lore-discussion

[magic epoch]

xf-09 ares = exo fright 9th edition

[cedar path]

or hf for skelly prime

so for Odin maybe smth like XR-O4 Odin?

idk what the R would be for

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is the antagonist, the Terrarian is to protagonist.

I don't know why you sometimes call the mod a modpack, but yes Noxus and Xeroc are both considered as bosses in the future, you don't need phrase it as speculation.

The Distortion update won't include Xeroc though.

Good news, they actually did begin paying them a while ago. Sometimes.

[magic epoch]

Don't forget the secret antagonist, Mirahy

[cedar path]

hey WWG I don't wanna be rude but you have single handedly flooded the chat writing messages to someone who afaik isn't here and you really should jot it all down in a notebook or smth and comment on the actual video

[magic epoch]

i do kinda agree

this has been going on for hours actually

[cedar path]

yes I have been backreading

[gaunt harness]

When can I sit on the Auric Toilet to celebrate my defeat of Yharim……

[vivid cloud]

😭

[vivid cloud]

If you craft the Yharim pogo stick, Yharim will deal extra damage in his attacks.

[magic epoch]

When you actually defeat yharim

[gaunt harness]

Maybe I can celebrate defeating THE LORDE—if he hasn't been removed yet.

Wow, you also write novels, me too

I used the original lore lore of the Brimstone Crags to create a chapter. If allowed, I would like to post a picture of the text, because I haven’t received any feedback from anyone yet.

About the past and the exiled people.

This is my humble work.

[wanton pendant]

Ok, @heavy zenith, having watched your video while it is generally well made there are a few issues.
I think there are times where you are either presenting or assuming that events involving the same character occur in sequence even with evidence on the contrary, you sometimes seem to draw very specific conclusions without really providing much supporting evidence for them, putting certain events at points they couldn't possibly have happened and the other more minor details. I would very much like to discuss further with you when you're available so you can improve your work.

[wheat walrus]

:3

[long bloom]

:3

[sick moat]

:°

[wanton pendant]

80

[agile matrix]

what tier is Odin?

W implies Prov tier, yeah

[wanton pendant]

Does it?

[keen shore]

Currently fighting catalyst's Astrogeldon. Tbh i didn't originally know the letters meant something so i just made it spell at War.

[agile matrix]

prov tier is W-[Element]

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I saw.

[leaden bridge]

hi calamity lore developers why is whit higher than black huh

[long bloom]

draedon is racist

[rain osprey]

draedon is racist

[split mortar]

Draedon is racist

[eager bluff]

draedon is racist

[split mortar]

do you got the chart for the names of the arsenal weapons

[limpid saddle]

finally started the progenitor of all character action titles devil may cry 1

this is just a resident evil game with combo mechanics

[split mortar]

is that bad

[limpid saddle]

I mean

It's been fun SOMETIMES

othertimes like right now (Nelo Angelo 3rd fight) I am struggling to maintain consistent view of the enemy because this game has a fixed camera & the lock on gives Dante the manueverability of a pile of bricks being dragged by an anorexic duck

its also the only way to access your dodge options that being a dodge-roll with 3 i-frames that will occasionally make you do a backflip at random

[sour quail]

i had a question
Lore wise, who is the terrarian?

(As in, are they a destined hero that was bound to rise? Some random nobody who got ridiculously powerful and lucky, someone who hates yharim?)

[limpid saddle]

I need to tell you something very important

The terrarian has no lore or motivations

The terrarian is you

[sour quail]

are we for real

i thought it was some cool guy

[mighty zenith]

they can be!

if that's what you want them to be

😊

[sour quail]

hmm, ok

Well, my head canon is...uhhhhhhhhhhh...
Some random guy who survived yharim's crusade thingy, and thought he was pretty mid, so opted to go and beat him up

👍

[leaden bridge]

to be completely fair that first part describes nearly everyone alive

[sour quail]

true that
except the terrarian is just better and cool

im kinda behind,kinda caught up on my calamity lore

i know enough for like, a timeline, but thats really it

[sour quail]

ohhh, that's pretty cool ngl

I dont see most mods n stuff doing that

w calamity as usual 🔥

[leaden bridge]

most mods dont rlly have narratives and those who do also do not impose any characterization on the terrarian so like what

[sour quail]

I'm behind on mods, sorry

but yeah, pretty cool i can make the terrarian whatever i want

[magic epoch]

does aureus have a confirmed name 🥺

[noble falcon]

Idk but it’s Big Johnson now

[split mortar]

thanks

[west plume]

bobbert

[long bloom]

putting this in the lord ock

[young socket]

@mighty zenith you heard it here

aureus is called bobbert

[heavy sail]

late, but i second this

[long bloom]

ok true but this is different
dude made a fairly popular video full of false information

[heavy zenith]

I mean like 60% of my script was reading the lore items verbatim, this is what I meant by "no matter how many iterations of the video I make, someone will find something to nitpick"

While I will read the things that people have to say about it, I won't immediately go to change my video, or remove the video. False information is a pretty hard take imo. I'm not really here to argue either, especially since I have other things to work on, and everyone has the ability to make a video like mine.

I'll definitely take those things into consideration when I make the next timeline for the next lore update though.

[long bloom]

also please actually talk to people next time

and don't call it the definitive timeline

because that doesn't exist and likely never will

[heavy zenith]

If i hear from a developer maybe I will

[long bloom]

they're quite active here

[spark kindle]

not how you should be acting regardless
they spread misinformation, sure, about the lore of a terraria mod
im sure theres a nicer way you could go about this

no need to get so worked up over a fantasy

[long bloom]

we don't need even more people believing falsehoods

[spark kindle]

going out of your way to be flat out disrespectful does not magically make less people believe what the video says

[heavy zenith]

It's not even false information either, half the shit i just backread is you guys going "He said likely, therefore it isn't speculation and he is saying this event as if it was fact." Likely means could've happened. Even more things were "How could A happen before B, the devs says B happens first" as if I didn't say that it's only about shit in the game.

[manic coral]

i mean as the former lead writer myself (hi) if some people get some things wrong

eh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

like yeah it should be pointed out that it's incorrect ideally but be actually like

understanding about it

given that it's all kind of a mess as it is at the moment

yeah people are gonna misunderstand or misinterpert things in big part because it's not done yet

that is just how it do be

[heavy zenith]

[long bloom]

there's that and there's saying the ilmerian sea was an ocean connecting 2 continents

[heavy zenith]

This is what I mean

[manic coral]

that's not any les reason for you to be nice about it

[spark kindle]

"hey these guys called ceaseless void and storm weaver are dogs servants except no because this songs name is completely outdated and inaccurate to the actual lore"

[manic coral]

i came up and wrote most of this stuff so i'm probably the person who feels the most inner pain when somebody is wrong but even when i point that out i try to be as nice about it as possible

like

it's not like they don't care

people wouldn't talk about it if they didn't care

all being mean about is is gonna do it make them not care

[long bloom]

perhaps

[manic coral]

plus said inner pain is probably matched by a slight embarassment of having to be corrected which already puts the person getting corrected in an awkward position

espeiclaly if it's for a project or something

that can be embarassing and sucks to realize

no need to make it harder on them

just be nice

and a lot of time it's not a matter of people not caring or whatever, it's just not knowing. and to be blunt, given how in my opinion as always took much has been put out in public that isn't even in-game yet

there's a lot that's not easy to know

[heavy zenith]

In the end, the reasons I made the video(s) are A. I absolutely fell in love with Cei (and the other writers' story), B. the only other 'comprehensive' video was TeeDucks, and C. I want more people to play the mod because I think it deserves to be its own game. I didn't make the video to spite #lore-discussion

[manic coral]

which was one of my biggest complaints and issues with the old writing team doing before i became one of the writers and it brings me spirital pain to have slowly seen that happen again

but that's also happening less nowadays

even if the damage has KINDA already been done

[long bloom]

the new lore doc will be complete Soon™

[spark kindle]

yeah theres a reason dm dokuro left the team

[long bloom]

no more dev statements in the main sections

[long bloom]

it's been 7 years please move on

[manic coral]

this is literally entirely absolutely 100% unrelated to what i'm talking about

[spark kindle]

i have

[west plume]

i have decided that slime god has been named gloopor florpud

put this in the lore doc

[manic coral]

there is 0 overlap between why he left the team and why i did

[spark kindle]

i wasnt talking about that specifically

[manic coral]

erm actually their name is gloorpus floorpus

:/

get it right POSER

[west plume]

scrimblo wimblo

[long bloom]

bogos binted

[manic coral]

hi btw syrup :D

[west plume]

hi

[manic coral]

i hope you're doing well!

