lore-discussion

[stoic lark]

i'm saving this gif for any time someone says one piece ever again

[bleak hare]

Who the hell is archon

[split mortar]

The system name for a writer

[bleak hare]

Oh ok

[split mortar]

Or writers? Idk

[bleak hare]

Hey so regarding the calamity full fan game that’s apparently being developed

Is that a completely seperate dev team

[split mortar]

Not completely seperate but they are pretty seperate iirc

[stoic lark]

reign of yharim is entirely unaffiliated, yea
it's an unofficial fangame

[bleak hare]

Are there any shared members between mid and game

[split mortar]

Tofu the cal artist is also a artist for roy iirc

[stoic lark]

i actually don';t remember if there's any overlap, haven't checked in there for a while

[bleak hare]

Reign of yharim is such a badass name

[split mortar]

@raven brook

[bleak hare]

Is there any expected release date for it

Also what style of game is it

[split mortar]

Metroidvania

[split mortar]

Do not think so atm, p sure its still incredibly early in development

[stoic lark]

oh she's youtuber now

[bleak hare]

Don’t know what that is but I’m assuming dead cells minus some of the rogue like aspects

[split mortar]

Games like metroid, castlevania, hollowknight and silksong

[bleak hare]

Oh ok gotcha

[plucky lichen]

Cheese awesome

My goat

Jane roy

[magic epoch]

joy roy

[split mortar]

Theres a discord in #other-discords message

For roy

[bleak hare]

Also random question if someone were to make a fan made xeroc fight for example and it’s like incredible and it’s everything that the cal devs would want is there any chance they would add it to base cal whenever they were to add Xeroc themselves

[magic epoch]

no

[west plume]

no

[magic epoch]

nameless deity was originally xeroc

[bleak hare]

Old lore xeroc

[magic epoch]

and it was asked to be renamed because that wasn't xeroc actually and it misled people into thinking it was

[bleak hare]

So not even the same as the current one

[magic epoch]

it used to be named xeroc

and there's still plenty of people who still think nameless deity is xeroc

[bleak hare]

Wait hold on so I am aware that it was originally xeroc but now it’s so far fetched from even old lore xeroc they really don’t have any similarities aside from primordial light

[wanton pendant]

Old lore Xeroc didn't have Primordial Light.

Because it wasn't a thing.

[bleak hare]

I mean current xeroc with PL

[magic epoch]

nameless deity now is almost entirely its own thing now

[bleak hare]

Yeah

This gonna sound strange but are there like any other Eldrich gods from the old lore like old xeroc snd old noxus

Or was it just those two

Yo so I’ve developed this like theory about the infections and primordial light I think it’s pretty cool and I don’t think it contradicts anything that currently exists

So the infections are born from destabilised mana from the essences of gods and bloated stars

And primordial light is like the opposite from combining mana with sunlight to stabilise it what y’all think

Also makes primordial light feel kinda holy and the infections unholy

Adlays did I cook

[vivid cloud]

What do you mean by "eldritch"?

[bleak hare]

Like really powerful ig

Like GODs not gods

[stark flame]

What's the real-life height of a single in-game tile?

[bleak hare]

The player is 5’6 I think but idk a time

[wanton pendant]

Like two feet.

[bleak hare]

Tile

Sounds about right from water

[wanton pendant]

Of course the ingame world is not accurate to its narrative size.

[bleak hare]

Yh the continent we play on would be like way way larger right

[vivid cloud]

Oh. That's not what eldritch means.
Anyway, I'm not sure of any other ancient figures.
Noxus isn't really a god. I think Xeroc is, though.

[bleak hare]

Yh idk what I though eldrich meant

Was just thinking for like future WotG bosses

[wanton pendant]

Like, of course, it's a whole continent. Ingame it's the size of a small island.

[bleak hare]

Even tho it’s going independent

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is literally the first god.

[bleak hare]

We talking old lore

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[bleak hare]

In old Hes God not a god

[wanton pendant]

Old lore Xeroc and Noxus were basically Megazord apparently.

[bleak hare]

The fuh is a megazord

[vivid cloud]

They were that close?

[vivid cloud]

Dude. Power Rangers.

[wanton pendant]

When the Power Rangers combine their mechs.

[bleak hare]

So like they can combine into one being?

[wanton pendant]

They were the result of that.

Like, there was a whole dark and light god war thing.

[bleak hare]

Who watches power rangers yochacho✌️

[wanton pendant]

It existed entirely just to explain Providence (she's neither I think).

[bleak hare]

What created them all

Apparently the community wiki says it’s goozma or some bs

[wanton pendant]

Do you think the old lore ever thought that far?

[bleak hare]

U right

[vivid cloud]

How does Providence fit into this?

[bleak hare]

Also I don’t think it was light and dark gods that created old providence I think it was just demblns and angels

Demons

[wanton pendant]

She was both/neither and decided it was better to just kill everyone.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, makes sense.
It was vengeance, right?

[wanton pendant]

Basically, it didn't make much sense and had little justification or elaboration.

[bleak hare]

If there’s a difference lmao ik nothing

[wanton pendant]

Nope!

Old lore Providence just did that.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, that's the old lore.

[bleak hare]

No it wasn’t vengeance she just had no sense of good or evil so reduced everything to ash to prevent it all from being as such

[wanton pendant]

That's what we've been talking about the whole time.

[mighty zenith]

she saw angels and demons fighting millenia before the game happens and decided that everything needs to go

and thats it

she was then just sitting in the sun getting stronger

and nothing else brings up that plot point

[vivid cloud]

How old is this lore?

[mighty zenith]

it existed purely to give providence something

[wanton pendant]

More than three years old.

[bleak hare]

All I know of the old lore is photons videos lmao

And some statements

[mighty zenith]

"old lore" in general is a bit incorrect of a term

since its not one clear story written around the same time

different parts of it were written and rewritten over the years

[bleak hare]

Who was the old lore even written by that shit was kinda garbage in comparison to the current one

[mighty zenith]

several people wrote it

[bleak hare]

In the sense nothing felt connected ig

[mighty zenith]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

They probably had to play the hand they were dealt with.

[bleak hare]

Idk it sorta just felt like stuff was happening around u

[mighty zenith]

that was its main issue and one of the main reasons why the From The Ashes rewrite happened

[bleak hare]

Or it was hard to understand

Yh

[wanton pendant]

Characters often just didn't have character motivations.

They literally just did stuff for no apparent reason.

[bleak hare]

The only concepts I like from it are the main characters losing their families to add personal depth but still their motivations are bad

Or something else

[vivid cloud]

That kind of storyline gets old.

[bleak hare]

Yh u right

[vivid cloud]

It weirded me out that Providence had a family to begin with, but that's just me.

[bleak hare]

Not with everyone tho mainly just yharim

[vivid cloud]

The new lore, anyway.

[bleak hare]

Yh

I find it weird how slime god and providence used to be people

But I have a theory that the greater a souls power the more it loses its sense of self which aligns with the gods being totally consumed by their power

[wanton pendant]

How the appearance of a god works is based on how consumed by the power they are.

[west plume]

?

[wanton pendant]

Providence and especially Slime God are extreme examples.

[bleak hare]

Yeah

[west plume]

no, providence just thought herself completely disconnected from humanity at the time of ascension

she is a monster and she thought of herself as a monster

[wanton pendant]

It's more likely a consequence of the domain rather than the strength of the soul.

