lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas.

[zenith geode]

calamitas

[vivid cloud]

Right.

[zenith geode]

she really does not want yharim 2

[vivid cloud]

Makes sense.

[wanton pendant]

Also Draedon has infinite energy tech but decides to make infinite energy tech 2, for a laugh.

[vivid cloud]

With the Synthetic Seedling?

[wanton pendant]

And apparently the Distortion is literally just empty in Wrath of the Gods.

[broken surge]

Be honest are yall here for the lore or game

[zenith geode]

ehhh i can actually see that

[mighty zenith]

both

[vivid cloud]

I didn't even see that as the Distortion at all.

[mighty zenith]

but this is the lore channel so we're talking about lore

[zenith geode]

creating a secondary infinite energy source in case something happens to sea prisms

[wanton pendant]

Wrath of the Gods only makes vague attempts to fit in with Calamity just to facilitate its own plotline, and it probably would have been best if it was standalone in the first place.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, because now it's confusing.

Stupidly.

[mighty zenith]

hindsight is 20/20 i guess

[vivid cloud]

Like how is that portal the "Distortion"?

It's not canon, but still.

[wanton pendant]

Also Dreadon somehow making a better version of the Exo Mechs despite them taking months to build.

[zenith geode]

i thought it was to aoe's old universe or smth

[broken surge]

Does anyone have good videoes for the lore rn

[pulsar ocean]

well the nameless diety is of light so it made it
used both to get immense power through perfect ascension and to connect with the dude that made it

[wanton pendant]

The Ceaseless Void Solyn enters reasonably is still the Distortion.

[wanton pendant]

No.

[zenith geode]

but the connection is that its ceaseless

[mighty zenith]

https://youtu.be/gU3tLt96Zcs this video is pretty decent i'd say

[wanton pendant]

And you can also enter it apparently and it's literally empty.

[vivid cloud]

For real.
He just pulls out another one and is like "I've been SAVING this guy, my REAL magnum opus".

[mighty zenith]

if you dont feel like reading docs

[broken surge]

Ty

[rough saffron]

The boss rush is a test, nameless is a test. Terminus is the browser idk

[vivid cloud]

Yep.
And your coordinates, dimension settings and whatnot are all scattered.

[wanton pendant]

And for some reason Xeroc's magic ascension rock also summons God from the Bible.

[vivid cloud]

Wait, what?

[rough saffron]

Terminus

[wanton pendant]

That's what happens in Wrath of the Gods.

[vivid cloud]

You mean when we go to the final test, okay.

I remember that.
I also remember seeing an Awakened Xerocodile.

In the Garden.

[rough saffron]

Draedon clearly needed a lab in the abyss to make Thanatos better

[vivid cloud]

Why in the Abyss?

[rough saffron]

Primordial worm

[vivid cloud]

So to make Thanatos better, it faced off against the Primordial Wyrm?

As an experiment?

[wanton pendant]

No, no idea where this is coming from.

[rough saffron]

Probably

[vivid cloud]

I'm ascertaining stuff.

[rough saffron]

But like for durability

[wanton pendant]

???

[limpid saddle]

No Draedon realistically would have no awareness of the Primordial Wyrm or only in passing

[rough saffron]

If he ever did find out, he would absolutely set up a lab down there

[limpid saddle]

His strongest machines PRE-exo mechs had no chance of taking it down or perhaps even properly analyzing it

[vivid cloud]

Not ascertaining. Assuming.
My bad.

[limpid saddle]

sick Vile pfp though

[wanton pendant]

I'm referring to the other person just making up events.

[vivid cloud]

Thanks🔥

[limpid saddle]

no problem the art goes hard

anyhow yeah Thanatos's design was inspired by the armour he made for DoG while studying his phisiology

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[limpid saddle]

the primordial wyrm was NOT involved

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[rough saffron]

I just find it odd that Draedon had a lab everywhere except the abyss

[limpid saddle]

If it WAS, he would've told us about or dug up the Terminus years before we came into the picture

[long bloom]

he said his tech only recently advanced enough to survive the pressure, but exploration isn't really worth it at this point

from his perspective there's absolutely nothing down there except some big fish

[limpid saddle]

Yeah theres about 4 species that deep in that would maul anything he sends down to investigate

[rough saffron]

Big fish that survive that ungodly pressure

[limpid saddle]

In the end, the Primordial Wyrm is also a big fish

[long bloom]

i'm not sure if he even knows silva's there

[vivid cloud]

For real.
I would study that.

[limpid saddle]

yeah & he had to figure out how to build something to survive said pressure to get there & find out they exist in the first place

so it's kind of a moot point

[vivid cloud]

Nuh uh.
He's a dragon.

[rough saffron]

Wyrms aren’t dragons

[long bloom]

dragon fish

[limpid saddle]

He figures it out, goes down there, goes 'oh, i suppose that makes sense' & then leaves

[long bloom]

yes they are??

[wanton pendant]

I mean unless Yharim managed to keep that a secret he'd probably know she was down there but probably would figure she isn't in a useful state for his purposes.

[wanton pendant]

Wyrm means dragon.

[vivid cloud]

Don't make me explain Germanic folklore to you.

Don't make me do it.

[long bloom]

disregarding irl words, eidolon wyrms are draconic offshoots

[limpid saddle]

goose you are firing all these shotguns & completely missing the target every time

[rough saffron]

Wyrms are more so eastern dragons with wings

[vivid cloud]

Offshoots of what again?

[rough saffron]

But that isn’t a dragon

[vivid cloud]

Dude, Germanic.
That is not in the East.

[long bloom]

probably mizuaruna if i had to guess (dragon of tides)

[wanton pendant]

Dragons are dragons so they aren't dragons?

[vivid cloud]

Interesting.

[eager bluff]

wyrms are indeed quite literally dragons

[rough saffron]

Then using the western interpretation of them makes the comparison worse

[long bloom]

whar

[rough saffron]

Wyrms don’t even have legs

[wanton pendant]

Wyrm is western!

[vivid cloud]

What are you even talking about?

[rough saffron]

Western dragons have 4

[vivid cloud]

WYRM IS WESTERN.

[long bloom]

ok it literally doesn't matter what wyrm means
eidolon wyrms are dragons in calamity

this is just a fact

[wanton pendant]

Here's an illustration of a western dragon with no limbs or wings.

[vivid cloud]

It doesn't matter where they're from.
Wyrms are dragons.
Literally look it up🥀

[rough saffron]

Very different representations

[vivid cloud]

🔥

[vivid cloud]

So what?

[rough saffron]

They are clearly different?

[limpid saddle]

It's all dragons goose

[eager bluff]

wyrms are dragons in the same way wyverns and lung dragons are dragons they're still dragons even if they dont fit within whichever archetype you want them to

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Wyrm is objectively, inarguably, a dragon.

[zenith geode]

are either of these featured in calamity mod

[vivid cloud]

Westerners aren't the only ones who make dragons.

[wanton pendant]

This is stated in the game.

And in the name.

Its parents were dragons and its children are dragons.

[rough saffron]

Technically yharon counts

[rough saffron]

Yeah that’s why I mentioned eastern dragons

[eager bluff]

dragon is not a uniform descriptor it never has been

[limpid saddle]

Dragons are something theres a clear pop cultural image from but really the term is an incredibly open & broad umbrella of mythological creatures stemming from similar concepts

[wanton pendant]

Yharon is also a dragon what's the point?

And wyrms aren't eastern!

[rough saffron]

I never said they were

[vivid cloud]

You're not listening.
It doesn't matter how different they look.
There is MORE THAN ONE appearance dragons can take.
Chinese, Japanese, Mesopotamian, and European dragons all exist in folklore.

[wanton pendant]

You keep bringing it up as a point!

[zenith geode]

all in the same class

[rough saffron]

Eastern dragons, not Wyrms. There are 2 distinct folklore versions of dragons in the east and west

[eager bluff]

even in europe dragons have a shitload of variation

[wanton pendant]

What does that have to do with a single thing then?

The question is are wyrms dragons, and the answer is yes.

[zenith geode]

tldr dragon is more of a class than a genus

[vivid cloud]

Wyrm is a Germanic word.
Germanic is Western. Not Eastern.
And don't be so narrow-minded about how dragons look. They don't just look one way.

[eager bluff]

because dragons dont exist from one singular source

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[limpid saddle]

this is true

[limpid saddle]

man i just said this 💔

[long bloom]

this is a dragon in calamity for christ's sake

[vivid cloud]

Yeah😂

[zenith geode]

gloomborf,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[rough saffron]

I know they don’t look one way, which is why I brought up both types. I never said Germanic is eastern, I brought up the eastern dragon interpretation because they look closer to Wyrms

[wanton pendant]

Eastern dragons don't look like wyrms.

