lore-discussion

[west plume]

i would say around 3 billion initially (similar to modern asia), modern day i'd say somewhere in the high millions (similar to modern europe)

the heartlands were on the cusp of industrializing or had already started industrializing when yharim started and his immediate targeting of trade routes would have just made loads of people immediately starve regardless of if they were in contest with him

[agile matrix]

damn… no factories….

[wanton pendant]

Them's the breaks.

[west plume]

if you count the people personally killed by yharim it'd probably be in the high hundred thousands, yharon is likely in the low millions in terms of personal kda

many still living godseeker knights are probably in the high ten thousands if they enlisted closer to the start of the crusade

[icy veldt]

Yharim's targeting of trade routes was immediate, but how immediate was it? Going from my own potentially outdated recollection, he initially gained many of his followers by seeming like a beacon of hope and improvement, since the first few gods that he targeted were ones that nobody liked

Would causing famines on such a short order have had a significant impact on his early reputation as a "liberator"?

[wanton pendant]

They would be really old.

[wanton pendant]

Famine is a small price to pay for salvation.

[west plume]

i think many initial recruits had the option of Joining or Starving to death and a lot of them weren't seeking prosperity or simply in agreeance with yharim

i sort of think that after doing his initial god kills he would have immediately started striking down merchants in important trade routes and scaring people into joining a temporary alliance

individuals who would have agreed with him and supported him on that basis were mostly self-sufficient i.e. azafure upper brass

[wanton pendant]

Those merchants were contributing to the divine decadence! They had to be purged!

[icy veldt]

Yes, I know. Many of his early recruits joined for many different reasons. I was asking about the impact it would've had on those who joined because they let themselves be deceived by hope. For example, Permafrost, again according to my potentially outdated understanding

[west plume]

What do you mean, Ser Yharim? I got this Aerialite ingot from a museum in the land that worships Gods. Point me to where I came, you say?

[wanton pendant]

He probably would establish his own trade routes that avoid pro-god territory.

[west plume]

see the azafure

[west plume]

ah. i think it would have caused a bunch of impact but it's difficult to say exactly how it would have impacted recruits without specific questions about geography

[wanton pendant]

How many people would Yharim recruit who understand trade economics and the ramifications of severing supply lines.

Even if the standard of education was good that's not something I'd expect people to know off the top of their head.

[west plume]

a lot of them were dumb barbarians likely. the people who would have joined due to the potential of famine would have felt it and had no other option

i'd like to think that yharim's initial warband generally wasn't composed of intelligent men

[wanton pendant]

Yes I played EU5 how could you tell?

[west plume]

:p

i'm unsure why permafrost joined exactly and you'd have to ask @spare pier or @cosmic zenith 4 that

[wanton pendant]

I have two theories.

[west plume]

i think the Fear and Greed index on permafrost leans toward fear more than greed tho

[spare pier]

Permafrost is a complicated story that will be revealed eventually

[long bloom]

hype

[wanton pendant]

...does it involve his kids dying?

[icy veldt]

Complicated? 👀

[cosmic zenith]

(Let's not answer that)

[wanton pendant]

Moral ambiguity!??!

[wheat walrus]

the beast is demonic in nature

i am the beast

[wanton pendant]

I am the night.

[split mortar]

I wanna be Siffrin

[young socket]

ok siffrin

[dusty python]

Why does draedon bother staying on terraria's planet? Is it even a planet? Is it even a sphere??

[zenith geode]

because thats where all the stuff is

[west plume]

where else is he supposed to go

[zenith geode]

why would mr "i want to research every stuff" leave stuff, place

also yeah terraria (the name of the planet) is a planet

also space travel is just like super impractical

[west plume]

why would 'i want to research everything' leave the only place within light years that has trees

or a livable temperature

or organics

or an abundance of carbon

[split mortar]

1. Because astral is a bitch in space
2. Terraria is a very science dense planet and so has most value out of other planets
3. The moon until recently had a nebulously strong thing sealed on it that could have the might to end the world and break free if disturbed until recently

Also has to figure out if breaking the speed of light over cosmic distances is plausible

[wanton pendant]

We got Calamity flat earthers.

[west plume]

like, sure, he's a robot, he can put an exo prism in his computer and then fly it away. but what's he supposed to do when gets to some exoplanet with nothing on it and a temperature close to absolute zero

[abstract hedge]

Because there's no reason to personally go to any other planets. He has drones and stuff iirc but almost everything interesting is on Terraria itself.

Only place with life that we know of (Mars doesn't count because it's "long dead" or something iirc)

Oh also not counting the Distortion which isn't in space.

[pulsar ocean]

thats not a lot theres like billions of people

[wanton pendant]

He wants to go to space but hasn't invested in the space tech yet.

[split mortar]

Aint that for moon mining not space travel atm

[wanton pendant]

He needs to travel to space to mine the moon.

[west plume]

the moon is attainable and reachable within maybe a few days or weeks of basic unmanned space flight

other planets are maybe hundreds of years away and can't be easily contacted

draedon hasn't unlocked ftl travel or communication

[abstract hedge]

Yeah but nobody wants to go to the Moon cause it's fucked up and haunted

[wanton pendant]

👍

[split mortar]

Well there is mars but thats lacking like literally everything useful iirc

[dusty python]

With his tech he should be able to easily get to anywhere in the solar system (assuming its similar/the same as ours). I'm just surprised there's no mention of him doing asteroid mining or something similar

[wanton pendant]

Again, he could, but he hasn't actively developed space faring technology.

[split mortar]

Meteorite is a prehardmode material

[west plume]

go to mars
get ship destroyed by martians
learn nothing

[wanton pendant]

Not a priority for him until he figured out other important tech.

Like wireless teleporters and ways to deal with the Astral Infection.

[abstract hedge]

IIRC there is no solar system cause the Sun orbits Terraria and is completely unique compared to stars.

[split mortar]

Wireless long distance teleporters

[abstract hedge]

Unless that got retconned

[split mortar]

Draedon calls it a planet system in draetalk

[abstract hedge]

Huh.

What on earth do the other planets orbit then?

Do they also just orbit Terraria or something?

[split mortar]

We dunno

[abstract hedge]

Black hole it is then

[split mortar]

We just know theres no central star

Thats
That would mean it would be a blackhole system then no?

[pulsar ocean]

if the planet is called terraria
does that mean the people living there are
terrarians

[split mortar]

Probambly

[shrewd stream]

Probably

[abstract hedge]

Probably

Although I think just calling them people or such would be better cause the player character is also referred to as the terrarian so it could be a bit confusing.

[shrewd stream]

It would be like calling someone, the earthling

[pulsar ocean]

people call people from mars martians

everyone's fine with that

[abstract hedge]

Lots of media calls people from x planet xlings

[split mortar]

Humanlings

[abstract hedge]

Eridians, Martians, probably a ton of others I forgot

[shrewd stream]

Or we just change earth to terra, and call people terrans, so cool

[dusty python]

Well isn't that because the planet and "country" are interchangable in those cases?

[pulsar ocean]

terran is a name

[shrewd stream]

Dolores is a also a name and it means pains

[dusty python]

Like its used as both a species name but also the equivalent to american for example

[abstract hedge]

We're not in a sci-fi world so Earth can't be called Terra

[shrewd stream]

Wait

I speak spansih

[abstract hedge]

And it can't be called Gaia because we're not in a fantasy world.

[shrewd stream]

We call it tierra

...

Not as cool

[wanton pendant]

THE Terrarian.

[shrewd stream]

They are that one

The only

[long bloom]

and they are YOU

[robust osprey]

tf u mean, tierra has enough aura

[shrewd stream]

Yeah i think im just too accustomed to it

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I'm a Terrarist.

[robust osprey]

I talk spanish too and tierra STILL has aura

[shrewd stream]

I guess but i like terra more

Is there a lore reason why this channel dies for like an hour or 2 sometimes?