[west plume]

im doin p good

[spark kindle]

most real dev statement ever

[manic coral]

yippee

[gaunt harness]

[west plume]

i would actually really like slime god to be named gloopor florpus but it would require writing in-game slime cult documents referring to them as Saint Gloopor Florpus or something

which would be great but very unserious

[manic coral]

mostly involving some issues i had with the mod development but also be kind of just not working well in the caldev environment and causing some issues

[spark kindle]

all hail the great gloorpor florpus

[long bloom]

slime cult?

[manic coral]

maybe i'll think about going back to it when i feel like i've resolved those issues

[west plume]

Gloopor Florpus saved me from a terrible fate

[manic coral]

but for now to be entirely honest i haven't

[west plume]

i may have mixed up the ninjas and dragon cult

[spark kindle]

im imagining the plankton minions from the spongebob movie chanting all hail florpus

[manic coral]

auric slimes are finally real

rejoice

[long bloom]

exxo avalon is eternal

[gaunt harness]

Slimes might evolve into jellyfish
so why is there no jellyfish religion

[long bloom]

ilmeris

[manic coral]

believe it or not

[west plume]

we really should have put in the otonilou statue

[manic coral]

[west plume]

curses for removing that from 2.1

[manic coral]

i want to eat the statue

nom

[long bloom]

oh syrup i thought of a lore change

fix destroyer bestiary

[west plume]

what is it currently

[long bloom]

says it's supposed to best gods in single combat

[spark kindle]

LMAO

good luck bro

[west plume]

lol

[spark kindle]

yk what im imagining now

dog swallowing all the other worm bosses in one gulp like a herring

[west plume]

the destroyer when the god uses piercing magic

[west plume]

thats mean. why would you do that to the perforators

[long bloom]

destroyer when providence reduces it to molten slag in .3 seconds

[west plume]

idk whos in charge of mech lore right now

if it doesnt get into 2.2 ill put it into the update afterward when archon returns likely

[spark kindle]

i lowkey think slime god could beat destroyer in a fight

[long bloom]

cheese (i think it was cheese) had an idea of each mech having only 1 or a few godseeker knight souls "commanding" them

to make them more important

[spark kindle]

if both of the paladins can reach his coil in time and just sit there

[magic epoch]

afaik destroyer and most worms move much faster upon initial spawn so their bundle lasts much less time

[spark kindle]

aw

[long bloom]

lame

[magic epoch]

i know deus for sure does this but i believe I remember seeing destroyer doing something similar

[heavy zenith]

Lol that's what that's called? Didn't know that bunched up part upon spawn had a term

[magic epoch]

there's not an actual term

[west plume]

slime god can easily beat destroyer i think due to destroyer being really dumb to defeat but i think the twins just shoot it with cursed flames once and then it dies

[magic epoch]

just words used to describe it

bundle, coil, whatever

[west plume]

rope coil

[heavy zenith]

ah

[spark kindle]

silk rope coil

[west plume]

realistically if we assume the paladins arent just taking contact damage then both paladins can just be on mimic ai duty until destroyer dies

[magic epoch]

destroyer is so dumb it targets the little minions 70% of the fight

[spark kindle]

all the minions have flesh knuckles equipped

[chilly obsidian]

@raven brook @tardy root @plain crane any of u active

[leaden bridge]

completely unrelated to the main discussion but one day i hope people will no longer think calamity would be a good standalone game

[sinful adder]

Yeah it would be ok at best

You could absolutely make a good standalone game in the calamity setting, but not out of the main story as it stands

[leaden bridge]

it just doesnt fundamentally work because the plot was kickstarted by moon lord

outside of that plenty of stuff is very derivative

[sinful adder]

I would love to see something like Rain World in the future of the heartlands

[leaden bridge]

roy kinda has to go in and excise everything and like

[sinful adder]

I've talked about tons of ideas for such a setting

[leaden bridge]

idddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddk man

[sinful adder]

Oh wait you mean getting rid of the terraria stuff? Nah, keep it

[leaden bridge]

well u cant

u cant dot hat

[sinful adder]

Why?

[raven brook]

fovos is still a thing in roy, fyi

[sinful adder]

Get permission from red, he seems like a chill guy

[leaden bridge]

well im sure he like

would allow it for a fangame

[raven brook]

it's just recontextualized as a separate character with no relation to moon lord terraria

[leaden bridge]

well i mean obviously

[raven brook]

the rest is dead though

[leaden bridge]

i know stuff is getting replaced when it needs to

[leaden bridge]

well he Maybe would

we dont Know nobody has asked him

[west plume]

it would be a terrible standalone game because it was designed to be a terraria mod

[leaden bridge]

yeah

thats the main reason rlly

[chilly obsidian]

can u check dms

[leaden bridge]

roy is a metroidvania because calamity fans dont have the budget for a souls like

this is: true!

[raven brook]

i'm already dying having to make this godamn metroidvania i think if we had decided to make it a soulslike my bones would dissolve into goo

[long bloom]

make it an extraction shooter too

and metroidvania

at the same time

[leaden bridge]

genuinely how does that work

[long bloom]

no idea

idek what an extraction shooter is

[leaden bridge]

u go in, u get the loot. u extract

[raven brook]

open world soulslike calamity mod reign of yharim 2 dlc

[leaden bridge]

if you die you lose the loot

repeat five billion times

[spark kindle]

so like

capture the flag

[raven brook]

extraction shooters are deep rock galactic and all the other ones that i dont care about

[leaden bridge]

an extraction shooter is a roguelike but wed never call a shooter that

[cloud ibex]

you should add one (1) turn based rpg boss fight with xp mechanics that never matter nor are ever brought up again once the fight is done

[leaden bridge]

not at all

the point is u collect the loot

[heavy zenith]

valid

[leaden bridge]

all else is irrelevant

all u do is collect the loot

if you die you lose the loot

when you have enough loot or it gets too risky u extract

and then use the loot to upgrade your crap or whatever

[long bloom]

so lethal company but bad

[raven brook]

I think the main reason people say calamity would be better as a separate game or whatever is because of the story and the idea it could be told in a more immersive manner outside of Terraria Mod

Which atleast right now it's mostly true but i wonder if it'll change as the mod gets better lore implementation

[leaden bridge]

also not lethal company because theres actual gameplay

[raven brook]

dont diss deep rock galactic

you can diss the other ones though that's laright

[heavy zenith]

i guess lethal company is an extraction shooter bc of the zap gun

[raven brook]

i don't care about those

[leaden bridge]

instead of being friend moment to moment gameplayb

byeah its kinda extraction shooter? just wthout the shooter

[heavy zenith]

just extraction

[leaden bridge]

some extraction shooters like drg itself r also kinda mp driven

so

[long bloom]

extraction runner

[spark kindle]

calamity jrpg

[heavy zenith]

love this

[leaden bridge]

no calamity fan would ever play a jrpg

[raven brook]

calamity rpgmaker game

[leaden bridge]

itd kill them on the spot

[sinful adder]

I'm telling you, Calamity Rain World where the world is full of crazy monsters and you avoid them instead of fighting because the terrarian fucked things up like a decade ago

It would be peak

[leaden bridge]

same issue with the jrpg (because theyre the same thing)

the difference lies on the soul

because like obviouslyu there is a difference between jrpg and rpgmaker game

theyre the same thing but Not

[sinful adder]

Rain World total conversion mod. It's gotta happen

[raven brook]

when i think of a rpgmaker game my mind either goes to fear and hunger or one of those ancient crusty rpgmaker horror games

those give me nostalgia

[sinful adder]

There are some good RPG maker games

Hylics

Lisa

[raven brook]

honestly fear and hunger and the sequel are kind of crazy with how much they manage to get out of rpgmaker's mechanics

