lore-discussion

[timber glacier]

Like did siIva like kill a dragon to get its soul or did it like let her do it or what happened there

[leaden bridge]

I swear i heard somewhere silva did actually not ascend consensually

[timber glacier]

I’d assume that silva (who is the nature elemental or something) wouldn’t really have much reason to want the dragon of life to be gone so like I’d assume it wouldn’t be for her own gain, so I’d assume the circumstances were different than most gods killing a dragon to become stronger

[raven brook]

I think youd dtill feel guilt having to kill your friend even knowing you had a valid reason to

Provi definitely not she seems to have hated flame dragon's ass

Xeroc unclear but i'd say likely

[bronze lynx]

what if delicious meat is actually just dragon flesh without any auric properties remaining and that's why it's delicious

[raven brook]

I think it's Delicious.

[timber glacier]

Well there is old duke whos a (non-auric) dragon descendant, so that kind of suggests that pigs are descended from dragons in calamity, especially through pigrons who are also dragon descendants

So it being bacon could make that kinda true

Also I do wonder what were the circumstances behind Ontonilou and Tyrian getting their hands on auric souls to ascend with (also is Tyrian still alive or is he dead cos like he is stated to be nowhere to be seen during the destruction of Ilmeris in the lore doc)

[hoary cape]

old duke is being eradicated iirc for something else

[light linden]

no?

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like pigrons will still be dragon descendants still

[light linden]

he's just having a sprite and fight rework

[timber glacier]

Won’t it basically be entirely redone, so hes not really even going to be a “fishron” anymore

[hoary cape]

that's what has been implied that it's basically being replaced with how much being changed

[light linden]

the character and lore will be the same

just he won't be a fishron side grade in terms of appearance and fight

[leaden bridge]

No the character very much is changing it's the point?

[timber glacier]

Isn’t it still going to be old racist non-auric dragon

[leaden bridge]

Like he'll keep being a dragon and probably also piggish but like

[light linden]

I think you're thinking of a different definition of character

[leaden bridge]

This isn't a character he is so i wouldn't really say "still"

[light linden]

he will still be a boomer

[magic epoch]

I remember hearing that xeroc might also feel remorse due to unintentionally causing the hunting of the auric dragons

[sacred pilot]

It's possible.

Zeratros and Xeroc from what I understand are genuinely friends.

Xeroc is one of the few people who know of threats outside Terraria, namely the Distortion. They've dedicated their entire life to fighting it after Fovos destroyed the Dragons.

[pulsar ocean]

why

[sacred pilot]

Wdym why?

[trim edge]

when we defeat calamitas her arena shrinks to minimum size, meaning she was actively keeping it larger throughout the fight to let us win on purpose

[timber glacier]

Why doesn’t she place the brimstone hearts outside the arena? Is she stupid?

[feral skiff]

what if she just killed us and sent our soul to the fiery depths of the underworld

or even worse.. what if calamitas made the Terrarian play League of Legends

[timber glacier]

Why doesn’t yharon just use a recall potion before dying is he stupid

[foggy fern]

Genuine question is Chrysadia EVER mentioned anywhere in game outside of Storm Weaver's lore item

[sinful adder]

Yes

Don't think so

[foggy fern]

That is a little ridiculous

The average lore item reading experience for most people will just be "What the fuck is X" over and over and over because there's never elaboration

Like it's seldom explained who Zeratros even is in his dedicated items

The most you get is "king of dragons"

and I just straight up never heard of Chrysadia until literally now

Like dude the first mention you'd get of Statis is through Signus' lore item where it casually namedrops him, expecting you to already know who he is, before IMMEDIATELY moving on to talk about Braelor

They just throw the name Statis at you and proceed not to elaborate

This fucking lore item mentions both the Onyx Kinsmen and Statis for the first time in the entire mod and doesn't even say Statis IS a member

I cannot stress this enough the casual player's first exposure to Statis is through the sentence
"Statis' compatriot Braelor-"

[split mortar]

Insert calamity unfinished image here

[foggy fern]

All you'd have to do here to make it better is just put like
"One of the kinsmen, Statis' compatriot Braelor"

That is the bare minimum of elaboration

To similar effect have it say like
"Chrysadia, the old sky civilisation" or something to that effect

Dont just name drop Chrysadia like that cause my first thought was WHO is Chrysadia not WHAT

[pulsar ocean]

calamity has a lot of similarities with terraria

[raven brook]

Ideally you don't want to just dump all the important lore into infodump items that exist to infodump

When the sky stuff arrives like the clouded acropolis or whatever that'd be the best time toa ctually include chrysadia lore

just adding more random mentions of it to lore items will not fix the lack of information regarding to it as it will just be adding to the poor lore implementation calamity has and is actively trying to fix

tl;dr

[raven brook]

yeah lo

[eternal veldt]

Are the bots supposed to be a pushover? I get that they are like a early game materials. But i feel like their lore just feels like it's there just because and doesn't really impact the story in any way?

[sinful adder]

They are

However, this isn't an interesting story

Like I said earlier, I think all of Wulfrum should be retired to be immediately after WoF, right at the beginning of hardmode

[eternal veldt]

Real

Could have had more potential though don't you think?

Or could just be me

[latent bolt]

I like to think that the early game wulfrum stuff is severely outdated compared to what the rebels now use

[eternal veldt]

The rebels are gone 🥀

[latent bolt]

That too

[eternal veldt]

Honestly i would find it interesting to have another character that could rival draedon in potential with machines. But then i realized that's just the terrarian

[raven brook]

I think this impacts gameplay alittle weirdly

[sinful adder]

I think it's fine. Early game terraria is actually fun if you get used to it and know which things to use

[raven brook]

thats not my issue

[sinful adder]

Oh?

[raven brook]

i just think its weird ot retier a entires et of items that is verym uch designed to be earlygame to early hardmode specially when theres so much stuff going in early hardmode already, not to mention the fact wulfrum has alot of earlygame utility items that just dont make sense to be in hardmode

i dont think screwing gameplay over for the sake of lore is a good idea

[sinful adder]

Hmm

Yeah I guess I can see it

[raven brook]

ive said this before but i think a good way to address the fact wulfrums being rebel machines yet being so laughably weak is instead to just lean into a more utiltarian side of them

[eternal veldt]

What do you meant by retire though?

[young socket]

treasure pinger in early hm 🥹

[raven brook]

they can still be machines built by rebel forces

[sinful adder]

I think the utility could be made to work in hardmode, but it might be. Better to not

[raven brook]

but instead of them all being made with the intent of combat, they couldve been made for al sorts of purposes to help the rebels in their affairs

mining robots

moving robots that act as beasts of burden or transport drones

robots designed to chop trees and clear area

[eternal veldt]

Tbh like i said they could have been a swarm bots

[raven brook]

and then there could still be a few more combat-focused ones that acted like bodyguards per example

[sinful adder]

Side note before I forget: it's really weird for someone to have been able to build draedon almost a thousand years ago, but then no one else is able to even come close to that kind of achievement in the years after that

[split mortar]

So the reason wulfrum is piss shit weak is that they are mostly designed for other purposes is what you suggesting?

