lore-discussion

[manic coral]

Slightly over 1 for every year of the Crusade.

[raven brook]

and assuming the mechs remained as multiple of them

then like

dude all of them would be mechs atp

😭

thered be none left

[eager bluff]

it was mostly just me bullshitting something on the spot

[raven brook]

and it also means the godseeker knights feel even more pathethic like

wdym literally all of them got stuffed in the mechs and now i killed them and theyre all gone in EARLY HARDMODE

[long bloom]

maybe hallowed metal empowers souls

[raven brook]

could be something like that yea

[manic coral]

But yes, hence why they would vary wildly in power.

All of them had to be very strong to do such a thing, yes, but it was more about proving have have the same conviction, mind, and stratigic prowess as Yharim himself.

After all, the people at the top ranks needed to be more than just strong.

[wanton pendant]

I see, they were furries.

[manic coral]

You do not want your highest ranking officers to simply by the strongest ones.

Simply being strong doesn't make you capable of such a position.

It was meant to prove initiative, intelligence, stratigic prowess, convition, and determination.

Of course, this also helped as extra motivations for soldiers to fight.

[long bloom]

very cool ideas cei user

[wheat walrus]

you are no admin

chud

[wanton pendant]

You are no admin, but I will message you about Mr. Beast regardless.

[raven brook]

Admin

[wheat walrus]

mistaken

[raven brook]

Bug Tester

[hoary cape]

Cheese got demoted again

[west plume]

i think its important to note that not every god or dragon had a Useful domain and weak gods can range from normal people to slime god

[wanton pendant]

Are you saying the God of Pancakes wasn't a force to be reckoned with?
(Obtained from Dragon of Waffles.)

[west plume]

if your domain doesn't materially assist you and you don't get transfigured into a more durable shape you kinda dont get much from it

most domains definitionally were closer to that, although they usually select for strong substrate since in order to kill a dragon you need to have some muscle

the God of Crops probably couldn't do shit in a fight with a regular dude but they'd be making bank instagrowing summer fruits in winter which is where their power comes from

i think its important to think of ascended in the sense of jojo stands where there are a few absolutely busted ones but most are like You can spit gold every new year

You have the power to draw earthworms to your location on command

[wanton pendant]

Ah, can't wait to learn about the God of If I Leave This Small Area I Will Turn Into Garlic Flavoured Soup.

[icy veldt]

Could biomancy be used to turn people into garlic-flavored soup?

[wanton pendant]

I don't think it's a requirement.

[icy veldt]

Oh I was thinking of garlic-flavored soup that's still alive but in all-consuming physical agony because it's not supposed to be soup

[light linden]

[pulsar ocean]

imagine being able to shoot your nails as bullets

sounds useless

[plain crane]

his power is to make bubble gum

[sinful adder]

Do you think the god of crops made the elderberry

That sounds like what their power is

[wanton pendant]

Oh boy, I sure hope he doesn't fill my lungs with bubblegum!

[plain crane]

your lungs are now filled with

[BUBBLE GUM]

[wanton pendant]

Aw man!

[glossy wolf]

what's yharim trying to do with us, the player, with all the lore items dropped from bosses?

[plain crane]

jesus could change the water in your body into wine and induce instant shock

[wanton pendant]

Indoctrinate.

[long bloom]

he's trying to manipulate you into finishing the crusade

[plain crane]

he's telling the partial truth tho, some gods do suck

[glossy wolf]

oh i see, and I assume in like 10 fargo years, his bossfight is where we dont?

[plain crane]

extremely partial

[wanton pendant]

Depends.

You can totally join him, by killing him and taking his place.

Or you can reject him, by killing him and finally ending his grasp on the world.

[glossy wolf]

i need to catch up on the lore tbh, do u guys know anywhere i can read it

or watch it

[wanton pendant]

Pins.

Not videos.

[long bloom]

the second pin

[glossy wolf]

how come not videos?

[wanton pendant]

Because nobody made a good one.

[plain crane]

because videos are victim of the eternal curse

the curse of spontaneously turning outdated

and also because most videos are just a recap of text and its super lame

[sinful adder]

Lore YouTubers are liars who dont bother to check whether their source is fanfiction or not

(goozma is NOT REAL! Nameless Deity is NOT XEROC!)

[glossy wolf]

How do we know that Noxus exists, depsite not even being referenced in game?

[long bloom]

developer statements

[wanton pendant]

And it is implied to exist.

[long bloom]

also it's referenced, just never namedropped

[glossy wolf]

so is noxus a god or just a powerful being

[wanton pendant]

It's not a god.

It's just a really strong thing.

[pulsar ocean]

goozma is real actually

wrath of the gods is not canon tho

[leaden bridge]

both are canon actually

[wanton pendant]

Banned.

[pulsar ocean]

gods are all boosted and noxus gained all he has through sheer willpower

and determination

yharim is also boosted cuz he got endgame armor pre hardmode

[untold bluff]

Is there any diagetic music in calamity mod

[wanton pendant]

No.

Unless you count a Twitter joke as canon.

[untold bluff]

Aw

[raven brook]

crabulons theme is canon hes blasting it crazy style while you fight it

[untold bluff]

Dude you know what would be so cool

A giant disco ball lowering from the ceiling

I NEED that

[long bloom]

most or all boss themes are, according to the draedon q&a

[untold bluff]

Wtf really??

[untold bluff]

If so calamity bosses have good taste?

[eager bluff]

no they just do that

it isnt a matter of taste its just something they do

[zenith geode]

they dont know how or why it happens its kinda like dreams

[untold bluff]

I'm wondering what bosses hear when they're fighting the terrarian

[long bloom]

@spare pier can info from the q&a still be considered canon or is it just bullshit

[plucky juniper]

i like to imagine that the Exo Mechs' theme is actually canon and not actually other things

[noble falcon]

“Ares, crank that Soulja boy”

[long bloom]

Bug Tester

[raven brook]

I dont think twitter qna out of all things should ever be considered a canon source of info

Bug Tester

[long bloom]

yeah just asking bc i'm pretty sure it was at one point

[raven brook]

Like this stops making any sense from a worldbuilding standpoint if you think abt it for more than like 5 seconds, its def just somethjng though of in the spot to sound funny rather than actual lore that was thought of and discussed as part of canon

[raven brook]

Qna is canon. Ultrakill is canon and draeson played it

[long bloom]

ture

also the q&a answers were from shayy so that's reason enough to lock it in the hyperbolic time chamber forever

[sinful adder]

Oh right damn I almost forgot about that guy

[long bloom]

good

[sinful adder]

Man what a disappointment that whole ordeal was

[agile matrix]

see i dont know anything from the draedon twitter qna bc thats from 2024 and i dont think i was into it yet

[sinful adder]

Sometimes I forget other people haven't been here for almost a decade

[light linden]

you joined 2 years ago

[west plume]

alt

[sinful adder]

I rejoined after leaving for a bit

I can't remember exactly why

Check my oldest message

[west plume]

discord search is broken so all i can acquire is

[sinful adder]

I joined sometime in the first quarter of 2018

[timber glacier]

Its crazy 2018 was 8 years ago

[light linden]

hmm

[sinful adder]

#suggestions-voting message

I was 16 at the time

[light linden]

🫵 old

[sinful adder]

This should explain why it sucks

[light linden]

funnily enough

that weapon does sound familiar

ain't there a sword with that gimmick?

[timber glacier]

Do you mean solstice claymore?

[light linden]

no

there's a weapon that deals different debuffs based on color

[timber glacier]

It is actually basically getfixedboi providence’ gimmick

[tropic oak]

treat this as canon solely because its fucking funny

[light linden]

celestial claymore

that's the one

[sinful adder]

Also callback to when cryo bars and verstaltite (now cryonic) bars both existed

[light linden]

random thought

what do y'all think calamitas will end up doing like

10 years after yharim dies?

[sinful adder]

Gardening

Apologizing to Silva

[light linden]

why silva?