[leaden bridge]

ah i see

[raven brook]

they use them in very creative ways

[leaden bridge]

most rpg maker games people remember r usually the ones with fucked up thematics

i wonder why that is

[sinful adder]

https://tenor.com/view/hylics-dynamite-die-gif-13001371365681257537

fuck

[raven brook]

rpgmaker horror games have a very unique vibe to them

though in part i also think it's just nostalgia

i used to watch alot of videos on them hwen i was younger

[sinful adder]

Oh yeah how could I forget

Look Outside

[leaden bridge]

im ao and youre oni

[sinful adder]

Peak RPG maker games

[leaden bridge]

together we milk the franchise in ao oni online

[long bloom]

what would the plot of a calamity visual novel be

[raven brook]

waiter waiter

50 more ao oni sequels

[leaden bridge]

vn is also a genre calamity fans are allergic to

idk vns enough to tell you if theres anything that could be a calamity vn

[raven brook]

visual novels are best for stories that are very heavy on dialogue and character interaction and not as good for those with alot of action

[leaden bridge]

like everything you can scrounge up i feel youre gonna go okay but what if this was Not a vn and you could fight or do a thing

[raven brook]

so yeah vn probably wouldn't be a particularly good medium for calamity's story

but you could do

a story whtin the calamity setting in a vn

that could work better

[leaden bridge]

well obviously

i was never consdering the former at all

its just like

[long bloom]

terrarian x guide slow burn dating sim with the calamity plot in the background

[leaden bridge]

what would even be good for the later

like what can u pull out of calamity thatd be an interesting vn

[long bloom]

this

[leaden bridge]

no

[long bloom]

you are weak of mind

[raven brook]

murder mystery on the assasination of humble wizard dingulus quandle

[leaden bridge]

no i just like women

also the guide isnt a character so this has literally no appeal

[long bloom]

you'll never survive the harvest

[leaden bridge]

thats not how you say that

[raven brook]

ok a short slice of life vn with braelor and statis could actually be kinda cool

[leaden bridge]

also im surviving it right now

[raven brook]

now that i'm thinking about it

[long bloom]

wait true

[raven brook]

in general i think a slice of life vn for calamity would probably work actualyl i can't think of anything else much

atleast nothing else much that's kind of just very disconnected from everything in the game and mostly just uses the calamity mod worldbuilding setting

"worlbuilding setting" the cold ice

[leaden bridge]

juno whos surviving the harvest

[long bloom]

kills you with mind

[leaden bridge]

cant do thqt

[long bloom]

i just did

[leaden bridge]

im not dead

[long bloom]

source

[sinful adder]

How many of you saw my idea for a setting in the future after the main calamity game?

I think people would like it (I hope they would)

[leaden bridge]

well id ditn

[sinful adder]

#lore-discussion message

[heavy zenith]

You could expand upon the Astrum Deus too, making them side with the non-Astral Draedon too. This would be a cool future to expand upon 100%

but eventually Xeroc and Noxus would HAVE to be addressed

[wanton pendant]

Ah great, you were here and I missed it.

[sinful adder]

I don't think astrum deus is intelligent enough to help with this

[sinful adder]

Noxus was already destroyed and xeroc is just chilling up in space watching

[timber glacier]

Are the Random Food Drops from enemies canon in calamity cos like some of them are kind of weird like why do chaos elementals drop apple pie

[wanton pendant]

Enemy was hungry.

[timber glacier]

some like do make sense like bacon dropping from pigrons but like are cursed skulls carrying fresh cream sodas like canon or is it not considered canon and just because like they don't want to change vanilla too much

[raven brook]

yes they're canon the pie is made of chaos elemental meat

you prepare it very quickly right after killing it so it dosent go stale

(the real answer is dont think too hard about it)

[timber glacier]

but then why do illuminant bats and slimes also drop it

[wanton pendant]

Hungry.

[raven brook]

you use the slimes for flavouring

[wanton pendant]

Got pie to eat.

[raven brook]

and for the bats yeah they were carrying one

[wanton pendant]

You kill them before they eat it.

[raven brook]

cuz they were hungry

[wanton pendant]

Jerk.

[raven brook]

while all of this is happening deus would just be like "Mmmm star : )" while nomming on a random star somewhere

[timber glacier]

I will say like some do kind make sense like I guess derplings and flying foxes might be carrying some grapes they were going to eat but yeah probably most are not something you really need to think about

Actually wait are fried eggs actually fried spider eggs since they drop from spiders

[raven brook]

yes

youre eating fried spider eggs

delectable meal

full of protein

[timber glacier]

Wait hold on nachos drop from sand sharks are the nachos actually sand shark fins

[wanton pendant]

You should probably swallow a bird after though.

[timber glacier]

also why is it called seafood dinner if none of the fish that can craft into it are actually caught in the sea

[raven brook]

Riverfood Dinner dosen't sound as good

[west plume]

a lot of it is outsider art

rpg maker was the easiest way to make a story based game without much inherent knowledge on how to actually develop a game so it attracted a lot of good writers who were looking to tell surreal stories which took advantage of being a video game

i dont think its a nostalgia thing since games like ib, mad father, corpse party, fear and hungerz yume nikki and 2kki were all popular shortly after release

the more generic rpg maker were either just final fantasy or less inspired chrono trigger so no one gave a shit

[west plume]

unless ur cal headcanon is delicious in dungeon idt any of the food drops are canon

they r just gameplay

except for Delicious Meat. that ones real

[bronze lynx]

i've been going insane for years trying to find out what delicious meat is and honestly my conclusion is that it's just delicious

[timber glacier]

probably something to do with pigrons and the dragon of frost

[bronze lynx]

most likely frozen pigron bacon made by permafrost to survive or smth but it does look like breaking bad product

[raven brook]

It's Delicious

[bronze lynx]

truly the most delectable

[timber glacier]

A bit of a weird question, but like what are Shadowfish and like why do they both live in lava but also for some reason can also be caught on the surface at night and like does their tooltip of "darkness spreads" like have any meaning or is it just to be edgy

[raven brook]

it dosent have any meaning

the item probably was not made with lore in mind

[timber glacier]

I kind of assumed it is just its a weird thing for a fish

Since primordial light is sunlight, does that suggest all the mobs who drop essense of sunlight are able to use primordial light in some way or is essence of sunlight not actually at all related to primordial light

[leaden bridge]

i think plants do photosynthesis but they cannot like tap into primordial light

is my take on that

Like there's levels to sunlight

Something that drops essence of sunlight might tap or power or benefit or feed from sun but it doesn't have the ability to control it

And i mean, eol can use it to strengthen herself so i guess it wouldn't be that crass if they could to some degree

[timber glacier]

I guess that could definitely make sense for some of them but like some are kind of odd to really be connected to it, such as cloud elemental and angry nimbus both of which only show up when its raining and thus when less light is present due to the shade from clouds so it does feel actually a bit odd to be tied to it I guess

[leaden bridge]

Sky enemies

!

It also makes no fucking sense for martian scouters to drop it but they do so

Sunlight was always the Odd One Out

Ice and Fire and Sunlight

[timber glacier]

Angry Nimbus aren't sky enemies though so like they really have no proper reason to drop it

[leaden bridge]

That's true but

[timber glacier]

also essence of sunlight is like super extra weird cos a. the essences are kind of like vanilla soul drops kinda yet they decided to make one esssence very closely overlap with the concept of one of the souls (soul of light) and b. its mostly found from sky enemies but like the sky kind of has a related soul drop with flight kinda so like is a very weird item

also its crazy that somehow essence of eleum's name is a literal reference despite how... well kind of important it is as an item or at least how present it is in the mod

[plucky juniper]

i mean

Essence of Havoc used to be called Essence of Chaos

and Essence of Sunlight is still Sunlight

they're all Dark Souls references

HANG ON

[timber glacier]

essence of sunlight used to be called "Essence of Cinder" actually

[plucky juniper]

LMAO]

its even funnier

[timber glacier]

but like somehow it not being changed with the others is weird, cos like there definitely is an actual word for cold that could work

Also I just googled the word eleum and funnily enough the overview literally stated how its primarily refers to the material from calamity mod which is kind of crazy to think about how big the mod is that it shows up as the main meaning of it and not what its referencing

[plucky juniper]

Rare Burnt Ivory King L

[raven brook]

That is pretty weird actually

I1'm gonna just

rq

suggestion posting

oh nvm

overdone got to it already

[stark flame]

How does Calamity defend against the player's attacks?