[raven brook]

tbf i think draedon a thousand years ago or w/e wouldnt be as technologically impressive as anything he has made today

[sinful adder]

I think it's a little hard to believe, and so people in the lore should make other sentient machines

[raven brook]

if you believe hes a consciousness transfer then i think its entirely plausible for other beings to have done similar things and nothings explicitly saying they couldnt have

[sinful adder]

Creating a sentient machine capable of self improvement is an achievement comparable to draedon's current feats already

[raven brook]

generally dont treat lack of evidence as evidence of lacking or w/hatever the saying is

something i see people here do alot, same happened with stars

we do not see this ingame so it dosent exist

[sinful adder]

It explicitly can't be a consciousness transfer because a consciousness isn't really anything without memories to go with it

[eternal veldt]

Beastiary though i think i read somewhere that majority of them were more focused on combat

[raven brook]

im not suggesting a reason why theyre weak

[sinful adder]

In order to transfer a consciousness, you either need a particular kind of magic, or a physical body capable of replicating a brain

[raven brook]

im suggesting a way to change them that i think would make them being weak make alot more sense

[raven brook]

bith are things you can have in the fantasy setting of calamity mod for hit game terraria

[split mortar]

Im on about cheeses proposal not what is in game rn

[raven brook]

all of the wulfrusm right now are generally indistinct in their functionality and their design dosent really express any sort of unique adaptabilities for doing certain things

[eternal veldt]

Or we could just make them a swarm bots but most of them got destroyed. Being weak doesn't mean jack shi when one dies 20 takes it's place

[raven brook]

theyre all just shapes

[sinful adder]

I'm not arguing you can't. I am however arguing that if some random scientist a thousand years ago could do it, then why don't we see things like that far more often?

[eternal veldt]

Jungle bats still scare me to this day

[raven brook]

he probably would've had resources and expertise nto many people have today

[sinful adder]

In other words. We should see more robots

[raven brook]

scientists irl discover things all the time. it dosent mean a bunch of random johns also would

specially if you consider draedon did not publicize how he did it

i'm sure someone could've found ways to do similar things at some point but i dont think we "should" see a bunch of people going around in robot bodies necessarily

[sinful adder]

No actually scientists irl literally always, ALWAYS work in groups and have lots of different people working on the same kinds of things independently, even when there is little communication between them

[raven brook]

yeah but draedon didn't do that until later

[sinful adder]

I think we should see at least a few other sentient robots

[raven brook]

that is like a explicit part of his characterization

[young socket]

i wonder how many people forget that earth elemental technically is a robot

[sinful adder]

A thousand years is a long time

[raven brook]

i dont forget i just dont gaf

who cares about earth elemental bruh

[eternal veldt]

Golem :3

[raven brook]

bum ass enemy

[young socket]

true golem also exists

[raven brook]

i hate you earth elemental

[sinful adder]

Earth elemental should be removed (see my suggestion)

[raven brook]

if you were still a horse youd be cool

[young socket]

robots exist and you cant really deny that

[timber glacier]

Don’t hate on hime hes trying his best

[raven brook]

he shouldve kept being ahorse then hed be awesome

[sinful adder]

Earth elemental and golem show little to no indication of sapience so I'm not counting them

[eternal veldt]

HEYYY the pike carried me through all mech bosses with only gel armor 😠

[split mortar]

I think draedon being the only tech from that long ago being so advanced is an intentional choice

[sinful adder]

They're like. They might as well be the Wulfrum guys again

[raven brook]

cyborg

[young socket]

sapience is entirely different from sentience but ok

[eternal veldt]

Agreed it's something like an ancient weapon or magic type of shi

[raven brook]

they also dont show signs of sentience either

theres nothing indicating they are sentient or not

[sinful adder]

I think it implies that something fucky is going on and there was something really unusual about the circumstances that led to draedon's creation

Actually, crack theory

Draedon was built by a god of engineering or knowledge or something

[raven brook]

me when everything ever is dragons and gods and yharim

[eternal veldt]

Wouldn't it be better to have wulfrum represent modern technology though? A fast produced machines that isn't built to be perfect but replacable?

[raven brook]

tying draedon to gods would be an awful idea im sorry

[sinful adder]

Or with some kind of divine knowledge allowing far more advanced tech

[young socket]

yea the fucky thing being some guy was thousands of times smarter than anyone else existed a thousand years ago and dedicated most his life tona sentient robot project

[sinful adder]

I guess

[raven brook]

if the terrarian gets crazy strong (in theory) without any sor of divine influence or higher power, no reason why some scinetist couldn't make a really cool robot with the right resources, time and dedication

[sinful adder]

I still think that even in that case, there should be a handful of other sentient or sapient robots in the centuries after

[raven brook]

there can be, we see the cyborg

[young socket]

like its fantasy. the same way yharim can be brushed off as "hes fantastically powerful", draedons creation can be brushed off as "someone was fantastically smart"

[sinful adder]

Is the cyborg a cyborg or an android

[raven brook]

will we get more? idk, but if we don't, you can still assume they exist

[eternal veldt]

The terrarian is an odd hole on the lore though but draedon did say that they were similar

[raven brook]

the beautiful world of headcanons and the fact you only explore a single continent's always there for your imagination to go wild

[sinful adder]

Ok yeah to be clear I don't have a problem with someone being incredibly smart, I have a problem with there only ever being a single incredibly smart guy and such a huge gap between them and everyone else

[raven brook]

cyborg is again a good example because that guy is pretty damn technologically advanced. alot of the weapons you make or find are too, aswell as the mechanic, steampunker and so on

[sinful adder]

So that's why I'm gonna write some sapient robot characters someday

[split mortar]

Oh yeah what the fuck does “almost as alien as i am” or whatever draedon says to describe the terrarian even mean since draedon is from this planet is that outdated dialogue i forgot if it was boss talk or draetalk

[raven brook]

clentaminator was invented by the steampunker

its a very impressive technology

[raven brook]

alien dosent have to be literal

[timber glacier]

Mechanic also made teleporters so shes also very technologically skilled

[eternal veldt]

Lol i think he meant we have no idea about the land

[raven brook]

hes just saying both you and him are abnormal and one of a kind individuals

thus making you "alien" compared to the average person

[robust osprey]

your terrarian can be. a robot

[raven brook]

oh damn invincible s4 finale came out

[eternal veldt]

Goblin thinkerer for some reason can work around the shi you bring to him so that's that

[raven brook]

alot fo the technological stuff calamity adds is unfortunately like 90% tied to draedon except for the gear the player makes and wulfrum stuff

but on the bright side

most of the vanilla stuff is still unconnected

so you can look at that for signs of technologically advancements outside of just draeodn shenanigans

[timber glacier]

Also the martians are also insanely technologically advanced

[split mortar]

Idk that just feels
Underwhelming and prob not the case to me
Though it does fit with terrarian is you so ig it fits best over other assumptions

[raven brook]

i think its a very obvious metaphor lol

its not literal as in you come from another planet zeep zorp

draedon achieved heights in technology nobody before him did

[eternal veldt]

Btw idk if you are allowed to talk about this. But does the devs plan to rework current contents more or will they ever move on to continue with the main story?

[raven brook]

you achieved heights in your power and feats that nobody else did, atleast not in such a short time

[raven brook]

you're basically asking if the mod is being updated

which, yes

it is

there will be more content reworked and the story itself is highly unfinished due to lack of content needed to support it

[split mortar]

Yharim and wgatever is after him will only be done once everything else is up to standard still afaik

[raven brook]

yep

mod's old

[eternal veldt]

Ohh so they will rework some stuff first before moving on with the story

[raven brook]

no

[split mortar]

Rework basically everything

[eternal veldt]

RIP

Well i guess they should since moonlord is a massive pushover LMAO

[split mortar]

Almost every boss is planned to be near unrecognisable to what they are rn iirc

[raven brook]

Calamity content is largely outdated and not really up to the standards the developers want it to be, so expect alot of reworks to biomes, bosses, npcs, aswell as plenty of new content. This will allow the story itself to be expanded as the expansions of the story rely on this new and reworked content

Yharim himself as the final boss is only going to be added after the rest of the mod is on a satisfactory state

[eternal veldt]

Like i get he's supposed to be a shell but i can compare him to wulfrum enemies from that point of the game 🙏

[raven brook]

You will get lore in actually immersive ways nad not just through text infodumps on a item after you killa boss

[eternal veldt]

🙏

[split mortar]

Yhrock phone

[raven brook]

the stone phone

[eternal veldt]

Wish the whispers don't get removed though

[raven brook]

they aren't, sorta

the content of the whispers is still valuable as a way to characterize yharim

[split mortar]

Replaced with the yhrock

[eternal veldt]

Yeah and the fact he wants us to recruit us too 🙏

[young socket]

theyre going to be changed so they arent restricted to after bosses and will be a single item instead

[raven brook]

they will likely get tweaks and there are plans to move the mover to a dedicated item that is a sending stone you can find in the surface somewhere (?) that yharim will use to communicate with you

this allows the messages to be sent not only after you kill a boss but also during events like meeting npcs, first entering a biome, etc

[split mortar]

How would the sending stone taste

[eternal veldt]

Something like the disc in stars above?

