lore-discussion

[timber glacier]

Wait are the vanilla dev sets canon?

[long bloom]

no i'm shitposting

[analog tundra]

What’s the purpose of moonlord and the pillars in calamity mod’s lore?

Purpose / lore

[raw nest]

Moon lord acted as one of the main catalysts for the “calamity” of the calamity mod by showing that auric dragons could be separated from their souls

And he was known as “fovos” before. After being imprisoned on the moon, then he became moon lord

[hollow pivot]

Moon Lord (Fovos) is a being form the Distortion that invaded Terraria and fought the dragons.
It ended up killing about half of the dragons prior to being immensely weakened and imprisoned in the moon.

The Pillars are each made up of a highly twisted fragment of an Auric Soul; those being:
Life (Raelvanna¹) > Stardust
Storm (Vetrasyl¹) > Vortex
Mind (Unknown) > Nebula
Primordial Light (Zeratros, Dragon King) > Solar

Mind is the only one that was killed by Fovos directly before or after soul theft. (This is because it was pretty much a radio for all the dragons)

Raelvanna¹ was eventually absorbed by Silva, and Nature Elemental, who ascended into becoming goddess of Life.

Vetrasyl¹ was eventually absorbed by Ontonilou, who ascended into becoming goddess of Electricity.

Zeratros was eventually absorbed by Xeroc, who ascended into becoming god of the Primordial Light and is the strongest known character in the existence, post-Ascension.

The Pillars each did they own thing to help conquer the Dragons; as we can see when we fight them in-game.

¹Placeholder/Unfinalized name

[spare pier]

Sigh

[hollow pivot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LKTHNV3OpIQ88dozfzQhTvEylV1qzzwQeAsW77wf74c/
Also Lore Doc.

[spare pier]

The Moon Lord is a creature from outside Terraria who showed up out of nowhere and dropkicked the dragons

The Pillars are its army

[hollow pivot]

Also the Moon Lord you fight in-game is far far weaker than the one the dragons fought.

[eager bluff]

moon lord is the man behind the slaughter

[spare pier]

Réquiem and Prelude should explain everything you need to know as a basis

[analog tundra]

Very much appreciated.

You guys did a way better job at deepening the lore than whatever… uh, the original developers of the game did

Not hating on them though

[hollow pivot]

This Lore Doc is a compilation of most of the publicly available lore.
You can also find more Here, and Here.

[hollow pivot]

Terraria's lore is mostly up to interpretation iIrc. So there's almost no concrete lore.

[analog tundra]

True, thanks for telling me, I was really curious about how the moonlord and the pillars got interpreted here.

[pulsar ocean]

is requiem a jojo reference

[agile matrix]

no but cynosure is a league reference

[pulsar ocean]

league

[sinful adder]

Holy shit legend of Maxx updated last October and I never noticed

It's been like 5 years since there was anything

And even longer since there was anything besides a Halloween special

I'm pretty sure the last time they did anything was before moon lord existed

They also invented the hammush

[eternal veldt]

Yeah ofc he is. He's insanely weak

Like i have more trouble with king slime for god sake

[inner pasture]

What is "The Crystal City" from Ibipaua?

[zenith geode]

the huh

oh right the continent

[wanton pendant]

It is something called The Crystal City.
It is presumed to be a city with crystals.

[zenith geode]

if i had to imagine it'd be a large city somewhat reminiscent of the emerald city from the wizard of oz except probably not as green

[inner pasture]

.w. Does it have lore significance, or do we know that someone comes from there?

[wanton pendant]

No.

[inner pasture]

Just exists

[split mortar]

Twas mentioned by a dev a while ago

[odd magnet]

do you guys think hivemind and perferators would get an overhaul since rn they're just swapped versions of eachother??

[zenith geode]

when the dragonfolly swap comes yeah

[odd magnet]

when do you think that's coming?

[fathom locust]

281 years

[zenith geode]

eventually

[wanton pendant]

Also not quite a lore question.

[long bloom]

when the devs decide to do it

[split mortar]

Basically every boss is guaranteed to be overhauled at some point

[wanton pendant]

Except Brain of Cthulhu. The one finished boss.

[split mortar]

True

[noble falcon]

Which Olympic events would the calamity bosses excel at

[random mulch]

probably yharim at absolutely anything

[noble falcon]

Doesn’t count
Not a boss yet

As it stands he would be one of the commentators

[shut kelp]

not a boss yet

[noble falcon]

Yes
Therefore he cannot compete in the Olympics

[shut kelp]

hes like 9ft one of his steps can finish a 100 meter dash

[noble falcon]

Ravager solos the hurdles
Bro jumps like nobody has jumped before

[shut kelp]

if no powers are allowed then calamitas is basicly a normal person

[noble falcon]

I never said no powers

[wanton pendant]

Are you implying Yharim never taught her weight lifting techniques?

[noble falcon]

Even then I’m sure Calamitas would do pretty good at something

[wanton pendant]

She's probably a mildly malnourished, heavily traumatized 28 year old, which in sport terms is like, 500.