[wanton pendant]

You mean Calamitas?
The big glowing red shield.

[zenith geode]

it flickers more the later into the fight you go until it gives out and she immediately gives up

[analog fable]

like sans undertale

[agile matrix]

insert "STOP! just. stop" invincible

doesnt gfb make the arena get 3x2 at 0%

[wanton pendant]

Do you think Calamitas fought Braelor and Statis at some point for the reason she attacks the Terrarian?

[agile matrix]

why

does she attack

us

actually

i dont remember

[timber glacier]

Because she doesn’t want us to effectively become yharim 2 or somethung

[agile matrix]

no i know that

why doesnt she stop us like

earlier

why does she only attack after we summon her with clone ash

[timber glacier]

Probably because of how strong we got and like we were actually almost strong enough to fight yharim

Also probably the summon method is non-canon

[agile matrix]

ah ic

[timber glacier]

Most boss summon methods aren’t canon

[agile matrix]

i personally think itd be cool if the routing was Forced to be yharon -> exos -> scal -> yharim bc scal could intervene when you try to make a portal or whatever to the aerie

[wanton pendant]

By the endgame you go from just being notably strong to being exceedingly strong and easily one of the most powerful forces to have ever lived.
There's probably a bunch of people who technically fit in the higher tiers of progression but wouldn't want to oppose Yharim or don't have means to get stronger like we do.

[agile matrix]

like yharon bc Sure, exos to get the tech to properly Get There, scal bc she just is not gonna let you go there (Hornet Sentinel), And Yharim

[timber glacier]

The thing is by the time you kill yharon like theres definitely enough reason for calamitas to think you maight actually go all the way and try stop you so like after yharon does makes sense

[agile matrix]

after yharon makes sense but you gotta realize i work in hype and aura

and having yharims ace in the sleeve be an unintentional preventative from reaching him is really peak

[wanton pendant]

Like, there's just been a century long war, there's going to be some very strong veterans of it, so I don't think it's unreasonable that just being, say, Providence tier isn't that far our of the ordinary to even be notived. I'd assume being around DoG's level is where Calamitas is probably going to begin to notice, since she planned on killing him anyway and it does sound like he's about the threshold between the strong and the REALLY strong and killing Yharon just sends you straight to priority number one.

[agile matrix]

dog v. sepulchre who wins

[wanton pendant]

I'm imagining that Ilmeris just had one really strong guard who was fistfighting godseekers and just tanked the incineration and he could suplex Providence if she didn't run away. Fishicles.

[agile matrix]

fishicles.

[wanton pendant]

Sepulcher only takes like one damage, the answer is clear.

[timber glacier]

No hear me out right before you reach the dragons aerie your stopped by a familar face, permafrost who judges you based on your actions and if you killed every boss and have proven to be like yharim he fights you but otherwise he lets you past

[agile matrix]

the remaining survivors:

amidias (hid in a clam)
fishicles (just fuckin endured it, cant die with those gains)
like i guess a few turtles

[agile matrix]

is this sans

[timber glacier]

no its entirely original

Also this may sound like a weird question but like do we know that yharon can actually like speak to most people

[wanton pendant]

He can't.

He can communicate to Yharim and only Yharim with telepathy, but as he's a dragon he doesn't have the vocal chords for human speech.

[timber glacier]

Oh okay thats interesting so like do like no dragons actually have the ability to speak to most humans

[wanton pendant]

He could talk to dragons but the only dragons he'd want to talk to are dead.

[agile matrix]

fuuuuuck i wish i could draw birds

[wanton pendant]

I wouldn't be suprised if there were dragons that could speak or communicate using their domain, or just had close enough vocal chords to manage it.

[agile matrix]

i was gonna draw yharon over that one guy thinking really hard at the camera

ominous lighting, hes got glasses

[sinful adder]

Dragon of Sound would be pretty interesting

Or like

Dragon of waves?

[heavy zenith]

When are we getting Dragon of Phospholipid Bilayer?

[timber glacier]

Dragon of waves is already a thing I thought

[sinful adder]

Could do cool stuff with complex 3d standing waves

[sinful adder]

That's tides

[timber glacier]

Ok but like I feel like having the domain be “waves” but like meaning sound waves would be really weird imo

[sinful adder]

True

[heavy zenith]

Dragon of Wiki?

[timber glacier]

I could see like a dragon of communication though

[wanton pendant]

They were actually talking about this earlier, domains can't just be base things, and phospholipid bilayers is just a thing. They have to be something happening, you know?

[timber glacier]

Wait but like ash,blood and slime aren’t happenings or is the “happenings rule” only applicable to dragons

[heavy zenith]

Thank you for explaining my meme reply

[split mortar]

I know its been said about dragons but idk about gods

[wanton pendant]

I think the idea is that Ash represents things being burned, Blood is probably more exsanguination, and Slime is alive and thus is something that happens I guess.
Unless it's only for dragons I guess?

[split mortar]

Hmmm

[timber glacier]

Also primordial light is iffy being a “happening” but like I guess light itself kind of is a happening but idk

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Light is the experience of sunlight rather than just light.

Yeah.
(R.I.P Dragon of Dirt, welcome Dragon of Filth.)

[timber glacier]

Also wait how can “seas” be a happening

[split mortar]

@timber glacier

[wanton pendant]

The sea is a concept, not a physical object.

Technically it's just water.

[timber glacier]

I guess but like it being a concept doesn’t mean its a happening

[split mortar]

Seas the phenomena of water being in big collections ig

[long bloom]

seas are something that occur because of water

[wanton pendant]

And all the things seas do.
No Dragon of Water because Anahita already has that covered.

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like you could say that for like almost anything

[split mortar]

Yeah which i think is why dragons have so many fuckin domains possible

[bronze lynx]

ok so does this mean there can hypothetically exist a dragon of mild irritation?

[timber glacier]

Also “emptiness” being a happening is like kind of weird to say but idk

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, probably.

[split mortar]

Perchance

[wanton pendant]

I mean it is the last thing I'd consider a thing.

[split mortar]

The phenomena of being empty idfk

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like it means like nothing so nothing is happening

[split mortar]

Does it apply to god domains i forgor

[long bloom]

no

[split mortar]

@west plume does the phenomena also apply to god domains i forgot

[timber glacier]

Oh if it doesn’t then like that explains why some of the god ones are like not really a happening

[long bloom]

goddess of electricity
goddess of ash
god of slime

[split mortar]

Counterpoint you are sludge

[timber glacier]

Electricity does kind of fit as a happening cos its not really a thing

[long bloom]

counter-counterpoint: 🐝

[timber glacier]

But like blood, ash and slime aren’t really happenings

[split mortar]

Yharim we can be bees

[bronze lynx]

electricity is the flow of electrons and stuff

blood i assume has something to do with like life

[heavy zenith]

This is good news

[long bloom]

completely unrelated

[timber glacier]

Blood and life are different domains

[wanton pendant]

I was thinking exsanguination.
Since Ravager isn't exactly... alive.

[timber glacier]

Well like blood is the domain of the revived body of the god of sacrifice who absorbed the dragon of death so they’re kind of polar opposites

[long bloom]

perhaps

[timber glacier]

But also “mind” being a happening is iffy like couldn’t like “thoughts” be more of a “happening”

[long bloom]

yeah i thought so too

[wanton pendant]

I think it's meant to represent thoughts more than like, literal brains.

[split mortar]

Also i feel people have been too harsh on you for the vids, sorry if i have been like that in the past

[wanton pendant]

Imagine only having magic that directly influences physical brains. Not thoughts or anything, you can just cast concussion and lobotomy.

[timber glacier]

yeah I know It would be functionally the same its just since aren’t the overall names meant to be named after a happening

[split mortar]

I cast bite of 87

[bronze lynx]

i cast minor stroke

[heavy zenith]

I dont remember you being like that, I dont remember anyone being like that tbh. I appreciate feedback (up to certain point of nitpickiness).

