lore-discussion

[meager prism]

Ohhhhhhh

[split mortar]

Oh garbo

[meager prism]

Sorry i just got confused by the puppet part

[high bear]

Im confused by everything

[meager prism]

Mb gng 🙁

[high bear]

Im asking why are we here

Now Im asking abt this and that

[split mortar]

The terrarians lore is up to you

[high bear]

To know why we’re here

[meager prism]

Up to you!!!

[high bear]

Sure
Sure

Is the lore items yharims way of contacting us

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[high bear]

How does he do it

[split mortar]

“Why are we here” you decide
The terrarian is intentionally a blank slate for you to br able to put your own headcanons and stuff

[wanton pendant]

Rock phone.

[high bear]

Rock phone?

[wanton pendant]

Either that or he just yells really loud.

[split mortar]

The whispers are well
Yharim psychically whispering in your ear

[high bear]

So if I press shift is me like making a call to yharim type shit

On the lore item

[wanton pendant]

You're basically Yharim's favourite Twitch streamer.

[split mortar]

A proposed replacement for how the lore of the whispers will be implemented since they are a bit wack rn

[high bear]

So it’s like some rock device where we just make yharim tell us the boss lore shi?

[wanton pendant]

He does that on his own volition.

[high bear]

Anyways what has yharim been doing this whole time since the start until we defeat scal/exo as the final boss

[wanton pendant]

Because he wants you to be Yharim 2.

[wanton pendant]

Sitting in the Dragon Aerie.

And doing weights.

[high bear]

The gods did nothing to me so idk why

[split mortar]

Just been sitting around in the dragons aerie depressed he failed to genocide as good as he could

[high bear]

He wants me to be yharim 2

[high bear]

What’s that
The place mentioned in cynosure?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[high bear]

Ah ok

[split mortar]

Because he is unable to kill all the gods and us growing in strength so absurdly fast prolly makes him somewhat believe we can fight the god of the actual sun and win

[high bear]

Then what’s providence

[split mortar]

Ash goddess

[high bear]

If I don’t wanna kill the gods

[high bear]

Who’s that?

[split mortar]

They removed most or all sun connections in brainstorm
Due to a messy past a bunch of previous lore continuities are still here now and then like signus title sadly

[split mortar]

Providence

You asked what providence was
She is the ash goddess

[high bear]

Then what’s the god of the actual sun

[split mortar]

Xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc.

[high bear]

Ah ok

Xerocs the guy yapping in boss rush right?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[split mortar]

Yeah they make it on the spot as a test

[high bear]

What’s xeroc been doing all this time again?

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc stuff.

[high bear]

Didn’t wanna listen to his yapping

I wanna do boss rush not ur story

I’ve heard a gazillion of those already

[split mortar]

We dont know for sure
Probably doom slayering the distortion or smth
Def not being active on terraria though since only yharim and yharon know of the guy

[high bear]

What is the crusade?
Yharims vengeance thing to kill the gods and their followers?

[split mortar]

Yeah its the name for the war on all gods

[high bear]

Ah ok

Ima read the lore items and ask abt this and that so uh yea

Not on my pc so I’ll read from the wiki

[split mortar]

Do remember that yharim is incredibly biased so take almost everything he says with a spoonful of salt

[high bear]

Biased on who?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

On himself.

He thinks he's the good guy.

[high bear]

Ah ok

[split mortar]

Biased to painting the gods bad and making himself seem good and also biased to making some of his ex allies seem bad and also sometimes just not knowledgeable on the topic yet acts in full confidence

[high bear]

Have the gods treated others the same as yharim?

I think I asked that before just a few minutes ago

[split mortar]

Not all gods are unified, many were bad but he also killed almost all the good ones

[high bear]

Did he know that?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[high bear]

Then why kill them

[split mortar]

Because to be a god they have to end a dragon forever

[high bear]

Wdym?

[split mortar]

Which itself is not a purely black and white thing

[wanton pendant]

You gotta absorb the soul of an Auric Dragon.

[mighty zenith]

because he thinks they all deserve to die for absorbing a dragon's soul to ascend

[high bear]

Oh that

[mighty zenith]

it doesnt matter if the dragon was evil and the god was good or vice versa

[split mortar]

Auric dragons (the type yharon are) have a special auric soul that let yharon bring them back from the dead in the aerie allowing the entire race to be effectively immortal
These dragon souls also had domains which were incredibly powerful
Ascending to godhood required you to fuse your soul and the dragons soul effectively erasing the dragon and ending the cycle of rebirth for it

[mighty zenith]

in his eyes they dont deserve to live

[high bear]

Damn

Is yharon like dead dead?

[split mortar]

No

[high bear]

Or no

No

What abt his soul fragments we use

[split mortar]

Yharon will hatch in a decade

[mighty zenith]

he is the dragon of rebirth so he will be back eventually

[split mortar]

Pencil shavings of a mountain

[mighty zenith]

those are basically crumbs

[high bear]

Ah ok

So yharim didn’t like that?

[mighty zenith]

he definitely didnt but he also didn't care enough to stop yharon

or you

he's just waiting for you to get to him

[high bear]

Whats yharons connection with yharim
What’s that before the crusade or before his torture?

[wanton pendant]

BFFs.

[high bear]

Stop yharon from getting himself killed?

[high bear]

When did they become bffs and why

[mighty zenith]

from risking his life to kill you, yes

[split mortar]

Yharon will come back so its mostly fine

[wanton pendant]

Yharon stopped Yharim from being executed.

[high bear]

Ah ok makes sense

Did that make his prejudice against the gods stronger?

[mighty zenith]

its basically what started it

[high bear]

Wait when did yharim learn abt ascension?

[wanton pendant]

When the gods told him.

[pulsar ocean]

why didn’t yharon just give up his soul so yharim ascends and slimes xeroc instead of killing himself

[high bear]

Ok

[wanton pendant]

Too racist to consider it.

[mighty zenith]

the reason he was gonna be executed is because he refused to absorb yharon's soul

as he was ordered to by the gods that raised him

[high bear]

Ok first question

What does he mean by

Surely this does not concern u either

[wanton pendant]

You killed the Eye of Cthulhu.
There will be more.
He doesn't really care and doesn't think you should.

[high bear]

Why so?

[wanton pendant]

To him, they're cannon fodder.

[split mortar]

Its just a big creation from the crimson/corruption worrying too much about each big thing from those biomes just ain’t worth the effort
At least to him

[high bear]

Question 2

Is the way he talks his bias?

Idk

[wanton pendant]

He's blaming the gods for the Crimson here.
Even though it's literally his fault.

[high bear]

Ah ok so it’s his bias

I gtg

[split mortar]

Cya

[high bear]

I’ll ask more later

[high bear]

Ok Im back

Another question

Who are they that Yharim mentions here

“how long since I was a hero worthy of their name?”

[leaden bridge]

[somber wren]

He's referring to his wings in that paragraph.

[leaden bridge]

(yharon's)

[high bear]

I see it now

[somber wren]

I thought Yharim might have his own pair, not just Yharon's

But being worthy of Yharon's resplendent wings also makes sense.