[raven brook]

Do note this isnt set in stone and is just some plans devs have right now

[young socket]

plus there will probably be a few new ones and some being moved to obtained earlier (as yharim will talk about a topic if u visit it)

[young socket]

kinda yea

[eternal veldt]

Are morality paths ever planned to be more immersive or will it stay linear?

[raven brook]

maybe

[split mortar]

Idk how much could be done for morality paths

Atleast with how things are rn

[eternal veldt]

Well it could be as simple as avoiding to kill certain side bosses and such

[young socket]

i hope they dont cuz the only other mod that does that is. well lets just say that its made me think stuff like that should never be introduced into terraria

[eternal veldt]

LMAO pacifist mod?

[young socket]

no

mod of redemption

[eternal veldt]

Tf is that?

Explain?

[young socket]

another large scale content mod

[eternal veldt]

Why are you against it though?

[young socket]

unnecessary locks, explanations not done well, few story changes, sometimes you need to do the most random shit to gain positive morality but its also easy to lose it

its just made really poorly

[eternal veldt]

Soo you're saying that it has potential?

[split mortar]

MoR is also much more built around morality paths then calamity so i doubt cal would be able ti do a morality path as good without adding 5 years to the dev time

[young socket]

lots of things have potential, but few can actually achieve it

[eternal veldt]

To be honest i don't want it to be one of the main gimmicks in cal but rather just have different dialogue and how people treats you in the game. It could impact the gameplay a bit by making something like scal or yharon fight a bit easier depending on your morality

[split mortar]

If it just affects dialogue slightly then thats not really a morality path

[eternal veldt]

Hmm i guess you are right

[wanton pendant]

Also there are only like, a couple of bosses you could argue would influence a morality mechanic.
Unless you just say killing anything that is objectively bad gives you good karma in which case it would be really hard to be evil considering what you're up against.

[half quarry]

i think a morality path with terraria wouldn't really work though

[raven brook]

a morality path full multiple route sstyle would be pretty weird

but i dont mind a few choices here and there

ex: spare or kill x boss

they affect your gameplay going forward but dont contribute to some greater reputation system or anything

bc yeah i think thatd be kinda weird to excecute in terraria

[wanton pendant]

Let us save Calamitas Clone, cowards!

[sturdy cave]

Ain't nobody want that lab generated slop

(Joking)

[eternal veldt]

Honestly i want slime god to just chill in my town :3

[dusk laurel]

i want to kill slime god

[eternal veldt]

Bet yer a dragon lover too now ain't ya!!

[dusk laurel]

sg slander confused for god slander

[split mortar]

Slimegod is the most slanderable god i think

[dusk laurel]

the slander will continue until sg is remade 🙂‍↕️

and we get more characterization

[split mortar]

True

[dusk laurel]

honestly purified gel should be shot because sg can already drop the weapons and the armor could just not be made of goo and be from like an onyx kinsman

mr breast

give me money

[dusk laurel]

an armor either found thru exploration or from a quest reward instead of being made from material numero 28

[eternal veldt]

Should be a king slime drop 🙏

[dusk laurel]

bombs you

💣

[eternal veldt]

HEYYY king slime has a kinsman inside it >: (

[dusk laurel]

that kinsman already drops armor smh

[eternal veldt]

Not good enough 🙏

[dusk laurel]

bombs you again

[eternal veldt]

Yk we could just make the statigel an upgraded version of ninja?

🙏

[dusk laurel]

horrible

king slime is only good for one thing and its the sludge slap

[eternal veldt]

Nuhh uhh i get the cool pet slime early 😄

Really good for early pylons

[dusk laurel]

hoax

[noble falcon]

Literally town slime broski
Gotta have those

[dusk laurel]

fake news

[limpid saddle]

beautiful chuds are here

[noble falcon]

Bug (green) and bug (metal)

[mighty zenith]

omg kabbu hii

[light linden]

random but what tier do y'all think a martian boss would be?

[magic epoch]

post golem makes too much sense

[zenith geode]

post exos scal pre yhargle

they absorbed the martian world soul

[light linden]

my guess is around the profaned guardians

[magic epoch]

what tier would son of yharon akato be in

[wanton pendant]

Uh, like, able to pick up a guy tier.

And like, a really strong child could do that, so put it in child tier.

[robust osprey]

so wwg tier

got it

[dusk laurel]

✅

[wanton pendant]

You will be escargot.

[stark flame]

How many Exo Mechs could Draedon produce in about a century?

[noble falcon]

Hard to say since we don’t know the materials in their crafting recipe

I can only assume Draedon has a farm setup and a ton of Zerg potions to get what he needs though so probably a lot

[stark flame]

How long did it take Draedon to build the Exo Mechs in the backstory?

[dusk laurel]

he made them in like half a year iirc

exos are predominantly made with a cosmilite alloy thing and well exo prisms

[stark flame]

Did it only take half a year? Then Draedon could mass-produce the Exo Mechs if he wanted to.

Disregarding resource constraints

[split mortar]

We do not know for we only know the timeframe on exo mechs who were designed from the ground up and not mass produced

Or well vague outline for the exos designed from ground up

[stark flame]

He’s already built them once, so it should be easier the second time around.

[light linden]

it's possible that he could but there're two things that might limit it

[wanton pendant]

Since the goal of the Exo Mechs is to be the ultimate fighting machines and he wishes to obtain data to improve them, it wouldn't make sense to make a legion of identical ones, he'd rather find flaws and correct them for the next version.

[light linden]

we do not know how much cosmilite he can access and we don't know how fast he can make exo prisms

cosmilite is likely the limiting factor

[leaden bridge]

assuming he has infinite materials he could make exactly 314,245,535 copies of the fabricational quartet

[limpid saddle]

Thank you for knowing ball garbo

[mighty zenith]

i love bug fables

i desire more paper mario fangames

[agile matrix]

idk we get into the ship of theseus atp

are you referring to the current, failed, creations or the hypothetical prime exos

[light linden]

I still hope that if the future bosses ever come back in some form we get to see what torment nexus shit draedon will make in like 100 years

also I am genuinely curious what yharon will be doing in 100 years

half expecting him to just

sit in the aerie for a few decades

[pulsar ocean]

why doesnt yharon just give up his soul for yharim to ascend and achieve his goal and then kill himself

[light linden]

it'd effectively nuke yharim's credibility for one

[pulsar ocean]

why would yharim need any if he's gonna be close to xeroc

[light linden]

also something I've been wondering

does yharim know that the sun was hotter back during zeratros's reign?

[feral skiff]

Yharim would be dead

yharim fight 100 years later would be fighting a skeleton

[pulsar ocean]

i wonder if we would have any chances of defeating yharim if he actually ascended via's yharon's soul

[feral skiff]

it depends. perfect ascension or non-perfect?