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[long bloom]

do you just have this

[wanton pendant]

No.

[heavy zenith]

But thx siff

Sry, melongun

[timber glacier]

I wonder if a dragon of gambling could exist

[wanton pendant]

Certainly.

Though this would imply that gambling was a major thing thousands of years ago.
Which I totally believe.

[heavy zenith]

Would he have wulfrum in his design since it was used as currency

[long bloom]

wulfrum was invented at least 750 years after the dragons died

[wanton pendant]

Would human currency be around that far back?

[timber glacier]

I guess it would more likely be a dragon of greed since we know of a dragon of gluttony so other deadly sins would make sense

[bronze lynx]

so correct me if i'm wrong basically dragon's domains and god's domains are 2 different things?? where dragon's domains pertain to concepts while god's domains are basically related to states and change and things like that??

[long bloom]

god domains are just whatever i think

[wanton pendant]

We're not sure if there's any hard rules.
And in the case of a perfect ascension they just keep the domain anyway.

[timber glacier]

Maybe? Like dragons arelimited to happenings according to devs but like gods might be able to be anything

[bronze lynx]

god of delicious meat confirmed???

[long bloom]

[heavy zenith]

This is good news

[wanton pendant]

That would imply someone existed who influenced the domain to be about specifically tasty flesh.

[timber glacier]

Would that be the god who absorbed the dragon of frost since they were a pigron ancestor and delicious meat is seemingly bacon

[wanton pendant]

Actually made the God of I Miss My Wife, also known as Mr. Freeze.

[bronze lynx]

god of depression, currently haunting yharim for his past actions

[heavy zenith]

Nah man he killed that shit years ago🤣

[wanton pendant]

Yharim killed them.

[bronze lynx]

i stand corrected: Previously*

[heavy zenith]

Bro killed the god of motivation, in turn ruining his drive to continue the crusades

What a concept

I guess that'd be mind ha?

[timber glacier]

Well killing a god doesn’t like erase their domain from existence like the god of motivation might be able to make yharim less motivated but like killing them wouldn’t cause anything to happen to the domain

[heavy zenith]

Right, right

[bronze lynx]

what even is the torch god

[timber glacier]

Canonically its up to the player’s interpretation or something

[wanton pendant]

It's totally Xeroc, trust.
What is the sun, but the greatest of torches?

[bronze lynx]

i like to think torch god is just a mere avatar of a greater god: the god of mining

[bronze lynx]

the sun is a deadly laser

[wanton pendant]

-Zeratros.

[timber glacier]

Honestly I either think its xeroc fucking around with the player or a carbon monoxide hallucination

[bronze lynx]

as funny as that would be we do get the torch god's favor item + actual gameplay influence so i'm not sure if it can even be a hallucination

[timber glacier]

But like theres not really anything that can explain why the torch god’s favour would show up in our inventory if torch god was like a real thing so idk

[bronze lynx]

the god of gambling and chance watching us undergo his trial (basically his version of xeroc's boss rush) and giving us a minor boost in luck through torches:

[wanton pendant]

You suffer brain damage that gives you a compulsion to colour code your torches.

[sinful adder]

Maybe torch god is like... The elemental of random bullshit

[sinful adder]

But not just that it gives you the power to transmute your torches into slightly different torches at no cost

[timber glacier]

But like its so weird cos like torch god in calamity can inflict like every fire debuff including godslayer inferno, holy fire, vulnerability hex and even dragonfire which must mean they are a god-slayinb dragon totally

[agile matrix]

torch is a hallucination

[sinful adder]

Also stupid idea: the god of luck is so lucky that during the crusade, everyone coincidentally forgot he existed and never observed him.

[timber glacier]

Wait also frostburn despite that being a coldness thing

[wanton pendant]

Frost torches.

Torch God clearly isn't getting their power from fire.
It's getting the power from torch.

[timber glacier]

Oh right yeah

Let torch god inflict hadopeligic crush or whatever its called cos void torches and ichor cos ichor torches

[sinful adder]

I feel like that's a word for a kind of minor luck that comes from superstition and charms and arbitrary, specific, minor acts

[timber glacier]

Wait no theres no torch related to dragonfire how the hell do they use that

[wanton pendant]

Yharon clearly uses his flame breath when it's dark.

Thus making it legally a torch.

[sinful adder]

ok I think I've got it

[bronze lynx]

thus i suggest that the torch god is merely a minor avatar of a greater deity: god of mining, who has domain over anything you can mine or exists in the form of a metal bar

[sinful adder]

Nah, that's lame

[timber glacier]

But theres also no shadowflame torch but they can inflict it

[timber glacier]

Why would torches really be in the domain of mining like that doesn’t really make too much sense

[wanton pendant]

Goblin houses in the unseen goblin lands.

[sinful adder]

god of superstition: Can perform any miracle as long as no one can consciously acknowledge its influence or prove a causal connection

[timber glacier]

Vulnerabilty hex also has no torch

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas once tried to make Brimstone Candles.
13 dead, 49 injured.

[sinful adder]

This explains the luck stuff, plus also explains why they can only manifest when you give yourself carbon monoxide poisoning

[bronze lynx]

uhhh idk probably has something to do with the fact that you can only do the torch god trial in the underground layer but i'm not sure

[timber glacier]

Wouldn’t that be brimstone flames which torch god inflicts

[sinful adder]

I wonder what the lore writers think of this

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas inflicts Vulnerability Hex.

[timber glacier]

Yeah but brimstone candles would be brimstone flames like you said not vuln hex

[wanton pendant]

She tried to be a little quirky with the spell.

[pulsar ocean]

god of stepping on lego

[timber glacier]

Also why the hell does torch god inflict miracle blight on getfixedboi but theres nothing like a miracle torch

[wanton pendant]

Because the inside of the Exo Mechs are lighting up as they dissolve themselves, making them giant torches.

[bronze lynx]

what if the entire terraria world is just one giant torch

where the dragonfire and auric souls act as the light and the earth and everything else that surrounds it acting as the handle

[timber glacier]

What if torch god absorbed the soul of the dragon of light. Not primordial light zeratros his little sibling zeratwo who had the domain over light

[sinful adder]

Dragon of luck -> god of superstition

[bronze lynx]

god of minor chance-based interactions

[timber glacier]

God of maybe

[mighty zenith]

god of d20

[sinful adder]

god of superstition can perform any miracle that is not consciously observed

[agile matrix]

god of perhaps

[bronze lynx]

god of what if

[sinful adder]

Thus explaining all the world's off superstitions and good luck charms and such

[agile matrix]

(rules over the perhap)

[split mortar]

I changed my name to Siffrin for a reason

[timber glacier]

I wonder if there was like a god of alchemy or something random thought

[bronze lynx]

every minor glitch in terraria calamity mod can be explain in-lore through it

[timber glacier]

God of hoiks and the dragon of collision

[bronze lynx]

god of droprate and the dragon of critchance

[timber glacier]

God of mounts and dragon of equipping stuff

[split mortar]

Dragon of freedom god of subjugation

[timber glacier]

That does feel iffy cos like those are complete opposite ideas and most end up being a related concept not the opposite when absorbed

[split mortar]

God whose will is so strong they completely flipped the domain idk

[timber glacier]

I will say the one god who seemingly in some ways goes against the domain of the dragon they absorbed (slime god) still had a domain closely tied to the original domain

[stark flame]

What kind of magic is this?

[split mortar]

Shield

[heavy sail]

i like to think it's some kind of weird meat permy found in his bag, he doesn't know where it came from and now he's selling it to you for 50 silver

[timber glacier]

Probably like a forcefield

[split mortar]

Sg could have gotten that due to being slimy and slippery metaphorically

[heavy sail]

jokes on you, i've played chrono trigger and survived
(except i uh. haven't finished it. still really like it though, especially frog)

[wanton pendant]

Shield magic.

