lore-discussion

[leaden bridge]

i think its better if the planet kinda just d ie s because the lacks of its magics

[agile matrix]

not enough blue

[leaden bridge]

mars would never

[west plume]

ur not cool enough to talk to terraria

[timber glacier]

Mars was chill and stuff until it got omega obliterated or whatever

[agile matrix]

oh atually since im here: how were the gods' names made

[leaden bridge]

mars talked to everyone including jimmy dude

[pulsar ocean]

Themes n such

[agile matrix]

i ask because my fictional pantheon is very Unnamed right now and i need Names for them and i wanna know what sourced them

[timber glacier]

Thats why the martians are so advanced clearly

[leaden bridge]

because mars is chill af

[agile matrix]

i cannot have the god of war be named ares or mars. that just will not slide

theres more gods than greco-latin

[pulsar ocean]

Bartholomew

[agile matrix]

No

[west plume]

gods are kind of just Named based off of their ethnicity i believe. theres nothing stopping a modern god from yharim's empire being called John but i think you'd want something cooler

[leaden bridge]

alt history earth that somehow, in some way, leads to Sun Tzu, the god of war being a thing. this is apunchline with no setup

[agile matrix]

~~this also applies to Calamity's War and Dogma. i dont think they have names yet, unlike storms or sacrifice ~~

[west plume]

develop the culture you want your god to come from and then name them based off of that

how would your created culture name a person like that

[agile matrix]

hrm. the problem is that gods are born of the person above them in twos

but since war is not really a concept that can be opposited they kinda just stem from the two above them in union rather in harmony

[pulsar ocean]

joshu

[agile matrix]

aka: gods dont really have "ethnicities" but more "they kinda just spawn"

[west plume]

Joshu, God of Nuts

[cosmic zenith]

Hugh Mann, God of Divinity

[pulsar ocean]

god nut call

[leaden bridge]

woshua god of washing

dude

[timber glacier]

Warrel, god of war

[leaden bridge]

hugh morris god of comedy

[cosmic zenith]

Crazy

[agile matrix]

like knowledge has a harmony (temp name) of lying and truth since both are the disccusion of knowledge

[west plume]

Thatcher, God of Pain

[leaden bridge]

true!

[cosmic zenith]

Ira Sanguinos, Goddess of Death

[leaden bridge]

you are lowkirkenuinely retreading cookie run kingdom lore

[agile matrix]

see i dont know CR:K so i cant actually say i sourced that

[west plume]

your god may not be born of parents, but how are they a deity without a surrounding culture

[leaden bridge]

need u to be so real right now

[timber glacier]

Cookie run kingdom having lore is crazy I thought it was just some cookies running

[west plume]

insane ball knowledge btw

[leaden bridge]

not that insane id hope

[west plume]

cookie run has like 2 decades of lore

[leaden bridge]

there was a day this channel still had people asking about a tcw thing

[agile matrix]

oops!

[leaden bridge]

and it was not that long ago...

[west plume]

total calamity stopped being developed like 5 years ago

[agile matrix]

i mean at the very top of the tree you have being b who splits into two who are basically just yin and yang

[cosmic zenith]

I wish people were that quick to forget older stuff

[agile matrix]

if an opposite dies or is unable to exact power, their coupling has to take that role and often become like

Bad

like Love and Hate from Passion but Hate is currently Dead so Love is kinda toxicity

or, well. no hate isnt dead. hatred is usurped and likely Dead but hate is in hell™

[leaden bridge]

Yes, but people kept asking for a long long while

[west plume]

why doesnt love encompass toxicity, desire and loyalty by default

[agile matrix]

well i mean they do. love is all of that, but as you go lower, you get more precise

praying to the god(dess? idk) of love isnt very good but if you really want to marry someone the god of fealty is your goal

[west plume]

hatred should be discontent, malice and ignorance and therefore the opposite element should stay the same

i would think

after that one disappears

[agile matrix]

malice (the dude) kinda stole hatred by being somewhat Tumor-y?

lack of better term. malignant

[west plume]

wdym you can just steal aspects in ur setting

[agile matrix]

he's not really on either side of balance he's just here to cause Bad Shit

[agile matrix]

hatred kinda gave it up by being locked in tartarus and doing Jack All but malice (person) was formed of the concept of hatred by all the people in tartarus

[west plume]

i c

[agile matrix]

both exist but malice is way more active because he's Not In Hell

[west plume]

so they are like jjk curses

[agile matrix]

i know not of jjk

i gotta figure out how to draw the lineage

its quite interesting in my head

theres force a who has no offspring and is kinda just highest divinity, and then theres force b who is the embodiment of community of force a's game

so the balance is kept by force a beign really powerful and force b making harmonies and couplings to keep that balance until a buncha idiots #fuckedthatshitup and locked all the """bad""" gods in The Death Pit

and since a lot of harmonies and couplings needed this balance, most gods just are not happy with most things

anyhow most of them are named by title and not by name because names are Hard

[agile matrix]

and i was curious how these guys got their names. why was agnus called that

[long bloom]

because his parents named him agnus

[agile matrix]

well i mean outside lore

[long bloom]

heresy

[agile matrix]

like yea his mom and dad got together and were like "yes thats their name <3" but why was agnus chosen instead of like

[west plume]

if the chef tells u how to make the recipe theres no reason for u to keep going to the restaurant

[agile matrix]

Ouchre

wait are reactions limited to cool people

what the heck

[long bloom]

you're not blue enough sorry

[agile matrix]

fuuuck.

[west plume]

Hello, Mr Ouch Immolatus. We will have to deny your insurance because we believe you have risk of spontaneous combustion

[cosmic zenith]

Agnus is a realistic name though

[agile matrix]

is it?

[west plume]

people are named agnus

[agile matrix]

angus i could see but agnus is a bit odd of a name, not insultingly

or like uuuh

[west plume]

maybe not immolatus

[agile matrix]

goddess of storms

i dont know how to spell their name

[west plume]

otonilou

[cosmic zenith]

From my knowledge of naming conventions, yeah, Agnus makes complete sense as a name

Though uh

[agile matrix]

yeah them

[west plume]

otonilou is a pretty good name for a lil polyp

[cosmic zenith]

I'd be a massive coincidence for the guy whose name translates to "lamb" becoming God of Sacrifice

[agile matrix]

wait does it really

[cosmic zenith]

Agnus Immolatus means lamb of sacrifice

It's moreso a title than a name

[leaden bridge]

I literally made a guy named agnus or angus idr today and I'm realizing now why the name sounded awkward to me

[long bloom]

that's sick

[agile matrix]

what the fuck . thats awesome

[long bloom]

what the fuck

[agile matrix]

thats exactly what i aim for

[pulsar ocean]

Like who

[agile matrix]

god of sacrifice being named Lamb thats like exactly what i want with my guys

[agile matrix]

watch this be the name of a storm system

[long bloom]

your father

[cosmic zenith]

I couldn't quite find Agnus from a quick research but Agnes is not that uncommon

[agile matrix]

yea Agnes is a knowable name

same with Angus

[cosmic zenith]

Though it seems they don't share an etymological root

[west plume]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_(given_name)

[pulsar ocean]

that’s angus

[agile matrix]

yeuh thats angus

not agnus

[west plume]

can u not believe that people would be named Agnus if people are named Angus

[agile matrix]

and angus steak?

AND A TOP BUN???

THIS SHIT NASTY AS FUCK!!!!