[robust osprey]

cuz yharim kills the lorers beacuse they spread FAKE propaganda about him

[spark kindle]

lol

[robust osprey]

saying hes bad and all when he clearly is the misunderstood good guy

he kills every god cuz every god is evil

the god of joy and happiness? thats evil too

[spark kindle]

the goddess of life? probably plays league of legends

[compact ridge]

Speaking of gods I just wanna make sure but EoL isn’t a god right

[robust osprey]

no thats evil too

[robust osprey]

no

she is

...

something

[spark kindle]

just an empress

lmao

[robust osprey]

she certainly exists

[raven brook]

shes the child of a god

[long bloom]

she's the child of a god but doesn't have any god powers

[raven brook]

thats about everything we know

[spark kindle]

oh so shes like a spoiled kid

[raven brook]

i think madeline had an idea for a bit of a expansion of her lore ut its nothing too crazy

[west plume]

deific offshoot

[zenith geode]

i can assure you that the dragon of brutally mauling babies to death with swarms of pitbulls was in fact a good person and the god of loving puppies is ontologically evil and must be purged

[raven brook]

child of a god. wanted power. went crazy with power.

[robust osprey]

this statement is TRUE

[west plume]

zeratros and otonilou

[leaden bridge]

God let it die for forever at a time

[raven brook]

this of course is not ingame so its just an Idea a developer had

[leaden bridge]

I mean eol being the child of a god is infame

It's in her bestiary entry

[agile matrix]

remind me again, what dragon did War get their sou lfrom

[long bloom]

order

[agile matrix]

wtf thats badass

dogma got theirs from faith i remember that

[long bloom]

i'm just now realizing this is also an ultrakill reference

[agile matrix]

war and order or

[long bloom]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

Because war is violence with order or something.

[raven brook]

yeah that part is ingame already

just the rest that isn't

but its something you can probably just resonably deduce anyways

[leaden bridge]

i mean yeah its a Yharim Source but what yharim thinsk about her impli es that

[scenic kraken]

You could say it's

A war without reason

[untold oracle]

Hi

[mighty zenith]

pea

[small tapir]

what is wulfrum is it tungesten?

[hallow zenith]

wulfrum is a different metal

[split mortar]

Looks like tungsten, is called a dif word for tungsten, is available at the same tier as tungsten
Yeah its probably tungsten or tungsten related, but what it actually is is not said
Wulfrums weird

[small tapir]

if it is tungsten why is it so weak?

[split mortar]

Wulfrums weird

Also tungsten is like
Available pre boss and has weaker gear other then armour iirc

[hallow zenith]

wulfrum isnt tungsten, its a fictional weak metal alloy

[split mortar]

Wulfrum iirc is another word for tungsten
Its just weird

[hallow zenith]

it is not

[small tapir]

idk but i feel is like lead alloy with tungsten

or copper

[hallow zenith]

wulfrum is meant to be the german word for tungsten, "wolfram", but calamity devs changed one letter and made it weaker than tungsten

so while it can be considered a SORT OF tungsten, it very much is not

[small tapir]

so draedon is germen?

[split mortar]

Syrup talks about wulfrum here and why its weird

[split mortar]

??

[small tapir]

draedon made the wulfrum robots

[split mortar]

No

Yharim rebels did

Draedon is not the source of all tech in calamity

[small tapir]

ik but i was thinking draedon made wulfrum robots

[split mortar]

Well he didnt

[small tapir]

so you mean wulfrum is made by yharim rebels after draedon left?

[wanton pendant]

We don't know when they were made.

Or how Draedon leaving would have influenced that.

[split mortar]

We dunno when wulfrum was started to be made
Coulda started production before draedon left yharim

[small tapir]

i think wulfrum have been started production after draedon for copying draedon machines

[solid yarrow]

Uhh, considering the lore's new direction... will Xeroc be the final super boss in this mod?

[hallow zenith]

pretty sure yharim's supposed to be the big final guy

[split mortar]

Yeah still gonna be the post game final boss if the devs get to adding them

[split mortar]

Xeroc and noxus will be post game superbosses
Yharim will be the final boss

[hallow zenith]

holdon isnt noxus meant to be from wrath of the gods

[solid yarrow]

CHanged to Aoe/ Avatar of Emptiness

[split mortar]

Wotg early on was just adding old calamity plans

[hallow zenith]

soo noxus is gonna be canon to base calamity

[solid yarrow]

To me it will be Xeroc, to finish what Yharim couldnt

[solid yarrow]

Maybe but I want to fight Noxus since I havent done it yet ;-;

[split mortar]

Noxus is a calamity original idea, though with the rewrites will be different to the old wotg boss

[split mortar]

What does this mean

[hallow zenith]

i meann.... get an old version of wotg

or fight avatar

[split mortar]

Isnt noxus on ccr now

[hallow zenith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[small tapir]

why the player couldnt take the auric flame from providence to be a god

[split mortar]

So just go install that mod and configure it so it does not make you craft yharim bars for your starter gear or whatever the shitpost does

[solid yarrow]

Yharim wanted to end Fake Gods (a.k.a Xeroc, and or those humans who consume Auric souls) but fell into depression or something now he wants us to end him or spare him then finish what he started.

I might be wrong though but it is what I understood from the new lore

[split mortar]

Gods do not have auric souls

[split mortar]

No weong yharim denied godhood

He wants all gods dead

[hallow zenith]

weellll. not all of em

[split mortar]

?
Gods have godly souls, basically just auric souls but worse and bad to absorb

[hallow zenith]

goozma possesses an auric soul

and he's a god

[split mortar]

Goozma is not canon

[small tapir]

so if you took the auric soul then you die that means the auric soul you have is gone?

[hallow zenith]

follows calamity logic though

while not canon

[split mortar]

No

[hallow zenith]

he DOES have one

[solid yarrow]

Oh no I may have started a fight or something.

[hallow zenith]

😭

[split mortar]

Goozma just fucking forms a auric soul out of being like 4000000 slimes fused into one which if it was that easy there would br many more auric souls

[small tapir]

bro goozma could be just slime god

[split mortar]

This aint heated dw

[sinful adder]

Goozma doesn't exist and also does not follow calamity lore

[split mortar]

Slime god dies in the queen slime fight

[hallow zenith]

yeah but my point is he still has one, he exists as one entity man

[small tapir]

then who the hell is goozma isnt he is just compnation of every slime?

[split mortar]

And is not canon so why is goozma even brought up 😭

[sinful adder]

Goozma doesn't exist

Goozma isn't real

[hallow zenith]

because auric souls were mentioned and i like goozma

[sinful adder]

It's fanfiction and doesn't count

[wanton pendant]

A vast majority of the time it would be turned into a Godly Soul.

[split mortar]

Oldest iterations of noxus was just a what if slimegod ate every slime in existence and became absurdly strong and was called goozma

[wanton pendant]

The rest of the time it is a shinier Godly Soul.

[sinful adder]

Yes

[wanton pendant]

Yes, and not a Calamity character.

[split mortar]

Auric soul = soul + world soul shard
God soul = soul + auric soul

[sinful adder]

Every time someone does the ritual to ascend to become a god, they consume an auric soul to transform their soul into a godly soul

[hallow zenith]

okay so if thats the case why are you required to have the calamity mod to even have him be avaiable

he is a fanmade calamity

[sinful adder]

The auric soul is destroyed in the process

[wanton pendant]

Because it's an addon.

[sinful adder]

Fan made doesn't count. It's not calamity

[wanton pendant]

But it's not part of Calamity.

[split mortar]

Balanced for endgame calamity

[hallow zenith]

yes
that doesnt disprove my point of him still possessing an auric soul 😭

[sinful adder]

It's balanced to work with calamity

[wanton pendant]

Yes, and it's totally irrelevant.

[split mortar]

We are on about canon can we please stop bringing up the addons its just making this convo more messy

[solid yarrow]

Are Auric souls from Dragons?

[small tapir]

why cd music didnt drop draedon theme?

[hallow zenith]

you editted your message just for it to still by spelled wrong

[solid yarrow]

uhh

[hallow zenith]

kekw

[sinful adder]

It does because anything not in the regular calamity mod doesn't count. You can write whatever you want as an addon.

[hallow zenith]

from what i know yeah

[wanton pendant]

Auric Dragons obtained Auric Souls from fragments of the World Soul.

[sinful adder]

That's like saying that draedon has the star wars death star because I drew a picture of him with it

[wanton pendant]

Because they haven't made it yet.

