lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

THE LORDE is Yharim's true form.

Hectate is what happened after Draedon let BonziBuddy design a mech.

Permafrost was on coke.

[split mortar]

Wide ape and its disciples are not healthy ti the universes function

[raven brook]

Well how do you get stronger ingame

[split mortar]

Hello “spriter”

[agile matrix]

gorilla blood

goes into my veins

[raven brook]

You get life crystals increasing your max health, better equipment for greater mobility, defense and attack, upgrade yourself with a wide range of consumables

There's your answer really

[empty carbon]

Dog hasn't even killed any gods he just gave himself that title too flex

[split mortar]

You will get clotheslined into another dimension and non euclidean speeds

[wanton pendant]

That's... that's just true.

[agile matrix]

no I will

[split mortar]

Whats funny thats true

[raven brook]

DoG has killed gods but no named ones

[empty carbon]

He killed some weak ass gods

[agile matrix]

I am the Non-Euclidean Chimpanzee

[empty carbon]

That counts

[split mortar]

Yeah but the title started out self proclaimed

So dog first used it as aura like the shitling he is

[agile matrix]

im making a monument mythos reference here

[ornate turret]

i meant to say me aswell i didnt payed attention on what I typed sorry T-T

[split mortar]

Happens

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry, most Terraria players can't even read, so you're doing better than most!

[ornate turret]

💔💔💔

[empty carbon]

Oh god I have a mod idea now too make the gfb seed absolutely fucking hilarious

[split mortar]

Ima go sleep its late, reminder to for the lore documents or something they pretty cool ok goodnight.

Waterwraighggaming you will have an extra brick added to the functions of your home till the consequences happen.

[wanton pendant]

Wait who the hell is Waterwraighgaming?

[raven brook]

gn

[wheat walrus]

YOU

[hoary cape]

Siffrin more like saffron

You are being converted into a herb

[eager bluff]

your byproducts are now worth $2000

[robust osprey]

this image is fucked up

(I'd do it again)

[timber glacier]

Despite everything, its still you

[heavy sail]

play it, souja boy

[robust osprey]

I read YOU so many times I'm starting to forget what YOU means

its just lines with no meaning anymore

[raven brook]

https://youtu.be/Wz4P6CGpx1c

god of war god that embodies the domain of war calamity mod

[heavy sail]

and then you've got losers like yharim who feel like they have to go around making up good and just reasons to indulge in their bloodlust, smh, kids today

all worried about "justice" and "morality"

[raven brook]

unironically from the little we know about john war this is exactly why i'm excited for him to be a Real Character Talked About In THe Mod

Unlike aot of other villains the narrative dude just wants to kill people. no fancy motivation or sugarcoating just

MAN. i fucking LOVE killing people

and yeah credit where credit is due atleast he's honest

[heavy sail]

yeah, characters like that are pretty fun

i myself am very curious about that god of dogma guy. what exactly would someone embodying the concept of rigid, unchanging belief be like?

probably insufferable

[raven brook]

Dogma definitely was the first guy to actually call himself a god

[heavy sail]

ooh, i like that idea

[raven brook]

Whatever yharim said "And then xeroc declared himself the first god"

[heavy sail]

xeroc never went around demanding to be deified... but this guy sure did

[raven brook]

it's still so funny to think about how yharim portrays xeroc as this big bad betrayer and the original sinner and the one whos the TRUE bad guy behind it all

and then you look at xeroc's crimes and it's like

• killing zeratros under dubious circumstnaces
• fucking off forever

meanwhile for yharim you have the wikipedia pahe for war crimes

[noble falcon]

Once you kill Yharim, Xeroc shows up and hands you a paper with a link printed on it
You go to it and it’s the newly updated page with the added text “This page is incomplete, you can help by expanding it”

[long scaffold]

"Terrarian, please look at this very evil guy probably off watering his garden or something terrible and ignore my consistent violation of the Geneva Convention."

[heavy sail]

i guess if you wanted to, you could call xeroc kinda useless. like where were you when the yharmy was ravaging terraria, god of primordial light?
but that actually just makes me imagine they didn't actually like
expect to actually become the highest and most powerful divinity

"huh, never thought i'd get this far."

[raven brook]

Xeroc's biggest crime imo is absolutely his inaction but i think there are very reasonable in-character explanations for it

[heavy sail]

so they're just gonna throw that rock into the abyss so that things hopefully don't get too out of hand, and if anyone finds it, they'll say hi

[raven brook]

cheese xeroc headcanons explanation 359

[leaden bridge]

i mean

there could be but they mostly sound unbelievable

[heavy sail]

side note i'm pretty sure xeroc uses they/them and not he/him

[raven brook]

nah it's both

[eager bluff]

he/they

[heavy sail]

oh! okay

[leaden bridge]

like yeah it would make sense that hes like super preventing noxus omega auricide or whatever but its like

[raven brook]

No i'm not talking abt that

I think that people should see Xeroc's inaction as a flaw of his character

[leaden bridge]

idk its kinda hard to like actually believe the logistics of Oh this guy has literally 0 minutes to prevent a hundred years of genocide

[eager bluff]

yeah no his inaction is absolutely a flaw

[raven brook]

I feel like alot of the explanations given focus more on justifying Xeroc's actions

And why it's ok he didn't do anything

[heavy sail]

maybe becoming divine makes it harder to care about mortal life the course of history in the same way you used to

[raven brook]

While i personally think a much better approach is to tie it into paranoia and hyperfixating on the single task of preventing the same disaster that destroyed the auric dragons from happening again

Xeroc is the "successor" to Zeratros in a way, the guilt of having to kill his friend alongside the immense pressure of thinking he is the only one that can possibly prevent something like Fovos from happening again makes him massively tunnel vision and refuse to abandon his mission at hand

He is the only one that can do it so he has to focus entirely on it, not to mention any people he knew that could've helped from the past are now long gone

Yharon's the only one left and he's too busy being a racist genocider and hating XXeroc's ass to be o any help

[eager bluff]

but i can also see explanations for why he doesnt act wether that be he doesnt want to intervene in fear of that costing him a critical moment to deal with moon lord 2 or fear of him becoming moon lord 2 by intervening or something else entirely

[raven brook]

Not to mention the additional perspective of Xeroc thinking "Well, what if i, with all this power, come down, do something, and just make things worse. What if i become Fovos Two"

[heavy sail]

that actually makes a lot of sense

no idea how to handle that much power. hey, if he didn't have perfect control over it, there's a neat calamitas parallel there, kinda

[raven brook]

i think Xeroc's character should basically dive into the fact he's ultimately just a Guy with 500 metric tons of pressure adn responsibility on his back behind the presentation of The First God, The Strongest Being, Etc

[eager bluff]

his fear of moon lord most likely nearly entirely dictates his actions

[raven brook]

Guilt too, i think

Like he killed Zeratros, regardless of the circumstances

So it's not only the fear of having been there for Fovos's invasion and knowing what'll happen if he lets it happen again

But also the idea of "I'm the one who killed him, i have to continue his legacy and duty or else i murdered my friend for nothing"

[heavy sail]

if they fuck up... their closest friend will die for nothing- yeah! you beat me to it

[raven brook]

I think far too oftne Xeroc is portrayed as this almost flawless perfect god who's so much above mortal issues or whatever

Atleast in fan spaces

[eager bluff]

anything he does has to be in preparation of another moon lord or in prevention of another moon lord which from his experience is a very reasonable stance because he SAW what happened when nobody was prepared for the first moon lord

[raven brook]

And i think funnilly enough taht would be what Xeroc would be initially seen as by other characters

but once you peel that back yeah i think he's just a guy

who is trying to do good

But is ultimately not approaching things flawlessly

and his past & trauma causes hi to kinda fumble

[heavy sail]

tbh i never thought that much about xeroc's character, it's cool hearing your (both spriter and scourge) takes on him!

[eager bluff]

subnautica 2 spoilers ||its kinda similar to NoA's singular directive being to establish and sustain a colony and any and all action has to align with that goal||

[heavy sail]

i think i just filed xeroc away under "too divine to care about mortal affairs/probably too beyond mortal understanding to sympathize with," now i have a more detailed shape of them in my head

though i do still think godly detachment could be a part of it. just not a driving part

[raven brook]

I think it'd be a part in the sense they've livved for so long and have been so disconnected from everything that things feel incredibly distant now

More so than being caused by the divinity itself, since ultimately, if he was like that

[heavy sail]

yeah, that's what i meant

[raven brook]

It would basically be him larping as God if u think abt it

[heavy sail]

(semi-related: i have this headcanon about permafrost being older than basically any other mortal and i think it was having a not so nice effect on his mental health after about 300 years. specifically, he was feeling like nothing he did impacted the world in any meaningful way- so joining the yharmy was a way for him to do something that matters again. but then by the end he was more trapped and powerless than he had ever been. well, before being literally trapped in a magic ice cube)

[bright phoenix]

Made a sketch, doesn’t have armor yet and I’m not sure if I’m happy with the design (things like the wings should get patterns later, I just didn’t add many details yet) but y’all fw this concept? I heard Xeroc’s godly designs, at least in the past, were moth inspired, so I wanted some of Xeroc’s ascension to reflect black on Zeratros

I also wanted something to be on his chest to represent the ‘eye’ of the primordial light symbol, and tried to make the silhouette possibly resemble the symbol in some way as much as possible, but I had no clue what to do so I put a literal eye there for now 💀💀

I am not the most creative

I don’t hate it tho

What do y'all loreheads would think would be best for Zeratros tho

[leaden bridge]

Don't use the primordial light symbol as inspiration

[bright phoenix]

It DOES belong to zeratros before it does Xeroc, doesn't it?