Arbys™.
we have. The Meats

[pulsar ocean]

someone is named joshu so i guess bro

[west plume]

https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/A/AG/AGNUS/index.amp

[cosmic zenith]

Names always originate (at least initially) from mundane objects of interest

[west plume]

there are 300 people in the us named agnus

300 lambs

[cosmic zenith]

One of my dad's surnames is literally "pear tree"

[agile matrix]

is he a farmer

[west plume]

partridge pear tree

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

Even more "elaborate" names really just went through a great process of (usually phonetic) drift

[west plume]

^

[cosmic zenith]

Exeter is a very ""famous"" example

[agile matrix]

isnt htere a god of the deep or something

and theyre an anglerfish

[cosmic zenith]

Tyrian, God of the Seas

[west plume]

theres also a chance that Agnus could have been the name of someone important in the history of the setting who wasn't a god, like how Jesus and other biblical names are still relevant today because of the torah

[cosmic zenith]

European cities are old enough for that drift to have rendered some names unrecognizable, but here in Brazil, there's a lot of names that are still just literally landmarks or remarkable local features

[agile matrix]

the only part of tyrian i can see (for namesource) is Tyr which is norse last i rmemeber

[cosmic zenith]

It comes from the Tyrrhenian Sea

[agile matrix]

aah

[west plume]

i think we sort of stopped with prophetic names with Calamitas

[timber glacier]

Isn’t that not her actual birth given name or something

[agile matrix]

well no thats still there. name whispered in fear being ... laattinn? for calamity

[long bloom]

no

it's her yharmy callsign basically

[agile matrix]

i do really like names that relate to their topic, even if it doesnt make much sense lorewise

[cosmic zenith]

I wouldn't quite say that because our names are usually still thematic relevant so they carry some amount of prophecy to them
But I don't think we'll ever be so unsubtle again

[agile matrix]

like Agnus is a perfect example of both ways

[pulsar ocean]

Yharim is good at this

[cloud ibex]

in Discworld there's an anecdote at one point about a mountain named by an explorer who went up to a native, pointed at a mountain and asked "what is that"

[west plume]

i dont see why Lamb would be an uncommon name

[timber glacier]

I’d assume also catastrophe and cataclysm aren’t her brother’s real names too and like callsigns for them or something too

[cloud ibex]

the mountain's name translates to "does this idiot not know what a mountain is"

[agile matrix]

it makes sense (lamb is a perfectly acceptable name) and they're the god of sacrifice

[cosmic zenith]

Try researching ancient greek names :)

[long bloom]

no her parents named their children cataclysm, catastrophe and margaret

[west plume]

its coincidental but not super fallible

[cosmic zenith]

You'll see how many names are just "mundane thing"

[agile matrix]

i cant just use all greco-latin names!!! im already too much of a percy jackson fan

[pulsar ocean]

how many homers have you seen in your life

[west plume]

Calamitas, Cataclysm, Catastrophe and Little Conquest

[agile matrix]

if i could all names would just be greco-latin/norse

[timber glacier]

honestly catastrophe and cataclysm feel like they names are the wrong way around to me

[cosmic zenith]

I have no doubt other cultures might have a different manifestation of the same base phenomenon

[west plume]

3 because a famous person was named homer

[cloud ibex]

they'll kill me for saying this but it's true

they should be swapped but the woke liberal shadow government would kill the devs if it happened

[agile matrix]

i always thought they were named in conjunction to calamitas, in lore

[cosmic zenith]

I say ancient greek because it's the one I'm most familiar with, but I've seen a lot of names in other cultures be derived from mundane elements either in pure form, merged or slightly altered

[agile matrix]

like if they ever showed up (supreme doubt of this ever happening) they were called that because Calamitas was within 30 feet of them

[timber glacier]

Like cataclysm sounds sharper while catastrope sounds far less sharp and kind of more blunt like a punch

[agile matrix]

oh you mean like that

[cloud ibex]

YEAH

[agile matrix]

yea you are Right they sound backwards.

[cloud ibex]

SEE I'M NOT ALONE

[west plume]

i think the calamitas callsign thing is silly because other special war powers dont have callsigns

[cloud ibex]

THEY ARE WRONG IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND

[west plume]

Yharon isn't named Draconis

[agile matrix]

clysm is which one? its the punchy one?

[cloud ibex]

CATACLYSM SHOULD BE THE SHARP ONE

[agile matrix]

true!

[young socket]

in this fictional land called great britain, there are a many of river avons, because the others came here and pointed at a river and asked what they called it. they all called the river avon. avon means river.

[long bloom]

well why not

[timber glacier]

I think theres even like a theory irl about how like civilisations end up putting “sharper” sounds like k for literally sharper objects, like the theory is called “Kiki Boubou” theory or something

[agile matrix]

wasnt calamitas yharim's nuke

[west plume]

he prefers the name yharon and therefore people call him by his given name rather than a chosen one

[agile matrix]

i feel like giving them a fake name works a lot better at objectifying her power since thats really all he cared abt

[long bloom]

lame

[west plume]

yeah

[agile matrix]

"hey yharim they called me names at work today"
"oh? what did they call you?"
"calamitas"
"hmm... yeah thats your name now. thats actually really good for a bunch of heretical sinners."

[timber glacier]

Also why is d.o.g. Sometimes called the “nameless serpent” even though like he is called d.o.g. And thus has at least one “name”

[cosmic zenith]

I've been very fortunate so far because I've mostly had to name auric dragons (which are big on symbolism anyways) and objects/features

DoG is a title

[agile matrix]

his real name is Charles and he hates that

[cloud ibex]

his real name is Gort

[agile matrix]

noxus was a fan of Choo-Choo Charles and thought that DoG looked like it while also looking like a straw

[cosmic zenith]

His real name is GIASFELFEBREHBER

[pulsar ocean]

does noxus pay above minimum wage

[timber glacier]

No his actual true canon 100% accurate name is “Storm Weaver 2.2” and he hates that

[wanton pendant]

His name is Devourer of Gods in the same way Yharim's name is Godseeker.

[cosmic zenith]

Speaking of names

It's really funny how I show up with all these intricately-built names with great symbolism

While Ozzatron always just shows up with a banger name he happened to have in his locker

[wanton pendant]

Nothing wrong with Gloomborf.

[agile matrix]

wdym

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-3-mr-ant-tenna-tenna-deltarune-spamton-get-sprayed-idiot-gif-5527750059955524080

[agile matrix]

what names has ozzatron made that are public

[young socket]

zeratros

[cosmic zenith]

I think maybe you might recognize "Zeratros"

[long bloom]

lo

[agile matrix]

lmao?

howd he come up with that

[wanton pendant]

Is that like, a lieutenant in Yharim's army or something? Doesn't ring a bell.

[cosmic zenith]

Idk I just know the name

[agile matrix]

he got gastered

[cosmic zenith]

We're paid to develop, not memorize lore

[timber glacier]

That sounds familiar like I have a feeling theres an albatross or something called that

[agile matrix]

100 ozzabucks if you can name every single name in the entire lore

[wanton pendant]

I did something like that a bit earlier.

[cosmic zenith]

I can name characters you don't even know exist

[agile matrix]

yea because you're hired and i'm not ;( boo hoo hoo im so sad

[cosmic zenith]

Give me a huge doc of fan theories and speculations and I might name characters even I didn't know existed!

[wanton pendant]

They don't pay me enough for that.

[cosmic zenith]

(This is a Traveling Merchant line reference)

[timber glacier]

Does the travelling merchant have any lore

[long bloom]

he's a merchant that travels

[wanton pendant]

He's a merchant that travels.

[timber glacier]

How does he go past the worlds edges is he extradimensional

[wanton pendant]

Boat.

[agile matrix]

most everything can do that

we just cant

we the terrarian are unable to go past world edges because I Dunno

[timber glacier]

Dang so my crack theory about him being the god or travel is wrong

[wanton pendant]

He knows how to bypass the Celestial Wall.

What is the 'Celestial Wall' you ask?
I made it up.

[timber glacier]

Also do we know when the martians’ planet (I forgot its name) got destroyed and also if like martian madness is the first time any of them came to Terraria

[raven brook]

martians’ planet

look inside

mars

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

No they’re clearly from jupiter

[raven brook]

we don't really know the specifics no

[wanton pendant]

Martians made up their backstory so that people would feel bad for them.

[timber glacier]

Oh I was like wondering if like the general time point like was it before or after fovos’ attack or what

[long bloom]

we know absolutely fucking nothing

[pulsar ocean]

Who cares

This genuinely doesn’t matter

[wanton pendant]

That's what they think, then boom! Martian Madness Overhaul.

