

[plucky juniper]

yharim hates lihzahrds becasue they are not birds and yharon is a bird

[split mortar]

I wonder what powers the theoretical domains yharim could have gotten from ascending were

[long bloom]

freeze time

[limpid saddle]

they were very frugal so everybody got a slice

[long bloom]

that's it

he's just dio

[wanton pendant]

"Now, boy, you are born anew as the God of... wait, what? Lifetime Subscriptions? What the hell does that even mean?"

[limpid saddle]

jeff bezos

[vivid cloud]

It's a Pay to Live game.

[raven brook]

I
Hi

[split mortar]

Hi

[raven brook]

I just woke up

[west plume]

god domain which just allows the wielder to make you forget to cancel a subscription forever

[long bloom]

top 5 moderators (not you)

[raven brook]

top 1 evil. Moderator

[long bloom]

fearful

[split mortar]

Thats skelli i think

[wanton pendant]

"Hmm today I will attempt to use the carcass of Silva to ascend." <-- Clueless.

[vivid cloud]

Now who was that?

[wanton pendant]

Silva, the Goddess of Life.

[long bloom]

elemental of nature, goddess of life and the first dryad

[wanton pendant]

They tossed her into the Abyss.

[vivid cloud]

No, I mean who used her carcass to ascend?

[long bloom]

joke

[wanton pendant]

Well I imagine it was a bit more violent than tossing but you get the idea.

[split mortar]

No one, wwg was joking around

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[west plume]

theoretically speaking theres nothing stopping anyone from just scraping the silva sludge off the abyss and just eating it on toast or something to see if it gives you magic power

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying.

If it worked for the squids it should work for us.

[long bloom]

planty mush burger

[split mortar]

Silva is this person

[long bloom]

wait would a burger made of silva be vegan or not

[wanton pendant]

Both, somehow.

[raven brook]

Not even a moderator

:/

[split mortar]

Turns out the goo can easily survive in someone and now you have the goo horrors growing inside you

[vivid cloud]

Planty mush is Silva's essence?
That makes sense, actually.

[long bloom]

it's infused with her essence

[raven brook]

I like how you've committed to posting each individual image

Even balder

Wasnt it 5 before

[split mortar]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Confuses me why people took issue with me posting all of them before

[wanton pendant]

Alt timeline idea: Yharim decides that to handle Silva he's just going to cut her up and use her as endless burger meat, setting up McYharim's as an empire wide restaurant to constantly dispose of her ever regrowing remains.

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

What does Statis look like?

[long bloom]

peak

[split mortar]

Fuck

Dies

[wanton pendant]

Design outdated but that's the latest public version.

[split mortar]

This but woth shadow limbs

[split mortar]

Instead of robot ones

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[sacred pilot]

Speaking of Statis.

[west plume]

this looks like a guy who would have a good brand of gel

[sacred pilot]

Did his killing spree in the Dungeon happen before he got trapped in the Distortion or after?

[long bloom]

certainly before

[wanton pendant]

Almost certainly before.

There'd be a very small window otherwise.

[long bloom]

he like
just got out

[vivid cloud]

I thought Yharim was the guy lopping off heads in the Dungeon.

[split mortar]

It would imply polter was made and the dragon cult only cut ties with yharim months ago

[long bloom]

that was his prison bruh

[sacred pilot]

Yharim was the guy running the Dungeon.

[wanton pendant]

No, why would he do that?

He's not THAT insane!

[vivid cloud]

Mhm.

[wanton pendant]

He's not like the Joker who shoots his own men.

[sacred pilot]

He is insane enough to organize death squads and groom a child into becoming a living WMD though.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, and he doesn't kill them too for fun.

[vivid cloud]

Well, only because it wouldn't benefit him.

[wanton pendant]

And also because it directly goes against his goals.

[west plume]

yharim is such a good, fun loving guy

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[vivid cloud]

He asked us to show Calamitas respect.
He's so thoughtful.

[raven brook]

propaganda posters showing yharim loves animals and babies

[wanton pendant]

I was writing about how he was so concerned about her;
"Maybe he had been too harsh on that girl, and maybe he should have waited before enlisting her."
(Before you even think of asking I'm not a writer and this isn't and never will be canon dialogue.)

[raven brook]

w yharim

[long bloom]

someone needs to make an edit of that superman image with yharim

it'd be so useful

[raven brook]

someone on calart beat you to it

[wanton pendant]

I saw one of those earlier.