[shut kelp]

would a normal dude be able to curl 250kgs with perfect form if he knew all the techs and will do all of them absolutely perfect

[wanton pendant]

If Yharim was their gym coach, probably.

[shut kelp]

yeah probably honestly

[noble falcon]

Anahita nails the swimming events
Leviathan disqualified due to not fitting in the pool

[wanton pendant]

If Calamitas picked up a car, I would not be suprised.

[shut kelp]

leviathan can compete in flying but will probably be smoked by yharon

[wanton pendant]

Anyway, Permafrost breaks his knees.

Flying is not an olympic sport, nerd.

[noble falcon]

Who’s good at skiing

[shut kelp]

(!)

[shut kelp]

cant think of nobody

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost, but he's too old.

[noble falcon]

It’s easy to say permafrost is good at any of the winter events but surely more than just him

[shut kelp]

deerclops

: D

[wanton pendant]

Deerclops isn't a Calamity character, nerd.

[noble falcon]

No doubt but we’re talking just calamity here

[shut kelp]

(!) (!) (!) (!) (!)

[noble falcon]

Draedon would probably be good at figure skating I think
All about precision and careful execution

Thanatos competes in bobsledding as the bobsled itself

[noble falcon]

He wouldn’t even need skates because his feet are already metal

[long bloom]

i don't think giant gecko pads are very good for gliding

[noble falcon]

Do you really think he, of all characters, wouldn’t make it work

Just stance up on the tips

[shut kelp]

need some bulk

[long bloom]

he's also like 12 feet tall and already looks hard to balance

but fair

[noble falcon]

I’m just saying if anyone would be able to be good at it I think it’d be him

[shut kelp]

the dude that constructs huge war machines can probably make a flash pair of ice skates for himself

flashy*

[noble falcon]

He would probably be up for a unique challenge like winning the figure skating event

Just tell him there’s information to be had and he’ll already be on his way there

[cloud ibex]

he'd just make himself a body specifically fine-tuned for figure skating

[light linden]

I still wonder what ultron would think of draedon

likely would try to steal his exo prisms

draedon would likely want the metal that his shell is made from

either mysterium or vibranium

mysterium would be a titanic boon for his exo mechs since it ignores pretty much all magic

also it's an extremely good electric conductor

[shut kelp]

imagine a new exo mechs boss that is immune to magic and stuff

so solo mage players have a horrible time

[cloud ibex]

imagine new horseshoes that are made of uranium

so the horses get radiation poisoning and die

[shut kelp]

epic

imagine a unlucky horseshoe that gives you -2.0 luck

[light linden]

that's not the worst part

it's nearly as strong as marvel adamantium

marvel adamantium is indestructible for context

requiring immense magnetic fields to even bend

and is better at shielding from radiation than lead while also not becoming hot when conducting electricity

[shut kelp]

lets keep the material out of the conversation because this is going really south, an exo mech with magic immunity is the main idea

[wanton pendant]

Ultron probably wouldn't like Draedon due to how he's not a supremacist.

[agile matrix]

imagine a quintet of bosses that act like the different classes

[light linden]

eh

he tends to try to not dislike purely mechanical beings

[wanton pendant]

I don't see Draedon doing genocide on all organic life.

[shut kelp]

if i understood this right do you mean bosses that are made for classes?

[light linden]

so he likely wouldn't outright dislike him

[agile matrix]

a melee mech, a ranger mech, a mage mech, a summoner mech, and a thrower mech

[shut kelp]

yes i understood it right

would be cool, but we have more like boss types

[light linden]

draedon would absolutely hate ultron though

[shut kelp]

worm, flying/duo, flying above head

i guess

[light linden]

morals or not, trying to commit global genocide is ghoulish

[shut kelp]

ultron is dradeon with rtx on (in looks)

and bulkier

[agile matrix]

draedon would loathe ultron yeah

ultron im pretty sure is more providence than he is draedon

sure both employ robotics but both have different means for their different ends

you cant really study ash

[random mulch]

draedon is not nearly murderous enough to be like ultron

[agile matrix]

i dont actually think he is murderous

[random mulch]

he is murderous if it advances science

[agile matrix]

like sure he does murder but just because a car can make waffles doesnt make it a wafflemaker

[random mulch]

he is also against murder if it advances science

[agile matrix]

yeauh

the plague isnt just "haha evil virus" no its a scientific opportunity that draedon will kill once he gains enough info

[random mulch]

his stance is "whatever it takes (to advance science)"

[agile matrix]

i dont know how to phrase his means and his ends but his endgame is "total encyclopedic knowledge of everything"

and any action he does is entirely for the purpose of moving towards that

[vivid cloud]

How are you teleporting?

[agile matrix]

specify

we the player?