[zenith geode]

wyrm was picked because it sounds like worm and the wyrms are worm bosses

[rough saffron]

They look pretty similar

[vivid cloud]

How is that similar?

[eager bluff]

they're poser worm bosses they only have one segment

[vivid cloud]

In the slightest?

[zenith geode]

the only similarity is enlongated tube-like bodies

[limpid saddle]

Looking at two different reptiles going 'FUUUCK WHATS THE DIFFERENCE' because im lizard racist

[wanton pendant]

It looks way more like a western dragon.

[rough saffron]

And serpentine form

[zenith geode]

star reaction

[rough saffron]

That looks more like a basilisk

[vivid cloud]

So because they both have "snake bodies" means they're similar?

[wanton pendant]

It's literally a drawing of a dragon.

[limpid saddle]

thank you woke lesbian jesus

[vivid cloud]

😂

[rough saffron]

It’s a pretty big similarity

[zenith geode]

variation in reptiles

[vivid cloud]

Bro, ok😭
You need to read more books on dragons, that's all I'm saying.

[zenith geode]

i dont know why the saltwater croc is so fat

[rough saffron]

I see the creature I torment the angler with and the most annoying jungle enemy

[zenith geode]

i dont know if theyre just naturally that fat

[vivid cloud]

That's a TORTOISE, not a turtle😭

[rough saffron]

I was getting to that

It takes a while to type on phone

[vivid cloud]

Ok🥀

[rough saffron]

Bc it takes giant tortoise shell for the absorber

And turtle shells for beetle armor

But turtle shells are dropped by the giant tortoise for some reason

[wanton pendant]

Because tortoises are turtles.

[rough saffron]

We definitely lost the plot of the conversation

How did we go from Draedon to turtle semantics 🥀

[vivid cloud]

Ok, look.
At most you're making yourself look worse because you can't tell the difference between two dragons.

That's where I was going before we sidetracked into reptiles.

Many variations of dragons exist in Eastern mythology.

Because many countries and cultures contribute to Eastern mythology.

[rough saffron]

And then china assimilated most of the east or something and made 1 standard dragon

So it’s much harder to find variations of eastern dragons

[vivid cloud]

Be careful using the word "standard".

[rough saffron]

But western ones are all over the place

[vivid cloud]

No.
You're still talking about ONE country out of a ton that make up the Eastern region.
You will find variations, trust me.

[vivid cloud]

You're more familiar with Western dragons, and that's unfortunately the same for many people.

Including me.

So I get it.

[rough saffron]

I’m just seeing a lot of long serpent like dragons with 4 claw legs and no wings

So unless the variation is how many claws on each foot then idk what it is

Or if one is longer than the other

It definitely varies, I just can’t find it

[vivid cloud]

See if you can find some more in either far East Asia or the Slavic region of Europe.

[vivid cloud]

The internet sucks for that reason.
Sorry I didn't see where you were coming from earlier.

[rough saffron]

This seems much more hydra like ngl

I feel like it gets harder to distinguish what is and isn’t a dragon the more types you add

[eager bluff]

yes this is because dragon is a term used for almost literally anything

[zenith geode]

sees big strong thing "dragon"

[rough saffron]

Ahh a scaly creature, must be a dragon

[eager bluff]

there are essentially souped up deer that have been classified as dragon

[vivid cloud]

Herensuge is a Spanish dragon that usually has three heads. That in your eyes could be the Hydra, too.
Be careful doing that.

[pulsar ocean]

you sound racist

[zenith geode]

wasnt the lernaean hydra not even described as a dragon

[rough saffron]

I’m not calling it a hydra though? I’m just saying it is hydra-like (having the traits of a hydra)

[rough saffron]

It was like some bipedal lizard thing iirc

[vivid cloud]

The fact that it has many heads does not make it THAT similar to the Hydra.
You need to go into more specifics.

[rough saffron]

That’s literally one of the most defining traits of a hydra

Nobody looks at a 1 headed hydra and calls it a hydra

[vivid cloud]

Yes, I know.
But you gotta go deeper than that.
You know the story of the Hydra?

[rough saffron]

The oldest I know is lernean

[vivid cloud]

The lore makes creatures similar, not just appearances.

[eager bluff]

ok but this isnt about the story right now it looks like a hydra thus it is hydra-like

much like how a wyrm is a snakelike creature even if it isnt actually a snake

[vivid cloud]

I guess.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, ok I understand.

[rough saffron]

It’s kind of like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t a square or something

A wyrm is a dragon but a dragon isn’t a wyrm automatically

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, because a wyrm is a specific.

[rough saffron]

Yeah like how squares are specific

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[rough saffron]

Anyways I will now scroll until I find the original conversation

[rough saffron]

Something something terminus

[vivid cloud]

Eidolon Wyrms are draconic offshoots.

That's what it was.

[rough saffron]

And xeroc crocodile I guess

[stark flame]

Does Xeroc know a lot of magic?

[wanton pendant]

...of course?

[vivid cloud]

The Awakened Xerocodile.

Interesting dude.

[stark flame]

[long bloom]

using any domain counts as magic

and one of their (former) best friends is the most skilled fire mage in terraria

[vivid cloud]

Is that Calamitas?

[long bloom]

yharon

calamitas is only 28

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, not Calamitas😭

[rough saffron]

Xeroc is pretty old

[long bloom]

and not what you could describe as "skillful"

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[rough saffron]

Calamitas is just “I have magic but it uses itself”

[eager bluff]

more accurately she just brute forces the magic

[long bloom]

more like she just obliterates everything instantly so she doesn't really have to use finesse yeah

[rough saffron]

If I add enough mana, it will work eventually boils the ocean

[long bloom]

yharon vs calamitas magic is like a kusarigama vs grenade launcher

[rough saffron]

Copper bow vs heavenly gale

[long bloom]

that analogy would work if copper bow did anything

[rough saffron]

Wait no

Platinum bow with jester arrows

[long bloom]

[rough saffron]

Or hellfire

Since they are wavy

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, that.

[long bloom]

carefully weave fire through the air in precision strikes vs generate a thermonuclear explosion and just drown it in so much mana it gets far enough away from you when it explodes

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[rough saffron]

Stable holders vs. screwdriver featuring a demon core

[pure patrol]

you try to read it and it's a merch link to his plushie

[noble falcon]

I am at Disney world on a trip currently
What is Yharim’s favorite ride and/or attraction

[icy veldt]

The bathroom

[wanton pendant]

Yharim has no time for hobbies.

[heavy zenith]

Yharim had Draedon implement Exotech into his PC

[mighty zenith]

yharim doesnt have a pc he's old

he plays sollitaire with real cards

[wanton pendant]

That would obviously be so he could post slurs more efficiently.

[mighty zenith]

he also plays minesweeper with real mines

[balmy glacier]

yharon

[noble falcon]

Ok but like if he did have the time though

[wanton pendant]

So that's the thing about Yharim.

Even if he had the time.

[noble falcon]

Actually wait
He does have time
Bro is chilling in his gamer paradise in dragon heaven and all he has to do for work is drop some lore tidbits whenever something cool dies, he has nothing BUT time to go to Disney world

[wanton pendant]

He is that single minded in his goal.

You see it with Polterghast, he could have dealt with it easily but he considered it too much of a distraction.

He wouldn't go to a theme park, it would be a needless distraction from the cause.

[noble falcon]

You are answering everything but the question I asked broski, what ride would it be
Personally I think it’d be the guardians of the galaxy coaster cause the setup for that is defeating an evil god guy

[rough saffron]

A Hercules meet and greet because it gave him information on where to find more gods (victims)

[noble falcon]

Now were thinking big

[plush trellis]

Since the distortion is a hivemind and DoG is from it, does this mean that noxus is an edgelord too? Since DoG is an edgelord

[raven brook]

Not all of the distortion is a hivemind

There just is a prevalent hivemind on it

Devourer, one could assume, is not a part of the "hivemind" and has a distinct consciousness and personality

[raven brook]

Signus is from the distortion and he's entirely separate and not one of Noxus's lackeys, so

[plush trellis]

I see

[wheat walrus]

gus

[hoary cape]

Cheese keeps being promoted and demoted to random roles

How many jobs do you keep going through

[raven brook]

Manager

[brazen coral]

I am promoting you to chief executive officer

[violet sparrow]

of the moderators*

[agile matrix]

senior saw president

[noble falcon]

Draedon’s prototype name for the Photon Ripper

[dull shuttle]

what would be the ideal way to explore the lore? would 1 full playthrough be enough?

[wanton pendant]

If you pay attention and seek out every detail, you'd still need to play on a second world due to there being two world evils.
On the bright side there's not much of a difference in what you can learn, but you'd be able to get all the currently implemented details.

Biggest issue is the fact that a lot of information is in the Bestiary.

You would also need to do Boss Rush which is post-game.

This is all assuming you want to do it by finding it ingame and not just reading the documents.