[sinful adder]

It doesn't count

[small tapir]

wdym didnt you see the teasers

[hallow zenith]

tbf he might genuinely have one

[sinful adder]

We know for a fact he doesn't because he hasn't gone to space

Also it's missing the point

Anything not part of the main mod isn't real and doesn't count

[hallow zenith]

🥀

[split mortar]

Anyways to explain fully why this wrong

Yharim denied becoming a god and since gods have to consume an auric dragons soul believes every single god deserves death

Xeroc is the first god and yharim is trying to indoctrinate you the player into hating gods and becoming hitler 2.0 and to also get you to kill xeroc since yharim is a few magnitudes away from being able to do so and his natural death of age is coming soon

Xeroc is seemingly the guardian of the world and also has the unmatched power of the literal sun, we are not killing that

[hallow zenith]

can i know how old you are? it serves 0 purpose other than just me wanting to know, you dont have to tell me i wont force you but im js curious

[sinful adder]

25

[hallow zenith]

alright cool thanks

[split mortar]

Specifically from auric dragons, normal dragons exist like basilisks, wyverns fishrons n stuff but only the auric dragons had auric souls
Yharon the resplendent phoenix is the last one left

[small tapir]

is infernum canon?

[hallow zenith]

anyway

[wanton pendant]

No!

[hallow zenith]

nop

i assume it just emphasizes how the story is going a bit more

[split mortar]

No addons are even official other then vanilla calamity music mod which is just music

[wanton pendant]

It doesn't.

[split mortar]

Infernum is older then the current iteration of lore so no as well

[hallow zenith]

so providence didn't get sneaked by DOG

aigh

[split mortar]

No and it would be lame from a narrative standpoint if she actually was

[wanton pendant]

Nor does the 'destroy everything' goddess have a massive temple for no reason.

[hallow zenith]

would it though? it teases a stronger enemy, and brings intrigue

[split mortar]

Because providence losing to us is definitive proof of us being among the strongest, and is also something we entirely deal with ourselves
DoG sneaking in and obliterating her just kinda undoes all that

[hallow zenith]

you still Kill DoG on your own though, wouldnt that just prove you're stronger anyway?

[solid yarrow]

Is Xeroc being a traitor an old lore or somethin?

[wanton pendant]

Can't let DoG kill the evilest thing ever people would think he's a good guy.

[solid yarrow]

Dragon king betrayal or somethin

[wanton pendant]

Yharim views Xeroc as a traitor.

[split mortar]

Old lore did not have auric dragons to betray

Xeroc being the traitor almighty is a current lore thing, though the actual truthness of that title is dubious since it might not have been a betrayal

No one knows what actually went on between the monk and the dragon king

Monk went in to supposedly help dragon with injury that would end his cycle of rebirth and so kill him forever
Out comes the first god having consumed the dragons soul after some amount of time

[split mortar]

Wether the dragon convinced them to ascend, xeroc did it out of hunger for power, did it as a desperate attempt to prolong the power of the dragon incase another apocalypse appears or something else is left in the air

Though most people interpret xeroc more positively with how the guy talks and some descriptions from terminus and the aerie rock

[solid yarrow]

Then I want to ask about Yharon, He is the Dragon of Rebirth right?

And From what I saw in that new lore, he told Yharim to end the gods or something?

Yharon can revive right? A century later I think but I don’t know if its true.

He might have witnessed what happened or got the wrong idea about what happened and then told Yharim to do something about them?

but correct me if I am wrong idk.

[split mortar]

Yharon was not in the room but yeah yharon is the rebirth dragon

Yharon and yharim calling xeroc a traitor is entirely out of prejudice basically

[pulsar ocean]

almighty

[wanton pendant]

It takes him ten years to rebirth.

And Yharim vowed revenge after hearing Yharon's """"tale of woe"""".

[pulsar ocean]

pretty shitty power effectively being in a 10 year coma and then gotta survive in baby form for like another multitude of years

[split mortar]

Yharon is incredibly biased towards auric dragons and so the mere fact to ascend requires eating ones soul sort of just
Has yharon hate them on principle

[pulsar ocean]

yharon probably knows hes spewing bullshit but hes too racist to comprehend that

so he tells yharim to kill every god

and he does

[solid yarrow]

And since no one truly knows what happened between the monk and the Dragon King… Yharon got the wrong idea right?

Humans heard what Xeroc did and more “Auric Soul eater” gods started appearing.

Then Yharim ko’s them.

[feral skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/story-of-undertale-sou-sou-frisk-frisk-chara-gif-11374672556345111780

[split mortar]

Yeah basically

[feral skiff]

i forgot that gifs didn’t embed 🥲

[pulsar ocean]

did xeroc like give out the ritual to everyone interested or did someone hide behind a bush and saw xeroc do it

[solid yarrow]

^ good question

[split mortar]

Maybe other people just
Made another ritual
Since its probably inspired by moonlords power to dominate and warp even auric souls
We dont really know

[solid yarrow]

There’s still that gap where we dont know what happened between the monk and Dragon King so yeah…

[pulsar ocean]

i forgot is terminus an aerie rock or a normal rock

normal weird rock

[craggy sparrow]

Would y'all be yharim's personal jester

1 plat per hour

[split mortar]

Most likely aerie, i asked a dev how durable it was ages ago and i basically got the response “durable enough”

[pulsar ocean]

arent aerie rocks almost indestructible how did pre ascension xeroc get his hands on one

also how did he even get into the aerie

[craggy sparrow]

hoiks

[split mortar]

Xeroc is the monk of the dragon king if anyones gonna have access to the aerie then its gonna be him
We do not really know whats up with the creation of the terminus, coulda been what the dragons used to absorb the world soul shards for all we know

[pulsar ocean]

makes sense

dude i thought xeroc was like just a very dedicated fanatic

[craggy sparrow]

They need better security

could've just given the access to yharon

[pulsar ocean]

guess he really is traitor almighty if he actually had relations with the dragon king

[craggy sparrow]

i mean yharon only

[split mortar]

They have to transport the souls to the aerie for rebirth :p

[craggy sparrow]

he was just really hungry and one of the souls looked like a mcnugget

[craggy sparrow]

I feel like they should've made some sort of failsafe or traveled in packs when they were starting to get no differ by other humans

instead of trying to be a raid boss

and getting their souls sucked

[split mortar]

We only know of flame who got raid bossed who was already hated by other dragons iirc

Why didnt they hide in the aerie where 99.999% of humans cant go?

[pulsar ocean]

i think itd be really cool if the death dragon didnt get slimed out by ml's hyper death beam and we actually saw him as the only other alive auric dragon besides yharon

[split mortar]

Death got slimed by agnus

[pulsar ocean]

oh right

i thought ml killed him

[craggy sparrow]

if the dragons were smarter they could've raised more fanatic factions under their name

[split mortar]

We know ml injured life, storms, sun and mind for the pillars
Nothing about ml sliming death

[pulsar ocean]

id rather have the death dragon than ravager in the game if you think about it

[craggy sparrow]

instead of fighting a losing war

[split mortar]

Almost anything is better then ravager rn

[craggy sparrow]

same

wait as a boss or an npc

[pulsar ocean]

id imagine him as an npc

[craggy sparrow]

cause im thinking of an npc

[craggy sparrow]

nice

[real silo]

Npc that KILLS you

Murders you DEAD

[pulsar ocean]

isn’t that cool

[real silo]

you're co

[leaden bridge]

So like what does death even do

[real silo]

dieded

[leaden bridge]

Like yeah death isn't literally death but like what do they even do

[real silo]

what more than kill people

[leaden bridge]

Why didn't they just kill argus then. Are they stupid

[real silo]

Consensual ascension

[leaden bridge]

But they could've just killed everyone with their death powers?

Why didn't they just kill ml with their death beam

[pulsar ocean]

death aura

literal death aura

countered by long range projectiles

[leaden bridge]

thats actually kind of fucking hilarious im not going to lie

[noble falcon]

Why is DoG purple
Is he William Afton

[leaden bridge]

yes

after injecting himself with remnant he started mutating into that shape

then he had draedon make the ultimate springlock suit, the cosmilite armor

[limpid saddle]

so it's just Nito from DS1 but with less skeletons

[feral skiff]

Why didn't the World Army stop Yharim?

Because if he was killing people, all the armies in the world would fight him.

[noble falcon]

So that’s why he says he will not be destroyed
Because he will be back

[split mortar]

Not even people irl are that coordinated, yharim had gotten a lot of support because at first he mostly targeted evil gods

[split mortar]

And by the time he would have mainly good gods left he had enough manpower to basically be unstoppable

Dogma and war were among the first gods killed, that would already mean he was a force to be reckoned with and also that would be hell of a reputation boost

[scenic kraken]

Question

The devourer of gods is strictly a worm, or can he shapeshift?