[long bloom]

show

[wanton pendant]

Peak.

[long bloom]

🔥

[raven brook]

our favorite morally gray tragic hero

w yharim

[long bloom]

his fall from grace was so sad

[split mortar]

I think cheese is suffering from having organs

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is a kind and gentle man who helps people with too many organs remove them, and he does it for free.

[raven brook]

yep thats what happens to me all the time

[split mortar]

May you dream of one more horse being present then usual

[light linden]

Malus Thorm:

[wanton pendant]

Document my reads.

[cloud ibex]

may you be cyclically struck with the lament of the horse's disappearance and overwhelmed by fear at its return until the end of time

[heavy sail]

wow, that guy looks really noble! i should join his crusade

[noble falcon]

Yharim giving a speech about how awesome and pure and nice his goals are and Draedon interrupts from behind like “sorry, just wanted to let you know, there was a breach at the Super Killer Murder Robot Bunker, you know, the one where we keep and make the Super Killer Murder Robots”

[agile matrix]

murder robots

some kind of... drone....

[noble falcon]

After being fired for not having seen The Bee Movie (Yharim’s most favorite film), Draedon would go on to form his own animation studio to get back at him

[light linden]

I haven't seen the bee movie or murder drones tbh

[wanton pendant]

Watch the Bee Movie (and read my documents).

[noble falcon]

Since the terrarian continent was mostly populated by dubious wizards and smoldering patriots with no time for tv, he modified his signaling tech to reach other timelines and realms, with similar tech as the Atom Splitter facilitating it
Which is how we have the awesome virtual carnival here in our world

[wanton pendant]

Sounds like it's quite amazing.

[noble falcon]

And other things too supposedly

[raven brook]

Lore Discussion

i'm eally bored

i wanna work on roy but everyone else is DEAD. sighhh

[timber glacier]

WHat kind of calamity occured to make evertone else DEAD

[raven brook]

idk crispy wont make my grass

thats probably why

[noble falcon]

Forgot to kill giant clam prehardmode

[timber glacier]

Thats horrible

[raven brook]

do you guys think there was a dragon of gobies

[timber glacier]

Like the fish?

[raven brook]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

Inspire my workings.

[raven brook]

became the god of blennies

[timber glacier]

Gobies aren’t a happening so unfortunately no

[noble falcon]

I think there was a dragon of every unique category of physical object
Don’t go messing around with the dragon of work benches, he’s no wimp

[raven brook]

thats what they want you to think

[timber glacier]

Dragon of lamps, absorbed by the one who became known as the Torch God

[wanton pendant]

Actually, there wasn't.

[raven brook]

i like to think there were like 200-300ish auric dragons

[noble falcon]

Dragon of Bass, he was very very similar to an ordinary bass you get from fishing
His death was accidental and he can now be seen hanging on Yharim’s aerie wall as a Big Mouth Billy Bass

[long bloom]

that's what the dragon of tabloids wants you to think

[noble falcon]

Clearly you were possessed by the long-lost auric soul of the Dragon Of Not Believing In More Dragons

[wanton pendant]

Oh, ha ha, because they have 'what's happening', very clever, next story is about you being put into Calamity Vegas and losing everything to Crabulon.

[long bloom]

logic be damned these mushrooms can gamble

[wanton pendant]

Now you will read my documents, mortal.

[noble falcon]

Yharim going door-to-door handing out crusade propaganda

[magic epoch]

auric dragon of fun and whimsy

[noble falcon]

Auric dragon of auric dragons

[timber glacier]

Auric Dragon of Bone Density

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Gods.

God of Dragons.

[magic epoch]

born of dragon

the dragonborn

[timber glacier]

god of fraud

[raven brook]

I can see this being a thing

[timber glacier]

yeah because they already exist, slime god

[heavy sail]

hell yes

https://tenor.com/view/blenny-blenny-online-blenny-offline-blenny-happens-gif-16182178058031311021

[bright phoenix]

Fishron ancestor found

You think anyone has tried absorbing multiple auric souls? Is that possible?