[leaden bridge]

Yes but i think it should be redesigned and hopefully everyone agrees. It's a carryover from old lore, means absolutely nothing in its modern use and is literally the moon rune from Bloodborne

[bright phoenix]

Oh lmao

I did not know that

That makes things a bit awkward

[leaden bridge]

If you go check the terminus concept art that's on the wiki's concept art page u can see the intention behind the symbol when it was drawn up for terminus.

[heavy sail]

damn i didn't know about the bloodborne thing

[bright phoenix]

Ooh that's cool

I didn't realize there was a full ass breakdown

🔥 🔥

[noble falcon]

You show up to fight Yharim, he does his intro animation and gets killed in the middle of it
Real final battle, go kill Orphan Of Kos

[heavy sail]

see i know nothing about bloodborne or really any fromsoft game. the elum thing was news to me too

[bright phoenix]

Can my cat be the new Xeroc symbol she's basically the same thing

[heavy sail]

awww

[bright phoenix]

Dumbest thing I've posted here

I see xeroc in everything now

[bright phoenix]

Wait where are my edits

Discord how could you do this to me

[heavy sail]

ah, the hornet/something/minos prime effect

[bright phoenix]

wait the edits are there after all??? discord is gaslighting me rn by replacing the picture with the one in my photo gallery and I had to check again on a different device 💀

[west plume]

non-canon but i wrote it so i will share it:

Cadence awoke before an underground lava flow, in a quartz cave filled with glowing argon moss. ‘I..’ they began to stutter.

‘I am the Deity of Faith’, spoke the individual. ‘What is your name?’
I am Cadence. 16,203. For some reason, my mind was compelled to keep counting units of time this way.
‘What number are you at now?’ the individual asked. ‘Sixteen thousand, two hundred ninety three.’ I spoke in lockstep. 

‘Sing me a melody, fine patron!’ 

This person knew I could sing?

The individual looked confused when I did not honor his request. He beckoned an individual from deeper in the cave, riding a pale horse covered in scabs and bruises, with long, well-groomed hair nonetheless. The individual appeared to snap every bone into place just barely, making a sickening crunch. Cadence had noticed that he had always had the reins of the horse in his hands. Cadence then noticed that the individual’s legs were bony stumps of different sizes. The individual, dog tags hanging from his neck, looked up at Cadence with a sickening milky eye through a blood covered helmet, He coughed exactly 4 times, each time sputtering up blood, sinew, and bits of what looked to be his internal organs. His tongue, barely hanging on by a thread after this action, slithered like a slug back into his mouth to do its duty.

He then spoke to a nearby subordinate, and handed him a satchel carrying what appeared to be a sword before pointing at the wall. The subordinate, clad in basic chainmail, anachronistic for this time period, seemed to understand. He had a deep rasp. Reminiscent of that of a chronic smoker. He had begun to regenerate his legs, which began to emit the noise of bubbles popping as nubile skin, sopping wet flesh and spongy bones had reformed out of the existing flesh.

This individual pointed at me and began to shamble forward. ‘SING.’
I did as commanded. The individuals looked at each other and shared a hearty chuckle.

The white robed one remarked, ‘You were using your magicks there, lad. You’re one of us, ain’t ye?’

He pointed to the ensanguined individual and asked me, ‘What is your opinion of this man?’ 

He was disgusting. Downright horrible. He smelled of rot, had yellowing fingernails, I could not trust this supposed warrior if his task was to protect a pile of dung.

The white robed individual spoke my exact thoughts and the beat I had counted - 15,239 - to the individual on horseback. 

The one in white - the supposed Deity of Faith took his robe off and had revealed a belt of severed heads. He had told me to sit down, and I had listened. 1. He began to list off the name of the first individual, rightmost his hip from my perspective. ‘This one’s name is Dravin!’ 2. ‘Ah, that’s enough. I know exactly what you think of me now.’ I held back tears. ‘I know exactly how useful you are.’ 3. I quickly made an effort to escape immediately after the beat. 4. It was too fast, and the individual on horseback was already chasing me. 5. I ran past the red-haired individual. He had a curious look on his face. 6. I looked back, and the individual had torn off one of his fingers to flick it at me like a dart. 7. The individual had bellowed, ‘I WANT THEM ALIVE.’ Several flecks of blood emanate from his mouth.

[west plume]

yeah

[cosmic zenith]

Nice head shape!

[bright phoenix]

thank you!!

[heavy zenith]

Are blocks, or tiles or whatever, still 2x2 feet in Cal?

[leaden bridge]

I don't see why they wouldn't be

[eager bluff]

there is no way for them to not be

because the ingame measuring system marks them as such

[leaden bridge]

It would also be very pointless to change that

[west plume]

no. they are exactly one inch smaller

in both directions

[leaden bridge]

Inconvenient!

[west plume]

i made that up on the spot

[raven brook]

they're 2x2 hands instead

[timber glacier]

Weird Question but like is the community meant to be something in lore cos isn't it like one of the legendary items or something or is it just a random crystal thing

[split mortar]

Oh its not dedicated

Yeah it canon

But also has no lore on it

Weird

[timber glacier]

but like what even is it

[timber glacier]

Why does anahita drop a random rainbow rock what does it mean

[timber glacier]

I know shattered community aint canon cos that officially dedicated to Ozzatron, but like the Community isn't really dedicated but like idk

[split mortar]

Its not dedicated so it is canon
But
We know like nothing of it

[timber glacier]

I do remember something like theres plans to make the once legendary weapons have lore tool tips or something like how they gave some to Blossom Flux, Malachite, Pristine Fury and SHPC and The community was Anahita & Leviathans one but idk

[agile matrix]

the community should drop from whichever boss has most recently gotten a rework

[timber glacier]

but what if two bosses got a rework at the same time

[agile matrix]

they both drop it

[zenith geode]

whichever rework was finished later in dev

[agile matrix]

funnier option. this

[pulsar ocean]

I always thought the community was a funny non canon 4th wall break

and the community was referring to us

[split mortar]

Yeah thats what its probably meant to be

[timber glacier]

but like why does it drop from anahita out of all bosses

[limpid saddle]

Fan favourite?

[timber glacier]

?Shes not really a fan favourite shes just kind of there at least fromwhat I've seen

[zenith geode]

leviana wasnt even a fan favourite when community got added iirc

[limpid saddle]

i mean shes a pretty good boss & appeals to alot of people, along with an appropriate point in progression to get meaningful boosts from The Community & immideatly make players consider doing optional bosses they maybe otherwise wouldn't've

we all know how bloated hard mode progression is my best guess is it was to encourage people to interact with it

[timber glacier]

Its weird how like the community kept the legendary scaling but like all other of the legendary items lost the scaling thing

Like I guess since its just a stat stick without the scaling it would be very lame as an accessory

[zenith geode]

i likethe partof the community where its rarely worth using

if even worth using at all

[timber glacier]

Community rework where its actually a unique accessory and not just a dumb stat stick

[zenith geode]

post leviana you get moon charm
post golem you get cshell
postml i guess its usable
post polter you get affliction
post yharon you have the most competition for obscenly powerful accessories of any point in the game

[timber glacier]

Like its currently kind of only really useful if you for some reason have an empty slot cos its kind of easy to slot on but like its too rare to really justify it

[zenith geode]

yeah

hmmmm

community is leviathan pearl

idk

[timber glacier]

Whats leviathan pearl?

[zenith geode]

idk i just made somethng upon the spot

[timber glacier]

Oh I thought you were comparing it to something else in game

[zenith geode]

community is leviathan's kidney stone :clu

[timber glacier]

The community is actually anahita’s heart

Totally

But like theres probably some way they could make community actually interesting of an item but idk

[limpid saddle]

i like the idea of an accessory that gets better as you beat more bosses though thats fun

[timber glacier]

Like it can definitely keep that idea but like as is its stats tend not to be worth it most of the time and like it could be more interesting if it wasn’t just a stat stick

[timber glacier]

random thought for it I guess it could be cool if it like in some way gave the player a new meter similar to rage or adrenaline to match how shatterred community also revolves around a meter, being rage-focused kinda I guess

[sinful adder]

How would you make it anything other than a stat stick while having it scale?