[high bear]

I sound dumb now

So from the corruption and crimson is Yharim basically saying

Fuck should’ve disposed their bodies properly

And

Look at this bad land, proves how bad the gods are

[split mortar]

Yeah

[high bear]

Another question

Does this make us a bad person

I mean

Queen bee is an optional boss isn’t she?

So we just like raided a beehive and just

Killed her without much reason?

To those who like defeat her

[split mortar]

Eh depends on situation imo
Breaking the larva is comedically easy to do in accident in which case its just self defence against an animal you accidentally angered
And its still a bug idk how much it morally affects someone to intentionally hunt one

[leaden bridge]

It's genuinely kind of a whatever im ngl

Even if you're intentionally hunting one it's not just for sport, there's a purpose. Might not be most moral guy ever but who gives a shit

[split mortar]

Yeah

[hoary cape]

I have literally had a Larva be destroyed off screen

My summons like to break them

[scenic kraken]

I mean

The Beekeeper

[high bear]

Wonder why the devs made plantera bulbs harder to break on accident but not larvas

[light linden]

tbf plantera needs a lot more space than queen bee to dodge

[gusty robin]

The terrarian is definitely a horrible person

[hoary cape]

No

That's up to you actually

[mighty zenith]

say the line bart...

[hoary cape]

If you think your terrarian is a horrible person that's your choice

[wanton pendant]

If you think you can match a hog... you don't stand a chance.

[scenic kraken]

What if

I want to Marry Yharim

[long bloom]

uh

you can try

[scenic kraken]

Nah, I don't have any shape way of doing that...

Screw it, Calamitas, I got a ring to put on yo finger 🗣️🗣️🗣️

(the flamsteed ring)

What?

[split mortar]

She aro ace

[scenic kraken]

A

Aight plan b

Anahita

[wanton pendant]

That would kill you.

[long bloom]

uh
you can try

[wheat walrus]

a fucking water elemental but the aroace person is the problem

[scenic kraken]

99.9% percent of failure
0.1% of success

And I LOVE gambling

[zenith geode]

0% chance of success actually

[wanton pendant]

I think you need a second opinion.

[split mortar]

I do not think you are able to get with kyoger

[scenic kraken]

Solyn

And we open a bakery

[wanton pendant]

Solyn existed.

[long bloom]

she is very much not alive

[wanton pendant]

She was a great lamp.

[scenic kraken]

...oh yeah...

u h h h h h h h

[wheat walrus]

just no one

[scenic kraken]

The Party Girl

[long bloom]

[scenic kraken]

(Shimmered*

[wanton pendant]

Weird Al Yankovic beat you to it.

[scenic kraken]

Fawk

Mechanic is with Goblin

[scenic kraken]

I just noticed your pfp is actually just a water dude

I thought it was sideways alucard

[wanton pendant]

A-ALUCARD!?

[long bloom]

whuh

[wanton pendant]

At least it wasn't green anime girl again.

[scenic kraken]

like

[zenith geode]

ehhhhi cant see it

[scenic kraken]

This fucking render

[scenic kraken]

Gumiiiii

[wheat walrus]

[long bloom]

his pfp is actually an edited version of this

[scenic kraken]

THE PEPSI BLOB?!

PEPSIMAN (YOUTH) ?!

[sinful adder]

It's based on the water wraith so perhaps it should be called the Pepsi Phantom

[pulsar ocean]

i thought it was a weird frog

[magic epoch]

soda spectre works better due to the Ss having the same sound, unlike pepsi phantom's Ps. you could also try pepsi poltergeist.

[sinful adder]

Oh true

Pepsi polterghast

Anyways, the Water Wraith is a creature from Pikmin

[brazen coral]

👍

pikmin 2

hell demon from hell

[wanton pendant]

WaterWraithGaming.

[magic epoch]

PepseiPoltergeistPodcasts

[magic epoch]

PepsiPoltergeistPodcasts

[wanton pendant]

Dear God.

[soft flame]

[pulsar ocean]

bread

[icy veldt]

Thaddeus (Assault Marine Sergeant, Blood Ravens 4th Company)

[hoary cape]

WWG god of snails

[wanton pendant]

Oh no, not again!

[hoary cape]

Esgargoth

[timber glacier]

Would the dragon whose soul was absorved by a god of snail have domain over like sloth or something 🤔

[raven brook]

dragon of colorful sea slugs

[magic epoch]

Escargoth.

[high bear]

When can we ever capture the slime god

Fortune don’t do shit

[timber glacier]

Queen slime is currently canonically slime god trapped in a new slime paladin it was making and when we kill her slime god also dies

[long bloom]

queen slime

yeah what quinn said

[high bear]

Wait really?

Damn

[wanton pendant]

Slime God is the crystal thing.

[timber glacier]

It is very confusing and there are some plans that might cause that to change but thats how it is currently

[high bear]

If we killed Queen slime then what does yharim mean in the last sentence

Or this is outdated

[gusty jetty]

That one must chase the gods to the end

IE providence and the like

[high bear]

Ah ok

[gusty jetty]

That's my guess

[high bear]

Oh

Sure

[timber glacier]

Probably what its trying to say but it is a bit weird

[wanton pendant]

Yharim wants you to be Genocide Jr.

[gusty jetty]

Slime God is killed with Queen Slime

[high bear]

So when I like defeat all the bosses

I killed 2 Gods in the process?

[wanton pendant]

Eh, arguably more.

[high bear]

Slime god and providence?

Who

[wanton pendant]

Since there's also Ravager.

But that's undead.

And then Hive Mind and Perforators.

[gusty jetty]

Hivemind/Perferators

[wanton pendant]

Which are... dead?

[timber glacier]

Ravager, perforators and hive mind are all kinda undead gods so they kinda do and don’t count as killing

[gusty jetty]

But those two are amelgamates

[high bear]

Aren’t those remains

[wanton pendant]

Remains of gods.

Lots of gods.

[high bear]

Lots?

[wanton pendant]

Hell, Wall of Flesh is also stuffed with them.

[high bear]

Damn that’s a lot

[gusty jetty]

You don't get the corruption/crimson without slaughtering at least 13 gods

Then Silva is at the bottom of the sulphurous sea

[timber glacier]

Also the hallow is made of dead good god remains

[wanton pendant]

That's what we in the business call a Crusader's Dozen.

[high bear]

Who is ilmeris and silva

[timber glacier]

Ilmeris was a city and it was where the sunken sea is

It got destroyed

[wanton pendant]

Ilmeris was a country.

[timber glacier]

SiIva is a god who was the goddess of life and also the “nature elemental”, who is currently in a comatose state

[high bear]

Ah ok

[wanton pendant]

Silva is a goddess.

Both are Yharim victims.

[high bear]

Is azafure the underworld city

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[light linden]

is it said exactly what she is rn other than not quite alive or dead?

[high bear]

That also made the sulphorus sea the way it is?

[wanton pendant]

She's knocked out.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[high bear]

How about the abyss?

Also azafure?

[wanton pendant]

That's above Azafure.

[high bear]

Huh?