[pulsar ocean]

perfect

[feral skiff]

if it’s a perfect ascension like the Xeroc and Silva one, we are not winning

cause uh.. he’s already strong. and imagine that but 5x stronger

[light linden]

I did not say yharim

[pulsar ocean]

i wonder how long it would take for god yharim to respawn

[limpid saddle]

He'd probably say some shit like "The Draconic Era was one defined by a brilliant endurance, the sun shone brighter & flowers bloomed devoutly as if in reverence, it is only natural that the Traitor Almighty could not uphold it's true splendour" or deny it completely

[light linden]

I mean

I doubt that many plants were on the surface at all

[pulsar ocean]

did auric dragons age
did yharon even serve any purpose before xxdragonslayer3000xx came

[light linden]

from what I understand it'd be way too hostile of a place for life on a large scale

[limpid saddle]

yes i wrote it in the context of him being agenda man

[light linden]

oh ik

there'd probably be something like the hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor but on the surface

or oasis towns in large deserts

[limpid saddle]

he doesnt know shit about what it was like other than Yharon's uber nostalgia goggled lenses

[light linden]

actually

that might've also been part of what the giant trees served as

said oasises

the large tree cover might've kept smaller plants from being roasted by the sun

they're also only found in very green areas like forests and jungles

[west plume]

auric dragons might have aged sometimes, i think it depends on the domain. they died of regular old bullshit and from being attacked sometimes and yharon's job was to make sure that all of that was totally meaningless

so if you decided 'my family has been living in caves for the past 1,000 years i think i will become a warrior and then stab the nearest dragon in the throat' yharon just revives that dragon and then they skin you alive

[untold forge]

Damn but what if I like my skin 🤔

[west plume]

don't piss off a dragon :p

i don't want my skin peeled from the seams by a 200 ton dragon's sharp talons says person who wants to kill zeratros :////

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt humans back in the day war molten armor or drink obsidian skin potions to not get burned alive by the sun

[trim edge]

what did the dragon of death even do if things can still die after it's long gone

[west plume]

dragons dont own their domains

[split mortar]

Dragons are not their literal concepts or whatever
Fire exists after flame died, storms exist after vetrasyl died, minds exist after mind got eaten

[long bloom]

did zaelithar kill any dragons before being banished?

[spare pier]

You aren't getting your hands on those things so easily

[long bloom]

yeah i guess you couldn't really get waterleaf

surely people were able to mine some hellstone though

given how there's hellforges everywhere

[wanton pendant]

Lava Charm, obviously.

[long bloom]

true

[light linden]

random thought

did anyone ever live in the aerie that aren't dragons?

[wanton pendant]

Dragons did.

[magic epoch]

yharim

[wanton pendant]

And I think they'd probably be too racist to have any permanent residents other than them.
Except Yharim, of course.

[agile matrix]

yharims a special case since the only dragon who has a valuable say is the one who saved his life

[wanton pendant]

The only dragon with a say.

Since, you know. They're all dead.

[young socket]

monks

[agile matrix]

the auric dragons are all dead, not all the dragons

[wanton pendant]

Regular dragons never had a say either.

[young socket]

i mean xeroc was literally at zeratros' resting place, which is the grave of light, which is in the aerie

[agile matrix]

yeah i know thats why i said "only dragon who has a valuable say"

[agile matrix]

i like to think he snuck in or was invited in by zeratros

[wanton pendant]

That only proves he was there, not that he was Zeratros' roommate.

Maybe Xeroc had to sleep on the Auric Couch.

[split mortar]

Its the monk of bloody zeratros if anyone is to stay permanently its gonna be xeroc

[wanton pendant]

He probably did, to be fair.

But it's funny to imagine the Auric Couch.

[noble falcon]

Me placing the codebreaker and altar of the accursed in the Yharim arena part of the aerie and hitting him with the Calamity Mod Blaster

[west plume]

nuh uh uh. AURIC dragons did

i think auric dragons and very occasionally some attunees who were useful

[wanton pendant]

I will butcher you whole.

[west plume]

Yharon watching Vetrasyl try to sneak a wyvern in

[dusk laurel]

pensive

[cosmic zenith]

Yharon going like

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-the-rock-eyebrow-gif-22322634

[wanton pendant]

Implying that those FILTHY offshoots have any right to call themselves dragons!
-This post was made by Yharon's social media team.

[west plume]

(picture of yharon on a draetech computer)

[light linden]

hey stip?

[cosmic zenith]

?

[light linden]

are you familiar with cephalon simaris from warframe?

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

[light linden]

aw

Dude is basically draedon with a pinch of DC brainiac

literal quotes from him

"Hunter, do you think me a sadist? That I enjoy this suffering? Irrelevant! Focus on your task."
"Is experiment torture? Lab rats also feel pain, yet their suffering creates knowledge. If the lessons learned today save lives in the future, then the ends justify my means."
"Do you ever wonder why only the Hunter is rewarded when it is the specimen who gives all to the Sanctuary? I find it best to discard such thoughts."

[magic epoch]

at first i thought this was AM, then read further and concluded it was Five Pebbles, then i looked up and boy was i wrong

[sinful adder]

Draedon should be more like pebbles

Especially in the future after I throw the astral rot at him

[noble falcon]

draedon should eat fruity pebbles i think

or would he be more of a count chocula guy

[sinful adder]

Instead of crafting a dragon fruit we should cook and eat a yharon leg

🍗

[noble falcon]

it'd take you a full in-game day to finish

[eternal veldt]

What if xeroc carved the aerie stone before he ascended?

[sinful adder]

Huh

[eternal veldt]

The shi he gave us

[long bloom]

you'll never guess what the burning sky is

[sinful adder]

Its too spindly to be a full leg

It would have to be like. The leftover bones

Side note, the burning sky is a joke that has outstayed its welcome

[leaden bridge]

Nope it needs a stealth strike and tp benefit from tag damage

Calamity endgame is kind of joke because of the really sad state it'll be in for a long while anyway so a non serious yharon drop is kind of whatever

[sinful adder]

See, it doesn't have to suck

This is a consistent issue calamity devs have

[leaden bridge]

It goes way beyond burning sky is the thing

So it's whatever

[sinful adder]

They refuse to take some really simple steps to improve the mod temporarily because they have ideas they may or may not implement like 5 years from now

And we can't make suggestions about it because it's a "future content suggestion"

[leaden bridge]

see I don't think this improves the game in any real way though

[sinful adder]

And as a result, some content just sits rotting for 5 years

[leaden bridge]

Making burning sky a Serious Weapon is meaningless because like

It'll sit rotting for 5 years anywayd

[sinful adder]

I don't mean make it serious. I mean kill it

[long bloom]

if it was like astral's end it'd be peak

[leaden bridge]

You could do that i guess but i think calamity should take the path of most hilarity

They should go with whatever is funnier

[plucky juniper]

okay in that case they should make a lava chicken broth weapon instead

[sinful adder]

Is yharon the lava chicken

[plucky juniper]

WAIT

FABLES APPARENTLY REFERENCES THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE LAVA CHICKEN BROTH

[eternal veldt]

Is moonlord supposed to be a pushover?

[noble falcon]

Upgrade to the cauldron
Has reduced mana cost for each tier of food buff you’re at

[plucky juniper]

🔥

[eternal veldt]

Yo is the moonlord supposed to be a pushover or did the devs mess something up?

[sinful adder]

?

why are you asking me

[feral skiff]

He's the Lord of the Moon, why would he be?

that's why they call him the.. Moon Lord

[split mortar]

Moonlord is meant to be equally as hard as any boss its tier afaik

[eternal veldt]

Why does he suck 😭

[split mortar]

Afaik calamity changes like barely anything of moonlord so uh
Vanilla boss that sucks

[languid badge]

because its moon lord

moon lord always sucks

[eternal veldt]

Fair

[eternal veldt]

You know what that means my dear developer

REWORK TIME!!!

[split mortar]

Why is critaquil now with the dev role 😭

[eternal veldt]

For someone that nearly wiped the dragons even if it's a shadow of it's former self to be a massive joke gotta be hilarious

[languid badge]

idk why do people usually have that role

[light moth]

His eyes cant shoot the lasers tho

It’s understandable, as I still have no idea how to dodge it along with ML’s laser

But at the same time, ML became infinitely easier because of its removal
Infernum made him justice

[stark flame]

Does Archmage Permafrost know other kinds of magic? Besides ice magic, what is he best at?