[long bloom]

read the stuff in the game and then the document in the second pin

[long scaffold]

Just make an artificial evil?

Or is that only Vanilla

[wanton pendant]

I don't think you can get the Whisper by doing that.

[raven brook]

you can

just kill boc

and perfs

[plush trellis]

Theres an natural opposite evil floating island

[long scaffold]

oh yeah

even easier

[raven brook]

yea u just need to kill enough enemies and get enough evil mushrooms to be able to make evil2's spawn

er

evil1

and then wait around for a evil2 spawn to show up

[young socket]

there is only one check for killing evils 1, and the whispers for eow/boc and corruption/crimson are based on the evil 1 check

[raven brook]

cuz you get the whispers from them

[raven brook]

oh really thats fucked up

whyd they do that

[young socket]

idk ask red

he only ever made one evil boss check and calamity doesnt make a new one

[raven brook]

couldn't you just make it drop direcrtly from the boss instead

i assume thats how all the others do it

[young socket]

yes they are directly dropped, theres just a check beforehand so you dont get repeats

[long scaffold]

Suggesting this to be fixed

wait that might be considered a bug

[plush trellis]

Idk if this is a calamity thing or if another mod is doing this but something is letting me turn boss trophies into lore items

[young socket]

yea thats calamity

idk if the corruption/crimson items have a craft so i didnt bring it up

was too lazy to check

[young socket]

also this by all means is working as intended

[long scaffold]

a lot of times oversights are thrown into that channel

[young socket]

i mean its also not an oversight this is well known

[raven brook]

what i mean is for them to check if you've killed the boss directly rather than evil1, since i assume thats how ligterally every other boss does it

[timber glacier]

Can’t you still like craft them using the boss trophies of the opposite evil’s bosses? Like you can craft them still so like they’re still obtainable so its not as much of an issue if I am corect on this

[leaden bridge]

Yes

[warm gull]

cheese why are you always some title ending with -er

[agile matrix]

thats how possessives work for some reason

[sonic hare]

Hi guys, i'm wanna ask something, where can i read the lore for terraria calamity mod? I can't play calamity mod because i don't have laptop or pc.

[plucky juniper]

for an introduction to the lore, there's this: #lore-discussion message

for the actual lore written ingame, there's this: #lore-discussion message

enjoy

[sonic hare]

Thankyou

[pulsar ocean]

But who decided that

[sinful adder]

English language

Ancient tradition plus people doing random shit over the centuries

[wheat walrus]

p

[limpid saddle]

The blessed drunk world seed;

[stark flame]

I’ve heard that Solyn is the Princess of Orion. Is this true, or is it just a rumor?

[long bloom]

this channel is for vanilla and base calamity lore, i doubt many people here know about wotg

ask in #calamity-addon-talk for better results

[stark flame]

thank you

[pulsar ocean]

does yharim not realize there could be extraterrestrial gods

[wanton pendant]

There were no space dragons so he doesn't care.

[bleak hare]

I mean WaterWraith is right but thats not exactly to say that there aren't potentially other alien creatures that have auric souls

i mean the universe is hella big 90 bil light years aint no park run

[limpid saddle]

Unless other planets have world souls AND dragons then it is true that they can't

[bleak hare]

yeah no dragons is more or less impossible

same thing cant rlly evolve seperately under different conditions

[limpid saddle]

It's already a complete toss-up on whether or not outside of Terraria there are planets in the wider universe that have the primordial light suns that give life to our solar system

[pulsar ocean]

why are alien spaceships called saucers if no sauce is being disposed

[wanton pendant]

Yharim couldn't care less if some other species had Auric Souls and lost them somewhere. His concern is with the dragons.

[limpid saddle]

and calamity isnt really interested in answering said questions either way because they arent really thematically relevant

[bleak hare]

yeah water wraith right yharim still wouldnt gaf

[wanton pendant]

Martians use electric sauce and are actually trying to prepare you as a meal.

[bleak hare]

ggg its said that there are like countless other stars from mana (and also presumably hydrogen) according to draedon and we don't really have any reason to assume that the laws of the calamity universe are that different outside of metaphysical energy types so there should logically be alien life somewhere out there.

[wanton pendant]

We know there is.

Astrum Deus and Martians prove it.

[pulsar ocean]

is xeroc the cancer god if primordial light is sunlight and sunlight causes cancer

[wanton pendant]

But developers have said in the past that there are no space dragons.

[wanton pendant]

That's actually Xeroc's cousin, Carcinogen.

[bleak hare]

calamity fandom wiki going crazy

[pulsar ocean]

why not

[wanton pendant]

Dragons can't go space.

[bleak hare]

also they likely cant evolve twice

[pulsar ocean]

i guess bro

[bleak hare]

but again there might be something else like dragons that are capable of absorbing auric souls out there so if you wanna consider that as your space dragons then go ahead

[pulsar ocean]

id evolve into a dragon if i was on urath or something

[bleak hare]

thraggon

[limpid saddle]

I didnt mean there ISN'T I mean as in there isnt something equivalent

and the martians feel like an unfair comparison given cosmically mars is like one block down from earth/terraria

[split mortar]

gloomborf the dragon of gluttony consumed by gloobus glorbus the slime god

idk

[limpid saddle]

wonder why you dug that one up melon siffrin

[wanton pendant]

@heavy zenith Watching your video;
The fissure in space-time is the Distortion, and as such is the origin of the Moon Lord. While yes, it isn't explicitly called 'The Distortion' in the Bestiary entry, it's just meant to be a descriptor of it.
You seem to imply that Astrum Deus feed on stars for a higher purpose other than as a food source when there isn't any evidence of this. I also am not aware of any evidence of Astrum Deus being able to tell if a star will become infected in the future, although it is implied by Draedon that they are able to tell that Astral Infection is not safe to eat (with the exception of the one we see in game due to it possibly being juvenile and having not learned to avoid it yet.)
Geocentrism was not only a developer confirmation but is also no longer in play, but I believe you were informed of that. Terraria is in a heliocentric solar system, but it is safe to say the moon still orbits it, since that's what moons do.
Pumpkin and Frost Moon are non-canon due to being references to real world holidays and as such fall under references.
While the planetoid information is correct, you included an image of an Exodium planetoid which are post-Moon Lord. Obviously this is an immense moral failing on your part and a critical issue. (Not really.)
I'd say it is inaccurate to call the Abyss one of the main biomes since it is regarded as an anomaly and likely is the only one of its kind that isn't deep out in the ocean.
Air Elemental is a proven thing, and the Cloud Elemental is an example of it. There is also the Nature Elemental Silva. There are no other Elementals, as Chaos Elementals are actually a misnomer.

There isn't any reason to believe the dragons were created along with the shattering of the World Soul, as dragons are otherwise presented as being normal creatures. The specifics on who/what granted the souls are a dev confirmation so the omission in that regard is reasonable.

[split mortar]

whur

[wanton pendant]

Your phrasing does imply that draconic offshoots like Fishrons aren't actually dragons, which is inaccurate, they are all still fully draconic, the only difference is the lack of an Auric Soul. The term draconic offshoot is most likely an in-universe perjorative rather than a fully accurate descriptor.

[leaden bridge]

Yharon made it up to be racist

This is true

[split mortar]

i see it

[leaden bridge]

I mean fishrons specifically are maybe not pure dragons genetically who knows who cares

[wanton pendant]

While the Dragonfolly information is correct, it should be noted that the lore of Dragonfolly is guaranteed to change in the future.
"The Dragons seemingly got along very well with the other races considered to be their relatives."
(Did I use that right?)

[leaden bridge]

Wyvern fish

[leaden bridge]

Hd failure has no right way to use it

[long bloom]

whar video

[wanton pendant]

There's literally nothing implying that humans were created by Auric Dragons. You should probably be pointing out that they seemed to have evolved as a subterranean race though. Also concerned that referring to both the dragons and humans as 'arriving' might make people think there's an implication of them being aliens.

[west plume]

ur wrong. the aliens have a lot of sauce

[wanton pendant]

The DEFINITIVE Terraria: Calamity Timeline!

[long bloom]

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT

guuugjghgjvjlm

[leaden bridge]

😭 😭

Son

[young socket]

the definitive timeline video when not even a quarter of calamity has been reworked yet...

[leaden bridge]

Why don't they just setup a sauce monopoly instead of violently invading

[long bloom]

there is no definitive timeline
i know because i made it

[wanton pendant]

It makes no sense to bring up Braelor in the Draconic Era, multiple centuries or even millenia before his birth, as the guardian of Vernal Pass.

[west plume]

you need an appetizer for the sauce to be useful

[leaden bridge]

Don't the martians understand unrestrained capitalism is more useful for their purposes than war?