[timber glacier]

Silva will not wake up ever in gameplay if I remmeber correctly

[wanton pendant]

The Azafurians didn't leave in the crushing depths of a deep sea trench.

Because they would die.

[high bear]

I don’t get it

[high bear]

Didn’t?

[wanton pendant]

Humans lived there.
Humans can't breathe water.

[high bear]

Ok

[high bear]

Wdym by that

[raven brook]

its literally above it

[high bear]

If azafure is the underworld

[wanton pendant]

It's literally above it.

[raven brook]

the brimstone crags are the remains of azafure

[wanton pendant]

Like, go in-game and look.

[timber glacier]

Azafure was where the brimstone crag is

[raven brook]

you literally said yourself, underworld city

[high bear]

Then what are the buildings we see in the underworld that aren’t in the crags

Not azafure?

[wanton pendant]

Other cities.

[timber glacier]

Probably just other houses from other hell civilisations

[high bear]

Ah ok

[spark kindle]

arent the obsidian houses owned by the demons

[raven brook]

p sure theyre suppoesd to be yeah

[high bear]

About the mech bosses

Did yharim willingly let draedon use his troops to fuel them?
Or the troops willingly did that to themselves

[raven brook]

The latter, they volunteered

[long scaffold]

latter

[high bear]

Weren’t they also fueled by some dragon soul thing

Ah ok

[raven brook]

The mechs are utmostly loyal to yharim even after death

No

[wanton pendant]

No.

[high bear]

Ok

[raven brook]

You're confusing with Auric Souls, which there is only one left of, that being Yharon

[wanton pendant]

Even if Yharim could get his hands on an Auric Soul, he would use it to ressurect dragons, not as petrol.

[raven brook]

Yharim's entire cause is to avenge the death of the auric dragons and he would never, under any circumstances use an auric soul for his own desires

[spark kindle]

until 257483 when calamity adds xeroc and we find out hes just zeratros in disguise

[high bear]

Wait let me read draedons thing abt mech bosses

[long scaffold]

What is the lore behind the pillars again

[spark kindle]

theyre made from fragments of the auric souls or something

and theyre fovos' army

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord eats dragons and turns them into mob spawners.

[raven brook]

yeah the pillars are made from auric souls/fragments thereof that moonlord consumed

pretty much

[spark kindle]

why didnt the moon lord consume an auric soul himself

is he stupid

[wanton pendant]

He did.

And used it to make mob spawners.

[spark kindle]

oh

yeah that checks out

[raven brook]

Solar = (Fragment of) Primordial Light
Vortex = (Fragment of) Storms
Stardust = (Fragment of) Life
Nebula = Mind

Theoretically Mind could've also been a fragment but

THe fact we know all 3 other souls would go on to be absorbed by gods

and Mind seemingly hasn't

makes me think yeah no dude just got eaten

[spark kindle]

mind has a skill issue

[long scaffold]

Why isn't Solar a lot more powerful?

[raven brook]

mind dragon got gobbled up

[long scaffold]

since Primordial Light is kind of overpowered

[raven brook]

"i am the mind dragon" said mind dragon

[wanton pendant]

That's only on the high end.

[high bear]

Ok I got it cleared how mech bosses are fueled

[spark kindle]

very small fragment it seems

[raven brook]

"mind gobblin deez nuts" and then ml ate him

[raven brook]

It's only a small shard of it

[spark kindle]

especially with how strong xeroc became anyways

[wanton pendant]

On the low end it's... well, Solar Fragment tier.

Rod of Discord is also Primordial Light and it doesn't even do damage... to enemies.

[raven brook]

it does kinda imply that xeroc ascended without even a fully powered primordial loight soul

which is kinda fucked up to think about

[long scaffold]

then again teleporting is nothing to scoff at

[raven brook]

dudes this strong already

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but you can do the same with the power of friendship or wires.

[raven brook]

most sun based weapons can be inferred to be primordial light or adjacent

and theres some you can get as early as pre hm si

so

primordial light isnt universally comically overpowered

[spark kindle]

xeroc with a full power soul would literally just be the average "qol" user

[long scaffold]

Power of friendship beats Primordial Light
Who's the dragon and god of friendship

[raven brook]

its more so that having control of hte fucking sun is a little

a little strong.

[raven brook]

the kind providence

[long scaffold]

okay

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Community, God of Friendship.

[long scaffold]

I thought she was the goddess of yuri

[spark kindle]

the sun is a deadly laser

[raven brook]

the kind and benevolent providence

donates to charities and feeds hungry children

thank you providence ❤️‍🩹

[spark kindle]

it wouldve been really funny if someone consumed the auric soul of whimsy and wonder

only to become the god of doom and despair

[long scaffold]

Don't auric souls only slightly adjust the domain?

Fire -> Ash...

Uh

[spark kindle]

oh yeah

[long scaffold]

Idk the rest

[spark kindle]

ash seems so mid

[long scaffold]

Being fat -> slime

[wanton pendant]

Depends.

[spark kindle]

the goddess of cremations

[high bear]

Guys if I summon yharon enough times

Could it be possible to eventually gather all his soul fragments into one like auric soul type shi to ascend
Or im just high?

[long scaffold]

Ik Xeroc and Silva are one-to-one

Are others really far off?

[raven brook]

divine domains are adjacent to the dragon's original domains

[long scaffold]

yeah

[raven brook]

and morphed by the ascendee's personality, ideals, and traits

[long scaffold]

thought so

[wanton pendant]

That's due to having performed a perfect ascension.

[raven brook]

there is no particular specifications for it

[wanton pendant]

Like, look at Order.

[long scaffold]

With funny rock

[spark kindle]

why did the terminus lose its power again

[wanton pendant]

We don't know if it did.

[raven brook]

it can be something symbolically similar, a similar element to the original or even something thats antonym to it like order -> chaos under the right circumstances

[spark kindle]

i mean

xeroc says it himself

[wanton pendant]

"They know that the boundless power it was once able to provide can no longer be taken advantage of."

That doesn't say it doesn't have power, just that it can't be used.

[long scaffold]

I forgot boss rush existed honestly

[long scaffold]

what about Yharon?

[spark kindle]

xeroc took it i guess

[wanton pendant]

Like, I don't know, the use of it for ascending being unfeasible due to a lack of souls or knowledge on how.

[spark kindle]

just beat yharon 1000 times

[wanton pendant]

That would take 10,000 years.

[spark kindle]

in lore i guess

ingane itd take a few days

ingame

[wanton pendant]

Let's say it takes three minutes to beat Yharon.
1000 fights would take 3000 minutes.
That's 50 hours.
That's just over two days of non-stop Yharon action.

[spark kindle]

well 3 minutes would be with pre yharon gear

realistically you can beat it sub minute with endgame stuff

[long scaffold]

What if the Terrarian just uses Dragon Lens

[spark kindle]

they have to pass the test first

dub

duh

[wanton pendant]

That would still be 16 hours.