Like I guess maybe you could have it scale with the number of town NPCs in the world

Or you could make the stats themselves more interesting ones

[timber glacier]

I dunno maybe like let it buff your stats if you like activate a special mechanic or something idk its just as is it is a boring item and kind of a noob trap where people think its completely broken cos of how many stats it brings

[sinful adder]

It's not bad in the late game

It's usable

[timber glacier]

its not bad its just people sometimes seem to act like its utterly broken

[sinful adder]

Yeah

[timber glacier]

its like just there as an option that exists but like its weirdly seen as like insane

[heavy sail]

it represents the power of friendship, and leviathan and anahita are best friends

[limpid saddle]

well what do you guys think the community should do/grow in a hypothetical rework

i cant think of much that would be earnestly meaningful and make it valuable outside of the stat stick elements

[timber glacier]

I could see like idk maybe like some sort of boost to like using several weapons instead of just one or something

[limpid saddle]

seems kind of niche for an accessory meant to embody every calamity fan

maybe it should make all text indecipherable nonsense as a reference to how calamity fans cant read

[sinful adder]

It should gain power the more happy town NPCs you have

So it's at max power when you have every town NPC all at high happiness (exact maximum is impossible to have for all of them at once, so just some threshold)

The stat boosts should be specific things that feel like they make sense for such a thing

Maybe damage, health regen, mana Regen, and minion slots?

Or alternatively maybe like...

Melee speed, ranged crit chance, mana regen, minion slots, and health regen

[random mulch]

different stat boosts depending on which npcs are happy

[pulsar ocean]

keep ts niche

[bright phoenix]

I like that idea, encourages us to take care of the town/world to reap full benefits and represents the Community that you've built up in your path down the road left behind by the Godseeker

[jaunty aspen]

Time to announce it

[bright phoenix]

It could be kept as post Anahita/Leviathan but maybe sold or given by Amidias instead so it is from the Community that it benefits from. It could be explained as some sort of prismatic, crystalline artifact that empowered the Sea King based on his own Community of denizens, but now that it is gone he has only really held onto it for sentiments and deigns to lend it to us? It would also give us more reason to buy/talk to Amidias in hardmode basically at all 😭 😭

And it would make sense that the former King of Ilmeris would know of and Anahita & Levi. I'm not sure what the connection could be for why it would be the specific reason he finally decides to give you the Community, but there is a thread of connection there that could be woven into something that actually makes sense instead of my jabbering

And it is thematically cool to consider the Community a relic that represents the power of a King that stems from their people, making another parallel from the player to Yharim

[crude musk]

And then calamitas shatters it just like she shattered his kingdom

[bright phoenix]

SO TRUE LOL

She could even offer a cool tooltip on what she saw in the Community upon exhuming, similar to The Burning Sea/Rancor but maybe delving more into more of Yharim's authority as Tyrant King and/or more of the atrocities she had a hand in, communities shattered beneath her fingertips and such and such

[wanton pendant]

I mean he'd probably know they exist since Elementals are reasonably a known force of nature but the chances he'd have encountered them personally are near zero.

[wanton pendant]

Since the Shattered Community isn't canon that's not going to happen.

[bright phoenix]

Yeah, I assumed he'd know of her

[bright phoenix]

I know but theoretically if it were made canon

This is all speculation and throwing out ideas for how the Community could be worked into canon in the future

[wanton pendant]

I mean The Community is already canon it just doesn't have any explanation for what it is or how it works.

[bright phoenix]

Yeah that's what we're talking about

[wanton pendant]

It's just a magic crystal thing.

[bright phoenix]

How we can expand on it

[wanton pendant]

Unless I suppose it's technically dedicated to all Terraria players but the wiki doesn't list it as a dedicated item so it's probably fine.

The issue with making it important though is that people might end up thinking it's good.

[bright phoenix]

LMAO

[bright phoenix]

I make all this yap but I have never really used the community

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

forgot it was edp who was sayin the "i mean its alright, like..." in that gif 💀💀

[heavy sail]

that would be so sick actually

[bright phoenix]

That's what Im saiyan!!! I think it fits too well
Even it being a rainbow crystal could work in the Sunken Sea theme, especially considering how Sea Prisms are canonically utilized to create Exo Prisms (rainbow af)

[pulsar ocean]

i sure do wonder how are they gonna balance out the shattered community for the yharim fight

shadowspec will obviously be moved to post yharim

[wanton pendant]

Shattered Community isn't Shadowspec.

[vivid cloud]

I've used it, and the only reason I liked it because I thought it was so cool getting stronger with every boss you kill.
Kind of like an RPG where you get a stat or XP boost or whatever.

[bright phoenix]

That IS a very cool mechanic

I think the actual buffs behind the item are easily swapped out, especially for such an all-rounder item whereas I prefer some of the more specific accessories, but the mechanics behind it are neat

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[vivid cloud]

I thought it would be cool to be implemented into the game, that's why I liked it so much.
Especially when it was Exhumed and I wasn't on Revengeance yet😂

I loved stacking Rage with the Demonshade armor bonus.

[bright phoenix]

Shattered Community is a whole notha story

[vivid cloud]

I probably won't need it this time since I'm on Revengeance mode now.

[pulsar ocean]

yea no shit

im saying there is a solution to shadowspec

but shattered community is an exhume

and its busted

[graceful sundial]

does anyone knows a good youtube video about calamity lore? I really want to get into it

[split mortar]

https://youtube.com/@generalzatguy?si=6dWJFXqnN5DSYvGf
This persons active here so i trust their vids are trustworthy

[graceful sundial]

thanks

[heavy sail]

the way people talk about people talking about calamity lore is pretty funny to me, honestly. like we gotta make sure no one is spreading misinformation based on outdated lore! it's like we're historians trying to correct misconceptions about the periods we study

...though i can understand how, as a writer, it's probably frustrating to see old ideas you scrapped being more well-known than the new ones you're actually proud of

[split mortar]

The old writing team is different iirc
Its not even their ideas that are more well known

[wanton pendant]

Don't watch videos they are often inaccurate or outdated.

[split mortar]

👎 ur lame

[wanton pendant]

I watched that video.

[heavy sail]

see, this is what i'm talking about

so serious

[wanton pendant]

Some of the timeline points were off by thousands of years.

[heavy sail]

speaking of outdated calamity lore concepts, though, i do like how the idea that's stuck around through all revisions is calamitas and her sorrow

[mighty zenith]

her origin hasnt changed that much, mostly her personality

[heavy sail]

she's always been a deeply hurt woman used as yharim's weapon

[mighty zenith]

she was really bitchy in her dialogue which made more sense when you just killed her

but when she became an npc it became kinda weird

[heavy sail]

...i have heard that she used to talk like sans

[mighty zenith]

"i hate you and you're trash, oh you beat me? ok im gonna join your town now and keep acting like that"

[mighty zenith]

not really

[heavy sail]

or like, she had a sans-like speech

[mighty zenith]

she talked weirdly meta when she was a superboss

[sick moat]

It's fun

[mighty zenith]

fabsol wishes he could write a character as good as sans

[heavy sail]

because the earliest versions of calamity were kinda meta, i think?

glad they scraped that idea

[mighty zenith]

i think nowadays meta stories in indie projects are pretty overdone

[heavy sail]

mean calamitas is pretty funny though, and i think after all she's been through, she's earned the right to be a little bitchy

[heavy sail]

i like a lot of them, but i don't disagree

[mighty zenith]

yeah not to say they're all bad

but its become way more common since undertale

so i actually like that calamity doesnt go for the meta angle given how hard people wanna push the respawning aspect of the terrarian

[mighty zenith]

she's allowed to be mean ofc but i just dont find her interesting when she's written to be an asshole with no further substance

especially since a big part of her story is that she's just... a person

not a comically evil witch who curses people who look at her wrong

[sick moat]

I think it would be great if we had a choice to either continue the fight with calamitas or stop it. Like in redemption mod

[graceful sundial]

dont wanna interupt but is there someone who knows alot about biomes? i wanted to get more info about sunken sea since its my favorite biome in mod

[heavy sail]

your terraria character and how the story treats them are admittedly the part of calamity i vibe with the least. i specifically feel like... i don't really like characters talking about my character like they're this super amazing godly legend, even if i guess they kinda are in universe. it feels a little, i dunno, embarrassing? fortunately there's not too much of it
when i say embarrassing, it is kind of a personal thing- i feel like i'm indulging in too much flattering escapism, if that makes sense.

[mighty zenith]

most likely wont happen

since having to balance out the changes between sparing and killing would suck

[sick moat]

The only thing I know is that the sunken sea is a former kingdom

[mighty zenith]

and having one just be objectively better than the other would also suck

[mighty zenith]

depends on what you wanna know

[heavy sail]

i really like it too. i love the way that navystone and prism crystals look and i always want to built with them, but i never want to just destroy the natural (or i guess, world-generated) beauty of the biome. especially when it's the last refuge for its life after most of it was vaporized

[sick moat]

I think it can be balanced depending on the player's preferences. Player killed the calamitas -> +damage
Player spared the calamitas -> +health. Or something like that

[mighty zenith]

ehh

[graceful sundial]

tbh everything but mostly what is it was before events of mod take place, do poeple lived there, why its sunken etc

[mighty zenith]

theres an entire system tied to the calamitas NPC

plus all the NPC dialogue you'll get with her in the future

[sick moat]

But seriously, I'm just angry that we tore every boss apart before, and for some reason calamitas escaped this fate.