[vivid cloud]

@lucid wigeon

[agile matrix]

oh. this is not the channel for that. #calamity-mod-talk

[vivid cloud]

Oh, my bad. Wrong channel

[agile matrix]

all good

[light linden]

also if it gets too out of control

[agile matrix]

that too

[light linden]

imo he should've killed the moment it broke out

and then kept working on it

[agile matrix]

honestly i feel he woulda deployed it in a normalized testing environment

[light linden]

I still don't get why he was making it there

the place where it could reach the farthest out of any biome

he should've made it in the ice lab

[agile matrix]

i believe he woulda deployed it anyways

but like. in a better manner

than "BOOM baby!!! glass breaking!!!"

[light linden]

where it would have had a very limited amount of ways to exit the biome

in case of an emergency

[agile matrix]

ice has jackall why would he put it there

[light linden]

to develop it

not put it there

[agile matrix]

transport of a nanovirus is a precise thing, especially during War Time

[light linden]

he was developing it in the place where it would've been the most catastrophic if an accident occured

[agile matrix]

keeping it in one centralized location near where he's gonna expeirment on it is a better idea than trying to transport one very dangerous vial

[agile matrix]

what implies he wasnt gonna deploy it in the jungle

[light linden]

there's a reason why scientists working with dangerous diseases are usually both underground and in extremely cold areas

[agile matrix]

those are plagues (organic) not plagues (bionic)

[light linden]

so if a break out does happen, it is less likely to spread far

[light linden]

the snow biome has like

3 things it could infect

[agile matrix]

^

[light linden]

compared to basically the entire jungle being able to be infected

[agile matrix]

also i think he needed access to queen bee larva

which are infamously delicate and probably not good to transport overseas

[noble falcon]

Just you wait until we get Deerbringer Goliath
Won’t be sounding like such a good alternative after she shows up

[wanton pendant]

Consider that Draedon would be under the impression that a breach would be literally impossible due to him knowing exactly how it works and being intelligent enough to cover for any circumstance.
Of course, he did not consider his own boss busting it out.
Or, more reasonably, it was the best source of test subjects.

[fast aspen]

how old is player in calamity ?

[sacred pilot]

Up to interpretation.

[fast aspen]

like how old is character in start of calamity and on the end

after boss rush

[sacred pilot]

The only thing we know that "it wasn't too long" between defeating CalClone and SCal.

[agile matrix]

the only definite timescale we have is, from what i remember

when we defeat Yharon, Yharim will be dead before approximately 10 years pass

Yharon acknowledges that by the time that he returns, Yharim will have passed

and Yharon takes 10 years to revive

actually. thats probably a pretty good question. why doesnt Yharon bring Yharim back?

i thought the only reason he didnt revive anything other than auric dragon is because he's specist

[fathom locust]

we'd just kill him again 🔥 🔥

[agile matrix]

well yeah but he'd be able to bring Yharim Prime back

instead of Unc

[sinful adder]

I was under the impression that he can't, and that normal souls don't persist after death

[agile matrix]

we have instances of a few who do

polterghast and its coagulites are mainly souls trapped in ghouljuice but theyre still here

plus the souls of light night allat

[sinful adder]

Yeah. Not sure then

[wanton pendant]

He can't.
Yharon can only bring back Auric Dragons.

It's not a racism thing his power literally only works on them.

[pulsar ocean]

sounds STUPID

and like an EXCUSE

[turbid wyvern]

@wanton pendant i know one of them is xeroc but what is the other

[wanton pendant]

Silva is the functionally unkillable god.

Due to her being an Elemental, so long as nature exists on the planet, she cannot die.

[turbid wyvern]

interesting

[wanton pendant]

Of course, killing nature would require Yharim to kill everyone, including himself.

[split mortar]

And also probably the other elementals since those are also living things probably

[west plume]

the power of rebirth works normally for non-auric dragons. i.e. yharon is able to reconstitute your flesh into a new form of arbitrary age which can persist onward but the new reincarnation, if he's able to do it, is just a fast tracking of your current soul into a new vessel and not a memory transfer

the shard prevents most information loss by preventing the soul from changing at all or escaping and yharon leverages that for other auric dragons, although his power isn't limited to dragons specifically at all, which is where a lot of the racism comes in since he doesn't recognize other ascended as being people

yharon can't really do much more for yharim without just allowing him to reincarnate, in which case the resulting being will be an effectively new person; he's also too selfish to give up his soul and yharim has already killed or driven away anyone who could extend his life further

[trim edge]

how old could yharim live to be

[west plume]

not very much older

the absence of silva and sacrifices means no one could really stop him from dying of old age after yharon becomes unable to delay senescence

[wanton pendant]

Around 140.

[stark flame]

Is it true that there was an Auric Tesla Armor legion in the Old Lore, or is this just a rumor?