[agile matrix]

where my guys get their water doesnt really matter but its cool because you can have more awesome stuff

[raven brook]

theres nothing wrong with really just wondering about things as long as oyure not expecting them to actually get ingame all the time

its fine to speculate on minor details theres no reason to be an ass abt it

[timber glacier]

Martians are unimportant mfs when John Martian saves the Terrarian from Noxus’ super death laser

[agile matrix]

like yea idrNtk what happens to the martians or why they invade, but it is Cool!

[raven brook]

like no i dont think we're gonna get the Biology of Man Eater Plants in Terraria Calamity Mod

but if you wanna like headcanon or speculate about it sure go ahead have fun

[wanton pendant]

Those Martian man hunters could have some interesting lore.
Martian Manhunter?
I think I like that name.

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like martians aren’t just a random enemy they’re the civilisation from the on;y nearby planet with technology surpassing much of terrarias (outside of draedon’s stuff), whose planet was destroyed for unknown reasons

[raven brook]

hi mr beast

[timber glacier]

Mr beast is here

[long bloom]

FREE MONEY

[agile matrix]

MONEYYY

[pulsar ocean]

Holy shit mr beast

[agile matrix]

AAAGAGGAGAGAGA

[long bloom]

aw :(

[agile matrix]

MISTER SQUIDDER.

[raven brook]

i just write mr beast as the ban reason atp btw

i dont even b other saying compromised hacked account or whatever

[agile matrix]

mrb

[timber glacier]

Is mr beast canon to calamity mod

[agile matrix]

or just CA:MB

[raven brook]

yeah he gives you money

[agile matrix]

pull a draedon

[raven brook]

give me money mr beast

[timber glacier]

Wait what if mr beast… is a martian and he made his wealth by selling his martian technology

[wanton pendant]

Get this user into the writer closet.

[timber glacier]

Wait what if the “MR” wasn’t as in mister, but actually short for “MaRtian”

Also do we know if like the distortion is like a different universe/dimension thing or like is like a distant planet/system and ceaseless justs sends you their

Or do we know nothing about what the distortion is right now basically

[agile matrix]

the distortion is kinda like a different plane of reality

[long bloom]

it's a rift in spacetime

[agile matrix]

from what i remember

[timber glacier]

Wait if its a rift in space-time would it not necessarily follow our rules of space and time

[long bloom]

it would likely not

[timber glacier]

Also unless I’m misunderstanding something would like storm weaver being all storm and weather focused wouldn’t that kind of suggest weather like terraria’s occurs in the distortion

[long bloom]

it probably has lightning powers from eating a shit ton of wyverns

who are descendants of vetrasyl

[timber glacier]

Well don’t god descendants not like recieve any aspect of the parents domain and presumably the same would apply to dragons

Like so wyverns wouldn’t neccesarily have any sense of storm powers from it

[long bloom]

idk

[timber glacier]

Also now that I think about it like is storm weaver causing any issues by being alive and like is there an in lore reason why we’d fight it

Like I know it eats wyverns but like animals eat eachother all the time

[long bloom]

it's kinda an invasive species killing everything in the sky

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like it is just an individual and thus probably cannot reproduce presumably

So like its not like it will reproduce and permanently be an ever growing issue

[long bloom]

it would still be like airdropping a rabid hippo into a wildlife sanctuary

[timber glacier]

Well don’t like the wyverns live like all across the sky so like Its not like it has immediate access to all of them

[long bloom]

remember that it's also the fastest creature on terraria

[timber glacier]

Also like its canonically been in terraria for like a while before we fight it yet whenever I want to do anything in space theres enough wyverns to always instantly appear

Like its not like wyverns are like super duper rare

Like compared to the other post-moon lord bosses storm weaver, drsgonfolly and maybe old duke are like iffy if killing them is deserved since like they aren’t like actively kind of evil (except old duke is racist but not like irredeemably evil)

[raven brook]

dragonfolly is kind of just a predatory animal that attacks you

its no different from desert scourge

at worst its self defense

if a tiger jumops you youre not really in the wrong for fighting back, its either you or the tiger

[timber glacier]

Yeah i guess the lore is that its just doing predator type stuff in dragonfolly’s case which like is fine

[raven brook]

old duke is weird

theres alot of plans for it and its really unclear what it will be like ingame so for now just wait until its real

[timber glacier]

Old duke is like not a good “person” right though like so killing him isn’t you killing an innocent being but like idk killing him isn’t like maybe a bit much

[agile matrix]

question: if i ate a lot of yharims would i get superpowers

[timber glacier]

I do kinda feel like also like killing aquatic scourge is kind of just objectively bad since like it isn’t even aggressing you it is just chilling initkally

[raven brook]

theres alot of plans for old duke and depending on which happen killing him just be good cuz hes an asshole tyrant or it might be more dubious

its unclear

for now hes just a old fat pig

[raven brook]

wouldnt say objectively bad

you can justify it

[agile matrix]

subjectively poor decision

[raven brook]

it is harder to do so than like a predator that attacks you but its still easier to justify hunting a animal than killing a innocent person

[timber glacier]

I guess but like its definitely one of the least justified kills

[raven brook]

you could just really need materials it drops for a specific thing or maybe you mightve accidentaly provoked it.

your terrarian can also just be an asshole though and kiled it for fun

because they were bored

[agile matrix]

can you beat terraria while only killing creatures that do not die from your fight with them

[wanton pendant]

Old Duke is the opposite of Batman he has it coming.

[west plume]

it depends and since it becomes a genetic thing you aren't guaranteed to have any sort of innate magical power past what you would have unless your parent blesses you

[raven brook]

like deer dont really attack you

people still hunt deer

the different in aquascourge's case is that its like

seemingly the only one around

[wanton pendant]

Uh, Calamitas, Brimstone Elemental and Anahita are the only bosses you can fight.

[raven brook]

???

idk . aquascourge lore is weird

[agile matrix]

what about deus

they dont die they just fly away

[timber glacier]

Yharon too kinda

[wanton pendant]

Fine, also that worm.

[agile matrix]

yharon Yes because he doesnt die he just goes in timeout

[raven brook]

i assume its species is more of a oceanic one and the aquatic scourge we fight ingame specifically is a member of that species that got stranded and adapted to the qualities of the sulphur sea

[wanton pendant]

He dies but gets better.

[west plume]

God Offshoots do exist and they can inherit magical power but since they don't have as much control over their shard they can't willingly give as much power over either

[timber glacier]

Also like does killing an already dead thing count as killing

[west plume]

yes

[timber glacier]

Don’t the elementals too like how silva has to heal in the abyss

[wanton pendant]

It's double murder.

[wanton pendant]

Technically not death.

Yharon straight up turns into an egg.

[timber glacier]

Also exos don’t really “die” since they’re robots

[agile matrix]

exos explode

[wanton pendant]

I think that's cheating.

[agile matrix]

theyre

pretty dead

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like they’re not alive to begin with

[agile matrix]

by that logic the mechs can die but like

theyre """alive"""

[west plume]

if you would consider draedon alive every robot draedon makes is alive and you can kill them

[timber glacier]

Well don’t the non-exo mechs at least have souls in them

[agile matrix]

being able to kill non-organics

[west plume]

if you do not consider draedon alive then the exos are not alive

[agile matrix]

not really in the spirit

[west plume]

unless what you constitute as living depends on capability

[timber glacier]

Isk but like I know it is technically possible in getfixedboi to be able to kill scal while only killing ravager previously so like thats probably the closest you’d get

[agile matrix]

most times things with healthbars are Alive in my eyes. at least in terms of gameplay

[west plume]

would you consider ravager alive?

[agile matrix]

it has a heathbar and can move any part of its body

[west plume]

the mechs are definitely alive since they are being controlled by human souls

[wanton pendant]

Ravager is unalive.