[leaden bridge]

he can sape shift but exclusively into whatever the thing depicted in dog emojis is

[scenic kraken]

What if

[leaden bridge]

ive genuinely never understood this design

[split mortar]

No indication that DoG can shapeshift at all

[scenic kraken]

His humanoid form

Is LEGIT just Jetstream Sam

[split mortar]

Thought dogtrauma was weaver wtf

[scenic kraken]

I'm looking for an excuse to draw him as Jetstream sam

[split mortar]

Do not need an excuse just go do it

[noble falcon]

You don’t need an excuse to do something so awesome

[scenic kraken]

[noble falcon]

Draw Sam in cosmilite armor
That legitimately sounds like the most kickass thing ever

[scenic kraken]

Fuck it, Non-Canon/Au reason as to why

The Wyrm that many deities dread, in it's cosmic glory, fell to the hands of... A simple mortal?!

A mortal, simply just dodged out of his jaws and cut his form with a sword?!

Two can play at that game, puny terrarian!

So, when the beast moves in to do it's portal lunge attack...

Instead of massive Jaws, instead a familiar red blade cuts through the air, nearly cutting off the head of our terrarian

Two can play the same game, Terrarian, so LET'S DANCE!

(this assumes it's a Melee playthrough)

[west plume]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

a lot of yharim's initial crusade was vocally focused on eliminating people who everyone agreed were mostly common threats by any means necessary. by the time everyone realized that there wasn't going to be a return to the status quo, there was no one who'd really be able to fight back

[scenic kraken]

Sooo

The Murasama is still a copy of the original lore wise, right?

[split mortar]

Murasama aint canon

Its a reference item

And so is not canon

[scenic kraken]

...can I still write a way onto how it is canon in a quick what if rn?

[split mortar]

nothings stopping you so go ahead

[wanton pendant]

Like, nothing stopping you from having a really strong red sword.
It specifically belonging to Jetstream Sam from the hit game Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is a no go, because unfortunately the lore writers are trying to erase Big Boss' accomplishments from history.

[leaden bridge]

i wonder how long the corruption and crimson took to form because despite the fact both war and dogma definitely needed to be dead id have been pretty mad at yharim for not clentaminating that shit day 1 after it formed

i know theres more people in there too blike

u get the point

[noble falcon]

Draedon is the most advanced robot ever, he can definitely run MGR, if he has good taste he’d be a fan of it and wanna make Sam’s sword real considering how busted it is

[west plume]

i dont think it formed day one

i think yharim started throwing god corpses in a mass grave and then when the land around them became icky he went like Oops

Guess I need to store em more efficiently

proceeds to make woffle

[noble falcon]

Then we give the wall a goodly beating and welp
Bigger oops

But we get wings so it’s ok

[steep ledge]

so Calamity reject the original lore ?

[west plume]

yes

[steep ledge]

ok

what was the point of dumping nuclear waste 😭 ?

in an already irradiated sea ?

[noble falcon]

I mean gotta go somewhere

Can’t go in space cause of the world borders

[steep ledge]

bro Draedon is a freaking cosmic engineer, can't he just throw them in a star ?

[noble falcon]

Yes I know they aren’t canon

[west plume]

it was already toxic and draedon is not a good person

[steep ledge]

really ? I always thought Draedon was neutral

[west plume]

chaotic neutral

[young socket]

if he were neutral he would like

make proper containment stuff at least

[steep ledge]

I mean we do the same

[young socket]

instead he finds it more optimal to put it in a place where no one goes anyway

[steep ledge]

nuh I build houses there

bro what did Silva do 😭

we don't even see her in the abyss

[young socket]

shes the goddess of life

[split mortar]

She is a god and so deserves death according to yharim

[steep ledge]

ye I kinda get that, but why she's more disrespected thann the other gods ?

[split mortar]

Fallen stars are stars in calamity they do not tend to be that big
And draedon does not have space travel

[split mortar]

Immortal

Unlile the others

[steep ledge]

ye because she's an elemental ?

[split mortar]

Yeah god and elemental

[steep ledge]

you know when I said stars I meant something like the sun

[split mortar]

Still why when can dump onto a mostly dead spot and be rid of it

[steep ledge]

because throwing them in the Sun and the trashes are gone forever and for good, whereas throwing them in the sea, not only the trashes are still there but it kills the ecosystem

[split mortar]

Draedon does not have morality, seeing how life adapts to the waste is an upside

Because draedon only cares about progressing science

[wanton pendant]

Can't reach the sun. Too far.

Yharim's arms are not long enough.

[steep ledge]

make sense

[steep ledge]

use Draedon chair

[wanton pendant]

Oh, wait, you meant Draedon, I thought you meant Yharim should put his trash (Silva) into the sun.

[steep ledge]

talk better about baddies

[wanton pendant]

You're right, as all gods, she is a bad guy.

This post was approved by true Godseeker patriots.

[steep ledge]

🥹son

[steep ledge]

I'm neither a godseeker patriot or a god helper, I just want to kill everything and everyone

[wanton pendant]

This post was approved by true Profaned Cultists.

[steep ledge]

I will kill them too, wait they are already

after deeper lecture into the lore yeah Draedon is kinda an assshole

[split mortar]

Anything for science

[scenic kraken]

Yharim, while growing up, always admired powerfull people, men with strength, women with strength, you name it

Though, one intrigued him the most in Yharim's adult years

A man, coming from a tropical climate just like him, wielding a blade so strong, not even gods dare defy him or his fate.

A man, that Yharim decided to challenge to duel... A foolish mistake.

A one on one duel, Yharim with his Tyrant Sword, and The Man wielding his blade and scabbard.

In written history, it is said that it was a long hard fought battle, that Yharim just barely lost to the Man in bladed combat

But in reality, The Tyrant was struck down in just three strikes.

Worse of all blade was never drawn out of it's scabbard, as it was blunt strikes that the Tyrant didn't even see coming, that toppled his auric body.

The most embarrassing defeat, not by the hands of Statis or by the hand of Braelor... But by a simple, double jumping man, from Brazil.

So, in his envy, Yharim demanded an exact copy of his blade to be made, for him to wield and defeat The Man with his own blade

No matter how much the Machine worked though, it could never replicate the strength of The Crimson Blade wielded by The Man

And so, deemed a failure, it now remains locked in the Underworld, forever waiting a master willing to wield it's imperfect might.

:3

I like to think that this Samuel Rodriguez didn't even wear the cybernetic suit

He just wore a simple robe and pants to this fight, looking like a Ronin if anything

[leaden bridge]

fascinating stuff happening

[steep ledge]

so Dryads are irrevelent ?

does this mean Prime moon Lord is the strongest entity ?

[eager bluff]

yes

pml is the strongest thing we know of

and yeah dryads dont do much in lore afaik

[young socket]

vanilla and calamity lore are entirely different

[steep ledge]

alright thank you

btw is that Sisyphus prime ?

[young socket]

thats doobie prime

[eager bluff]

doobie

[magic epoch]

they're so doobius

[steep ledge]

if Thanatos was to fight DoG who would win ?

[eager bluff]

thanatos

[split mortar]

Second strongest, only below the guy who has the power of the actual fucking sun

[steep ledge]

Empress of Light ?

[split mortar]

Xeroc

[steep ledge]

apparently Moon lord is on pare with prime xeroc

[scenic kraken]

Dare I say Moon Lord wins due to Experience?

[split mortar]

Oh peculiar i swear the common consensus was xeroc number 1 with ml being the second strongest
Will have to look into it more

[steep ledge]

I think moon lord has more strength and hax too

[split mortar]

Xeroc may have been doomslayering the distortion for centuries for all we know

[scenic kraken]

Maybe

[split mortar]

We literally see xeroc replicate moonlord in boss rush

[scenic kraken]

Eh, I could see it both ways

[scenic kraken]

The remains of him*

[steep ledge]

an heavily nerfed moon lord*

[scenic kraken]

Then again, any upscale of our enemies, is an upscale to us.

Again, calamitas gave up on fighting us because there was no way she could win.