[vivid cloud]

In the lore, right?

[west plume]

why wouldnt providence have a family

[bleak hare]

The other gods I would still not doubt tho

[vivid cloud]

I never thought of it like that, I guess.

[stark flame]

Is there a minimum amount of in-universe time for a player to defeat the Calamity — for example, does it take at least several months?

[wanton pendant]

As fast as you can beat the game.

[west plume]

probably some time

[bleak hare]

Idk exactly what that means but I think I’m trying to convey both

[real glen]

Terrarian is you

[stark flame]

[west plume]

at one point providence used to be a child with loving parents. i want you guys to reflect on this

[vivid cloud]

How did she become a goddess?

[wanton pendant]

If we want to be totally realistic for a 'narratively fitting' timespan I'd put it at around a year for the total events.
But, like, functionally the minimum is however fast your speedrun is and the maximum is less than ten years because then Yharim dies of old age.

[wanton pendant]

Killed Zaelithar, Dragon of Flame.

[west plume]

killing the flame dragon and then ripping out his soul and ascending with it

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[bleak hare]

So providence gets a family but yharim and calamitas don’t

[leaden bridge]

Wait for Yharim to die strat

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas' family literally show up in the boss fight.

And as an NPC.

[west plume]

calamitas had a family

[bleak hare]

Her parents and her tribe i more so mean from the old lore

[west plume]

yharim didn't really have a choice in the matter

[wanton pendant]

Oh, in the old lore they died frame one, then Yharim sent her the Jungle Job Application.

[vivid cloud]

😭

That's how it happened?

[wanton pendant]

Back in the day, everything was Jungle. What did they have to do with jungles? Who knows.

[wanton pendant]

Technically he brain blasted her with a job offer.

[west plume]

i don't think dadrim would have fixed yharim though like at all

[vivid cloud]

Oh, force.

[wanton pendant]

No, telepathy.

[bleak hare]

I don’t exactly think it would be bad if calamitas was found by the godseekers following her clans (and their opps) annihilation and that’s how they find her

She still has her connection to azafure

Don’t worry

[wanton pendant]

Godseekers and Azafure weren't even a thing in the old lore.

[bleak hare]

Her parents can be from there

[west plume]

Hey son, I want you to stop killing gods. I think this is making you a worse person- (gets stabbed) (gets auric rejected) (gets stabbed)

[bleak hare]

In a version that combines both sorts like my own version ig

In terms of cals story

[vivid cloud]

Was Yharim's dad ever showing up apart from that?

[west plume]

i don't think yharim has ever even seen his dad

but that's kinda what would have happened if his dad was in his life

[wanton pendant]

"Hey sport, I'm back with the mil- SWEET SILVA WHAT THE HELL IS THIS!?"
"A smoothie?"

[vivid cloud]

Oh, yeah.
Was Yharim ever a normal guy at one point?

[west plume]

yeah

yharim before the start of the crusade was a relatively normal 20-30 year old man who was being groomed to potentially take up an ambiguous future position of prestige by dogma, war and the other members of the deific council

then he refused to ascend when given the chance and was thrown out so they could find another candidate

then he got ripped as fuck

[vivid cloud]

By killing gods?

[wanton pendant]

He did that so he could kill gods.

[west plume]

no, via training and attuning with yharon to get op auric armor

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim used an all items world. Ban him.

[vivid cloud]

😂

[west plume]

he had a name that was different than Yharim before he was thrown out but it was given to him by the deific council so he went FUCK THAT This dragon is my actual hero and took Yharon's name

that's how much he hates gods

[vivid cloud]

When did he start hating gods?

[west plume]

around a century ago as of gameplay

[bleak hare]

And if we wanna keep yharims family we can make them the rulers of the jungle kingdom and yharims father was the jungle tyrant and when yharim was 12 or sum like that he got brought into a war with his dad and he got captured and forced into slavery for like 4 years and then they took over where he was being enslaved he gets returned and while the gods visit them shortly after xeroc (or someone else) feels a connection between yharim and the newly acquired egg if yharon so they force him to be the god of rebirth after like 4 more years of preparation or whatever but when he refuses he gets tossed into lava with yhsron but the kingdom also gets annihilated by the gods and his family die where upon seeing them crucified he swears the oath that all gods will die

[bleak hare]

Don’t bully me I spent a lot of time on that

[west plume]

i think if you want to make a good story about yharim you'd have to make him a fascist accelerationist who starts from relatively meager lower class roots and gets an ounce of power and abuses it

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[bleak hare]

The fuh is an accelerationist

[wanton pendant]

If you make him start as a despot it kinda clashes with him being a fascist.

[west plume]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

yharim being a despot makes no sense if he starts out with a wealth of power; people would recognize him and his family as a yoke and overthrow them before anything significant happened

[bleak hare]

I’m tryna make it seem like yharims reasoning for hunting the gods is okay but his continued genocide of them is what drives him too far

[wanton pendant]

He has one already.
The slavery part.

[west plume]

i dont think you can make any generally okay reason for hunting gods aside from the deific council and their usage of indentured servants

[bleak hare]

I would respectfully rather be enslaved than have my family slaughtered

[wanton pendant]

Bad news, if your family isn't enslaved too, they'd probably be killed or never see you again.

[west plume]

have your family be enslaved and then be brutally murdered or have your family be brutally murdered immediately

a great set of choices!

[bleak hare]

Xeroc more or less killed zeratros, as did the gods with all of their dragons (only foreseeable exception is ontoilou who might have eased the dragon given her less malevolent nature but who knows)

[west plume]

xeroc didn't kill zeratros

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord did all the work.

[bleak hare]

Yeah he finished the job tho right

[vivid cloud]

Then Otonilou was offed by Calamitas.

I'm pretty sure.

[wanton pendant]

A few centuries later, yes.

[west plume]

would you rather zeratros have suffered and then had his soul stolen by a hostile invader?

[wanton pendant]

And it's Otonilou.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, I'll fix that.

[west plume]

xeroc is a traitor not because he mercy killed zeratros but because he absorbed his auric soul and took the power of the dragons

[wanton pendant]

Zeratros also had the sun set to flame grilled.

[bleak hare]

What does that mean I’m saying he was in a state where he could have had his soul absorbed

[west plume]

yharon's viewpoint is that zeratros' corpse could have potentially been recovered and reincarnated if xeroc didn't ascend using his soul

[bleak hare]

And having his soul absorbed would have killed him

[vivid cloud]

What was his reason for that?

[bleak hare]

Makes sense

[bleak hare]

What does that mean like he was intensifying the sun or what

[vivid cloud]

You think that maybe Yharon hates gods, too?

[wanton pendant]

Because dragons are racist. Dragon solar panel power.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[wanton pendant]

You think?

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, never mind😂

They got good reasons.

[bleak hare]

I feel like too much of yharims betrayal of the gods comes from his flat out hatred of them

He feels a bit too much of a victim

Not that we can’t have that

I just don’t think it should be his main cause

Humbly

[wanton pendant]

Yharim got revenge for being a victim a very long time ago.
It would be like you were enslaved, so you decided to kill the entire race of the people who enslaved you, regardless of affiliation or endorsement of slavery.

And also anyone who associates with them.

You could have the God of Emancipation and Yharim would want him dead.