[west plume]

things i believe yharon can do with his power that we can't really show ingame:

• mending limbs by reincarnating them into new ones; the old properties of the limb disappear and are replaced by a new one, so he can arbitrarily get rid of literally any disease or affliction localized to an area as long as the limb is still attached (he is not a doctor)
  ex. if you have a broken arm, yharon can touch the arm and rebirth it into a 'new' arm without any of the afflictions of the old one, but it will also lose any non-magical properties it had because it's as if yharon had effectively sewed a different person's arm to you

• ensuring that specific properties in a creature do not decay or continue to be in a specific renewable state; he can accelerate the rebirth process of your cells to accelerate how fast you heal (although he does not have control over biological minutia and cannot stop your cells from becoming senescent), he can skip through life stages to do something like outright remove monocarpy
  this is likely the process in which he was able to keep yharim from physically aging for the most part, although there's obviously a biological limit for how old a human can become and yharim has hit that, and he obviously cannot make yharim a new brain or precisely rebirth organs to prevent them from failing naturally

• rebirth flesh arbitrarily
  if yharon grabs ahold of you for a significant period of time, then he can force you to go through a cycle of reincarnation and become a new person or creature. this also applies to dead flesh. you will not be the same person afterwards

[wanton pendant]

I don't remember hearing about that in the old lore, but there was a Godslayer Armour division who guarded the Devourer of Gods.
Old lore was all over the place. Wouldn't be suprised if such a thing existed.

[stark flame]

[split mortar]

Wait
So
Yharon can just turn someone into a fish theoretically

[west plume]

i don't think he has that much control over it but yeah

[split mortar]

🔥

[stark flame]

Maybe Yharon could turn himself into a fried chicken

[west plume]

he could always do that

[split mortar]

Yharon already burns himself mid fight that already happens

[wanton pendant]

First he can trans your gender, now he can trans your species. What next?

[split mortar]

Transitions you into fungus

[west plume]

if you let yharon grab onto you long enough to turn you into a mushroom you were probably already fucked

to be honest

[wanton pendant]

So clearly Yharim doesn't need to spend the budget on plastic surgery, Yharon can simply grow him a new face.

Better question, does that hurt?

[west plume]

would you want a random new face?

[west plume]

excruciatingly since yharon is reconstituting the old flesh and sewing it into you

[wanton pendant]

Neat.

"That Shakidou got me good, Yharon, took my arm clean off!"
"Don't worry, watch this."
Five minutes of screaming later.
"This is a Lihzahrd arm."

[eternal veldt]

Maybe

[split mortar]

Does it gotta be random

[west plume]

this is like 90% of the question. if you had a lava burned face and you were the ruler of a military empire where appearances were important would you take the chance to look as cute as a kitten

[wanton pendant]

What is the downside?

[split mortar]

Fair enougj

[west plume]

it's just uncontrolled

you get a New face and not a Regenerated face

[wanton pendant]

I meant the kitten part.

[west plume]

ah. fair

the new face could also get bad rng though and you could look like pre-ascension xeroc's dead ringer

which i imagine isn't ideal for yharim

low odds tho

Let's Go Gambling!

[wanton pendant]

Ok, like, what are the chances ANYONE would recognize that? Other than like, Yharon.

[west plume]

well, yharon specifically would recognize it and i imagine it would make the actual xeroc take him less seriously

not huge downsides

you get a new face at least :p

[light linden]

so I've been thinking of something

how heavy is providence?

[wanton pendant]

I dunno man.. like, a lot probably.

[plain crane]

her health suggests very high rock and crystal density

if we highball, we're looking at 4 to 5 metric tons per cubic meter of providence

so she's about the weight of a fully loaded semi truck

[west plume]

that's a very mean thing to say

[light linden]

hmm

random thought, why does the corruption, crimson, and/or hallow make monsters?

I could see the former 2 creating them to act as an 'immune system' of sorts

but why the hallow?

[wanton pendant]

Because the Hallow is the same thing as the Corruption and Crimson.

They're all the gore of slain gods.

[light linden]

well the former 2 are dramatically more hostile than the hallow

the hallow doesn't seem to have a central "authority" that would want to be protected

[leaden bridge]

I think they just like Form

[wanton pendant]

I don't think any of the biomes do.

Hive Mind and Perforators just seem to be particularly strong conglomerations of gore, not something that can arbitrate the entire thing.

[light linden]

I mean

I think that's a disconnect between lore and in-game for now

[split mortar]

I assume its that being influenced by a hundred torn apart dead minds is still not
Very nice to the mind even if they are benevolent

[abstract hedge]

In lore maybe because it just got formed and thus can't really make things yet. Also maybe cause it's made of good/neutral gods rather than evil ones it doesn't feel a a need or desire to for some reason.

[light linden]

what the hell kinda bot

[abstract hedge]

?

[wanton pendant]

Hallow didn't just get formed, it was just contained, like most of the other infection.

[abstract hedge]

Yes the essence was contained but the Hallow itself didn't exist yet I don't think

[wanton pendant]

It probably did.

But was contained.

[abstract hedge]

How would a biome be contained inside the wall?

[wanton pendant]

Magic.

[abstract hedge]

I thought it was just that the essence was and then was released and permeated the land, forming the Hallow.

[wanton pendant]

Since the stuff the biome is made of was what was in the wall.

That's why killing it spreads the biomes.

The essence came from somewhere, and that somewhere was murder.
And the wall didn't always exist.

[abstract hedge]

So I assume it'd take some time to reach the same level of danger as the evil biomes that had existed for a long long time.

