lore-discussion

[agile matrix]

god of thievery and its a literal chimpanzee

[pulsar ocean]

You can in hunt of the old god ✌️
absorbing an auric soul is just a minor buff tho

[scenic kraken]

Ooooo reminds me of F&H

[orchid hawk]

does it do anything

[scenic kraken]

The Terrarian is cracked I see

[pulsar ocean]

Minor permanent buff

[orchid hawk]

can i find what it does on a wiki

[pulsar ocean]

Probably

[timber glacier]

It is really funny that like godhood in that is you are like idk around the strength of a person with around a tier 3 food buff type power increase

[steady flower]

I forgot what that is. Although, yeah, that is just how my mod's lore goes when it comes to achieving godhood.

[scenic kraken]

Yharim: "I have an ability that makes you shit yourself everytime you try to harm my magnificent, auric body"

The Terrarian:

[scenic kraken]

Damn that is tiny

[timber glacier]

Theres also auric souls dropped by yharon and ||old duke || in the mod with the same bonuses

[steady flower]

It is tiny.

[orchid hawk]

💔

[timber glacier]

Its also the same as the removed future boss fights that also gave permanent buffs on death

[scenic kraken]

Bet it has a nice personality though

[steady flower]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timber glacier]

Crazy

[steady flower]

Maybe.

[orchid hawk]

you cannot be gettin me cracking up this hard

it is 3 am

[timber glacier]

I love being a god and taking 1 less damage (in classic mode) thanks to my overpowered 3 defence

[steady flower]

It is 5:34 AM here.

[scenic kraken]

Go fo bed...

[orchid hawk]

embed fail

[steady flower]

I swear, the Devourer of Gods would be able to sense you otherwise.

[orchid hawk]

insta warned

i saw that message

😂

[steady flower]

[scenic kraken]

What message :3

[orchid hawk]

oh hey the item old scal would drop if you died to her exactly 3 times

[steady flower]

I remember that.

That shit was funny.

[orchid hawk]

what was it called

[scenic kraken]

What did it do

[steady flower]

It literally was called "lul."

[scenic kraken]

Also goated pfp

She bad as hell

[steady flower]

In all lowercase.

[scenic kraken]

Goated pfp

He cute as hell

[steady flower]

Haha, thanks. That is my original character and fursona.

[scenic kraken]

Now draw him eating a cake while being dressed up as Ralsei

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-video-game-ultimate-life-form-gun-gif-14973892910499302857

BRUH.

[orchid hawk]

embed fail x2

[scenic kraken]

IS THE GIF TAB BROKEN.

[steady flower]

It is funny you say that because he canonically likes sweets.

[orchid hawk]

✅

[steady flower]

Anyway, I am heading off for now.

I am getting coffee and will start to code soon.

Good luck to you lore yappers.

[orchid hawk]

ts ain't even about lore anymore

[steady flower]

I think since this is a big server, it gets easily off-topic anyway.

[orchid hawk]

EEEWWWWW

[timber glacier]

Gross

[orchid hawk]

would it be a good or bad idea to try to play the most recently added april fools version of calamity

1.4.2.101

like actually play through it

[timber glacier]

Oh wait i just looked on lul’s page and like its depicting the late game critic totalbiscuit thats kinda cool

[scenic kraken]

Man

I have sum lore

For the shitty ass modpack I made

[orchid hawk]

"this modpack has lore"

"lore:
evil guy kills good guy
other good guy gets mad
kills evil guy"

[scenic kraken]

More or less trynna to connect mod of redemption to calamity

Also Thorium

[timber glacier]

Also Its crazy that like for some reason the lul item had like a thing where it wouldn’t work if you had multiple town npcs in your world

[orchid hawk]

removed before the item was canned

but yeah that's dumb

[timber glacier]

Thats like such a weird thing for it

I in some ways get the name thing (even if it is awful now) but like I’m baffled by like making it need less than 2 current town npcs

[scenic kraken]

HELLO I'M YOUR NEIGHBOR

[timber glacier]

Goodbye neighbour

[latent bolt]

why would this exist unless for testing purposes man

[timber glacier]

Meme item i guess

But the npc thing is so weird

[pulsar ocean]

hi guys

[timber glacier]

I just had an interesting idea like hear me out during the cal clone fight there could actually be dialogue from like yharim commentating on the fight during it or something like imagine him analysing the fight and stuff

[pulsar ocean]

sounds annoying

[timber glacier]

Moreso like not a full poppup but like text showing up at the bottom where hes like just analysing it

Like the fight already also has cal clone dialogue

[pulsar ocean]

you know what would be awesome?

you know fanny the flame from ccr
that but yharim
the whole game

[timber glacier]

I know like if it was actually like a big poppup like fanny (rip god rest his soul in the pits of hell) but like if cal clone is moved to end of prehardmode to potentially make the fight more impactful having like yharim dialogue analysing some stuff near the very bottom of the screen could be done cooly

[bleak hare]

Yo are any add ons cannon

Sorry

Any content from the add ons

Like bereft vassal or goozma existing

Not us fighting them

[split mortar]

No

[bleak hare]

Ok

Yo so uhhh

I got some suggestions I wanna make with the lore

Anyone know where to put them

[split mortar]

#suggestions-posting is for any calamity suggestions including lore afaik

There are rules to it so i suggest reading them wherever they are

[bleak hare]

Ok thanks

I read the rules why there so many😭🙏💔

[split mortar]

People are dumb

[bleak hare]

Stupid ass question how do I like make my text bold so I can clarify the title I’m on my phone

[split mortar]

hashtag at the start of a line for super bold

double asterisks around the text you want normal bold i think

ive gtg

[late veldt]

** "AND HERE COMES MY SOON TO BE SUCCESSOR, THE ONE WITH POTENTIAL TO STRIKE DOWN THE GREAT BETRAYER** (lying)**, LEGALLY NAMED "YAKUBIAN DEVIL EX", BASHING IN CALAMITAS'S HEAD WITH A STEEL CHAIR, AND THE CROWD GOES WILLLDDDDDDD" **

[magic epoch]

im not going to lie i read ahead and combined "legally" and "yakubian" and i got lesbian

[pulsar ocean]

calamity mod music

[worthy sierra]

Is there a lore reason to why the ceaseless void is such a bitch to kill with it spawning one trillion dark energies

[timber glacier]

Because its a door

An evil door to the evil purple world

[golden root]

Is there a reason why the player is able to mine auric metal without having ascended or had their soul attuned?

[split mortar]

Ascending does not protect you from rejection iirc
But uh, i presume the auric rejection is like surface contact based so the much smaller pickaxe contact is easily overpowered while stepping on it kills you dead

[pulsar ocean]

we still get damaged
also i think we should be getting smited while pickaxing it but thats for gameplay
ascension is like the polar opposite of attunement and auric would probably hate ur guts more

[golden root]

Both are so true

Not to mention auric is never used in equipment alone I don’t think

Thanks guys

[magic epoch]

The auric bars are stabilized by being combined with Yharon souls frags

Which is why auric armor doesn't Fucking Kill You

Mock attunement I believe I've heard it be described as

[golden root]

thats really fascinating

[wanton pendant]

Basically it means that you trick the Auric Metal into thinking you're attuned, but it comes at the cost of Auric Rejection no longer working for the metal you've done it too.
That's why nothing goes flying if it touches you while wearing Auric Tesla Armour.

Yharim is attuned, so he doesn't have that problem.

[golden root]

yeah

along with other benifits from attunement as well

[wanton pendant]

The specifics on what benefits it gives aren't clear beyond longer lifespan and staying in your prime longer.

Like, sure, probably generally makes you stronger.

No idea by how much.

[golden root]

the lore doc mentions more strength

but yeah its not clear how much (and I dont think it matters all that much)

[wanton pendant]

He has been hitting the gym for the past 106 years so it's probably not the main factor.
Aside from staying young enough to hit the gym that much.

[worthy sierra]

Does this imply that we will go flying when we contact damage yharim

[wanton pendant]

If you're not wearing Auric Tesla, yeah.