Unfathomable greed

[timber glacier]

If you absorb to many you kind of become like polterghast and become unrecognisable and stuff

[bright phoenix]

Ahh makes sense

Utter loss of ego

[raven brook]

theoretically you could& but as quinn said yea

not a good idea because the more souls you have the more unstable they are and the closer you get to polterghastification

gods already are quite unstable (three souls in one) so i reckon it wouldnt take much more for you to GRAHHH GRAHH IM A GHOUL AHH

[eager bluff]

i think the absolute limit was 4 auric souls before you become literal auric polterghast

[bright phoenix]

Huh damn

[cosmic zenith]

(Not official)

[eager bluff]

though this is dev statement hell and from like 3 years ago

[cosmic zenith]

Yes that is dev statement hell from like 3 years ago

[raven brook]

I LOVE THE TASTE OF DEV STATEMENTS

[cosmic zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1065385117398347837/1493412970972057822/IMG_0643.gif

The dev statements haunting my basement:

[bright phoenix]

Clam lore is an ever shifting tide, I am still trying to unlearn the old canon stuff that got reworked

Not a bad thing considering how much cooler it is now

But gotta sort each piece of info

[idle mulch]

who are these in the perspective of?

like who is writing these

i dont know what to call them since each one has a different name

[eager bluff]

yharim

[idle mulch]

that name seems familiar

[eager bluff]

hes the big bad of calamity

[idle mulch]

i thought the brimstone witch was the big bad of calamity

being called supreme calamatas or something

[eager bluff]

nope calamitas isnt the big bad

shes a fairly major antagonist but yharim is the man behind almost literally everything major thats happened in lore

[idle mulch]

also is it like a chara frisk situation, where hes following us around many years after they died

or are we yharim

like its very confusing

[eager bluff]

neither

[idle mulch]

then how are we getting these messages

[eager bluff]

yharim is still alive he's just fucked off to somewhere we cant access

[idle mulch]

LMAO

[eager bluff]

he mind blasts them at us

[idle mulch]

thats hilarious

[eager bluff]

eventually the obtainment method for them will be better (we find what is essentially a walkie-talkie that connects to him and thats how he communicates with us) but as of right now its just mind blasts

[cosmic zenith]

(Which, as you have aptly demonstrated, is an awful and confusing way of conveying lore)

[magic epoch]

cmt has conjured up yet another amazing idea. I present to you: calamitas' secret third brother, Jonathan

[timber glacier]

I do like that his name suggest Jonathans are a kind of tragedy

[eager bluff]

do you want to get jonathan'd

[idle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[bright phoenix]

She's actually chill af

[magic epoch]

eh

[eager bluff]

no shes quite fucked up

[bright phoenix]

Just gotta get to know her a bit, fight her to the death, yknow normal stuff

[bright phoenix]

It's okay so are we with the countless biomes we have excavated and creatures we have murdered

☠️

[eager bluff]

its quite countable actually

you only need 2 hands for it

[bright phoenix]

Huh

[magic epoch]

also she's more fucked up when it comes to her mental and less what she's actually done. like she needs help. yes what she has done is bad but it'd be wrong to place most of the blame on her

[bright phoenix]

Oh my god it's THE John Calamity

[bright phoenix]

Yeah if anything, I feel bad for Calamitas. She's done horrible things, but was essentially groomed into it by Yharim and it left her utterly broken and tired of it all.

Not to fully excuse her actions, she committed some atrocious crimes and mentions even reveling in the height of the massacre and power she felt before it took its toll on her, but she did not choose the life that she did and clearly feels immense guilt for it all

One of the few lines of dialogue we get from interaction quotes from her, I absolutely love:

"...For some reason, the Sea King does not want me dead. That kind of compassion I just cannot understand."

She does truly believe she deserves the full hatred of those she's wronged, to burn in flames of retribution as does her brimstone fire symbolize. But Calamitas was just another tool to Yharim, one he took care in shaping to his whims. The scars remain, and she has no place to go.

She's a very fascinating character and I hope we get to see more of her and hopefully, see her improve and atone. I think her current dialogue suggests she'd want nothing more deep down if only she thought she was capable.

[tough nest]

indeed

[raven brook]

Not comparable at all let's be fr

You're not committing a ethnic cleansing on a entire civilization you're like killing zombies that show up at your doorstep to eat you

[long bloom]

well MY terrarian commits an ethnic cleansing against shroombles

[raven brook]

Calamitas definitely has done some horrible things on the past but it was under very unfortunate consequences partially beyond her control and yharim manipulation etc etc

She's not free of sin and it dosen't justify her actions but it also does igve leeway for her to become a better person and do her best to make up for what hse did, which is generally what her characterization is meant to reflect

[heavy sail]

also the guy who you broke out of cryogen is her former teacher and adopted dad!