The definitive timeline is some shit happens before the game and it's relevant because of reasons

Go kill things

#powerfantasy

[pulsar ocean]

what would thragg do if he got distorted

[leaden bridge]

kill everyone

I assume he'd want to get out so he'd probably end up communicating with someone who can do that

[long bloom]

anyway @heavy zenith
as the curator of the timeline in the introductory lore doc, it's not definitive
we still have no idea when a ton of stuff happened and probably won't know for a very long time

[icy veldt]

They turn people into sauce

[wanton pendant]

Dragon Cult is most likely a splinter of the Dragon Monks, rather than something that existed in the Draconic Era.

It's technically never established if the cult built the Dungeon but it's a reasonable assumption.

We don't know if the cult kept Ceaseless Void hidden from Auric Dragons, mainly due to there not being an indication the current form of the cult existed that far back.

[leaden bridge]

I don't see why they'd do that

[west plume]

a lot of things dont actually have definitive dates or time periods and instead just have events they happened before

i think creating a cohesive timeline would be like an fnaf-timeline type herculean task

[west plume]

i'm kinda unsure why any auric dragon would care about a weird mirror that doesnt do anything; it's not like it was releasing distortion creatures regularly enough for them to be sighted

[wanton pendant]

"noraml."
You neglect to mention the importance of Silva's presence in the Abyss had for Azafure's founding.

[long bloom]

yeah i discovered that when i kept asking writers when shit happened and they responded with

[wanton pendant]

You seem to imply that Wulfrum is from Azafure despite there not being any evidence of this.

[long bloom]

what 😭

[west plume]

a big previous issue in cal lore dev is a lot of things would just kinda be decided due to lack of care for surrounding context and that was that

i hope in the future was can rectify this a lil

[long bloom]

hopefully

[magic epoch]

did you know? in calamity, lore discussion

[wanton pendant]

The sea is named the Ilmeran Sea. Ilmerian refers to things that originate from Ilmeris, the country.

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

It is also not an ocean connecting two continents. I don't know how you concluded that honestly.

[west plume]

i have no idea how calamitas would boil off the majority of an ocean without destroying the planet

[wanton pendant]

Repeat of the Dragonfolly point, yes Desert Scourge is currently some kind of worm/snake but that is going to change.

[west plume]

what if snake with limbs

[wanton pendant]

I would say that the Ilmerians were composed of more than just seahorse men, but there isn't any evidence of that in-game, so you get that one.

[west plume]

fuuuck we should have included the otonilou statue

[long bloom]

generalzatguy opening this channel in the morning

[wanton pendant]

It is inaccurate to say they were split into tribes for the majority of the Draconic Era, it was the entirety, as they were unified by gods.

Literally nothing implying that the Ilmerians weren't or were less sapient?
Like, sure, if you go back millions of years, but not thousands.

[west plume]

Gulp

Thankfully we removed that one before brainstorm

[long bloom]

wait what i never noticed that 😭

[young socket]

FISH RACISM IN MY LORE VIDEO!?

[wanton pendant]

I would argue the jellyfish are the important ones but fair enough.

Where did you get Granite Golems were created for mining? I've never heard of such a thing.

[long bloom]

why would you make a "definitive timeline" lore video without consulting literally anyone 💔 💔 💔

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's statements on the Blood Moon are factoring in the present day, not civilizations over a thousand years ago.
This is putting aside the fact that humanity didn't dwell on the surface at the time, since that's a dev statement I'm fairly sure.

[west plume]

isnt that the current bestiary entry

[young socket]

GraniteGolem: These strong magicked constructs were utilized in mines for carrying heavy ores and machinery. They continue to inhabit the mines deep below, even after their abandonment.

[wanton pendant]

Then somebody tell the people making the reference doc because it's not in there.

[magic epoch]

humanity 👀

[long bloom]

@woeful karma buh

[young socket]

octo decided not to put literally every lore detail in the reference doc for some reason

go take it up with her

[west plume]

how r they gonna inhabit the surface when it was inhospitably hot for humans

[wanton pendant]

WHERE IS OCTO!

[wanton pendant]

Is the whole sun on high thing in-game anywhere?

[young socket]

asleep probably

[long bloom]

no

[young socket]

she lives in america

[magic epoch]

im in america

its nine twenty three in the morning

[wanton pendant]

Then have to give it a pass on the basis the video is meant to only include in-game stuff.

[magic epoch]

in my time zion

[west plume]

i think tri might make duke talk about zeratros eventually. if he doesn't i'm stepping in

[long bloom]

it's 7:23 here

[young socket]

tingle tangle

[west plume]

also wtf why isnt zeratros setting the sun on high in-game. that was decided ages ago

[long bloom]

implementation hell

[west plume]

i need to start making a list

[long bloom]

i have a list of events not on the timeline if that helps

[young socket]

sky update will save us and give us so much dragon lore 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[west plume]

i agree

[long bloom]

sky update tomorrow

[young socket]

i really hope sky update is the next major update because ughjghggh i love aerialite and all the sky related lore

i want proper chrysadia in game so much

[wanton pendant]

We don't actually know if Yharon actively fought against Fovos, and for the sake of Yharon slander I'm going to say he was cooped up in the Aerie like a little hatchling.

[long bloom]

you forget, yharon upscale

[west plume]

he was sitting on a giant couch made of marble eating dragon chips and the auric cameraman happened to put the camera on xeroc ascending

[wanton pendant]

I don't think there is any indication the dragons were backed up by humans. While it's not unreasonable that the stronger monks may provide backup, nothing says the dragons just had human armies backing them up until Yharon got Yharim.

[west plume]

the humans were who they were trying to protect so i don't think they would have allowed them to participate; they mostly just had their attuned monks there for assistance and potentially documentation

also it was out in the open when the open was inhospitable to humans for the most part, again

[wanton pendant]

I don't think at any point is it mentioned that Fovos defeated Yharon.

[west plume]

he did not

[young socket]

xeroc just trying to run towards fovos but taking ages because fovos and the dragons keep moving faster than they can keep up

[wanton pendant]

I don't think it's safe to conclude the Lunatic Cultist himself was the one sealing Fovos. It is true that he was tasked with maintaining it and was present, however.

Giving a lot of credit to the Dragon Cult in this...

[split mortar]

sky civisilation gif here

[wanton pendant]

Don't really think it's fair to say they were suprised that the sealing spell sealed the pillars too. I'd assume that would be part of the plan.

The reason for Zeratros' soul being lost is implied to be a consequence of Fovos' ability to devour souls and turn them into weapons, not due to the absence of Yharon.

[west plume]

yeah

fovos would have took that shit and pillarified it and started spawning microwave aliens

yharon couldn't do anything about that

[wanton pendant]

Why the Auric Dragons left the Aerie to defend Terraria from Fovos:

Providence's name is indicated to be a title she assumed after becoming a goddess.

[gaunt harness]

So what role does the Terminus play here? Can't it let the dragon be reborn？

[magic epoch]

iirc the terminus is related to ascension

[long bloom]

it lets you perform a perfect ascension

that's it

[wanton pendant]

1086 as the last year of the Draconic Era? Do you have a source for that?

[wanton pendant]

The opposite, if anything.

[long bloom]

why is bro just making shit up 😭

[wanton pendant]

Since our timeline has it as 1037, not 1086, that's a difference of nearly fifty years.

[split mortar]

the only confirmed thing is it lets perfect ascension happen, while theories and stuff of other functionality are made they are not confirmed

[west plume]

I know how it works as a developer...

Ill never tell you though....

https://tenor.com/view/vaguepost-vague-vaguepost-king-no-context-gif-1467184735939411945

[young socket]

what if i bribe you

[split mortar]

thats called being a patreon donator

[young socket]

[wanton pendant]

Since, this is the first time I've seen the year 1086 be an important one in the Calamity timeline, and only in your video.

[magic epoch]

becomes a patreon donor for malicious intent

[split mortar]

like the i think it was soulstone theory

[west plume]

there is presently secret information available in patreon that will be revealed later that u have the opportunity to know early

not related to terminus tho

[wanton pendant]

You should probably note that Xeroc seemingly vanishes from history after the Draconic Era.

[split mortar]

water wraith gaming how many calories is the terminus worth according to the theories

[wanton pendant]

Even if we knew if Xeroc created the Terminus, it is clearly not created for the purpose of contacting him, and its function as the key to perfect ascension is not unreasonable to deduce from in-game data. Main thing missing is in-game reference to the Dragon of Life who functionally proves it.

[wanton pendant]

Depends on what it's made from and from where.

[long bloom]

at least 2

[young socket]

well it appears to be primarily made of rock

theres also a bit of moss on it

[split mortar]

ur made of rock with moss on it

[west plume]

its made of primordial rock

[wanton pendant]

I don't think there's anything saying that the gods feared wyrms.

