lore-discussion

[timber glacier]

Well like she is the nature elemental so like sending her too far could be very problematic for the worlds survival so like yharim maybe didn’t want to permanently loose such an integral being to the worlds existence

Also like how would he send her to space

[scenic kraken]

DO WE HAVE AN UNMASKED YHARIM.

[pulsar ocean]

no

He’s like darth vader

[scenic kraken]

Another question

Is he Cyber-Augmented?

[split mortar]

They do not want to show whats below the armour

[trim edge]

yharim was born with the mask on

[pulsar ocean]

With his overwhelming strength and muscle?

Just fly up and throw her really hard

[split mortar]

The armour is, left ambiguous about yharim himself

[scenic kraken]

Yharim when he needs to fight FUCKING SUKUNA (The Terrarian thought it would be funny to eat some funny fingers)

[pulsar ocean]

when we equip wings do they grow into us

[leaden bridge]

yes

[split mortar]

Is sukuna allat impressive to calamity idk much of cal vs jjk other then hearing deus outscales most the cast ages ago

[scenic kraken]

What does deus scale to-

[leaden bridge]

jjk outscales every calamity thing

[pulsar ocean]

yeah sukuna definitely no diffs

[scenic kraken]

If Deus is under country, he is COOKED

(literally, Sukuna's domain expansion is called Malevolent kitchen)

[pulsar ocean]

laaaarp

[scenic kraken]

THAT
WAS
THE ANIME
SUBS.

[split mortar]

Where the shit does sukuna explode a country in one hit

[scenic kraken]

Fuga.

[pulsar ocean]

Why would the subs blatantly lie bro 😭

[split mortar]

The entire country of japan seems fine

[scenic kraken]

Idk, mistranslation

[pulsar ocean]

that was a city

[leaden bridge]

It doesn't even rlly matter it's obviously clear that deus cannot win against the jjk cast

[scenic kraken]

Dunno, I just know that Sukuna would be a legitimate threat

[wanton pendant]

Astrum Deus wins because worm.

[pulsar ocean]

Sukuna has a move where it’s like calamitas’ box but u get constantly attacked by slashes you cannot deflect or dodge

[scenic kraken]

His Domain expansion

Where it can also be open domain (aka no barrier)

[leaden bridge]

Not even xeroc doing anything #ripbozo #wont be missed

[scenic kraken]

Where he can cause about as much harm humanly possible

[scenic kraken]

"ah, my anti-sun technique, haven't used that since the Heian era!"

[split mortar]

I mean yeah idt a single character in calamity has shown anything able to bypass infinity unless we take the space cutting statement of ark of elements literal

[scenic kraken]

Oh yeah, Gojo's infinity bullshit-

[scenic kraken]

Even then, here's another thing

Can the blades even reach gojo?

[leaden bridge]

no but they can cut through space

[scenic kraken]

Or will they be put to travel an ever infinite amount of space

Aka distance.

[leaden bridge]

If you take it literally you could probably use them to counter it

[split mortar]

Aint space cutting literally how infinity got bypassed by the world cutting slash

[scenic kraken]

True

Fuck, Now I wanna see the guy who made the Mahoraga wheel mod finish the Sukuna mod

[leaden bridge]

anyways maybe the distortional portals can? I don't know I'm larping how do portals work with Infinity

[scenic kraken]

Idk

[split mortar]

Portals probably can but also theres no times a portal is used as a attack in calamity so idk if itd be useful even if it bypasses infinity

[scenic kraken]

Yharim when he hears the Terrarian say "Ka... me... Ha... Me...!"

[pulsar ocean]

mahoraga wheel mod was stupid op

Probably not meant to be spawned at the start of the game Tbf

[scenic kraken]

It is

I crafted mine

[leaden bridge]

dog?

I'm sorry?

What?

[scenic kraken]

Even without the ascension stuff, The extra defense and the extra DR helps a ton

And the healing

[pulsar ocean]

if dog could split us in half with a portal he’d probably do it

[leaden bridge]

yeah but he can enter it and bypass infinite and just like

Jump the guy

cuz he doesn't need to physically travel

[pulsar ocean]

Dog probably dies from a single attack from gojo I can’t lie

[leaden bridge]

That's true but that's a different thing

[split mortar]

I the may have stupid

[scenic kraken]

It's criminal how small the scaling is in Calamity

Calamitas is City tier maybe more?

[pulsar ocean]

she nuked italy

[scenic kraken]

Oh shit fr?

Couldn't she do that to the uk?

[cloud ibex]

is it

not every story needs ultra glupshittoversal beings

[split mortar]

Yeah smth like that
City level means like in one attack or smth
Over a few weeks when she was a minor she was able to boil most of the ilmeran sea which is vaguely somewhere country sized

[scenic kraken]

Good job calamitas!

Have a cookie!

[eager bluff]

why

[pulsar ocean]

probably is when every other weapon in endgame is called universal splitter of cosmos

[split mortar]

Also like wdym calamity is small scaling wise and why is that “criminal”

[eager bluff]

there isnt any point going higher than "yeah this character can majorly fuck up most/all of the setting"

because you'll never actually see that happen

[scenic kraken]

Dunno just

I guess I expected more out of a plot born out of rp?

[cloud ibex]

yeah that's called exaggeration for the sake of dramatic effect

[cloud ibex]

hwuh

[scenic kraken]

You

Don't know?

[cloud ibex]

what do you mean "born out of rp"

[leaden bridge]

Idk i think the obsession with Proper Healthy Scaling makes some things feel really strange and weird

[eager bluff]

i know people that do rp it is very tame

[scenic kraken]

Calamity's ORIGINAL plot was born out of rp

Usually fantasy rp gets WILD with scaling

[leaden bridge]

Really it's just most of these things should just go unsaid

[pulsar ocean]

What harm can a character being gokuversal really cause

[leaden bridge]

It's true!

[leaden bridge]

No this isn't true

Never was

Idk how you got this notion

It was born out of the horse saying shit on the forum

[cloud ibex]

it can cause them to look incredibly weird and stupid if their whole deal is wanting to blow up everything and they have the full capability to do so but haven't because ????

(see: providence)

[leaden bridge]

To be fair that's a problem right now still and she's not gokuversal

[cloud ibex]

is it

[leaden bridge]

I guess her lack of doing it is explained by not wanting to atrract Yharim but like zzzzz

[cloud ibex]

yeah that's. the reason

[leaden bridge]

Barely post ml terrarian can kinda just slowly destroy the continent

I think she has options

[cloud ibex]

she can't go kill everything because she would get trounced by yharim

i don't see the issue here

[mighty zenith]

if she had the capability to destroy everything in one attack (which is what a lot of people who want calamity to scale insanely high want)

then she would be a complete dumbass

because if she could do that the game wouldnt happen

because there wouldnt be a planet anymore

she does not have the capability to do that though

if she started causing mass destruction there would still be enough time for someone to stop her, as she has a limited range of the damage she can do at once

[scenic kraken]

Cause I am a Roleplayer myself

People

Just

Kinda upscale their ocs

A lot...

[leaden bridge]

What if providence was providence versal

[leaden bridge]

And what does that have to do with you falsely believing calamity's lore was originally a roleplay

[scenic kraken]

Cause it was?

[leaden bridge]

No it wasn't

This is just untrue there's like nothing to say here

[split mortar]

Are you mistaking total calamity wiki as official or smth

[split mortar]

Since thats a wiki made for a calamity roleplay from ages ago

[scenic kraken]

That's the one!

[split mortar]

Total calamity is not official

[scenic kraken]

FUCK

[leaden bridge]

It was also made way after calamity lore

[cloud ibex]

can't believe tc is still catching people

insane

[split mortar]

😭

[cloud ibex]

does it still have that disclaimer on basically every single page saying "this is not official this is a fanmade roleplay please don't take this as actual official lore please i am shaking and crying and throwing up begging you please"

[leaden bridge]

Yes

Well actually idt they put it in every page but yes

[wanton pendant]

We need to destroy fanfiction.