[timber glacier]

Why would she really need to apologise to silva

[light linden]

calamitas never met silva iirc

[timber glacier]

Probably trying to apologise to amidas would make more sense for her to do

[light linden]

my guess is trying to clean up either the upper layers of the sunken sea or azafure

[timber glacier]

Like I guess she was used by yharim who was against silva so trying to be kind to her kinda makes sense but like she herself has no need to apologise specifically to silva

[robust osprey]

no I think she'd apologize to him like day 1 after yhardeath she wouldnt wait 10 years fur that

[timber glacier]

Wait Isn’t there also like dialogue where cal also likes says how nice amidas is to her despite what she’s done

[light linden]

"I cannot understand the Sea King. He does not seem to want me dead. That amount of compassion I just can't understand."

but that's being changed I believe

[robust osprey]

nooo

let amidias be goated like that

[timber glacier]

I kinda hope that he isn’t like depsising scal but feeling like a bit unsure about her makes sense

But yeah I could definitely see calamitas getting into gardening

[raven brook]

i think its alot more interesting if he dosen't forgive her

im literally jane calamitas and i think its lame to act like calamitas did nothing wrong and shes fully redeemed and kind and wholesome

its something i see people doing sometimes and its very eh

i don't think she's a bad person atleast not anymore and i do think shes working on redeeming herself for her ations but it dosen't change what she did in the past, even if she was manipulated into it

her actions and the consequences of it still exist and the people who died can't be brought back

[sinful adder]

Wait who killed Silva most recently in new lore

[raven brook]

someone who did bad shit and truly redeems themselves will understand that not everyone will forgive them

[sinful adder]

In old lore it was Calamitas

[raven brook]

yharim

[sinful adder]

Ah

I wasn't sure if it was specifically yharim

[agile matrix]

honestly sm1 said gardening and id see it

[raven brook]

a good example of this in principle is (incinbile spoilers) ||omniman. he DID go throguh a redemption arc and he is objectively a better person now and he genuinely wants to do good. but also part of him is expecting to be forgiven and he seemingly has been getting a massive reality shock by the fact that alot of people aren't willing to forgive him ||

[raven brook]

whenever i think about calamitas writing, given she had, 10 years to proccess all of this

[agile matrix]

i love their redemption arc because its really gradual

you can see it happen throughout

[timber glacier]

There is the fact that like calamitas was manipulated by yharim to do the horrible things she did during the crusades so her doing those things is a lot more complicated from the perspective of other characters
Yharim made her do those things but she did do them also so like for amidas having a slightly complicated relationship with her makes sense

[agile matrix]

instead of just "oh im a good person now" you see their actions give results

[sinful adder]

Man I should watch invincible

[raven brook]

i don't think she necessarily fully hates herself for her past actions, but she also understands that she can't really ever erase them and wouldn't really hold any disdain for someone who dosen't want to forgive her

like lets say someone goes out of their way to take revenge on calamitas. she won't hold it against them, will understand why they're doing it, but she also won't just let them kill her because she knows she has things to live for and she knows she can still do good with the power she has

[sinful adder]

At first I thought it was just another edgy "what if evil superheros" thing

[raven brook]

Consider urself from the perspective of a illmeran who saw their entire family, friends and life be destroyed and incinerated in horrific fashio

Do you not think that regardless of her circumstnaces there is still a strong likelihood you'd never be able to forgive her

Of course, it varies from individual to individual

[timber glacier]

I moreso meant amidas would have trouble trying to accept her from hIs view but might like realise she shouldn’t be the thing he is hating for it

[raven brook]

I've always thought that Braelor and Statis could come to forgive Calamitas

but Amidias wouldn't

You can understand why someone did something and accept that, while still not forgiving them

[agile matrix]

tbh i think talking to amidias from a peace angle could be a really good first step for calamitas

[sinful adder]

It seems like amidias doesn't completely hate her

[agile matrix]

yeah

[timber glacier]

I feel like amidas wouldn’t forgive her but wouldn’t try to actively persecute her or something

[raven brook]

In current dialogue Amidias completerly forgives her like immediately

[sinful adder]

Is that dialogue outdated

[light linden]

also uh

[raven brook]

it is entirely outdated and not reflective of his character

[sinful adder]

I aee

[light linden]

I still wonder how many people knew it was specifically calamitas who did it

[agile matrix]

he seems kind but not idiotically so

[raven brook]

I can see this yeah, it's what i always thought of

[sinful adder]

Everyone. Who else could boil the sea

[raven brook]

Members of yharim's army that could do that

• calamitas
• yharon

[timber glacier]

brimstone elemental i guess? Yharon also has fire magic

[agile matrix]

draedon, legally

[timber glacier]

did draedon have any fire breathing mechs at that point

[raven brook]

and i think. if it was yharon most people would see the huge ass dragon

[agile matrix]

draedon can do whatever the hell he wants he's kinda comically strong

[raven brook]

which also how would you even get a huge ass dragon inside of illmeris to begin with

not to mention the fact necromancy was used

as you can see by the timeless shores

[light linden]

do we know uh

[raven brook]

so like it really is just completely obvious to anyone with minimal knowledge about yharim's army that it's calamitas

[light linden]

how many people even knew of calamitas atp?

[raven brook]

i mean

[agile matrix]

see my knowledge of the sunken sea is really limited because theres

the current implementation
the possible planned implementation
my idea of it
the fables planned implementation

[raven brook]

"calamitas' isn't even her name. it's a moniker given by people who feared her during her time at yharim's army

it has effectively replaced her actual name

[languid badge]

fables is the sunless sea

[agile matrix]

and the ability to get Yharon Resplendant Phoenix changes viscerally depending on which you talk of

[languid badge]

very different

[timber glacier]

I do now wonder how amidas would feel towards permafrost

[raven brook]

i think that should be enough of an answer to you

[light linden]

isn't that being retconned?

[raven brook]

no?

[light linden]

hmm

[raven brook]

that's a rather recent development even

[light linden]

give me a few

[raven brook]

calamitas is Very well known

[light linden]

well like 10 minutes

[timber glacier]

I’m assumeing her brothers names weren’t actually catastrophe and cataclysm too

[raven brook]

She was basically yharim's reusable nuclear bomb, she likely would only be second to yharim himself in notoriety

[raven brook]

yeah thatd be silly

the illmerans dying might've not even had time to proccess who killed them but for anyone who survived the encounter and anyone who'd hear from it

its like super obvious that the fire witch that kills people and has necromancy is the one that used fire and necromancy to kill people

[timber glacier]

There real names are clearly catastrophe (cataclysm’s real name) and cataclysm (catastrophe’s real name)

[plush trellis]

I wonder if anyone except yharim hates draedon draedon seems to be a large part of yharim's crusade but mostly seemed to work behind the scenes and as support

[raven brook]

100%

[agile matrix]

just realized that "my idea of it" is just the abyss but again

shit

[raven brook]

Even disregarding the fact Draedon is a very immoral individual even if arguably not directly "evil", the sheer fact he worked with yharim is enough to get people to hate him

same with permafrost, for htat matter, which people dont often bring up

You don't just be one of the leaders of super golden hitler's army and NOT have thousands of people hate you

[timber glacier]

Draedon also didn’t have any quarrels really with what yharim did unlike permafrost and kind of calamitas’ retrospective on it

So he really has nothing that makes people able to forgive him

[raven brook]

most people probably aren't really aware of Calamitas and Permafrost's status except for maybe passingly hearing about the fact they left yharim's army

They probably know nothing in regard to their circumstnaces or their moral standing so

[timber glacier]

Yharim only learns permafrost is alive when we beat cryogen right

[raven brook]

For the general public they basically just disappeared one day

yeah

[timber glacier]

So he didn’t even know he is still out there

[raven brook]

Cryogen was specifically made to hide Permafrost from yharim and make him think he was dead

[timber glacier]

So like probably people just had no clue where he was

[raven brook]

I imagine the plan was something like keep Permafrost inside of it until Yharim died or something

that way Calamitas dosen't suffer "consequences" for "betraying" Yharim's orders and Permafrost dosen't get hunted down further