[heavy sail]

i also like undertale and deltarune, bug fables, omori, and grimm's hollow (which is a short game you can play on steam for free, it's very charming)

though i guess some of those aren't the most conventional jrpgs

i've only played a little bit of bravely default via emulation, but i liked it a lot

and i've tried some of octopath traveler 2 at a friend's recommendation

i also played a little bit of earthbound, and while i respect it (especially with how much it influced utdr and omori), i found it slightly disappointing because i was under the impression that there was more focus on the characters. great music and fun atmosphere though

https://youtu.be/A_Gj-RJeeng?si=k0YjiElALvLvcGDA

i like Sanctuary Guardians especially, unofficial theme of "huh. what"

[timber glacier]

Yes shes like the most proficient necromancer in universe

[stark flame]

Can Calamitas wield ice magic?

[split mortar]

Cryogen:

[heavy sail]

yeah, maybe it doesn't come as naturally to her as brimstone flames, but her dad taught her well

[stark flame]

[split mortar]

-# she made cryogen

[heavy sail]

likewise, her dad is described as being one of the world's foremost experts on magical theory, suggesting he knows a bit of everything. except for necromancy probably, because he thinks reanimating corpses is kinda gross. though it's possible he does know some of how it works but doesn't want to actually use that knowledge

cryomancy is just his favorite and presumably the art that feels the most comfortable for him

[split mortar]

Its also what let him live to be 400-500 years old iirc

[heavy sail]

yep! at least according to the lore doc

making "permafrost" a very fitting name for him. the eternal archmage, preserved in the cold

(my personal headcanon for why he likes ice magic so much is the ability of ice to preserve and protect. like storing organs in a freezer, or keeping potentially dangerous substances dormant- like i've heard is the case for some ancient bacteria and viruses in real-life permafrost)

[split mortar]

Oooo i like that

[heavy sail]

thanks!

i find the fact that he is so old in the greater setting of calamity so interesting, especially because he did it through magic alone and not ascension

[bronze lynx]

okay but real question why is he selling delicious meat

[heavy sail]

it's delicious!

[bronze lynx]

indeed

[stark flame]

Will Calamitas grow stronger in the future, or will she remain at her current level?

[heavy sail]

hopefully she will grow stronger emotionally and psychologically

[stark flame]

[heavy sail]

...but in terms of crazy brimstone magic stuff, i think she'd take a break from that for a while for the sake of her mental health

[split mortar]

If she continues practicing magic she will get more skilled and efficient which would prob count as stronger, doubt she would focus on her actual mana reserves i think she has enough that skill is a much bigger factor

[vestal karma]

Crying Gen

[pulsar ocean]

who would win every pokemon or a billion yharims

[split mortar]

Every pokemon

[pulsar ocean]

makes sense

[stark flame]

Did Yharim and Yharon kill Xeroc in Victories? That’s absolutely insane!

[split mortar]

sadly its unlikely victories will be made since cei left the dev team

[west plume]

they r all happenings; except for ash none of them really exist as a solidly defined concept

slime refers to molecular structure at best and the associations of a specific type of creature at worst, ash refers to combustion byproducts and blood is non-literal

[pulsar ocean]

why did yharhar throw silva into the abyss instead of the outer space so she doesnt return

[west plume]

why dont humans just start dumping trash into outer space? are they stupid?

[zenith geode]

ok but tbf its one corpse

[pulsar ocean]

could yharim beat xeroc if he could stop time for 5 seconds

[west plume]

unsure

[long bloom]

what about 6 seconds

[west plume]

i think yharim having THE WORLD wouldnt matter due to xeroc just staying the fuck away in the first place

if xeroc was within lunging distance of yharim ever then yharim would have just auric command grabbed him without a time stop ability

i feel

[long bloom]

freeze time, fly over, hit him 15 times and watch him fly away at mach fuck like botw

[pulsar ocean]

throw some knives

[leaden bridge]

Well for plenty of reasons that don't apply to yharim or draedon

Mostly the cost

Like if we actually wanted to do it

Surely if you can throw her into the abyss you can throw her into like a really big hollow ball of some bullshit draedon straps a rocket to and just sends away

[west plume]

my headcanon for mind is i think it's closer to being able to control your id, ego and superego

so the mind dragon can suddenly decide what instinct is for you and what morality is for you and then just let your perception of reality struggle against them until you get out of range

i dont think theres much actual elaboration in-dev abt it

[west plume]

throwing silva into abyss: costs 0 dollars, deep sea fish and crustaceans will feed on her immortal flesh forever as it regenerates, constant freezing cold and crushing pressure
throwing silva into space: costs a million bajillion dollars, she has a decent chance of eventually crashing back into the planet if left in low orbit instead of spending enough fuel to get her halfway across the solar system

[wanton pendant]

Also she might land on a planet and use it to grow an army and then come back for revenge, which can totally happen I heard it happened to somebody once.

[leaden bridge]

That sounds nice and all but there's no reason not to spend here

I find it hard to believe draedon couldn't pull a voyager trivially

[leaden bridge]

Thragg ass subplot

[robust osprey]

if he can why cant bro go to space yet

[leaden bridge]

throwing a ball of lead into space for the sake of it Going Away is different from proper interplanetary travel

[pulsar ocean]

idk bro worked on kars

[west plume]

kars kinda let himself be killed tbf

[split mortar]

draedon can its doing so on a quick timescale draedon is trying to figure out

[robust osprey]

fair enough

[leaden bridge]

he could do it tomorrow if he locked in but hes lazy

[west plume]

if you start off with silva smoothie then it would prob be the same process

if you start off with unprocessed silva then its more difficult

[robust osprey]

send the whole abyss to space

simple

[leaden bridge]

i dont see how that helps

[west plume]

you send one of those DISGUSTING offsh**ts to space too

[leaden bridge]

you guys know the lego city undercover ending

[light linden]

question

well

[light linden]

question for you syrup

[west plume]

hi

[light linden]

what god do you think would be made if someone ascended with Goozma's soul?

[west plume]

god of goozma

[light linden]

should I take that answer as you don't feel like answering that hypothetical?

[west plume]

goozma isn't canon to calamity so there's nothing to really say about it

[light linden]

ik they aren't but I am still curious

I'm still torn between duplication, radiation, and unity

[leaden bridge]

Paint

God of paint

this not only makes inmediate thematic sense because chromatic auric soul but also its an obvious reference thats funny

[cloud ibex]

Can you explain the joke in excruciating and excessive detail I didn’t get it

[split mortar]

^

[leaden bridge]

look up calamity paint on YouTube

[cloud ibex]

I know what the reference was I’m just saying shit

[heavy sail]

as a bonus, she'll get burned by the acid on the way down! though i don't think draedon had started turning it into toxic waste city yet by the time yharim threw her in
so she'll get somewhat burned, but not as messed up as she could be

[west plume]

space is sorta the least suffering she could experience

[split mortar]

the acid was done by azafure actually

[heavy sail]

yeah, that's why i said slightly burned

[split mortar]

fair

[heavy sail]

i do find it very funny that she's been thrown into the abyss at least 3 times, this just keeps happening to her

[split mortar]

she gotta bath somehow

[cloud ibex]

God forbid women have hobbies

[west plume]

how else are the fish gonna be blessed

[heavy sail]

i like to think that after a while, some of the ancient abyssal beasts start getting excited to see their buddy again

[light linden]

I still wonder if the ash trees fall under brimmy or silva's domain

[heavy sail]

maybe both?

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone Elemental has dominion over heat.

Trees are natural and thus part of nature.

Trees are not made of heat.

[plucky lichen]

Tree is mades of wood 🤤

[long scaffold]

Does that mean Brimmy is immortal unless everything in the world drops to 0 kelvins

[split mortar]

yes

[heavy sail]

i do like how she was kind of a rose motif going on though. but they're like, rock roses. rose stones if you will. or obsidian roses

[leaden bridge]

Brimstone elemental when draedon uses his universe freezer for exactly five milliseconds right as he detonates a nuke in brimmys ass in the year 49184817472758 after the great elemental wars

[pulsar ocean]

this is just like in that one thing

[frosty charm]

think i just saw a crazy yharon upscale can he grant immortality

i dont think he can

[raven brook]

not rly

[split mortar]

Yharon can rebirth other auric dragons which let them be functionally immortal as long as their soul was around
Yharon cannot just stop yharim from aging or taking harm or anything and can only prolong his life a couple decades with attunement

[frosty charm]

Thought so thanks

[magic epoch]

Yharim is ~ 130 today and is nearing the end of his lifespan

[agile matrix]

is today his birthday?