[vivid cloud]

Good analogy, actually.

[bleak hare]

Did he kill all of the gods followers as well

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[bleak hare]

Huh

[wanton pendant]

Skeletron Prime was built to target churches.

[vivid cloud]

For sure.

[bleak hare]

Ok yeah no he’s the bad guy

[vivid cloud]

Just making sure, this is still old lore right?

[bleak hare]

We can make him the bad guy still with my shit thorough I reckon

[bleak hare]

No what🥀

I meant to respond to

I don’t even know how to possibly spell that

[wanton pendant]

No.

We haven't been talking about the old lore for a while.

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[wanton pendant]

But you still have the conflict of Yharim being a fascist as you make him a despot.

[vivid cloud]

Then I have a question about Skeletron Prime.
Because didn't Draedon inject souls into at least one of his mechs?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Skeletron Prime, the Twins and the Destroyer.

[bleak hare]

He was enslaved as well as his dad being an asshole I feel like that might slightly drive him away from it initially but if you have read animal farm he basically becomes the pigs

I figure

[wanton pendant]

That's a bit of a different thing.

[vivid cloud]

Yharim's dad shows up?

[bleak hare]

In my version

[wanton pendant]

It would be Animal Fram if Yharim held a slave revolt, established a republic and basically turned it into the Mamluk Sultanate.

[bleak hare]

He’s the actual jungle tyrant

Mamluk what does that mean

[wanton pendant]

The Mamluk Sultanate was a period where, if I remember correctly, the military slave class overthrew Egypt and began ruling it.

[bleak hare]

Ok yeah minus the revolt part though

Actually we’ll he is kind of overthrowing the god so

Gods

[vivid cloud]

Mamluk Empire.
Ruled Egypt for some time.

[wanton pendant]

Mamluk basically means slave.

[vivid cloud]

Made of a group of military soldiers called Mamluks.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, ok.

[wanton pendant]

Specifically slave soldiers, to be fair.

[bleak hare]

Oh ok so no slaves

[wanton pendant]

So it basically means the Kingdom of Freed Slaves if you wanted it localized.

Ironically, at the time, it was known as the State of Turkey.

[bleak hare]

I know how strange this might sound but I’m sort of picturing my story to like make it sense from someone that is like watching it as a show so I’m sort of tryna make it easier to understand ig

Also more cinematic idk

[wanton pendant]

I think it's best to just let the Jungle Tyrant thing go. He barely had anything to do with the jungle back in the day anyway.

[bleak hare]

Jungle thing can get lost id actually gaf bout the jungle it can be any kingdom

Jungle actually does kinda make sense the it has like tons of biodiversity and hence potential trade so it could make them quite a successful kingdom

And also yharim is 9’0 that ain’t normal genetics

[wanton pendant]

The main issue with making Yharim royalty is that it makes him a despot and not a fascist, which are different things.

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[vivid cloud]

We could maybe make him imperialist?

[wanton pendant]

Still a different thing.

Fascists do tend to be imperialist.

[bleak hare]

Gimmie a sec I needa look this up

[vivid cloud]

Maybe just facism, then.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, wait never mind.

[bleak hare]

If we are talking about fascisim in regards to his own people he doesn’t have any reason to rule over them with excess force

[wanton pendant]

And I would argue that imperialist is a stretch for Yharim since the empire was a means to an end, killing the gods, and he was fine with it crumbling in the aftermath. If his main goal was expanding the empire then I would call him imperialist through and through though.

[wanton pendant]

To keep them in line.

He conquered most of the world in a year they're not going to be all pleased.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[bleak hare]

How does yharim form the empire to begin with

We aren’t really given an explanation are we

[heavy zenith]

Nah

[bleak hare]

Oh hey zat

[heavy zenith]

👉👉

[bleak hare]

When’s the new vid coming out

[heavy zenith]

Funny thing

[bleak hare]

Or whatever the new timeline ig

[bleak hare]

Id even gaf if it’s long you can just make a corrections vid

[wanton pendant]

Please tell me you're not going to call Yharim a reliable narrator again.

[heavy zenith]

Ik everyone disliked that, I removed that part this time lmao

[bleak hare]

I don’t even remember you saying that

[heavy zenith]

I even thanked this discord channel for answering my endless slew of question

[heavy zenith]

Intro

[bleak hare]

we NEED elementals lore gng they do NOT come from nothing

[vivid cloud]

We kinda got it.

[bleak hare]

What is it

I have not been made aware of ts

[wanton pendant]

They're the embodiments of heat, water, air, earth and nature.

[vivid cloud]

It's in the Google doc.

[bleak hare]

So they come from nothing

I mean origins kinda

[vivid cloud]

Didn't the Cloud Elemental branch off from a larger Cloud Elemental or something like that?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, Elementals are hive minds.

[bleak hare]

I mean like who or what lead to their creation

[vivid cloud]

Brimstone Elemental, my friend.
You know she has lore.

[wanton pendant]

Cloud Elementals are just pieces of the Air Elemental.

[wanton pendant]

Probably just a thing that happens.
Certainly weren't created by someone.

[heavy zenith]

Ice Elementals are pieces of Anahita iirc

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[vivid cloud]

And the Sand Elemental was part of the real Earth Elemental?

[wanton pendant]

Same with Granite.

[bleak hare]

Unless they have been around since the beginning of the universe

[heavy zenith]

Soon, the Callore fanbase will dominate the world, slowly but surely

[vivid cloud]

The Granite Elemental?
I don't know if I'm familiar with that.

[wanton pendant]

It's literally from Vanilla.

[wanton pendant]

They're tied to Terraria it seems.

[heavy zenith]

Smol floaty boi

[wanton pendant]

So probably not that old.

[bleak hare]

Which I feel makes them feel kind of to much like the primordials from thorium

[bleak hare]

Like the world soul sure why not

[wanton pendant]

Primordials don't have lore.

[bleak hare]

Yeah makes sense

[wanton pendant]

Thorium doesn't have lore.

[heavy zenith]

At least eons, since the Abyss wasnt closed with Eons of tectonics

[vivid cloud]

How?
There are no elements at the universe's beginning.

[bleak hare]

I’m with IEoR

But primordials is in the name gng

[bleak hare]

Shit u right

Just have them be from world soul

[wanton pendant]

Never heard of that making up its own lore.

[wanton pendant]

They couldn't be.

[bleak hare]

Yes they could vro why not

[vivid cloud]

Aw, come on.

[wanton pendant]

They could not.

[bleak hare]

Why

[wanton pendant]

Otherwise they'd have domains.

They'd then have to have sigils.

And Calamitas would probably technically be a goddess then.

[bleak hare]

There’s a difference between auric souls and extensions of the world souls power

[wanton pendant]

Auric Souls are made of the World Soul.

[bleak hare]

Like how there’s a difference between soul bonding and soul consumption (bad example)

[wanton pendant]

Yes but you're saying there would be a difference between being a shard of the World Soul and being a shard of the World Soul.

[heavy zenith]

[wanton pendant]

And also Elementals have their own souls and independent will.

Since Silva could become a goddess, we know that.

[bleak hare]

Litterally no gng

Maybe I put it badly

[vivid cloud]

Wait, did you say they were a hive mind before?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[bleak hare]

YOU CAN MAKE THE HIVE MIND THE WORLD SOUL

[wanton pendant]

Then ALL the Elementals would be part of the same hive mind.