[wanton pendant]

It was made due to the essences making biomes and causing issues.

The biomes that are there on game start were left on purpose as propaganda.

[abstract hedge]

Weren't the essences contained before they made the Hallow? Like wasn't that the whole point of the wall, to contain stuff before it starts messing things up?

I should go reread the lore doc

[wanton pendant]

If they never got the chance to form biomes, Yharim wouldn't have known it was something to deal with.

[abstract hedge]

What about the evil biomes

[raven brook]

I think this is a pretty arbitrary point of contigency not working actually arguing over

There's nothing saying if the biomes were formed before or not because like. does it matter

Yharim could've seen what the evil biomes did and started containing the essence of the hallow beforehand, or maybe they did form

[abstract hedge]

A ton of evil dead gods formed those, so it should probably be easy for Yharim to assume that a ton of other dead gods would form the Hallow, especially since he considers all gods evil.

[raven brook]

regardless what matters is that he contained them

[noble falcon]

Here’s a question
What voice does plaguebringer Goliath have when it announces the nuke barrage

[split mortar]

Hallowed metal existed before the hallowed in game which requires the hallowed to exist so there is possibility of hallowed appearing in the past

[split mortar]

Specifically that one reddit text to speech voice

[noble falcon]

(Yharim heading to Draedon’s lab after getting an invite) “I can’t wait to see what science project Draedon had me contribute voicelines to, I do hope it’s exciting- GOOD LORD!”

[warm gull]

good morning everybody!

[split salmon]

I genuinely hate yharim now, how did i not find this anywhere

[leaden bridge]

did the genocide part not did it for you

did you really specifically need to be told hes a manipulator

[hollow pivot]

Yharim literally halved the population of the planet.

[brazen coral]

Yharim is like, the worst of the worst

[west plume]

yeah. i hate it when good people do bad things

nothing else could have indicated he'd do something like that

[cosmic zenith]

I wish we could've released this with SSO and a Calamitas dialogue revamp

It lands so much weaker without supporting context

This is a major problem we need to fix

[leaden bridge]

give me your amidias dialogue except im saying it in an unexplicable dracula voice

[agile matrix]

wasnt yharim brought by Dogma, aka Gaslighting Champion

calamitas fell prey to that gaslighting. fortunately, she's also really honest abt how much an asshole yharim is

[split salmon]

I wanted instances of his worst

[split salmon]

God of Dogma is new to me since the previous master cal mod document

[leaden bridge]

yeah and again the part where he goes i KILLED them i ay HELL YEAH lets KILL THEM ALL lets go KILL THEM ALL i kILLED THEM ALL is not his worst?

[split salmon]

I alr know about the case with silva and agnus and etc

[visual kiln]

hey guys! lets murder an entire culture and civilization and almost certainly cause a complete ecological collapse in the process YAYY

[leaden bridge]

just the best guy ever really

[craggy sparrow]

somehow yharim is more evil than israel

[long bloom]

more destructive sure, more evil is debatable

[craggy sparrow]

He genocided

countless people

and left a permanent effect on some ecosystems

said effects are more hazardous than fucking nuclear bomb aftermaths

wallahi his ass is going to hell

ultra hell

[long bloom]

you just described the destructive effects of his actions

i am referring to intentions

[craggy sparrow]

The end dont justify the means

you're still being counted by actions

[long bloom]

i don't even know what you're arguing and i do not want to continue

[craggy sparrow]

it was kinda a stupid statement anyways

sorry

[hollow pivot]

Chat do you think Shakidou looks like the Empyrean outfit?

[leaden bridge]

no

[hollow pivot]

Okay

[north root]

yes

[pulsar ocean]

no

[plucky juniper]

well since we got nothing on shakidou

[agile matrix]

shaki is the god of what again

[robust osprey]

emtpiness

[agile matrix]

okay cool i was right

i headcanon they dont have a right arm

[long bloom]

strange but not outlandish

[agile matrix]

i dont remember what uuuuh.

statis looks like

i remember he has a fun arm

but i headcanon that shakidou has no right arm but can still articulate objects like they do

[long bloom]

yuh

[long bloom]

sounds neat

[agile matrix]

ooh i thought he had a floating gauntlet

[long bloom]

this is an old version and he'll reportedly have "shadow limbs" (whatever that means)

[pulsar ocean]

purple transparent limbs

obviously

[sinful adder]

Hey, do you guys know the Legend of Maxx

They finally updated

It's been 5 years

Even longer than that since something that wasn't a Halloween special

[split mortar]

Meld predates shakidous existence in lore and irl

And why would one pillar thing be god related when sll the others are basically dragon related

[west plume]

i always imagined Shakidou to just be really emo

archon will prob kill me for this but Exactly like this

this is not a canon depiction

[agile matrix]

not auraful enough

[wanton pendant]

"It's Not a Phase, Yharim", theme of Shakidou.

[craggy sparrow]

i wonder what society created the emo subculture

in calamity

[wanton pendant]

Azafure, clearly.