[young socket]

what the fuck

[stark flame]

[wanton pendant]

Ok, you do mention Xeroc screwing off. Fair enough.

[split mortar]

wh y isnt calmain stickers appearing in my sticker slots but emotes and stuff do

[young socket]

pisscord

[young socket]

need a version of this but with permafrost

[wanton pendant]

You also don't seem to mention anything about the Dragon of Flame being exiled or taking in the Obsidian Serpents.

[west plume]

make it

[young socket]

im no artist sadly

[west plume]

become one

[split mortar]

that adds to the whimsy

[west plume]

outsider art is important

[young socket]

you make a good offer. but nah

[wanton pendant]

Wait I figured it out the 1086 year is from taking the Moon Lord entry of it being 800 years ago at face value. Putting aside that that would be 801 years ago, this is why I said it should say 850 instead.

[west plume]

the moon lord came and just stared at the exact location of the aerie for a year until the dragons got irritated

[wanton pendant]

Where on Earth did you get that Guardian Commander died?

[gaunt harness]

He spent thousands of years creating bosses for players to challenge.

[magic epoch]

make it..?

like…

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc isn't even a thousand years old.

Oh, Relic of Deliverance.

[gaunt harness]

A few hundred years.

[west plume]

me (130) and my immortal dragon friend (upwards of 10,000 years old) and his mortal enemy (like 820 years old)

[wanton pendant]

Assuming it's referring to the fight with Providence against Zaelithar, she still couldn't have died.

[split mortar]

850+

[wanton pendant]

Necromancy does not actually raise the dead in Calamity, and certainly Providence couldn't.

[limpid saddle]

bizarre to imply he made all the trash mob bosses that all have independant origins or were made by Draedon

[wanton pendant]

And that's assuming that Relic of Deliverance isn't referring to a past incident that made Commander want it killed.

"One of the wickedest gods."

[long bloom]

water can you stop sending 5 million small messages it's gonna be impossible to read

[young socket]

calling providence one of is certainly a statement

[west plume]

someone in sscls got mad at me for saying that yharon was like 10k years old when that isn't even my number 💔

[gaunt harness]

Maybe when Yharim becomes challengeable, he will also create him in the boss rush.

[west plume]

xeroc creates yharon's friend after he dies just to fuck with yharon while he's in spectator mode

[limpid saddle]

just starts doing a terrible yharim impression & monologues about how he needs to kill everyone

[young socket]

i wonder what yharon thinks of xeroc making a copy of him for boss rush

[split mortar]

ggg do you think calclone can beat plantera

[magic epoch]

Last I played pokemon, fire beats grass

[limpid saddle]

this is true

[limpid saddle]

what difficulty

like is this master/death plantera or what are we doing

[split mortar]

idk thats why i am asking you

[magic epoch]

Revengeance is the canon difficulty so I'm assuming that

[west plume]

for some reason a lot of the sscls people thought i was like changing the lore actively

its really odd

im not even a writer...

[limpid saddle]

Ok we'll assume Expert/Revengeance, with the changes from each, I think Calamitas Clone can take out Plantera

[wanton pendant]

Profaned enemies being from the Hallow and Underworld is an outdated gameplay implementation.
Now that you're finally bringing up Silva, I still have to ask why you're bringing up Braelor who certainly isn't alive yet.
There's nothing to imply that he's actually hundreds of years old beyond Silva letting people live longer.
If Braelor were that old, Yharim probably would never have been a major threat.
I guess there isn't anything saying she didn't bless Primordial Wyrm shortly after becoming a goddess, so, sure.

However, I think the chances of Xeroc personally requesting this to happen is... none.
Even putting aside the fact that Primordial Wyrm seems to hate Xeroc inherently, why would Xeroc do that?

[limpid saddle]

The bullet-hell sections give her some very useful invulnerability while applying notable DPS, I forget which one has it but the fact that Plantera will be trapped onto one target means the Constructs flamethrower is doing alot, while Plantera has a notably less consistent form of DPS, her numbers ARE higher
But ultimately I think CalClone takes that fight

[split mortar]

i see

[young socket]

tldr calclone has fire

well known for being effective on grass types

bwa

does anyone here have a wiki account btw

[split mortar]

nuh

[limpid saddle]

Like wiki.gg?

[wanton pendant]

You seem to imply that Silva pioneered necromancy, but I think this is just a case of you saying both Silva and Agnus were pioneers in different forms of magic. Silva was a biomancer, and I doubt a Goddess of Life would be too fond of undeath.
It's a bit harsh to call Slime God a 'physical incarnation of gluttony' when that's not his domain and it's actively something he suppresses.

[magic epoch]

calclone can also burn plantera which makes her physical attacks deal half as much damage

[young socket]

yes

[long bloom]

i do

[magic epoch]

wait. Is this toxic yuri

calclone plantera ship name is wildfire

[wanton pendant]

You seem to imply that Slime God stopped maintaining balance at some point, should probably mention that you mean in the event of the player killing him.

[magic epoch]

bushfire

[long bloom]

:lo:

[limpid saddle]

isnt that usually caused by a disease

[wanton pendant]

Wasn't Signus only worshipped as consequence of Statis' bargain? Is that something not in-game or am I misremembering?

[magic epoch]

plantera poisons which is a sickness debuffs which is close enough to disease

toxic yuri

[wanton pendant]

For the love of God he's not the Envoy of the Devourer that name is being removed next update anyway and we all know it's not accurate.

[limpid saddle]

no apparently signus WAS worshipped by the Onyx Kinsmen as a group before Statis had any involvement with him

[wanton pendant]

Thanks for the lesson the Phillipines?
Fair enough then.

[limpid saddle]

if im not misremembering my dev statements anyhow

[young socket]

no

statis is the last onyx kinsmen anyway how would that cause others to worship him

[limpid saddle]

dw i already did this one

[limpid saddle]

i was trying to- y'know what fuck it nevermind nature blast

[magic epoch]

fool

[wanton pendant]

Not paricularly sure why it's so curious that gods can have children.

Thank you for not jumping the gun and saying she's the child of Xeroc though.

Also I think it is worth mentioning that the years are based on the founding of Azafure, as I don't think you mentioned it.

I think you could phrase better the fact that the drones from Draedon became things of myth due to him learning from the mistakes of being detected and maintained a low profile, meaning that sightings ceased.

Don't think anything indicates that Permafrost came to Yharim to join the Crusade.

[leaden bridge]

as if that'd be a bad thing

[wanton pendant]

While Permafrost was Yharim's advisor, I don't believe anything puts him as second-in-command. That would probably be Yharon.

Permafrost also avoids combat, I don't think he would be recruited due to battle power.

[long bloom]

that would absolutely be yharon

[west plume]

Canon

[wanton pendant]

Basically, Permafrost's value was his intelligence, not his combat ability.

I don't think it can be said for certain if Permafrost joined before Azafure or had any hand in that alliance.

While it's not out of the question, there isn't anything that points to Azafure having been a headquarters for Yharim.

[long bloom]

he did not

it's explicitly stated azafure was yharim's first ally

other than yharon

[wanton pendant]

I don't recall any indication that the cultists functioned as prison guards.

If you are able to invade civilizations on other continents, you are not a pseudo-military, you are just a military.

[limpid saddle]

Well it isn't stated but it's a fair thing to get from the Dragon Cultists allowing the Yharmy to use the Dungeon as a prison for PoWs

[wanton pendant]

Specifically working as the guards.

Also you make it sound like Yharim did basically nothing up until meeting Draedon.

[young socket]

iirc the ragged caster are the only ones confirmed to be part of the dragon cult

[wanton pendant]

Fair enough then.

[young socket]

the other mage skeletons dont refer to the dragon cult or yharim i think

however all the other skeletons are either prisoners of war or yharim troops/mercs hired by yharim

[stark flame]

Approximately how many souls make up the Polterghast?

[wanton pendant]

Incalculable.

[long bloom]

we dunno

i'd guess around 100 at the bare minimum

[split mortar]

id guess high hundreds bare minimum

[wanton pendant]

Yharim tasked Draedon with surveying the tundra due to it being overlooked by his army.
Permafrost requested Draedon assist in studying Cryonic Ore, but Draedon did not assist in its creation.

[west plume]

some

[wanton pendant]

It should also be noted that said event occured very late into the Crusade due to Calamitas being present.
(Oh, also two things, Draedon says Calamitas arrived seeking Yharim, and also how convenient that Permafrost happened to be stationed very far away from the rest of the forces with Calamitas, almost as if it was to make it easier to sneak her out for secret missions.)

It is highly unlikely that it was only after all that did Yharim finally slay a single god.
Especially since you included events that occured at the very end of the Crusade and after the Wall of Flesh was created as occuring earlier.

Some gods had armies and followers. They did not all come ready for war.

There also isn't any evidence to say that Yharim did not kill any gods until recruiting Draedon, even if he was incredibly valuable.