Along with the Auric Dragons and the gods.

[heavy zenith]

Certified Distortion moment

[bleak hare]

Ok hold on no

[bleak hare]

Well very distantly yeah

[wanton pendant]

And they're not.

[vivid cloud]

So how would they have independent will?

[wanton pendant]

They each have their own soul.

[wanton pendant]

The Elementals are each beings split into different parts.

Except, Silva I believe.

[bleak hare]

This ain’t confined tho are they

[wanton pendant]

We know this.

Because ONLY one of them is a goddess.

[bleak hare]

Confirmed

[wanton pendant]

If all the Elementals had the same soul, they'd ALL be the Goddess of Life.

[bleak hare]

What yes I know that obviously only Silva is an actual goddess

[wanton pendant]

But ONLY Silva is.

[bleak hare]

Hold on let me get my shit off damn😭

[heavy zenith]

Still think they should just leave Silva as a non-elemental

[wanton pendant]

If they retcon that they would have to change a lot.

[bleak hare]

Actually agree with this

[wanton pendant]

Since she was never not one.

[bleak hare]

Because think about it all the elementals are actual elementals

“Life” is not a traditional element

[wanton pendant]

She's Nature.

Which both life and nature are used as elements in a wide array of media.

[heavy zenith]

You already have the four elements, you dont need nature too. But idk i dont even want to begin to think about what needs to change

[bleak hare]

Yeah but like what does that mean bro

[wanton pendant]

What do you mean what does that mean!?

[bleak hare]

Nature doesn’t mean anything

Just anything that’s natural

Which still doesn’t mean anything

Or is very confusing

[heavy zenith]

Animal and plant cell

[bleak hare]

Which is itself made of other stuff

[wanton pendant]

To make Silva an Elemental, you'd need to change:
How Azafure got the resources to be founded.
How Silva got the Terminus.
The fact that she's not dead.

[vivid cloud]

I think you would, though.
Because the four elements don't create life themselves.

[bleak hare]

What do elements even constitute as like different groups of atoms im assuming

[vivid cloud]

Elements are made of atoms, yes.

[wanton pendant]

They are constituted of what they are.
Heat is literally heat energy.
Air is the air.
Water is dihydrogen monoxide.
Earth is the ground.
Nature is living things.

[bleak hare]

I’m going to assume earth constitutes as most metals

[wanton pendant]

It constitutes rocks.

[bleak hare]

Wait what are rocks made of

Like what elements

[wanton pendant]

A lot of stuff.

[bleak hare]

Ima look that up

[wanton pendant]

Fish sometimes.

[vivid cloud]

A bunch of them.

[vivid cloud]

Is it the dead organic matter of fish?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[bleak hare]

Silicon and oxygen apparently

I’m going to assume they can control silicon

And the other metals too obv

[wanton pendant]

Not those kinds of elements.

Elements like in Avatar, not the Periodic Table.

[split mortar]

The elementals are not literally periodic elements type but the more mystical avatar the last airbender types

[bleak hare]

Well the other kind are made up of the smaller kind so like I’m just going deeper into it

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[heavy zenith]

The thing is though, you dont need the four(or 5) elements to create life. This is proven by meteors spawning Meteor Heads. Life is clearly some form of mana density thing. I'll die on the hill that Nature doesnt need an elemental, and that Silva can do all three of the things WWG mentioned earlier."

[wanton pendant]

Heat is not a periodic element or comprised of them. It's energy.

[split mortar]

Domains shift to adjacent perceived concepts, magic stuff in calamity is sometimes not as logical

[bleak hare]

I’m a man of science as corny as that sound the avatar bs ain’t rlly for me

[vivid cloud]

But the Meteor Heads were living because they had mana left over.

[wanton pendant]

So she is, for literally no reason, able to make food, immortal and able to dive into the Abyss unaided?

[heavy zenith]

Gods can do all these things, because we dont know Silvas extent to her powers

[split mortar]

Silva did go into the abyss before godhood

[wanton pendant]

Silva was doing that a thouand years before there were gods.

[bleak hare]

Me and zat are on the exact same wavelength

[wanton pendant]

And gods aren't immortal.

Or able to make food infinitely unless they have a domain specifically tied to it.

And the Abyss would probably just kill most gods.

[vivid cloud]

I'm still very confused.
The Meteor Heads don't seem like a good example because them living was due to excess mana they had.
Not organic at all.

[heavy zenith]

There's too many unknowns and this argument will go nowhere, agree to disagree

[split mortar]

She had to be in the abyss for azafures founding and also for the terminus

[wanton pendant]

There's no reason for Silva to not be an Elemental, and too many reasons as to why she should be.

[heavy zenith]

This is why I make my vids off of the game not dev confirmations

[bleak hare]

Again with the science bs I think it does make more sense for domains to be broader

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[split mortar]

Yeah thats fair

[bleak hare]

Wait what the shit

[vivid cloud]

As you should, bro.

[bleak hare]

What did Silva have to do with azafure

Did she like found it

[vivid cloud]

Uhhhh..............

I literally don't know😂

[wanton pendant]

She was the food source.

[bleak hare]

What😭

[split mortar]

She was in the abyss and her essence dripped down making the place quite hospitable due to lot more food iirc

[bleak hare]

Oh okay

[wanton pendant]

"It is doubtless that the city has been largely aided by the fact that forging is trivial in the Underworld, along with an abundance of food due to Silva's essence dripping down from the Abyss above."

[bleak hare]

What the fuck was Silva doing in the abyss despite there being literally no life in it

[wanton pendant]

For a start, there literally is.

Two, someone chucked her in there.

[heavy zenith]

Yharim threw her body in that mug

[vivid cloud]

So, she was forced there, for one.

[wanton pendant]

This was nearly two thousand years before Yharim was born.

[bleak hare]

You said Silva was there before the gods or something though right

Ik yharim chucked her there

[wanton pendant]

Yes, same with all Elementals.

[bleak hare]

No sorry in the abyss

Before the gods

Wouldn’t Anahita have kicked her out

[wanton pendant]

Yes, a thousand years prior.

[wanton pendant]

Clearly not.

[bleak hare]

Ok strange

[vivid cloud]

Really?
I'm pretty sure Anahita drove Silva out.

[wanton pendant]

It's literally the opposite.

[bleak hare]

I’m with hemp goblin

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[bleak hare]

Hemo

There is no life there though prior to her essence leaking out though

[vivid cloud]

I'm still confused, though.
Who but Anahita or Yharim would force Silva in the Abyss?

[bleak hare]

And she would probably get crushed

[wanton pendant]

We don't know.

It was around two thousand years ago.

Decent chance it was a dragon.

[wanton pendant]

She can't die, Dave.

[vivid cloud]

Makes sense.

[wanton pendant]

And why would Anahita do that, since she clearly did not like it when it happened.

[bleak hare]

Her avatar smartie

[split mortar]

Dragons get bored and put the local elemental in a bath

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, you right.

[heavy zenith]

I like to imagine they just crumple her into a ball and play basketball with her

[wanton pendant]

Not enough to get completely disintegrated and have to reform or whatever.

[heavy zenith]

Space Jam style

[bleak hare]

Abyss is pretty damn pressurised man

[wanton pendant]

Funniest option is that it was Yharon.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, and we see dragons down there, which aren't from there.