[worthy sierra]

Real

[raven brook]

i like to headcanon that attunement does give you some unique abilities adjacent to the domain, like a lesser version of it basically

and the reason yharim specifically gets such a boosted lifespan and vitality isn't something you'd universally get from attuning but specifically something that happens sine yharim is attuned with the dragon of rebirth

attuning with say, the dragon of flames could give you some general degree of expertise over fire magic

not to the same extent as the dragon itself, but itd be noticeable

[latent bolt]

your headcanon sounds reasonable

[heavy sail]

two days late to this convo, but this part of why he's my favorite. i love characters who kind and compassionate people who have nonetheless contributed to something bad, and they're just stuck in that situation. or just kind characters living in bleak worlds in general, especially if they're pacifists like perma is

also, is there ever going to be anything in the mod about him being insanely old due to a weird auto-cryo-preservation spell? it's in the introductory lore doc, but i don't know if everything in there is a "we're definitely commiting to this idea" thing

[split mortar]

Its seems pretty concrete to be a planned thing hence ehy its in the doc, calamity is just massively unfinished sadly

[heavy sail]

i hope it is, because i think having a guy around who is just casually over 300 years old has some very fun and interesting implications for his character. especially because he did it through good ol' fashioned cryomancy and nothing involving auric attunement

[heavy sail]

yeah... i only started getting really into the mod recently when brainstorm came out, and i think before i started learning more about the development of it, i thought it was like, 80% finished. now i see it's only 35% or where the team would like it to be- which to me, isn't disappointing, because it means some really fun and interesting changes are coming! also, as a hollow knight fan, waiting is one of my favorite hobbies

but it does make me worry a bit with how ambitious a lot of the planned stuff is. like the fact that there's gonna be a whole distortion subworld with multiple biomes! that's so cool! but also, it sounds like a hugely intimidating amount of work

and i also don't know if there's like a dev roadmap with planned dates that they aim to finish certain things by

[wanton pendant]

Next update is Hog Wild.

And then there will be another update.

Presumably more will follow.

[heavy sail]

i am excited for hog wild!

[split mortar]

It adds a horrible hog

[heavy sail]

magnifcent

[feral skiff]

what happened to SSO

[wanton pendant]

Gone, reduced to atoms.

Could not handle the hog.

SSO will return in Avengers: Doomsday.

[feral skiff]

sunken sea overhaul is NEVER…

[heavy sail]

my understanding is that they're working on adding little parts of it gradually. basically the concept got so big and intimidating, everyone got burned out

[wanton pendant]

SSO has been shelved.

Will return eventually, as something new and different.

[split mortar]

Also extreme mismanagement which is mainly attributed to fabsol being a shithead at managing things iirc

[heavy sail]

all of the pretty new rock and sand types you get from shimmering navystone and eutrophic sand seem to be for the revamped sunken sea

[wanton pendant]

They were I believe.

[split mortar]

Yeah

[heavy sail]

before i read the intro lore doc, i just really liked all of the new blocks. no idea what they were for, but they looked rad and also grew cool dangly plants

anyway i guess this is getting kinda off-topic

[split mortar]

Thats quite usual for lore chat, long as actual lore adjacent conversations are not being disrupted i don’t think the mods mind some off topic talk

[heavy sail]

to get back to the point, i like that permafrost is somewhere from 300-400 years old and he didn't need no fancy auric stuff to pull it off! also, the idea of him just being extremely stuck in his position as yharim's advisor because of multiple things that would probably get worse without him is so compelling and interesting and sad

[split mortar]

-# iirc the age range we were given was closer to 400-500

[heavy sail]

oh yeah, i forgot. he's even older!

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-gerson-boom-gerson-im-old-i'm-old-gif-9089591442953041727

Thats the cold one

[plucky juniper]

no?

i mean if you think immortals inevitably turn into hitlers because immortality sucks

but like, you're not yharon

you dont have the baggage of perpetuating a problematic society, only to have the similarly horrible fate of watching your entire kin get gradually wiped out until you are the last one left

[wanton pendant]

YOU'RE FIGHTING TO WATCH EVERYONE YOU LOVE DIE! THINK OVERDONE! YOU'LL LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO WATCH THIS PLANET CRUMBLE TO DUST AND BLOW AWAY! EVERYTHING, AND EVERYONE YOU LOVE, WILL BE GONE! WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS?!

[plucky juniper]

i will still have fucked your mom

[heavy sail]

yeah!! he's old and cold!!
i do wish he had more lines about his backstory but it is kind of a lot to bring up casually. also i wouldn't be surprised if that's another future update plan
i do love the dialogue he has now, though, even if there's not really that much of it relative to other npcs. i like how polite he always is, even when begging you not to make him live in the desert

[wanton pendant]

NPC dialogue is very outdated.

[split mortar]

Oh you will like that they plan to make dialogue trees for permafrost, scal and amidias then iirc

[plucky juniper]

unironically i desperately wish they didnt cut the "I chose ice magic because my parents were pyromaniacs" line

[heavy sail]

"The sun here is too unfriendly for my ice! Please, allow me lodgings elsewhere at once!" translation: "get me the FUCK out of here"

[split mortar]

Also yeah npc dialogue hella outdated 😭

[plucky juniper]

i love that line so much, it fits terraria perfectly

[heavy sail]

oh yeah, i saw that when i was skimming the old lore doc and thought it was funny

it is very in line with terrarian humor

[split mortar]

Why are you moldy go take a shower

[wheat walrus]

did you notice this just now melon

[plucky juniper]

and worst of all? I think it still would work in modern calamity lore. after all, whose now the mentor to an infamous pyromaniac?

[heavy sail]

speaking of which, i'm very glad we're getting the funny hog update because i sincerely believe that the one thing calamity really needs more of is stuff that's just playful and goofy. i think it could help balance calamity's quite dark and dramatic story with the silliness of terraria

YEAH

[heavy sail]

also hell yeah!!

[split mortar]

No

[heavy sail]

also also!! i will probably never experience this firsthand because i uh. actually suck at hard terarria bosses and have never tried getfixedboi ever in my life but i LOVE the supreme ultramage permafrost dialogue! they were hiding this whole adorable silly side to him there! what the hell!

[zenith geode]

do not worry i suck too but i managed to get past bh3

[heavy sail]

the DoG shows up (actually i think it's two DoGs) and he's like oh god no PLEASE KILL THIS GUY

[zenith geode]

granted it was on an older version where toxic heart just kinda did that

[wanton pendant]

List of people who canonically like DoG:

[heavy sail]

it's okay giant distortion worm, i like you!

[wanton pendant]

Hospital.

[heavy sail]

[i give the devourer a little pet on the head]
him: TASTELESS SLOP.

man i wish i knew like, anything about terraria modding so i could make an unofficial calamity dialogue expansion. if that would be okay with the dev team

[wanton pendant]

They should let me write the dialouge my ideas are great.
"Yo, it's me, Calamitas, can I pay rent in wild onions? I have a massive stockpile. Please. Please. I don't know where they're coming from. They haunt my every waking moment. I close my eyes and I see wild onions."

[heavy sail]

✍️ 🔥 🔥

[wanton pendant]

"The power of the Godseeker is terrifying. I once bore witness to it. He said 'It's godseeking time,' and he godsook all over the place."

[heavy sail]

absolute cinema

[topaz viper]

it sewk

[latent bolt]

joke dialogue addon would be fire

meanwhile they give Scal the longest dialogue in tmod history that you can interrupt with Tyranny's End

[bright phoenix]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Sacred_Strawberry

Uhh if we eat a fragment of Yharon's soul does that make us a Demi-God

[sinful adder]

No because it works differently

[bright phoenix]

Gotcha

[sinful adder]

You're not fusing it to your soul, you're just getting some of its power... Some other way

[split mortar]

We did not do an ascension ritual we just store the energy in our bodies instead of soul fusion stuff
And also you need a whole soul for the ascension ritual iirc

[bright phoenix]

Ah yea, we're wearing the rest lmao

[bleak hare]

So I saw you mention a doc for the old lore is there a doc for the new lore

And if so could someone link it

[sinful adder]

Yes! In the pins

[bright phoenix]

I haven't really been keeping up with new lore lately and I've noticed a lot has definitely changed

[sinful adder]

#lore-discussion message

[split mortar]

Pins has 2

[bright phoenix]

Like I remember cryogen being the entire ice kingdom or city or something of the like compressed jnto a prison construct for the Archmage but idk if my brain made the ice kingdom stuff up

It's been a while

[wanton pendant]

It was not a kingdom to my memory ever.
It was a compressed into a prison though.
Nowadays it was made by Calamitas.