[split mortar]

1. Permafrost taught scal and so yeah he is good at other magic as well
2. Its obvious what permafrost is best at

[hollow pivot]

He's the best regular* wizard in Terraria so he probably knows a wide variety of magic.

[mighty zenith]

blackmail

[scenic kraken]

Am I the only one that sees Permafrost as like

Gojo-?

Like the sprite lowkey looks like Gojo

[agile matrix]

can i get a reference between gojo and permafrost

i dont see it

[scenic kraken]

Idk slightly

Maybe I'm too brainrotted...

[eternal veldt]

Is it morally acceptable having both permafrost, amidias and calamitas in my arena for extra funny DPS?

[scenic kraken]

Why not

Sure as hell Calamitas won't die lmao

Which, another funny question

Did we beat her ass so damn much that she is now on an almost empty tank, or did she pull a "TIME OUT! TIME OUT!" On us

I always viewed it as "I'm drained as fuck, if he keeps going I'm TOAST"

[mighty zenith]

her dialogue is outdated, once it's rewritten it will reflect her intentions better

[scenic kraken]

Oh wait y'all revamping Calamitas 👁️👁️

[mighty zenith]

but the reason she stops the fight is because she realizes that she made a mistake in attacking us, thinking we're like yharim

[scenic kraken]

Ohhhhh

[mighty zenith]

she's not that high on the priority list, but her fight and npc dialogue doesnt fit her current characterization

[scenic kraken]

I see

Which speaking of characterization

What is her Personality like?

Cause I seen THOUSANDS of takes on her

[mighty zenith]

She's mostly just. a girl really

she's seen as a terrifying presence in the world because of her power and previous position

but in reality she's really just a troubled person with a lot of baggage to deal with

[scenic kraken]

And now I can imagine her doing the conquest "I'm so lonely" speech while brutalizing the Terrarian

(or atleast attempting to)

[mighty zenith]

sure, except unlike conquest she's not a psychopath

she does have the mass murderer part down at least

except, yknow, she regrets it

[scenic kraken]

So which one burned down the Brimstone Crag after all

Her or the Elemental?

[sinful adder]

Both

[mighty zenith]

brimmy started it, but calamitas fighting back is what lead to the destruction

so yea both

[scenic kraken]

Cave story

[sinful adder]

Yeah

[scenic kraken]

Oh dear, she didn't listen to the "Let's go to somewhere more isolated, so we don't hurt anyone" rule of fights and just Superman'd it

[mighty zenith]

no i'd blame brimmy on that one

she was destroying the city and killing people

calamitas was trying to defend herself but she just got her powers right at that moment pretty much

she wasnt in control

[scenic kraken]

Oh dear

It's like that one scene in Hellboy

(the first movie)

[mighty zenith]

mmm been years since i watched hellboy

[scenic kraken]

The fire chick's powers freaking out and blowing up the town in the flashback

[mighty zenith]

oh yeah

[scenic kraken]

Similar?

[mighty zenith]

pretty similar yeah

[scenic kraken]

The question is

Can she make a grilled cheese?

[mighty zenith]

probably

[scenic kraken]

Probably gonna taste like brimstone

But hey, she tried

[agile matrix]

okay i can kinda see it

[split mortar]

Apart from the spiky white hair not really

Posting permadrip cause i wanna and its slightly relevant

[wanton pendant]

I like how he has ice sunglasses made of ice.

[scenic kraken]

He's lowkey chill like that

...pun not intended

Imagine if Calamitas had a South american accent

Or hell, even spanish

[wanton pendant]

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

She probably would sound Spanish.

[wheat walrus]

p

[scenic kraken]

No :D

[split mortar]

azafure probably is quite spanish iirc

[robust osprey]

yeah

so she probably maybe does

[topaz viper]

12 countries

pick 1

[scenic kraken]

Brazil idk

[topaz viper]

that’s like

the only non-Hispanic one

good choice though, I’m definitely unbiased 🇧🇷

[topaz viper]

nvm there are two more

but i rest my case

[lucid wigeon]

Portuguese

[late veldt]

I love permadrip

[shrewd stream]

hello there

interesting conversation, the possibility of azafurians speaking spanish... but which one

just because im puerto rican, i say they speak puerto rican spanish.... wait no that doesnt make sense, why would people living in hell speak in a carribean accent?

[light linden]

illmeris is supposedly italian so

[shrewd stream]

wait really? XD

[light linden]

yes

[leaden bridge]

Fascinating

[shrewd stream]

ok i was pondering to choose between peruvian and colombian, but i remembered, azafure was an industrialized society, i think i should go with argentina

[agile matrix]

how italian is italian

[shrewd stream]

... or maybe just for the funni, chile

[agile matrix]

is it stereotypic or is it roman-inspired

[shrewd stream]

ilmeris people are so un-roman, they never expanded away from their borders

[light linden]

tbf

they kinda couldn't easily

ignoring the whole aquatic life thing, they'd have to carve out tunnels to go in most directions and even then would risk flooding wherever they invaded

[raven brook]

Since when?

[light linden]

I swear I remember it being said to be basically italy

[raven brook]

The only connection between illmeris and italy i know of is people joking about calamitas blowing up italy in reference to illmeris's incineration

[zenith geode]

wasnt italy used as a size comparison and that was it or smth

[raven brook]

yeah i think thats it

[zenith geode]

both italy and portugal

[shrewd stream]

..., ilmeris is that big?

[raven brook]

:idk:

[zenith geode]

iirc it got specified down to like two and a half portugals (take this with like 40 kilos of salt)

[raven brook]

we aint gonna see how big in relation to real life countries illmeris is ingame so idt it matters

[trim edge]

the size comes from the third dimension we can't see

[shrewd stream]

the background

[split mortar]

We can literally see it in game

[trim edge]

can't access

[light linden]

OH

crap my bad

[zenith geode]

nah dont worry i had to spend like a solid minute trying to recall that

[west plume]

i believe that ilmeris was a confederation state encompassing an entire large inland body of water

the basin you visit ingame isn't the full thing

it's just apart of it that functions as an entrance to the aquifer

[shrewd stream]

inland body of water? it was a lake?

[west plume]

i think closer to inland sea?

[shrewd stream]

like a gulf?

[west plume]

no, it was entirely landlocked

[shrewd stream]

a

idk man, thats called a lake

[west plume]

would u consider the caspian sea a lake

[shrewd stream]

according to google, is the biggest lake

[west plume]

i guess it is one, but it was composed of brackish water and would be considered an inland sea

i think saying it's a lake evokes erie or baikal more or less

which wouldn't be a super accurate description

[agile matrix]

isnt the difference between seas and lakes the water type

[west plume]

yes

[agile matrix]

if its salt its a sea and if its fresh its a lake

[west plume]

every inland sea is a lake tho

[shrewd stream]

yeah, just by looking some images i would call it a sea aswell

[west plume]

not all lakes are seas

[split mortar]

brackish

[agile matrix]

well yeah they probably dont all have salt/fresh water

[shrewd stream]

i dont even remember what defines something as sea

[plucky juniper]

NO. lakes are just inland bodies of water

there are saltwater lakes that are definitely not seas

[west plume]

hi @raven brook

[shrewd stream]

...

[raven brook]

Owner

[raven brook]

large inland bodies of waater r lakes yeah, they dont have to be freshwater

there are salt lakes

[wanton pendant]

The colour of pirate beards.