[cloud ibex]

no we don't

[pulsar ocean]

god i fucking hate rp

LARP can stay

LARPers are fun

[mossy ibex]

How, it has been years 😭

[dusk laurel]

total calamity still pulling strong in the big 26

[mighty zenith]

total calamity 2

absolute calamity

[split mortar]

Garbo i will condemn you to fried by shrimp

[mighty zenith]

nop

[plucky juniper]

total calamity island

[wheat walrus]

p

[woeful hatch]

Garbo I will destroy you

[mighty zenith]

wdym

[sleek halo]

🥀

collaborative writing is fun

[sleek halo]

death

[dusk laurel]

aster has escaped containment

[soft flame]

[wheat walrus]

p

[split mortar]

I do not think you own a tungsten cube

[wheat walrus]

i may not, but im not the tungsten chimera right now; im the mold chimera

[wanton pendant]

Megalovania sounds weird.

[long scaffold]

I forgot I was someone's evil clone so I was confused for a second there

[late veldt]

Hey, if Necromancy is supposed to be pretty shitty, what's up with the skeleton merchant?

[leaden bridge]

Skeleton Merchant Necromancy Question Counter up to 3

[wanton pendant]

Built different.

[split mortar]

Shrimple, it’s not reviving old life from the dead

[plucky lichen]

This guys been counting

[split mortar]

Why do you have organs

[plucky lichen]

GOD I FUCKING LOVE RP I LOVE COLLABORATIVE WRITING I LOVE SHARING MY CHARACTERS WITH OTHERS I LOVE CREATING A STORY WITH A COMMUNITY ART IS BEAUTIFUL LITERATURE IS BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ARE BEAUTIFUL

Creation for the sake of anything without harm is beautiful, and never corny.

[leaden bridge]

And you haven't? Rookie

[split mortar]

Having organs is a unnecessary financial risk just sell your spinal cord

[plucky lichen]

Need live

[split mortar]

Smh

[plucky lichen]

Free yourselves from the shackles of what is considered ‘cringe’ and roleplay calamity on discord

Even that is beautiful

Anyways

I feel strongly

About this

[plucky lichen]

Gotta up my game

[leaden bridge]

Don't do that not because it's cringe but because you deserve to roleplay something better

[plucky lichen]

You think I like things because they are entirely perfect or good

I love calamity so of course I’ll love writing stories about it

[leaden bridge]

Not really relevant

[long scaffold]

As a Roleplayer I can confirm it's kinda hell but in a good way like every other thing you do with friends

[plucky lichen]

Exactly

Fun enjoyable hell

[plucky lichen]

Ok then what is

I rp calamity because I like it not because of the quality of it

I gave you my reason gangalang

[leaden bridge]

Like it missed the point, you can love stuff and still deserve something better

[plucky lichen]

I think

We think differently

And that is ok

[wanton pendant]

You write fanfiction because you like the original work.
I write fanfiction so I can change the names and publish it as original work.
We are not the same.

[leaden bridge]

This shit too easy man didn't last one argument I'm so disappointed

[leaden bridge]

That guy that did this but with fallout

Out of all things

[plucky lichen]

I’m like the worst person to argue with

Least confrontational person over here

[cloud ibex]

what if you argue with this knuckle sandwich

👊

[plucky lichen]

Also it’s the dumbest argument ever and nobody will convince eachother of anything

[split mortar]

Sell your spinal cord it risks getting you sued by disney

[plucky lichen]

OW!

[cloud ibex]

haha

[wanton pendant]

Ok, selling your spinal cord.

[split mortar]

Already sold mine

[magic epoch]

🖐️

Talk to the hand.

*sock puppet on my hand*

[cloud ibex]

the hand can talk to this knuckle sandwich

👊

[leaden bridge]

I have a feeling this guy wants our spinal cords

[magic epoch]

oh my god

they're

going on a first date how cute

[cloud ibex]

good for them

✨

[hoary cape]

A demon Lord from my dnd setting would gladly purchase your spinal cords for free

[leaden bridge]

i think i know better people to take it

[hoary cape]

He turned the ones he collected before into a chain knife thing like scorpion has from mortal combat

Oh and when he takes your spine you go with it as you are bound to your spine for eternity

[cosmic zenith]

I recognize that I have been very secretive with you all

While that is still necessary, I think something that cannot be confirmed by anyone wouldn't be a problem

So here's a video with a specific hint at what I've been up to
https://youtu.be/kb1YU62X7KU

Enjoy searching for the right hint :)

[leaden bridge]

"up"suck that's right! Skyfolly "rain world" that's right ecosystem design "dlc" that's Right! Next calamity update is paid. This is too easy

That's right. Calamity is adding the ballsack

[cosmic zenith]

Your ingenuity is breathtaking

[leaden bridge]

I can't make the crop smaller pretend there's not a yandere asmr thumbnail down there

[hoary cape]

I will not pretend

Just crop the cropped image now that it's saved as cropped duh

[leaden bridge]

Can't do that

Oh i can i thought i couldn't i swear i tried this before

Anyways I'm lazy and making a joke come on

[long bloom]

omg leviathan rework

[timber glacier]

It clearly means calamity will rework rain to encompass the whole world

Do we know anything about the relationship between the gods of war and dogma

[agile matrix]

dude no way old duke vortex

upsuck
talks about the rain to which old duke shows up
ball sack (he fires rot balls constantly AND he’s old and wrinkly like a potato sack)
he’s one of the oldest surviving dragons

[timber glacier]

Its also upsuck and old duke does suck and flies so hes up

[agile matrix]

exaaaaactly

[timber glacier]

I wonder what the colour schemes war and dogma will have

[rain osprey]

they will have at least one color

[timber glacier]

I’m guessing war will be red and yellow since like crimson and ichor and also gladiator armour and hoplites

[agile matrix]

what are the contrastive colors to red and purple

war will have some light blue and dogma will have some lime green(?)

[timber glacier]

Red and green
Purple and yellow

Actually wait green= cursed flames and yellow = ichor

If war is yellow and red while dogman is purple and green they’ll be contrasting eachother

Also IDK why but like if war has a large flag-like thing which is red with yellow-gold shapes on it that would weirdly feel perfect for war

Also I’m assuming ares and god of war will have nothing to do with eachother and ares is named after something unrelated in universe

[long bloom]

evil ass god yaoi

[timber glacier]

Thats why yharim is homophobic

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

Clearly his bad experience with those two led him down the wronh path

Honestly I’m curious how “evil” those two were

[long bloom]

they were actually evil as far as we know

[raven brook]

I FUCKING LOVE KILLING PEOPLE HELL YEAH WOO

• john war circa 1998

[timber glacier]

I guess war probably was kinda evil

But like was dogma like evil and shit too

[raven brook]

they're both evil

dogma is the guy who lead the god cult that wanted yharim burned down for refusing to absorb yharons soul

and who probably kept yharim as a slave

[long bloom]

they make each other worse

[long bloom]

reportedly not a cult

[raven brook]

war is awesome though

and badass

and cool

[timber glacier]

Toxic yaoi but only toxic to those around then

[long bloom]

true

[raven brook]

i mean dudes not ingame but the little we know about war makes him already stand out amongst the calamity mod villain roster because hes just

hes just evil.

theresn o deep ideological motivation or like justiifcation

he just really likes killing people

hes not like providence or yharim trying to justify why hes actually right or sosmething

no man killing peoples just fun yk

[long bloom]

doin it for the love of the game

[timber glacier]