[west plume]

azafurians are naturally emo. have you seen calamitas

well, i guess she's goth

still alt

[craggy sparrow]

and shes stuck at the age of 20ish physically

her ass is not moving on

from that phase

[wanton pendant]

She... does age.

[mighty zenith]

she's stuck at the age of 20 because she's in her 20s

[west plume]

no, no, she just is in her 20's

[mighty zenith]

[split mortar]

What

[craggy sparrow]

what???

[mighty zenith]

she's not like thousands of years old or whatever

[craggy sparrow]

i thought she was like semi immortal

[split mortar]

She just actually is in her late 20s

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

She's like 28.

[mighty zenith]

no she's a normal person

[west plume]

28 is a high estimate

[craggy sparrow]

what the fuck

[split mortar]

Thats permafrost who is old but even he still dies eventually

[mighty zenith]

with unimaginable magical power

[split mortar]

27-28 was the number we were given

[craggy sparrow]

this is why i need to read the doc more pinned here

than anyone

[west plume]

i will destroy the lore doc

[craggy sparrow]

fuckass lore misinfo

[magic epoch]

technically it is the high estimate

[mighty zenith]

i think like, 24 is more accurate

[split mortar]

She was a minor when she worked for yharim

[wanton pendant]

Yharim would have to like, recruite an 8 year old for that.
Which he'd probably do.

[west plume]

permafrost, yharim and yharon are the ridiculously old characters, yharon is the oldest at somewhere around 10-12 millennia

calamitas was born when yharim was over 100 years old

[split mortar]

Oh dang

[mighty zenith]

12 thousand years what

i swear i thought he was more like. 2000-3000

[wanton pendant]

That's how old they can measure.

[west plume]

nah. he was there early

[wanton pendant]

But Draedon does say that he's certainly older.

[craggy sparrow]

damn i never knew he was like an african warlord

recruiting child soldiers

[west plume]

i didn't know yharim was evil

[split mortar]

That was the minimum on the fact dragons predate azafure

[mighty zenith]

right

[craggy sparrow]

me when the guy in my head is actually evil

[mighty zenith]

mfw the guy employing arsonists to burn down churches is evil

this isnt even something he lies about he just tells you outright he did this

[wanton pendant]

Ok, but like, those churches were evil, man!

Those monks had it coming!

[west plume]

yharim would pay a thief to steal candy from a baby and then batman origin story the parents if they were god-fearing

[wanton pendant]

Then he would have Auric Batman who kills theists.

[craggy sparrow]

would steven universe be able to fix yharim

[wanton pendant]

It's like Batman, but he's racist.

[split mortar]

No

[craggy sparrow]

whole song and everything

[split mortar]

Yharim does not believe he is in the wrong to put it simply

[craggy sparrow]

i think hes a great study on narcisissm

[west plume]

you know that one sb universe where a diamond instantly kills one of her pearls for speaking up

[craggy sparrow]

well

a very extreme

[wanton pendant]

"Y-you're right Steven... I see now the error of my ways... I will no longer use child soldiers in my Crusade!"

[craggy sparrow]

study

[craggy sparrow]

steven no your shit is pre hardmode level

you cant beat him!

[west plume]

That's right. The minimum age for becoming conscripted is now a whopping 15 years old! Earlier if your parents register you as frontline expendable infantry

[split mortar]

I have only seen the last panel what

[mighty zenith]

the last panel became a meme

[wanton pendant]

No more orphaned 12 year olds fighting!
Only ones with parents!

[craggy sparrow]

you can have cool ass laser guns

tho

[west plume]

who said you're getting a weapon

[wanton pendant]

Pal, you are the weapon. Wear this grenade jacket.

[craggy sparrow]

surely all of the multi planet mining can benifit us

[split mortar]

Whar

[wanton pendant]

Multi-planet mining?

[west plume]

i imagine Fragging your superior officer is something common in yharim's military for fresh conscripts

[wanton pendant]

What planets are you mining?

[craggy sparrow]

dosent draedon mine other planets??

[wanton pendant]

No.

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

He says so.

[west plume]

So new recruits probably just don't start with a weapon so they don't gain an arsenal gun and then immediately blow the nearest godseeker's brains out

[wanton pendant]

'In contrast, I will present a short-term goal: I wish to begin harvesting minerals from this world's moon. With the husk of the cosmic titan culled, I plan to begin experiments with wireless spatial linkage. The teleporters you are familiar with must be wired and are thus unsuitable for interplanetary distances. Scalable logistical means for instantaneous transport will be paramount in harvesting and ferrying materials beyond Terraria when this world becomes unsuitable for my needs. To be clear, I do not wish to see this world devastated and have no intentions of ruining it.'

[craggy sparrow]

you're telling me this guy specifically extracts large chunks from the planet directly

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

There's like, space goop and a giant squid in the way.

[west plume]

wut do you think the burrowers are for

[craggy sparrow]

oh so when we beat the moon lord he could begin his interplanetary project

dont worry dredon i downloaded the wireless teleporters mod

problem solved

[wanton pendant]

There's still the space goop.