[plucky juniper]

just uh

dont talk about the salton sea and the dead sea

[west plume]

Ilmeris was large enough to house a confederation of different ethnic groups and the part of the area you visit is it's aquifer which you can dive into

[raven brook]

Illmeris being a entirely closed off underground body of brackish water i think actually makes it entirely unique from anything irl

[west plume]

aquifers are not unique

[raven brook]

Aquifers are actually geological formations rather than bodies of water iirc, that have mineral water

Underground lakes exist but i don't think specifically with brackish water and to the same size and extent as illmeris

[leaden bridge]

Can I bring up a fables thing it's illustrative to this topic

[raven brook]

so illmeris would really just be

a underground brackish lake

there isnt really a specific term for it since its something that dosent really happen irl

i'm not sure if it's technically a sea assuming it has brackish water

because seas iirc specifically need saltwater

lakes can be w/e tho

it also can't be a estuary since estuaries tend to have a connection to the ocean, which illmeris dosen't as far as i know

sunken underground brackish lake dont sound as good though.

[west plume]

it is a geological formation but that's what it would be closest to i believe? it had an above ground brackish lake and an underground aquifer which collected water which was partially accessible through mining efforts and natural caves

ilmeris is the lake and inhabited area of the aquifer, since inability to expand outward meant they had to move downward

i guess in a way the ingame part would be a big well?

[real glen]

uh maybe

I mean yes

[raven brook]

something like that

illmeris is funny. if it just had saltwater you could just call it a underground sea and move on but the fact it seemingly had brackish water singlehandedly makes it definition alot weirder

[west plume]

i think of it like lake baikal but slightly salty due to previous tidal estuaries leading into it

which is also how the scourges got there

https://tenor.com/view/seal-wave-hello-jaron-hello-hi-gif-7054401251803609527

[leaden bridge]

This was drawn with the express purpose of figuring out what the sea looked like before the calamities

[wanton pendant]

Calamity...?
I think I like that name.

[raven brook]

ziggurat ,,

[dusk laurel]

i love the sunless sea

its not even out yet

[random mulch]

lake baikal is very weird and i like it

it's actually just a tectonic rift full of water, and it's still growing

[plucky juniper]

lake baikal my beloved

[raven brook]

it has baikal sealsa which makes it automatically goated

theres also baikal oilfish. weird little guys

i like them

[plucky juniper]

oh god im super wrong

i just learned that belugas (the giant sturgeon, not the whale) arent found in lake baikal

i assumed they were

no they're a caspian and black sea dweller

[raven brook]

Yeah baikal sturgeons are diff from white/beluga sturgeons

Theyre much smaller and darker colored

[sharp pulsar]

Wat is the polterghast, is he lore related?

[agile matrix]

from what i remember polterghast is a culmination of the souls of those who died in the dungeon

its basically a really really angry collective of barely sentient dead guys

(their current sprite is inaccurate but the general concept is correct of Being A Lot Of Souls)

[long bloom]

and they all hate yharim for putting them in the dungeon to begin with

[agile matrix]

yeuh

id think they're just angry in general but their hatred for yharim is quite potent

[long bloom]

yharim basically rented out the dungeon from the dragon cultists who were using it as a library

[west plume]

i wonder if yharim has heard of the concept of a graveyard

[long bloom]

never

[agile matrix]

he did, actually

the corruption and crimson

legally he did bury the dead guys and probably marked it with a stone, the result of which Made Two Whole Ass Ecosystems

[long bloom]

do we know he buried them

that's never been stated afaik

[agile matrix]

true actually i thought he buried it

[west plume]

why would he honor the bodies of gods

[agile matrix]

misinterpreted this as "i left the body"

[agile matrix]

a burial doesnt really need to be sad

coulda put a big sign there that says "HERE LIES [name], GOD OF WAR. STUPID IDIOT CHUD. THANK THE DRAGONS THEY'RE DEAD"

[west plume]

i guess both biomes are mass graves but i always sorta took it as yharim chopped em up fine and then threw em on a landfill

[wanton pendant]

Maybe he just dug a pit and chucked them all in, just to get them outta the way.

[west plume]

fair point

[agile matrix]

yeah not really a "we gather in memoriam" and more The Pit

corruption is a fun one though

[west plume]

polterghast is fucked up because he found some property owned by people who agree with him and immediately started chucking bodies in there

[wanton pendant]

Like, sure, he couldn't have foreseen that killing gods makes 'the gunk' that kills people, but leaving corpses around it pretty bad.

[agile matrix]

"gushed from their... forms and burrowed into... Terraria."

[wanton pendant]

I mean, to be fair they weren't dead yet.

[agile matrix]

(small parts cut for brevity)

[west plume]

well. soon to be bodies

[agile matrix]

what is it with calamity villains and throwing stuff they dont like into pits

[wanton pendant]

It's like Build a Bear, but for bodies.

[west plume]

he didn't intend to retrieve them or really bury them, he just made it the issue of any remaining dragon cultists

[agile matrix]

dogma/war with yharim, yharim with the dungeon

[wanton pendant]

Well they couldn't exactly throw them into space.

[agile matrix]

i mean yeah but why not burn it or something

[wanton pendant]

I mean, one of them tried that.

[agile matrix]

they did infact try and toast them but they also threw them in a pit

[leaden bridge]

considering Yharim says even the jailors died its clear he gave 0 fucks about anything or anyone going on in the dungeon

[wanton pendant]

Not his fault that ninjas showed up. Frankly, it's all their fault. Yharim did nothing wrong.

[agile matrix]

is there any attempt at explaining why king slime shows up near the edge of the world sometimes

[west plume]

Helpful Yharim threw a bunch of troublemakers into a big library until they learned to understand philosophy. Sadly, ninjas invaded and killed them all because they hate education

[west plume]

afaik its just a game mechanic and shouldnt really be looked into

[agile matrix]

awesome

[long bloom]

the calamity ninjas

[wanton pendant]

Uh, habitat?

[west plume]

all of the bosses exist when they are not fighting you, king slime is one that you can just meet wandering around

[split mortar]

Why is queen bee in the jungle

[agile matrix]

between the ocean and [jungle/dungeon] is a funky place for the slime guy

[agile matrix]

Bees :)

[wanton pendant]

Damn.... I don't know... devs, please...

[long bloom]

tell that to fabsol

[west plume]

maybe he likes the moisture

[wanton pendant]

What?

[agile matrix]

he's getting a tan

[long bloom]

environmental storytelling? who's that

[leaden bridge]

the blue slimes eat water

its true

i said so

its in terrapiklopedia even

[west plume]

they are blue because they eat water

[leaden bridge]

yup

[leaden bridge]

this is true

100%

[west plume]

red slimes are red because they eat BLOOD

[long bloom]

✅

[leaden bridge]

similar

[split mortar]

Green slimes are green for an amazing reason

[leaden bridge]

they eat blood roots

[long bloom]

also syrup

[leaden bridge]

those eat plants

its true

[agile matrix]

green slimes are green because they can be placed there

[west plume]

hi

[long bloom]

please rename signus in 2.2

pleas

[west plume]

to wut

[leaden bridge]

TRUE

[long bloom]

anything

[wanton pendant]

Is there a lore reason Toxic Sludge has a face?

[long bloom]

just not envoy of the devourer

[west plume]

oh, sure

[leaden bridge]

did slime puppet staff get renamed yet for 2.2? who knows!

[west plume]

i can try

[leaden bridge]

hes a jolly guy

[wanton pendant]

Signus, Vassal of the Devourer.

[long bloom]

yippee

[long bloom]

how bereft

[split mortar]

Literally just remove the “envoy of the devour” even just signus is not actively harmful to the characters lore portrayal while that added on title is

[leaden bridge]

ignore the typo i could correct rn i wrote these ages ago. apparently i did not just write they are blue because they eat water. which is great because i did do that with basicallye very other slime

[wanton pendant]

Signus, Statis' Best Friend, Whether He Likes It Or Not.

[leaden bridge]

these suck rlly bad

[split mortar]

Signus, the ultimate homophobe

[wanton pendant]

Signus, Going Through His Third Divorce.

[agile matrix]

signus, legal advisor to the Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful devourer

[leaden bridge]

i didnt write a reason for sludges to have a face

which is reasonable they just do

[split mortar]

It is not within mortal grasp why they have a face

[wanton pendant]

Signus, Ambassador of Sweden.