[steep ledge]

I would say the Terrarian is by far the strongest person

[split mortar]

And that we are not becoming hitler 2

[scenic kraken]

Nah, we're worse

[steep ledge]

I woudl say Yharim is worse than the big H

[scenic kraken]

Honestly, i wish I was in the old rp server for calamity

[split mortar]

Xeroc is strong enough we cannot kill the guy with in game gear and the fight will just be a spar

[scenic kraken]

Who knows what I could've cooked up

[scenic kraken]

Ain't that a non-canon addon tho-

[split mortar]

Nameless deity aint even xeroc
Im describing calamitys plans for xeroc

Nameless deity is just
The universe or smth

Beyond even the world soul by a comical degree

[scenic kraken]

Ah

[west plume]

the issue is mostly that if you actually try to kill xeroc he just teleports a mile away and microwave beams you until you fuck off

trying to kill xeroc is kind of a pointless endeavor for the vast majority of people

and he won't just get himself killed on purpose like yharon

[mighty zenith]

if he sees you as a threat he won't fuck around and will just go all out immediately

[pulsar ocean]

why dont we just use the universe splitter to split the universe and one tap him

[split mortar]

Xeroc has the universe gluer and can just glue it back together

[pulsar ocean]

damn

why dont we just use the love potion on yharim so he tells us the ritual and we absorb yharon and defeat xeroc

[noble falcon]

Why don’t we cheat in legacy edition heart arrows and stunlock xeroc into oblivion

No amount of deific power will protect you from dubious game design choices

[west plume]

what is yharons soul gonna do to prevent xeroc from teleporting a mile away and microwaving u

[pulsar ocean]

i respawn and try again

[west plume]

fair point

[split mortar]

Xeroc microwaves you again

[pulsar ocean]

I try again

[scenic kraken]

What if we just

Put him against Goku

[west plume]

xeroc long distance microwaves goku

[pulsar ocean]

bro calamity verse is like continental

xeroc has a gun and it counters Goku

sorry goku is not xerocversal

[west plume]

it isnt even a matter of scaling. if you can't just outright telefrag xeroc all he does is sit a mile away and shoot a beam of microwaves at you until you go away

[scenic kraken]

But xeroc is not Gokuversal

[split mortar]

Xeroc is as annoying to fight as the tf2 sniper got it

[scenic kraken]

Here's the thing

Saiyans are immune to radiation me thinks

[west plume]

Yes

theres no amount of physical strength that can overcome an enemy that refuses to fight you and has an instant microwave beam

[scenic kraken]

The ever so humble V1 with railback coining

[split mortar]

V1 when xeroc makes it a fast blue projectile instead of hitscan

[scenic kraken]

...what shade of blue

Also wait

Nah nah nah

A projectile no matter can be parrief

[split mortar]

I do not see coins parrying the light of a virtue so i think xeroc also just can make stuff too big for them to work on as well

[split mortar]

You can parry the blackhole?

[wanton pendant]

Royal Guard!

[plucky juniper]

does the gravity of a black hole count as “physical strength”?

[pulsar ocean]

stinky

[waxen summit]

it is confirmed by calamity devs

xeroc>noxuc>phobos in terms of battle streng

noxus>xerox>phobos in terms of destructive power

[split mortar]

Battle has fovos above noxus no?

[waxen summit]

no?

[split mortar]

I remember more recent stuff putting ml as second in the battle strength part, being the only one able to give xeroc struggle without preparation
Dev statement hell moment i think

[waxen summit]

oh

then i am outdated

is scal still equall to exo mechs atleast?

[split mortar]

Progression is accurate to boss power so yeah

[split mortar]

Dev statements at best should be taken with a kilo of salt they change so fucking often

[sacred pilot]

Physical transformation happens due to absorbing Auric Souls and it is exaggerated and accelerated if the Gods let their powers define them.

Xeroc must be a mfing being of pure Primordial Light.

[waxen summit]

uh monlord is very low tier

[split mortar]

Well yeah the guy has no organs or lower half

[waxen summit]

also how many auric souls noxus devour

[split mortar]

Like ml is literally that thing of “this character vs goku who has no limbs no organs and a broken skull” but the answer is moonlord still among the top strongest calamity characters and can still kick ass

[split mortar]

I dont think its stated anywhere noxus has even touched an auric soul

[waxen summit]

i remember he absorving more then 1 auric soul

[split mortar]

Since when?

[waxen summit]

idk 2-3 year

[split mortar]

We have fuckall knowledge on noxus
Not even name dropped in game
All we know is

Exists
Likely wants to end the world
Likely made ceaseless void
Likely the boss/ creator of the devourer
Likely the cause of the hivemind in the distortion
Probably made storm weaver

[pulsar ocean]

or does he exist

[light linden]

I'm still wondering how fovos and noxus are related

[split mortar]

We dunno if they are, beyond both originating from a dubiously large crack in spacetime

[west plume]

a black hole is an object with mass and therefore isnt immune to being microwave beamed or faster than a microwave beam

i dont think xeroc is too terribly difficult to kill if you can Get to him

its just the fact that he has like one solution to almost every approach of a 1 on 1 battle

like, xeroc isn't super durable and can't really reflect attacks and doesn't have a particularly broken weapon

he just beats everything that doesnt have similar levels of cowardice

[plucky juniper]

That’s not how black holes work

Like I

what

[split mortar]

Xeroc just grabs the space and undistorts it idk

[west plume]

'shooting infinite energy into a black hole wont do anything bro trust me'

'hawking radiation isn't real bro you have to believe me'

[plucky juniper]

are you trying to create an electron moon situation

cause that’s how you get an electron moon level black hole

[pulsar ocean]

johnny with tusk act 4 and a horse solos xeroc

[west plume]

this is true

[plucky juniper]

for those who don’t know, someone once asked the xkcd guy what would happen if you had a moon made solely of electrons and a earth made of protons

the conclusion after asking a physicist was that the electron moon would ultimately have the energy/mass equivalent to the observable universe, thus creating a black hole that might straight up consume the entire universe as its range of gravity ever expands

[split mortar]

Wait the electron moon is more fucked up then the proton earth damn

[plucky juniper]

the electron moon was so destructive randal didn’t even bother to elaborate further on the proton earth, it was just that fucked

[split mortar]

Oh

[light linden]

I feel like proton earth would basically just explode like a flashbang on a galactic scale

[plucky juniper]

hang on

[plucky juniper]

this is the blog about this horrendous scenario
https://what-if.xkcd.com/140/

[waxen summit]

isn't hivemind is remnants of corruption

[feral skiff]

this was a very interesting read, thank you for sharing

[split mortar]

Im not on about the boss

As by what draedon says, he hypothesises that most life in the distortion works under one mind or smth along those lines

[split mortar]

And itd be dumb to say this and then not have it be true

[waxen summit]

uh

basicly hive mind

which is essance of dead gods

i don't think it is related to noxuc

[split mortar]

Im not on about hivemind the boss

[young socket]

hive mind as in

[waxen summit]

same

[young socket]

the actual term

[waxen summit]

i am using as term

not boss

[young socket]

can you go to google and search up "hive mind definition" or whatever

[waxen summit]

i already know it mean

i even refer to it

essance of dead god cause a hivemind

[split mortar]

Tsuki i think we both misinterpreted this messages

[waxen summit]

thats what i am saying

[split mortar]

Thats the boss not the term

The term is just multiple bodies under one mind iirc

[waxen summit]

thats what i refer to

whole corruption is hive mind

sorry for confussion

[split mortar]

Happens

[waxen summit]

i am not very well with english

how strong perma frost in verse

like can he stand a change damaged phobos?

[split mortar]

We dunno for sure but i doubt much further then mid hardmode
He is absurdly smart but does not focus on combat which limits him i think

[waxen summit]

he teached scal

thats why i wonder

also was higher rank on army og yharim

[split mortar]

Teaching is a knowledge based thing not strength based so i do not see why that affects it much

[waxen summit]

hm oka

how strong is DoG

becuase he devour essance od gods

wouldn't that make him superior

[dusk laurel]

no

he doest digest any of it

[split mortar]

Game progression is accurate
Above old duke and polter, below yharon

[wild escarp]

i miss the old lore powerscaling

dog made more sense

[split mortar]

It would make half the strong characters make no fundamental sense
It would just break the story

[split mortar]

DoG is stronger then all but the strongest gods

[split mortar]

Also how so?