Well hes the god of war did you expect him to like cure cancer or something

Also at least he isn’t lying about those “justifications” those two liars have

[eager bluff]

dogma without god of war? probably just runs scientology or some shit
god of war without dogma? yeah hes bad but he probably just ends up being a superpowered angry drunk
put them together? well now you're giving the directionless violence of the god of war a directed outlet and also giving the religious fanatic a walking nuclear bomb to use as he pleases

[timber glacier]

They complete eachother 💗

Too bad when they died they were seperated and will forever be apart

[rain osprey]

he turns people into dinosaurs

[timber glacier]

Wait thats epic actually

[eager bluff]

both of them. turn people into dinosaurs

[rain osprey]

you know the existence of vanilla amber means dinosaurs are canon in cal

[long bloom]

they're just draconic offshoots

[raven brook]

the existence of horse mounts mean horses are canon in calamity. this is rather unfortunate

[timber glacier]

Wait hear me out there should eventually be an achievement where you bring the reworked perforators and hive mind together where its reuinited the couple

[long bloom]

:(

[visual kiln]

lizards in the temple be looking awfully dinosaur-like

[rain osprey]

lizards aren't dinosaurs though

[timber glacier]

Wait are there any non-flying snakes in game or is there only flying ones

[long bloom]

only flying

[timber glacier]

Wait I guess snake charmers flute

But shhh that doesn’t exist

[rain osprey]

we don't know it doesn't have wings in the pot

[timber glacier]

Fake item

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

The only bad item in the upper underground desert chests

The world would be better without flute unironically

Underground desert slander would forever be stopped

Wait hear me out is snake charmer’s flute’s snake kind of a worm enemy if you think about it

[raven brook]

what did it do to you

[timber glacier]

It causes upper underground desert chests to only 3/4 times have a good item instead of always

Like genuinely it does make the loot overall kinda worse cos without it chests in the upper 4/7 of the underground desert would always contain either dunerdier boots (broken), magic conch (so nice to have) or ancient chisel (incredible to help mining more bearable)

It should’ve been a secondary loot item like encumbering stone

[raven brook]

maybe they could turn it into a secondary loot drop or something

yea

[timber glacier]

Maybe then the immense underground desert slander would cease

[raven brook]

ive used it a bit before specially earlygame when i dont have good vertical mobility but its a bit odd to put it alongside heavy hitters like magic conch or chisel

[timber glacier]

Its probably better than like most of gold chest honestly but like since its competing with upper underground desert look yeah its buns

[cosmic zenith]

Not really
But at the same time, there is a dinosaur pet

[timber glacier]

Also dino transformation

[rain osprey]

yeah that's what i meant sorry

amber mosquito i think it is?

i always get it confused with old amber

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, Amber Mosquito

[timber glacier]

Mosquitos must be canon too

[agile matrix]

is it bad that i consider war and dogma kinda deconstructions of yharim? like if i were to take dogma and war and put them into one body, they would be strikingly like yharim in most aspects outside goals

[timber glacier]

That is probably very good for showing yharims goal leading him to become the things he swore to destroy

[agile matrix]

i mean i also consider the gods closer to each other than not and given yharims method of seek destroy and lie that too works

[timber glacier]

Now I wonder how those two first met

[west plume]

all the non flying ones are hidden in the grass

🐍

[timber glacier]

No actually all the snakes are just chilling slightly in front of plane we play on

They’re always there watching us

[agile matrix]

intriguing idea: dogma poses as a savior and healer of those who are “cursed” to bring more under their flock and therefore uses light yet strained colors (like neon colors but bleached) ((think pale gold))
alternatively, war instead focuses on the terror that war can inflict instead of the sheer bloodshed, incorporating brighter and more eye-popping colors the stronger the force to have people only remember the color and blur instead of the name or face

aka: how to make ichor and cursed flame work well with their design

[raven brook]

im pretty sure thats the intention

[timber glacier]

I did just have the idea for war to have like a cloak think kinda like yharim’s but have it be made of multiple differetn small strips of cloth so its kinda like the perforators themselves being in their design

[raven brook]

yharim was raised y dogma in some way or the other so

[rain osprey]

hi syrup

[agile matrix]

wasnt it dogma finds the kid and prepares them to becomr a god and war raises them or is that outdated

[raven brook]

i have no idea where that came from

but dogma was in the cult or whtaever it is that dogma lead and was chosen to be the god-king so

in some way or another yharim was raised under dogma

whether directly or not

[timber glacier]

They clearly both raised yharim as his loving gay dads

[long bloom]

new working name is the god society

[timber glacier]

Wait was the group like consisting of like mostly gods

Or is it just war and dogma who were gods in it

[raven brook]

im pretty sure it was multiple gods beyond those that participated on it

[long bloom]

whole council of em

[raven brook]

its just that dogma was their leader

[cosmic zenith]

Fun fact, the first iteration of the SSO Mirage Newt was instead a Mirage Rattlesnake that acted as a mostly neutral mob

[raven brook]

idk if war was even a part of it or if he was more of like

hired muscle

[timber glacier]

I’m assuming like if we know the other gods in it They’d probably all be evil and stuff

[raven brook]

you send me to beat shit up, you get your enemies getting their shit beaten up

win win situation

[raven brook]

we don't

[west plume]

hi sunny

[rain osprey]

:D

[timber glacier]

I would guess they would at least not care about the stuff that dogma is doing so like probably not many like super nice guys there

[raven brook]

hrad to be a good person when you're directly supporting the literal God of Dogma who is a fascist political leader who probably had slaves

the evil biome is evil for a reason

er. evil biome(s)

[rain osprey]

When Dogma was human, they never had much as a kid.. just loving parents, stability, and a mansion, and a thriving trading enterprise for them to inherit.. USLESS CRAP LIKE THAT

[timber glacier]

Dogma being a rich kid is honestly kinda fire

[raven brook]

I believe current plans have it so dogma was the monk of the dragon of faith

[west plume]

guy in a bomb factory: time for another politically and morally neutral day of clocking into the bomb factory

[raven brook]

and killed it after the foovs incident

something something losing faith in the dragon's protection something something

of course shits not ingame so. could change

[west plume]

i just think of that whenever people say anything positive of the deific council

[timber glacier]

Well what if those bombs were for like mining huh

[visual kiln]

hi sunny

[raven brook]

they were happy bombs

that spread glitter and joy

[west plume]

our BOMB company that makes BOMBS produces BOMBS for mining. therefore, there are two sides to the bombing people issue

[rain osprey]

it is morally neutral

someone's gotta put all those bombs in random underground pots

[timber glacier]

The demolitionist isn’t evil don’t discriminate based on profession

[long bloom]

how do u know

[timber glacier]

The demolitionist was actually once a member of the god society

God of explosions

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

he joined by accident while drunk thinking it was a drinking club and nobody had the heart to tell him

[cosmic zenith]

I am actually a morally good bomb dealer

[timber glacier]

How much they cost? I could use a pipe bomb. For totally moral reasons of course

[cosmic zenith]

For free! Check your mailbox, preferrably without anti-bomb equipment or any sort of personal protection

[timber glacier]

Woah I’ll go check!

[cosmic zenith]

Man
You really know you're starting to lose your marbles when you almost accidentally brush your teeth with liquid soap

[west plume]

close enough

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-eto-bleh-anime-bleh-gif-26784876

[timber glacier]

I can’t wait for the god of brushing your teeth to be revealed

[cosmic zenith]

Literally in my case (liquid soap is right next to the toothpaste)

[west plume]

y not place soap on other side of sink

then u build muscle memory for soap on one side

[cosmic zenith]

They're both on the left; to the right, there's little space and then the wall

I'm also left-handed so

Let's hope my single braincell doesn't die

[timber glacier]

Brain of cthulhu 3 seconds before I kill him

[late veldt]

How far do you think Yharim would have gotten into the crusade without Draedon?