[mighty zenith]

there will be a better explanation once her dialogue is changed

where she will give up fighting herself and realise that it was a mistake

[wanton pendant]

It was a large kingdom until it was destroyed by Calamitas under Yharim's orders.

[graceful sundial]

oooo and dreadon lab we find isnide it was it build after it sunk? or before
(sorry for all that question i feel like i annoy with how much i ask)

[wanton pendant]

After, they'd never let their enemies build research labs inside.

[heavy sail]

i have some bad news for you. a lot of those guys are impossible to truly kill, also astrum deus is going to get a visual update to clarify that it doesn't die- you just basically beat the infection out of the gentle space worm

[graceful sundial]

and speaking of dreadon is he a human, alien or something completly diffrent? im big fan of his character it ramainds me kinda of bondwerd from made in abyss

[zenith geode]

robot

[young socket]

ai

[zenith geode]

well yeah ai hes just got a bunch of robot bodies probably

[heavy sail]

the sunken sea- well, the remaining part of it we can visit- was always underground, i think. the desert formed above it after calamitas evaporated it. in the future, there will be more distinct layers to it. if you throw navystone in the shimmer, you can see different types of stone that will be in those layers

[wanton pendant]

I mean only three bosses are unkillable, two survive and then you technically were never even fighting Draedon himself.

[wanton pendant]

The desert was always there.

[heavy sail]

and then afterwards, draedon set up a lab in there. and you're not being annoying, don't worry!

[graceful sundial]

damn so interseting

[heavy sail]

and yeah he's a robot built 600-ish years ago. the first thing he remembers was activating next to a dead person, which he assumes is his creator.

i don't blame you for not knowing things, i think calamity struggles a lot to communicate its story. largely because it's designed around being able to ignore it if you're not interested, i think

tbh i think it may not be a bad idea to make it harder to avoid, for lack of a better way of putting it. because people are interested! there are so many intriguing questions raised by features and structures in the world alone

[graceful sundial]

before joing this server i only watched teeduck video on lore

and in game clues

[heavy sail]

i'm not saying it needs like, unskippable cutscenes or anything

but having more npc dialogue would be really nice. there's a thing the archmage says that i really like which you only see when he doesn't have a home, but because i always have one ready for him by the time i fight cryogen, i never see it. i wish it was always the one of the first things you see him say

[graceful sundial]

tbh i wouldnt mind more sctures to tell some lore pieces like with astral infiction there could be ruined allien lab with notes left behind telling about it

[heavy sail]

it'd also be nice to get retellings of some of the specific things yharim talks about from the perspectives of other characters who were also there, to make it more clear he's not being completely honest a lot of the time

a surprising amount of people seem quick to take him at his word

[split mortar]

The astral falls when it does in game though so a astronomer building of someone who used to study the stars would probably work better then alien lab

[split mortar]

I doubt some of the people here would have been active for months to over a year on end if one person asking a couple questions was annoying

[bold aurora]

so draedon is a robot too? who made him?

[split mortar]

Most likely the guy draedon tells us is likely his creator, who was dead when he was turned on.

[bold aurora]

so nobody important really

other than the fact he made draedon

also theres gonna be more bosses after exos and stuff eventually right?

[split mortar]

Yeah
Yharim (final boss)
Noxus (post game superboss)
Xeroc (post game superboss)
Its unlikely the xeroc fight will be to the death

Yharim is the most likely of these bosses to be added

[graceful sundial]

also why excatly dreadon joind yharim? was he offerd something in exchange?

[split mortar]

Yeah resources

Draedon was not very self sufficient at the time and yharim had functionally endless resources

And all draedon had to do was do what he was already gonna do just more focused on things that help yharims crusade

[bold aurora]

is there any date for when the next boss is coming?

[split mortar]

No

Other then quite far away

[bold aurora]

also ik the name yharim, but who are noxus and xeroc

[limpid saddle]

Noxus is the Lord of the Distortion & DoG's boss, the 'omnious presence' Yharim yammers on about in the Ceaseless Void lore item

[agile matrix]

Noxus is a big evil thing that lives in the distortion, and Xeroc, First God is the god of primordial light (the sun)

[split mortar]

Noxus is the true boss of the devourer, creator of ceaseless and the cause of a hivemind in the distortion
Xeroc is the god of the sun and is the guardian of the planet and the first god

[bold aurora]

whos the auric dragon? yharon?

[split mortar]

They are a race

[agile matrix]

yharon is the last surviving auric dragon

[split mortar]

Yharon is the last one

[bold aurora]

cool

[split mortar]

But there were hundreds

[bold aurora]

and do we kill yharon or does he leave before he dies

[limpid saddle]

They're incredibly mysterious & we have nearly no information about their motivation or goals other than the fact that through DoG they've been accumulating the Godly Essence of his defeated enemies for possibly a few decades to a few hundred years

[agile matrix]

his original job was to keep the rest of them alive via the process of Rebirth, but since their souls have been consumed by the gods and those gods are dead he cant do that

[split mortar]

Yharon dies but yharon is the rebirth dragon and so death is a decade long nap and becomes a baby

[agile matrix]

yharon is a phoenix yeah

[wanton pendant]

Yes and no.

[agile matrix]

speaking of, phoenixes are not dragons. its irked me so. they're more birds than lizard

[wanton pendant]

He's both.

[bold aurora]

oh ok cool

also so is yharim just a dude? cause in the little talk with draedon it sounds like hes just a dude

[split mortar]

Gods change due to their domain, yharon is a dragon who due to the domain likely turned into a dragon that physically looks like a phoenix

[wanton pendant]

A really old and strong dude.

[bold aurora]

but just a dude

not a god

[split mortar]

Yeah the guy rejected becoming godking so he is “just” a guy
Granted he is the strongest thing on the planet

[limpid saddle]

yup

[agile matrix]

yeah but he's called phoenix. his "super cool awesome form" is called resplendant phoenix

[limpid saddle]

hes a guy

[agile matrix]

which yes, is auraful but is not Right

its been a nitpick

[limpid saddle]

i mean you, the terrarian, are a regular guy & reach similar heights to Yharim in strength in the period of only I believe canonically a few months?

dont need no auric souls to know how to kill a mf

[agile matrix]

the terrarian is you

our only 100% guarantee numerical value is that after we kill yharon, less than 10 years must pass

[split mortar]

Yeah

[bold aurora]

but its sooo auraful

[agile matrix]

(yharim will die before yharon can rebirth)

[graceful sundial]

unrealted ik but what is ravenger? is he some kind of rituall gone wrong or god?

[split mortar]

Both

[agile matrix]

formerly they are Agnus, God of (self)Sacrifice

[limpid saddle]

God Of Blood, used to be God Of Sacrifices

[split mortar]

A necromantic ritual to revive agnus the god of sacrifice, sadly necromancy fails at being good so they turned the benevolent god into the malevolent super zombie blood god ravager

[agile matrix]

they died and their followers got really desperate so they tried to revive them with the power of necromancy and Uh

[split mortar]

Necromancy in calamity is so fucking shit the best example of it bringing someone back is calamitas’ brothers who have 1 fucking memory and its to protect her

[limpid saddle]

the hatred & despair in their hearts as they sacrificed themselves co-alesced into the husk of the God & brought him back as a **Ravage(r)**ing beast

[graceful sundial]

woah

[split mortar]

Ive heard others call agnus calamity jesus

[limpid saddle]

he's the only example of a Godly Domain ever changing

[split mortar]

Necromancy is fucked up to the soul so it makes sense

Ok im bored im dropping yap about my terrarian

[graceful sundial]

also what is that huge ass room/shrine in underground jungle with few planter bulbs

[bold aurora]

does boss rush have lore

like whos that talking about burying the artifact

[split mortar]

Xeroc

[bold aurora]

whos the sun god?

[split mortar]

Yeah

Its a test xeroc made on the spot since we grabbed the terminus snd ig tried using it which got their attention

[wanton pendant]

Vernal Pass.

[split mortar]

Thats the vernal pass, i do not remember much but the people there made plantera. Theres some lore in the blossom bow dropped by plantera about silva and braelor and this place iirc

[bold aurora]

awdym

[wanton pendant]

The Terminus is an artifact of great magical power, it lets you perform the perfect ascension ritual.
The main issue however is that you're missing literally every other component.

[bold aurora]

what that

[split mortar]

Boss rush is a test xeroc made on the spot to test our strength
The terminus is used for perfect ascension which is seemingly stronger then normal ascension since 2 of the top 3 strongest known gods are perfect ascended gods
We do not know the rest of the ritual and the crusade kinda burned every pathway to learn it so the terminus has effectively lost its power since ascending is not an option anymore

[split mortar]

The terminus is the item you use to activate bossrush 😭

[bold aurora]

no

[wanton pendant]

The ascension ritual and the perfect ascension ritual let you become a god.