[timber glacier]

I do wonder how like most people view permafrost due to his role in the crusade

[sinful adder]

Apparently amidias personality will change which makes sense but I'd like to know more about this

[timber glacier]

Like would amidas kinda hate him or like what

[raven brook]

I don't think Amidias or anyone who else who is against Yharim would have very good opinions of him at base

Again you just don't work wtih the guy and have people like you

If they learn more about his circumstances, they might be more forgiving

[sinful adder]

Amidias would probably hate him but may be able to forgive him eventually after learning what happened

I hope this progression can be shown in the game

[timber glacier]

He also had like no clue what yharim was actually doing right or something or am I misremembering permafrost lore

[agile matrix]

unfortunate that this doesnt happen more

[raven brook]

It'd be impossible for him to have no clue after a while tbh

[agile matrix]

our actions only really shock yharim like four times

[sinful adder]

Permafrost was extremely knowledgeable about what yharim was doing

[raven brook]

He joined Yharm while he was still seemingly benevolent

[sinful adder]

Must have been

[agile matrix]

(cryogen, old duke, providence, and i think dog)

[raven brook]

And killing evil gods

but he stayed all the way up until ilmeris

[sinful adder]

I see

[raven brook]

by which point, given how late it was in the crusade, it was already far more than obvious how bad yharim was

We do not know the exact reason Perma stayed this long, despite seemingly being a pacifist that hates needless violence

[sinful adder]

I don't imagine he would have a way to leave without dying

[raven brook]

I have some ideas on it

[timber glacier]

He was fine with killing some dictators but got the hell out of there when he found out that he was using his adopted daughter for genocide

[raven brook]

1. Fear of consequence yeah
2. Sunk cost fallacy (Which also ties into 1)
3. Calamitas showed up

[agile matrix]

i mean did he do anything else for yharims army

[raven brook]

Calamitas left at around 17 so if you consider the idea Permafrost might've already been packing his shit to leave and already knew how horrible Yharim was around 20 years ago

[agile matrix]

like what would he have done

[timber glacier]

Was the cryogen plan made by calamitas or did both of them try to figure out a way so perma could survive i wonder

[sinful adder]

Strategist plus provided cryonic metal

[raven brook]

It makes alot more sense

but then oops! child

also a manager for his cities

[timber glacier]

Wasn’t he like really good at managing the cities they took over

[raven brook]

Not like he could've just ran off with her, specially as she was actively getting indoctrinated by Yharim and knowing that if he did that the two of them would probably be in great danger

[timber glacier]

So like there was probably him feeling like if he left those places would be taken over by like being managed by draedon or yharim or something

[raven brook]

that's also true

I think permafrost staying for so long can be largely explained by him having already slowly realized how bad yharim was much earlier

But knowing that if he left now the damage that might cause could be gigantic

Not to yharim and his army even, but to the people

[west plume]

yharim is vindictive and its likely if he had left beforehand any future mages would be held under lock and key

[raven brook]

He'd basically trapped within Yharim's army due to how important his role was and knowing the possible insanely damaging consequences of him leaving

[west plume]

ex. calamitas who was basically on a leash and likely couldn't leave without being found shortly afterward. imagine if permafrost had left before that

[raven brook]

Fucked up really

Makes me think that Permafrost probably tried to use his city managing role to minimize Yharim's opression and damage to society as much as he reasonably could, just trying to make the best of an absolute abysmal dogshit situation

[timber glacier]

Like he could’ve also thought if he left yharim might’ve ended up using calamitas in horrible ways (like he was doing without his knowledge) so when he found out it had already happened he might’ve just not’ve been able to deal woth it anymore and left or something

[west plume]

if permafrost escapes he can no longer do any good Ever. anyone else in any remotely similar position to him is under additional bureaucracy, anyone with his skillset just won't be allowed to leave no more

[raven brook]

putting bandages on a wound that was like constantly gushing blood and burning and exploding

it's the best he could do in the situation

[west plume]

in the empire position he can at least petition for positive change even if it mostly isnt successful

and it prevented at least one person, calamitas, from being subjected to a life of complete servitude and darkness

[raven brook]

Really goes to show how good Yharim is at the whole manipulation shtick because he'd basically have Permafrost completely under cuffs without any sort of actual physical or legal imprisonment

godamn it piss man .

[timber glacier]

Theres also the fact that like other gods that survived and hated yharim might’ve gone after permafrost if he left so it was probably safer to stick with yharim where he was kinda protected

[raven brook]

deny his proposals to change things for the better, except once in a while you actually accept one of the ones that are least damaging for your goals

that way he still retains the slightest hope he can atleast make things better

[west plume]

no, most gods are willing to talk and killing a random administrator is kinda pointless

especially one that abandoned of his own volition

its mostly just an ethical issue

[raven brook]

Some def would but while i think he'd be largely disliked at a base and most would probably be skeptical i think its possible for some of them to be willing to engage in diplomacy

psecially knowing that

[west plume]

do you leave the regime and provide no more resistance and make it so anyone else with your powerset is only let outside in chains?

[raven brook]

someone in a position like permafrost who betrayed yharim and is going out of his waay to offer you assistance

would haver ALOT of helpful private info on yharim and his army

[timber glacier]

Yeah I mean like some would still feel like agnry towards him and might try to kill him in revenge to get at yharim in any ways they can

Even if it wouldn’t really result in anything

[raven brook]

some more impulsive and unstable ones yeah

[west plume]

abandoning means that permafrost and all deities would be in basically the same camp. all of them are going to be hunted down and get full body impaled on a spike. why fight someone who does not want to fight you

its mostly just the unstable gods that would care yeah

[timber glacier]

I am curious what will end up happening after the game when yharon comes back

[sinful adder]

What would be the consequences for the world if draedon became infected by the astral

[raven brook]

i don't think that's even something that can happen but like

[sinful adder]

The calamity world is kinda set up for a very interesting few decades after the event of the game

[sinful adder]

A writer said it is

[west plume]

hopefully someone kills him again and feeds his egg to DoG so the rebirth shard no longer exists and all this bullshit is over

[raven brook]

depends on whether infecting "draedon" entails infecting all of his consciousness universally

or if it's just

this 1 random machine

if its the latter it dont really mean much

i mean if it infects like an exo mech thats pretty fucked

[timber glacier]

The other bodies of draedon would probably be used to destroy the infected ones

[west plume]

yharon realistically just respawns and pairs with another hitler to start a crusade again

[raven brook]

yharon farm that instakills him whenever he's born for a endless source of chicken nuggie

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if yharon would ever realise how bad what he did was or if he’ll forever be like a racist hater

[west plume]

latter

to yharon any sacrifice is good as long as he is the one making the choice

[raven brook]

if he manages to survive forever and dosen't get killed i think there's a chance he might go throguh character development one day but it'd take

a ridiculously long time and the right circumstances

but i feel like it's much more likely he'd just end up being killed beforehand by someone who manages to find the ritual

i don't think the ritual has been completely and utterly erased from the world

[agile matrix]

when yharon dies does he actually have any physical corpse or does he always dust

[timber glacier]

Honestly I’d imagine yharon would be like very sad and depressed because his closest friend is gone and he can’t be with him again and might just loose his ability to put effort into stuff

[raven brook]

probably just, almost completely

[west plume]

you have to realize that yharon is already the oldest character on the planet at the time of gameplay

it will take a While

[timber glacier]

Silva would know how to do it so like it would still end up being known

[sinful adder]

Is there a way to destroy a soul without contaminating the resulting essence

[raven brook]

having lost everything and then lost his only remaining friend and then attempting to do the same thing but failing, probably miserably, Again and etc i think could entail him to eventually introspect and perhaps start changing but i do think it'd

take a long ass time and also again, the right circumstances

[west plume]

someone would have to scoop all the silva goop off the ocean floor and then hoist her up and then get her to tell them how to absorb an auric soul

[raven brook]

hey maybe by then she's already reformed

[timber glacier]

I do feel like there might even be concerns that killing him could cause like a catastrophic event if the last auric soul is changed

[raven brook]

always thought it'd be weirdly wholesome to see statis and braelor really old 2 granpa living together and then silva finally reforms and go pays them a visit

after like

50 years

[west plume]

would b neat

[west plume]

yharon ^

[timber glacier]

Honestly I do hope that like braelor, statis and silva do eventually after the events of the games get back together and like finally are reuinited and stuff

There would also now that I think about it there might be some diehard yharim followers who might try to rekindle his crusade with yharon if they found him

[west plume]

realistically the only auric soul able to be acquired is yharon's, so no one with knowledge has any reason to tell anyone how to perfectly ascend rebirth

since youd just create a different immortal who eventually becomes hitler

[sinful adder]

I was planning on doing that anyway

[timber glacier]

Well there might still be other living gods who might be able to figure out how to make the ritual perfect and stuff

Since like there are still a few that are alive

[sinful adder]

Btw where was the world soul physically located?