[bright phoenix]

Fair enough, I was thinking that some of the bosses we kill being possible last members of endangered or dying species and the forces that we unleash to disrupt the land were probably very devastating, but not nearly to the extent of nuking an entire ocean into desert

[raven brook]

the worst thing the terrarian does not accounting for your own personal characterizations of them in an objective level would probably be releasing moon lord and destroying WoF

[bright phoenix]

My terrarian digs up half of every biome 😭

[raven brook]

everything else ranges from incosequential and slightly morally dubious at worse and just objectively good at best

like killing aquatic scourge can be seen as kind of weird because it was just a random animal that was kind of just chilling but its still a whole lot easier to justify than anything like. any of the notable post ml antagonists did :sob 😭

[long bloom]

releasing moonlord was extremely risky and careless but didn't actually do anything bad

[bright phoenix]

Yeah I was thinking about those 2, and possibly assisting with the spread of world evils with how it hastens as we go on but we are also supposed to clentaminate it so that's more individual on an individual level

[long bloom]

wof yeah that fucked things up

[raven brook]

yeah ml is just a case of

[heavy sail]

my terrarian replants the trees she cuts down. we are not the same

[raven brook]

nothing bad happened but boy it could've!

specially considering we didn't even know how strong it was

imagine if it had regained a significant part of its strenght and wasnt stuck in chud mode

we basically gambled atp

[bright phoenix]

Yeahhh I was thinkin aquatic scourge, dragonfollies, fishron and old duke, but murking these few guys as you said isn't quite up there

[long bloom]

"wow thank fuck this thing somehow didn't regenerate at all in 850 years"

[raven brook]

dragonfollies aren't really endangered

and old duke

goodness gracious

[bright phoenix]

Ayo I exclusively use axe of regrowth

[long bloom]

dragonfollies are. the exact opposite of endangered

[heavy sail]

nice

[long bloom]

and old duke is literally just evil

[bright phoenix]

Invasive?

[raven brook]

The Swarm

[long bloom]

he's a racist slave owner

[heavy sail]

such and underrated item

[bright phoenix]

I thought yharim said they were hunted to near extinction

[bright phoenix]

Oh shit I didn't know that lol

[eager bluff]

they reproduce exponentially

[long bloom]

i think? that was referring to offshoots in general

[bright phoenix]

All I know about him is that yharim says he was one of the oldest fishrons to escape genocide

[raven brook]

Old duke is weird

[bright phoenix]

Ahhh

[raven brook]

alot of lore about it in a nebulous void of devp lans that isnt reflected ingame yet

[eager bluff]

even if they were hunted to near extinction they can pop back from that in like a month

[raven brook]

but all that is guaranteed is that he is Not just a animal

[bright phoenix]

That, explains it LMAO

[raven brook]

i mean dragonfolly's whole thing is that they are hyperviolent swarmers

evil ass bird

[long bloom]

byeah there's no real reason for killing aquatic scourge other than for the lols

[bright phoenix]

Gotcha gotcha

[raven brook]

There could be

[bright phoenix]

He IS passive until we attack him too, just filter feeding in the sea

[eager bluff]

folly gives birth like 8 times in the fight its insane

[raven brook]

But it's not as obvious as like providence

because that's just a evil mf

[bright phoenix]

Wait that's him giving birth?????? I thought he was calling his bros

[raven brook]

without the right justification killing AS could be a moral fallacy

[long bloom]

it just chilled there and kept the ecosystem in check by existing

[raven brook]

while killing Providence is like. bojectively good no matter what

[bright phoenix]

Didn't know we had mothron 2 out here

[raven brook]

is the difference

[eager bluff]

yeah do you know what follys ai is a ripoff of

[bright phoenix]

Yeah fuck Providence bruh

[raven brook]

Could be a queen bee scenario where you accidentaly provoke it and had to fight back

[bright phoenix]

And D.O.G

[long bloom]

like yeah killing it makes you stronger and move further towards your goal but. so would anything else

[long bloom]

i guess

though you can also just leave at any time

[raven brook]

Also i feel like you could sorta argue Aquatic Scourge is actually bad for the enviroment

[long bloom]

unlike with qb

[bright phoenix]

☠️ I didn't even consider
Thought it was Fishron like Yharon

[raven brook]

It as far as i understand is not a native species but more so just a stranded individual of a oceanic species that resides in the sulphur sea