[timber glacier]

Didn’t he do a lot of it without him

[late veldt]

I think it's reasonable to say he couldn't have beaten Shakidou, but

[late veldt]

Draedon was the first major ally to the crusade

[timber glacier]

Like he killed hogma and war pre-draedon I thought

[late veldt]

Before even Permafrost

[timber glacier]

The lore doc says he met permafrost first

[manic coral]

Unless this was a recent change after I left the writing team, he met Draedon first

[timber glacier]

Like the lore document in the pins lists permafrost joining first Unless I misread

[manic coral]

Within the first decade of it even

Anyways my take is absolutely not because like

[late veldt]

I mean, Draedon does put a pretty definitive timeline for when he joined, and when the crusade started

[manic coral]

The technological leaps ahead of everything else was their biggest advantage

It was what led to the crusade "snowballing"

[late veldt]

Yeah

My main thing is

Could someone else have done him in other than Shakidou?

They're, like, the absolute height of the crusade

[split mortar]

Only the like first 22 yers iirc

[timber glacier]

Wait is it actually 22

[late veldt]

But he probably wouldn't have even gotten that far without Draedon, esp considering his footsoldiers would have been basically just fodder

[manic coral]

Yeah somewhere around there

[timber glacier]

Is that the real number

[split mortar]

Draedon says the time and im p sure its 22 years and some months i think?

[manic coral]

Yeah his entire military force would be missing a humongous part of what made it so mighty

It also helped with propaganda a lot

[late veldt]

Granted, he probably would have gotten through a great chunk of the of the gods by himself

[timber glacier]

I wonder if they chose that number because like of the like 22 bullet meme theory thing or whatever

[late veldt]

Doesn't take much to stomp a golem

[manic coral]

It doesn't matter how strong Yharim is in this scenario, really. He's only one person.

One person can't conquer the world

[late veldt]

Well, we're not talking just him, I just threw that out there

he still has everything he did before Draedon

[timber glacier]

He also had yharon

[late veldt]

Which then again, was basically just a cool dragon and poor fucking infantry

[timber glacier]

Who didn’t get stronger because of draedon’s help

[manic coral]

His military force was loyal and effective, but not on a whole different level from anything else

[timber glacier]

Hes probably just as strong
Also yharon was still really strong

[manic coral]

It'd have been stopped eventually

[late veldt]

Yeah, Yharon is the biggest player here, though we don't know how strong exactly Yharim was at this point in the crusade

It is also One Dragon

[timber glacier]

Would he still eventually “recruit” calamitas

[manic coral]

Also remember that Yharim and Yharim were not always as strong as they are at the time the game takes place

[late veldt]

Get like 4-6 mid tier gods together and you have a solid chance of doing both of them in at this point

[young socket]

THERES TWO OF THEM NOW?!

[manic coral]

Shut

[young socket]

no

[manic coral]

You know what I mean

[young socket]

uhm. no.

[manic coral]

But yeah those two can only do so much

[robust osprey]

YHARTOSIS

[late veldt]

Actually, was shakidou after the incineration of azafure?

[manic coral]

Even assuming they're as strong as they are now

[split mortar]

THERE WERE TWO?

[late veldt]

Azafure might have been the killing blow in this scenario

[timber glacier]

Don’t we know like nothing about shakidoku

[young socket]

can we snail react siffrin gun

[robust osprey]

yeah snail react them

[timber glacier]

Actually snail react you

[split mortar]

Shakidou afaik was in the middle of the crusade while azafure exploding was near the very end

[late veldt]

Yeah

Actually, that brings up another question

Would Permafrost join without Draedon?

[timber glacier]

Probably yes

Draedon probably not why he joined at all

[manic coral]

Honestly probably not

[split mortar]

All orangutans vs the sun

[late veldt]

Because if not, well pure logistics are probably what does the crusade in

[manic coral]

You have to consider that draedon wasn't just a reason they were strong

That strength and dominance was a propaganda thing too

[late veldt]

yeah you mentioned the propaganda

[manic coral]

Being more well equipped and having a better standard of living and such

[late veldt]

From what I understand Yharim is one hell of a tactician and Propagandist, but doesn't really know what the hell a supply line is

obviously exaggerating, but

[manic coral]

This was a VERY important part of what got a lot of people on-side after it spread further

Not just a thing of ideals, but

Yeah

[robust osprey]

join us, we have robots

[young socket]

join us we have washing machines

[manic coral]

It's harder to spin a narrative of something like that with a crusade thats struggling far more and expanding far slower

That, again, while strong and loyal

Isn't anything that hasn't been seen before ever

[late veldt]

honestly, Providence might have an ego to take him on without those two

[manic coral]

Honestly I do think that Providence is a pretty likely candidate for who eventually ends it yeah

Dealing with Providence is a logistical nightmare

[split mortar]

Providence sliming half a city in a few minutes because shes bored then vanishing

[late veldt]

Brody Fox Voice

YO CRUSADE SO MISMANAGED, PROVIDENCE ISNT EVEN AFRAID OF YOU

[manic coral]

You know in an earlier incarnation of the story Providence actually killed Yharim at one point

I didn't end up going through with it but

Er

Yharom

Yharom

Fuck

[late veldt]

What

[manic coral]

Yharon

THERE WE GO

see look I can type

[young socket]

writer btw

[mighty zenith]

it'd work on me idk

[manic coral]

But yes Yharon had to take time to revive at some point after Providence killed him but ultimately that didn't end up making the cut

Since I couldn't find a way to fit it in the tineline

[robust osprey]

I dunno about that

[late veldt]

Yeah, that sounds like it'd be clunky

[manic coral]

There was no point in which Yharon being gone for like 10-20 years fit

[late veldt]

Not to mention Yharim

being

Dead

[manic coral]

No?

Unless you're joking about my typo

[late veldt]

Oh

I thought you genuinely meant Yharim was killed

[manic coral]

Why do you think I corrected myself doofus

[late veldt]

I thought you were starting a new statement

[manic coral]

Well if I also have roc clarify then there are not two Yharims that was also a typos

But yeah just never found a way to work it in

Anywho I have stuff to go do now

Byebye

[robust osprey]

bye cei

[west plume]

yharim does actually have a doppelganger but she's a good guy and she makes all the wulfrum gyrators

[robust osprey]

female yharim is the hidden hero of calamity

[late veldt]

Yheren Wulfrum??????

[robust osprey]

cant believe it

[late veldt]

we were all so blind

[robust osprey]

yheren is canon to calamity...

[leaden bridge]

Congrats on her transition

[late veldt]

wait, specifically the gyrators?

the other ones aren't her?

[west plume]

she only has enough moneys for the gyrators

[split mortar]

Yheren makes the wulfrum gyrators what the shit

[west plume]

cant expect a girl to do everything

[wanton pendant]

The Yharlings make the rest.

[late veldt]

Holy hell. The Popcorn Chickens

[manic coral]

Mmmm yummy gyrators

[robust osprey]

gayrators

[wheat walrus]

destroy

[wanton pendant]

Wanting to destroy the gay robots?
Concerning.

[split mortar]

Sell your spine disney is suing those with spines

[wheat walrus]

i didnt even realize yall were talm abt gay robots 😭

[spare pier]

Didn't you just forget about it?

[manic coral]

yes which is why i couldnt find a way to fit it in afterwards

[spare pier]

Fair enough

[dusk laurel]

wheres the lorax

[wanton pendant]

You gotta start the deforestation event.

[noble falcon]

Can we get a Yharim animatic of Biggering

[light linden]

just had a thought

how adaptive is the ai onboard thanatos?

because I feel like there would reasonably be a point where it'd stop opening the vents near the terrarian if they don't seem to care about the heat

[wanton pendant]

Then it would overheat and melt from the inside.

[light linden]

mmm

that's assuming that it absolutely HAS to vent the entire body at once

[wanton pendant]

If it didn't have to vent the heat, it would just not open.

[light linden]

reasonably it could keep other vents open just for a bit longer

[wanton pendant]

It's a really big mech.