[bold aurora]

i mean the ritual

cool

[split mortar]

Its what gods did to auric dragon souls to become a god

[split mortar]

I really should try putting distortion and noxus headcanons in a doc when i get time next week, would be good art practice if i try drawing some of the terrain as well
-# do not expect much quality tho

[split mortar]

I can prob fit having to help braelor to escape the distortion as another thing that cracks the “kill anything god related” just not as much as working with xeroc

[graceful sundial]

who is Polterghast? i know its like amalgomantion of some prisoners souls but who and why were they in prisoned and are skeletons we fight in dungeons thier bodies?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, because Yharim is evil, those are other prisoners.

[eager bluff]

they were yharims prisoners of war and some of his allies that were jailors. the skeletons we fight in the dungeon are jailors and prisoners of war, just not the ones that became part of polterghast

[graceful sundial]

woah thanks for answears

[pulsar ocean]

Evilness is subjective

[heavy sail]

yharim's pretty nasty for sure, though

[thorn drift]

I'm fairly sure that genocide can be pretty objectively classified as evil....

[heavy sail]

we're talking about a dude who went behind his longtime advisor and friend's back to secretly manipulate his daughter into violence by taking advantage of her trauma

[thorn drift]

and then proceeded to use her to commit said genocide by boiling an entire ocean

yeah not a swell guy

wouldn't wanna go drink with him

[heavy sail]

he's kind of a meanie-head. not invited to my birthday party, that's for sure

[thorn drift]

He IS rather based for the bees though

[eager bluff]

he is uninvited to the cookout

[split mortar]

Yharim vs the swarm

[thorn drift]

"Shit the Terrarian found the 'Don't fuck with this' Rock, uuuh, here, throw some shit at them to distract them! You're a genius, Xeroc!"

[split mortar]

Also hey sunstorm
I think its been a good minute since i last saw you here but idk bad memory i might be wrong

[thorn drift]

yeah been a while

hey melon

or siffrin

also isat based

[split mortar]

I got the game on christmas and it was nuclear to me

[wanton pendant]

Then ordered her to murder her own dad.

[strange stump]

good

[thorn drift]

oh right i forgot about that

Isn't she also a fairly good ice mage by that metric?

[split mortar]

Yeah

She did make cryogen

[thorn drift]

i find that rather ironic tbh

[eager bluff]

shes a fairly good mage in general but shes held back by her lack of control

[thorn drift]

for her brimstone magic, at least, I'd imagine creating an entire construct does require a fair bit of control, though I'm not sure how true that actually is

[split mortar]

I think it fits she is known for her brimstone and not skill on other magics
She as a person lives in the shadow of her own power and destruction she has and can bring

[thorn drift]

Calamitas deserved better

wonder if we're ever getting her actual name

it's not really important but it would be neat

[split mortar]

Doubt it tbh

[thorn drift]

yeah me too

[heavy sail]

my personal headcanon is that it was calliope

[wanton pendant]

Very different from what I imagined.

[heavy sail]

makes me wonder what permafrost called her. i have this scene in my head where he's asking her if she's really sure she wants to be called calamitas, and she says she does and tries to change the subject by asking about his name, to which he gets carried away excitedly talking about it

[wanton pendant]

Honestly, it's fairly likely he didn't know she was Calamitas until after the incident.

[split mortar]

The azafure one?

[limpid saddle]

i kinda wish her name was just actually Calamitas for the sake of simplicity

[wanton pendant]

That's a name only someone who hated their kids would give.

[wanton pendant]

Ilmeris.

[limpid saddle]

I feel like we lose something from her whole stepping away from the violence of war and then keeping her non-birth of name meaning 'bringer of destruction'

[heavy sail]

the reason i'm thinking about this is because i'm wondering if that's why the two don't mention each other as town npcs yet

[wanton pendant]

Dialogue isn't finished.

[wanton pendant]

Guilt.

[limpid saddle]

guess who's parents werent around and could potentially hate their three children

[split mortar]

The dialogue is just 70% outdated sadly

[wanton pendant]

The feeling that she doesn't deserve to have a real name after all she's done.

[wanton pendant]

There are levels of hating and naming your children three different synonyms for disaster is profesional elite tier.

[limpid saddle]

Like I think a general conceit of fiction should be characters are allowed to have stupid names like Permafrost

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost is also a title.

[split mortar]

Yeah thats called suspension of disbelief

[wanton pendant]

Like everyone here either was named by themselves or people other than their parents.

[limpid saddle]

and yet it is associated with another title in so being he is 'Permafrost The Archmage'

[heavy sail]

like i'm wondering if that's an issue the writers are figuring out, how permy can refer to his apprentice/adopted daughter. because it'd be a bit cruel for him to refer to her by a name those who feared her called her

[split mortar]

Turns out perm was never told her real name idk

[wanton pendant]

It'd be a very convenient name to call your kid Permafrost and he happens to love ice magic in particular.

[limpid saddle]

yes, it would

[split mortar]

Good thing this is fiction

[limpid saddle]

theres also a boss named skeletron who is a giant skull with big hands

& all remaining people are referred to by profession rather than individual names

[thorn drift]

To be fair

[limpid saddle]

all i mean is that creating the divide & then not giving any hint at the information we are not given by said divide makes the divide feel pointless & i feel thus it shouldnt exist

[thorn drift]

it's implied that you, the player, are calling it skeletron

[wanton pendant]

I don't think Skeletron had parents.

[thorn drift]

since draedon directly calls you out on your terrible naming conventions

[heavy sail]

i agree! though permafrost kinda goes hard as a name, and it's fitting for someone as old as he is. the unmelting archmage. and a personal headcanon i have is that he likes cryomancy largely because of its ability to protect and preserve. permafrost is real life thing, it's a term that refers to ground that stays frozen for more than two years, iirc. and there are a lot of fossils and such in it, and some potentially dangerous bacteria dormant in it

[heavy sail]

i love that so much, it's such a charming bit of characterization for both draedon and your character

[split mortar]

Permafrost when i put him in a box of lava

[heavy sail]

calamity needs more of that, i think

more silly, fun bits of characterization

[thorn drift]

like. Pretty much NOTHING is canon about the terrarian EXCEPT that they suck ass at naming things

[limpid saddle]

yeah, also ESPECIALLY with Permafrost I think that not being his actual name damages my suspense of disbelief because I am then supposed to believe that a legendary and incredibly well-storied mage has absolutely no remaining record of what his birth name is and it hasnt even been a millenia

[thorn drift]

that's hilarious to me

[raven brook]

CORRECTION

[split mortar]

iirc calamitas will be the one character to say a swear

[raven brook]

DRAEDON thinks that you suck ass at naming things. whether you actually do is subjective

PERSONALLY.

[split mortar]

Whenever the dialogue trees are sent out

[thorn drift]

He is correct in that assessment

[limpid saddle]

like we KNOW he has been an active and documented force in the world for like 600 years or however old he is again and im supposed to think NOBODY knows what his birth name is?

[thorn drift]

subjectively speaking, he's objectively correct

[raven brook]

PERSONALLY i think that skeletron prime is badass. draedon would call it some nerd shit like FM-03 or something like FUCK OFF DUDE i'm calling your exo mech SKELETRON OMEGA or something

[split mortar]

Cheese im going to drop you into the tube of doom if you try defending “the destroyer”

[raven brook]

it destroys

gruuuahh im the destroyer

[split mortar]

It gets destroyed

[raven brook]

im gonna DESTROY

[limpid saddle]

It IS accurate if nothing else

[thorn drift]

The destroyer does what it says on the tin

break shit

[heavy sail]

omega?
yo

[split mortar]

Nuh uh blocks do not break

[thorn drift]

people do

[pulsar ocean]

destroys what bro ain’t nothing being destroyed

[heavy sail]

my headcanon is that he took on his wizarding alias when he was pretty young and it's the name he became famous under... and that everyone who knew his given name is dead and now hearing it makes him feel kinda sad

[split mortar]

Npc’s will die if you fight the boss on your fuckin town the destroyer is not unique there

[pulsar ocean]

Not a single tile destroyed during the whole battle

[wanton pendant]

No reason to think he doesn't know his own name, just he likes being called by his 'cool' nickname.

[raven brook]

Shoutout to my headcanon that i think would be #cool to replace the current destroyer lore with when bestiary gets eventually rewritten

Destroyer, as a machine made out of reutilized mining equipment

[limpid saddle]

Im not saying he doesnt know it im saying its bizarre literally no-one else knows it

[raven brook]

Specifically focuses on destroying infrastructure and buildings

[wanton pendant]

Just because nobody mentions it doesn't mean nobody knows it, he's probably told at least someone.

[raven brook]

Since the idea of it fighting gods1v1 makes no sense lmao

and its also kinda weird for destroyer out of all things

[thorn drift]

To be fair, to the common man, defeating the eye of chthulu is already quite the herculean task. We are not common men

or women, or enbies for that matter

[raven brook]

skeletron prime is a crowd control beast thatcan eliminate several footsoldiers and even civilians at once

[pulsar ocean]

Burrower 2.0

[pulsar ocean]

I mean it could take on slime god

[raven brook]

the twins focus on chasing after priority targets and ensuring they don't escape a battle

[wanton pendant]

That makes it sound like killing normal people is a more impressive deed than killing soldiers.