[bright phoenix]

Ahh gotcha

I might've mixed something up and gaslit myself but for some reason I thought it was a whole ass kingdom that was crunched up into a ball or cube of ice

[wanton pendant]

I think it used to just be his fortress.

Now it's just a prison.

[bright phoenix]

that checks out

Thank you

[bleak hare]

Old lore is generally much worse and disconnected but there are definitely some concepts from it that could still work in the new lord

[wanton pendant]

The better concepts were kept.

[bleak hare]

Wait like what?

I feel like many of the character origins were better in the old lore

[wanton pendant]

Yharim being tossed into lava. That's cool as hell.

[wanton pendant]

I can't think of a single one that was better.

[bleak hare]

Anahita

[bright phoenix]

New lore seems a lot cooler, I definitely gotta go through it since it's been a good 5 years or so since I've done a dive into it

[wanton pendant]

I don't think she even had an origin beyond befriended a big fish.

[bleak hare]

Now mind you the lord behind their origins is worse

In the old lore

But

[bright phoenix]

Which ones are you thinking of?

[bleak hare]

The idea of a race of water elementals is sick

She came from a race, betrayed them and found leviathan from my knowledge

[split mortar]

Anahita in old lore was like an actual person iirc
In new lore she is basically kyogre

[bleak hare]

Where does leviathan come from in the new lore again?

[wanton pendant]

Unknown.

[bleak hare]

Ok maybe the old leviathan is better

[split mortar]

Either it is a rare as shit natural creature she befriended or it is a summon from anahita possibly so she is not lonely
Its left ambiguous what it exactly is

[wanton pendant]

Old Leviathan was a fish.

[bright phoenix]

Like this post if you remember siren

[bleak hare]

And it’s just a big fish thing

The alpha concept kinda cool ig

[wanton pendant]

Alpha?

[bleak hare]

Leviathan was a female alpha of her species

In old

[bright phoenix]

Yeah iirc they were two outcasts who befriended each other with leviathan being a fish that grew way too big

[wanton pendant]

I don't remember that at all.

[bright phoenix]

I saw now leviathan is kind of more of a familiar...?

[wanton pendant]

I remember it being a really big fish.

[split mortar]

I do

[split mortar]

It might be or it might just be big odd fish still we dunno for sure what it is

[bleak hare]

I feel like yharims old lore can also be implemented in the new lore slightly here me out

He’s a leader of a cult in the new version

[bright phoenix]

Really?

[bleak hare]

We could make him the prince of a kingdom now

But have it so that the gods feel a connection between him and the dragon egg when they come to his kingdom

[split mortar]

Didnt yharim literally deny being a king of a cult in new lore
Then went and ran s religious genocide crusade against gods

[bright phoenix]

I liked the part of the lore that made it so Yharim was alone because of his endless warmongering and paranoia of traitors that drove basically everyone but yharon and his more contractual partners away

[bleak hare]

Brother I just read the doc look at it

It’s there

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's current backstory is kind of important for his behaviour.

[split mortar]

I maintain the lore doc

[bleak hare]

I think in the way I described it

[wanton pendant]

Changing it a lot would lessen that.

[bleak hare]

Ok nah hold on lemme finish

The kingdom makes a deal with the gods that they will give them yharim once he gets old enough

But once he rejects it and gets tossed into the lava

They also destroy the kingdom

[wanton pendant]

I'm not sure how that would add anything.

[bleak hare]

And kill his parents

[wanton pendant]

Considering that Yharim is meant to be a former slave.

[bleak hare]

Adding personal depth

[wanton pendant]

Unlikely they'd scrap that.

[bleak hare]

Huh

[wanton pendant]

That's why he hates slavery so much.

The gods kept him as a slave.

[bleak hare]

Huh

[wanton pendant]

So they could groom him into being a puppet king.

[bleak hare]

Strange

Anywho it also provides the way that yharim forms the godseekers

From the kingdoms in allegiance with the kingdom that he’s from

Joining him

[wanton pendant]

Also wouldn't make sense for him to instantly get multiple countries as allies.

[bleak hare]

Nah he has to visit them and tell them what happened

[split mortar]

-# aint it mostly city states with chrysadia and ilmeris as pretty big outliers

[bleak hare]

He still has to recruit them

Yharon as e widened

Evidence

[wanton pendant]

It would still be insane to pull something like that off so quickly.

[bleak hare]

Didn’t chrysadia get destroyed before the crusades

Or just fall into ruin

[bright phoenix]

I like to think that after Yharon escaped with Yharim, he mirrors the player's path to ascension by being a local hero on the down low who slowly gains recognition as he gains power, and convinces others to follow him as his popularity rises

[bleak hare]

As of now we have no clue where he gets his armies from

[split mortar]

Azafure is a known place

[wanton pendant]

Centuries beforehand.

Destroyed 850 years ago.
Crusade began 106.

[split mortar]

Kinda got targeted first by moonlord when it invaded which aint healthy for prologued survival

[bleak hare]

God damn

The sky civilisations conflict with the underworld is also a thing of the old lore I kinda like

But that’s a seperate topic

[wanton pendant]

They traded with each other now.

Was there even a sky civilization back then?

[split mortar]

Seems to be implied the case since scal sees similarities and tries to stop us becoming hitler 2.0 due to it

[bleak hare]

There were angels or some bullsh

That lived in the sky

[wanton pendant]

Sounds about right for old lore.

Angels, for reasons.

[bleak hare]

So not traditional human I don’t think

[bright phoenix]

Maybe people see his as a hero at first, just a single man and his baby dragon who have suffered a great cruelty, fighting against those who would inflict it and gaining the hope and inspiration of those saved by his deeds and who see him as a martyr towards a better future— I imagine Yharim's influence and ambitions grow slowly with time and he goes from copper short sword to tyrant's ultisword

[split mortar]

Angel and demon war was uh
Not elaborated beyond explaining providence being in hallowed and hell iirc

[bright phoenix]

That makes sense

[wanton pendant]

Tyrant Ultisword is kill.

[bright phoenix]

Defiled Greatsword

[split mortar]

The tyrant ultisword got renamed ages ago into not yharims weapon

[bleak hare]

Either way kingdom theory can still exist with his ascent to power

[wanton pendant]

But you lose an important aspect of the character.

Like, a very important one.

[bleak hare]

Like his aversion to slavery

[bright phoenix]

Im an unc, need to get with the times

[wanton pendant]

Yes, exactly.

[bleak hare]

Hmmmmmmm

I always felt that was just in his character

Not caused by nun

[wanton pendant]

Since despots didn't tend to be abolitionist.

If he had no personal vendetta against the practice, he'd be doing it.

His morals are in Hell.

[bright phoenix]

So true

[bleak hare]

You can in theory just have him as royalty look at slaves and think that it is wrong

[bright phoenix]

We love dumping bodies into the ocean

[bleak hare]

Like he did that with yharon

[wanton pendant]

Wouldn't fit the character.

[bright phoenix]

We love forcing a teenager to evaporate a kingdom

[bleak hare]

He could have consumed yharon soul but he didn’t

Because he thought it was wrong

[bright phoenix]

It could be because he detests the gods so much that he doesn't want to be anything like them

[wanton pendant]

He didn't out of spite to his captors.
He did not know who Yharon was beforehand. (In terms of character.)
Hell, considering Yharon's personality he probably wouldn't have liked him in a vacuum.

[split mortar]

Also aint it intentional theres basically nothing really known about yharim before the crusade as like a sort of he metaphorically rebirthed and burnt his past thing
Its late as hell im having trouble articulating so ima just leave it here and go bed

[leaden bridge]

Yharim is already morally incoherent I mean. He kills people

[wanton pendant]

That's also an aspect.

[bleak hare]

When were they keeping him captive

[wanton pendant]

When he was their slave.

[bleak hare]

They were just grooming him no

Got that sounds weird

God

[wanton pendant]

I hate to break it to you but people being groomed generally are to some degree captive.