Not unsurvivable for powerful creatures.

[bleak hare]

What

[vivid cloud]

Yep.

[mighty zenith]

eidolon wyrms

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Wyrm.

[bleak hare]

Eidolon term isn’t a dragon

[wanton pendant]

Not native.

[mighty zenith]

yeah they are

[wanton pendant]

Wyrm means dragon.

[bleak hare]

Ye ik

[split mortar]

Eidolon wyrms are dragon offshoots
Offshoots are literal dragons

[heavy zenith]

Relatives*

[vivid cloud]

Get some Germanic lore on you, bro.

[bleak hare]

Yeah but it’s not an auric dragon bro

[wanton pendant]

So?

It's a dragon.

A really strong dragon.

[split mortar]

Auric dragons are not the only dragons they the only immortal super gay ones

[bleak hare]

Who’s kid is eidolon wyrm

[split mortar]

Idk

[bleak hare]

They gotta be hella powerful

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Wyrm.

[vivid cloud]

Primordial Wyrm?

[heavy zenith]

Prob king slime or sum

[vivid cloud]

Only culprit, I guess.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, progenitor of the Eidolon Wyrms.

[bleak hare]

primordial wyrm ik bro

[split mortar]

If we going off of the auric dragon is stronger then the offshoot then it can only be zeratros

[heavy zenith]

Several people are typing

[vivid cloud]

Bro would have children stronger than him😭

[bleak hare]

Isn’t it just called adult eidolon wyrm or did that get changed

[wanton pendant]

It hasn't been called that in years.

It also gets power from Silva.

[mighty zenith]

literally 3 years yeah

[bleak hare]

Holy shut I’m old

It gets probably some of its power from Silva but based off of its powers probably not most of it

[vivid cloud]

I think that has been made an entirely different creature that isn't canon.
Or maybe I'm just talking about Infernum and the Fandom wiki.

[wanton pendant]

It was just called that when it had no plot relevancy at all.

[bleak hare]

In seriousness I think the most likely culprit is dragon of storm

[wanton pendant]

It's TECHNICALLY still an adult Eidolon Wyrm, but there's no reason the other ones aren't also adults.

[vivid cloud]

So they're one and the same?

[vivid cloud]

True.

[wanton pendant]

Why wouldn't it be with the rest of its brethren then?

[bleak hare]

Storm dragon you ARE the father

[vivid cloud]

Who's the Storm Dragon again?

[heavy zenith]

Im crine

[wanton pendant]

Vetrasyl, progenitor of the Wyverns.

[vivid cloud]

Clearly he dipped😂

[bleak hare]

Idk maybe it got cast out or better explanation the storm dragon has been dead for well over 500 years where do you want it to go

[wanton pendant]

The Wyverns never left.

[bleak hare]

Yh maybe

[wanton pendant]

And Vetrasyl was like THE not racist dragon.

[bleak hare]

The wyverns are Draconic offshoots

[wanton pendant]

Wouldn't be in character for them to send their child to the Abyss.

[bleak hare]

I don’t think

[wanton pendant]

They are.

[heavy zenith]

It was the Avatar of Emptiness bro LMFAO

[wanton pendant]

That's what a wyvern is.

[mighty zenith]

same as primordial wyrm

[vivid cloud]

Oh, nah😭

[bleak hare]

They have a tadpole form

They litterally start in water

Wyverns

How is that thing related to a dragon

[wanton pendant]

Biology is crazy like that.

[vivid cloud]

What?

[wanton pendant]

Platypus lay eggs and they're mammals.

[vivid cloud]

Mythologically, Wyverns are very much dragons.

[bleak hare]

There is a quest fish called the wyvernfish or something that is confirmed to be the early form of a wyvern

[mighty zenith]

terraria goofiness

[vivid cloud]

Oh, uh...
Don't worry about that.

[mighty zenith]

theres also a fish resembling skeletron somehow

[heavy zenith]

Yeah prob retconned

[mighty zenith]

did cultists curse a fish?

probably not

[bleak hare]

Yh tbh angler probably just taking the puss

[wanton pendant]

Never retconned. Wyverns are just like that.

[bleak hare]

Piss

[heavy zenith]

You just hate me don't you

[vivid cloud]

😭

[heavy zenith]

Don't answer that

[mighty zenith]

you're pretty cool

👍

[bleak hare]

Just because something isn’t 100% confirmed doesn’t mean that we can’t imagine it to be true so long as it makes sense

It might even inspire actual action from the devs too

If they agree with it

[vivid cloud]

[wanton pendant]

I believe this has been brought up before and the devs did not indicate this specific thing was going to be retconned.
Because, why would it?

[bleak hare]

Yh okay that’s wishful thinking mb

[heavy zenith]

Thanks dad

[zenith geode]

i dont think theyre adding wyvernlings as an enemy

[wanton pendant]

Food source...

[vivid cloud]

We can eat them now?
Major improvements to all stats?

[heavy zenith]

This

[zenith geode]

minor, theyre mostly feathers

[vivid cloud]

True, yeah.

[bleak hare]

Ok unless it is confirmed to be otherwise

[heavy zenith]

How many calories in a Draconic Swarmer?

[bleak hare]

500,000

[wanton pendant]

Now we're asking the real questions.

[zenith geode]

calories or kcal?

[heavy zenith]

You decide

[bleak hare]

Actually the pulse from the feathers might be able to charge you for years so who knows

What is the canon explanation for boss drops (e.g. flairon)

I got a good one if there isn’t one

[wanton pendant]

Gameplay convenience and turning your enemies into weapons.

[vivid cloud]

Really not any, save a few that actually come with lore dialogue.

[heavy zenith]

Dragons are chicken meat

[vivid cloud]

We eating good tonight, boys.

[mighty zenith]

time is an endless circle

[heavy zenith]

[leaden bridge]

if you do not stop trying to eat bosses right now i will become void ender and kill everyone with my blackhole powers for real

[wanton pendant]

Ha, can't kill me.

I'm not anchored in this dimension!

[bleak hare]

Ok my explanation is that they are (in cases such as duke) the manifestation of their essences

[vivid cloud]

World hunger would be solved either way, so go ahead.

[heavy zenith]

Its not a boss, but a small Draconic Swarmer

[bleak hare]

I have a whole system that connects souls essences and mana in a doc but I don’t have it on my phone so uhhh

[leaden bridge]

Bitch forgot I'm purple

[wanton pendant]

I see your nose, you're a hue shifted Red Pikmin!

[leaden bridge]

First that's specist second I'm a special kind

[west plume]

why not just

[wanton pendant]

Put that thing back where it came from or so help me.

[vivid cloud]

He lost some weight and in turn lost his purpose.

[pulsar ocean]

why dont people just eat exo prisms for infinite energy to solve world hunger

[vivid cloud]

Because that's Exotechnology.
Usually not something you eat.

[pulsar ocean]

has anyone tried

[long bloom]

bob did... once...

[leaden bridge]

Lmao

[heavy zenith]

How many calories in an Exo Prism?

[split mortar]

Yes

[heavy sail]

crunchy!

[zenith geode]

depends on how slowly you eat it

[light linden]

ok so

something I've been wondering about, does transmutation of matter exist in calamity?