Probably worth noting that the world evils were great propaganda tools and also that the Hallow has the same origin.

I'm not sure if Yharim is the kind of person to recruit defeated enemies, but I guess I can't rule it out.

[gaunt harness]

I'm curious what classification Fovos belongs to. Is it a classification from Cthulhu Mythos, because he doesn't rely on the Auric Soul.

[split mortar]

Fovos is some strong as fuck thing from the distortion, we do not know more on it then that

[gaunt harness]

Like Noxus, the true master of DoG.

[wanton pendant]

Silva being dumped into the Abyss was not due to the method of containing Godly Essence not existing yet, but due to her being immortal.

We don't know if Anahita was dormant beforehand, or if this specific incident is what caused her migration. It is entirely possible she migrated around two thousand years ago.

Where did you get Yharim seeking out the Vernal Pass from?

You have the 'Silva's essence improved the agriculture of Azafure' in the wrong place by nearly two thousand years.

This essence was important to the foundation of the city. It had to have had it long before the Crusade began.

[long bloom]

blossom flux

[wanton pendant]

The Sulphurous Sea bore the brunt of Draedon's reckless waste disposal.
Even if we are generous and say that Plantera was created before the Mechanical Trio (they certainly weren't), I don't think it would be something Draedon could easily study.

[wanton pendant]

Blossom Flux does not say that Yharim ever sought it out, just that the people of Vernal Pass feared he would, and that if he were Plantera was supposed to intervene.

Additionally, if Draedon somehow could study Plantera, he would likely conclude that the use of souls are not a useful power supply due to them still possessing will.

There is no indication that the Twins are based on the Eye of Cthulhu in-universe.

[woeful karma]

buh

[woeful karma]

because i had alredy stayed up to like 4am working on it

i can add all the bestiary entries sometime

[wanton pendant]

You seem to imply that Draedon went straight to the Plague immediately after the Mechs, which given the multiple decades between these creations is unlikely, especially as it was to recreate the capabilities of living things including those who could not possibly have been around at the time.

Again, the Abyss was not used to contain Godly Essence, just Silva due to her not dying.

[agile matrix]

thats somwhat how ingame lore phrases it i wont lie

[west plume]

how can this be fixed

[agile matrix]

it goes arsenal mechs astral plague in terms of Draedon Being There because thats how the game shows it

which, yes, is a valid workflow, but puts too much focus on Terraria as a planet for Draedon in my eyes

since i dont know exactly how calamity plans to go i cant really give a Concrete idea

[young socket]

iirc mechs dont really have a defined time (at least not one im aware) and theres only one line of when the plague is made in relation to other events which is in draetalk

[agile matrix]

but roughly my best idea is to have a few more dates in there? thats hell on earth for a lore writer, "give us actual time periods and we're gonna actively count how long it took"

but it would provide more of a basis

[west plume]

thats scary

[agile matrix]

[agile matrix]

precisely sob

[young socket]

so its a combination of adding a place where the time of the mechs creation was discussed, along with giving the player an earlier place to view when the plague was developed

[agile matrix]

personally i am of the opinion that the plague should be around in preboss but i am also a lunatic so

[west plume]

i agree

[agile matrix]

on the lunatic part?

[west plume]

no

the part before that

[agile matrix]

oh wait what

[young socket]

i agree

the latter part i mean, not the former

[eager bluff]

i think the jungle has enough stuff pre hardmode as is

[west plume]

it's likely not something going to be implemented but i think it'd be neater if the plague was phm onward

[agile matrix]

okay phew someone had to be disdainful

[agile matrix]

yeah my main source is that draedon got his lab nuked apparently Before we show up, but in gameplay its post golem

[agile matrix]

yeah thats exactly why i said that lmao

[young socket]

i think the jungle has enough stuff _ _ as is

[wanton pendant]

While we don't know what point in the Crusade the Wall of Flesh was created, it was created before Draedon was tasked with reducing pollution. I also think it is unlikely Silva was thrown into the Abyss before it was made.

[west plume]

i sorta think we should stop giving the loreheads numbers and explanations a little except for the cosmology stuff so people don't assume that the sun is a little mana star that emits thermal radiation and primordial light particles or something

[agile matrix]

im either missing something or misunderstanding something bc the jungle for most of the game is kinda just

the same?

[eager bluff]

its already the most important singular biome in pre hardmode overall it doesnt need more

[agile matrix]

"aha! the sun experiences alpha decay!"

[wanton pendant]

Draedon counts as one of the Godseeker's closest allies. You make it sound like he either isn't one or was not allowed to see the Wall of Flesh.

[long bloom]

counterpoint: i would be sad

[agile matrix]

legally not anymore but in the past yeah

[agile matrix]

i second this counterpoint

i would not have an enjoyment of draedon if i didnt enjoy sciency stuff

[west plume]

im starting to be harassed a little over Dev Statements which are things that were just like already said in dev lore chat by the actual lorewriters and it's making me sad

[west plume]

this is fair

[wanton pendant]

Unless the Guide is FAR older than he looks, it is more likely that he is the apprentice of the person who was tasked to guide it initially and had to take over later, or that it was a job he only took upon himself after Azafure was destroyed.

[long bloom]

i'm working on un-devstatementing the lore doc

[west plume]

this headcanon was the one that confused me the most

i dont think anyone said the sun was tiny or like a normal mana star

or that deuses wouldn't be able to feed from normal stars despite mana being a normal aspect of the universe

[agile matrix]

i believe that came from working backwards

fallen stars have mana -> fallen stars are small -> the sun has mana -> the sun is small

[eager bluff]

or just

[wanton pendant]

I'm not sure what the justification of putting Agnus' death as being immediately after the Wall of Flesh, especially when you conclude that they didn't even get to test if it worked due to this.

[west plume]

why didn't anyone think the planet is tiny then

[long bloom]

the sun wasn't even made of mana before the cosmology discussions

[agile matrix]

oh was it not

[long bloom]

it was literally just a ball of primordial light

[west plume]

i don't know what 'ball of primordial light' is

aside from like mana

[long bloom]

me neither

[agile matrix]

idk thats apparently what the sun is

[long bloom]

but it wasn't mana bc it wasn't a star

[west plume]

you can't pick up and hold 'primordial light'

[wanton pendant]

Another instance of 'this is a title they gained later in life not their birth name', she of course was not given Calamitas as her legal name. I don't think her parents hated her that much.

[agile matrix]

the suns "a ball o' primordial light" -> xeroc controlls that -> what is it? uuhh mana -> xeroc controls mana??? -> no thats stupid

[eager bluff]

fallen stars are actual stars -> the sun is a star -> fallen stars are small -> the sun is small
i think is a lot of how people conclude that the sun should be small

[agile matrix]

like does that make sense

[wanton pendant]

You do seem to specify for her brothers though.

[agile matrix]

i personally just call primordial light "electrons"

[eager bluff]

and probably also solar fragments

[agile matrix]

like he just controls the sun, has its power, and can fire out light blasts i guess

more auraly he fires out mini suns which are Miniature Suns and those are really cool

[long bloom]

@west plume now that the sun is an actual star, would crags lava still rival it in temperature

wait

[west plume]

magma within the earth irl is hotter than the surface of the sun already

[long bloom]

how was that conclusion reached again

[agile matrix]

i find it funnier to think that fallen stars are like

[split mortar]

The mantis bestiary

[agile matrix]

really really really hot.

[long bloom]

interesting

[wanton pendant]

The fake Earth Elemental I think is pretty clearly made before Azafure was destroyed. This isn't something I think would be a reach.

[agile matrix]

meaning that pre-"pri.light stars are stars" and post-thus, the terrarian could just handle fallen stars

[young socket]

mantis shrimp

[wanton pendant]

Did not think you would segue from the destruction of Azafure into hiring DoG, but ok. I think there might be... you know... another thing that happened right after that...

[long bloom]

right bc irl mantis shrimps are cracked for no reason

[young socket]

their attacks are the temperature of crags lava, and irl its the surface of the sun

[young socket]

so crags lava = surface of sun

[agile matrix]

okay but these arent irl mantis shrimp

[long bloom]

how do you not instantly explode there

[young socket]

yes. realistically theyd be much fucking stronger since theyre like over double their size

[wanton pendant]

Strange to omit Yharim learning about Ceaseless Void, and Yharim couldn't have known about the Distortion before meeting DoG.
You also use vague pronouns that make it sound like either DoG forged his own armour or that Draedon is from another dimension.

[west plume]

everyone sorta assumed the entire universe was this

its fucked up

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

lmao

[young socket]

nice rendition of mars

[wanton pendant]

This is clearly Fabsol's vision.