[split mortar]

Yharims fine with grooming but not slavery

[leaden bridge]

the whole dungeon part of the everything reveals he did not actually care all that much about personal freedoms if it's not technically slavery. Like he's fine with torture and indefinite imprisonment

[west plume]

he didn't have a choice in the matter and was kept there until adulthood

[bright phoenix]

A lore reason could be that Yharim burnt away a lot of history trying to make sure stuff like the ascension ritual would be forgotten for good and now the war is all that's known

[west plume]

the slavery thing is kinda silly because calamitas was Basically a slave and he just didn't acknowledge it

[leaden bridge]

This too

[split mortar]

Hypocrisy moment

[wanton pendant]

This is because winners decide history.
He's also delusional, that's the main reason.

[leaden bridge]

Yharim is a big gullible hypocrite and he should explode

[wanton pendant]

But it's fine she never wore chains.

[plucky juniper]

yharim is a case example of the cycle of abuse

[bleak hare]

Wait the ascension ritual is just where you give your soul the power of another soul without it taking you over right

[wanton pendant]

Totally different.

[wanton pendant]

No.

[bleak hare]

How

[zenith geode]

the ascension ritual involves the terminus

[split mortar]

Thats perfect ascension

[plucky juniper]

i def know he was fucked up partly because of slavery

[wanton pendant]

The ritual lets you absorb the power of an Auric Soul and merge it with your own.

[magic epoch]

the ascension ritual we don't know

[wanton pendant]

The Terminus lets you do it without messing up the soul too much.

[bleak hare]

That’s more or less what I meant water

[bright phoenix]

That's how you get a good villain— he believes incredibly in specific morals and values while disregarding the core of things, overlooking his own hypocrisy because he is not exactly like his own captors, blind to the fact that he has become the same as them

[bleak hare]

Sorry

[zenith geode]

oh i thought perfect was the default and imperfect would be specified

[split mortar]

We only know details of the ritual but nothing all that exact

[bleak hare]

Should have been clearer

[split mortar]

Only 2 people have perfect ascended why would it be the default 😭

[zenith geode]

because it was the first

[wanton pendant]

A vast majority of ascensions are imperfect, and the ritual is needed for both.

The Terminus specifically is needed for the perfect kind.

[bleak hare]

Okay I know it’s not canon but hotdog don’t require the terminus for you to consume goozma or yharon a soul

[bleak hare]

Oh ok gotcha

[wanton pendant]

They gave Old Duke an Auric Soul man they do not care.

[zenith geode]

those also arent ascending

[leaden bridge]

yeah in hotog you're doing an imperfect ascension

[zenith geode]

thats just eating the soul to get a little stronger

[split mortar]

And you dont gain any domains just shitass tiny stat sticks

[magic epoch]

the mod that adds a non canon character doesn't need to adhere to the canon lore

[latent bolt]

do we know the exact circumstances of the second perfect ascension

[wanton pendant]

Silva did it.

[leaden bridge]

I heard a while while ago silva somehow got forced into it

[bright phoenix]

Hotdog?

[split mortar]

We have literally no knowledge on her ascension circumstance iirc

[wanton pendant]

Well someone would have to force her to perform it somehow since I'm fairly certain you can't do it to other people.

[split mortar]

Hunt of the old god

[bright phoenix]

Ohhh

[leaden bridge]

well yes i know

Still

[wanton pendant]

How the hell do you blackmail an immortal being into becoming stronger without that backfiring very fast?

[magic epoch]

is anahita actually like

fleshy

fish

[split mortar]

Uhhh maybe

[bleak hare]

Wait so for when you play hotdog with WotG the disgraced auric soul is just a part of AoE that shattered off of him after he escaped and the supreme auric soul is just a gift by ND right

[wanton pendant]

I don't want to think about her being 'fleshy'.

[wanton pendant]

What. No?

What are you talking about?

[magic epoch]

iirc the gore sprites do have her looking like it I think

[bleak hare]

What is it then

It’s not like you kill them lmao

[wanton pendant]

I have no idea what you're talking about man.

[magic epoch]

iwmean is her form water or flesh

[zenith geode]

its not canon to either hotog or wotg

[wanton pendant]

Wish?

[bright phoenix]

Real questions here

[latent bolt]

iirc anahita is basically condensed living water

[magic epoch]

flish

[latent bolt]

im not sure if she counts as a fish

[pulsar ocean]

I mean he’s a dragon

[wanton pendant]

She's water incarnate.

[pulsar ocean]

that can do stuff

like magic

[latent bolt]

exactly

[bleak hare]

I’m aware it’s not canon

[split mortar]

So can a slightly fiery stick

[latent bolt]

is water wraith under anahita's domain

[bleak hare]

Doesn’t exactly mean that it doesn’t deserve to be mentioned

[west plume]

shadow dragon wizard gang. we love casting spells

[bleak hare]

Anahita doesn’t have an auric soul

[wanton pendant]

No, actually.

[bleak hare]

She ain’t a god with a domain

[pulsar ocean]

Or does she

[split mortar]

Anahita is an elemental
The elemental of water

[pulsar ocean]

how come no bug or bird ever took one of the thousands of the world shard fragments

accidentally

[wanton pendant]

So they did. We call them Auric Dragons.

[pulsar ocean]

Auric bugs

[magic epoch]

auric dragon of pestilence

[split mortar]

Probably a ritual for those as well not just becoming a god

[bleak hare]

Goozma though he ain’t cannon has an auric soul

From just condensed normal souls

[magic epoch]

why are we still bringing goozma up

[bleak hare]

U right

[pulsar ocean]

cuz he’s cool

[split mortar]

What goozma even is, is left open ended in hotog lmao

[zenith geode]

goozMID

[split mortar]

Goozma is cool

[magic epoch]

the logic used in the not canon add-on does not need to abide to the logic in the base mod

[latent bolt]

goozma isnt canon to calamity's story as it isnt official content

[bleak hare]

No he isn’t what

[split mortar]

Draedon brings up multiple theories and neither are confirmed

[pulsar ocean]

can I make goozma canon if my terrarian is his descendant

[split mortar]

Hotog alters draetalk to have goozma yap

[bleak hare]

He was a slime that consumed so many other slimes and their souls that his soul becomes auric

[wanton pendant]

No. Terrarian is you does not cover this specific scenario, just to spite you and only you.

[zenith geode]

its just an old guy named goozma

[bleak hare]

Siffers I’m pretty sure it is a concerte explanation

[zenith geode]

no relation to the slime mass

[magic epoch]

he was a slime rancher

https://tenor.com/view/slime-rancher-slime-gif-22607202

how he died btw

[bleak hare]

From my knowledge goozma is the last descendant of all living things expect for like really old shit like the deus but you just revive him in hotdog

Correct me if I’m wrong

[wanton pendant]

What?

[bleak hare]

Ahhhh shiiiiiit

It’s been a while since I played mb

[bright phoenix]

Is slime god a god

[magic epoch]

Yes

[zenith geode]

yes

[bleak hare]

Draedons theory suggests it may be a splinter but if not then yes

[magic epoch]

This isn't canon bro

[bleak hare]

ik vro

[wanton pendant]

Yes. They absorbed the Auric Soul of Gluttony.

[pulsar ocean]

but goozma is cool

[split mortar]

Ascended with the dragon of gluttonys soul

[split mortar]

Fuck yiu

[bright phoenix]

Ahhh

[bleak hare]

I’m here with kozz there isn’t anything in base lore that suggests he couldn’t have existed

[wanton pendant]

:(

[wanton pendant]

There is quite a lot.

Like the fact that he's from a fanfiction.

Can't get the rights then.

[split mortar]

Hotog aint even official iirc

[wanton pendant]

Only VCMM is.

[pulsar ocean]

bro goozma is not canon in the slightest but hes cool so i like him

[split mortar]

True

Goozma looks so cool

[bright phoenix]

Is queen slime stronger than slime god then because she uses power from providence (I assume) instead of being a god herself, and slime god is simply a really really weak god?

[bleak hare]

Aside from him being a fanfic what events happen in the story that contradict him existing

[magic epoch]

you can apply this logic to everything that isn't explicitly confirmed

[bleak hare]

No

[bleak hare]

Yh true

[wanton pendant]

Well Slime God's backstory contradicts Draedon's theory for a start.