[long bloom]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Shimmer

[light linden]

fuck

forgot about shimmer

[long bloom]

😭

[leaden bridge]

Even if shimmer didn't exist, miracle matter and its weapons

[vivid cloud]

The Mirror of Kalandra and a ton of other weapons wouldn't exist without shimmer.

[zenith geode]

mirror is also noncanon by nature of being a donor item

[vivid cloud]

I didn't think a lot of the weapons were canon, to be honest.

[leaden bridge]

That's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand

What's more mirror would exist without shimmer because it's a donor item and those stopped happening years ago. The donor just wanted its obtainment to be shimmer when it finally got afded

[vivid cloud]

I thought you crafted the Mirror of Kalandra from Shimmer.

Oh, wait. Never mind.

[manic stone]

Who is Xeroc? I dont know anything about calamity lore. And has it changed?

[pulsar ocean]

god of primordial light strongest being in verse

potential superboss post yharim

controls the sun

[split mortar]

Also the guy who talks during boss rush

[manic stone]

Okay thanks.

[sinful adder]

The calamity lore was completely rewritten like 3 years ago. A lot of fan content even these days is based on the old lore.

[heavy sail]

consumer of the auric soul of dragon king zeratros, god of the primordial light, "traitor almighty" according to yharim- though xeroc's dragon-soul-consuming could've actually been something zeratros was on board with, we just don't know, the guy who inspired a bunch of people to try ascending to godhood themselves, and of course, the eye peeping at you during the boss rush!

[bleak hare]

Sun is made of primordial light I think

[vivid cloud]

Oh, and @manic stone .
No matter what anyone tells you, the Nameless Deity of Light is NOT Xeroc.

[bleak hare]

Because it emits mana and light so yeah

[vivid cloud]

Isn't the Sun just another star?

[bleak hare]

Yes

But stars are made of mana

That also gives of light presumably because of its density or smth idk

[vivid cloud]

Yea.
I'm just confused why it would be different from the others.
Other than the fact that it's sustainable.

[bleak hare]

Unless it’s a hydrogen star

Which too do exist

[vivid cloud]

It is made of mostly hydrogen and helium.

[bleak hare]

There are from my knowledge hydrogen and mana stars

I think ours i mana though

[vivid cloud]

Ye.

I think.

[bleak hare]

Because otherwise he would be the god of the sun not primordial light

[vivid cloud]

The Sun being the source of primordial light wouldn't make any sense.

[bleak hare]

Wym

Prim light is just mana stabilised with sunlight

Or that’s the most logical explanation

[manic stone]

I figured since its just a fan representation of what the creator of WOTG thought the concept of xeroc couldve been when the add-on was made. I do think its a really cool boss even if Im far from fighting it.

[vivid cloud]

Well, it's not even canonically Xeroc in the mod.
The fight's pretty dope, though.

[manic stone]

Im still stuck on infernum perforators, I dont play very often.

[heavy sail]

WotG my beloved. even if i have never even gotten close to the end of it

i ADORE how defeating the moon lord and seeing the rift eclipse the sun feels, like, holy shit

especially because the first time i did a playthrough with it, it look me a sec to realize it was getting colder, too. i saw the ground covered in... dust? and the trees getting all faded. and then the surface of all of the water started freezing over, and the npcs began to mention the cold...

congrats to it becoming its own standalone mod! i think it works nicely as a calamity addon, but it does kind of distract from the story of calamity

[somber wren]

Primordial Light might have a Special relationship with the world that Calamity takes place on.

If I recall correctly, the Auric souls are fragments of the soul of the world itself, claimed by the Auric dragons when something caused it to fragment.

But since other stars are much more distant, the Sun is more special to the world, and therefore more special to the Auric souls that came from it.

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Light is a domain on Terraria because it is sunlight and sunlight hits the planet.

[somber wren]

That's what I'm saying

[wanton pendant]

There's not going to be an Auric Soul of Mars because it's not connected to the planet.

[bleak hare]

I will due on the hill that the world soul is stupid or can at least be written way way better because the solar system is heliocentric so the planet should have no connection to the sun

[wanton pendant]

Dude.

Sunlight.

It hits the planet.

The planet orbits the sun.

[bleak hare]

I mean ig but primordial light is still seemingly different from normal sunlight

Refer to the stabilised mana theory

[wanton pendant]

It literally is sunlight.

They are synonyms.

This is in-game.

Primordial Light = Sunlight.

[bleak hare]

Where do it say that

Ok hold on primordial light can be sunlight

From mana stars

[wanton pendant]

Solar Pillar Bestiary entry refers to Primordial Light as Sunlight.

[bleak hare]

Oh ok

Yeah mana starlight is still correct and doesn’t contradict anything unless it is confirmed that our sun is a hydrogen star

When I say correct I mean it makes sense

[wanton pendant]

And the sun isn't mana.

[bleak hare]

Then is it hydrogen

Because draetalk he says a lot of stars are made of mana

[long bloom]

water

we don't know the specifics of cosmology rn

[bleak hare]

What do you mean water😭

Just say hydrogen gng🥀✌️

Oh wait you meant his name mb

I’m a dumbass

But Yh xzier right we don’t actually know I don’t think so let’s go on the assumption that it’s mana

[long bloom]

let's not assume anything actually

[bleak hare]

Well draedon does say a lot of them are mana it’s not a BAD inference i don’t think

[heavy zenith]

we talking bout elements again?

[fading sun]

AURIC PLANTERA IS.... TOMORROW!

[timber glacier]

Yharims gonna use plantera ai in phase 3 of his fight trust

[fading sun]

no

Auric plantera post yharon boss real

[feral skiff]

yes the LORDE uses all boss AIs

so therefore hes the strongest

[timber glacier]

clearly the more ais a boss rips off uses makes the fight harder

[pulsar ocean]

yharim is gonna be a copy paste of the sly fight from hk’s pantheons

[heavy zenith]

We have people out here believing this?

[eager bluff]

?

[timber glacier]

average calamity player reading comprehension

[split mortar]

😭

[eager bluff]

no like its a fairly reasonable assumption for you to think boss rush is yharim

[timber glacier]

actually thinking about it I guess yeah

friends with yharon

kind of could seem like the final boss that the game has build up to i guess

[eager bluff]

yharim is the guy whos been talking to you the whole game it would check out that the person who starts talking to you out of nowhere is also him
plus friends with yharon is a very very limited pool of people that yharim just so happens to fall into

realistically this all comes down to xeroc being kinda a blindside here, there is not a lot of foreshadowing for xeroc so being able to get immediately that it is xeroc isnt exactly intuitive for a new player

even if you do get that the boss rush person isnt yharim because of speech patterns its still hard to point at that and say xeroc

[pulsar ocean]

I haven’t read a single lore item I’m larping calamity when was xeroc ever namedropped ingame

[timber glacier]

I actually don’t remember if he is actually ever name dropped yet in game

[eager bluff]

i dont think hes ever been namedropped but hes been directly referred to by yharim several times

[merry mortar]

this video is so cool

i just finished the entire thing

[pulsar ocean]

is yharim gonna drop a lore item after we beat him written by himself

[heavy zenith]

❤️

[merry mortar]

his lore item is gonna be written by the terrarian

[heavy zenith]

This made me laugh more than it should've

[agile matrix]

isnt he gonna fuckin die

[heavy zenith]

"If youre reading this, im hella dead"

[agile matrix]

"Memoriam"

[pulsar ocean]

✅

[merry mortar]

😭

[pulsar ocean]

yall think yharim has any manifestos

[heavy zenith]

Besides the Gods? Elementals

[timber glacier]

Well since the whispers are getting removed and moved to a new Item i doubt it

[pulsar ocean]

the yharrock

[merry mortar]

yk i never knew that the cloud elemental wasn't like equivalent to brimmy p until i watched that video

[timber glacier]

The elementals are weird

Its especially confusing for the actual earth elemental

[merry mortar]

i thought that the earth elemental was a construct and not a real elemental

is there a real one?