[raven brook]

not only other living gods but like i'm sure SOMEWHERE theres gonna be SOME remaining scripture of the ritual hidden so well yharim couldnt find it

[west plume]

imperfect ascension isnt out of the cards and its probably written down somewhere

[west plume]

the world

[raven brook]

perfect ascencion though yeah i doubt that either xeroc or silva would want to tell you

[timber glacier]

No it was clealry on the moon

[sinful adder]

Damnit I want to be able to implement my plan to fix the world in game

[raven brook]

Silva wouldn't want to risk Yharim Two happening specially because i think the only real valid reason to want to absorb yharon's soul that dosen't just make you seem power hungry is to make sure he dosen't start wrecking shit and killing people again

Xeroc i feel just wouldn't really want to help anyone ascend. I think even knowing Yharon's a btich and his actions, he has enough guilt in regards to the dragons as is

[raven brook]

I doubt the world soul was small enough to be built ingame

it's called the World soul after all, not the Really Specific Spot In The Heartlands Soul

[sinful adder]

I'm not building it. I'm going to grow it

[timber glacier]

Random thought doesn’t xeroc say he has a proposition that he decides you weren’t quite able to achieve what he wanted for the person he does it with or something. Was it maybe like something to do with the perfect ritual

[raven brook]

i'm ngl the preposition is all but confirmed to be "yo dude i need you to beat noxus's ass"

it wouldn't be ascencion for the simple reason we're never ascending ingame and that much has been confirmed already

[timber glacier]

But yeah I will say I do wonder what draedon will do some time after the events of the game

[west plume]

idk about confirmed but imperfect ascension is impossible to get right since we can't really specify the domain to the player

[timber glacier]

I know we won’t see it ingameI thought like the proposal not happening was so that like maybe the ascension wouldn’t happen in game

[raven brook]

we can't see the proposal because the xeroc storyline and whatever happens on it relies on xeroc existing probably

[west plume]

become the ceo of microsoft and release windows, accelerating the world out of the dark ages. he will take up the mantle of bill gates

[raven brook]

he dosent really do much existing right now unfortunately. hope he takes meds for that

[sinful adder]

Not if I throw an astral meteor at his main body

[timber glacier]

Draedon when his operating system gets updated and an error occurs causing his files to all get corrupted and just stops working

[raven brook]

main body

cluebed

(He dosen't really. have one)
]

[timber glacier]

Well he did have an original robot body

[west plume]

ExOS is rolling release and draedon uses raid to ensure storage sorry

[raven brook]

this is true though

draedon when i download bonzi buddy on all of his databases

[plucky juniper]

okay but where does he fit in with the Epstein files and shit

[west plume]

im sorry to tell you.

[timber glacier]

He might also end up thinking he isn’t advancing technology at that point but may be holding progression back so like he might turn himself off maybe

[raven brook]

eh definitely not

[west plume]

draedon won't turn himself off, he'll just get a different directive for improvement

[raven brook]

as long as there is things to explore in the universe he can learn more

[sinful adder]

No you don't understand. The threat is not the meteor itself. It's the new consciousness that's taken over a bunch of his bodies and is now in an arms race against him

[timber glacier]

I guess probably yeah

[west plume]

after all computing stuff is done he might pivot entirely to agriculture and become monsanto

[raven brook]

draedon sn't just about technology anyways

he's about science in every form

[west plume]

after monsanto he might pivot to meteorology and become weather draedon

etc etc

[raven brook]

i mean dude literally wants you to kill yharim not out of any actual moral stance or vendetta against him

just wants to see the social impact of it

[west plume]

theres too many sciences to perfect for him to shut off any time soon

[west plume]

oh. i dont think he has anything prepared for that

[raven brook]

draedon's gonna get into psychology one day and it'll either be the scariest or goofiest shit ever, all things considered probably both depending on what exactly his project is at the moment

[timber glacier]

I am scared if draedon would eventually wonder what would happen if he blows up the earth

[west plume]

he wouldnt do that

he already knows what will happen and it will destroy loads of research

the nature of the planet means that new things eventually appear if he just sits around and waits

[leaden bridge]

#doit (its like the green goblin mask

[raven brook]

he might take to space one day to go around researching stuff there

and then come back to terraria later to see what changed

he really ust had literal endless possibilities of what he could do tbh

[west plume]

glados

[sinful adder]

I KNEW I could create an interesting setting for a sequel

[timber glacier]

Make it so the ritual needs the player to be able to place things in the forground and thus cannot occur

[plush trellis]

Whats the forground?

[timber glacier]

I mean like the game is literally 2d

[raven brook]

the scary and horrifying foreground walls:

[leaden bridge]

I call it... The foreground

[timber glacier]

Why don’t the bosses just move a little to the side to avoid the terrarians attacks? Are they dtupid

[raven brook]

ok im goign to bed now

[west plume]

they are too wide

[raven brook]

goodnight

Bug Tester

[west plume]

the eye of cthulhu is very big and round

you must understand

[leaden bridge]

They're also playing a game like us

And can't move three-dimensionally either

[timber glacier]

Every boss is actually like 8 meters thick and thus would still be visible

[sinful adder]

Syrup I wrote a bunch of hypothetical future events I can't remember if you saw them

[feral skiff]

why doesnt he say “EYE SEE YOU” really loudly when the boss fight starts

[sinful adder]

One of them was the astral draedon arms race

[leaden bridge]

It's impressive how word prediction and auto typing has a feature where they also get sleepy and incorrect

[leaden bridge]

Doesn't know English

[timber glacier]

Honestly I wonder if like the plague would ever take over like yharon or something and like get out of hand if yharon ever like rested in the jungle

[sinful adder]

Another is Silva putting herself back together and fixing the sulphuric sea with a bunch of sea critters she's taught to eat sulphur

[west plume]

he actually says this every time he charges in eyespeak

[leaden bridge]

Only knows Cthulhu tongue

Shared by all Cthulhus

[timber glacier]

The eye and brain are the only things that speak it and use it to communicate

[west plume]

brain and eye speak a different language

its a tower of babel sitch

[leaden bridge]

The implication is there's more Cthulhu beings

Calamitas counts technically

[timber glacier]

They speak slightly different dialects and often don’t understand some phrase that the other things say

[timber glacier]

Theres also the true eyes of cthulhu kinda alongside the normal eye and brain

[leaden bridge]

They're just true

[timber glacier]

They speak the same language as true excalibur, true nights edge and true copper shortsword

[leaden bridge]

Looking into this

[timber glacier]

They’re actually sentient but the player just can’t undestand it and ignore them

Wait actually you do use souls to make the true nights edge so like yeah i guess it might be kinda consious

[leaden bridge]

I don't think that's how soul recipes work

[west plume]

yeah that thing can feel pain and think. dont worry about it though

its not your problem

[leaden bridge]

I don't think there's people in the crystal storm

[timber glacier]

Its way funnier to imagine like soul crafts are conscious but like the player just doesn’t care and just uses them like normal

[west plume]

would you be fine with it if it was like worm souls instead of person souls

[leaden bridge]

I'd be fine eitherway they're dead and in a terrible place regardless

[timber glacier]

what if they were instead… dark souls

[spare pier]

Would you still use me to craft the Night's Edge if I was worm?