[raven brook]

and destroyer focuses on destroying (haha) infrastructure and collapsing buildings of value to enemies

[thorn drift]

and that's about it

it would get folded by ravager

[pulsar ocean]

still a 1v1

[thorn drift]

we don't actually fight that many gods in calamity huh

[raven brook]

me when i make a machine specifically designed to "1v1 gods"

and then it can only actually 1v1 the absolute weakest of he bunch

[thorn drift]

even less that are alive

[raven brook]

which like if slime god gets tier swapped wouldn't even be true anymore

not to mention how lame it'd be to fight something that can 1v1 gods that early ngl

[wanton pendant]

If you count Evil2 it's actually quite a few, technically.

[thorn drift]

well, they aren't gods perse, moreso that the whole evil biome is the carcass of a god

hyperbole but you get my point

[heavy sail]

okay i was looking at wikipedia to find some good geological/climate/soil science terms to joke about being permy's parent's names, and i noticed this! pretty cool

[split mortar]

We fight a god earlier, and something that contains possibly hundreds of dead gods from fucking up the world as well

[thorn drift]

silva was permafrost's mom /j

[raven brook]

The evil biomes don't count as "fighting a god"

And slime god is a separate issue of its own

Which if anything is being addressed with the possible tier shift

[split mortar]

I lack brain and forgot you said other stuff

[thorn drift]

slime god being a fucking pushover is kind of funny tbh

[raven brook]

I think slime god being moved to mid hardmode or so is good news

[thorn drift]

but the tier shift will be well deserved

[raven brook]

good news we can finally be slimes

[thorn drift]

make no mistake, it is

[raven brook]

I think it just feels anticlimatic and , for lack of better term, underwhelming

to fight a "god" so early on in progression

even with the note that gods vary in power

[thorn drift]

i'm just saying, imagine going through all the effort of killing a dragon, taking its soul, just to be turned into slime god.

[wanton pendant]

You gotta really love slime for that.

[raven brook]

i mean dude killed the dragon of gluttony

beggars cant be choosers

[heavy sail]

a good name for such a machine would be "v1"

[wanton pendant]

So who's to say it's a bad fate?

[raven brook]

what where you expecting from the dragon of gluttony? the Domai nof Supreme Power and Ultimate Strenght

no bitch you get slime

[thorn drift]

if he at least could achieve goozma somehow i'd get it but it's not canon anymore so he cant

[raven brook]

better not cry about it or else we'll dwongrade it to the domain of Diabetes

[thorn drift]

he's just kinda boned

[wanton pendant]

"BEHOLD, THE POWER OF THE GOD OF HUNGRY, HUNGRY HIPPOS!"

[raven brook]

domain of primordial hunger

[thorn drift]

idk, something akin to the astral, actually, where you can consume biomatter and assimilate it into yourself.
Wait no thats literally just what slimes do nvm

fuck

[raven brook]

btw reminding you guys it is theoretically 100% possible draedon before the consciousness trasnfer (assuming that was the case) was like

[wanton pendant]

Astral is in space.

[raven brook]

a goblin

draedon could've been a lihzahrd

or a goblin

or like. a dwaarf

[thorn drift]

i meant more of the sense of how the astral behaves

[split mortar]

Cheese what is with you and goblins

[raven brook]

he couldve been a dwarf

he couldve been a dwarf with a big beard

[thorn drift]

Make draedon a goblin

[wanton pendant]

He could be French...

[thorn drift]

make him the long lost brother of the goblin tinkerer

and make him french god damn it

[raven brook]

well i just mind goblins

[thorn drift]

mind goblin' deez nuts

[wanton pendant]

MIND GOBLINS!?

[agile matrix]

mind goblin deez nuts

[heavy sail]

okay no joke, i actually had an idea for a comic where yharim was talking to permafrost about the onyx kinsmen and he says something like "they worship slime, how pathetic is that" to which perma responds by saying slime is a very useful and versatile material, being both a base ingredient to the reliable health potion and can be used to make torches, which are the simplest way to keep your home well-lit and safe, and by extension furnaces and forges and campfires. so when you think about it, slime really is worthy of reverence. and then yharim says "archmage, you are an odd fellow, but i cannot deny your wisdom." cause this would've been back in the early says of the crusade when yharim was slightly more willing to accept differing perspectives

[mighty zenith]

daedalus.

[thorn drift]

im kinda sad they uncanonized goozma like. Years ago tbh

[mighty zenith]

daedaluscreator theory

[thorn drift]

i get why im just kinda sad about it

[mighty zenith]

we should name more theories like fnaf fans do

i want some truly incomprehensible names

[young socket]

no

[raven brook]

i like to headcanon signus ws worshipped prior to slime god btw

only tangentialy related

[young socket]

we need to name them like deltarune ones

[thorn drift]

what the fuck is signus's deal actually

[heavy sail]

i agree!!

[thorn drift]

dude just kind of. Exists.

[young socket]

an arm and a leg to leave the distortion

[mighty zenith]

Take my Deal

[warm gull]

accept my bargain answermymessages

[thorn drift]

I am aware, but i meant moreso in the grand scope of the world itself

[heavy sail]

collect my pages

[thorn drift]

like what the hell is signus and what do they actually like

do

aside from make deals with poor unfortunate souls

[heavy sail]

also while we're talking about other fantasy humanoids in the terraria universe, surely some of those guys tried to ascend, right? it'd be weird if humans were the only species that could do that

[raven brook]

yeah

[split mortar]

iirc some old dev quotes say signus functions similar to noxus or smth

[raven brook]

silva, the two illmeran gods

[thorn drift]

silva was an elemental

[wanton pendant]

I mean yeah.

Like, a bunch.

[heavy sail]

oh yeah, how'd i forget about silva...

[split mortar]

Granted this is incredibly dubious at best and outright misinformation most likely with how old it is

[raven brook]

signus is sigma

[wanton pendant]

I've been doing that the whole time.
That's why we have hits like Yharim Fought The Sun Theory.

[split mortar]

Tyrian otonilou

[thorn drift]

he kinda sucks actually...

[mighty zenith]

no no

[split mortar]

What about scal sponge theory

[mighty zenith]

you gotta name it like

[raven brook]

my personal interpretation/headcanon is that Signus is in faact a being much like Noxus or Fovos

[mighty zenith]

YharimSunKiller

[wanton pendant]

Well there's also Friend Inside Me Theory.

[raven brook]

But unlike those, he seeks a different approach to sustain himself over just destruction

[thorn drift]

why do they have a cannon for an arm

[raven brook]

being smarter about it and discovering more about our world and finding a way to adapt in the long term

[heavy sail]

ahem, it is called "woody theory"

[raven brook]

why not

[young socket]

why dont you

[split mortar]

Piracy, god of the seas afterall

[mighty zenith]

badass

[wanton pendant]

That's a different thing.

[thorn drift]

the guy spamton was calling was actually signus

[wanton pendant]

Signus, Envoy of W. D. Gaster.

[raven brook]

hes the mods biggest potential man

dont fuck with us signus fans theres 5 of us

he could be sooo cool

[heavy sail]

that tracks! they worship ever-shifting, mallable beings, whether they be made of slime or shadow

[raven brook]

he could be SOOOO cool.

ingame rn hes a turd but

he could be so cool .

[thorn drift]

I know but he isn't right now thats why he sucks

wasted potential

[split mortar]

How would it taste to take a bite out of signus

[raven brook]

the whole mod sucks bruh

[thorn drift]

I am aware

aside from brain and dog

[split mortar]

Calamity the potential mod

[thorn drift]

and the weapons

those are peak

[heavy sail]

idk, i think it's pretty cool

[wanton pendant]

Blood with a hint of elderberry.

[thorn drift]

-# though ngl split mod's solstice blows most of them out the water...

[split mortar]

Ohhh split mod ive been meaning to play that

[raven brook]

classic mode crabulon mp4

[wanton pendant]

I have been.

[thorn drift]

it's peak go play it

final boss is genuinely one of the harder ones in modded terraria

[raven brook]

it's okay even the devs agree alot of the mod is ass this isn't even hater behavior

everything before brainstorm isnt real to me

[warm gull]

do you think tyrian ever gets annoyed that his arms are asymmetrical

[raven brook]

maybe he's into it

assymetric art can be kinda cool.

he flexes how cool he is. because hes assymetric

[warm gull]

would it not drive you crazy if your arms were completely different

I feel like that would drive you crazy

[eager bluff]

from what ive seen the dev team pretty widely agrees that if cal released as it currently is today it would be nowhere near as popular as it is and probably would have died very early on

[warm gull]

also like damn bro can only grab with one hand

[thorn drift]

it would be classified as VERY mid. Because it is.

[heavy sail]

like jokes aside, while i do think calamity has a lot of potential to grow and many flaws, i still adore it as it is. specifically the atmosphere and vibes. the abyss and the brimstone crags, the astral infection, following draedon's path of labs, the sunken sea, wulfrum... i love it a lot!
...i'm realizing that i may be the odd one out here

[mighty zenith]

you know a mod that released after calamity did and has done very similar things?

[thorn drift]

no it's genuinely great in that regard

[raven brook]

ok even i have to say thats too far

too far .

it's more like. hmm. what is calamity comparable to

[heavy sail]

mod of redemption?