[light linden]

yes ik

[wanton pendant]

Can't ventilate heat at the top from the bottom.

[agile matrix]

why doesnt it vent the heat on the other side

where we cant hit it

is it stupid

[long bloom]

[sinful adder]

You can with a better cooling loop

[edgy frigate]

“WormGPT

Generate me a photo of Draedon making sweet love to Yharim”

and then Thanatos instantly overheats

[river python]

how strong is la ruga

[light linden]

I wasn't saying that

just not opening the vent directly in front of the person trying to kill you

[topaz viper]

oh my

amazing greeting

[hoary cape]

Not canon

That's some fandom creature 😂

[timber glacier]

Scales to universal level

[long vine]

it devoured ten multiverses with a single bite and was knocked out by a child with a rock the next day

[feral skiff]

how strong is Supremest Calamitas

apparently shes more supreme than even Supreme Calamitas

[long bloom]

less than supremer calamitas

[timber glacier]

Less supreme than yet supremer calamitas

[pulsar ocean]

what if calamitas was betrayed and thrown in a hyperbolic time chamber for 1000 years

[feral skiff]

it would be like that spongebob clip where he awakens in future land

[timber glacier]

What if calamitas was hit by a flying piece of rock when the brimstone elemental did the destroy azafure thing

[soft flame]

yharim would have attempted to vaporize ilmeris himself and fail horribly

[timber glacier]

Evil timeline where he sends permafrost to snowgrave freeze over ilmeris instead

Do we currently know anything about shakidou outside of them being the god of emptiness

[raven brook]

the fact they were one of the strongest gods, 2nd strongest we know of behind xeroc and that apparently their fight against yharim was a really monumental and important moment in yharim's crusade history

ofc not ingame so who knows what will happen but this seems to be fairly solidifeid

[wanton pendant]

Yharim needed the real super power of teamwork to take them down.
In-game, they don't exist basically.

[timber glacier]

Almost like… where they would appear is empty…

But I do wonder generally how they were aligned like were they a good god or were they like neutral or evil i wonder

[long bloom]

neutral if i had to guess

[wanton pendant]

Given how at the time there was only, like, two beings stronger than them, they couldn't be too bad because they could very easily do whatever the hell they wished.

[wheat walrus]

2023 level

[pulsar ocean]

quite the power gap between 2nd strongest and strongest god

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc built different.

[noble falcon]

Imagine we beat yharim, he pulls one last trick and takes us to the mortal world, tries to destroy everything we have set up only to get bonked by a fallen star and die

[spark kindle]

im imagining yharim loading a few mini nuke 2s into his celebmk2 and going ballistic

[sinful adder]

He's already in the "mortal world"

Just a different part of it

[noble falcon]

You know what I meant
The main terraria space

[sinful adder]

Also he can't teleport

Then yeah

But like he's not going to do that because he doesn't want to

He wants to fight you and doesn't particularly hate the stuff you've made

That kind of move makes a lot more sense for someone like DoG

[spark kindle]

imagine if all worm bosses destroyed blocks

[leaden bridge]

what if the world was made of pudding

[noble falcon]

What if I slice Yharim with Gael’s Greatsword and it turns out he’s an Exo Tesla Cake

[leaden bridge]

idk thatd probably have repercussions

[noble falcon]

Meanwhile the real one has made his dastardly escape in a puff of Yharon-shaped smoke

[gaunt harness]

Hello everyone, I have a question: who wrote the lore of the mod before March 2023? I'm currently working on a novel based on it, and I'd like to get in touch with the author to ask about some lore details or any information I haven't been able to find on the wiki.

[sinful adder]

I'm not exactly sure but there isn't a good answer for drama reasons. How far along are you in writing the novel?

To elaborate: the original creator of the calamity mod was basically exiled for being a completely horrible person, and they were responsible for the original version of the lore, but other people were also involved and I don't know how much

The mod's lore also was partially rewritten many times even before 2023

Also: the lore writers of the current version all agree that the old lore was kind of awful for several reasons. Parts of it made no sense (if you have a setting with lots people who can easily destroy the world, then the world should have already been destroyed)

[gaunt harness]

Yeah, I'm writing about Calamitas' childhood. I'm referencing the backstories from the wiki, specifically about the Brimstone Crag, the Supreme Witch, and the lore of the Calamity Mod.

[sinful adder]

Ah ok

I mean you can probably do that but the calamity mod devs might not be very happy about it? Because like, you don't own calamity mod

The lore writers are here sometimes, you can ask them

They'll probably respond to this eventually

[cosmic zenith]

Is this a personal project, or a novel you plan to publish later down the line?

[gaunt harness]

This is a personal project. If anyone wants to see it, I'll probably show them, but I'm definitely not going to publish it. Like he said, I don't have the copyright — this should be considered fan content, just using scrapped lore.

[sinful adder]

In that case it's fine

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, in that case it's fine

[sinful adder]

If you planned to publish it then you could probably reach some kind of agreement with the devs as long as you asked, I would think

But they'd probably want you to use the new lore

[cosmic zenith]

From what I understand, you are referencing exclusively "old lore" (the lore before March 2023). Do you have any plans to reference the new lore?

I can find a way to contact at least one old lore writer, I think

[sinful adder]

Because we get so many people that have been lied to by scummy lore YouTubers

[cosmic zenith]

I wouldn't assume anything tbh
But yes, we're always willing to listen anyways

[sinful adder]

That's why I emphasized it was an assumption but maybe I should have said it was a guess

[gaunt harness]

Actually, I'm not planning to use any new lore at the moment, because what got me into the mod a long time ago was its old lore and music.

[cosmic zenith]

Alright
I ask mostly because the old lore and new lore teams are entirely different

@violet sparrow Is one of such old lore writers
Mrrp, can you help here, or direct them to someone who could?

[cosmic zenith]

I do have to ask - have you been able to get the old version of Calamitas' lore from the wiki...?

[gaunt harness]

Yes, I found it, and I also noted down some changes, like why she turned into an eye, though I won't be using that eye‑transformation lore.

[cosmic zenith]

I'm glad to hear
I wasn't sure it was still there
I'm not really a wiki person lol

[gaunt harness]

Oh, I saw him on an old Calamity wiki — the page about the Brimstone Witch's dialogue having a 1/4444 chance of being replaced by another line.

[cosmic zenith]

Yep lol

[gaunt harness]

So should I add him on Discord? I'm still not really familiar with the community culture on Discord and stuff like that.

[gaunt harness]

I actually put quite a bit of effort into making these rough lore pieces more coherent without contradicting the wiki. I'm more inclined to build a world that feels real, kind of like Tolkien did — I've read a lot of materials and books for that.

[cosmic zenith]

Just wait for his answer here, for the moment

[gaunt harness]

Ok, thanks

[cosmic zenith]

No problem!

[scenic kraken]

Including THE GOAT

WaterWraithGaming

[light linden]

hi stip

[violet sparrow]

@cosmic zenith @gaunt harness You can do whatever with “old lore” in terms of fan content, no one really minds.

A lot of it’s nonsense made up just to retroactively fit the garbage design choices of early cal anyway, like plaguebringer/ravager/etc

Fabsol wrote a lot of the yharim and cal stuff obviously so idc what you do with those

If you want to write a cohesive world you’d do best by starting from scratch, god knows I wanted to

[long bloom]

how are you writing about old lore if you're getting stuff from the wiki

it has the new lore

[gaunt harness]

The wiki has history pages — they contain the edit history of the old lore from 2017 up to around July 2022, which is mostly the old version. That's where I gathered my information. I did think about going to the forums to dig up Fabsol's early nonsense, but then I figured I don't really need to follow him down that route.