Old lore had providence who wants to end the world be stronger then deus who can eat hydrogen stars and she did not end the world for some reason or could not

[manic coral]

i mean being stronger than "can detsroy the entire setting" is kind of, narratively speaking

generally functionally redundant

[split mortar]

Yeah

[manic coral]

all it does past that is make any dissonance that exists between gameplay and story more egregious

you hear about people who can level entire cities and evaporate entirely inland seas and stuff like that can never be visually communicated when they're in-combat already

[split mortar]

Current lore is much lower in scale and there still is a good bit of dissonance with how stuff probably should realistically be like

[manic coral]

and you never get ahold of anything that's actually genuinely ultra-destructive and get capped off and top speeds of like

160mph

things already do not ever come across as fast or as weighty at they're actually "supposed" to be

not when there's characters who are functionally walking nukes in the setting

and that used to be even worse with some of the super old stuff

[sacred pilot]

Is this about Red Nation complaining about Calamity's scaling being "too low"?

[eager bluff]

in old lore dog was also not that strong because he only actually did the thing that got him his namesake once and didnt even eat the whole god nor was the god alive prior to dog trying to eat it

[wanton pendant]

He could go to space so... Uh... He could breath in space.

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message

[sacred pilot]

Ah. Right.

The current powerscaling is fine as is.

The story takes place only within a continent, it would be very nonsensical if everyone could blow up planets.

[split mortar]

Other continents do exist and yharims war was global but yeah point still stands

[manic coral]

Whomst

[long bloom]

r*ddit

they're the red nation

[manic coral]

oh

[wanton pendant]

Made more sense, as if he wasn't more of a fraud.

[manic coral]

i mean tbh the subreddit is always doing that

[long bloom]

true

[west plume]

the problem with powerscaling is that having like 20 characters that can obliterate the setting turns it into dbz where nothing interesting can happen and every action is just a precursor to the characters beating each other up with fisticuffs

as soon as a dev says 'xeroc can use the obliteration bomb and instantly win any fight which is why yharim hasn't killed him yet' or 'draedon is actually capable of ending the whole world but he just chooses not to' the first questions with character interactions between them isn't 'how would this character require to (x) stimulus in (y) scenario' it's 'lol who would win unstoppable force vs immovable object'

[long bloom]

is draedon not capable of ending the world if he really tried?

[west plume]

i guess it depends on how you define ending the world? would poisoning the oceans be good enough?

[long bloom]

killing everyone basically

[west plume]

draedon can just start dumping petroleum into the middle of the atlantic and the world dies in like 20 years

[languid badge]

with enough time draedon could definitely kill every living being on the planet it'd just be
years if not decades

[long bloom]

👍

[zenith geode]

i can see him sending the world into a post apocalyptic wasteland by dumping a ton of sludge into everything and making orphan torcher part 3

but like it wouldnt be a destroying the world kinda deal just systematically making it unable to support life

[west plume]

or worse yet 'we can't implement (x) character because they're too strong so they have to sit in the back of the setting idling' which is what's happening to xeroc and noxus. they were kinda nothing characters previously because they were written to be The Powerful Guys

Yharim hates Mr. Powerful Guy and Yharim is the strongest mortal but Yharim can't kill Mr. Powerful Guy because he's too powerful rather than the dozens of other reasons it'd be difficult to kill or even pin down an embodiment of light

[long bloom]

BREAST

[west plume]

@drifting canyon

[trim edge]

xeroc when yharim holds up a mirror

[west plume]

or the regular powerscaling discussion of 'Why doesn't Draedon just travel to outer space and colonize other planets? Is he stupid?' because the writers previously wrote him as Mr. Best Engineer rather than a thinking machine with no obligations

[zenith geode]

misty grease give me bittheriumsolana casino or whatever

[long bloom]

they were nothing characters previously?

[wanton pendant]

Hey, Draedon had depth! Like he was bad at cloning! And... And...

[agile matrix]

Had depth implies he doesnt have like

Trench depth at worst

[warm gull]

old lore was pretty bad

[agile matrix]

like he's my favorite character but he doesnt really have depth as a character

[warm gull]

new lore is just unfinished, not really bad

lot of shit to flesh out

[agile matrix]

other than "i will do whatever it takes to progress"

[agile matrix]

true

[warm gull]

the baseline of old lore isnt bad

[agile matrix]

i like draedon but if i say that Yharim has more depth i dont feel that im too far off

[warm gull]

like, what xeroc had as a base is pretty good

[agile matrix]

again this comment is likely because draedon isnt fully fleshed out yet. as of current he feels trench deep while yharim feels well deep

[warm gull]

some potential guilt for zeratros/the genocide of the dragons, but still pretty solid in their resolve

[craggy sparrow]

Yharim has depth...not as much though

[agile matrix]

and old lore he was maybe shallow depth

[warm gull]

but i think I heard that xeroc just... didnt have much at all actually written for him beyond that

[craggy sparrow]

he was hungry and ate da soul

[warm gull]

which like, why? its not like there's been a shortage of time to flesh it out

[agile matrix]

i made a long ass semi-essay a bit back where i consider yharim a better representation of the domain of Rebirth compared to Yharon

[craggy sparrow]

Yharim as rebirth or yharim as dogma

[agile matrix]

and how Yharon rescuing Yharim is maybe the most influencial "Rebirth" thing he's ever done, not accounting for the incredibly important "keeping the draconic age alive by force"

[warm gull]

the mod/writers usually gave me the impression that a lot more was planned behind the scenes and just not released yet

[agile matrix]

well you see. most of the lore was in the bosses

[trim edge]

what god would yharim have become if he had eaten the yhauric soul

[agile matrix]

and all of the bosses were done by The Horse

[craggy sparrow]

Dont worry we got hype moments and aura instead

[warm gull]

but it seems quite often like that was more of an illusion that I fabricated rather than actually the way it was

[agile matrix]

common agreement says "Eternity"

[craggy sparrow]

true

[trim edge]

mutant x yharim canon

[craggy sparrow]

fargos seeing all of his mod characters get thought of as calamity originals

due to modpacks

[warm gull]

fargos doesnt really have lore at all tbf

the characters are funny though

[wanton pendant]

Lumberjack solos Xeroc.

[timber glacier]

Okay this is a weird lore question but like is the snow/ice biome in calamity basically entirely made of snow and ice in lore like in game or are like “ice blocks” actally like stone covered with ice

Cos like if it was just ice and snow that would suggest like its a massive frozen over lake (thats also strangely a trapezoidal shape with the widest part at the bottom

[long bloom]

i assume that ice is ice

[timber glacier]

But like it literally just being ice wouldn’t really make sense since how the hell is there still snow parts really far down as well

[long bloom]

magic idk

we have no idea what the tundra is

other than it formed in prehistory, largely aided by ice claspers, and permafrost greatly expanded its size at some point

[heavy zenith]

Permafrost amplified the climate of the tundra

[timber glacier]

Actually now that I think about the jungle also don’t make sense cos sunlight couldn’t reach the underground plants

[heavy zenith]

i get what you mean, even in summer, some technical "tundras" are filled with greenery. But i think Permafrost made the whole ice blocks super far down a thing

[west plume]

theres a sun temple with a sun golem

and sun energy cells

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like not all the caves are connected so the light couldn’t reach the entire place

[noble falcon]

What is Yharim’s favorite iteration of Rainbow Road

[magic epoch]

None he's homophobic

[timber glacier]

Would Yharim support trans rights?