[split mortar]

Yes queen slime is stronger then slime god
Queen slime is a hallowed paladin that consumed slimegod

[bright phoenix]

Ahhh

Slime cannibalism

That makes sense

[wanton pendant]

Queen Slime doesn't gain power from Providence. There is no relation between them.

[bleak hare]

I mean you could say that again, slime god is a splinter of the original slime god

[split mortar]

Providence having association with a specific biome is outdated
The hallowed is the god essence of slain good gods

[bright phoenix]

I assumed wrong then

[bleak hare]

That being goozma

[wanton pendant]

Except Slime God is a human.

Or well, was.

[bright phoenix]

Gotcha, empress is no longer Providence's follower?

[bleak hare]

Yeah hold on wit waterwraitbs point

[split mortar]

When did eol even have lore

[wanton pendant]

Never was I don't think.

[bleak hare]

How the fuck did providence turn into a crystal

[split mortar]

I do not think they gave qs and eol lore in old lore

[wanton pendant]

Side effect of being a goddess consumed by her power.

Why crystal?
Uh, compacted ash probably.

[eager bluff]

her auric soul just kinda made her that whole rock fire roots crystal monstrosity

[split mortar]

God ascension is fucked up and if you let it define you too much it warps you into horrors

[split mortar]

Not auric

[bleak hare]

Gotcha

[eager bluff]

semantics are unimportant if the general idea is conveyed

[bright phoenix]

How bad am I misremembering lore, I coulda sworn that's what they had her as when 1.4 first came out

[bleak hare]

Now she uses Xerocs primordial light using the hallowed somehow

Oh and she’s also the daughter of a god

[split mortar]

Eol is the offspring of a god and uses the hallowed to give herself the power she thinks is hers iirc

[bright phoenix]

Ahh okay

That makes sense

Also makes the 'Empress of Light' moniker click

[split mortar]

Hallowed granting primordial light control is not unprecedented the chaos elementals are able to use it to teleport

[bleak hare]

So is that what happened to slime god too

[west plume]

she had terrible self image and thus godly transfiguration fear and hunger'd her into something befitting what she saw herself as

[west plume]

yeah

[split mortar]

Yeah slime god let her godhood define himself too much and got liquidated into slime

Ew

[wanton pendant]

Empress of Light lore item was added in From the Ashes.

[west plume]

i like to think slime god just really liked slimes before being transfigured and saw themselves as one deep down therian style so that's what they turned into

[bleak hare]

What the fuck

[split mortar]

Lmao?

[bright phoenix]

I will never trust my memory again

[bleak hare]

Slime god one weird mf

[long bloom]

basedbasedbasedbasedbasedbased

[split mortar]

I don’t think you starve yourself for centuries by being normal tbf

[magic epoch]

[bleak hare]

Also how the fuck is braelor more powerful than his own god

[wanton pendant]

Silva buffs him.

[split mortar]

Silva is a super buffer

[wanton pendant]

And he's really strong.

[long bloom]

not every powerful god is powerful in combat specifically

[wanton pendant]

Silva:

[bleak hare]

Yeah uhhh how does she buff him to be MORE POWERFUL than herself she has to be pulling energy from nothing then😭🥀

[split mortar]

She is the nature elemental AND goddess of life AND is the first dryad she is cracked at buffing others but has like no offense or defensive powers herself i imagine

[leaden bridge]

Incredibly funny thing to say for the fire Rock fairy

[long bloom]

he's already really strong

[wanton pendant]

He's already strong.

She makes him stronger.

[long bloom]

wrong reply fuck

[bright phoenix]

Bro had a pet town slime and convinced himself his spirit animal was a slime

[wanton pendant]

She's also buffing Primordial Wyrm.

Which guess what, is also already strong.

[split mortar]

1. Braelor is also busted normally so its not like her power is carrying him as much
2. Yeah gods make energy from nothing, the sea prisms are connected to otonilou and do exactly that

[west plume]

we had a discussion in dev about this, providence would have been more human if she had ascended before she decided to kill all of humanity. i think after killing flame she just completely separated herself from her humanity and then upon ascension became The Profaned Goddess who is the most inhuman god in game

[bleak hare]

Ok so siff look at the suggestions page I litterally suggested against that

How does that make any sense

[long bloom]

how does magic make any sense

[leaden bridge]

? Sg is sitting right there?

[wanton pendant]

Now to nail down what the hell the plant roots are for.

[west plume]

slimes aren't that far from humans in my eyes

[long bloom]

aura

[split mortar]

Fiction moment
Domains originate from the world soul, they intentionally break a rule normal people have to abide by

[bleak hare]

Magic is just people using mana in mana based tools or weapons or even just making personal constructs

Mana is a type of energy

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, magic energy.

[bleak hare]

That is highly malleable

[wanton pendant]

It's magic.

[bleak hare]

By living beings

[leaden bridge]

Okay but like objectively unholy fire Rock fairy construct thing is more vaguely humanoid than sg

[split mortar]

And in fiction energy can be made from nothing if the writer says so
And evidently the writers want domains to break thermodynamics

[leaden bridge]

Importantly providence has like a face

[long bloom]

domains literally give you infinite mana

[west plume]

slime god could morph into a person if he/she/they wanted to and providence is permanently stuck in moth mode with immutable rock meat

[bleak hare]

Nahhhhhhhhhhh Sonion ring

[split mortar]

In regards to their domain not just for anything

[long bloom]

yeah

[magic epoch]

it's like silksong

[bleak hare]

Ohhhh right

Still the sea prisms aren’t said to be attached to ontilous soul so it don’t make any sense

[wanton pendant]

It's the implication.

[bleak hare]

Besides they said they would check it out

[split mortar]

They are implied quite a bit to be tied to otonilou somehow

[long bloom]

syrup do domains give you infinite mana or infinite stamina for using mana

[wanton pendant]

What is mana but magic stamina?

[long bloom]

mana is the resource you expend to cast magic, which also takes stamina to use said mana

[west plume]

i don't actually know if she sees our of her mask. we haven't had the discussion on if providence is just the crystal and fire or if her flesh includes the rock yet

[split mortar]

Dev statement momento! Because why not

[wanton pendant]

Strike the rock and watch it bleed.

[west plume]

infinite mana in a given domain and infinite stamina for casting in that domain

[long bloom]

i see
so both

[wanton pendant]

Is there a God of Hogs?

[split mortar]

Why do you think the hogs are wild

[west plume]

divine swine

[magic epoch]

hotog

[wanton pendant]

I knew it.

[west plume]

originator of all pigs

[split mortar]

Is horrible hog hog satan in the hog religion

[long bloom]

i knew it. divine swine is the reincarnation of the frost dragon

[split mortar]

I think we should beat xzier with hammers

[long bloom]

???

[wanton pendant]

Does this mean Yharim will beg of us to butcher the swine?

[long bloom]

dies

[eager bluff]

old duke

next question

[west plume]

won't actually be in-game tho and i just made that one up

:3

mein lag

ough

[split mortar]

No thats satan to the calamity community i think

[long bloom]

fabsol:

[split mortar]

Ive seen people want fabsol back that cannot be true sorry

[magic epoch]

there's also satanists

[long bloom]

and i've seen people that like old duke

[timber glacier]

Wait what how can someone want him back

[bleak hare]

Yh but it would be good if they either stated them to be attached to her soul or just not be infinite

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

That cannot be genuine

[bleak hare]

What the fuck who said that

[timber glacier]

Theres no way that someone could unironically said that

[bleak hare]

That’s just objectively not true

[split mortar]

We dunno how domains even fully work they could give their thermodynamics breaking properties to things without it having to store the direct essence for all we know

[bleak hare]

Favsol is so much worse

[long bloom]

unfortunately, people are extremely stupid

[bleak hare]

At everything

[long bloom]

think of the intelligence of the average person

half of them are dumber than that

[bleak hare]

Literrally there is nothing he was actually good at

[timber glacier]

Fabsol literally let a minor in an nsfw server he owned he should not be let within like 100km from anything calamity related anymore

[long bloom]

multiple iirc

[split mortar]

-# brainstorm being mainly item reworks was due to fabsols incompitence iirc, so they are giving ozzatron shit for fabsols fuckup 😭

[timber glacier]

Also he was a transphobic piece of shit that no-one on the team liked

[wanton pendant]

Don't remind me.