[long bloom]

there's a google doc for everything my friend
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14H0fmHigzvTxbQ1ipWOhD9bpN-49tN6cCs6Jb4QZRLw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[gaunt harness]

Oh wow, thanks for the doc! If I had found this earlier, I wouldn't have been digging through the wiki like an idiot. Let me take a look first.

[gaunt harness]

Thanks for the advice — I actually already put together a full timeline of historical events, from the birth of the universe up to Yharim's wars, before starting the actual writing. Helps keep things coherent. Now I just need to cross-check it against this doc and make a few tweaks. Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

[violet sparrow]

For reference this was never official or entirely correct either

Old lore really really needed a complete clean slate but it wasn’t ever possible because of how much crust cal has

[gaunt harness]

Thanks for the heads-up, I'll keep that in mind.

[sacred pilot]

I still can't believe there are actually people who prefer the old lore (btw not a dig at you Undaria)

[scenic kraken]

Ah yes, The Diddy Disciple

Hmmm, I wonder if a fanfic of calamity would be cool

Mmmm

Made up lore...

My favorite 🤤

[gaunt harness]

Honestly, before the lore got reworked, I used to listen to DM DOKURO's songs hundreds of times and just read through all that old stuff while listening 🤤
I guess my imagination was better back then — I pictured a ton of things in my head, even though I never actually wrote any of it down.

[wanton pendant]

Remember to adapt the most critical scene, the Yharim table punch.

[wanton pendant]

Does Amidias slither?

[sacred pilot]

GFB Yharim fight and he instakills you by slamming a desk.

[timber glacier]

Yharim fist weapon that has you slam a table, killing all enemies on the screen

[hoary cape]

Comically large desk

[gaunt harness]

Honestly, the version I read didn't have any of those goofy meme bits — at least on the surface, it came across as really coherent and even moving. Might be thanks to the translation group. If the version I first saw was what you guys are describing, I probably never would have had the idea to write this story in the first place.

So the old lore I'm following is mainly based on that. As for whatever drunken ramblings Fabsol might have come out with, I have no idea

[steep ledge]

is shadowspec canon ?

[wanton pendant]

No.

[split mortar]

Anything that is a dev item is not canon
Same for anything else under the dedicated content stuff

[steep ledge]

ok thank you

[cosmic zenith]

Hi

Sorry, I had just went to sleep then

[violet sparrow]

*slams fist into the wall, cracking it

[wanton pendant]

See a doctor.

[violet sparrow]

My favorite part of that is that I can’t remember if I’m quoting alphakip or fabsol

[wanton pendant]

Who?

[sacred pilot]

With the future doc it does seem a bit like Shadowspec armor will be changed to like.

Post-Calamitas.

Rather than being both post-Calamitas and post-Exo Mechs.

[wanton pendant]

That's Demonshade.

Which will stop being Shadowspec.

[sacred pilot]

I forgot it's name mb.

[pulsar ocean]

is shadowspec gonna be moved to post yharim if he drops

[split mortar]

Yeah

[abstract hedge]

Pretty sure yeah

[long scaffold]

How many gods are there?

Ik there's Prov/Ravager/Slimey/etc but who else that we don't see

[cloud ibex]

i think the rough estimate is like

1500 or so

if you mean gods ever

[wanton pendant]

Do you mean how many are left?

[long scaffold]

Both

Both is good

[wanton pendant]

A few dozen left on the high end.

[cloud ibex]

if you meant how many by the time you start playing, we don't know the exact number but not a lot

[long scaffold]

How many Auric Souls are there at least

[wanton pendant]

Around 3000, assuming it hasn't changed.

Or, well, one technically.

[long scaffold]

I was under the impression that there were only a dozen or so gods ever and Yharim's killed basically every one that isn't in game

[cloud ibex]

nah there were quite a lot

[wanton pendant]

It would have been an extremely underwhelming Crusade then.

[long scaffold]

There was a chart with a bunch of gods/dragons and I thought they were the only ones

[long scaffold]

Still having to crusade through the worshippers of 10 or so gods is still a lot

[cloud ibex]

besides the ones you meet/will meet, there might've been a few that slipped through the crusade's fingers but the vast majority of gods died

[wanton pendant]

The infections are each made of hundreds of gods.

[long scaffold]

Do the gods' souls go anywhere or is that power just lost to time?

[long scaffold]

I thought they were just War/Dogma

[wanton pendant]

They are only a tiny fraction.

[cloud ibex]

they explode and, if left unattended, turn into infection biomes like the corruption, crimson and hallow

[wanton pendant]

Infections.

[robust osprey]

converted into crimson/corruptipn, eaten by WoF or eaten by DoG

[long scaffold]

ah

[robust osprey]

thats where they go

[cloud ibex]

they're the primary gods of their respective biomes but there were others in the mix

[long scaffold]

Is Silva the only properly disposed one not eaten by DoG/sealed in the wall?

[robust osprey]

silva is alive

kinda

[long scaffold]

Yeah I was about to ask that next
What is going on down there?

Yharim doesn't seem like someone to spare a goddess

[cloud ibex]

he isn't

[wanton pendant]

She won't die.

[robust osprey]

silva is inmortal

[split mortar]

P sure thats just the evil2 bosses, the biomes are more equal iirc

[cloud ibex]

but silva literally can't die unless he were to also kill all other living beings on the planet including himself

[robust osprey]

yeah shes the life elemental

[split mortar]

Nature

[robust osprey]

same shit

[cloud ibex]

putting her in gay baby abyss jail after putting her through the woodchipper is the closest he can get

[split mortar]

Ok thats true

[long scaffold]

Okay

Did the dragon she stole the soul from also have that power?

Just circumvented via Terminus ritual

[split mortar]

Life dragon uh
We dunno what it did or could do

[wanton pendant]

It was the Dragon of Life.
Silva's immortality is from being an Elemental.

[robust osprey]

yeah every elemental is immortal unless their element is gone

which

good luck killing all life in the planet bud

[split mortar]

Especially if it includes the other elementals

[feral skiff]

does Silva’s power include microbes & bacteria?

[cloud ibex]

i'd wager a guess so

[pulsar ocean]

Holy shit i underestimated the amount of dragons i thought there were like a couple hundred at best

[raven brook]

its live . probably

[pulsar ocean]

mr beast

[raven brook]

the number of how many dragons there were is not real

dev statement hell is not real

[wanton pendant]

The better question is do viruses count as they're natural but not alive.

[raven brook]

make shit up

[feral skiff]

if so you’d have to clean every square millimetre of the planet which is extremely unfeasible

considering that theres trillions of them

[raven brook]

for every hyperspecific number given by a dev statement on a particular thing 1 angel loses its wings

yharim born may 6th 1783

[long scaffold]

If you kill everything else viruses would all die so it doesn't really matter if you think of it

[pulsar ocean]

ill cling onto this for the rest of times

[feral skiff]

to destroy Silva you’d have to turn the planet into Venus pretty much

[raven brook]

incredible

[long scaffold]

If all life leaves the planet does it still count

Yharim gives me vibes of annihilating the planet and taking everything important away to kill one goddess

Who's not even a really immoral one

[feral skiff]

i dont think Yharim could annihilate the planet

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt yharim just ask draedon to build him a spaceship so he can send silva to outer space

[split mortar]

Because silva is in the abyss

[pulsar ocean]

ok but what if yharim was smarter and didnt throw her there

[feral skiff]

also like. this is genius. why didnt anyone here think of that

[pulsar ocean]

and instead threw her into outer space

[noble falcon]

What is Yharim’s favorite vocaloid out of the core Crypton 6

[split mortar]

The fucks core crypton 6

[pulsar ocean]

bro i think yharim might be stupid

[wanton pendant]

Goku.