[spark kindle]

thats doable

2 hours a day for a week and youve got it

[light linden]

2 times 7 = 14

[spark kindle]

close enough

[long scaffold]

You don't have anything better to do on the weekend

Make them 3

[spark kindle]

3 and a half

take it or leave it

[long scaffold]

leave it

[agile matrix]

speedrun

someone beat the game in 30 minutes

back in like 2023 but whatever

and using glitches

but still

[wanton pendant]

Yharim watching a homeless guy pick up his missing phone and then somehow break into his house half an hour later.

[raw nest]

What does calamitas mean when saying we never had any stakes in this battle, and how no one gave us any say in this matter?

[light linden]

outdated dialogue

[pulsar ocean]

the terrarian never has stakes because we do every boss first try

[long bloom]

you (probably) weren't personally scorned by yharim to the point of gaining this much power to kill him

but yeah ancient dialogue

written before new lore yadda yadda

[noble falcon]

Maybe you do, I tend to get a goodly beating by numerous bosses

[raw nest]

Bruh I thought the dialogue was rewritten when scal had a resprite which is around the lore rewrite

[long bloom]

they're saying respawning isn't canon

[noble falcon]

Yes I’m aware

[long bloom]

it was written in 1.5

the lore rewrite was 2.0.2

[raw nest]

Ok

[scenic kraken]

Yharim owed the guy 5 bucks

[golden root]

Is there somewhere I can find older renditions of the calamity lore?

[split mortar]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14H0fmHigzvTxbQ1ipWOhD9bpN-49tN6cCs6Jb4QZRLw/edit?usp=drivesdk
i think this

[golden root]

what year is this from?

is this 2018-2019?

[split mortar]

I just know its what xzier sends people when they ask fro a old lore doc

[high bear]

When I saw this message during my fight with scal i was like

Damn this is me

Through the power of unconsumable summoning items I rose to power

[wanton pendant]

All her dialogue is outdated.

So it shouldn't be taken too seriously.

[hoary cape]

Take it very seriously. Esgargoth is never wrong

[agile matrix]

its old but this is a good one

makes calamitas sound a bit too grandmotherly than id like but thats my burden

[stark flame]

What is Calamitas's birthday?

[wanton pendant]

I have calulated it to sometime in the third quarter of the year.

[split mortar]

Are you among the autistic cal lore critics

[wanton pendant]

It was important to understand the timing of things.

[long bloom]

2021 i think

it mentions exos but also says they're not released

[wanton pendant]

All I'm hearing is that you're adding the table slam attack.

[stark flame]

Is Calamitas 5 feet 4 inches tall?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

And sure, they tell me that's 'average' but come on. She's short.

[long bloom]

✅

[stark flame]

[light linden]

do we know the average height in calamity?

[wanton pendant]

We know the heights of two people.

[long bloom]

and a robot

[light linden]

one of which is like

comically tall

[long bloom]

yeah

[dense lynx]

So. Is Yharim above mountain power level?

[zenith geode]

yharim is strong

[long bloom]

his biggest proposed feat we know of is cleaving a quite small mountain in half with a single swing

i'll let you do the math

[split mortar]

City level is the aim for the power of scal/yharim level characters iirc
Though not that many feats is known

[dense lynx]

It was said Calamitas to be island level

Or was that Xeroc

[long bloom]

probably xeroc

[split mortar]

Xeroc has more statements with mountain level of some kind then island level iirc

But dev statement hell torture

[long bloom]

yeah dev statements about powerscaling are very unreliable

especially since most are super old

[split mortar]

And by an ex dev

[plucky juniper]

im still reeling from the "a blackhole cannot survive xeroc's microwave beam"

[sacred pilot]

I'd probably say Xeroc and Noxus are country level.

[pulsar ocean]

2nd of may

calculated by vibes

[wanton pendant]

Nah, it would never fit in the timeline.

[pulsar ocean]

shut up

[wanton pendant]

:(

[tropic oak]

xeroc

[plucky juniper]

yes, the eldritch abomination that is probably responsible for several beings with extreme power and apparently is an existential threat to the world is a country level

[agile matrix]

he could reasonably destroy a country

[split mortar]

Country level means like oneshotting a country not that its their max level of destruction before running out of energy iirc

If it meant the second definition then calamitas would be like country level or smth 😭

[agile matrix]

calamitas is ocean level

[split mortar]

She did not even destroy a full sea bruh

[pure patrol]

if they're so "country-level" how do they not destroy the blocks of the world??? 🤦

Lava Slime is the most powerful being

[magic epoch]

so i have news…

calamity makes them… not drop lava… so sorry

[pure patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-26206182

oh i forgot i have no rights here

[magic epoch]

That's not even omniman 😭

[pure patrol]

i've no idea why it's called that 😭

i searched 'homelander'

[plucky lichen]

Hello lore

What’s something loreous

[wanton pendant]

Gay people are canon.

[timber glacier]

Calamity mod gone woke

[plucky lichen]

Well of course

We all know about yharims multiple homosexual divorces

[wanton pendant]

Yes, we all know Yharim is a great depiction of a homophobic gay man.

[timber glacier]

Yharim is so angry at his gay exes (draedon, mutant and pirate) that he now has become incredibly homophobic and aims to kill all the gays gods in revenge

[wanton pendant]

PIRATE!?

Putting him there before Permafrost is crazy.

[timber glacier]

Oh yeah fair

He has like 5 exes its hard to keep count

[wanton pendant]

Also since I'm fairly certain Mutant is the shed muscle of the Terrarian of a previous timeline, technically...

[timber glacier]

Terrarian X yharim yaoi

But fun fact: yharim had actually changed his name after his 8 gay divorces, from yharim (where the h stands for homosexual) to yharim (where the h stands for homophobic)

[robust osprey]

PIRATE YHARIM YAOI?!

HOLD ON THIS IS A NEW ONE

[timber glacier]

Clearly yharims big red plume hair thing is meant to represent his eternal love for his first lover’s giant red beard despite the flame of their passion dimming

[high bear]

How outdated?

[wanton pendant]

Most NPC dialogue is modern enough to not overtly contradict anything but it's like, ancient.
Like, Amidias won't mention any Jungle Tyrants but his personality is not finished.

Calamitas doesn't speak even remotely like what her updated dialogue in the tooltips is like.

[high bear]

Tooltips from what?

[wanton pendant]

Exhumed items.

[high bear]

Ah ok

[gaunt harness]

I think this is the plan for my novel, roughly. This was translated by AI, so there might be some noun errors, but it's fine as long as the general meaning gets across.

[wanton pendant]

I can only assume it's butchered it.

Since some of those notes are... very questionable.

[leaden bridge]

really funny to say man

im sorry but thats rlly funny to say

like yeah thats a good book

and i 100% understand what you mean

but you didnt rlly have to mention that part

[gaunt harness]

That's right, there's no need for this (I don't know why I wanted to emphasize that point at the time)

[wanton pendant]

I think this is based on the old lore with a bunch of new lore also put in and... Overhaul?

[leaden bridge]

yes

[gaunt harness]

A lot of those things were just created to patch up bugs in the old lore. They were actually thought up before I fully learned about the new lore. But I was still pleasantly surprised when I found the similarities.