[eager bluff]

not really something possible for anyone to support or deny considering theres a potion for it you could probably get from any half decent potion seller

[raven brook]

i mean i think even then discrimination could be a thing. though probably way less

[timber glacier]

Well it is crafted with like rare herbs from like all across the world so I’d imagine it in universe would be more rare

[raven brook]

On that note Yharim probably would be ok with it

[eager bluff]

you didnt kill any dragons to do it so you're fine in his book

[raven brook]

"yharim im trans"

"we have to kill the gods"

[visual kiln]

why do you look lik me

[eager bluff]

gay gay homosexual gay

[raven brook]

afab godseeker knight transing they gender into a guy

[visual kiln]

afab sounds like a name

[raven brook]

yharim im coming out as a trans man, i hope you support me

[visual kiln]

like an actual name

[raven brook]

we have to kill the gods

we have to kill the gods

we have to kill the gods

[visual kiln]

shure we can kill the gods

the gods at home:

[eager bluff]

we have to kill the gods

[visual kiln]

whale

[eager bluff]

WHAT

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if like anyone decided to try to make like a bug or something ascend

[raven brook]

it dpeneds on if ascending another being with the ritua is possible at all

[visual kiln]

scarabeus-

[eager bluff]

dont think thats possible but if it is probably just ravager 2

[agile matrix]

i think this discussion was held a bit back: im not sure if non-sentient creatures Can ascend

[raven brook]

ive thought about the idea of someone using the ritual on some animawl for some reason. i have no idea why they'd ever do that but the idea of a "feral god" in that sense sounds kind of badass

[agile matrix]

it does

[raven brook]

sapient, not sentient

but regardless

if the ritual can only be performed on you, as in the person actually performing the ritual, then yeah it wouldnt really be possible

[eager bluff]

or would it be ravager 0.5

[raven brook]

but if say, a sapient individual can perform the ritual on some other being, then yeah

[agile matrix]

im pretty sure i mean sentient

[timber glacier]

Well depending on what needs to be done you could force somthing to do it

[raven brook]

if you mean sentient then you're talking like. sea sponges

[agile matrix]

aka without a knowledge of self

[eager bluff]

sentient is almost any animal

[agile matrix]

oh then sapient

my bad

[raven brook]

yeah it depends on that which is likely something we'll never learn since the ritual's details is intentionally kept obscure

forver stuck on the realm of headcanon

if the ritual can be perfoemd on another being thats not yourself then yeah someone could've used the irutal to ascend a dog or something

i'm not sure what circumstances would lead someone to do that. maybe they had a beloved pet that was dying and they ascended them to keep them alive or something

or maybe they were just crazy. happens

[visual kiln]

scarabeus origin story

[agile matrix]

sparring with Xeroc for 10 minutes and he halts to quickly tell you how he ascended but its been so long that he forgot the fine details and only remembers the emotional damage of it

[timber glacier]

Maybe just cos they’re curious

[raven brook]

maybe they're the world's greatest ragebaiter

[visual kiln]

ok tbh if u ascended a beetle with zeratros's soul i think the result would actually be scarabeus

[agile matrix]

Woofie, God of Bones (from the dragon of hunger)

[raven brook]

get an army to fight a dragon. hundreds of your men die, many more are severely injured. wounded, you slay the dragon and take his soul

[timber glacier]

Actually now that I think about it wouldn’t draedon eventually be curious enough to test something about it cos like eventually Draedon and Silva would probably eventually meet and like she knows how to ascend, and there is still 1 dragon in existance with yharon

[raven brook]

your men are eager to see you ascend, your newfound power leading your nation to prosperity, political power and glory

[agile matrix]

i think yharim would obliterate draedon if Yharon died by his hand

[eager bluff]

you ascend this cat you found on the side of the road

[raven brook]

you then perform the ritual on a random ant that was on the floor. before you bleed out to death your last words are "lol. lmao." and you fall limp on the floor

[eager bluff]

this is how braelor ant came to be

[agile matrix]

yknow what would be REALLY cool. i know its not at ALL true and this is entirely hype moments and aura

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like if you had already ascended and managed to get another auric soul like what do you do with it since doesn’t multiple cause issues

[raven brook]

I highly doubt silva would give him that information

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like both are probably going to exist for a very very very long time and like draedon very well could forcivly take the information from her

[eager bluff]

i really dont think silva would trust draedon out of any character in calamity with the ascension ritual

[raven brook]

If Draedon wanted to discover the ascencion ritual i think there are probably other ways he could. I'm sure there's some lost scriptures about it on the world somewhere

[agile matrix]

: for specifically really powerful dragons, the process of ascension also consumes the weaker (often human) souls nearby the ascendee once they do it
ergo, if you ascend a non-sapient creature with enough general sapience around it, they gain sapience

[raven brook]

Yharim might've erased most of the info on it atp but i'm sure some stuff went by

[eager bluff]

like he is probably the last person she would trust knowing the ritual

[timber glacier]

Since ones a robot that don’t age and the other will only ever truly die if literally every living thing dies so like theres a fair chance draedon might investigate

[agile matrix]

again this is Not Real and Entirely Fake. i just think the idea of ascending via powerful dragons' souls would cause such a vacuum it consumes other nearby souls of likely 100x weaker creatures who just cant handle it (aka killing the Fuck outta them)

and thatd be Cool as Shit.

[eager bluff]

if draedon ascended with yharons soul what domain do yall think hed get

[raven brook]

i wanna say something like evolution would fit the mixture of Draedon + Rebirth

[timber glacier]

Well he isn’t a living thing so he himself probably couldn’t

But like maybe advancement

[raven brook]

the funny thing to think about is if draedon can even ascend. it depeends on whether he has a soul or not

which i think is debatable

[eager bluff]

i dont think even he knows if he has a soul or not

[timber glacier]

Do we even know if ascending needs the ascendee to have a “soul”

[visual kiln]

if he doesnt have a soul then the auric soul is his ig

[eager bluff]

it merges souls so yeah it does

[raven brook]

I mean traditionally, ascencion is a fusion of souls

[agile matrix]

yeuh

[visual kiln]

which would make him a dragon by technicality

ig

[agile matrix]

i mean do Souls have like. Power (electricity)

[raven brook]

if draedon can still ascend without a soul then i guess. yeah hed be closer to an auric dragon than a god actually which is kinda funny

[eager bluff]

otherwise you're just sticking an unchanged auric soul in a box and calling it a god

[raven brook]

though actually

not even that

no no nvm yeah

he'd be closer to an auric dragon

i was gonna say he'd actually be closer to the world soul

[agile matrix]

Draedon could mock-attune by using the soul as a power (energy) and power (FEEEEL MY POWERRRRRRRR) source

[raven brook]

because auric dragons themselves already are a merge of 2 souls

but no we're talking about him ascending with an auric soul here so yeah

[agile matrix]

this is a really funny mental image. Draedon shooting thunderbolts from his clawed hands

[raven brook]

its kinda funny to think about how the dragons themselves mighte been called gods or at minimum definitely were worshipped as godlike figures ot some extent during the draconic era

[agile matrix]

"While my prime directive is the pursuit and continuation of the nature of science, the instinct this auric soul has granted me to electrocute you is apparently primary. With that being said, FEEL MY POWERRRRR!" and he just zeuses you

[raven brook]

fucked up isnt it

[eager bluff]

honestly i think if draedon ascended he would just flat out be an auric dragon because the signifier there is the souls composition and afaik thats completely unchanged with him

[raven brook]

something something yharim whatever

hed be closer to an auric dragon than anything else yea

tho i mean he isnt really a dragon so hes like. an auric uh

auric nokia

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if like its possible to ascend with a god’s soul instead of a dragon’s

[raven brook]

theoreticaally yes

in practice uh

[agile matrix]

okay so like you CAN eat uranium

[raven brook]

well the souls are extremely unstable and basically explode instantly once the god is dead

[agile matrix]

However:

[visual kiln]

wtf

[raven brook]

god to know

the aurafarming souls

the aurafarming ore

[agile matrix]

auric i believe is the possessive of Aurum which is Gold

[raven brook]

and so on

[visual kiln]

i thought arucisf meant gold

[raven brook]

it can have multiple meanings

[eager bluff]

actually this brings up an interesting question if draedon ascends does it only apply to the body that ascended or does it apply to all instances of draedon across all his servers

[raven brook]

words tend to i think

[agile matrix]

plug that shit into the grid

i feel like powering ONE body is very hazardous

[raven brook]

Perfect ascencions like silva and dwayne "xeroc" johnson might be a different case though

[eager bluff]

and if it applies to all instances of draedon does that mean he can duplicate auric souls

[raven brook]

maybe if you somehow found a miracuous way to kill xeroc you could scend with his soul

I'm not sure how good of an idea that would be but yeah

you have uh. what. four souls in one now

[visual kiln]

is noxus a hive mind or smth i forgor

[raven brook]

good luck with your mental health and stability

[raven brook]

something like that yes

[visual kiln]

how similar is noxus to draedon

[raven brook]

we don't know

[eager bluff]

probably i dont think we know exactly

[raven brook]

we know jackshit about noxus really lol

[visual kiln]

oh ok

meo

[eager bluff]

it would be incredibly funny because

draedon would potentially be the first individual to be able to ascend with their own soul