[split mortar]

I think he was born 130~ years ago not today

[west plume]

no but he can turn yharim meat into not yharim meat

[wanton pendant]

He can raise the dead correctly.
If you want to grant immortality or lifespan extensions that's probably more a job for the domain of Life.

He also can turn corpses into babies I guess but that's rarely very useful.

[timber glacier]

That does bring up the question like couldn’t he have done that with like some of yharim’s soldiers who died to keep their numbers hIgh

[wanton pendant]

I mean I guess but you'd still have to wait for them to grow up.

I know Yharim is pretty relaxed on child labour but I don't think babies make good soldiers.

[timber glacier]

Is he? Didn’t he like make a child destroy an entire civilisation I don’t think he really actively thinks child labour is evil like he does to bee labour or just “slave” labour

[wanton pendant]

That's why I said he was relaxed on it.

I don't see what the issue is we're agreeing on this.

[timber glacier]

Oh I misred

Sorry I’m very tired

[west plume]

i guess but what he raises is effectively just a new person in a different body

if not just a child

soldiers who don't know where they are, how to communicate effectively, how to fight, what species they are, what war is because they were just born a few minutes ago aren't very useful for what i feel are fairly obvious reasons

[timber glacier]

You underestimate the power of Human shields

[magic epoch]

what would happen if i saw signus 🤔 and touched their cloak 🤔🤔 and then stopped touching their cloak 🤔🤔🤔 because they starter trying to biting me

[west plume]

they would probably extend two eye probes and look at you funny before turning around

then if you did it again they'd be like

https://tenor.com/view/fox-cutie-playful-bite-gif-15688292

[magic epoch]

How mean

[bronze lynx]

draedon would be very fond of the cyborg methinks

[timber glacier]

Wouldn’t he be indifferent cos like he doesn’t really care for anything except advancing technology and its not like the cyborg has any technological aspects that draedon doesn’t alredy know how to utilised

[bronze lynx]

fair

[raven brook]

draedon isnt really a technology ultimate organics must die type of guy so i dont think hed be particularly more interested in a robot just because its a robot yea

if it's a robot with particularly interesting technological advancements on it though, then yeah

[idle mulch]

hey so i remember that there were some animated videos on calamity lore, but i heard that the calamity lore got changed, is there somewhere i can find the up to date lore?

[timber glacier]

There is a lore document in the pinned messages of this channel which features most of the mods current lore

Its in this message I am currently replying to

[idle mulch]

pog thanks

[timber glacier]

All good

[sinful adder]

Wait actually, about something above: can yharon actually rebirth non auric beings?

Sounds like no

[timber glacier]

Honestly if that is the case then Yharon's specific domain kind of feels incredibly limited if he can just revive auric beings, whereas other dragons have much broader domains

[plucky juniper]

I actually think he can

[timber glacier]

If he can revive Non-auric beings, like couldn't he after he gets revived and we've beaten yharim, like bring yharim back eventually
Like that obviously wouldn't happen in game but like canonically after the game is completed couldn't he

[raven brook]

based on how i think his domain works i'm pretty sure that wouldn't really be yharim anymore or atleast it'd be like. bringing yharim back as a baby

so how effective that actually is is

debatable

And it's safe to assume yharim's soul would already not be rebirth-able by the time yharon comes back

unless you like stuff it in the dungeon or something

[timber glacier]

Thinking about it with Yharon canonically going to come back in like ten years after the game finishes there are a lot of questions about what will happen once he eventually comes back cos presumably he'll be very very angry that his best and last friend has died so like what would he end up doing when he comes back

[plucky juniper]

i heard his big sin in the draconic era was only using his powers for his fellow auric dragons

which. wouldnt be much of a sin if that was something he could only do to auric beings

[timber glacier]

I guess yeah if he can revive anyone that is kind of a bit crazy to just use it on dragons. Like he could help so many people with that ability but like he didn't do it

[vivid cloud]

@idle mulch

[sinful adder]

If it's anything like the other dragons, it would be bringing yharim back as a baby with all the same memories and such, so just wait 20 years and he'll be back to normal

[raven brook]

im p sure the dragons explicitly dont come back with all the same memories and such

I don't remember though

It's rebirth after all, not ressurection

[sinful adder]

Yharon does

[timber glacier]

How did yharon know about all the other dragons dying them wati

[raven brook]

Yeah i think Yharon's an exception

[eager bluff]

it would make sense that yharon is the exception because like its his domain

on himself

[west plume]

find another yharim

[magic epoch]

alright done, wahts next

[hoary cape]

Make him a nice guy

Without genocidal tendencies

[magic epoch]

okay so

i have done nothing but raise him around genocide for the past 10 years

[plucky juniper]

i just assumed prior to the revelations regarding moon lord's true power, that moon lord randomly killed yharon and sent him to the resurrection mines

hence why apparently a buncha auric dragons completely disappeared

it would even probably prevent yharon from seeing what actually played out between xeroc and zeratros, so to him it seems like his friend just fucking murdered his king

[timber glacier]

Wasn't it because like fovos could actually perma kill the dragons and prevent yharon from resurecting them

[agile matrix]

he consumed their souls i believe

and/or hurt them in such a way

Soul Cancer

[timber glacier]

well he only partially consumed their souls or something because like several of the dragons he killed did end up having their souls remain to be ascended using

[zinc nebula]

does the new 2.1 brainstorm update affect pre boss hellstone methods?

[timber glacier]

1 Wrong Channel, 2. reaver shark can no longer mine hellstone

[zinc nebula]

mb

but ty

[wanton pendant]

What's 100 more years? He can start again, have another attuned.

[agile matrix]

this was quite funny

[vivid cloud]

Nolan, chill.

[wanton pendant]

YOU'RE FIGHTING TO WATCH EVERYONE YOU LOVE DIE! THINK XEROC! YOU'LL LIVE TO WATCH THIS PLANET CRUMBLE TO DUST AND BLOW AWAY! EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW, WILL BE GONE! WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS?!

[vivid cloud]

😂

[vivid cloud]

Would that be Yharim speaking or who?

[wanton pendant]

Yharon, since he's immortal.

[vivid cloud]

Right. I keep forgetting he's not the only one who wants Xeroc dead.

[timber glacier]

Its mainly just yharim and yharon who like seem to want him dead

[wanton pendant]

Almost nobody else knows Xeroc exists.

[timber glacier]

I guess silva also dislikes him too I guess

[wanton pendant]

So it's not like many also could.

We don't know if Silva knows about Xeroc, or what she thinks on him.

[timber glacier]

I thought we did cos how else could she know of how to do the attuned ritual

Also like she got the terminus which he had

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[wanton pendant]

She was in the Abyss, so that's how she could have gotten it. We also don't know the specifics about how ascension works, for instance it might be possible that simply posessing the Terminus is enough to do it perfectly.

[timber glacier]

Oh I thought she got it earlier huh

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc does say he was the one who threw it down there.

And that someone else recovered it before.
Someone who wasn't a mortal.

[timber glacier]

But like if silva used it why is it still down there

[wanton pendant]

She probably just... put it back.

[timber glacier]

I guess but also like theres a fair chance silva had at least heard of xeroc cos she is definitely old enough

[wanton pendant]

She may have known about Xeroc before they became a god, and it's possible that people were aware that there must have been an original god who created the ritual, but Xeroc being that god is something few know, and probably would require Silva to be in very specific circumstances.

Since she would need to be wherever Xeroc was when they first became a god to witness it occur.
If she were on a different continent, or still stuck in the Abyss, or what have you it'd be easy to miss.

[bright phoenix]

Y'all know if Zeratros has a 'canon' design?

[split mortar]

If zeratros has one then it has not been made public

[long bloom]

not yet

just yharon and vetrasyl so far

[bright phoenix]

I might try my hand at a fand design

[cosmic zenith]

Vetrasyl not yet

[light linden]

hi stip

[cosmic zenith]

Hello!

[long bloom]

it's mostly done ain't it

[cosmic zenith]

Mack's artpiece isn't official concept art

[long bloom]

?????

[cosmic zenith]

Have I ever said it was?