[west plume]

if you think that's bad you should check out his steam profile description

[bleak hare]

What is it

[wanton pendant]

Take a guess.

[split mortar]

Anyone got the fabsol fnaf images

[timber glacier]

If fabsol was still in charge we’d probably get like emperor of light before yharim or something like what happened with old duke right

[wanton pendant]

No. Lava Duke.

[timber glacier]

Honey duke and shimmer dukes too

[leaden bridge]

Nt rlly?

[timber glacier]

Wait isn’t this kinda just yharon if you think about it

[leaden bridge]

did discord just duplicate my message

[wanton pendant]

Why did I have to look at that.

[west plume]

sea prisms aren't drawing power from otonilou and never were in the sense that otonilou was never drawing power from herself and never was; they're able to exist independently because the power source is still there

[bright phoenix]

Bruh no way

[long bloom]

i don't understand

[eager bluff]

brainstorm being mostly reworks was because the other content that would have gone with all the reworks was pushed out for a later time because fish hell

[bright phoenix]

I saw that one guy who spammed every single terraria mod steam workshop page with "I hate ozzatron how dare ozzatron take over calamity" and I'm out here like guhhh

[golden root]

Dude also was asking if there where any women on the dev team

The guys nuts, take no notice of him

[eager bluff]

they talked to yuh for like 5 minutes and then tried to lobby for yuh to take over

[bright phoenix]

calamity community needs to chill out in general too, what's this bullshit about a mod not delivering a huge update, especially after having a huge switch in development team leads? Flaming a mod for a lack of deliveries is exactly how Dokuro got kicked out. Unless you've pledged money to calamity, ppl should NOT be getting upset over it, and if you HAVE pledged money, you should also do so with the understanding you are supporting a passion project not a kickstarter

[wanton pendant]

Yuh has some crazy charisma it seems.

[bright phoenix]

Ewwwww

[wanton pendant]

Calamity had its biggest update a few months ago.

[bright phoenix]

YEAH

[west plume]

stip will get mad at me for explaining but the process of ascension binds your soul with an external power source which allows you selective magical access. all dragon and god metals are drawing power from a Secret Third Thing which is what their soul was bound to. i.e. the world soul shard, which doesn't disappear unless you allow noxus to slurp it up or the god just leaves. as long as otonilou's shard still exists, sea prisms will continuously get bluetooth magic from it to power the spell which creates electricity

[bright phoenix]

Like, these guys can chill

[wanton pendant]

So we can shut Draedon down if we clentaminate hard enough?

[leaden bridge]

i dont think clentaminating does anything there

it just kinda like

purifies essence

through some wahteve mechanism

[west plume]

no; the shard will stay there. the solution is just to feed the planet to noxus

[bright phoenix]

It is powerful enough to cleanse the essence of a deceased god (the crimson/corruption)

[timber glacier]

Well it can also make stuff essenced and stuff and also make stuff into astral

[long bloom]

can't fovos also destroy shards

[leaden bridge]

like i dont think youre reducing the total of lingering god soul shards by clentaminating corruption or crimson or hallow

youre just like

idk i guess an analogy could be like

idk tbh

youre just purifying it though

not destroying the essence

[wanton pendant]

So, like, are the shards just lying around, being useless?

[leaden bridge]

i assume so

[bright phoenix]

Terraria mod can have a little plot holes as a treat

[leaden bridge]

until dog started eating them

[wanton pendant]

DoG can have fragments, as a treat.

[eager bluff]

the shard is still mixed in with the soul iirc

[leaden bridge]

i guess if you purify like

if you purify crimson corruption youre kinda like

[west plume]

yeah

[leaden bridge]

blending? mixing? the souls

so they separate

and break down into smaller chunks

that dont have enough concentrated power to become evil

[west plume]

they're still attached to the souls for a while so until they completely decompose and then reattach. the essence is the remaining will of the souls attached to it which are using the shard to project themselves rather than the shard itself although it isn't a conscious action

[eager bluff]

purifying crim and corro feels more like you're just taking out the person soul and leaving the draconic and world soul shard (but even that isnt a perfect analogy because i dont think its actually just souls that make up the entirety of crimson and corruption)

[wanton pendant]

Ah, of course, I get it now.
(Does not get it at all.)

[west plume]

it's difficult to explain

when you ascend you tie your soul to the shard and then leech magic from it. after you die the shard will stay but your soul will stay bound to it for a while, so while your soul is still bound to it, your deepest desires can still cast unconsciously magic from the shard

[sinful adder]

If you kill noxus do the auric soul shards come back

[leaden bridge]

no

[sinful adder]

Or something they've transformed into

[wanton pendant]

So could someone theoretically retrieve the shard and use it for themselves?

[leaden bridge]

i assume neither

theyre just gone

#fucked up

[wanton pendant]

Because if so Yharim's gonna be feeling like this after a while.

[sinful adder]

They'd have to wait for all the remaining essence to decay away which will take a very long time

[leaden bridge]

yharim is dying soon anyways

#packwatch #justwaitforhimtodie4head

[west plume]

nah. the shard can't be used again for a while and it'll probably rejoin what remains of the world soul and then go inactive

the only thing keeping it from just rejoining the mass is the soul binding it

[sinful adder]

Oh so does that mean sea prisms will eventually stop working?

[leaden bridge]

thatd be pretty bad

[wanton pendant]

Can the remains of the World Soul be woken up?

[west plume]

no

unless you know how to talk to a planet

[long bloom]

my buddy chris does

[west plume]

Hey Terraria, can you wake up? Get up bro it's important c'mon

[wanton pendant]

What if I get a really big drill?
They're pretty loud.

[timber glacier]

Just ask the moon to talk to terraria duh it would clearly know how to speak planetese

[west plume]

the moon isn't a planet silly

[wanton pendant]

Counterpoint: The Moon's Haunted.

[timber glacier]

It isn’t a planet but actually studied planetese in university

[sinful adder]

Do world soul shards get entirely destroyed by noxus or only mostly? Their power was clearly not outright gone or else they wouldn't be fueling noxus

[west plume]

how is a satellite gonna study planetese :\

[wanton pendant]

TV.

[timber glacier]

What else would it be doing in space

[leaden bridge]

well the process that destroys them makes noxus more powerful

id ont

like

theyre gone. they ate them. they got stat buffs

clearly

[wanton pendant]

Do you think they're tasty?

[leaden bridge]

depends

[wanton pendant]

Is there a big clump of fragments somewhere that's like a giant lollipop?

[sharp valve]

+10 HP and +3% dmg per soul, what a steal!

[sinful adder]

Hmm

[sharp valve]

Noxus is running a highly optimized damage build (Running Manacing modifiers)

[timber glacier]

Noxus gonna be a piece of cake to beat then

[wanton pendant]

Is that the choice of Saxton Hale?

[sinful adder]

Most of the time when we see essence it comes from something that's already dead

But in Silva's case, she can spread her essence around while alive

[sharp valve]

He was some very high defense armor

[sinful adder]

I wonder what happens if you smash together essence of a living soul and essence of a different dead god soul

[timber glacier]

Doesn’t providence like also have her essense spread out in the form of unholy essence

[sharp valve]

And he’s wearing the final Worm Scarf upgrade, the Distorted Scourge Scarf

[sinful adder]

I bet the living soul's essence would gradually gain control as the dead god soul faded

[wanton pendant]

Uelibloom.
Why?
Because screw you, that's why.

Please devs kill Uelibloom.

[timber glacier]

Uelibloom importance lets go

[timber glacier]

No just like uhh make it into an entirely unrelated new tree type trust it’d be peak

[sharp valve]

Nothing says Goddess of Ash like fossilized roots

[timber glacier]

Also are the like essences of sunlight, eleum and havoc at all related to like the god essence things

[sinful adder]

I wonder if my plans to fix the world soul and other similar things make sense

I would guess that havoc is brimstone essence

[leaden bridge]

braelor armor badge of bravery #neverforget

[wanton pendant]

Uh, no.