Actually, my first encounter with the Dragon Era was through this text. The old lore did have something similar to the new lore's Dragon Era, but I haven't found the original text for it on the wiki yet. Given that Calamity once had scrapped dragon designs like the Mammoth Dragon, I figured this part was probably true, so I ended up expanding on it quite a bit.

[wanton pendant]

Old lore having something like the Draconic Age?
I don't recall anything even slightly like that.

[gaunt harness]

Yeah, I'm not sure either — it's not even included in the Google doc. But I actually found it way back in 2021 in one of the translation team's texts.

[leaden bridge]

larp larp larp sahur

Post 1.5 pre fta adult eidolon wyrm bestiary

[gaunt harness]

Thanks for the tip — I tracked it down in the earliest version of the wiki's bestiary. That's definitely where it was.

[leaden bridge]

I think yharon's bestiary from the time is also relevant

[gaunt harness]

This

[leaden bridge]

dude.

Is that perhaps

anyways the idea was that killing yharon brought back the dragons and it was beautiful

[brazen coral]

we should bring back the dragons

[timber glacier]

maybe not some seemed kinda evil

[robust osprey]

what would you prefer

evil ass flame dragon or evil ass ash god

[humble fog]

Perchance

[cosmic zenith]

I would personally pick the dragon

[raven brook]

between them he's the lesser evil

hard to be worse than ms omnicide

[eager bluff]

the flame dragon is a dick but i dont think he would like

actively hunt me down because i exist

[west plume]

dragon

[robust osprey]

this only proves that yharim is right and every god is worse than the dragon they killed

no exceptions

[west plume]

Would you rather have an asshole exist or have mega super turbo mecha hitler impose an age of darkness and torture her followers for as long she lives

[latent bolt]

is it bad that even in the old calamity lore i never believed Yharim to be a Lihzahrd

it was genuinely inconceiveable to me since iirc he looked down upon the lihzahrds

[cosmic zenith]

I don't think he did in that old lore...?

[long bloom]

i vaguely remember that he did

[long bloom]

but this is because yharim being a lihzahrd was changed before his design was even finished

> feet shouldn't have claws

[plucky juniper]

i only recently looked into the text of this a few months ago

and there's something hard about repurposing the throne of your old great foe as a greatsword

[raven brook]

thats true its auraful

[long bloom]

nods

[raven brook]

i still really like the hammerhead design for yharim's helmet

a shame that it didn't last long enough to establish itself as a part of his iconic silhouette

[long bloom]

i prefer the smaller fins personally

[timber glacier]

I wonder how much of the yharim whispers are yharim trying to gaslight us into like seeing his view as the good one and how much of it he genuinely believes and is just wrong about

[latent bolt]

would the New Lore's version of Yharim have hewn his personal weapons from the thrones and temples of the first Gods he wiped out

[timber glacier]

honestly having like a sword formed from the thrones of like the god of dogma would be really cool for yharry to have

[sacred pilot]

I fw the idea.

We do know that new lore Yharim has like.

A bunch of weapons rather than just the sword.

[timber glacier]

I doubt he just has a sword otherwise the fight would honestly be kinda boring when we get to fight him

[long bloom]

archon said she wants to give him an auric knuckleblaster

[latent bolt]

id specifically make the original sword formed from the throne that Yharim himself was being raised up to take as part of the cults related to the Gods of Dogma and War

[pulsar ocean]

yharim being a lihzard would be so fudging awesome

[latent bolt]

Was Queen Slime being a Slime God rematch being retconned or is that 100% staying

[wanton pendant]

It hasn't been retconned yet.

And it's not 'a' Slime God, Slime God is inside of it.

[real glen]

bro used too much hallow power so hallow absorbed it instead

making it uncontrollable

[latent bolt]

ahhh

[mighty zenith]

a slime god rematch

[timber glacier]

Slime god is potentially planned to be tier swapped with calamitas clone so like I’d assume if that happens queen slime won’t be like actually containing slime god anymore

[latent bolt]

hmmm... thats true

[timber glacier]

I think I remember hearing that qs would then be like a rogue paladin of slime god or something

[orchid hawk]

i love this idea

[timber glacier]

It is a really good idea and would help slime god actually be a notable fight and not have like 2 slime bosses only seperated by wof

[orchid hawk]

also makes the cal clone really look like a clone

since it's even weaker

[timber glacier]

Also calamitas clone being the penultimate boss of pre-hardmode would be very fitting since actual calamitas is the penultimate boss of the entire game when yharim gets added

[orchid hawk]

i'm assuming if that idea goes through both of their reworks would happen at the same time as the tierswap]

[orchid hawk]

🔥

[latent bolt]

true

would the retiered Calamitas Clone be required to be fought pre-Wall of Flesh?

[timber glacier]

Probably not I’d assume since like calamity doesn’t really force its own bosses to be fought to fight vanilla ones

[wanton pendant]

She should look like Calamitas.
They eyeball thing makes no sense.

[orchid hawk]

it made sense when scal was an eye

but now it doesn't

[wanton pendant]

Hell, the reason for that was that she was cursed.

And that curse was after they made the clone.

Did they curse the clone too?

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if calclone gets redesigned what will happen to like the minion that summons her and her brothers will they be redesigned or just left as is in reference to the old design

[orchid hawk]

might get redesigned to look like clone versions of the brothers and cal

[wanton pendant]

Summoning items aren't narrative elements almost always so it probably wouldn't be a high priority.

[timber glacier]

I’d imagine itd then get a rework since isn’t it kinda an optic staff pseudo upgrade

[orchid hawk]

thought that message was talking about whether the brother clones in the fight and the soul seekers would get resprited

[timber glacier]

Which make sense with eye cal clone but like without that it would be weird

[wanton pendant]

Oh I thought you meant the summoning item.

[timber glacier]

No I meant the minion summon

Like the summoner weapon

[orchid hawk]

shi might get removed

idk

[timber glacier]

Entropy’s vigil

I kinda feel like it could keep its old designs as like kind of a homage to the classic designs but also I could see it being reworked

[orchid hawk]

idk if i've even used that thing before besides mobbing to get a better weapon for plantera

but after 2.1 i just rush to get vengeful sun

[latent bolt]

i like to think that the redesigned calamitas clone is both a machine and a biological clone
perhaps meant to show an allusion to how Calamitas and Draedon work near the endgame

[orchid hawk]

and then use that until i get fuel cell bundle

[timber glacier]

Actually I doubt it’d get removed since it exhumes into cinders of lament and like it is like the perfect item to exhume into that

Though I guess the potential re-tier could mean it gets dramatically nerfed to be fair for prehardmode

[wanton pendant]

Would require a bunch of retconning.

[latent bolt]

like at least 1 to 3 of the clone's weapon drops would be exhumed into items specifically pertaining to calamitas and her brothers

[timber glacier]

1 of the 4 already do exhume like that

[latent bolt]

i specifically looked into one of the lore documents and it explicitly said that it was a machine that housed a failed clone

[timber glacier]

Though honestly it would be cool if all the weapon drops directly from cal clone did actually have exhumes

[orchid hawk]

has the enchanting system even been looked at since 1.5

[wanton pendant]

That's the justification for the current sprite.