[craggy sparrow]

just use rod of discord

[split mortar]

Astral kinda obliterate any machines

It touches

[wanton pendant]

Render distance isn't far enough.

[west plume]

i think theres the bigger issue of the moon being evil that draedon has to deal with before stripmining it

[wanton pendant]

That too.

Moon's Haunted.

[magic epoch]

the moon's evil what

[wanton pendant]

It's Haunted.

[craggy sparrow]

yeah what

[wanton pendant]

I've been saying this.

[split mortar]

Moons evil

[west plume]

the moon's evil

[magic epoch]

i haven't heard this before

[craggy sparrow]

so it has lingering moonlord influence??

[split mortar]

Bloodmoons and eclipses just
Happen

[west plume]

no. it was always evil

[wanton pendant]

How, I say this like, twice a day at least.

[magic epoch]

oH that makes sense

[craggy sparrow]

oh wow

[split mortar]

Predates ml

[craggy sparrow]

wtf

[magic epoch]

i don't frequent this channel much

[wanton pendant]

No, no, that's ridiculous.

[wanton pendant]

This channel?
I say it everywhere. The people must know.

[craggy sparrow]

fym its just evil

[wanton pendant]

It's evil.

[west plume]

it's just evil

[wanton pendant]

Haunted, even.

[magic epoch]

I've never seen you say it before

[craggy sparrow]

this planet is shitty to live in

get me out of here

[wanton pendant]

The moon is probably alive, and it hates you for certain.

[pulsar ocean]

why didn’t yharim just ask for an exo sponge that never needs recharging so he can win every fight

[mighty zenith]

the moon wants to kill you

[west plume]

because exotech didn't exist when he and draedon cut the partnership silly

[craggy sparrow]

why didnt yharim download the stars above mod

[wanton pendant]

Homophobic.

[craggy sparrow]

and have overpowered weaponry

yharim it has subworld library

we can leave the planet yharim

[wanton pendant]

Why would he leave the planet when the gods are here to be murdered?

[feral skiff]

no because that’s breaking the fourth wall

he cant do that

[craggy sparrow]

yeah he can

[mighty zenith]

he would never be guided by lesbians

[west plume]

i guess for a better explanation, celestial objects in calamity have Will, and Worlds have their own Souls which can project will unconsciously. mars, the moon and the planet you play on all have world souls and they unconsciously influence the area and things around them

the moon is Evil and it's influence manifests as fucking with the inhabitants of the planet it's a satellite around

[craggy sparrow]

i thought there was only one world soul

[west plume]

nuh uh

[craggy sparrow]

which is the planet

[pulsar ocean]

who lives on the dark side of the sun

[split mortar]

Theres multiple planets and we have not gone and confirmed if it had one or not

[craggy sparrow]

i got a pylon there

[wanton pendant]

Terraria doesn't have a World Soul... anymore.

[craggy sparrow]

its my angler house

[split mortar]

Worlds dead theory seems to be correct

[west plume]

it isn't really a special aspect of the planet; celestial bodies just have souls. terraria's fucking shattered which is why it's being targeted for consumption

[fierce pagoda]

oh my glob

[craggy sparrow]

oh so thats why dog was after us

[fierce pagoda]

world soul lore

this is so tuff

[pulsar ocean]

So this implies there’s a Martian world soul and potentially Martian auric soul beings if it broke

[wanton pendant]

I think they meant Moon Lord.

[craggy sparrow]

okay wait so if its shattered what happens after you die

[wanton pendant]

Why would that have anything to do with it?

[magic epoch]

your death isn't canon afaik

[craggy sparrow]

a guy told me your soul goes to the world soul

[wanton pendant]

Who?

[pulsar ocean]

Terrarian first tries every boss

[wanton pendant]

They made that up.

[craggy sparrow]

some other mod discord

[mighty zenith]

probably making shit up

misinfo is rampant surrouding cal lore

[wanton pendant]

Wow, you didn't trust me, John Lore, and went to some other peasant!

[mighty zenith]

mostly people misremembering old iterations of it and also filling in the gaps with their own ideas

[craggy sparrow]

its also why i stopped watching youtube videos surrounding it

[wanton pendant]

Good idea.

[mighty zenith]

anything before march 2023 is guaranteed to be outdated

and even a bunch of stuff after that is outdated lol

[west plume]

jungle dragon yharon

[mighty zenith]

jungle tyrant yharim

[craggy sparrow]

oh god i remember that lol

[mighty zenith]

(why is this still so common)

[craggy sparrow]

didnt yharim had a brother???

in old lore

[wanton pendant]

They should have just called it 'Jungle Mod'.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[magic epoch]

yharim the lihzahrd

[west plume]

yharim's brother was killed p early on into the mod existing

[deft vessel]

Hey its me John Lore. Did you know that Yharim the Jungle Tyrant is a twink

[wanton pendant]

Who was like, a crazy cultist who died.