[leaden bridge]

I don't think the average night soul has it much better inside corruptor #485 than in tne

[west plume]

fair

[timber glacier]

Well the true nights edge ones were in the mech bosses so like probably better than in there

[sinful adder]

Why do some souls not explode on death

[leaden bridge]

Happens

[west plume]

they dont want to

[timber glacier]

Also is ectoplasm just another like form souls take on sometimes

[leaden bridge]

Actually yeah this isn't really true for the mech souls

The people who make up fright probably enjoy the death robot more than avengers emblem

[west plume]

no, its like soul flesh

[leaden bridge]

It's soul flesh

[west plume]

you're taking a ghost's manifested meat and using it for something else

[timber glacier]

Wait so do we like kill the dungeon spritis again so they’re deadx2

[west plume]

yeah

[timber glacier]

Would they then become souls*2

[sinful adder]

Do they have
Determination

[west plume]

i think they just revert back to regular souls

[timber glacier]

Also like what determines the kind of soul you become

[west plume]

will

[timber glacier]

Like why did some become the souls of sight in the twins

Like did they just like looking at stuff in life

[west plume]

i think those are just souls of sight because they were in the twins and helping control it

the twins existed for a long while so those souls were in Vision Hell for that amount of time

[timber glacier]

Also like why do wyverns have like 15 souls just inside them

Did they just decide to eat a ton of bird souls

[west plume]

so u have to collect more when crafting certain wings

:p

[sinful adder]

Are souls actually conscious canonically or is this a joke

[west plume]

souls can be Willful but not always conscious

[sinful adder]

Makes sense

[west plume]

some souls are Conscious (some ghosts) and others are only sorta Conscious (polterghast)

some are more conscious than they want to be (the mechs)

if you can speak to a ghost it is probably thinking and feeling. if you cannot it is probably in unbearable agony (polterghast) or just inactive

[timber glacier]

Also wait are the actual ghost enemies like canonically the dead player’s soul since they spawn mostly when a player dies

[west plume]

no

i think the player ghosts fall under whatever you want them to be

[sinful adder]

Is it possible to destroy a soul reliably

Like is there a way to destroy yharon's soul without consuming it for ascension

[timber glacier]

Trash slot

[west plume]

feed it to DoG

[timber glacier]

Doesn’t dog actually send what it eats to like the distortion or something

[west plume]

yeah

there it will never ever be relevant to terraria ever again

[sinful adder]

Oh I don't mean destroy it without a trace, I just mean break it into essence

[agile matrix]

put it in the Thingy™

[sinful adder]

I want to keep the essence, I just want to make sure the soul is no longer intact or conscious

[timber glacier]

Boy I sure hope that the distortion does end up never habing relevence to the people of terraria I sure hope that doesn’t happen

[west plume]

i think if yharon chooses not to revive it'll just eventually convert into essence like other auric and god souls do. it isnt really a foolproof method

[sinful adder]

Hmm

[agile matrix]

wait yharon can just say "nah im good." and just never come back

[west plume]

you either have to deactivate yharon's part of the auric soul or prevent yharon from reincarnating some other way

[west plume]

yeah lol

[timber glacier]

Just through him out into space at light speed, problem solved

[sinful adder]

What if I throw his egg in the SHPC

Doesn't that thing burn souls for fuel

Or something

[agile matrix]

honestly, thats a funny idae

[sinful adder]

I specifically want to keep the rebirth essence on terraria

[timber glacier]

Probably would probably just be like transforming their form like fire making wood into like ash

[west plume]

an auric soul is p much infinite fuel so i think it will just be spat out, bump on something and then yharon is an egg again

[sinful adder]

Hmm

[agile matrix]

jamming yharons auric soul into the shpc, revving its engine, and Tada! Your Shoulder Is Now Not On Your Torso :)

[sinful adder]

I couldn't remember, I thought it burned the soul, not just launch it

Wait there's also magic that burns souls

Brimstone flames

[timber glacier]

It would still leave a remnant of the soul i thought

[west plume]

souls can be used as fuel but auric souls just keep pumping out energy as long as they are asked to

[sinful adder]

Have Calamitas cook a yharon omelette

[west plume]

thats true

you could have calamitas keep boiling yharon in the egg until he gives up

[timber glacier]

Would like destroying the yharon egg make like another egg appear

[sinful adder]

Alternatively, can we bind a soul to an object in a way that it can't escape

[timber glacier]

So like infinite eggs to eat forever

[west plume]

yeah

[west plume]

i think you can but i am unsure of the specifics

[sinful adder]

Oh I specifically meant to use the Brimstone flames to target the soul itself, as it says it does in the debuff and death message

[west plume]

you could prob just permanently bind yharon to the aerie in some way like making it unable to be opened or closed

then hes just in there forever

[sinful adder]

The aerie opens and closes?

[west plume]

yes; its kind of like a pocket dimension

[sinful adder]

Interesting. I thought it was just a big sky Island

[west plume]

its Nowhere and you have to enter it a special way

which is why draedon cant find it

[timber glacier]

You can go through there via a portal made of glowstone and a bucket of water

[sinful adder]

Anyways I'm not interested in trapping yharon, that's a last resort. I specifically want to harvest the rebirth essence, or every last soul fragment

[west plume]

thats the aether

[timber glacier]

Oh right thats how you find the shimmer in the aether canonically sorry

[west plume]

keep killing him and you will eventually be able to harvest all of his soul fragments i believe

[sinful adder]

Ok then let's get Calamitas to set his soul on fire permanently

[west plume]

basically just make a permanent torture device and make him struggle every time to get out and you will eventually get enough fragments of his soul for it to be functionally disabled and then essence

[sinful adder]

Can we cast a spell on a soul that is fueled by that soul

[west plume]

yes

[sinful adder]

Perfect. Get Calamitas to cast a spell on yharon's soul that makes it burn itself

[long bloom]

stip has previously said that's not how it works

[sinful adder]

Hell, even permafrost could probably do it

[timber glacier]

I do kinda doubt calamitas would really care enough to do that or like just would not want to

[long bloom]

the amount of soul shed gets exponentially smaller every time until it reaches 0

according to him

[sinful adder]

I think Calamitas would absolutely care, yharon is just like yharim

Plus, she owes it to us to help make the world a better place

[west plume]

i thought the point where it reaches 0 is essentially where the soul becomes too depowered to be useful

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like she does say she doesn’t have the energy to hate yharim anymore or something i thought

[long bloom]

idk maybe

[west plume]

we had a discussion in dev about this i bee leaf

[sinful adder]

It's one spell it can't be that hard to do

[long bloom]

also that dialogue is fucking ancient

[sinful adder]

@cosmic zenith hey is this possible to make happen

[long bloom]

so don't take it at face value

[west plume]

we need to change that

oh my god

i forgot

[timber glacier]

Yeah she would probably like still y’know hate him

[long bloom]

calamitas fight dialogue rewrite tomorrow

[timber glacier]

Like i guess her no longer having the energy to try to fight him could make sense but like not hating him is dumb

[sinful adder]

I want to explode yharon's soul by casting a spell on the soul that is fueled by the soul's own power, to burn it until it is eventually all used up or destroyed

Probably we can get Calamitas to do this with brimstone flames

[timber glacier]

Yharon is resistance towards fire debuffs though it wouldn’t work

[sinful adder]

Resistance is not immunity

[west plume]

duke fishron is also fire resistant beeteedubs

[timber glacier]

Wait does yharon get reborn in the body of a baby

[sinful adder]

Yes

[west plume]

yeah

[sinful adder]

It's a normal egg

Just appears via magic

[west plume]

small infantile dragon large enough to carry a grown ass 30 year old man

[timber glacier]

I am now imagining him rehatching as a incredibly sad and racist baby dragon

[west plume]

well, yeah

[sinful adder]