There is literally no explanation for where the machine comes from.

Like, who built it?
Draedon?
Why would he have something like that lying around and why is the clone inside of it?

[trim edge]

does the clone have some of calamitas' memories

since it spawns brothers

[wanton pendant]

Unknown.

The clone has seen Calamitas, so it's not unreasonable to think Calamitas used her brothers to break her out of the lab and that's where she learned it from.

[timber glacier]

I will say it does feel odd that theres only magic and summoner exhumed weapons instead of at least one for each class, like I get prioritising those classes that are similar to calamitas’ attacks but like there kinda should be one for each class at least

[latent bolt]

idk why there are two calamitas-themed spelltomes

[orchid hawk]

this makes sense

more brothers themed weapons please!!

[timber glacier]

Well she is a sorceress so like y’know

[latent bolt]

true

[timber glacier]

Wait hold on true

[wanton pendant]

I want to konw what the deal with this thing is.
It has barely any connection to Calamitas and it's literally a question mark.

[timber glacier]

Give me a sword like cataclysms and let me punch like catastrophe

[latent bolt]

idea... rethemed crushsaw crasher and havoc's breath

[trim edge]

draedon's heart had to be repaired by nanomachines after it was broken by yharim... this is so sad...

[timber glacier]

Their divorce was so horrible that… wait horrible oh god oh no oh hog

[orchid hawk]

hog

[timber glacier]

But honestly hear me out for an exhume of oblivion (the cal clone yoyo weapon) that makes it into that big rift thing she summons in the fight

Still a yoyo but actually cool and aura

[wanton pendant]

Whispering Maelstrom.

[orchid hawk]

🔥

[wanton pendant]

Anyway, good idea, you should be in charge.

[timber glacier]

But honestly also having exhumes that are directly tied to each individual brother as well would also be great instead of just having only 1 weapon related to scal that has to represent both of them

[latent bolt]

catastrophe's blade and a cataclysm-themed fist weapon

[orchid hawk]

quinn said the same thing

like 5 mins ago

[timber glacier]

Maybe have the fist fire punches like catastrophe so it can be rogue

[latent bolt]

yeah

[timber glacier]

Or maybe just don’t give rogue anything cos its a fake class

[orchid hawk]

FUCK ROGUE

it deserves NOTHING

[latent bolt]

id have made the cataclysm one rogue if i want to keep Rogue

look at the theming of the two clone sibling weapons and tell me their designs aren't mismatched

[timber glacier]

Wait hear me out supreme calamitas has a really cool shield thing when she dashes imagine that as a shield of Cthulhu exhume

[orchid hawk]

eh

asgardian aegis seems more fitting

[timber glacier]

Both of them would make more sense as cataclysmic construct drops since one fits its theme and the other follows its attacks being a flamethrower

[timber glacier]

Actually yeah that’d be way better

[latent bolt]

Regenerator was based on a shield-based item from another franchise

yes there is a shield-based item from Calclone right there

[orchid hawk]

you know what

just give scal's entire attack kit to the player as exhumable items

mod of the decade

put me and quinn on the team

[timber glacier]

I think thats almost like how it is if you count the other enchantments

But like honestly there could definitely be a couple more exhumes to fill out the classes and also maybe even to give like a pinch more of lore to some of the parts of the fight like the individual brother or the giant black hole looking thing

Also maybe also there should be an exhume of a permafrost related item so like we could get a tooltip in witch calamitas talks about their relationship

[orchid hawk]

i always wondered why after killing both brothers whichever one you kill first takes the place of the second kill

[latent bolt]

ngl i feel like the direct weapon drops from supreme calamitas look like weapons that one could make from ashes of annihilation

they visibly resemble the demonshade set too

[timber glacier]

Ashes of annihilation are weird since like so few things are actually made from them

[latent bolt]

the same kind of applies to exo prisms in that very few items are directly made from them

[timber glacier]

They only make a dye, a block, a non-consumable scal summon item, an item you get for free from scal and shadowspec bars

[latent bolt]

in this regard the ashes of annihilation have less items directly made from them than exo prisms

[timber glacier]

Especially considering the kinds of items as non actually help you get stronger except really shadowspec

[orchid hawk]

probably because there's nothing really after those two bosses yet

[timber glacier]

While exo prisms have like miracle matter, gem tech armour, draedon’s forge and shadowspec

[orchid hawk]

will most likely get more recipes as more content is added to the game

[agile matrix]

its

spins wheel

hm hm hm hm

hmm hmm hmmmm

[timber glacier]

I do kinda hope that there are more stuff that like get obtainable after scal since like scal has so few unlocked weapons compared to exos with miracle matter

[agile matrix]

bloodborne

[wanton pendant]

That's only on Death since it was a Master mode change.

[orchid hawk]

it's a stinky change but it probably makes sense if i were to look deeper

[timber glacier]

Wait what do you mean by takes the place of the second kill i’m confused

[wanton pendant]

It's not like a lore thing, beyond she can just do that.

[agile matrix]

kill one brother, second one enrages

kill second one, first brother comes back, is enraged

[timber glacier]

Oh okay

[orchid hawk]

"when both brothers are killed, the first brother killed will respawn with 65% of its normal health."

[agile matrix]

kill them

[orchid hawk]

master mode change

[agile matrix]

idk why they do that but i Guess hype moments and aura

[timber glacier]

Thats an interesting thing

[orchid hawk]

i mean

[timber glacier]

Also now that I think about it hear me out what if an exhumed item literally had you summon the calamitas clone like in her bossfight (obviously if she gets reworked using the reworked version) like the size she has in the fight and like has her fight’s attacks

[orchid hawk]

devs had to do SOMETHING cool when fabsol allowed them to change one thing about one fight

since the brothers rework was added in bountiful harvest

when stinksol was still in charge

[mighty zenith]

i mean

how?

calclone isnt something calamitas can summon through magic like her brothers or sepulcher

she's a genetic clone

[timber glacier]

Uhhh fair point I guess

I guess also she like doesn’t summon the thing thats made from gruesome eminance which is also an exhume

[mighty zenith]

it'd make more sense for like, calamitas herself to show up as like a visage but idk if thats something she can do

only xeroc can make clones like that as far as we know

[timber glacier]

It actually will summon forgotten shadow of calamitas totally not the infernum version of the fight literally just calamitas’s actual shadow

[mighty zenith]

thats still a very magic thing

[agile matrix]

call upon calamitas's anger and have it blitz forward

thats kinda just ominious but

[timber glacier]

I do actually wonder what emotions scal feels towards the clone itself
Like does she feel bad for it and stuff or does her hate towards its creation outweigh any empathy

[mighty zenith]

i imagine she's more pissed at draedon about it over the clone itself

the fact she freed it leads me to believe she felt bad for it

[orchid hawk]

i'd be mad if someone cloned me and it wasn't nearly as strong as me

[split mortar]

Hi chat

[orchid hawk]

like imagine being on par with a god and somebody clones you and it's about as strong as a bodybuilder with a flamethrower

[mighty zenith]

thats mostly due to the fact calamitas wasnt born with her power

[timber glacier]