[agile matrix]

this is peak fabsolfiction

[young socket]

so irrelevant its not even labelled

[long bloom]

where's moon (evil)

[agile matrix]

even at peak its like barely higher than prime calamity's base-of-mountain so like

[west plume]

hiding behind terraria

[agile matrix]

oh yeah where are the like

eight moons

[long bloom]

whar

[west plume]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN EIGHT MOONS

[long bloom]

sticker Explain

[eager bluff]

yeah there are like 8 different moon sprites

[long bloom]

they don't exist simultaneously 😭 😭 😭

[eager bluff]

not randomized by world randomized by day

[split mortar]

The moon can already do a goth aesthetic why is it having other aesthetics it likes to wear incomprehensible

[agile matrix]

this

theres like eight moons plus frost plus pumpkin

[split mortar]

^

[long bloom]

frost and pumpkin aren't real

[eager bluff]

simple

blood moon is just a red filter over a moon sprite that already exists

its not an entirely new thing its an old thing thats just red now

[split mortar]

Idk i think the moon putting on another set of clothes is fine

[agile matrix]

i mean when calamity was geocentric the amount of blood moons did make sense

[wanton pendant]

Ok, so for some reason you only bring up Ceaseless Void after recruiting, armouring and studying the Distortion.
Even if we assume that DoG supplied the portals to the Distortion for Draedon, I feel like it's unlikely it would only then be revealed.

[west plume]

i really like the headcanon that the moon keeps changing clothing because no one considers that terraria might also be changing wardrobe often

[agile matrix]

but since its heliocentric theres a lot of talismans that can just

move the earth

[long bloom]

earthmovers?

[split mortar]

Have you considered blood moons in calamity might not require the same stuff as irl
They happen randomly and sometimes like 5 days in a row idk if thats possible irl

[agile matrix]

i mean that is

[west plume]

this is gameplay

we r not implementing seasons

[split mortar]

Bloody tears just put the moon in the mood to wear goth clothing

[long bloom]

add terraria overhaul compatibility

[agile matrix]

please dont.

i hate overhaul (terraria)

pointless tedium the mod i hate it

[west plume]

when u miss the blood moon farming opportunity in calamity so now u have to wait until Februmay in 365 ingame days to get it again

[young socket]

syrup can you add global warming if you place down too many power cell factories

[agile matrix]

but yeah i hc terraria having like eight moons and they all move around really quickly

[wanton pendant]

Ok, let me get this straight, in between Azafure being destroyed and Calamitas finally reaching Yharim, you have;
DoG gets hired.
DoG gets armour.
Draedon studies the Distortion.
Yharim is shown Ceaseless Void.
Storm Weaver escapes the Distortion.
Multiple years pass.
Providence and Slime God are not killed.
Multiple years pass, again.
She must have had one hell of a commute.

[icy veldt]

Add an entire simulation of planetary weather that only has a directly-observable effect on the 2D slice of the Heartlands that can be interacted with in-game

[west plume]

left or right

[split mortar]

The moon wears clothes theory

[agile matrix]

uuuuh. right one

but instead of being a lot bigger its like

1.5x size

[wanton pendant]

Yharim does not mention touching Calamitas to feel the power emanating from her.
If he did I sure hope he took off the gloves first or mannequin theory becomes real.

[west plume]

none of u have ever considered that yharim may just wear cosmilite or something when he isn't fighting

[agile matrix]

this one is "the moon didnt hide its aura changers fast enoguh"

[west plume]

like what if he randomly bumps into a dude on the empire streets and that person gets instantly turned into tomato paste and splatters nearby civilians

thats p dangerous

better use some more ceremonial armor for town wandering

[agile matrix]

he wears goldplated auric

[icy veldt]

A T-shirt that says "I think, therefore I am a heretic" and sweatpants

[agile matrix]

so if someone stabs him they get zeused

[long bloom]

what if he gets jumped by the calamity ninjas (braelor and statis)

[agile matrix]

goldplated auric

[young socket]

i think that person shouldve known where they were going and shouldnt have bumped into their magnificent leader

[west plume]

wearing auric 24/7 just in case he gets attacked by ninjas in the middle of his empire

[long bloom]

yeah you get it

[eager bluff]

oh thats simple

he never takes his auric armor off he wears it like an undershirt

[split mortar]

Yharim just equips loadout 1

[west plume]

ohhh. like superman

[eager bluff]

exactly

[west plume]

whenever he goes into battle he just rips off his oversized tee

[eager bluff]

superman but piss colored and racist

[long bloom]

✅

[wanton pendant]

Putting aside the Bestiary entry that I hate, it's unlikely that Calamitas was an official on the books soldier, since Permafrost would have very much put a stop to that, and she was a minor.
I don't know what Yharim's child labour laws were, to be fair.

[young socket]

probably not good

[west plume]

i'm really unsure if the empire had child labour laws

hasn't been discussed in dev at all

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas viewed Permafrost as a fatherly figure, nothing indicating she saw Yharim the same way.
She would have certainly looked up to him at the time, however.

You omit the fact that Statis had a hand in the creation of Polterghast.

[west plume]

i would like fully believe it if you could send your child to farm grains while you go on military campaigns tho

that sounds like something yharim would allow

[split mortar]

Could i juice polterghast like a lemon to get raw ghost drink

[long bloom]

☹️

[west plume]

not advisable

[split mortar]

What

[split mortar]

So it is possible

[wanton pendant]

We do not have a timeframe for the destruction of Ilmeris.

[gaunt harness]

Mod should add this food item.

[wanton pendant]

And the desert biome was there before the destruction of Azafure and was even the home of a prior civilization, which I believe is mentioned in the Bestiary.

[west plume]

ectoplasm is ghost meat so you probably could squeeze any old ghost for juice if you want

[split mortar]

Really should not

[wanton pendant]

And again, who on Earth told you it was an ocean connecting continents, that was never a thing.

[west plume]

polterghast is probably a little difficult because if you rip a piece off it'll be writhing in torment though

just gotta squeeze em extra hard

[wanton pendant]

I don't know what your source is for Permafrost having told and convincing Calamitas to join him in defection BEFORE she got tasked with killing him comes from. It is not something I have heard before.

[gaunt harness]

Just like pirates extracting the souls of SpongeBob and Patrick Star.

I should save a GIF.

[wanton pendant]

"The spellwork present in this living seal is inspired, and a tragic homage to every lesson Permafrost taught his student."
It does not say the spell was inspired by Permafrost, just that it was inspired, which is a term used to mean something along the lines of being genius or exceptional.

As I did say earlier, it's the Ilmeran Sea.

Nothing says that Sea Prisms were created due to the fight between Calamitas and Otonilou.

[west plume]

i sort of wonder why sea prisms don't electrify the nearby water

they sort of seem like an inherent hazard to be around especially in brackish water for fish

maybe it's like auric ore where it discerns where to actually send current through

[wanton pendant]

Maybe the outside is some kind of natural insulant.

[west plume]

a poor crab miner accidentally hits a sea prism with a pickaxe and makes it so that infinite current pours into the water and instantly kills everything within 20 feet and no one can turn it off

[wanton pendant]

I mean it is a weak current so it just makes it so the nearby water is slightly heart attack prone forever.

[west plume]

kills everyone with a sea pacemaker

[heavy sail]

so yharim totally has a massive throne to sit upon imposingly, right? with yharon at his side next to it. and when perma was around, probably him on the other side

[west plume]

my headcanon is that yharon has a bunch of little sanctuary palaces and whenever yharim and yharon are resting nearby he just takes a seat whereever yharon is curled up

[long bloom]

peak

[heavy sail]

awww

[west plume]

i don't really think yharim would like the king aesthetic and he doesn't really want yharon to feel separate or subordinate to him

[wanton pendant]

Back to scathing criticsim;
You neglect to mention Yharim's distaste for slavery as being a contributing factor, and instead fall into the trap of making it seem like he just really likes bees.

[gaunt harness]

Auric Toilet, but it seems you can't sit on it.

[west plume]

Next update

[long bloom]

🔥

[wanton pendant]

You make it sound like Yharim specifically requested Draedon clone Calamitas, when the request was to replicate her power.
Draedon simply chose cloning as the avenue for doing so.

[long bloom]

hog wild tomorrow

[split mortar]

These hogs are wild

[heavy sail]

fair enough. the reason i mentioned it was because his whisper about calamitas, to me at least, evokes the mental image of her bowing down before him in a throne room

[agile matrix]

this is a funny panel

[gaunt harness]

This is the greatest update, bar none.

[wanton pendant]

"Status."
We do not know the setting of the fight between Braelor and Statis, despite having brought up Onyx Kinsmen and Braelor multiple times this is the first time you mention Statis.

You also seem to consider that Yharim and Braelor's fight was an actual honour bound duel when there's not much to prove that.
Yharim saying that they dueled could easily mean they just fought normally.