Any ways this stupid racist chicken is getting fried harder than anything has ever been cooked

[sinful adder]

Oh duh I just remembered, moon lord can destroy souls

Use like, nightwither or whatever it's called

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if like generally hes just then kinda a baby with like all his memories but like still would act like a baby

[west plume]

are you sure you want to give rebirth to fovos

[sinful adder]

No

I just want to use the same kind of magic

Not actually use moon lord itself

[long bloom]

can he use the domains in ways other than shitting out pillars

[timber glacier]

I don’t really think anything involving fovos-related magic would be wise

[sinful adder]

Possibly yeah

[timber glacier]

If it absorbed to soul it could mean fovos might like return with his original strength or something close to it

[sinful adder]

Better to use brimstone's soul burning fire

[timber glacier]

Maybe even having the domain of rebirth so like y’know becoming immortal

[sinful adder]

Anyways

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if baby yharon could really pose a direct threat and if like some characters could like i dunno try to communicate with him to explain i dunno that some dragons kinda deserved it and some like willingly let a person ascend or something

[west plume]

baby yharon is still the same tier of mage

so he would still be using all those fuckass fire attacks at full power

[sinful adder]

That has a 100% chance of not working

[long bloom]

doesn't smaller bones = less mana capacity though

[timber glacier]

Okay wait if thats the case an infant with absurd power actually poses a big threat

But we just need to use the thanatos to communicate since its immune to damage kinda so it would be safe

[sinful adder]

Once I've collected all yharon's essence, I'm going to stick it together with all the other godly essence I can and shove it as deep as I can reach in terraria. Hopefully this regrows the world soul. If it makes some fucked up new evil biome then I'm getting the Clentaminator before it spreads too far

[timber glacier]

But also doing that would probably make yharon even more angry if he ever came back so like he’d have even less morality and stuff

[sinful adder]

We really don't. Yharon already had thousands of years to stop being a total piece of shit and he's still like this

[timber glacier]

I was being,silly I meant to be safe while doing it

[sinful adder]

Yharon is not coming back once his soul itself is destroyed

[west plume]

what if this spawns a super essence beast that is allowed to fester deep inside the planet before emerging

[timber glacier]

I doubt an evil biome made of every single god essence would be like purable with a machine by a steampunk mechanic who like isn’t that smart in the grand scheme of things

Like i doubt it would be enough

[west plume]

it would eventually reabsorb but what about what happens before it does

[sinful adder]

Hmm maybe

I can probably handle it

Maybe I will dump the essence really slowly so that doesn't happen

[west plume]

one bucket of crimson a day

[timber glacier]

Also you really couldn’t like get all the essence and like it not being complete could probably have dramatic impacts

[sinful adder]

I'm also going to collect all the essence that spills out of noxus' guts

[timber glacier]

I will say that like if yharon still exists in like 10000 years in the future in universe I kinda feel like over those years he may go through some changes of heart at least a bit

[sinful adder]

And as a backup plan I'll be like "hey Xeroc buddy I'm gonna try and fix the world soul, if anything goes wrong can you throw the sun at it, thanks"

[west plume]

what are you going to do about every other distortion creature who also wants that essence

[sinful adder]

Rip and tear probably

[west plume]

fair

[sinful adder]

But yeah I think this is a pretty solid backup plan

[west plume]

Ah, the 14th crusade just failed again... I've had a change of heart. Maybe i'll stop going after Xeroc and just start killing offshoots

[timber glacier]

Hes gonna kill old duke hes a saviour

[long bloom]

truly

[timber glacier]

Also wyverns those guys annoy me so much hes so nice

[feral skiff]

Xeroc gets so annoyed with Yharon that he fakes his death just to make the dragon go away

[timber glacier]

How would he fake his death? Like the sun blowing up or something idk

[sinful adder]

I think by the 14th crusade the world would get sick of his shit and deploy the mock attuned auric swat team to gank his ass every decade or so

[timber glacier]

No-one else knows how to get to the aerie though I thought

[sinful adder]

We'll tell them

[timber glacier]

Only yharon and yharim know I thought

I guess xeroc would also know

But like draedon couldn’t even figure out how to get there so like no-one else could realistically find it

[sinful adder]

The player will be told how, then by extension draedon will be watching them do it, and then soon after that everyone will know next time draedon feels like selling some valuable information in exchange for some useful resources

[timber glacier]

Wait how will we even figure out how to get there now that I think about it

[sinful adder]

Yharim will tell us

[timber glacier]

I kinda would imagine like he’d be careful how he’d tell the player to like try to not let the knowledge get out and kind of doom his last friend yharon

Wait i guess didn’t like war go there to get yharon’s egg so like maybe perforators still in some way retained that knowledge

[long bloom]

they can't tell you bruh

have you seen them

[timber glacier]

Just ask it yes or no questions and get it to press a button for yes and another for no

[west plume]

Hold a peaceful conversation with the perforators and hive mind to discuss the matter of getting into the Aerie

Neither of them know what the aerie is. They attack you

[long bloom]

invite ravager and have a tea party

[timber glacier]

Just trap them in like a box each so like it can’t attack you

[light linden]

I still wonder what dragons were flightless

Gluttony seems like the obvious choice

[timber glacier]

Probably whatever dragon is the ancestor to basilisks

[long bloom]

i imagine zaelithar didn't have wings

idk why

[timber glacier]

Maybe also wyrms i guess but we don’t know if they’re flightless techncially

[light linden]

Maybe the life dragon

[long bloom]

oh wait i remember

[light linden]

Who?

[long bloom]

this

[long bloom]

john flame

[light linden]

?

[timber glacier]

It would be funny if like the dragon of storms (i forgor their name) prior to absorbing the soul couldn’t fly

[long bloom]

the dragon of flame

[light linden]

Ah

[long bloom]

anyway look

[timber glacier]

I do wonder like how many different species the “dragons” actually were

Since like theres no shot they were all the same species but rather multiple closely reated species

[light linden]

Question for stip and triangle

[long bloom]

vetrasyl

[timber glacier]

Also how does slime god canonically fly btw

Like how do they do that

[long bloom]

magic

[timber glacier]

It is a bit weird if it was just magic with no explanation but like i guess it would be fine to be easier to explain

[sinful adder]

The "ignore gravity" variety of magic

[timber glacier]

I guess some flies can fly like gastropods actually

So maybe theres like a gastropod carrying it like inside it

[west plume]

gastropods can already fly, gastropods are slimes, and slime god was transfigured into a slime

therefore flying is probably a natural and biological aspect some slime species have

[plucky juniper]

i mean we use wings

[agile matrix]

im interested: how much of the corro/crimson is actually the godly essence and how much of it is just that essence multiplying

[plucky juniper]

also. dragons

[agile matrix]

slimers:

ebonian blight spawn:

[timber glacier]

I meant since slime god got no wings

[long bloom]

queen slime:

[long bloom]

levitation

[timber glacier]

Those slimes fly cos they have wings but slime god doesn’t

[plucky juniper]

ALSO

SLIMES CAN TP

[timber glacier]

Gastropods fly without wings so they kinda explain it

[west plume]

you could probably explain it as 'slime god is like balloon and full of air' and that'd be a good enough explanation

[sinful adder]

Density reduction magic

[long bloom]

or just levitation

[sinful adder]

That too

[timber glacier]

He was actually just like a goblin summoner warlock before ascending who can also levitate

[long bloom]

scal has a magic levitating platform she stands on

[timber glacier]

Yeah but nothing about torch gods powers can realistically explain it too well

[agile matrix]

honestly give slime god some wings when theyre swapped with calclone

[timber glacier]

Just make gastropods carry it actually

[long bloom]

gods can still use regular magic

[agile matrix]

givvem a mix of the ebonian blight slime and qs's wings

[sinful adder]

Calclone's in game name the first time you encounter them should be "Calamitas?"