Honestly I’m now randomly imagining like a world where like scal broke it out of containment and tried to protect it like a little sibling like her brothers did with her

[mighty zenith]

she gained them somehow when the brimstone elemental woke up

they're not genetic

so calclone didnt inherit them, she was just a regular girl

like calamitas was

which, probably was quite traumatic to see... basically yourself before your life went to hell

[split mortar]

Scal sponge shrimple

[orchid hawk]

calamity mod tiktok is hell

[timber glacier]

I will say that is not represented in game right now since like she is literally the same fight with all the same kinds off atracks and stuff so like I’d assume theres a discrepancy between lore and current gameplay

[orchid hawk]

if i see one more "terraria isn't 2d minecraft" edit with infernum and wrath of the gods clips i'm going to lose it

[mighty zenith]

yep

calamity is very unfinished so

[orchid hawk]

when the time comes the scal fight will get some love

[timber glacier]

I meant moreso the clone for some reason being just weaker scal despite supposedly not having her powers

[split mortar]

Just show like
Literally any event or boss gameplay from vanilla

[split mortar]

The clone does have her powers now
Just
On a weaker level

The clone gained a but of her power when it got broken out

[orchid hawk]

i always like making fun of them because i know for a damn fact the clips that they use are NOT theirs

[timber glacier]

Okay that feels weird that it just randomly got them

[split mortar]

No not random?

[orchid hawk]

like no timothy6 with a sasuke pfp you did not nohit daytime infernum daytime empress of light to use as clips for your capcut free edition slideshow edit

[agile matrix]

correct me if im wrong but calclone was born with a fragment of cals power right

[mighty zenith]

not born

she gained them when scal freed her

which is reflective of the way scal got HER powers from brimmy

[split mortar]

Calamitas gained her powers suddenly when facing brimstone elemental and brimmy is now seemingly permanently weaker down to early hardmode level
Calclone when exposed to calamitas for a short period of time gained some brimstone magic as well

I dunno what to say other then calamitas just is a super absurd sponge for brimstone

[mighty zenith]

and just like how it ruined scal's life, calclone getting powers ruined her psyche

[timber glacier]

Okay I guess maybe there is some logic with it being like how scal got her powers but like still cal clone would be way more interesting if it was different

[split mortar]

Eh

[agile matrix]

aaah okay

[mighty zenith]

tbe issue is that calclone is barely a character

[timber glacier]

Also like didn’t calamitas get like equivalent power to brimmy when she got her powers but cal clone only got a fraction

[mighty zenith]

she just kinda has the same bitchy attitude that scal's current dialogue has

which is due for a rewrite

[split mortar]

Well yeah calclone was a lot more brief

[orchid hawk]

rn it's just filler

like most of the current content in calamity

[timber glacier]

Also what the hell are cal clone’s brothers like what even are they

[split mortar]

While brimmy and scal had a whole ass city destroying fight

[agile matrix]

if i took the list of all bosses currently in the mod and dug a trench using the depth of their characters, id dig a trench maybe 2 feet deep

[orchid hawk]

shit

[steady flower]

Isn't the Brimstone Elemental generally more weak?

[split mortar]

Have you SEEN what necromancy did to ravager

[mighty zenith]

well yeah

she was heavily weakened

[timber glacier]

I do personally hope cal clone’s personality kinda maybe even portays her as younger to like maybe in some ways like how calamitas was like as a kid or something idk

[mighty zenith]

because cal took most of her power

[agile matrix]

i love my boy draedon but MAN is he shallow

[steady flower]

Oh, so the Brimstone Elemental was considered almighty powerful at one point.

Got it.

[mighty zenith]

pretty much

[timber glacier]

I meant like not why do they look like I mean where the hell did they even come from

[orchid hawk]

an elemental for a reason

[split mortar]

@steady flower

[steady flower]

Yeah.

[split mortar]

From azafure?

[mighty zenith]

anyway, calclone really got the shorter end of the already short stick that calamitas got

[timber glacier]

No cal clone’s brothers

[split mortar]

Oh

[timber glacier]

Not actual calamitas

Were the hell did they come from

[mighty zenith]

she doesnt have any family, no home, no education, nothing

[sinful adder]

Calclone is... Honestly shouldn't be in current lore

[agile matrix]

who are the character with story as of right now?

[orchid hawk]

the stick was about 6 inches long and 5 went to DoG resprites

[agile matrix]

cal has some

[mighty zenith]

only powers she has no idea how to use

[timber glacier]

Did draedon clone calamitas’ brothers corpses

[agile matrix]

yharim is full

[sinful adder]

But we have to keep calclone because it's extremely iconic

[mighty zenith]

i meant in lore

[agile matrix]

he is big and full of lore AND character

[mighty zenith]

cal's life already sucks but calclone's life is hellish

[split mortar]

Theyre puppets controlled by magic meant to be replicating the brothers iirc

[orchid hawk]

i mean goes either way perfectly fine

[agile matrix]

permafrost kinda does

amidias has a bit

[steady flower]

I agree.

[sinful adder]

I had a redesign for calclone I talked about a few times but most people didn't seem to care too much

Maybe I should pitch it again

[mighty zenith]

i personally think calclone could be super interesting but currently its just nothing

like most cal bosses

[agile matrix]

draedons got like. a little character in there. the trench is miles long but thumb deep

[steady flower]

Isn't Calamitas Clone getting a full redesign?

[sinful adder]

Yes

[steady flower]

That is what I thought.

[split mortar]

Most bosses are eventually gonna get one

[sinful adder]

Please listen to my sick idea for Calamitas and calclone that I think could work really well

[steady flower]

I personally think Providence's sprite should not be different, for example.

[timber glacier]

Cal clone could like be really cool if it was used to dive into calamitas’ mental situation and psyche and stuff

[orchid hawk]

i sure do wonder what the next major update is gonna be

[steady flower]

I heard she was getting a resprite.

[agile matrix]

i really like draedon. i really do. his Only goal is the progression of science. we do not see very much outside of that with two exceptions beings

yharim alliance
the exo mechs

[orchid hawk]

i'm happy that it won't take 50 years for new content anymroe

[split mortar]

Oh providence design is a mess in new lore context the roots make zero sense

[agile matrix]

the labs are jokes we can break in with copper tools

[timber glacier]

Probably providence will likely get a resprite but like her design is too iconic to like fully change

[steady flower]

I see.

[orchid hawk]

heard stuff about doze making prov's fight better but nothing about new sprites (doze could also be lying)

[agile matrix]

doze messing with the roots boss?

shocking

[orchid hawk]

what dat mean

[steady flower]

I haven't been keeping up with Calamity's new lore, honestly.

[timber glacier]

Doze also is making a mod called roots if your refering to doze and roots

[steady flower]

Good times when I first played Calamity back in 2016, and it's now an entirely new mod with its own storyline.

[sinful adder]

Ok so. Calamitas should get a sort of sigil that represents them, and the sigil can be interpreted as an abstract depiction of what she looks like.

The Calamitas Clone should also match the sigil in an abstract sense, but rather it's negative space.