[west plume]

so these are just People in a different format

[agile matrix]

its alive enough

[west plume]

i dont think u can argue that one

[timber glacier]

Well but you don’t destroy/kill the souls by beating the mehcs

[agile matrix]

like SCal doesnt die, Draedon does not die but his exos do so

[west plume]

would u consider crabulon alive

[timber glacier]

The fungi on it are so they’d probably die if ya kill crabulon

[raven brook]

crabulon (the mushrooms) is alive

[west plume]

the fungi wont die if you kill crabulon

the underlying crab just becomes physically unable to move

[timber glacier]

Some would end up getting destroyed in the fight probably

[west plume]

a lil bit

but fungi also do that to themselves all the time

mushrooms are sacrificial structures

[agile matrix]

the mushrooms will not die but the crab will die and i dont think all crabulons are THE crabulon

[west plume]

i think the crab is already dead

i hope

[agile matrix]

at what point does the heap become a heap

[timber glacier]

Also wait you couldn’t even break any grass or fully chop down a tree since that would kind of be a kill technically

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Crabulon is a crab shell piloted by fungi.

[agile matrix]

What The Fuck!!!!!!!

[timber glacier]

Holy moly not mr beast

How is this possible

[agile matrix]

not mr beast?? laaame.

[west plume]

i guess it depends on if the crab meat inside that shell is still able to think and is being fed and controlled by the mushrooms or if its just a shell where the mushrooms sustain the muscles

[raven brook]

crabulon is alive in the sense the mushrooms are but the crab is dead as hell

what shoes it got on

its just a corpse being pilloted its no different from like

you riding around in a car

the car aint alive. youre just piloting it

[west plume]

is it a last of us zombie or like a walking dead zombie

[timber glacier]

Wait you can’t beat scal since you kind of kill the brothers in the fight

[agile matrix]

does the crab come back??

[west plume]

theyre already dead and they are never alive at any point

[west plume]

lol no

u cant un mushroom the crab even if it is technically alive

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like kind of so are like zombies but killing them is still kinda killing

[west plume]

the hyphae are deep in the flesh

[agile matrix]

well then we're back to inorganics

[raven brook]

no its still organic

its just dead

a corpse is organic. its just dead

[agile matrix]

no i mean ^

[raven brook]

id say crabulon would be allowed if you follow the idea of the mushrooms not dying after you kill the crag

since the mushrooms are the only really living thing in there

[agile matrix]

if a things already dead by the time you fight them, it Realistically doesnt count but that does not account for machinations

[timber glacier]

The actual way to do it is in multiplayer and have the other player do everything

[west plume]

i guess the crab was gonna die anyway if it is a last of us zombie

[raven brook]

you might destroy some of their structures but their spores would just spread anyways and theyre probably part of the larger glowing mushroom colony so

[agile matrix]

"can you beat-" No but my friend can

[west plume]

so ur just putting it out of whatever torment the mushrooms are putting it through

but if it is a completely dead unthinking walking dead zombie then u dont kill anything in that fight

its basically a car

[agile matrix]

you're still like. killing it

its health reaches 0

[timber glacier]

Random other question do we know if any “sentience” and thoughts are made by perforator hive and hive mind since isn’t the plan for them to be the result of dead gods? Like would they at all have the ability to think

[agile matrix]

unless its like some rocks

[timber glacier]

What about golem then

[west plume]

the health of the car reaches 0 but the mushrooms dont die by you damaging them

the fungus is gonna continue growing in whatever u leave of crabulon

[wanton pendant]

I think there was a proposed plan of them being partially aware but if that would be implemented it would be far in the future.

[raven brook]

by the lgoic that its health reaching 0 means you kill it then you kill eveey single boss in the mod

[agile matrix]

yeah the car is still dead in the "its not really a car anymore"

[timber glacier]

Also i guess ceaseless isn’t in any regard really “alive” or even like a robot so “killing” it would be fine

[west plume]

i suppose

[wanton pendant]

True!

[raven brook]

youre making this more confusing and complex than it needs to be lol

[agile matrix]

scal you dont im pretty sure she's dropped to 1

[raven brook]

the crabs already dead, you destroy its body, but the mushrooms are still alive. so for the purposes of the question, crabulon survives

[timber glacier]

Like in a basic sense no you can’t do the challenge there will be like at least 1 kill

[west plume]

the fungus might even go on to infest another poor creature

its left that alive

[timber glacier]

Erm but you destroy crab shroom projectiles which suggests they die

[wanton pendant]

Calamity pacifist run but you still bisect Yharim at the end.

[west plume]

mushrooms r made to die

[agile matrix]

well no those explode in spores

[wanton pendant]

This is somehow the worst outcome.

[agile matrix]

thats oaky

[west plume]

they fulfil their purpose

[timber glacier]

Thats still dying it just means they have babies

[agile matrix]

samsara

[timber glacier]

Its still a “kill” its just one that isn’t like really bad

[west plume]

its the purpose of the mushroom

it wants u to do that

[agile matrix]

trying to fight ooa and a single goblin suicider

[timber glacier]

That isn’t you killing them tho so you’re off the hook :D

Also why would you try to do ooa

[agile matrix]

i dunno

somehow explain that sentries are not you i guess???? if a youtuber REALLY needs to explain it

[wanton pendant]

If we count fungal kills do we kill plant kills?

Are we not allowed to make sinks for fear of killing bacteria?

[agile matrix]

yea thats a kill man.... unfortunate......

[timber glacier]

Well fungi are actually closer related to animals than plants I believe so like you could justify not counting plants but counting fungi

[agile matrix]

walking kills a bug... evil.....

[west plume]

idk if the goblins consent to that

[wanton pendant]

The sentries made me do it. Because the sentry is Chara and Chara is purple man guy behind purple slaughter five night Undertale Afton.

[timber glacier]

Would minions kills count as you killing them

[west plume]

ur just forcing a soldier to do it

[timber glacier]

Like I didn’t do that my pet bird did

[agile matrix]

would Sentries count

since theyre kinda just doing shit

[west plume]

you place da sentries there

[agile matrix]

i put them there bc they look cool

[timber glacier]

Well some probably aren’t “sentient” so its kinda like setting a landmine

Bjt some would be “sentient” and performing the kills arguably of their own volition

[west plume]

if you intentionally place something knowing it is dangerous and it kills someone you are at fault

[agile matrix]

okay actually a better one is "can you beat calamity mod while breaking the least amount of laws"

[timber glacier]

Wait is frost hydra alive

[agile matrix]

my flameburst has never killed anyone before and i was not made aware that it kills people

[wanton pendant]

Trick question, government collapse means there are no laws.

[timber glacier]

What about physics?

The terrarian definitely breaks a lot of those

[west plume]

the land ur on isnt owned by anyone so ur only at risk of breaking international law

[timber glacier]

I guess frost hydra is international law

[west plume]

murder is pretty agreeably bad by most jurisdictions, so is breaking and entering into underground houses + looting

[wanton pendant]

That's it's legal name.

[west plume]

wrong reply oops

[west plume]

you pilfer hell and thats really illegal. technically tomb raiding

[timber glacier]

No its canon now frost hydra is the law

I will say frost hydra is such a dissapointment cos like why is it called a hydra if it doesn’t have multiple heads

[west plume]

i think u can argue that unsanctioned mining isnt possible to be sanctionable so its in a legal grey area even tho u dont own the surrounding area

[west plume]

do a rotation 180 degrees about the z axis

[timber glacier]

Imagine if frost hydra was like a sentry version of desert tiger getting stronger if used multiple times gaining extra heads

[agile matrix]

you are not gonna believe this

[timber glacier]

Also frost hydra does like bring questions into calamity cos like why is it the only dragon related thing in the biome chests

[agile matrix]

i have EXACTLY that.

[west plume]

i think going into the dungeon would be classify as a felony basically anywhere since it requires you to kill a dude

[agile matrix]

its called Endo Hydra

[timber glacier]

Thats a minion though not a sentry

[wanton pendant]

Is Skeleton a dude?