Instead of "Calamitas Clone"

[long bloom]

nothing about provi's power should give you flight either

[timber glacier]

Hot air rises

[agile matrix]

providence has bombass wings

[west plume]

provi is covered in a hull of stone and crystal

[timber glacier]

But actually like she has wing-lkke things

[long bloom]

not when it's attached to 10 tons of rock

[agile matrix]

hot air can carry. trust

[west plume]

i think provi rises because she Wants to and not because she obeys physics

[long bloom]

true

[west plume]

although it may be inherent to the domain since afaik she wasn't a mage beforehand

or maybe her transfiguration

[timber glacier]

Also she is actually covered in ash and can make it just push her up

Totally how she does it

[long bloom]

hive mind and perforator hive can also fly when they probably shouldn't be able to

[timber glacier]

I guess fair

[west plume]

hive mind and perfs flying can probably be explained by horse worms

[timber glacier]

It is just a little odd to me and like I kinda hope there ends up being reasoning how when like it gets reworked eventually

[agile matrix]

actually, cant the worms fly

[timber glacier]

They just dig through the air

[light linden]

[sinful adder]

Providence actually has thousands of spider legs you can't see because they're really thin

[light linden]

Hello

[agile matrix]

theres probably a gazillion little worms in perfs

[long bloom]

many many things fly without an explicit reason
cryogen, brimmy, hive mind, perf hive, boc, skeletron, etc

[west plume]

not all of them literally fly and a lot of them fly at you because there's no way to deal with you sitting 3 miles in the air and shooting at them otherwise

[agile matrix]

they all cause them to fly

[west plume]

you can assume Gameplay if it wouldn't make sense for a boss or enemy to do a certain thing that doesn't seem to interact with their actual ability set

[agile matrix]

erm, non diagetic medias......

[west plume]

i.e. aquatic scourge cannot actually fly but you have wings in hardmode so we don't really have a choice unless we do the infernum thing

[agile matrix]

pouring you on french toast for this one miss butter

[long bloom]

clearly this means slime god canonically rolls on the ground

[timber glacier]

It is funny that like isn’t this what happens with vanilla worm bosses like destroyer

[sinful adder]

Slime god should get dozens of slimey tendrils it walks with just like those rot creatures in rain world

[agile matrix]

see calamity in 17776 actually discusses this

[west plume]

no, slime god literally flies. i don't know if the old resprite that was going in was posted here

[agile matrix]

every boss gets its own arena

[long bloom]

the gray one? yeah

[timber glacier]

I kinda hope if slime god gets redesigned like the design gets elements of like all the different slimes

[long bloom]

i just hope it's unique and not Sphere™

[west plume]

no then i think i have a different one

[long bloom]

whuh

[timber glacier]

Also like do the paladins have like god essence from the evil biomes in them

[long bloom]

yeah they absorb it

that's like half their job

[timber glacier]

So like wouldn’t they have like the general powers from the bioems i guess

[agile matrix]

i like to think that they're made of the blight slimes which absorb the stuff around them so yes

[timber glacier]

Theres also crimslimes and slimers in the evil biomes

[agile matrix]

honestly i dont know how slime god doesnt just pull a goozma. there are probably billions of slimes on the planet

[west plume]

there were post-heart slime gods posted in-dev

i can't post them tho because it would b rood

[long bloom]

hm

[sinful adder]

Slime god's design could be way cooler but I can't find a good example video to show how it should be

[west plume]

slod wasn't finished by the time of brainstorm release because of the dehorsing so you likely won't see those for a while tho

[long bloom]

that situation makes a bit more sense now

[sinful adder]

Slimes need tendril arms that act independently

[timber glacier]

Slime god should actually be like every single slimes stuck together in a line

[west plume]

sling (slime ring)

[timber glacier]

No i meant like where it would be a straight line with ends

Worm ai

[sinful adder]

Instead of flight they just have an arm attached to a ceiling they're swinging from so they "fly" like spiderman

[west plume]

sline (slime line)

[long bloom]

sworm (slime worm)

[west plume]

slurm

[long bloom]

s mckenzie

[timber glacier]

Also I do kinda feel like it would make sense if slime god got like a crown in a redesign to match king slime and queen slime

[agile matrix]

slience (slime science)

[long bloom]

nah

[west plume]

a slown (slime crown) would be pretty cool but it'd be non-canon so we will not do it

[agile matrix]

itd be funny but i dont think slime god needs one

really they just need an Aura Up and they're kosher

[timber glacier]

Lime I meant like it absorbed like a king slime or something and took its crown

[long bloom]

where do king slimes get the crowns

is there a factory

is it also slime

[west plume]

commission i assume

[hollow pivot]

Could get a sigil behind it instead, since a couple other gods get their own sigils.

[timber glacier]

But I do wonder if it would have attacks from like the different biomes where there are slimes like a sand based attack because of sand slimes

[long bloom]

every god is supposed to have a sigil

[west plume]

i think it would be really silly if there was just a guy who went around making crowns for big ass slimes

but that'd be another wulfrum tier explanation

even though it would be reall good

[long bloom]

john s. crowns

[timber glacier]

Wait didn’t the onyx kinsmen like worship slime god so like maybe they made them

[sinful adder]

This is peak world building, the kind of thing elden ring does

You should do this

[long bloom]

problem: they're all dead

[sinful adder]

Anyways you know what else gets attacks from different biomes it absorbs?

[timber glacier]

Yeah i mean in the past

[sinful adder]

The biome blade line

[agile matrix]

who were the onyx kinsmen again

[sinful adder]

Slime god could lock in and copy that kind of progression

[hollow pivot]

I think Hollow Knight has something like this for their masks.

[agile matrix]

i keep mentally confusing them wit statis's group

[timber glacier]

Statis’ gang iirc

[agile matrix]

whart.

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

Like not him and his bf his ninja gang

[long bloom]

statis is the last ninja of the onyx kinsmen

[agile matrix]

hold on is there a group called something similar to the term freemasons

no relation to the actual group i jsut need to check

[timber glacier]

Bone lee and the king slime ninja were ones right

[long bloom]

yeah

[plucky juniper]

no. Slime God makes the crowns themslef

[west plume]

How

[plucky juniper]

for guardians it just likes

[timber glacier]

Its actually just a crown shaped slime

[hollow pivot]

What does this mean?

[agile matrix]

funniest answer

it passes

[west plume]

wulfrum has really shitty justification for it's existence since no one gives a shit about it

[agile matrix]

wulfrum exists as an early game metal

[plucky juniper]

i dunno i guess they're a good crown maker/jeweler

[sinful adder]

Slime god should have arms made of slime

[plucky juniper]

did we ever even know what they did before they decided to go and eat a dragon soul

[plucky juniper]

no its fine

[agile matrix]

they killed gloomborf who was the dragon of eating a lot of stuff

[long bloom]

they were a femboy

that's it i think

[agile matrix]

what

What

Huh

[sinful adder]

No, I think they got signus to kill gloomborf for them

[plucky juniper]

okay but thats not what im talking aobut xzier

im wondering

[timber glacier]

Wait hold on is this not a full joke

[west plume]

..?

[timber glacier]

I can atcually see the vision with that

[plucky juniper]

what did pre-slime god do for a living before they decided to go after gloomborf

[west plume]

pet slimes gently on the head

[long bloom]

idk how canon it still is but a writer did say it at some point

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

They were a fitness teacher and went to kill the concept of gluttony

[plucky juniper]

@timber glacier @west plume @agile matrix im dead serious im pretty sure this is possibly more canon than you think

[hollow pivot]

I think it's an okay explanation if a little bland. Though their explanation makes me wonder why they're attacking random people.

[agile matrix]

waghrt

whart*

[plucky juniper]

there is a nonzero chance that slime god will be canonically a femboy

hang on

[timber glacier]

Thats peak

[plucky juniper]

SOMEONE PULL THE TWINK DEATH IMAGE OUT

[long bloom]

well current day they're genderfluid

[agile matrix]

WAIT. I CAN SAVE IT.
make slime god... a touhou character..

[timber glacier]

Based

[agile matrix]

and then all shall be saved......