[timber glacier]

Theres a real one

[merry mortar]

❗

[timber glacier]

The “earth elemental” enemy is a construct made by azafurians to replace the sleeping brimstone elemental

[split mortar]

Yeah which sandy is a fragment of like how cloudy is part of a greater whole of the air elemental

[timber glacier]

Sand elementals and granite elementals are parts of the real earth elementals

[merry mortar]

ohhhhh yk i forgot about the sand elemental

i rarely ever see her in my playthroughs

[timber glacier]

Sand elemental is so greedy why do you (still) need 2 whole accessoy summons

[merry mortar]

tru

[timber glacier]

Give one of them to the nature elemental she needs 1

But also like why do the elementals exist

Where did they come from

[heavy zenith]

Great question

[merry mortar]

i'd like to imagine its kinda like draedons scouting drones in a way ; like they are extensions of the power of the elementals used to survey the area and keep peace without having to use the full force of the actual greater elementals

[split mortar]

I just assume they manifest once theres a bunch of their element

[timber glacier]

Also why does silva just look like a human basically whereas the other elementals kind of look like they’re made of their element

Like shouldn’t she be like made of plants and stuff

[split mortar]

Keeping peace is not how i would describe the elementals
Apart from silva they are closer to being like kyoger and groudon

[merry mortar]

i imagine her like a dnd druid circle of land type shit

[merry mortar]

well thats sorta what i meant by keeping peace kyogre and groudon stuff

[split mortar]

She should have all life not just some plant themes attached to a woman

[timber glacier]

Well we do kind of know not much about like how the wholes of wind and earth act

[timber glacier]

Shes moreso the nature elemental though and like I feel like she should at least look less like a basic person imo

[split mortar]

Im not really happy with her design its far too generic imo

[plucky juniper]

can i talk about how sad this is? that xeroc, the guy who invented the very thing yharon hates, was friends with the later once upon a time?

its genuinely fucked

[timber glacier]

Xeroc must feel very bad about what happened

[split mortar]

Like this aint bad for what its trying to be do not get that wrong
Just not my personal fave direction

[split mortar]

Yeah it is

[timber glacier]

Imagine if they add the flower guy shes on as a mount that’d be fire

[sinful adder]

god

I am looking
respectfully

but like got dam...

other life stuff would be good too

legs have hooves and head has horns, maybe arms can have other animal parts?

maybe some wings?

[long bloom]

what if her forearms had fish scales or something

[split mortar]

I just think she is lacking aspects of other life like fungi

[long bloom]

true

turn her flower into a mushroom

[timber glacier]

make her face into a bacteria

[pulsar ocean]

what if she had more eyes

👀

[sinful adder]

What if giant antlers representing the tree of life and every species on each branch of that tree

@nimble mist kill

Thanks

[timber glacier]

Random thought like which “fire” debuff is like the hottest

[pulsar ocean]

daybroken

[timber glacier]

Like does it say its the hottest in its description

[pulsar ocean]

it’s an educated guess

[timber glacier]

Its description says incinerated by solar rays but like do we know how hot a “solar ray” is

[long bloom]

dragonfire probably

it does the most damage

[timber glacier]

Doesn’t vulnerability hex do more

[long bloom]

it's not technically true fire iirc

brimstone magic is weird

[timber glacier]

I will also say like like if the damage would necessarily correlate to how hot it is cos like most of the fires are like magic and might be doing other stuff to get their dps but idk

[agile matrix]

the hottest fire is the fire of passion and therefore slime god (who is one of the few bosses in the game to canonically make something considered an art and title it as such) and their distorted is the hottest fire debuff

[timber glacier]

Slime god don’t got distorted any more though

[finite valley]

burning in theory deals infinite damage as when you keep standing on it you keep taking damage

so meteorite is the hottest

https://giphy.com/gifs/what-uhm-haha-and-so-on-P1wkYq6EZPWfNMLmEJ

embed fail

gg

[long bloom]

dragonfire would also deal infinite damage if you were constantly afflicted

that isn't an argument

[timber glacier]

Looking at some of the descriptions of fire debuffs is funny, like demonic flames says “Immolating flames sear your soul” but like immolating kind of means to destroy with fire so like it feels a little redundant unless I am misunderstanding what immolating really means

[long bloom]

wtf is demonic flames

[timber glacier]

Oathblade line debuff i guess

[long bloom]

oh right that

[timber glacier]

Weird little debuff

Waiter waiter more fire element debuffs please

[finite valley]

at some point it ends

you have to constantly be hit with it to stay

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like a hot plate in like a kitchen isn’t hotter than like an actual fire that only lasts for like 12 seconds thats not how like temperature of stuff works

It is funny how the description of vanilla debuffs are so basic compared to calamity

“Your mental fortitude is fading” vs “loosing life”

[finite valley]

calamity is also more lore focused than vanilla

[timber glacier]

I mean like its so much of a stark contrast, but also like leaves what some stuff even is untirely unknown

[finite valley]

calamity and vanilla as a whole are a stark contrast

[timber glacier]

Yeah very different in many ways

[finite valley]

you can really tell whats calamity and whats vanilla from a glance

[timber glacier]

Basically every calamity item describes what it does but in vanilla it just leaves you to figre thatbout

[finite valley]

none of the terraria weapons are overly complicated

[timber glacier]

Yeah fair point they are all fairly simple

[finite valley]

ye

compare mega shark to speed blaster

if speed blaster didnt tell me in detail it has an alt fire id never know

meanwhile mega shark is js simply shoot forward

[split mortar]

And you have to constantly stand on meteorite for the on fire to stay

[pulsar ocean]

s

[feral skiff]

what is Rage and Adrenaline from a lore perspective

[timber glacier]

I feel thats self explanatory for rage and presumably adrenaline is still a thing and the same in calamity universe

Like its literally your rage

And adrenaline

[long bloom]

rage and adrenaline

[feral skiff]

does this imply that getting really angry makes you stronger

[long bloom]

it can irl

[mighty zenith]

i mean yeah thats what adrenaline is

[leaden bridge]

Brethen 😭

[timber glacier]

What is rich mahogany from a lore perspective 🤔

[young socket]

its when a mahogany grows up while living in the 1%

[leaden bridge]

Ancestral lihzahrd wood cultivation techniques make the mahogany become rich

[mighty zenith]

makes for very good desks

mahogany.