[sinful adder]

And the others maybe are primordial light essence and something else

Weird that those 3 things exist though

[timber glacier]

Eleum might have something to do with like dragon of frost if anything but like they’re probably not like at all related to the god essences

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but the stuff it drops from is stuff made by Permafrost.

[timber glacier]

I kinda feel like it might be smarter to maybe like just turn them into new souls or something

But devs if you remove uelibloom i beg of you please keep the blocks, furniture and armour (as vanity) in the mod i beg

[wanton pendant]

Ancient Uelibloom, take it or leave it.

[timber glacier]

Also why the hell does the silva furniture set use silva crystal blocks like does she have anything to do with crystals

[leaden bridge]

shes crystal for an amazing reason

[timber glacier]

Also like i will say silva furniture is weird cos like it doesn’t really at all look associated with silva herself cos like it looks made of gold and weird green crystals with nothing actually tying it to nature

[light linden]

havoc isn't

havoc is brimstone energy

[leaden bridge]

its green

green is natural

[sinful adder]

She's green for an amazing reason

[light linden]

Devil's Devastation tooltip:
The perfect blade of the Underworld, wielding the power of Brimstone directly.
Humans understand this force as Havoc, the inevitable sundering of all order in fire.
Perhaps this is why the Brimstone Elemental had strength unrivaled by her sisters.

[timber glacier]

I honestly feel like the botanic set fits a silva set so much more than the actual silva furnture set

[plucky juniper]

unironically tarragon is a better silva armor than the fucking silva armor

[timber glacier]

Ehh they’re both decent but honestly like merging some design elements could be nice

[raven brook]

true tbh

[timber glacier]

The silva mask helmet is ehh but silva hood piece kinda has cool elements with those golden leaf things for “horns”

[raven brook]

tarrgaon seems more like something properly nature based with it being made of wood and leaves hwile silva is kinda just green and the gold metal dosen't really fit too well either

[timber glacier]

Yeah the colours of tarragon are much more nature-y

[plucky juniper]

also if we're gonna make dryads the resident female fanservice race, what with silva's current design and the dryad yknow

[eager bluff]

silva hood is so awesome i love silva hood

[plucky juniper]

then i think we should be entitled to... beautiful attire befitting a beautiful goddess of life

[timber glacier]

But like combing silva gear and tarragon could be cool for at least aesthetics

[bright phoenix]

I don't mind the gold leaf and gilded elements of silva armor's design since it adds elements of regality and divinity to the set but yeah, could probably combine it with tarragon

[timber glacier]

You could maybe keep the gold leaf elements and stuff and just replace the weird green with tarragon’s green and add some tarragon coloured brown parts

[bright phoenix]

I always did wonder why the bars we got from slaying providence were ancient root bloom things

[timber glacier]

Theres no lore reason for it so like it staying is kind of unlikely

[eager bluff]

tarragon is slated for DEATH!!!!!!! sometime in the future

[timber glacier]

I hope it remains but like not as a major ore type but like just a minor change that post-moonlord has on the world like through new cool uelibloom trees or something

[eager bluff]

idk just throw it in the traveling merchants shop as a chance to replace dynasty wood or smth

[timber glacier]

But cool new trees would be epic and stuff

Maybe also make it like silva themed as a set in like why it exist since thatd make a lot more sense

[raven brook]

braelor is a dryad

[eager bluff]

ok but cool new trees are also finnicky to generate especially if it continues to be fossilized stuff

[plucky juniper]

well you can argue hes a beautiful man

[eager bluff]

its not an argument he just is

[raven brook]

he's male fanservice because only men are allowed to like him

dryads are just mages that use life magic

they may or may not worship silva

I think that was the explanation given for it anyways. Might change.

[timber glacier]

The terrarian is even a dryad if you use like certain weapons

[raven brook]

Don't quote me on that.

[plucky juniper]

do not make me pull the "THAT WAS IT?" pirate image

[raven brook]

I mean there will be new trees

but for perennial

[eager bluff]

is perennial biome still a thing

[timber glacier]

Yoo hold on that sounds fire

[raven brook]

afaik yes

perennial grove or whatever its called

uelibloom is dying because we have 500 plant/nature themed sets laready

[plucky juniper]

i mean from what i heard, its moreso a rework of vernal pass ig

[raven brook]

don't remember hearing anything about that

[plucky juniper]

and that would honestly be better than adding a 3rd big plant-related area

[eager bluff]

i think popcorn or tsuki looked through old prs and found perennial biome getting nuked

[west plume]

dryad: i'm a lesbian!
silva: i'm a lesbian too!
ugh, aren't there any dryads that like MEN here!
braelor:

[raven brook]

i wouldn't mind perennial grove being essentially just an expansion to vernal pass since yes an entirely separate nature themed biome from the jungle would be ratheer weird i think

[plucky juniper]

anyhow i am partly bummed that dryads arent actually a race for some reason

but if the player is supposedly able to become one...

fuck it, new class: dryad

[timber glacier]

This is canon now

[raven brook]

why aren't witches a separate race from humans? are they stupid?

[timber glacier]

Please no more classes we already have 1 too many in calamity

[eager bluff]

fuck you we're adding thorium bard

[timber glacier]

Albeit having items like hive pack that boost “dryad” magic would be cool

[west plume]

why would dryads be a race. being a dryad is a culture. you can be born into a dryad lifestyle or choose to join it

[plucky juniper]

calamity try to not take vanilla terraria thing in a completely differnet direction challenge: 60% failure rate

[timber glacier]

Thats okay bards the only actually unique class imo thats fine

[wanton pendant]

I can't be bothered to pull up the image I made.

[west plume]

y is vanilla terraria our fault

[eager bluff]

we're also adding clicker class

[raven brook]

dryads are separate species/beings in some media but that does not mean calamity mod for terrari has to also make them that

[west plume]

this is like if you were bummed out that computer scientists aren't people born to mess with computers

[wanton pendant]

So?

[timber glacier]

nooo don’t do that it doesn’t make lore sense I guess from a gameplay perspective it is actually unique but don’t noooo

[raven brook]

add the pokemon trainer class that catches pokemons

[plucky juniper]

okay so im pretty sure the issue im having is that calamity takes terraria's vanilla things in different directions than how they're implemented

[raven brook]

in calamity mod

[west plume]

ugh lag

[raven brook]

we're adding pokemons

[west plume]

uggggh

[eager bluff]

from a gameplay perspective its carpal tunnel until you get the autoclicker accessory

[plucky juniper]

its pretty heavily clear that dryads in terraria lore are supposed to be a race

[raven brook]

wdym different directions than how they're implemented. what about dryads being a different species or not conflicts with what is implemented in vanilla

[wanton pendant]

That's not relevant to Calamity though.

[raven brook]

the dryad is the naked woman npc that sells you plant seeds

thatas how shes implemented

[plucky juniper]

and thats kinda been the general assumption of me for ya

[timber glacier]

I meant moreso being unique in terms of how it plays unlike 90% of modded classes which could literrally be a subclass

[plucky juniper]

hang on i must cite

[leaden bridge]

If vernal pass gets 2 perennial 2 pass i hope it gets cool worldgen instead of static structure that's too big in small worlds

[raven brook]

the lore for the terraria forums is not real it is not real

it is not real wake up

[wanton pendant]

Should we tell Yharon that he must comply with the conventions established in Lord of the Rings?

[leaden bridge]

Yes

[west plume]

or if u were upset that every mage wasn't a sorcerer

[wanton pendant]

You know what, you're right.

[eager bluff]

dryad does also have a bit of contradictory stuff in her bestiary i Think but i forgot if cal changes her bestiary or not

[plucky juniper]

okay did yharon appear in lotr

[eager bluff]

because hers says shes the last of her kind when braelor exists

[timber glacier]

Also is the dryad npc like really old cos her magic means she doesn’t age as much or something

[eager bluff]

yeah

[raven brook]

specially as an active member of lore discussion circles you have no reason to assume dryads would be a separate species because they are reffered to as such in terraria forums lore that is not real it isnt real

its not real either for calamity or vanilla it isnt real

its not real

[wanton pendant]

I'm sure he showed up in the extended edition.