[noble falcon]

Miku, Rin/len, Luka, Meiko, kaito
You know, the ‘official’ ones

[pulsar ocean]

like from superman

[noble falcon]

I shouldn’t have asked this

[feral skiff]

his favourite vocaloid out of the core Crypton 6 would be the Crypton 6

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/himmel-the-hero-himmel-frieren-sousou-no-frieren-frieren-anime-sparkles-gif-8586381365247325695

[cosmic zenith]

Varies between writers (as almost any numeric estimate)

[cosmic zenith]

In my personal opinion, hundreds is a major highball

I am noticeably more tame in regards to god and dragon counts compared to Archon and Cei
I dunno what Ozz and syrup think

[wanton pendant]

I think there should be a lot of them. Makes the Crusade seem much more justifiably deadly.

[wheat walrus]

agreeable

[cosmic zenith]

Over 2000 dragons/gods is not only a major stretch if you consider how domains work, but it also makes dragons/gods look like cannon fodder and individually irrelevant

[leaden bridge]

World soul shard number 1578 when you ask what domain it has

[cosmic zenith]

Exactly

In a world with 2000 gods, Yharim would need to kill 20 of them in each year of the Crusade
1-2 per month

Our world has around 200 heads of state; let's assume there are 800 people who are major cultural influences
That still leaves 1000 superpowered individuals who remained in obscurity despite having centuries to build up a reputation

As I said, cannon fodder and culturally irrelevant

[light linden]

personally I think 1100 is a decent number

[hoary cape]

Yharim is just that much of a threat

To have killed 1000+ gods

[light linden]

I mean

it's decently likely all the dead ones he didn't kill himself

I could see a few gods dying to other gods before yharim was even born

others killed by godseeker knights

[raven brook]

tb i think its entirely plausible some gods would be largely culturally irrelevant and wouldn't really act as the sort of political leaders that alot of the gods we know of are

but yeah i do agree that im not a fan of such a large number

i personally like the idea of the amount of dragons/gods being in the lower hundreds

somewhere around 200-300 for dragons with a smaller number for gods

[raven brook]

i also think that the evil biomes would be made of like, a little over or less than 10 gods

i like to think corruption is largely the manipulative and politically controlling gods of the god council, while crimson is mostly violent gods that rallied up with war to gain the spoils and fortune of conquest

[spare pier]

My guesstimate for the evil biomes has always been 16 - 24.

I think that number is high enough that it helps explain why it never happened before but low enough to be reasonable.

[raven brook]

i think my personal number for em would each be around 8 - 14

with the numbers not necessarily being equal

[long bloom]

hallow would be like 20-35 imo

[raven brook]

based on the idea that corruption is god council and crimson is a bunch of gods that worked with war to demolish and conquer shit i think corruption would have a higher number

after hardmode they'd gain more essence of different gods thatd mostly just be rnadom evil guys that got stored inside wof, not really directly related to those groups so yeah

[reef wigeon]

Uhhh

Idk

Oh and hello channel

How are you?

[long bloom]

buh

[plucky lichen]

Hi!

Hello!

Hai!

[reef wigeon]

Konnichiwa (?

Hajime Kashimo desu, idk

[split mortar]

Throw bricks at the trees

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, there we obviously irrelevant gods, but not in such a massive proportion and number

[cosmic zenith]

I think this is a good estimate
Though I'd have to research a little to confirm

[spare pier]

Can always bump it down a little.

[reef wigeon]

throws lightning bolts at houses

[long bloom]

earthmover speech bubble

[reef wigeon]

It's like, the same thing but in my style

[raven brook]

yeah thatd make sense

1000 random ass chuds

ascending and doing fucking nothing 🔥

[reef wigeon]

Potential for parallel storylines, I suppose (?

But yeah

[pulsar ocean]

arent most gods like actual cannon fodder

[wanton pendant]

No.

[pulsar ocean]

was the shakidou fight before or after yharim got the armor upgrade

[long bloom]

way way before

the armor upgrade was like

6 months before the terrarian shows up

[pulsar ocean]

so basically current yharim no diffs shakidou whomst is the 2nd strongest god so 20 dead gods per year is very much doable

[long bloom]

fuckin everything happened before

[long bloom]

you still have to find them though

and kill their followers

[pulsar ocean]

why do the 2nd part

what is a bunch of cultists gonna do? make another ravager?

[long bloom]

did you read skeletron prime's lore item

[pulsar ocean]

oh right

[raven brook]

i don't think yharim would nodiff shakidou even now

[pulsar ocean]

i kinda forgot gods didnt show up at yharim's doorstep

[raven brook]

it would still be a hard ass fight he'd just have better chances of victory than he did back then

itd be like calamitas vs yharim basically

yharim would win most of the time but it wouldn't be a easy fight

[wanton pendant]

Shakidou is between Yharon and Calamitas, and Yharim is not like 500x stronger than Calamitas or something.

[long bloom]

he fought shakidou early in the crusade yes, but he had yharon and probably some godseeker knights and it was still pretty close

current day solo yharim would absolutely get a run for his money

[cosmic zenith]

• Yharim wasn't always this strong
• 20 gods per year exactly makes them look like cannon fodder
• You have to face at least the god themself, and at most a full-blown empire
• I don't think current Yharim would no diff Shakidou

[raven brook]

gods not being unviersally uber powerful makes sense, not everyone is gonna be a shakidou or a silva

but also the fact someone had to kill a dragon and ascend with its soul should still mean something

there should still be noticeable power there

their power levels vary alot but all of them should still be atleast impressive to most people and have powers that few would really achieve

even the weakest of gods i imagine would be around mid hardmode in strenght

[sacred pilot]

Shakidou was on the like.

Top 10 when it comes to the strongest Gods.

[split mortar]

Literally 2nd place to xeroc

[sacred pilot]

Yeah.

[pulsar ocean]

is slime god getting re-tier'd at any point

[cosmic zenith]

Possibly

[split mortar]

I disagree with this cause like
It puts mid tier gods at what, late hardmode early post ml? The average is too close to providence and other extremely strong gods imo

[raven brook]

tbf i dont think providence is what id classify as an extremely strong god

id say shes on the upper end yeah

but id say the extremely strong gods are the type of shit you'd see in the post ml endgame

i mean

it only makes sense

shakidou and silva both would be around there

[eager bluff]

providence is notably strong but not NOTABLY strong

[raven brook]

i think people hear dev statement that providence is supposed to be one of the stronger gods and extrapolate into her being like top 5 gods ever, atleast thats what it seems like

to me its more like

[split mortar]

She is literally called out to be something of such power that the likes of braelor or yharim himself are the only people who could reliably do this iirc

[raven brook]

lower end, mid hardmode

average, late hardmode

upper end, early post ml

absolute highest, endgame

[raven brook]

i mean

1. iirc he only comments on mortals capable of doing so
2. i dont think yharim would know of literally every single individual capable of beating providence ever as much as it's just a general statement in that his eyes you've accomplished something that only extremely few people would ever be able to do in his eyes

which i think is true

providence is strong enough where i think most people would never be able to fight against her but i don't think id asy she slike the top of what gods can be

we have the town npcs for reference on what an average non-combatant is like after all

Providene is definitely on the upper end of strenght but she shouldn't be seen as being a part of the absolute level of powers gods can each, imo

[eager bluff]

she isnt an eddie hall of the gods

[raven brook]

Dev statement moment but Tyrian and War might possibly be around her in strenght, and based on Ravager's placement chance are Agnus would be somewhere in there toe

so that'd imply all 4 of those guys would be amongst the strongest gods ever if it were the case rather than just , strong gods

[split mortar]

Yeah but the way cheese is wording it at least to me just seems like providence is just a decent bit above average idk inthink its just indont vibe with how cheese is wording this over disagreeing eith the actual point resulting in miscomunication that or its tiredness

[raven brook]

which imo feels a bit odd

[eager bluff]

she isnt really saying a decent bit above average

a decent bit above average would be like golem tier

[split mortar]

Yeah i acknowledge that oh my god bruh

[raven brook]

what time is it for you

[split mortar]

Just 9pm

[raven brook]

i think youre getting unecessarily frustrated

im not trying to be confrontational, just trying to explain what i think

i think a particularly weak god would be around the tier of the mechs

like real bottom of the barrel stuff

a more slightly under average god would be around calclone/plantera

[long bloom]

that makes the mechs themselves almost useless then

destroyer is meant to kill gods

how is bro gonna do that

[eager bluff]

there are 3 of them

[wanton pendant]

Power of friendship.