[timber glacier]

What is the dirtiest dirt block from a lore perspective 🤔

[split mortar]

1. Those are references to mgrr and so prob not canon
2. They irl also make you stronger so like

[timber glacier]

Everything in calamity is a reference to mgrr basically honestly

[young socket]

sometimes a dirt block is alive and they camoflauge in actual dirt and they dont like it when you hurt them and youre being mean stop being mean leave them alone :c

[timber glacier]

Wait its alive

[cosmic minnow]

Teto

[leaden bridge]

Calamity if the rippers never existed 🐬 🌈

[young socket]

idk

it moves tho so like

[timber glacier]

Calamity should bring back stress trust

[cosmic minnow]

Dirt, duh

[young socket]

im not sure how else itd move

[timber glacier]

Rolling around i guess

Invisible rope tied to the player

[cosmic minnow]

Ok actually, probably something like sulphurous sand

I imagine that stuff is rather dirty

[wheat walrus]

brethren*

[timber glacier]

Idk sounds kinda sandy

[cosmic minnow]

[timber glacier]

Wait thinking about it how do the dirt rod work

[leaden bridge]

Magic

[timber glacier]

But it doesn’t use mana iirc

[leaden bridge]

The dirtiest block is infact alive this has been confirmed

[leaden bridge]

Since when has that mattered

[split mortar]

Neither does terra blade

[timber glacier]

The dirtiest dirt block is actually the true earth elemental

[timber glacier]

Okay yeah fair point

[timber glacier]

What does Dragonblood Disgorger and the dragons it summons mean for the lore

[split mortar]

Ravager likes dragons

[timber glacier]

Why would ravager be related to the bloodstone core weapon

[split mortar]

Bloodstone is a post providence ravager drop?

[timber glacier]

Oh yeah but like its also from like the crag enemies main,y though

Like its from the geode drop but like so is the life alloy bars but he aint got nothing to do with cryonic stuff

[split mortar]

I have never heard of someone who farms the crags enemies for it

Also ravager is the blood god
Bloodstone from the blood god

[errant plume]

the drop rates are straight garbage ngl

[split mortar]

Yeah thats what it seems to me
You get fuckall from the enemies

[timber glacier]

But like are the skeletal dragons like actuallt skeleton dragons

[errant plume]

25% for 1 stone
even if you die a bunch to ravager it should still be faster to kill him once

[split mortar]

Might be misremembering but iirc when ravager gets overhauled bloodstone is being a rav only thing iirc

[timber glacier]

Honestly that would make a lot more sense

I wonder if bloodflare armour would still need ruinous souls or no if that happens

[split mortar]

I doubt it iirc ravager and polterghast might be like
The same tier after rework?

so either it would have to be themed after both (how) or bloodflare is rav only if it ever gets resprited

[timber glacier]

I do think I heard something about a polterghast themed armour too so like that would be weird for the “ravager” armour too need both dead

[split mortar]

Actual dragons still exist :p

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like how do they like relate to other dragons like are they an offshoot or what

[split mortar]

Go headcanon

[timber glacier]

no I need canon explanations for them

[errant plume]

anything can be canon if you delude yourself hard enough

[timber glacier]

Deerclops must be canon she must she must cos I belive she is

[stark flame]

Why did Yharim launch a massacre against cats? I can't understand this.

[timber glacier]

… cats?

Yharim aint done nothing to cats

[timber glacier]

But what about the town cats

[young socket]

theyre the last ones left

anyways cats are actually an INHUMANE ACT OF DIVINE TREACHERY

[stark flame]

[timber glacier]

Theres also the unlucky yarn cat and that one miner cat pet

[young socket]

they all originate from the god of cats, who stole the auric soul of beasts from its rightful owner

[timber glacier]

also desert tiger staff

[stark flame]

Huh? Are cats this evil in Calamity?

[leaden bridge]

Cats ate Yharim's grandma's third cousin removed nephew's widow's son in law

[stark flame]

[young socket]

old lore ass reasoning

[timber glacier]

A cat actually scrathed yharon one time and he held a vendetta since then

[leaden bridge]

He was only 3 years old

[magic epoch]

His scars aren't related to lava at all

[stark flame]

Is this actually true?

[leaden bridge]

Why would i ever pie in calamity mod #lore-discussion

[timber glacier]

Pie 🤤

[leaden bridge]

🥧

[magic epoch]

🥧

[timber glacier]

🥧

I wonder if there is any plumbing in the aerie

[leaden bridge]

No

The dragon of waste magicked it away

Like in harry Potter

[wanton pendant]

Really funny how that insane explanation directly contradicts the main plot points of the second book.

[leaden bridge]

No they just figured out plumbing at some point

[timber glacier]

I wonder what yharim has been eating while in the aerie

[leaden bridge]

The small little dragon offshoot birds and lizards that are cute and little so nobody bothered kicking them out

[wanton pendant]

Yharon actually used to have hundreds of arms.

[leaden bridge]

They also can't talk

[stark flame]

Why does Yharim want to kill the mammoths? Is it also related to the gods?

[stark flame]

Maybe he can live for ten years without eating or drinking.

[west plume]

eternally regressing apples

[leaden bridge]

He drinks from the golden waters of the aeries great lake. Yharon doesn't have the heart to tell him the dragons all used to pee in it. It's not golden for that reason but still

[vivid cloud]

The dragons' auric pee enhances the lake's vitality.

[split mortar]

Do we know any specifics of what agnus preached others

[long bloom]

this is everything we know about him afaik

[split mortar]

Thanks

[stark flame]

Does the God of Cats truly exist? Where can I find information about him?

[split mortar]

I think you got lied to cause who tf is the god of cats

[stark flame]

[long bloom]

more info is over there

[young socket]

no no

its under there

[stark flame]

[leaden bridge]

Her name is neko and shes an anime girl with cat ears and a tail

[mighty zenith]

her name is cirno and she is stupid

[wanton pendant]

His name... is Steve.

[leaden bridge]

I don't think cirno is the goddess of cats

[wanton pendant]

Who the hell is Cirno?

[plucky hamlet]

a

[stark flame]

[raven brook]

great sequence of messages

[plucky hamlet]

A character from Touhou Project

[wanton pendant]

Do I look like I know what a Touhou is beyond making Toby Fox say the funny thing?

[raven brook]

if a dev says something completely ridiculous and presents it as Real And True Lore then it is probably a joke

specially if they then goes to add "Canonical fact" afterwards

did you know? the god of toilets is canonically real and is the reason yharim made toilets illegal. because of this everyone who lives in yharim's conquered nations has to shit on the floor

[wanton pendant]

Adding this to the lore document.

[stark flame]

[leaden bridge]

The god of toilets also included like bidets and urinals in their domain but nobody rlly checked

[plucky hamlet]

what！！！！！wait

[stark flame]

Oh my god!

[plucky hamlet]

reall？？？

[mighty zenith]

toilet theory

[leaden bridge]

Yeah that's why Yharim had draedon install it in his armor. Technically doesn't count as a toilet and he just didn't like using bushes

[wanton pendant]

Did you know? Before changing his name to Yharim, his name was actually Joseph Von Racist.

Not due to his racism, but because his family was from a country named Racist.

[leaden bridge]

Yharim's brother is named john racist, who racist town is named after. John Racist was an abolitionist who fought for the rights of slaves. Racism was named after yharim

[plucky hamlet]

ahhh，I understand, you are all joking.

I am an idiot

[heavy sail]

his advisor begged desperately for him to not pass the law, but his pleas fell on deaf ears. if it weren't for the arrival of the witch, he would've left after that
toilets then became a symbol for all those who stooled (geddit?) against the godseeker. especially wulfrum toilets

this is all real. my dad works at nintendo and he told me

[wanton pendant]

I can confirm, I'm secretly this guy's dad.