[plucky juniper]

well consider me astounded

[west plume]

Calamity mod's lore predates Terraria and Terraria's lore was a crowdsourced community effort

uogh

lag

[raven brook]

64 bytes

[wanton pendant]

In Calamity, she worships the Goddess of Life.
Take a guess as to how she's still alive.

[plucky juniper]

*old calamity lore predates Terraria's lore

[leaden bridge]

brethen 😭

[timber glacier]

I guess the dryad could be the last of her kind, not the last dryad but her actual race and stuff

[timber glacier]

Ok fair point

[west plume]

dryads weren't a separate species or demihumans there either i don't think

[sinful adder]

Ok so it sounds like dryad is a term that's like mage, where it can refer to both wizards and sorcerers

[timber glacier]

But does that mean braelor (and statis maybe) also like will live for a really long time

[wanton pendant]

I mean technically Permafrost and Calamitas are dryads if you go with the most blanket terminology.

[raven brook]

they were part of a council that sealed moo n lord or something. i dont know i dont remember

terraria forums lore isnt real so i forgot

[wanton pendant]

If they ask her nicely.

[west plume]

how

[raven brook]

Permafrost uses ice magic, i don't think we ever see him using life magic ever
]

[wanton pendant]

Anyone who uses biomancy.

[raven brook]

Calamitas uses necromancy

[eager bluff]

they were basically just the auric dragons but vanilla according to forums lore

[west plume]

i don't think calamitas has ever animated anything using life magic in her entire life. i'm pretty sure she just puppets corpses

[raven brook]

whether necromancy classifies as a variant of life magic or something i don't remember exactly

[eager bluff]

big society ✅
sealed moon lord ✅
all of them died except for one ✅

[plucky juniper]

okay old lore accroding to the archived lore states that Silva is a nature spirit, and the first. Her title is "The First Dryad"

we can assume, in this stiuation, that "Dryad" PROBABLY refers to a nature spirit and not some pointy leaf-lover

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14H0fmHigzvTxbQ1ipWOhD9bpN-49tN6cCs6Jb4QZRLw/edit?tab=t.0

[wanton pendant]

Damn, neglecting her homework. I knew she was a truant. We should kill her now.

[timber glacier]

Permafrost clearly uses nature magic one of the weapons he sells absolute zero has leaves on it so it must be biomancy

[raven brook]

but calling calmaitas a dryad feels weird so i wouldnt refer to a necromancer as a dryad becasue theyre not a dryad

theyre a necromancer

[sinful adder]

Btw Silva sounds like probably the closest thing to a perfect benevolent god leader that terraria has ever had, right?

[raven brook]

have you considered,

silva cna just have been the one who invented life magic

[leaden bridge]

She sounds dead

[west plume]

even if calamitas did use life magic she isn't culturally a dryad nor does she know any dryads so she'd kind of be like a dryad mormon

[wanton pendant]

It would be really funny if it did.

[timber glacier]

Maybe if she like used like dead plants or something maybe that’d be biomancy but she like uses like actual animal/people skeletons

[raven brook]

We do not know anything about silva's characterization beyond that one quote of hers in the blossom flux tooltip

[wanton pendant]

Remind me of what exactly a Mormon was?

[raven brook]

I don't see how dead plants or skeletons would be any different

biomancy isn't Plant Magic it's Life Magic

[eager bluff]

the insane christians in utah

[long bloom]

the super religious people in utah

[raven brook]

dead plants and dead animals or people are for all intent and purposes the same thing for this argument

[wanton pendant]

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

[west plume]

american branch of christianity with an entirely separate canon to the asiatic branch of christianity

[long bloom]

no they're like
Extra Insane

[timber glacier]

Biomancy and necromancy are like opposite magics like how the life and undead elements in skylanders are opposites totally

[eager bluff]

quite a lot actually

[wanton pendant]

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down ?

[plucky juniper]

i am not calling a necromancer a DRYAD

[wanton pendant]

From where I'm standing, everything in America is utterly deranged.

[raven brook]

yes that is what i said a few messages above thanks for reiterating

[west plume]

also if biomancy and necromancy are the same thing there's a lot of ethical questions about sepulchre and her brothers that don't make logical sense for calamitas' character as a whole

[leaden bridge]

It's like what if bible was actually talking about white america all along so in a way it's really white people's bible. They're also insane

[timber glacier]

I could see like dryads and necromancers being related in the idea like how someone with like idk control over temperature and like ice and stuff or something

[wanton pendant]

Ahh, I get it now I think.

[long bloom]

their messiah got all his info from a rock in a hat that told him

[sinful adder]

the mormons are a "Christian" cult based around a guy who allegedly saw a prophecy from God like 200 years ago that happened to be very convenient for him

[eager bluff]

utah is the promised land

[wanton pendant]

You've lost me. Is he related to the guy behind chiropractics?

[long bloom]

wouldn't be surprised

[west plume]

currently her brothers and sepulchre are like, barely animated unthinking unfeeling corpses with vague directives given to them. if necromancy is life magic calamitas is making her brothers suffer in rotting mutated corpse bodies for no reason

[wanton pendant]

He got it from a ghost.

[eager bluff]

also they used to get a planet when they died but that got retconned

[raven brook]

I thought the brothers were conscious enough to willingly protect Calamitas rather than being explicitly ordered to do so

[wanton pendant]

Ok, but on the other hand those bodies are cool as hell so it's worth it.

[plucky juniper]

that got retconned?

[west plume]

so it takes them from being symbols of the past which calamitas is using in a morbid albeit harmless way to calamitas subjecting her family to eternal torture and servitude after exhuming their graves

[plucky juniper]

ya fucking gotta be kidding me

[timber glacier]

Isn’t that just like their survival instincts that necromancy still keeps when reviving something

Like I thought thats why they protect her

[raven brook]

no it's like explicitly something unique to the brothers

[plucky juniper]

now i have no reason to convert to mormonism
😭

[raven brook]

it's why they're considered the apex of necromancy because they actually manage to retain some consciousness

which does say alot about literally every other form of it ever

[long bloom]

or at least something that looks like consciousness

[timber glacier]

Skeleton merchant:

[wanton pendant]

As we all know the Brimstone stuff is Calamitas' job, the Necromancy is where the passion is at.

[raven brook]

skeleton merchant is a guy cosplaying as sans

[wanton pendant]

Jaundice.

[leaden bridge]

Skeleton merchant counter is now 4

[timber glacier]

Its because he don’t make sense in lore (3/4 times have been me)

[raven brook]

i think there was a possible explanation talked about in this chat that the skeleton merchant isn't actually a undead but rather some sort of being using a skeleton as a body or something but you also have the alternative of

[wanton pendant]

Skeleton Merchant is just a really thin capitalist.

[leaden bridge]

Or does he?

[west plume]

i think it's more likely that skeleton merchant was animated using life magic than necromancy since skeleton merchant is ostensibly just a person that lives underground

[wanton pendant]

Silva was drunk.

[plucky juniper]

eh i dunno

[long bloom]

did you do the gandalf idk vote

[raven brook]

the skeleton merchant is just like that. hes built different.

dont question it he's just like that

[timber glacier]

But like the thing is he seems to be an actual skeleton since like zombies actually shimmer into skeletons and the skeleton merchant also follows that rule

[west plume]

if calamitas let go of the spell binding her brothers they'd fall on the floor spamton neo style and not get back up

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

nobody knows why hes like that

he just is

hes fucked up dont question it

[plucky juniper]

i think its better to just assume there's some goated necromancer before calamitas, and all thats left of their work is the skeleton merchant

[heavy sail]

maybe he's a ghost, like sir nautilus from fables?

[long bloom]

does she need to be actively casting it or is it automatic

[wanton pendant]

Too bad Sir Nautilus isn't real...

[heavy sail]

a ghost tied to his old bones

[west plume]

active casting

[raven brook]

sir nautilus and fables operates different from how calamity works

[timber glacier]

Skeleton merchant is actually secretly the god of calcium after absorbing the soul of the dragon of milk

[long bloom]

damn

[raven brook]

not really a good point of reference i dont think

entire diff worldbuilding and stories

[raven brook]

this is a fun headcanon

i like this headcanon

[plucky juniper]

its kinda lame when all the best figures are today

[raven brook]

i think the skeleton merchant should just remain unexplained forever. make some shit up its ok