[timber glacier]

Debateable

[west plume]

skeletron is a golem but i think it is the clothier and therefore is capable of being a private citizen

[timber glacier]

Also like its at least disrespecting the dead kinda and entering the dungeon is trespassing

[wanton pendant]

I think if anything you're putting the dead to rest.

[west plume]

entering the dungeon is mega tresspassing, killing polterghast is like ultra sacrilegious in all cases

[timber glacier]

Your destroying remains that counts as disrespecting them at least even if their souls are going to rest

[west plume]

ur just tearing apart a bunch of bound spirits like an animal

[wanton pendant]

There was nothing holy about that thing.

[west plume]

i think u could argue sepulchre is self defense tho

[magic epoch]

the EntIre scal fight is self defense iirc

[timber glacier]

Random thought would shimmering stuff be illegal like I feel like it might for some reason

[magic epoch]

one of the bosses whose canon encounter is just Ambushed

[magic epoch]

what

[timber glacier]

I dunno just randomly thought like shimmering npcs would probably be illegal idk it was a random thought

[wanton pendant]

That's most of them to be fair.

[magic epoch]

yea

[wanton pendant]

Unlicensed hairdressing.

[timber glacier]

Isn’t it still a crime if they’re like a person and you kill them instead of just like stopping the fight

Like its not as bad as just actively killing them but like its still s crime I thought

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas doesn't die.

[timber glacier]

I know but like even in the other fights which are self defence killing them is still a crime

[wanton pendant]

Most of them aren't people.

[timber glacier]

Still killing animals would sometimes still be a crime like since idk storm weaver is a one of a kind species killing it even in self defense probably still breaks some laws

[magic epoch]

To be fair most of us aren't either

[timber glacier]

Also providence is kind of still a person and so kind of is slime god maybe

[wanton pendant]

You're not a people?

[timber glacier]

Wait you are a person thats kinda weird

Wait I just thought about something why did Yharim Bury like Dogma and War’s corpses in different places he dumped the bodies of gods

[soft flame]

he didn't bury them he just

left them to rot

[timber glacier]

But like the biomes are the results of tons of dead gods which suggests he at least put them together but like for some reason in at least two big piles

Like Did he like do it idk like out of spite since he wanted them to not be together in rest or something

[soft flame]

considering how there's multiple plots of corrupted/crimson land in a world they probably were killed in random places regardless

though the biomes could have connected in a sense due to similar whims or sumn

[timber glacier]

That does also make it more confusing since like isn’t the crimson mainly because of war’s body and corruption is because of dogma’s body so like how could those bodies affect the other patches of those biomes

[wanton pendant]

Not mainly them. They're just the biggest components of their bosses.

[soft flame]

^

[timber glacier]

I thought like they were like the god who was ending up kind of having their like “will” i guess affect the two biomes as a whole

Not just who mainly is the boss

Wait also aren’t the evils like made of only “evil” god bodies while the hallow is like the corpses of “good” gods or something

[long bloom]

yea

[abstract hedge]

Hallow is good and neutral gods essences, crimruption are evil (and probably a neutral one or two).

[raven brook]

i dont think laws in terraria work like rela life laws

specially given i dont think they had a terraria geneva convention

[timber glacier]

Do we know if thats like an exclusively true rule or did like a good god like die and become part of the evil biome

[long bloom]

shrug

[soft flame]

if an unrelated god died their essence would take root elsewhere most likely

[abstract hedge]

There theoretically could've been one or two but not many cause well, just look at them.

[soft flame]

depends on their willpower

[long bloom]

does it?

where did this come from

[timber glacier]

It would be kind of funny if like one good god was for some reason in like the crimson alongside a bunch of evil gods like that could be interesting

[soft flame]

idk i'm prolly just saying random bull

[raven brook]

alot of gods that died aren't part of the infection biomes because they just died elsewhere

[soft flame]

we can only assume

[long bloom]

they made the perforator hive 2.3% less evil

[raven brook]

i assume the corruption is mostly comprised of the god-cult members and they likely all died near eachother

maybe yharim went on a massacre on their capital or smth

"near" eachother atleast in the context of being close enough for their essences to merge into a single biome

itd still realistically be meters or kilometers away bur yeah

[timber glacier]

I do hope we get to learn about some of the minor gods that make up the evils and hallow instead of them just being completely blank non-characters

[raven brook]

i can see us maybe learning a bit more about some of them but probably not that much

tis good to leave things up to interpretation

maybe a small mention of (god, domain) somewhere in a place it'd feel natural

[timber glacier]

Like they don’t have to be deep but like maybe like learning about like the god of hunting who used a spear, and like maybe perf hive has an attack using spears so that it actually feels like an amalgamation of gods

[raven brook]

such as maybe a lore tablet in the evil buiomes update that includes a list of all the gods in the god-cult of dogma or something , or atleast some of them

[wanton pendant]

Parselatch, God of Pilfering will be real.

[timber glacier]

I would love if it wasn’t just text listing them out but like idk maybe even like statues of them which do tell you about them in like their tooltips

[raven brook]

well not literally just like a list going

"NAME, DOMAIN
NAME, DOMAIN"

[soft flame]

the scripture

[wanton pendant]

I think Yharim would have statues smashed.

[raven brook]

i was just being generalistic could be something like a poem honoring them writen by a court jester or maybe a political list of the members of the cult

for the sake of bureocray or w/e

[raven brook]

boooring

[timber glacier]

I do kinda feel like just only telling and not showing the player them would feel a bit boring and calamity already does that enoigh

[raven brook]

you can make the status dilapitated and worn to show the damage done during yharim's attack on the cpital or just through time or whatever

[raven brook]

the problem is that the telling that calmaity does isn't immerisve, not necessarily that it tells you to begin with

bestiary and yharim lore whispers arent the most natural way of getting info

[timber glacier]

Heck it could be cool if like they are destroyed but like maybe like tendrils in like the crimson have put the pieces together

[raven brook]

you can have text in ways that feels naturak and immersive and arent just infodumps

[timber glacier]

I guess but like having some actual in-world visible pieces of like “lore” would be something to help make the world feel kind of more real

[raven brook]

specially if the text is done in a more interesting way than just a item with a tooltip

[raven brook]

not mutually exclusive

you can have enviroment objects you can interact with to read

aka lore tablets

[timber glacier]

Text would also be great too I do feel though calamity having a variety in how lore is told would be great

[raven brook]

like for my poem idea it could be a piece of parchment in a monolith or attached ot the wall you can interact ot read, or yeah it could be the statues you mentioned in a sort of hall of glory type structure

honoring the gods of the faction or whatever

[timber glacier]

Also I feel like statues of gods could also show us what they look like in game right now as well since like most gpds we never even meet while they’re alive

The text would 100% be great though at least

There needs to be something otherwise players will not have ways to learn about the gods much at all

And also minor gods should be shown to exist so it doesn’t seem like theres only like the 5 major gods or something and I guess Slime God and Maybe Tyrian and shakidoku in the lore are “minor” but like to really understand the scale of yharim’s conquest

As is it feels like we only know of like 6 gods yharim caused the deaths of while hes supposed to have killed a lot

[raven brook]

yeah i think mentions of a few more gods would make sense, though i do think that the actual focal gods should just be the more important ones that mean alot for the overardching story

[leaden bridge]

i think its really funny tyrian is just missing

[long bloom]

help has anyone seen my anglerfish

[timber glacier]

Yeah absolutely the minor ones don’t need to have paragraphs upon paragraphs of lore and can be fairly one dimensional but it would improve the idea of the story’s scale greatly

[timber glacier]

My theory is that he’ll show up during like the yharim fight and help us through the power of teamwork

[west plume]

there was a gigantic otonilou statue in sso

i liked the idea and appearance a lot

[long bloom]

oh peak

[timber glacier]

That would be great since then people can actually see how yes they are a god and people made statues of them and stuff

[leaden bridge]

my theory

[west plume]

Aerie (Autumn Land) and The Distortion (Purple Land) and the Abyss (Dark Land)

[timber glacier]

Honestly I would kind of love if tyrian… fled and like didn’t try to protect his home