[long bloom]

will hog wild change anything about the lore other than removing signus's title

[west plume]

prob not

if you want any more lore changes just ping me about them

[split mortar]

Bestiary entries for the hogs

[west plume]

oh yeah

piggy lore

[wanton pendant]

"escaping his banishment unscathed."

I think it's safe to say Braelor's whereabouts are in the Distortion at least.

[long bloom]

i was wondering bc i was thinking about releasing the new lore doc with the update

[gaunt harness]

If it's removed, then what is it called? That's an old name.

[west plume]

Signus

[long bloom]

"Signus"

[split mortar]

Signus

A new title for it has not been thought up yet if it will even get one

[heavy sail]

actually, i'm curious, will any story stuff get elaborated on or clarified? like, will there be any new dialogue, or dialogue rewrites?

[wanton pendant]

"Yharon's relationship with Yharim was largely a secret throughout the Crusade as well."
Ok, I don't think gay marriage was outlawed if that's what you're saying?

[west plume]

also prob not

archon is taking a break so no one is on dialogue duty right now

[heavy sail]

ah, bummer. that's okay though

ah

[wanton pendant]

Exo Mechs were not finished at that time, they are developed after Yharim gets his upgrade, even up to the point that the game begins.

Yharim's final meeting with Draedon was within a year of the game starting, not multiple.

[long bloom]

dear god how much misinformation is in that video

[wanton pendant]

1886-1875 does not equal 9.

[young socket]

this makes no sense yharon was quite literally a public figure

😭

[wanton pendant]

Ok, I finally hit present day.

[young socket]

its literally in the yharon lore item

[wanton pendant]

Ok, I'm going to say this once and only once.
Terrarian.
Is.
YOU!

[west plume]

The Terrarian isn't you. I decide who your Terrarian is. I think they're a loser

Fuck you

[wanton pendant]

Boss summons are a majority of the time not canon.
So, for instance, using a medallion in the desert is not the reason a giant lizard tries to eat you.

Ok, look, I cannot actually contest if Giant Clam being able to teleport is canon, so, uh, Giant Clam upscale.

[split mortar]

When i pull out the head sized eye made of only lenses somehow and then an eye thte size of a building comes to beat my ass

[wanton pendant]

AMADEUS!?

[split mortar]

What

[wanton pendant]

That's how they pronounced Amidias.

[long bloom]

😭

[wanton pendant]

You imply that the gods created the Evil1, Evil2 and Eye of Cthulhu when they are literally made of gods.

Crabulon just straight up is dead. The mushrooms are just using the shell as a mech.

I'm fairly certain there isn't any connection between Silva and Skeletron and that's just the game's way of telling you that the Abyss has opened up but sure.

[west plume]

i opened vk for a bit and saw a calamitas smoking a brimstone dart so i wanted to show you guys

[long bloom]

canon

[young socket]

calamity characters smoking a blunt

[wanton pendant]

Boss summon's aren't canon count number 2.

[young socket]

oh ok :(

[west plume]

you're okay

[wanton pendant]

I take it back that was a good joke.

[west plume]

your terrarian is cool

[long bloom]

no her terrarian is a stupid chud

[wanton pendant]

The Hallow is not made of one god.
I think that should probably be obvious based on the fact that it's just as big as the other infection that gets unleashed.

Oh now we bring up boss summons not being canon.

Cryogen probably is one of the ones that aren't an ambush. I wouldn't be suprised if the idea is that you just happen upon it.

[pulsar ocean]

every boss fight should summon naturally like eoc and you can’t trigger them in any way

[wanton pendant]

Also Aquatic Scourge explicitly isn't an ambush.

[long bloom]

[west plume]

randomly getting assaulted by ravager at the very start of hardmode

[wanton pendant]

And what do you mean by 'third dormancy', since you don't meant us defeating it.

[limpid saddle]

beautiful

[light linden]

I mean it is

just we ambush it

[limpid saddle]

it isn't even a shitpost piece its just genuinely good

[wanton pendant]

You probably should also note that the mechs and those three bosses are all on the same tier.
And the Brimstone Elemental can't be fought before fighting a Mech in gameplay, but you have all the side bosses done before the Mechs.

Another instance of yes technically she is inside a metal construct but that's only because the sprite is outdated and it has no origin or explanation.

I don't know why you think Braelor would instantly murder the player on sight but ok.

[heavy sail]

bait used to be believable

[split mortar]

?

[wanton pendant]

Ah, yes, the unknown connection between Plantera and the Lihzahrd. If only there were any goddesses that could bridge such a gap.

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[wanton pendant]

Actually Aureus might be one of the ones that we do in fact summon.

[pulsar ocean]

-Y

[wanton pendant]

As Astrum Aureus is an optional boss, it's safe to assume that when Draedon says he learned this by watching our trials he's not exclusively referring to that specific boss fight.

Maybe you had to fight her at night, but that could just be a skill issue on your part.

I mean all the plans for Ravager I've seen also make that one more of a thing you run into rather than something that actively ambushes you out and about.

Astrum Deus is actually post-Lunatic Cultist in progression.

The Profaned Core does not disable Providence's ability to run away.
It just makes her not want to.

[cedar path]

who are you typing all of this for?

[wanton pendant]

The guy who made the timeline video.

Anyways, Providence fights us for revenge for killing her Guardians, not just because we killed the Moon Lord and are now in the way.

[split mortar]

Someone made a cal lore video who talks in this chat and wwg is commenting on the vid

[wanton pendant]

Uelibloom Ore will be removed.

It's also not even profaned metal.
It's tree bark.

Dragonfolly is also on the same tier as Profaned Guardians, not post-Providence.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HE HAS NO SERVANTS!

Seriously how did you miss that in research bro.

'His true form'.
He put on clothes.

[cedar path]

ok having done some backreading maybe we can be nicer and less sarcastic?

people are intimidated out of talking in this channel because of things like that

[vivid cloud]

Actually?

[cedar path]

from what I've seen, yes

and we want people to care about the lore

[vivid cloud]

I mean, it's happened to me a bit. But I guess I just got used to it or whatever.

[cedar path]

maybe make an effort to be more welcoming, and when people come with questions, don't make them feel like they should already know everything in the lore doc just to participate in the conversation

[vivid cloud]

Ye.

[wanton pendant]

It's more likely the other way round, that conclusion on the song.

That's not up to interpretation, Yharim literally says that.

[keen shore]

hey guys, I need help with a mini-lore thing for my world and I wish for assistance in naming

[wanton pendant]

I'd hope he would be an adult, since he'd be 106 in his current incarnation.

Dreadon is not a companion of the Godseeker at this point, I think you meant 'former' since I feel you're implying Calamitas is the other one.

I mean TECHNICALLY they're not made of the fragments but sure.

[vivid cloud]

I can't promise I'll be any help, but sure.

[keen shore]

I'm currently playing as W-4R "Odin", a machine built by Draedon that is meant to mimic the terrarian, in terms of capability, both in combat, and in rebuilding the world(In my world's "lore", the Terrarian has already ascended to challenge Yharim, leaving the world to rot and decay without them). W-4R "Odin"s purpose is to go on a similar journey, and hopefully acquire the same strength that the Terrarian has. But I'm having trouble figuring out what the W and R should mean while still laying out the purpose well

[cedar path]

Well you might wanna switch out the W for an X for exotech

[magic epoch]

Thatonly applies for the exo mechs

[keen shore]

the best I can come up with is "Wrath" and "Reconstruction" but that feels a little... simple? Idk if I'm over thinking it.

[magic epoch]

The normal mechs don't use X for their draedon names, for instance

[cedar path]

right, and maybe for other things made with exotech with I imagine Draedon would use for something like that

[keen shore]

well Odin technically IS an exo, but basically only in battery. it's pretty much just infinite battery life and the respawning/rebuilding thing.

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas' boss dialogue is outdated.
I think Draedon's isn't or at the very least holds up.

[cedar path]

if it is exo then yeah, I think it should be an X not a W

[magic epoch]

Agree

[split mortar]

The x in the exo mechs designations stand for exo due ti being made of exo technology and exo alloy
The hallowed mechs have H for hallowed
So it seems that naming scheme has some material component of the machine for the first letter

[cedar path]

exactly

[keen shore]

I'm on the fence

[wanton pendant]

Since her dialogue is that outdated, I think you should just say that it's outdated rather than trying to factor it.

[keen shore]

mostly because what Odin was, is basically slapping an exo battery on a wulfrum bot at the start. the whole idea is that Odin got stronger on his own. not full exo, just not running out of power

[vivid cloud]

If this is Draedon we're speaking of, most likely he would stick to cold hard fact other than symbolism.

[cedar path]

and for the regular mechs, the second letter is the soul type

[magic epoch]

that's also true with exo mechs

[cedar path]

I thought so but wasn't sure

[vivid cloud]

Oh, such as Fright for Skeletron Prime (not his actual name).