[split mortar]

Signus, found dead in London.

[wanton pendant]

Signus, Collector of Vintage Hot Wheels.

[timber glacier]

Are gastropod still in calamity lore a kind of slime like in vanilla? If so like how are they related

[west plume]

Signus of the Limbs

[wanton pendant]

Uh, probably.

[long bloom]

they're the same

[agile matrix]

oh actually just reminded myself

[split mortar]

Prolly just some slimes overtaken by the hallowed or smth idk

[leaden bridge]

made some shit up award these r rlly bad

[agile matrix]

why does DoG say a god does not fear death

[west plume]

i think natural slimes just are gastropods

[long bloom]

he's a huge narcissist

[agile matrix]

if

he's not a god
you're not a god
no gods are nearby

[wanton pendant]

Narcissism.

[leaden bridge]

i remember i wanted to do this with calamity's but i didnt cuz i never finished vanilla and also because calamity's enemy roaster does not motivate me

[wanton pendant]

Not even Bloom Slime?

[west plume]

he thinks of himself as a god and is hyping himself up

[agile matrix]

his Name is devourer of Gods why would he imply he's a god

[leaden bridge]

not even bloom slime i did not do anything

[timber glacier]

Isn’t he remarking how you’re fearing death, unlike the gods he has killed

[leaden bridge]

infact i only did vanilla sliems and zombies

[agile matrix]

is dude an ouroborus

[leaden bridge]

and zombies arent even like

they arent even the gimmick. i gav ethem zombalmanac-like entries instead because i did not fucking know what to write

[west plume]

renaming will likely be in 2.2 but i cannot guarantee it

[long bloom]

the actual reason is that the line is really fucking stupid but it's his most iconic one and they can't remove it

[spare pier]

It's really simple it's just that being a god is fucking awesome so DoG is y'know going "YEAH I'M FUCKING AWESOME"

[long bloom]

ty

[wanton pendant]

Signus, Just Signus.

[agile matrix]

yeah i was gonna say "outside of hype moments and aura, [question]"

it does make sense he'd hype himself up but specifically God is a very weighted title

[west plume]

DoG thinks of himself as a God in the theistic sense and not a God in the ascended sense

[agile matrix]

yeuh

[west plume]

it is confusing nomenclature but both meanings exist

[wanton pendant]

(Although, who would worship him?)

[agile matrix]

yes. like with deus :)

[spare pier]

DoG is literally hype moments and aura so yeah his main line is hype moments and aura

[west plume]

himself

:p

[agile matrix]

what was tofus alternative name to deus. the dying constellation in latin

yea this one

decaying constellation is an awesome name

[west plume]

so he is saying to himself: 'I am the greatest being that has ever existed, running away now would be unbecoming and cowardly'

[agile matrix]

like yea its not directly relating to Astral Infection like Golden Space (aureus) but it also doesnt use the term Deus so

[agile matrix]

yea that makes sense

"im fucking awesome. do NOT fumble this."

[split mortar]

It is
Astral is rotting stars
Decaying

And constellations
Stars as well

Seems more connected to me

[agile matrix]

i mean yea but it doesnt have the word Astrum in it

moot point but Who Cares

[wanton pendant]

Issue with Astrum being in the name is people calling both bosses Astrum.

[west plume]

what if deus was grey and was called astrum greyus

[split mortar]

Deus is already quite gay?

[west plume]

what if deus was peeled and deringed

[timber glacier]

Thats gore of my comfort character 😨

[split mortar]

Id want deus to put clothes back on

[cosmic zenith]

What if Astrum Deus was a string of stardust-filled mayonnaise pots and was called Astrum Mayos

[agile matrix]

what if deus was hired as a construction company and was named Steve

[leaden bridge]

thats really fucked up

what if astrum aureus and astrum deus had their names changed to actually be accurate

[cosmic zenith]

Wdym?

[timber glacier]

What if Astrum Deus got really into Tennis and got a bunch of games down to 40-40 score and was called Astrum Deuce

[leaden bridge]

aren't both of them inaccurate to how you'd actually say them in latin

[wanton pendant]

Yes, but counterpoint: Latin doesn't exist in Calamity.

[west plume]

how would u accurately say them in latin

[leaden bridge]

i dont remember

but ive seen this brought up plenty in the past

[west plume]

:(

[leaden bridge]

sorry!

[cosmic zenith]

Interesting

[cosmic zenith]

Arguably arbitrary distinction

[leaden bridge]

nothing and everything exists sorry buddy

[split mortar]

I exist in calamity

[zenith geode]

what would the lore ramifications be of adding luffy's misterious rock be

[cosmic zenith]

More accurately, where someone draws the line between passable use of real-life things (most often, terms and languages) and incoherent appropriation has an arbitrary element to it

People don't really kill most authors for writing all dialogue as if the people in their works all spoke English

[west plume]

we are not adding agartha to calamity

[cosmic zenith]

Though I must say, Calamity goes over the line I'd choose

[leaden bridge]

marble biome

[noble falcon]

Imagine we get to the aerie, do the atmospheric walk to the Yharim arena, and see that the stand used to summon him requires the starter bag

[west plume]

cave story true ending moment

mr beast!!!

@pine rock

WHAT

@drifting canyon

sorry scoocy the mobile ui was evil and autoselected u

[manic coral]

scoocy is summoned

[timber glacier]

Holy moly theres so many

[cosmic zenith]

Hi Cei!

[manic coral]

hi :D

[split mortar]

Who is luigi

[west plume]

idk. i dont think italians exist in calamity

[timber glacier]

Well pizza exists so they must exist to have made it

[pine rock]

[drifting canyon]

oh it was another bot

i was trying to figure out why i was pinged

[light linden]

hello y'all

....

[timber glacier]

MR BEAST IS EVERYWHERE

[light linden]

send a scam message in the SAME MINUTE a mod talks

crazy work

[drifting canyon]

is the bot down or something why are these not getting caught by the filter

[agile matrix]

i dunno!

[light linden]

god I came here for a reason

oh right

how did illmerians season food?

[timber glacier]

Probably with like seasalt

[light linden]

they can't cook food very easily

[agile matrix]

why do you say that

[light linden]

water

[agile matrix]

theres probably some stones that can heat the food

[light linden]

problem

[agile matrix]

cant really smoke it but you can prob sear it

[light linden]

said stones are likely covered in uber toxic stuff from thermal vents

[agile matrix]

i mean alternatively you can dig a cove Out of the water and put your heating element there

[light linden]

possibly but do we know how much of the sapient life in illmeris were amphibious?

[wanton pendant]

Maybe they just didn't cook food.

[timber glacier]

Well amidas in game can breathe air and water and be fine so I’d assume there was some amphibious life

[icy veldt]

Astrum Aureum (making the adjective aureus agree with the noun) and Astrorum Deus (using the genitive plural of astrum)

[west plume]

forwarded

[agile matrix]

wise nodding png

[noble falcon]

Would Yharon wear one giant pair of pants that covers his entire lower half with 4 pant legs or 2 separate big pairs of pants

It’s not about if he would, it’s about how he would if he did

What kind of pants also

Bro isn’t even entirely naked, he’s blinged out with car-sized jewelry

[sinful adder]

Oops, discord bugged out and I deleted the wrong message by mistake

Anyways, if he did I guess it might be two pairs of pants

Or alternatively one pair of pants on the back and a custom shirt thing on the front

[light linden]

random thought

[wanton pendant]

Well he seems bipedal, so...

[light linden]

y'all think draedon has done any research into the strength of organic derived materials?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, of course.

[light linden]

turtle shells seem rather strong for making armor and glowing mushrooms seem to give chlorophyte new properties

[wanton pendant]

I mean, the Plague was literally made to harness the strength of organic beings.