[west plume]

i kinda wish we kept this one in brainstorm but people would have been really gosh darn annoying about it

[timber glacier]

It is fair since without the context of where you’d find it it would be confusing and stuff

[long bloom]

add it in 2.2 as a 0.03% drop from the horrible hog

[west plume]

water pig

https://tenor.com/view/cute-marine-life-seapig-animals-ocean-gif-3387409

sea pig

[timber glacier]

Make it a shimmer craft from like an armour statue like how the sunken sea sub-biome blocks are that totally would be good and not weird

[raven brook]

river of oblivion

[timber glacier]

Ossuary depths actually kinda goes hard as an idea

I do wonder like how many gods are still alive cos like yharim did kill most of them but its specified that some are like in hiding or something

[long bloom]

ossuary deas cells

fuck it leaving the typo

[timber glacier]

Like we know slime god, providence and xeroc are alive (and kind of silva) but like what about any others

[long bloom]

bob

bob is alive

[leaden bridge]

u guys dont know the extent of navystone tunnels

[timber glacier]

Bob, the god of names starting with T

[west plume]

yharim didn't kill every god but if you were a God in the sense of being notable and worshipped Yharim probably had your head on a spike in his front lawn 20 years into the crusade

[long bloom]

you have to find bob

[west plume]

i would like to think that a lot of gods died before the crusade of either natural causes or killing each other as well

[leaden bridge]

ssilva and xeroc r the only gods who r both technically alive and matter by the end of the game

[timber glacier]

You could ignore slime god

[leaden bridge]

well xeroc isnt technically

[timber glacier]

And kinda also just skip providence

[leaden bridge]

theyre just busy doing nothing because they are a fraud and i hate them

[long bloom]

[leaden bridge]

i dont care about your well hypothetically the player can skip a god i dont care i dont give a shit

[west plume]

Meet Potential God!

[timber glacier]

Don’t call slime god a fraud when they at least do somethjng

[leaden bridge]

there is only one canon terrarian and thats a weird, very strange gremlin who kills every boss and maybe like there was a reason why that happened

this is true and real

[west plume]

also,

• not all gods are in the heartlands
• world soul shards weren't only accessible in the heartlands for the dragons to get
• not all gods cared about fame and probably aren't well known about even if they have a godly sigil on their back all the time

there's nothing stopping you from just not using your domain. not all gods were transfigured to be utterly inhuman, some definitely just left the continent a bit into the crusade and some are inaccessible or invisible due to not being human inherently (although those guys probably aren't Gods and are just random ascended beings that are around, closer to auric dragons but without being a dragon)

this is irrelevant to cal tho so u should only use this information for ur aus

[long bloom]

didn't the crusade span all 4 habitable continents

[west plume]

yharim's empire never included a massive naval force

while he could reach and probably inquire about gods in other continents there's no way he could have the resources to settle there and scour the continent the way he did with the heartlands

[long bloom]

obviously it wasn't as in depth

but he still killed gods there

[west plume]

some, not all

[long bloom]

well he didn't kill all the gods in the heartlands either

[west plume]

heartlands is closer to all than some

[leaden bridge]

i just need YOU PEOPLE (the calamity mod development team, more specifically those who do art) to design more DOMAIN SIGILS (for both gods and dragons) so we can draw my aerie portal idea

[west plume]

you can count the number of notable remaining gods in the heartlands on one hand

[long bloom]

[west plume]

i am trying to encourage this

[long bloom]

yharon needs a sigil

it would be so awesome

it would be so cool

[west plume]

i agree

[lucid wigeon]

not a bad idea

[west plume]

yharon would be flashing his sigil up all the goddamn time to rep dragons

[long bloom]

would yharim also get the sigil since they're attuned

[agile matrix]

if DoG had a sigil it would be in front of his face

he would show you it every second

yharon is that but like

20% less

and like 30% more racist

[west plume]

no; the sigil is for the shard's domain and not the holder, so only the holder can display it as they're the only one in actual contact with teh shard

i think yharim would be able to do it if he was blessed like providence's girlfriends tho

[plucky juniper]

i dunno about you but...

isnt yharim's forces supposed to be such a massive fucking deal by the latter stages of the crusade, that it literally just was just unstoppable

[long bloom]

then explain this liberal

[agile matrix]

its like france

[plucky juniper]

i would probably not be surprised if yharmy had a yharnavy

[leaden bridge]

heres your aerie portal. replace my squiggles with other domain sigils. you can pay me infinite amounst of money for my fucking baller idea. thank you

[west plume]

i hate to inform you that xeroc is in direct contact with his shard at all times as an ascended

[long bloom]

this is pre ascension

[west plume]

wait is that pre-ascended

wtf

[agile matrix]

france was really good with land combat but they couldnt really go to britain

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

same with germany

[plucky juniper]

unless you're trying to say that the yhair force was super fucking funded and could dispatch any and all navys like cake

[agile matrix]

aurafarming actually

[west plume]

they couldn't dispatch all navies like cake

yharim's force wasn't naval

[leaden bridge]

draedon has 0 boats

[west plume]

it was a massive infantry force on land where they continually recruited from conquered settlements

[leaden bridge]

i need you people to come to terms with this

theres not a single draeboat

[long bloom]

@timber glacier well there you have it
they were blessed

[leaden bridge]

was this ever in doubt

how else would they be Like That

[long bloom]

quinn thought it was soul sharing shenanigans

or something

[gritty kraken]

tell yharim there’s a man o war god somewhere and he’s stupid for forgetting it

[west plume]

Yharim you need to start looking on the ocean floor there's a fish god in the ocean

You need to start scouring the ocean floor

Start producing nothing but submarines and contract MY company to do it

[long bloom]

find my anglerfish

[west plume]

Tyrian is on the ocean floor yharim you need to go into Mariana's trench to find him and you need to divert all funds for suppressing rebellion in the heartlands to R&D for submarines yharim

i think yharim having a powerful navy is kind of an inherently silly idea especially because the heartlands still isn't a solved issue rlly

britain was able to do it because they had completely subjugated their island and everyone around it

[plucky juniper]

okay if you're not sure why i find this odd

its because story-wise, yharmy is supposed to be something that, in the latter stages, was basically unstoppable

[west plume]

he had an unstoppable land force

anywhere in the heartlands is somewhere he could march to or had a standing army nearby

[leaden bridge]

its not hard to believe he just did not have a navy

[plucky juniper]

i therefore find it odd that, his navy is SPECIFIED to be pretty shit

[leaden bridge]

well because

[long bloom]

also you don't really need a naval force to just
transport some of your army across the ocean

[west plume]

he has literally no reason to have a navy

[leaden bridge]

its different

you know how complex naval logistics are

[gritty kraken]

This is all because vanilla had small beach

[leaden bridge]

its like in spore whats the point of a navy if you dont controll that continent yet #sporeballknowledge

[west plume]

other coastal nations obviously do have naval forces and don't like people randomly landing down on their territory methinks

[long bloom]

ok but it's still the yharmy

[plucky juniper]

syrup you are horribly underestimating the use of a navy

[leaden bridge]

my analogy falls flat under the weight of spore's civ stage actual gameplay but pretend it doesnt

[west plume]

are they like waterproof. would they survive their boat being torpedo'd by a competent coast guard and sinking

[plucky juniper]

if yharnavy was not good enough to deal with any navy then it doesnt really matter if the yharmy is unstopabble on land

they'd just be nuked by an actual navy

[leaden bridge]

not rlly because no one else is precisely

coming to the heartlands

[west plume]

no one is invading the heartlands, and you'd need to have a powerful land force to meaningfully invade it. yharim does not care about his coastlines

[plucky juniper]

no. its that if you bring people across the seas, you can get targeted midway through

[leaden bridge]

yeah but he wasnt doing that

[plucky juniper]

so how the fuck is he going to the other continents

[west plume]

organized inquisition where you send a platoon or so across the sea with escorts and then ask the locals for gods

[gritty kraken]

Have permafrost making a path for them

[long bloom]

he has all of the resources in the heartlands, and the greatest engineer in history. he can make a ship strong enough

[west plume]

the heartlands has it's own breadbasket and p much as much industry as he wants so it's not like he really needs global trade

[wanton pendant]

Tape a bunch of soldiers to DoG and send them on their way.