[west plume]

i don't like the term 'femboy' very much, but i wouldn't be unsurprised if mango did that

[timber glacier]

I guess that does kind of fit like the concept of slime actually

[agile matrix]

how old is the "sg is femboy" topic because if it was from the fabsol era that feels like it was gently transitioned into genderfluid

[long bloom]

y

[west plume]

derogatory

[long bloom]

??????

[plucky juniper]

i gently open the door

[agile matrix]

its quite crass, i agree. shouldnt be used in a public setting

[agile matrix]

No

[timber glacier]

they were a femboy <3 not they were a femboy (derogatory)

[agile matrix]

2day i learned there are 2 frowning emojis

[long bloom]

ok let's say it is derogatory somehow
what's the alternative term

[west plume]

'crossdresser' is the appropriate term that isn't fetishistic or derogatory

[sinful adder]

Since when is it derogatory

[long bloom]

yeah i've literally never encountered this before

[timber glacier]

But like slime god in some way being not like traditional in terms of gender identity does feel like fitting for a god of kind of what I’d assume are non-traditionally gendered entities with slimes

[sinful adder]

Plenty of people call themselves this term on purpose it isn't derogatory

[west plume]

i would like sg to be gnc

[sinful adder]

Maybe it is to like
2 people

[west plume]

i don't like the term 'femboy' though

[long bloom]

such as myself

[plucky juniper]

[sinful adder]

Then that's a you problem???

[west plume]

no, it is not.

[timber glacier]

It does depend on how the word is used when determined how it comes off as there are plenty of people who would use it derogatorily

[sinful adder]

"I don't like it" doesn't equate to "this is a slur"

[timber glacier]

Like some people might use it to put down people who want to explore their gender idenity

[sinful adder]

Literally who

I've been around this kind of thing for ages it just fucking isnt

[agile matrix]

if "sg is femboy" is from older than fabsol's time, it becoming "sg is genderfluid" feels like it was the gentle replacement that conveyed the meaning a lot betterer

[long bloom]

just chasers but why let them ruin the entire word

[long bloom]

they're from around the same time iirc

[agile matrix]

point likely still stands. i cant speak for the writer

[sinful adder]

Yeah these ideas are from fabsol time but fabsol had nothing to do with it

As far as I know

It was post new lore

[long bloom]

definitely

[sinful adder]

Don't let yourself become offended on behalf of a hypothetical person who doesn't actually exist. If you do, you make all the real and actually important issues less credible

[timber glacier]

Now that I think about it like will we ever get to learn ingame slime gods actual name

[long bloom]

i don't think they even have an established name rn

[timber glacier]

Yeah I meant like if that’ll ever be a thing that gets figured out or like decided

[long bloom]

idk

[timber glacier]

It would be funny if we learn like every other gods names but sg’s

[long bloom]

true

[timber glacier]

Especially since like aren’t the only gods we know of without a currently known name are slime god, war and dogma right and like I feel like we’ll definitely learn those other 2s names when the evil 2 bosses get reworked due to their importance

But random question if slime god’s tiershift does happen will they like still flee after the fight or like will we just kill them despite them being known for fleeing from loosing battles or something

[noble falcon]

We’ll call the slime god itself Gelatinous Jim, and the paladins will be Red Tony and Purple Tony
Ez solutions

[agile matrix]

add it to the list of "things calamity will add once they're unscopecrept"

[timber glacier]

Call slime god “guzma” in reference to the pokemon character totally

Not any other reference totally

[agile matrix]

honestly not too bad

[timber glacier]

Its not too bad of a name and could actually be a nice reference to goozma

Also wait do slimes have any thoughts and stuff or are they just mindless

[wheat walrus]

The term femboy,,,

Idt it's inherently a bad word but I can see why sm1 would get the ick over it since it often gets used by bad ppl

That said, not that big of a deal imo

Ill still take genderfluid slime god over that cause im genderfluid tho :3

[sinful adder]

I've literally never seen it be used badly

Or in a bad context

[wheat walrus]

Ppl who sexualize femboys -w-

[sinful adder]

That's not a bad thing

Unless they don't want it

[wheat walrus]

Eeee

Depends on how far it's taken

[sinful adder]

I don't think it does unless it's specifically an unwanted sexual advance

Usually people who are trying to sexualize themselves in a specific way use the term. I don't see it often used outside that context

[agile matrix]

i dont think thw term should be used in a semi-professional environment as in the lore

[sinful adder]

Fair

[agile matrix]

genderfluid is a far better term to describe what sg is and i feel the most comfortable wit it

[wheat walrus]

Prolly the best example of this is how modern meme culture treats the term "femboy". It's always brought up in sexual context, and often times it may as well be seen as a soft replacement for "sex object"

On the surface, it might not be a big deal. Though it becomes rather problematic since it normalizes a lot of bad things

[wheat walrus]

Same

[wheat walrus]

Just to be clear, I don't think the term itself in inherently bad

But I can see why someone would get the ick from it

[sinful adder]

Oh as for the actual lore I agree that genderfluid is a better, more professional sounding term to use

[long bloom]

from what i understand, the dev statement said that sg was a femboy pre-ascension and realized they were genderfluid post-ascension

could very well be wrong but that's what i was told

[cosmic zenith]

I still think it isn't possible to actually kill Yharon in a reasonable timeframe for a mortal

[cosmic zenith]

Yharon is smarter than that

[cosmic zenith]

(Which nobody knows how it works or managed to replicate 1:1)

[long bloom]

so it is magic, not just an innate ability?

[cosmic zenith]

This was a joke

[long bloom]

unfortunate

[cosmic zenith]

Unclear
Innate abilities can also be magic in principle

"Slime God is a femboy" was made up by Archon because a drawing I made of a pre-ascension Slime God had a braid that reminded her of Venti

[trim edge]

we have to go to the aerie to fight yharim anyway so can we just keep spawncamping yharon afterwards

[long bloom]

makes sense

[long bloom]

i see

[high bear]

What’s our role in the calamity lore

I should read all the lore items soon

[wanton pendant]

You are the guy Yharim is trying to convince to be Yharim 2.

[meager prism]

Shit good question why did we just pop into existence

[high bear]

What did yharim do again

[wanton pendant]

Genocide.

[meager prism]

Your mom and kill a shit ton of people

[wanton pendant]

Your backstory is up to you.

[high bear]

I did mass boss killing so uh yea

[wanton pendant]

He's killed millions upon millions.

[high bear]

What purpose

[wanton pendant]

Kill the gods and their followers.

[high bear]

Why kill the gods

Who are the gods

[wanton pendant]

Vengeance.

Anyone who ascended using the soul of an Auric Dragon.

[high bear]

What did the gods do to yharim

[meager prism]

Xeroc became xeroc after using Xeratos’ soul

The dragon of light

[high bear]

What is ascending?

[meager prism]

Or was it spelled Zeratos

I forgor

[high bear]

Shi this lore too big for me rn

[wanton pendant]

A few of them enslaved him, tried to make him puppet king and then tried to execute him.

[high bear]

Why are we here to becoming yharim to why yharim did this to how to become god

[wanton pendant]

The process to become a god.

[high bear]

Im here for the fun of it

[meager prism]

The Terrarian is like a really obsessive Yharim stan and just wants to meet him

[high bear]

What did yharim have to be treated that way

[split mortar]

Groom a minor into erasing a big chunk of a country sized place iirc

[high bear]

Who’s the minor

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas.

[split mortar]

calamitas

[high bear]

Oh damn

[split mortar]

She was a minor when she was under his command

[high bear]

Groom like legit?

[meager prism]

Puppet king how?

[wanton pendant]

Well he was a slave and they're famously treated poorly.

[meager prism]

I thought he was supposed to absorb yharons soul or something

[high bear]

Yeah ik that I read scal lore item today

[wanton pendant]

Make him God-King and then make him follower their orders.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that would make him a god, and then they would be the ones giving the orders.

[meager prism]

My recollection of the lore is based off of Aureus’ summary in a reddit thread

[split mortar]

Yeah that would make him their puppet godking