[eager bluff]

orespawn

[raven brook]

not at all

[thorn drift]

it's just that calamity, as a mod, has always prided itself on it's difficulty and boss design. Neither of which it does particularily well

[raven brook]

mor is goated

orespawn might be true though

genuinely

[mighty zenith]

orespawn works

[thorn drift]

mod of redemption is genuinely good though

[raven brook]

i dont think many terraria mods are comparable to calamity but if we get out of calamity then eah lowk orespawn

[wanton pendant]

Mod of Redemption is the anti-Calamity in that it has great gameplay but not great story.

[mighty zenith]

except fabsol didnt go completely insane (yet)

[thorn drift]

it's story is fine imo

not great

[eager bluff]

calamity and tremor are the two orespawnlike mods of terraria

[thorn drift]

but servicable

[eager bluff]

neither of them hit it perfectly but both get fairly close

[heavy sail]

respectfully disagree, i think the story is cool but perhaps slightly too "throwing a lot of proper nouns at you"-y

[thorn drift]

I love nuking half the countryside for the funsies!!!

[raven brook]

calamity definitely has alot of things over tremor

there's actual talent put into alot of the spritework, sfx and vfx, even if some of it is still not the best
and while some of the bosses are truly abysmal dogshit on the asme levels as tremor on average calamity bosses are just like. verym id

not to mention

where the actually Good coders of calamity that aren't fabsol get to Do Shit

such as in some of the weapons and gear

You get actually well made stuff

[heavy sail]

and tbh i kinda... am not the best person to give a gameplay and difficulty judgement because i'm like 65% here to explore and build cool stuff

[wanton pendant]

Everything is far too disconnected, there are things that are presented as important with no information as to what they are, and also the site the wiki links to be where the lore is is just filled with AI images for some reason.

[heavy sail]

...ah

[raven brook]

I don't even really care about difficulty tbh

I feel like i'm on a minority

i do not play terraria for difficulty nor do i care about it

If i want difficulty i'll play another game

[eager bluff]

at least when cal copies vanilla ai it uses somewhat interesting vanilla ai. tremor doesnt i think the final boss uses fucking demon eye ai for the first phase

[wanton pendant]

"i do not play terraria for difficulty nor do i care about it"
-Average Terraria fan.

[raven brook]

Calamity lacks alot on the exploration side of things

[thorn drift]

Lukewarm take but prehardmode is genuinely the best part of the game precisely because of the huge exploration aspect

[raven brook]

Brimstone Crags looks pretty but it lacks in much meaningful content i'd say
Not to mention how Calamity actively streamlines alot of exploration with its myriad of qol crafting recipes and structures, though this is slowly being resolved and brainstorm alone already made this problem less revalent

[raven brook]

yeah agree

[heavy sail]

anyway yeah, i actually joined this server partially because i wanted to see what the devs are cooking, partially because... well i was intimidated by how negative the subreddit seemed to be all the time

[heavy sail]

true!!

[raven brook]

i try to find a middle ground

[eager bluff]

i agree with this but exclusively like post-evil1

[wanton pendant]

I think there's just something in the redditors' water.

[raven brook]

I will not sugarcoat in that alot of calamity rn kinda sucks balls but the stuff the devs are cooking is very cool and not EERYTHING about the mod sucks. just. alot of it

the mod was stuck in stasis for like 20 years

[thorn drift]

it's such an integral part of the experience that's just missing from hardmode, even in vanilla, and ESPECIALLY post moonlord, that these parts of the game just kind of feel empty? like you can only really fight bosses or grind enemies and that's about it.

[raven brook]

npothing before brainstorm was real. its just how it is.

[eager bluff]

i do not like early prehardmode

[heavy sail]

they're sipping that haterade

[thorn drift]

especially in post moonlord it's just go there, fight that boss to go to that place and grind enemies to fight another guy

you don't DO anything else

[raven brook]

post moon lord is like the apex of everything wrong with the mod i think

like all of the issues it has become the most prevalent there

[eager bluff]

calamity streamlined content so hard the fucking hardmode powerspike isnt real

[raven brook]

calamity mod lore is really cool though . i wish it was real

i wish the sun was real

xeroc is so cool i wish the sun was real

[thorn drift]

oh right that isn't a thing anymore

[wanton pendant]

Calamity lore... read my documents...

[thorn drift]

they should really fix that

bring back hardmode power spike

[heavy sail]

ah. i think my perspective is different because i only got into calamity last year or so, my brother's been a fan for longer than i have

[eager bluff]

i agree that it should be toned down because vanilla hardmode does feel really bad to go into right off the bat but it got sanded down so hard that its the hardmode power bump

[thorn drift]

i disagree it feels brutal in a very fun way tbh

[raven brook]

Calamity has been basically stuck as a mod from 2018 because the owner didn't want to make it better and didn't let it be made better and the owner's shity management slowly seeped into greater issues with the dev team as a whole but now that he was shot and killed in a back alley the team has been re-structuring and repproaching things and hopefully the mod can actually move forward now

[heavy sail]

and i agree that things get kinda boring after you beat the moonlord. that's usually when i like to focus on building in between bosses

[heavy sail]

...i'm well aware, yes

[wanton pendant]

Basically Ozzatron is Batman.

[raven brook]

It's kinda like. what's a good analogy

think of calamity mod like this. this hm.

i can think of a good analogy for this hold on

[eager bluff]

it should be noticeable but it should not feel like you're directly back in preboss

[raven brook]

imagine you have a plant. this plant got a disease like 20 years ago

[warm gull]

I love early prehardmode

[raven brook]

you keep telling your mom who owns the plant that it needs to uhhhhhhhh get medicine. yep. plant medicine

plant hospital

[warm gull]

getting wulfrum shit at the beginning of the game is excellent

[raven brook]

but she refuses to

you manage to give the plant tiny bits of medicine which does help it a little but but without taking it to the plant hospital it dosent solve the deep rooted issues it has

[wanton pendant]

Well, when you have a diseased plant, you have to cull it so it doesn't spread.
I wonder how that could be used in a metaphor.

[heavy sail]

and 22 people left in 22, but they're making calamity fables now, and that is looking amazing so far, even though it only has a little bit of what calamity has. i'm just scared to talk in their discord because i'm worried that people in there are gonna be bashing on the original calamity because i like both...

[raven brook]

yep thats calamity mod its the diseased plant

the tiny bits of mediine you give to it have been the dev team making the little sprinkles of cool shit like cool weapons and stuff

[thorn drift]

to be fair cal fables is gonna be largely its own thing. It's more or less an alternate development timeline calamity from my understanding

[raven brook]

i like the tiles

have you guys seen the new wulfrum tiles

theyre nice.

[eager bluff]

until now the help to calamity hasnt been actual help, its been treating the symptoms and not the problems

[thorn drift]

kind of like better than adventure

[raven brook]

theres also all the new driftwood stuff .

[heavy sail]

yes!!

[wanton pendant]

Calamity but if it was made by competent people from the start instead of after nine years.

[raven brook]

i love calamity cables

calamity tables

22 sir nautilus emojio

[heavy sail]

calamity elevators!

[thorn drift]

the wiki still hasn't updated on the new lab light blocks

[limpid saddle]

it's good the calamity team is working hard to resolve these issues through unique sub-worlds & sub-biomes

[wanton pendant]

Wait, Calamity Fables still has a plot. What the hell does it look like?

[raven brook]

i cant wait for the pig update

[limpid saddle]

It'd be cool if the ruins of azafure got its own sub-world even if thats very unfeasible

[raven brook]

It looks like not much bewcause the mod is super unfinished lol

[wanton pendant]

That's something I was thinking of a while ago.

[thorn drift]

not happening i dont think

[raven brook]

We know that the sea kingdom got destroyed much like illmeris but the exact circumstances where different

[limpid saddle]

yes 'tis why i said 'would be cool'

[eager bluff]

you can wipe up as much blood from the floor and your body as you want but until you close the gaping hole in your arm the underlying issue isnt getting solved

[heavy sail]

also no joke, sir nautilus is like... a window into what i really hope calamity aims for in the future. he's so charming and has so much personality

[thorn drift]

the main city is gonna be part of regular world gen

[raven brook]

Yeah sir nautilus is

unironically a excellent excercise into how you can integrate narrative and character into a terraria mod

without it feeling artifical or forced

it's what i hope too

[thorn drift]

fairly certain amidias is gonna be similar when sso actually drops

[heavy sail]

love my skelefish dude, he reminds me of dung defender from hollow knight

[raven brook]

]sso never

sso tommorow

sso september october

I'M TIRED I'M TIRED AHH

[thorn drift]

sso already happened we just cant see it

[raven brook]

sso yesterday .

genuinely

amidias calamity btw

[raven brook]

google images

one of the first resutls

help me

[limpid saddle]

At least hope they bump up how much verticality they have then because if they're planning on rawdogging it with regular underworld generation rules uhhhhh

[raven brook]

OH MY GOD

[wanton pendant]

Double the world size but only to make Azafure ruins really big.