[long bloom]

[west plume]

this is true

[long bloom]

couldn't dog theoretically open portals between anywhere through the distortion

like the nether

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but it's still one to one.

Not one to eight.

[long bloom]

we don't know that

[leaden bridge]

i assume he alsod oes not fucking want to do that

[long bloom]

he's fine with draedon probing around in there

[west plume]

i don't think DoG is all powerful and chaotically warping into another dimension is not a good idea

[long bloom]

he just won't answer any questions

[long bloom]

true

[west plume]

the distortion is a hell he knows and Whatever the fuck else is not his business

DoG is mortal and does have fears and you should consider this while writing him

[west plume]

okay. theoretically, draedon makes the Exo U-Boat and it's able to completely control the waters. yharim sends his armies to the other side of the world. they get off and land on the beach. they all immediately die to landmines that were placed there due to intel gathered like 4 weeks ago

[raven brook]

ive always assumed it was just attunement that caused that

that would imply yharim can have yharons sigil though which like isnt that fucked up,

[west plume]

i think you have to possess a bit of the shard for the sigil to manifest which is part of why i was confused

[long bloom]

landmines do 250 damage

anyone with hardmode armor can tank that

[plucky juniper]

okay hang on syrup where are you getting the idea that yharim's navy was not particularly tip top

[west plume]

the fact that the entirety of the setting entirely focuses on the continent and i've already been talking extensively about yharim's empire structure with the lorewriters

[wanton pendant]

Bro is afraid of Storm Weaver.

[leaden bridge]

okay yharims insignia is the rebirth sigil

what does the y have to do with anything?

i dont know

its just true

[raven brook]

y for yharon

[wanton pendant]

Y for Yharon.

[long bloom]

wait true?

[leaden bridge]

LMAO

[raven brook]

and y for

yrebirth

[leaden bridge]

i think yharon would fucking love that actually

[gritty kraken]

God of eternity yharim soon

[west plume]

so either xeroc was blessed by zeratros or we redo the definition of attunement which is weird 2 think about

[wanton pendant]

Y stands for Yesterday which was what you will be like again because you die not reborn yes.

[west plume]

Yharim would freak the fuck out about this and not display it if he had the choice

[long bloom]

dragons can bless people?

[west plume]

every shardholder can bless people

[long bloom]

neat

[leaden bridge]

i mean with the direction the lore goes its obvious that the yharim insignia has to be some way connected to domain sigils. my idea was that it was meant to be like a dragon one that was all dragony and mighty compared to those FUCKED UP god sigils

[wanton pendant]

Shareholder blessing... Stocks go up.

[long bloom]

did yharon bless yharim or is it just the attunement

[west plume]

just the attunement i believe

[long bloom]

a blessing would be quite helpful i think

[plucky juniper]

...wasnt he like, attuned

[west plume]

yes

[long bloom]

omg leak

[west plume]

attunement does not stop you from being blessed

Zeratros' dedicated monk was le attuned??

[wanton pendant]

Finally we can stop pretending that that wasn't obvious.

[leaden bridge]

was it not already confirmed

[long bloom]

no

[wanton pendant]

Nope.

[leaden bridge]

i am so confused right now

thats so funny

ive known this is a fact for like a year

[west plume]

i think Yharon would have to convince Yharim to not have PTSD about having to consume Yharon's soul which is the difficult part

[wanton pendant]

Everyone has, it's painfully obvious.

[long bloom]

whar

[raven brook]

i mean technically its not confiremd but like

come on man

[long bloom]

yeah this

like the identity of the lihzahrd's goddess

or the calamity ninja in the dungeon

[west plume]

i think u guys dont make assertions enough

[wanton pendant]

Obviously Shakidou in a wig.

[west plume]

i think if you can extrapolate information from context then it's most likely true

like why would zeratros keep a person around him and give that specific person his soul if he wasn't attuned. cmon

[wanton pendant]

Oh so I can say Moon Lord destroyed-
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[cosmic zenith]

Pretty sure this concept art precedes those notions of what sigils mean in-universe

[west plume]

i c

[raven brook]

yeah thatd make enough sense

[long bloom]

omg zeratros consented to xeroc ascension confirmed /j

[raven brook]

so if it comes down to that the concept art having the sigil can just be retconned

[west plume]

Hello guy I talk to at the bar every wednesday. I need you to take my soul so it doesn't get stolen. Here is the method to perfectly ascend

Don't tell anyone else tho

[long bloom]

wait

is this real

[west plume]

no

[long bloom]

ok

[leaden bridge]

it was obviously noxus and not moon lord

[wanton pendant]

Damn, of course Noxus would [Data Expunged].

[cosmic zenith]

Peak #lore-discussion interaction

[leaden bridge]

is the terminus primordial light branded because everyone thought it was funny or is it relevant

[west plume]

it's relevant

i can't say y tho

[leaden bridge]

thats fucked up man

so fucked up

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc was Zeratros' brand manager.

[long bloom]

@tropic oak wake up terminus mentioned

[leaden bridge]

id like to think the terminus is older than xeroc

and like

half the auric dragons being auric dragons

if not more

[light linden]

inb4 it's a piece of zeratros's soul

[west plume]

i think it's bad to assume the purpose of the terminus and that there was only one

[long bloom]

i would hope more than half of the auric dragons were auric dragons

[west plume]

no

[west plume]

50% fakers

They painted a sigil on them so yharon would let them into the aerie

[cosmic zenith]

Terminus is my old pet stone

[long bloom]

old duke absolutely tried that

[raven brook]

terminus was the name of my grandpa

they named the rock in his honor cuz he was a really nice guy whod help out areound the neighbourhood

[leaden bridge]

well i can't assume the contrary when there's never been evidence or hints to it and when the basic assumption of there being a single terminus is kinda what we've been all riding on since 2018 or whatever

[west plume]

it will be expanded upon later i bee leaf

awp - dragon lore has been expanded more

[long bloom]

i think they meant one purpose

[leaden bridge]

#ifistartmakingassumptionsaboutthecurrentlorethatrequirehugeleapsoflogiciamgoingtogoinsane

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, it'll be covered/expanded eventually

[leaden bridge]

i mean its exact purpose is whatever but like, perfect ascension stone. how that works is frankly unimportant to me since it's not like the process of ascension is known anyways

ascension ritual in never

[west plume]

'Show off my domain'? C'mon man. I'm the Dragon of Existence. I'm using my domain right now to manifest my form

[cosmic zenith]

What do you guys imagine the sigils of lore characters that still don't have one would look like

[long bloom]

i like orios's slime god sigil

one sec

[raw nest]

How does Amidias move on land? Does he just bounce around with his giant fin?

[west plume]

i like to think he slithers

[cosmic zenith]

^

[west plume]

agreeable sigil

[long bloom]

mitosis

[timber glacier]

Kinda looks like an owl

[feral skiff]

Is that Slime God?

[cosmic zenith]

Looks alright
I do wonder what the ideas behind it were

Besides mitosis

[long bloom]

fanart

[timber glacier]

No thats jim slime god’s younger sibling

[long bloom]

what if provi's wings are her sigil

[cosmic zenith]

Earthworm Jim looking zany

[sinful adder]

Did I ever share my idea for what slime god would look like, instead of the stupid ball?

[long bloom]

idr

[sinful adder]

Share it with you guys I mean

[timber glacier]

I could see ontological or whatever her name is having a sigil that looks like a jellyfish but also a storm cloud with lightinb ss the tentabcles

[agile matrix]

ontological ?