[light linden]

there's a problem with that though

we do know that the plague changes the physical aspects of creatures

[noble falcon]

I forgot the redesign was a thing for a moment there

[light linden]

amidias says that it gives them metal plating and electric lights

so it's somewhat questionable how much of them are organic

[wanton pendant]

If they were 100% synthetic it would defeat the entire point.

[noble falcon]

Tshirt that says “Girls ❤️‍🔥 My Auric Soul” and a huge over-the-top belt buckle made from carved exo prism

[light linden]

personally it seems to me that the more developed plague creatures end up using the organic creatures as a blueprint as opposed to just augmenting them

I doubt it completely turns them robotic but likely makes them more robotic than organic at a certain point

[flat berry]

Cyborgs

If im right the point of the plague was to subdue living beings to work more like machines

[wheat walrus]

p

[barren hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1353989403609010286/1497045210243399741/fab_alarm2.gif

is this canon ?

[timber glacier]

Yesn’t

[flat carbon]

yes

[agile matrix]

is that charlie kirk

[flat carbon]

no that's fabsol

well with kirk's face

[barren hull]

oh no a mod

[raven brook]

Im having to repeatedly loop this gif over because i cant tell if tge very first image shown is bad bad evil or not

Its very hard to though because i can only see it clearly for like 5 picoshits

youve put me in purgatory

[flat carbon]

take a screenshot

and look at it

I think it's one of those ai dance things

[raven brook]

This quality sucks so bad i cant even tell after screenshotting

If the judge asks i saw nothing

It looks fine enough

[barren hull]

is it canon tho

i found it on the forums

[raven brook]

no it was decanonized after the rewrite. thats old lore

[barren hull]

@flat carbon real developer, is this real #realfacts ?

[flat carbon]

don't ping me scum

[barren hull]

😭

[flat carbon]

removed in the what a calamity update

pls no moar trolling in calmain 💔

[plucky juniper]

@barren hull

you are not canon.

[barren hull]

who is this guy

[long bloom]

teh stinky

[plucky juniper]

TEH STINKY IS MY NAME

AND I AM THE CREATOR OF OMEGA AMIDIAS

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HIM?

[barren hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1353989403609010286/1496702869464940626/-.gif

[flat carbon]

does no one use this channel for anything important

[plucky juniper]

I SHALL TAKE THAT AS A YES

[long bloom]

there's an actual conversation like 3 times a week

[plucky juniper]

@barren hull

[sinful adder]

We do when there is new lore to discuss

[flat carbon]

lol good luck with that

[sinful adder]

But with no new material, we circle endlessly into madness

[plucky juniper]

argues with archon to get her to accidentally leak lore

[wanton pendant]

When will we learn more about this mysterious character?

[raven brook]

sometimes

[raven brook]

its just when people think of a topic to discuss really you can do alot by just talking about random shit

not rly due to a need of new material

we should have a long extensive conversation about the phylogeny of scourges or something

[plucky juniper]

no

i am going to instead prompt you to talk about honeybee evolution

[wanton pendant]

What made them get that big? It's messed up.

You thought Minecraft bees were way too big? Look at these things, they're massive.

[plucky juniper]

just gonna say that minecraft bees are peak cute animal design

[long bloom]

i think desert scourge is a filter feeder

[raven brook]

yharim on his way to call every single damn animal a filter feeder

[long bloom]

yharon is a filter feeder

[wanton pendant]

Filter feeder means it doesn't eat everything, right?

[real silo]

Meld lore

[light linden]

also for reference I meant for manufacturing

e.g. to be used for the arsenal armors

[scenic kraken]

I think his name is Peter

[noble falcon]

What is Yharim’s favorite tv show

[stoic gulch]

The bachelor

[noble falcon]

I take him as more of a General Hospital kind of guy

Does the aerie have good tv or internet reception actually

Like it’s not super unreasonable to think there’s something there nowadays that lets it happen smoothly with how wacky technology gets but it could just as easily be in the Stone Age technology-wise

[long bloom]

the stone phone

[noble falcon]

You mean
iStone

With the gamer rage meme version of Yharon we have here it’d be super funny if the aerie doesn’t have wifi and Yharon just incinerates huge swaths of the mortal world landscape to vent after getting stuck with an unwinnable solitaire game

[long bloom]

the stone phone

[agile matrix]

the yharrock

[stark flame]

Who the hell can tell me where the developers mentioned the death toll of the Crusade?

[wanton pendant]

You would have to search in this channel.

And a precise number undoubtedly has not been internally decided upon.

[dusk laurel]

atleast 1

[wanton pendant]

2, maybe.

[stark flame]

Does the Sun, like the stars and planets, also condense from magical energy?

[cloud ibex]

No the sun is weird

[magic epoch]

DOJT BR MEWN SO WRE YOU

[craggy sparrow]

The day draedon builds us a stronger stomach for potion sickness

is the day we can kill everyone in calamity

[scenic kraken]

Nah, we just adapt

[neat jetty]

Here’s a theory, when the player made Yharon go to his second phase, how many Fahrenheit or Celsius do you think it reached when it said “the air is getting warmer around you”

[wanton pendant]

That's a question, not a theory.

Probably a lot for it to be able to be felt in spite of all the other sources of heat.

[noble falcon]

2 degree
Which measurement depends on what you named the world so it can use the right system

In the event the world is named smth like Epic Land it defaults to Kelvins

[sacred pilot]

Serious answer probably in the hundreds of millions.

[raven brook]

Dev statement somewhere. Shouldn't really be taken too seriously because dev statement moment, until something is ingame take it with a grain of salt

All that is definitive is that the crusade's killcount is unarguably bigger than whatever you can do ingame given it wiped out multiple civilizations and was on a global scale

[spare pier]

It was pretty much just a hypothetical by Cei to prove that there's absolutely no way you could argue the player is worse than Yharim

Yharim's kill count dwarfs anything you could possibly ever accomplish ingame

[raven brook]

Plus it having a entire army and multiple incredibly powerful agents while you're just well, you

[raven brook]

yep

[raven brook]

The sun is made of primordial light, which is some sort of magicky light thingamabob. This dosen't exclude the possibility of other celestial bodies that are made of different things or even other primordial light bodies, but the Sun from Terraria is that

Stars are in a somewhat similar boat: Fallen Stars as you see them ingame are made of mana. Astrum dei also eat such mana stars. Nothing is discounting the possibility of other celestial bodies made of different materials and chemicals though

[west plume]

assuming yharim's empire was involved in the death of a minimum of 1 million people per year from direct murder, starvation, disease, people dying for the crusade, and other war atrocities, yharim would have killed around 100~ million people at minimum between the start of the crusade and current day. the current estimate i have in my head is somewhere in the low billions with the number tapering out earlier as the heartlands is a larger continent which hadn't fully industrialized and therefore people living within it were financially incentivized to have children and we are going with the fact that terraria allows people to live vertically rather than just horizontally relative to each other

assuming the very very low end and only around 200 million people were born during the century that the crusades took place, yharim would have effectively halved the population if you ignored the prosperity of his empire and military industrial complex driving people to have children to make them enlist for benefits in older age

if you go with the low billion number then the most casualties would have been earlier on into yharim's crusade with the downfall of major supply lines and repeated razing of food stocks and granaries for strategic purposes

i believe the destruction of ilmeris was a multi million figure massacre and basically no one around would have been able to offer significant asylum since no one had the right substrate to house asylum seekers from ilmeris

[agile matrix]

can i get a tldr of this math

[wanton pendant]

Should be noted that even on that low end Yharim would be many times worse than any real life war.

[west plume]

yharim killed an incredibly high amount of people even on with a low estimate of around 1 million per year in the entire continent

the number would spike significantly with the destruction of ilmeris on the low end, or ilmeris' destruction would have been insignificant on the higher end

[agile matrix]

highball estimate of the people population in the heartlands?

pre crusade

[wanton pendant]

Probably still notable as a lot very fast in a relatively small area though, by a very small force.