[visual kiln]

i wonder if draedon would actually be able to ascend with more than 1 auric soul without dying bc of how distributed he is

[raven brook]

i have no idea how it'd work but the idea of draedon suddenly just getting an army of divine drone bodies is simultanenously nighmarish and also the funniest thing ever

like what do you even do at that point

i dont think even xeroc can do anything about that

😭

just like give up man its not worth it

[visual kiln]

could just be that whatever draedon's central like thingy is gets ascended

in which case draedon would look a lot like noxus most likely

[eager bluff]

abandon ship move to the next dimension put as much distance between yourself and draedon as possible

[visual kiln]

bunch of random drones (distortion enemies) and a central nexus thingy (noxus)

[agile matrix]

consider the following via this blueprint i stole

[raven brook]

i feel like the most realistic outcome is that draedon could try to stuff a soul inside one specific construct or body and that specific body, assuming the experiment is successfull, would get divine powers

[agile matrix]

aka The Auric Soul System (aka ASS)

[raven brook]

and if that body is destroyed then the soul would probably just be ripe for the picking

[timber glacier]

Actually if it needs a soul to ascend like wouldn’t it be able to work on the mech bosses

[raven brook]

and it wouldn't influence other constructs ro bodies

however the thought of draedon with his army of 5000 divinely ascended robots is still fucking hilarious so im choosing to believe that one

[visual kiln]

weird version of the exo mechs that have yharon's xeroc's and silva's souls

[raven brook]

theoretically yeah

[agile matrix]

just realized something

are the mechs polterghasts

[eager bluff]

mech bosses would be incredibly unstable if they ascended but

[agile matrix]

specifically the hardmode mechs

[eager bluff]

kinda yeah

[agile matrix]

huh.

[timber glacier]

I’d kind of image that like it might ascend the soul inside but like theres like probably nothing directly happening to the body outside of any like radiation or stuff from the ascended soul for rhe mechs because they aren’t actually tied to the soul

[raven brook]

kinda but not exactly

[agile matrix]

thats kinda cool

[raven brook]

they have alot more control than polterghast i assume due to less souls being used and also the souls being more unified under a common goal

[agile matrix]

i woulda thought they're more reigned in

[raven brook]

plus, they willingly accepted this transformation rather than being murdered and forced onto it

[eager bluff]

and also the fusion is presumably more controlled

[agile matrix]

i mean did the polterghast souls object directly to being part of the polterghast

i thought they more or less objected to dying but not to being part of the "FUCK YOU I HATE YOU DIE"mobile

[timber glacier]

Isn’t polterghast an amalgamation of souls so bascially just made of souls and like maybe some organic parts, while the mechs are just using the souls as fuel

[eager bluff]

no

[raven brook]

draedon deploying his 500 scout bodies each and every single one perfectly ascended with yharons soul at the nearest civilization (its all part of a experiment dw)

https://i.redd.it/1mh5qudoue971.jpg

[eager bluff]

i can almost read a single word

[agile matrix]

i mean you're not wrong

[raven brook]

dw i got this

[agile matrix]

why did you remove teh image

oh i see

[timber glacier]

I will say if draedon ascended it probably wouldn’t be the most “dangerous” god that would’ve existed in the universe

[raven brook]

nvm that image is worse it isnt the full thing

dw is till got this

[eager bluff]

draedon probably would be the most dangerous

[agile matrix]

i feel like Yharim, God of Eternity would be the most dangerous

[timber glacier]

I moreso meant he doesn’t directly have reasons to like kill everyone

While like providence wants to do that for example

[agile matrix]

given they could not have a thing they like (since they now hate themselves for being a god and ascending)

[split mortar]

Hi chat i woke up early by multiple hours for some reason

[agile matrix]

dude im pretty sure would lock people in time prison

[raven brook]

if draedon were to ascend with 500 perfectly ascended rebirth drones its basically just like. well i sure do hope he dosent decide to kill me for his newest experiment

like its fine until he decides to do fucked up shit

then you just like cry

[agile matrix]

or "time prison" ("im gonna make SURE you feel this for every last moment of your existance"

[raven brook]

nothing you can do about it. just cry.

[eager bluff]

the difference between provi and draedon is that draedon is smart and also unpredictable

[raven brook]

xeroc when he comes back from the distortion

"man im so glad noxus is gone now i can finally relax a bit."

the 500 perfectly yharon-soul ascended draedon drones:

[timber glacier]

Providence wants to kill literally everything whereas there would basically be no times where draedon actually killing everything would be something he wants to do

[agile matrix]

how soon could xeroc get back, realistically

[eager bluff]

with mass production capability!

[split mortar]

Oh no draedon with yharon immortality

[agile matrix]

he could also have to face "Absolutely Fucking Livid And Mourning Godseeker, Yharim"

[split mortar]

Guy can teleport and open distortion portals (replicates dog and signus) so i imagine quickly

[timber glacier]

Well since it probs wouldn’t be perfect ascension he wouldn’t probably keep the reviving thing

[eager bluff]

yharim would be dead so no actually

[raven brook]

iim sorry no matter how livid and mourning he is

[agile matrix]

he has business to do

[agile matrix]

if its not within 10 years !

[raven brook]

yharim is like an ant compared to the 500 perfectly yharon ascended draedon drones

[eager bluff]

he would get auric rejected by his own armor

[split mortar]

Yeah

[visual kiln]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cats-banging-1--k01KQ3XZVZH2FDT23NRJBSNKRQ4

draedon rn

oh

[agile matrix]

no i mean the ant AND the these ascended drones

[split mortar]

[eager bluff]

he would explode the instant draedon ascended his ass cant do SHIT

[raven brook]

actually yeah 😭 hed just die instantly

[agile matrix]

didnt he like

[split mortar]

Yharim imploding soon as draedon becomes the god of transitions or smth

[agile matrix]

attune kinda

[raven brook]

yeah he attuned which is why he can use auric armor

[agile matrix]

like his and yharons souls became one

[raven brook]

but the moment yharon is dead he ain't attuned naymore

[agile matrix]

does that mean yharim is under the command of Draedon

[raven brook]

so he gets auric armor springtrapped

[eager bluff]

hes attuned but that attunement relies on yharon

[raven brook]

that is

not how attunement works

[split mortar]

What

[agile matrix]

im foreign on it so im relying on yall

[eager bluff]

without yharon the attunement breaks and yharim explodes

[raven brook]

yharim and yharon are not under the "command" of eachother nor are they souls literally bonded as in, if you hur yharon you aslo hurt yharim or vice versa

i mean,

if that was the case

dont you think yharim would be dead becasue you killed yharon

[agile matrix]

nah cause yharon isnt dead

[agile matrix]

he's just ash for a bit

[raven brook]

attunement is a magical link of sorts that's tied to their souls but it isn't a literal, they share eachother's souls moment

[eager bluff]

in this hypothetical he is

because draedon ate his soul

[raven brook]

i'm nto talking about the hypothetical

[timber glacier]

Do we know that would be how it works that it would instantly occur or if like the new god would have to like de-attune aince the yharon soul is in some regard still there

[raven brook]

because yharon is in fact dead and he got injured in the fight

he rebirths, sure

[agile matrix]

isnt the soul still there? or is it gone bc ascension

[raven brook]

but assuming they have a soul link that makes them share their damage or w/e, for all intents and purposes yharon got severely injured and then died

so if that was the case yharim would have died the moment we killed yharon

[split mortar]

Gone due to ascension otherwise yharon can rebirth dragons from other gods

[raven brook]

and that's not how attunement works

[eager bluff]

attunement doesnt turn you into hitbox and hitbox from hit box game the binding of isaac

[timber glacier]

The attunement doesn’t really seem to suggest like one getting hurt hurts the other because like how would that possibly work

[raven brook]

i hate those mfs

wrost character in the game brah

[split mortar]

Binding of inding repinding

Yharim vs me

[timber glacier]

Also would identical twins (not the boss i mean kids which were born on the same day) also have like near-identical souls now that I think about it due to how they are born

[agile matrix]

here's what i'm mentally thinking. its probably wrong but this is my idea

[eager bluff]

no because your soul isnt something really tied to your birth

[noble falcon]

I mean the twins both drop souls of sight so I guess yeah