[raven brook]

I never thought of the mechs as being made as god killers

i don't remember what the actual lore ingame says for destroyer but

[long bloom]

destroyer is explicitly stated to be intended to best gods in single combat

[eager bluff]

also destroyer is repurposed mining equipment

[long bloom]

.

[raven brook]

i think that's eh

the idea that by the start of hardmode you're fighting guys that overpower gods isn't very cool imo

If skeletron prime is the war criminator that deals with civilians and footsoldiers, the twins are scouts and spies

[eager bluff]

i think the souls in destroyer being actual godseeker knights is

[raven brook]

then i can easily see destroyer being instead used as a tool to destroy cities and infrastructure

it is made out of repurposed mining equipment and is a giant fucking drill worm, after all

[long bloom]

perhaps, but that's not the current lore

[eager bluff]

wow it makes godseeker knights sound like weak shit

[raven brook]

there's also that yes

[wanton pendant]

Souls don't have muscles.

[raven brook]

I can see alot of this stuff changing going forward honestly

[long bloom]

it's just their consciousnesses
not power

[manic coral]

Where, exactly?

[raven brook]

Souls are established to have poewr in calamity

[long bloom]

bestiary

[manic coral]

If it does, it's certainly not in any of the whispers.

[raven brook]

Otherwise w wouldn't have well, things like polterghast or any of the soul stuff in the dungeon

[manic coral]

Ah. That explains it.

[raven brook]

Bestiary moment

[split mortar]

Imo

Absolute most pathetic gods - late pre hardmode
Below average - mech/calclone tier
Average - plantera/golem
strong - ravager/deus tier
Some of the strongest - early post ml
Top of the lot - DoG tier and above
Xeroc - Xeroc

[raven brook]

Yeah knowing the bestiary is definitely getting changes later

[raven brook]

Yeah that checks out for me

[wanton pendant]

Why don't the Vanilla Bestiary entries have a wiki page?

[cosmic zenith]

Tbf
There are probably lots of people who want to kill Providence

[raven brook]

Oh yeah definitely

[manic coral]

I was going to say, yes, we certainly didn't write that. Our intention was always that they were meant to take on things like large enemy forces, yes, but not the gods directly.

[raven brook]

Destroyer being made specifically to fight off gods is kind of goofy to me because it implies by early hrdmode you're already beyond the power level of average gods unless destroyer was EXPLICITLY made to fight really shitty weak gods

[long bloom]

i see

[cosmic zenith]

(Tyrian and Ravager have busted domains and War is actively working on his strength)

[raven brook]

Not only that, but the destroyer out ofa ll the mechs being the one that kills gods is 😭

Again i think itd make alot of sense

[wanton pendant]

Worms strong.

[eager bluff]

which also makes slime god seem like not actually that weak and more just average

[raven brook]

if the Destroyer was, well

literally

a destroyer

its a giant mining thing that collapses buildings and infrastructure, attacking the cities themselves rather than individuals

[raven brook]

Oh i'm meant to say less that i have a isuse with these particular gods being powerful

but the idea that out of the rather small number of gods we have

all 4 of those would be considered near the top

is a little weird

[manic coral]

Indeed, the idea was that each of them was good at something.

[split mortar]

So to me when cheese says the weakest of the gods i literally imagine the like
Goku blinded missing all his limbs betrayed in a pit situations like current slimegod where they are if anything trying to be weaker as still hardmode tier
Which then comes off as quite odd cause those are as much of a statistical outlier as the likes of war and shakidou afaik

[wanton pendant]

Spying, breaking, terrorism.

[manic coral]

Not nessesarily spying. It's a bit hard for a massive mech to do any spycraft.

[wanton pendant]

Just spray paint them camo.

[long bloom]

drone strikes

[raven brook]

Skeletron Prime is meant to deal with large groups of enemies aswell as being the War Crime Machine
Twins are meant to hunt down specific targets of interest and scout out for possible threats
Destroyer well, destroys buildings and infrastructure of enemy citings, fortresses, etc

[manic coral]

Observing and calculations, I'd say. Gathering and processing information.

[eager bluff]

this i think is the biggest issue with destroyer being both godseeker knights AND intended to actively fight gods

[raven brook]

i think the mechs being only 1 godseeker knight soul each rather than like a zillion basically solves this

they can be one godseeker kngiht and a bunch of other shitling soldiers

with the godseeker kngith soul being the 'pilot" of the mech essentially

[eager bluff]

it makes the weak shit god seem like its not actually weak shit and like the outliers are insanely far removed from the rest of the gods to the point of being unrealistic

[cosmic zenith]

How does that alter the situation exactly

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

Well there being a bunch of godseeker knight souls inside a mech implies that you need that many godseeker kngiht's souls to just get something as powerful as a single mech boss which makes them seem really weak, and less special, too

[cosmic zenith]

Physical strength isn't transferred to souls; willpower is what makes them powerful, and that's far from exclusive to the Godseeker Knights

[raven brook]

By instead making ti so it's only one godseeker knight soul who "pilots" the mech and the other souls are instead other lower tier soldiers, it makes the godseeker knights pop out as the more powerful and important of yharim's army

[manic coral]

That fact is a case of "Early Installment Weirdness", yes.

[raven brook]

While that is fair even with that in mind it still makes htem feel weak and less special

Even if you can justify a reason for it

[manic coral]

We fumbled a bit with that.

[raven brook]

Plus, having each mech be a single godseeker kngiht can add a bit of character than them

[wanton pendant]

So that's the modern lore's 'Draedon Bars'.

[manic coral]

Agreed.

[raven brook]

It means that effectively, each of the mech bosses is a godseeker knight fight

[cosmic zenith]

I agree that it would make more sense from an intuition standpoint, but from an in-universe perspective, I had to clarify it has little to no impact on actual power

[long bloom]

how strong was the average living godseeker knight i wonder

[raven brook]

and can help characterize them a bit. skeleprime was a godseeker knigth who was sadistic and violent, the twins were literal twins who used long-range weaponry, etc

[long bloom]

bc paladins are very dead

[manic coral]

An average is not going to help at all.

[split mortar]

Sadly
Souls of might

[wanton pendant]

Does being undead make them stronger or weaker?

[long bloom]

i see

[raven brook]

I don't think that really changes much

[manic coral]

There are many massive outliers on both ends.

[raven brook]

You can still amke sense of it

[eager bluff]

doesnt have to just be a whole fuckload of godseeker knights

[wanton pendant]

Godseeker Knight Soul Fragments.

[raven brook]

yeah they can just be the souls from the other lesser soldiers too

something something they adapted to the machine itself

[eager bluff]

all of the mech souls could just be regular guy souls that were empowered or something from extended proximity to a godseeker knights soul

[long bloom]

ehhhh

[manic coral]

We do not know if this is still a thing, but our interpertation was that becoming a Godseeker Knight was bestowed an individials who had proven their worth by slaying a god themselves, and thus had rather limited numbers in their ranks. We always imagined a bit over 100.

[long bloom]

a HUNDRED???

i thought there were like

30 max

[manic coral]

A reminder, this would have been throughout the entire Crusade.

[long bloom]

well i guess the crusade lasted a really fuckign long time

yeah

[raven brook]

i think them being empowered by being in proximity of the soul would be a bit weird but i still think something like this could make sense

i think itd be more to do with the machines themselves

[raven brook]

i mean

if there were only 30