[agile matrix]

cals sigil should be the cal logo. i dont know why its not

[timber glacier]

Also random question why is crushsaw crasher used in a recipe but havoc’s breath isn’t like what why

[agile matrix]

eeyup

[timber glacier]

[orchid hawk]

no i was talking about doze saying something about making providence's fight better

i've been thinking about trying roots

[timber glacier]

Oh I was confused

[timber glacier]

Wait hold on your cooking

[agile matrix]

my condition for playing roots is the same as MoR and Cal Fables and i think starlight river: once they get content to at least moon lord or lunatic cultist, i will play

[timber glacier]

Like having in some ways at least cal clone’s be taking up the negative space of some part of calamitas would actually be really cool

[agile matrix]

MoR is going thru an overhaul and i am patient

[steady flower]

I have a small complaint about Noxus in Calamity's lore in particular.

[agile matrix]

shoot

[timber glacier]

What would be like an issue he don’t got any known lore yet

[agile matrix]

he has dog as a silly straw

[orchid hawk]

the way the cal community portrayed noxus did him dirty

[timber glacier]

[orchid hawk]

like why is he animated like he's in solarballs

[steady flower]

He should be a part of the god race. The new lore of him not being a god (just because he didn't absorb a dragon's soul) just makes me annoyed.

[steady flower]

He resembles darkness, no?

[timber glacier]

Hold on this is actually really clever

[agile matrix]

theres fours kinds of noxus

pre rework wotg
aoe
idk he’s kinda like a blob? and purple???
my interp which i have not drawn.

[split mortar]

We dunno

[agile matrix]

shakidou is the god of night and darkness i believe

[steady flower]

There is another?

[sinful adder]

Clone is stuck in cloning machine and attached via wires.

Calclone:

[timber glacier]

Shakidou is the god of emptiness but not night that was just the dragon

[split mortar]

Noxus is not meant to be a god noxus is meant to be the theoretical second moonlord type thing that seems to be smth xeroc is afraid of

[agile matrix]

right. my bad

[split mortar]

Emptiness

[agile matrix]

forgot that gods cannot be multiple domains

im used to the greeks

[steady flower]

Lol.

[agile matrix]

“yes bro our archer is the god of looking cute in photos. pray to him” i love greco-latin mythology

[orchid hawk]

i thought that said geeks and not greeks

[steady flower]

Then who is the supreme deity of Calamity? Xeroc isn't really a deity to begin with.

[timber glacier]

But yeah noxus does seem to like maybe want to use the god essense or something cos like dog is sending the stuff he eats to him or something

[timber glacier]

No xeroc is kind of the supreme deity

He is a god

[mighty zenith]

i love the god of wine and getting blackout drunk

[steady flower]

I know, but Xeroc achieved godhood.

[agile matrix]

to the lores knowledge theres not really a capital g God . however, xeroc is king god

[orchid hawk]

probably zeratros before he got merked

[mighty zenith]

so did slime god

[orchid hawk]

he was the biggest one

[agile matrix]

theres no nameless deity if thats what you’re asking

[steady flower]

Irrelevant.

[timber glacier]

Xeroc is like the strongest god by a solid margin right

[agile matrix]

he could solo 100 yharims i think

idr the number

[mighty zenith]

Calamity just... doesn't need an abrahamic god type of deity

[agile matrix]

its a lot of yharims

[mighty zenith]

it wouldnt be a relevant part of the storyline

[agile matrix]

i mean “doesnt need” =/= “cant really acknowledge it”

[steady flower]

I guess so.

[timber glacier]

He could solo infinite yharims but he could never truly beat silva if you think about it so like calamity’s true strongest character is clearly silva

[agile matrix]

it explains the world souls I Guess

[mighty zenith]

maybe it exists

[orchid hawk]

what if the supreme god of calamity was the friends we made along the way

[mighty zenith]

we dont know

[long bloom]

not really

[steady flower]

💀

[timber glacier]

Maybe the true supreme god was the LORDE Horrible hog

[orchid hawk]

how horrible

[agile matrix]

if theres a dude who made the universe theres probably reason to believe they made at least part of the reason why world souls exist

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

they dont gotta ve like

persistent

they can make bake and go

[long bloom]

who made the dude who made the universe though

it's a loop

[orchid hawk]

i did

[timber glacier]

Maybe terraria itself is like the actual true god god or something

[agile matrix]

idk timmy tickletime

[orchid hawk]

i am the real creator of calamity

[mighty zenith]

i dont really like it because it kinda reinforces yharim's idea that the gods are FALSE gods

it gives him more reason to believe in what he does

and i dont like that

[agile matrix]

isnt his ideal that the dragons are the true gods

since Yharon

or do i misunderstand

[sinful adder]

Imagine if the eyeball-mouth is a legendary symbol of disaster (calamity) in-universe. That way, various situations can evoke this symbolism to give a sort of weight to that event. Calclone and Calamitas both fit this if designed the right way like I showed before

[mighty zenith]

kind of

he does believe the dragons were protectors of the world

[timber glacier]

That is actually a really clever way to handle the designs in like the earlier image

[scenic kraken]

Nah, the true supreme god is pinku

Pinky*

Trust

[timber glacier]

No its actually tyrian he has the actual true god the whole time

[scenic kraken]

I just realized that Dragons here are like the ones in Dark Souls...

God like beings....

[agile matrix]

you can have an abrahamic god AND have gods (auric). both can exist as long as abrahamic is more or less a spectator without any play outside of creation

[scenic kraken]

My question is, Do we have a DRAGON BORN

[agile matrix]

if abrahamic holds ANY power lores toast

[mighty zenith]

its a case of just adding more worldbuilding i guess

[timber glacier]

Both can be a thing but like there isn’t really any reason why there would need to be both

[mighty zenith]

but its fine if calamity doesnt do it

headcanons for it are fine

there just doesnt have to be official lore for a creator god

[sinful adder]

It also inadvertently makes several other points in time important. Any eye shaped boss inherits this symbolism. Your first substantial accomplishment, killing the Eye of Cthulhu, would share the same symbolism. As would the twins and one of the exo mechs I guess.

[mighty zenith]

it can be a mystery

[scenic kraken]

I like to think that Yharim's whole country was full of assholes.

Before y'know, he was the only one left standing

[timber glacier]

Isn’t he from like a seperate continent

[steady flower]

I do want to mention something.
My own mod is Arcadia, and the difference between my mod's lore with Calamity's lore is how you ascend into godhood.

I'm not a fan of the absorption of dragon souls.

[orchid hawk]

a mod where WE become gods?

do i peep this

[pulsar ocean]

isn’t it kinda insane how much pieces the world soul exploded into

[scenic kraken]

Nah, fuck being gods!

[timber glacier]

Isn’t it like 3k pieces

[scenic kraken]

I WANT TO GO BACK TO BEING MONKEY!

[steady flower]

Oh no, I should have clarified that it goes with any character.

[agile matrix]

imagine a wukong

[scenic kraken]

And this, is super saiyan 4

[steady flower]

You have to kill a lesser god. However, you cannot kill the Elder Gods.