[eager bluff]

nope its mothron its literally just mothron with lightning

[bright phoenix]

Oh my god

[raven brook]

And the species that it deters on the other hand

seem to be actually native to the sulphur sea and fully evolved for it

so you COULD make a case ht might actually possibly be a invasive indiivudal

specially if like

there's only one

if it was an actual species adapted for hte sulphur sea

there wouldnt be only one

[bright phoenix]

This is so #YharimCoded

[raven brook]

there'd be a large enough population where killing one wouldnt be a major issue

[bright phoenix]

Themes and parallels and such

[long bloom]

hm true

[scenic olive]

can you cook crimstone into a fine gourmet

[raven brook]

in terms of what bosses are probably just objectively good to get rid off you have like uhh

basically anything from the evil biomes

[eager bluff]

its rocks so not on its own

[raven brook]

evil1, evil2, eoc

[scenic olive]

isnt it part meat or something

[heavy sail]

maybe it could be a nice seasoning, like salt!

[bright phoenix]

I do like the idea that the terraria mirrors Yharim in our path and that our actions are firmly in the gray area overall, giving Calamitas more reason to call us out for following in his footsteps, but I do also think we are aiming to be overall good

Unless dev team plans to add a good/evil route system like mod of redemption LMAO

[eager bluff]

even if its part meat its still part rock

[raven brook]

defeating wskeletron means you save what seems to be a largely innocent, if not a bit creepy old guy

[bright phoenix]

Yummy flesh rock

[raven brook]

the mechs r also just obejctively good to take care of

they're literally yharmy soldiers

that are still actively going around killing shit

[eager bluff]

if you can get the meat out sure then thats just like marrow people cook with marrow all the time

but you cannot cook the actual crimstone

[bright phoenix]

But yeah despite how I WANT to see things, overall with just our boss kills it's pretty much just acts of good save for WoF and possibly moonlord and some random scourge animal

[raven brook]

defeating astrum deus restores it to its uninfected self so it can continue to protect terraria from further infection so that's alsojust good

profaned guardians and providence need no explanation.

[bright phoenix]

Oh I didn't know we actually cured Astrum deus upon killing it

[raven brook]

It's one of the few bosses supposed to not actually die on the fight but it just dosen't really look like that ingame because boss old

[bright phoenix]

Oohhh

[raven brook]

it'll look like that later

Polterghast is basically a mercy kill atp and also just. it existing is not helping anyone

its just a

heh

feral amalgamation

the same for ravager really

[bright phoenix]

Heh

[raven brook]

its just a mercy kill for agnus and also taking care of a mindless brute that goes around killing shit

devourer needs no explanation also.

[eager bluff]

yharon also needs to explanation

[bright phoenix]

Get that guy outta here

[heavy sail]

i was gonna mention polterghast. perhaps you're finally letting those spirits rest, or freeing them...

speaking of freeing people, that's what happens when you beat up a giant clam and a magic ice cube

[bright phoenix]

I felt bad for Yharon in old lore mostly cause I thought he was kinda just staying out of obligation to Yharim, but def not anymore

[raven brook]

i cant wait for sso in 20 years so instead of freeing amidias from inside of the clam we can free his soul from it

[bright phoenix]

I also thought we straight up killed the last dragon in old lore

Unless his son is canon

[raven brook]

yharon is dead but he'll get etter unless someone absorbs his soul

but like there area lot of dragons left

just not, auric dragons

[bright phoenix]

?

Oh

[heavy sail]

i hate it when i go to reflect in the ruins of my destroyed kingdom and then i get eaten by a giant clam. so annoying

[bright phoenix]

He used to love clams too!!!!

Bet he just wanted to pet this exceptionally large specimen because amidias seems like the kinda guy who'd pet a clam

[heavy zenith]

I like dogs

[heavy sail]

absolutely yes

[raven brook]

did you guys know giant clam was going to steal amidias's soul in sso

[heavy sail]

and then one devoured you

[raven brook]

i hope thats still real .

we even had souless amidias husk sprite

[heavy zenith]

I, for one, would pet a clam

[bright phoenix]

Whaaat

[raven brook]

you'd get a quest thatd be like

AGHHH TERRARIAN THE CLAM STOLE MY FUCKING SOUL PLEASE GET IT BACK IT HURTS AUGHHHH

[timber glacier]

how does he have a sole hes a seahorse he has no shoes

[raven brook]

@ruby heart wasnt that real