[thorn drift]

sso was a collective mandela effect, it never actually existed in the first place

[raven brook]

if you just look up "amidias"

[raven brook]

IT IS THE FIRST RESULT

THE VERY FIRST ONE

[heavy sail]

ugh, i don't even like joking about that because i'm thinking about how overwhelming it must've felt for the devs

[wanton pendant]

The game itself literally has an SSO took too long joke in it.

[heavy sail]

i knowwww

[thorn drift]

wait fr

[heavy sail]

but it makes me sad

[thorn drift]

where

[wanton pendant]

One of the things next to the title can mention the fish mines.

[eager bluff]

i looked up amidias and nah the first result is total calamity

[raven brook]

help me

[thorn drift]

what even is total calamity anyways

[split mortar]

AAAAAAAAAAAA

[eager bluff]

ancient ass cal roleplay

[wanton pendant]

Why is one of the results Amidias aura farming on Calamitas?

[limpid saddle]

what the fuck is that total calamity sprite

[split mortar]

Just a ancient cal roleplay that has a wiki and so plagues the community by making some people think its canon when it is not

[raven brook]

yknow ive only seen that happen once

[heavy sail]

and like, they are going to add little tweaks to the sunken sea. they're just not gonna do the big update cause it got too big and too overwhelming- which makes me sad. because i'm afraid that the whole mod will eventually end up that way

[raven brook]

oh they will do the update

just not now

its on hiatus

backburner

etc

[heavy sail]

because i've seen projects fizzle out like that before

[thorn drift]

pig update

[raven brook]

The reason it was put in there wasn't just cuz its big

[limpid saddle]

perfect

[thorn drift]

to be fair cal has been trucking along for almost a decade, doubt that's whats killing it

[wanton pendant]

If the Sunken Sea isn't literally the size of the Mediterranean then we riot.

[raven brook]

It was mostly due to it being dev hell largely due to 1. large of focus and direction 2. The fact sunken sea overhaul was built upon the basis of the original SSO that pre-22 was working on so

[limpid saddle]

oh i didnt realise SSO was getting delayed i figured Brainstorm was a real sign of 'its coming soon™'

musta missed something in the newsletter

[raven brook]

SSO is going to happen eventually

it is just

not going to be anytime soon

they're changing their plans going forward

the old roadmap of uhh

sso - bco - distortion

dosent rly apply anymore

[thorn drift]

brainstorm came out BECAUSE sso got put on hiatus

[raven brook]

we have no idea what's next now besides

hogwild

fuckin

only thing we know

and its

yep

pigs

[thorn drift]

pig update

[limpid saddle]

ok so is this like the old duke rework update

oh wait right the teaser

[thorn drift]

old duke visuals rock btw

[limpid saddle]

my bad forgot that

[raven brook]

no it's legit just

it's just pighs

it adds pigs

[graceful sundial]

i like the current sunken sea but i wouldnt mind having there some cool ass boss (preferably not another serpent)

[raven brook]

its a april fools update that is coming out after april fools

despite that it is actually

a meaningful update

its not a shitpost

[raven brook]

calamity is not adding anymore bosses

except for the final boss

which is not anytime soon

and maybe the two superbosses

the mod has enough bosses as is

[wanton pendant]

King Clam... Cnidrion... they don't need to be bosses... to be bosses in our hearts...

[raven brook]

if anything it having TOO much boss content is one odf its biggest issues :sob

[raven brook]

It's a smaller scope update focused mostly on silly things

We already know there's a new. Rage Bait item

[heavy sail]

i'm worried that eventually calamity will get so ambitious that it'll just collapse. and that makes me really sad. which is why i'm worried about stuff like them not having an official development roadmap- i'm scared it's gonna be like hl2 episode 3, except more likely to fizzle out because it's a passion project made by people mostly working together online. i've seen stuff like this happen before

[wanton pendant]

I think they just called it Lost Coast.

[raven brook]

They're actively avoiding publicizing most stuff

Exactly because they don't want to repeat

[heavy sail]

it makes me want to apply to the development team or something

[raven brook]

The same thing of before of promising something and causing fans to expect it

But from what we've hweard

The dev team is doing well rn

[eager bluff]

trust me when i say this they learned what being overly ambitious will do (cause issues) in sso

[raven brook]

They're working on stuff

Just not publicizing it

[limpid saddle]

calamity survived December 2022, the execution & cancellation of its lead developer, & nearly 5 years of misinformation conflating WOTG with base Calamity, they'll be fine

[heavy sail]

okay, that's a relief

[raven brook]

a good example is the

replacement of changelogs with teasers

Rather than a big fuckin wall of text with every little change in a update

There's a bigger focus on dedicated teasers

[heavy sail]

i do like that they have an official website and newsletter. that's more professional than just communicating over discord

[graceful sundial]

i keep hearing previous dev getting slimed out of team what happend? i was playing mod back than but i never was active in community untill now

[raven brook]

He was awful and retired

tl;dr

[wanton pendant]

The mod creator was horrible and they... eliminated him (he left because he knew it would be bad to stay).

[eager bluff]

the retirement was forced

[heavy sail]

also they're forming like an actual development company, which i think is a good idea too

[eager bluff]

it was not something done on a whim

[split mortar]

Fabsol is a shithead who sucked at being a dev and then some shit of the past got him exploded when it got revealed

[wanton pendant]

They already did that.

[raven brook]

Yeah def

I love the newsletter

[limpid saddle]

Alright i tried to elaborate but the automod got my ass

[eager bluff]

the company is more for merch and legal stuff

[split mortar]

Ozzatron is the only person in the company iirc

[limpid saddle]

fabsol bad, fabsol transphobe, fabsol suspicious relation with minors not necessarily PDFilic but adjacent

grug go grunga

[heavy sail]

in any case, i think it's a good idea

get things in writing

[raven brook]

fabsol was not only a bad developer that actively sabotaged the mod but also a bad person so he got sent to walk the plank

yarrrr

man

calamity needs more pirates

[split mortar]

Cheese when pirates

[wanton pendant]

I've been saying this.

[limpid saddle]

bandit cousin who is a pirate & its just a pallete swap with the pirate captains hat

[eager bluff]

yes this is due to the devs being involved in the company meaning devs have to get ozzabucks and ozzsurance which ozzatron cannot ozzaford even with patreon money

[raven brook]

FIRE

Anyways this has diverged very far from lore

we probably should lore now

[split mortar]

😭

[raven brook]

Did you guys know

[graceful sundial]

guh what i didnt epected that

[limpid saddle]

they also rob the goblin tinkerer but theres a feud between them about who can do it better

[raven brook]

Calamitas's real name is Jane Khal Amity

[split mortar]

More people should terrarian i think

[wanton pendant]

Well nobody else did, otherwise the mod wouldn't have gotten big in the first place.

[young socket]

theres some other stuff

[limpid saddle]

something something jane juliet

[limpid saddle]

Yes but

[limpid saddle]

Look

[young socket]

like being anti vax lmao

[heavy sail]

just kind of rude too, from what i've heard. not fun to work with

[limpid saddle]

had to break it down for them

[eager bluff]

yes

[raven brook]

Yeah he

Was an exercise on what NOT to do as a team manager/lead lol

He saw calamity mod as "His" project, despite everyone else working for him for free

If that makes sense

[heavy sail]

yeah

[eager bluff]

even before the glue factory fabsol was disliked almost universally

[raven brook]

It's what HE wants, not what would actually be better or what everyone else wants

[split mortar]

If you want a good idea on who not to be as a boss, look at fabsol

[raven brook]

this is also what caused 22

iirc

you know sir nautilus?

dont quote me on this but if i remember, sir nautilus was originally made as a cnidrion rrework by calamity

[heavy sail]

originally gonna be a calamity character, i know

[raven brook]

which fabsol promptly shut down causing hours of work to go to waste because it "was too much for a terraria miniboss" or smth

and thats the last drop of water that caused 22 to happen

[eager bluff]

even outside of him being insanely overbearing on the project he was just an asshole to both other devs and the community at large

[young socket]

im pretty sure he was only going to have like a few attacks btw

like not even that complicated ones

[raven brook]

well atleast those hours of work in the end didn't actually go to waste since yknow

:p

[wanton pendant]

How the hell do you have an issue with the people working for you for free being too good at their job?

[split mortar]

By being fabsol

[raven brook]

LITERALLY

[eager bluff]

because then he would get overshadowed

[wanton pendant]

Then don't hire people since the bar ain't high.

[raven brook]

It's kind of amazing how he just

[young socket]

like the cragmaw mire from acid rain already has 3 attacks and thats a miniboss thats part of an already big event that not every player will fight

[raven brook]

never got better, atleast not notcieably so

[young socket]

😭

[split mortar]

Inloolforwadto cloud elementasnlnm resprite

[raven brook]

in his boss design or programming

even after working on the mod for like 10 years

[limpid saddle]

Remember that terraria magazine releasing an interview with him like 2 weeks before he got hard cancelled and ousted from the team

[eager bluff]

im pretty sure thats why iban left, fabsol kicked him out because he was too good and fab was afraid of iban overshadowing him and taking over calamity

[limpid saddle]

or was it a comic?