[long bloom]

otonilou

[west plume]

narcissism

[timber glacier]

The jellyfish

[agile matrix]

no i know

its a close spelling but why that

[west plume]

vetrasyl's sigil

[cosmic zenith]

Ontological lmao

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

Because i forgot her name but remembered the weapon

[sinful adder]

They didn't want to bother writing the exact name

[long bloom]

does the sigil change when you imperfectly ascend

[cosmic zenith]

Gotta love electricity symbols almost always being bothersomely asymmetric

[west plume]

if one of you puts this into a lore concatenation doc i am going to laff at you so do nto i am warning you

[west plume]

the domain changes so yeah

the sigil changes

[long bloom]

i see

that's why rav's is different

[sinful adder]

Anyways imagine slime god, instead of being a stupid abstract ball, would be like a fucked up skeleton dude with his flesh melted into slime

[timber glacier]

I’d imagine it’d not be entirely different since the domain is related

[sinful adder]

He doesn't use his limbs though so he's curled up inside a ball of slime

[timber glacier]

What if they were actually like a cool ninja inside the slime

[long bloom]

i would like mango to release images of the other sigils by themselves (xeroc, agnus and ravager) like he did for silva

[tropic oak]

temus

[sinful adder]

Too human

[tropic oak]

termunis………

[timber glacier]

He could just he a face and hands melded to the ninja suit we don’t know

[leaden bridge]

I don't know because there's a total of three canon ones and the most important one is literally the moon rune from Bloodborne

[sinful adder]

Imagine if you dunked a skeleton in goop and then pulled it out and let the goop drip down

Like that

[west plume]

i think i'll torture the artists into making them and then put them ingame alongside major updates slowly

[cosmic zenith]

I had a redesign of Slime God somewhere that, despite being very flawed, had the idea of Throne-like rings with jewels representing each of the slime types, which Slime God could use to summon them

[leaden bridge]

This might sound crazy but you've gotta redesign the primordial light sigil

[west plume]

yes

[cosmic zenith]

I'll grab the screwdriver

[timber glacier]

Wait imagine if like you could make/find like them as like idk a kind of furniture depicting them carved into like stone

[leaden bridge]

Xeroc's Eye was designed with specific intent and it does not apply to its current use at all

[long bloom]

true

[tropic oak]

True

[sinful adder]

Slime god should have built himself a shell that looks like the fuckass guys from world of goo

[long bloom]

the rest is fine just change the middle

[cosmic zenith]

"This might sound crazy, but you should not make an obvious game reference a major lore-relevant symbol"

[timber glacier]

Doesn’t terraria kinda do that though with like cthulhu kinda

Well not game but like similar idea

[cosmic zenith]

Moon Lord is a lot more distinct from Cthulhu

[west plume]

terraria is a lot of lovecraft references. the corruption is the color out of space

[sinful adder]

I wish I was good enough at drawing to get my idea across better

[cosmic zenith]

Holy shit

I never noticed that

[timber glacier]

But anyway my guess for tyrians sigil is a big x because he is a fraud

[cosmic zenith]

Wall of Bronze inspired by Cool Air when

[west plume]

how was tyrian supposed to counteract being boiled in what he breathed in

[long bloom]

@sinful adder here u go

[long bloom]

simply dodge

[timber glacier]

I guess but like we don’t even fucking know if he was even there

Like hes so unimportant people didn’t even write down if he died

[west plume]

Hello God of the Seas. You should use your control over the Sea that's currently being boiled to stop the sea from being boiled

i think what we need is just notable tales about tyrian

[sinful adder]

Yeah. Slime god should be that guy

[west plume]

i think i'll torture the lorewriters for those

[sinful adder]

But more fucked up

[long bloom]

his status being vague is intentional

[long bloom]

yees give him feats

[timber glacier]

I know but like he didn’t do anything else outside of like helping with illmeris but like ontology also did that and also like made infinite energy

[west plume]

otonilou has a domain that works outside of the sea

[cosmic zenith]

You can talk about a character without eliminating the aspect of mystery/vagueness

[sinful adder]

Imagine this guy but his flesh has dissolved into slime and he's strung up on a web of hardened slime he made as armor

[timber glacier]

Also water beats fire so he should neg-diff calamitas

[long bloom]

true

[west plume]

spray water 500 feet into the air like a super soaker to counteract infinite brimstone magic tyrian!!!

[timber glacier]

But like out of the gods we know he does have the least overall “feats” going for him other than shakidoku but he has immediate aura from his name alone so like they’re fine

[wanton pendant]

Too late.

[west plume]

link the doc

i know u guys have a secret lore doc server where u document me let me in

[west plume]

i'll try and get the lorewriters to write more tales about him, again, but ilmeris was able to put up significant resistance for ages into the crusade

[long bloom]

shakidou they/the m

[leaden bridge]

What's tyrians dragon again

[timber glacier]

Oh shit sorry

[long bloom]

tides

non-finalized name is mizuaruna

[leaden bridge]

Tides into sea

🥀

[timber glacier]

Wait making the god of emptiness nonbinary is kinda fire writing

[cosmic zenith]

Out of curiosity, what would be your pick?

[wanton pendant]

I'll have you know we don't have a server, we use carrier pigeons.

[long bloom]

can confirm

[wanton pendant]

Xzier is the pigeon.

[leaden bridge]

I'd just say water because there's a dragon of flames but, well

[west plume]

flames are phenomena and water is not

it is matter

there is a water elemental for a reason

[leaden bridge]

I think tides into sea is weird for reasons that should be obvious

[timber glacier]

Honestly making tides be like the proper thing and trying to make the “sea” the imperfect ascension type thing feels weird and backwards to me

[wanton pendant]

Tides are caused by the moon which is evil so Dragon of Tides was evil. Game theory.

[leaden bridge]

Like I understand the way tides is More technically

But it's weird

[wanton pendant]

All water has tides but not all water is sea water.

[west plume]

imperfectly ascending doesn't make your domain necessarily worse, but both just had control over water and bodies of water which didn't change with the ascension

[timber glacier]

Clearly the dragon’s domain should be ocean while tyrian’s is still seas

[leaden bridge]

Yeah but like u're the dragon with the power of Tides while the other guy has the power of Seas

I think seas wins against tides in the concept power scaling

Even if tides can be anywhere

[wanton pendant]

I mean, think about what happened to Tides.

Dead.

But Seas?
Mostly dead.

[leaden bridge]

Not precisely meaningful because literally everyone is dead

[west plume]

imperfectly ascending just change your domain. from a Dragon of Earth you might become a shitty God of Dirt but you could also gacha roll becoming the God of The Planet

[wanton pendant]

God of Worms.

Become unstoppable.

[timber glacier]

Most imperfect ascension seem to end up with like in some ways a more “niche” domain
Fire -> ash, death -> sacrifice, storms -> electricty
Like not “worse” but like encompassing kind of less

[west plume]

God of Worms would be unstoppable in this setting

imagine summoning the perforators on ur enemies

[wanton pendant]

"Nameless Serpent! I command you to kneel before your god!"

[timber glacier]

Imagine if there was like a boss who did this that would be crazy

[sinful adder]

"you fool! I don't have knees!"

[wanton pendant]

No.

[timber glacier]

Does primordial wyrm count as a worm boss cos like aren’t they kinda not

[west plume]

the Dragon of Night's domain became the God of Emptiness which is an objectively more versatile domain

[west plume]

has worm ai so is a worm boss 👍

[sinful adder]

Is the god of emptiness basically like gojo or something

[wanton pendant]

Storms became Electricity which is probably a step up in most ways.

[timber glacier]

Well night is like 50% of everything kinda though, while emptiness is a lack of something, so not really viewable as loke an “upgrade” kinda while tides -> sea feels a bit too much like the imperfect ascension made it better

[west plume]

otonilou lost innate power over air in that exchange i think

[sinful adder]

Or I guess that would be the old version

[timber glacier]

Anyway did the dragon of tides like live near the sunken sea cos like how did tyrian get his hands on if like can’t he only like swin or something

[west plume]

the dragon of tides lived near a body of water????

gasp.....

[timber glacier]

Not like near, y’know the main ocean of the world

Where like tides happen and stuff

Not some like underground aquifer or whatever sunken sea is