[long bloom]

pretty sure yeah

[cosmic zenith]

I kinda doubt it
I've always been careful to say that I would later ask if it could be made official (I did, it can't)

[long bloom]

first i'm hearing of this

[coarse inlet]

I'd assume this means that some of the gods in the lore document are also not the canon designs yet as well?

[cosmic zenith]

Well, Vetrasyl's just not a priority rn

[long bloom]

those are all made by actual dev team members

[cosmic zenith]

^

[coarse inlet]

oh sick

[long bloom]

the hog

[cosmic zenith]

I'm not all that involved with the hog actually

Most of my work has been towards the next actual update

[long bloom]

so if it's not the sky update.....

[wanton pendant]

Technically it's only hard canon once it's in-game.

[long bloom]

ravager tomorrow!!

[light linden]

stip can I ask a question about the update?

[cosmic zenith]

No it's not Ravager

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

got it its old duke

[cosmic zenith]

Sure! I'm not sure if I'll be able to answer it

[wanton pendant]

If not it could still be subject to change.
Things in-game are much less likely to be changed in terms of lore.

[light linden]

I should've said it was about cal development in retrospect

do you know if anyone is working on the code for the exo/arsenal armor?

I doubt it's coming in the next update but still

if you can't answer that just lmk

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah that I couldn't answer regardless of how you asked it

[light linden]

fair

idk if you were there when I said it but

exo armor is the thing I want the most in a future update

with the reti-

wait a moment

if the evil 2 bosses are being retiered, what about the bloody worm scarf and amalgamated brain?

[wanton pendant]

I'd assume they either get moved, change themes or get lotused.

[light linden]

lotused?

[wanton pendant]

Be reborn as a lotus flower.

[light linden]

what?

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Get Old Duked.

[raven brook]

Entirely remade on a conceptual level from scratch

[light linden]

gotcha

thanks

[raven brook]

Np

I imagine they'd be anyways because bloody worm scarf/amalgamated brain and its antecessors are just not very well designed items i think

[limpid saddle]

oh damn

[split mortar]

P sure it was even put in the lore doc its not guaranteed to be a canon design

[leaden bridge]

Why not

[light linden]

minor side note

reason I want the exo armor so bad is because I want end game building armor

[cosmic zenith]

From what I understand, you kinda need to be an official collaborator to establish official stuff (business related)

This all happened because I, against better judgment, decided to create Vetrasyl's design with the help of non-devs I thought would provide valuable contributions (they did)

Even then, I still asked a dev (Mihaii) to make the official art, but he very quickly transferred that task to Mack

Tbf I'm glad it didn't end up being Mihaii

I don't regret this process, though I won't repeat it for obvious reasons

I was hoping I could officialize the design, but unfortunately that was not an option

[agile matrix]

might i ask why not mihaii? i know very little about them and if its more personal stuff i wont pry

[cosmic zenith]

Mihaii was later accused, with supporting evidence, of plagiarism

[agile matrix]

ah i see

[raven brook]

There is also other stuff beyond that but yeah

In general not a very good developer or person from what i know

[empty carbon]

New too the lore I've moticed that moonlord has nothing on him is that a placeholder or is he just not important

[split mortar]

Wdym, the guy caused basically everything in the lore to happen

[empty carbon]

I missed alot

My bad lol

So he's like a god right?

[split mortar]

No

For the most part moonlord is beyond all gods

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord is the reason gods exist.

[split mortar]

Yeah their way of coming to exist was possibly inspired by the powers moonlord has

[wanton pendant]

He's the one that ended the Auric Dragon hegemony, inspired the process to become a god, and was the reason Xeroc was in a position to ascend in the first place.

[split mortar]

Controlling and dominating the auric soul of a dragon to use its power for your benefit

[wanton pendant]

Also it's from the same place DoG is from.

[empty carbon]

So I'm guessing in this lore he isn't Cthulhu either
Hm this is pretty cool actually
I guess all the bosses after him are just omega powerful

[wanton pendant]

Not Cthulhu, yes.

While yes, you're only fighting a glorified corpse.

Technically still alive, but most of the strength lost.

[split mortar]

They are pretty strong but
Look at the guy
He is a corpse compared to what he once was

[wanton pendant]

But at his prime he would be far above every boss currently in-game.

Moon Lord was the second most powerful being in history, and at the time was number one.

Xeroc is the current number one.

[split mortar]

Even most that are yet to be in game

[empty carbon]

Actually talking about moonlord what about Lunatic cultist

[wanton pendant]

Lunatic Cultist is a furry really old guy who worships dragons.

[split mortar]

The head of the dragon cult, keeps the seal holding back moonlord maintained

[wanton pendant]

He's the reason Moon Lord is still on the moon.

Used to be friends with Yharim.

[split mortar]

No one knows if moonlord healed from the injuries or not so if this seal broke theres a non zero chance the world would just end to their knowledge

[empty carbon]

Even with most of him gone he's still extremely powerful damn moon lord is impressive

[split mortar]

Yeah

[light linden]

he's more powerful than the average auric dragon

[empty carbon]

Though does the terrarian have any lore associated with them or do they just kinda come in and kill everybody

[wanton pendant]

They're YOU!

[empty carbon]

Well yeah but like idk

[split mortar]

The terrarian is YOU

[wanton pendant]

Uh, if you want basic narrative cohesion rules then stuff like there's no meta elements, you're not a god and you don't know how to become one and you aren't a pre-existing character.

Except Gaster he's totally real and canon and he's Yharim's ex.

[split mortar]

Who is not Gasters ex

[empty carbon]

terrarian God Slayer about too fight yahrim cause ykw
My personal headcanon is that they just felt like it one day

[split mortar]

Fair enough

[wanton pendant]

(About the meta narrative things, for some strange reason Terraria players tend to be insistent that things like respawning must inherently be a hard story detail for some reason. I haven't seen it with other games. Like, you never see people talk about the lore implications of Mario having extra lives.)

[empty carbon]

Though I do wonder what makes some gods weaker then others is it how they use their power or how much they got

Like slime god which
I'm like pretty sure is a god is weaker then queen slime

[wanton pendant]

That IS Queen Slime.

[split mortar]

Oh queen slime consumed slime god

[wanton pendant]

They're the same person.

[split mortar]

So they became one in the same sorta yeah

[wanton pendant]

And did you really think the God of Slime was going to be as strong as the Goddess of (turning things to) Ash, or the God of Primordial Light (AKA Sunlight)?

Some domains just kinda suck offensively.

[split mortar]

Its a patch detail since they could not move slime god before fabsol left but with him gone there are potential plans to possibly swap sg and calclone which would make it so qs is like, a rebelled hallowed paladin instead

[wanton pendant]

Gods get 'infinite' magic in their domain.
So if you're domain is like Providence that's infinite fire power.
But, if you had a domain like, for the sake of argument, Filth, now you can make stuff muddy forever.

[empty carbon]

Golem isn't even a god right he's just the lizhard idol why he's so strong? Ehh I think there's an answer but I forgot it

[wanton pendant]

Golem is a robot imitating a god.

A really well made robot.

[split mortar]

Domains are strong as shit but that means the person become the bottleneck, if your magic output or skill or anything is lacking it will be what holds you back most

[empty carbon]

Providence is the last god we face everybody else after her isn't a god right

[wanton pendant]

You get infinite ammo, but if your gun sucks and you don't know how to use it you'll still be weak.

[wanton pendant]

Ravager rematch.

But yes.

[split mortar]

Ravager will be moved to post providence and xeroc the primordial light god might also get added as a boss

[wanton pendant]

The fighting bosses again for different drops isn't in the lore it's just some old thing that's still in the game.

[empty carbon]

I do wonder how in the lore the terrarian gets stronger

[wanton pendant]

You kill strong stuff and become stronger.

[ornate turret]

me neither

[wanton pendant]

And make better stuff.

[split mortar]

Ravager concept arts for the redesign

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

You decide

Terrarian up to you

[ornate turret]

abt how the terrarian gets stronger

[split mortar]

Or you can just stop, thats also a completely canon path

[wanton pendant]

Yeah why did you say 'me neither'?

Like, are you saying you don't care or?

[empty carbon]

After calamity is finished up I would love some joke lore for the GFB seed

[split mortar]

You decide what your terrarian does