[west plume]

False

[magic epoch]

Was

[split mortar]

Plankton die gif

[craggy sparrow]

he was like thrown in lava

[deft vessel]

Nu uh its true
Source: trust me bro

[craggy sparrow]

then the egg hatched

[real silo]

Shu

[craggy sparrow]

and somehow hes saved

[wanton pendant]

Dragon picked him up.

[mighty zenith]

yharim's brother worked at azafure's walmart

[craggy sparrow]

yeah

[real silo]

Does that mean someone can ascend using moon soul

And become moon god

[wanton pendant]

Helpful illustration.

[magic epoch]

imagine a dragon uber

[west plume]

no; it isn't shattered and therefore not in small enough pieces to ascend with

[wanton pendant]

They would probably explode.

[craggy sparrow]

do they have wafflehouse

[pulsar ocean]

You think there’s ever gonna be a Martian yharim if mars’ world soul shatters

[wanton pendant]

Still open.

[craggy sparrow]

thank god

[real silo]

What if they're cracked

As in

They're really stong

r

[craggy sparrow]

green yharim

[wanton pendant]

They filled in any cracks and blemishes with EVIL sealant!

[west plume]

if you can shatter a planet's soul then you don't really need to ascend, do you?

[deft vessel]

Just break it first duh

[craggy sparrow]

would it still be a powerup

[split mortar]

Even the fucking xeroc has only a fragment of the world soul

[craggy sparrow]

if its just a multiplier

[magic epoch]

just eat it slowly

[wanton pendant]

Good point.
Adjust the scaling.
The strongest Calamity character is the Moon.

[pulsar ocean]

what if someone hoarded every piece

[west plume]

the only thing having a world soul shard gives you is infinite stamina in a particular magical domain. if the shard you bind to isn't something you need it's p pointless and you also get transfigured as apart of ascension

[wanton pendant]

But they can only use One Piece, that's the real truth.

[pulsar ocean]

the one piece…

[craggy sparrow]

so its like a golden bough from project moon

i never knew it was tied to a domain??

[west plume]

like imagine if you were the most powerful being in the universe and you got handed the flame shard and could produce piddling magical flames forever. that wouldn't be a powerup

[wanton pendant]

World Soul Shards grant domains.

[west plume]

er. world soul shards have domains. you can utilize the domain when you ascend

[craggy sparrow]

i thought it was more of a direct powerup

[west plume]

nuh uh

[wanton pendant]

It grants you power over a thing, which is basically zero mana cost for it.

[craggy sparrow]

wait is the domain another dimension? or does it project outward

[wanton pendant]

No.

[pulsar ocean]

are world souls like a physical thing
If draedon ever felt like bringing a big ass drill into the moon would he find it

[wanton pendant]

It's magic power. Over a thing.

Like, Xeroc can use Primordial Light for free.

[west plume]

if your soul is split from it you lose the ability to use that domain for free. so if someone found zeratros' soul and reincarnated him, he'd just be a perfectly normal dragon with no powers since his soul and therefore shard was taken by xeroc

[west plume]

like regular souls i think that it can manifest in ways but generally isn't something you can touch

world souls are a massive incorporeal presence tied to the land that you can sometimes take advantage of if you can stitch them to your soul

terraria's world soul shattering was a notable event because it meant that magically inclined individuals could staple their soul to a shard and actually control it. the issue is it's easy to consume now. for everyone

[fierce pagoda]

how did it even shatter in the first place

[west plume]

idk. i wasn't there

[fierce pagoda]

earth stumbled on a rock and fell

[wanton pendant]

I blame Yharon.

[craggy sparrow]

some guy shimmered himself to the earth's core

[wanton pendant]

Just because he's a jerk.

[craggy sparrow]

and it exploded

[west plume]

yharon wasn't responsible for it shattering

i think he's a lil too young for that

[wanton pendant]

I blame him anyway.

[west plume]

that's fair

[craggy sparrow]

can we blame the chicken more

than the owner

[wanton pendant]

Yharon has no owner.

[deft vessel]

I blame you

[wanton pendant]

You can't talk, impostor.

[west plume]

yharon is kinda responsible for gods having to exist tho

[craggy sparrow]

people kept saying on mod discords i frequen that hes somehow a fraud for having the souls taken

[west plume]

all the auric dragons are frauds. don't worry

[craggy sparrow]

[west plume]

with small exceptions

[fierce pagoda]

imagine if you were like a bad mage, and you got binded to a shard

just squandering all that potential cuz you don't have any skills

[pulsar ocean]

The terrarian

[west plume]

yeah. that's p much all of the auric dragons

[pulsar ocean]

wait which dragon did dogma ascend from

[west plume]

they got basically infinite spam abilities and then started using them to prevent anyone else from getting ahold of them. one actual enemy able to fight them comes and then they all die

[split mortar]

Faith

[west plume]

dragon of faith

[split mortar]

Snail

[west plume]

i was confirming if i was allowed 2 share that

:p

[pulsar ocean]

so the dragon of faith could make everyone believe in him without breaking a sweat or how does that power work

[west plume]

it's a spoiler for how dogma functions and idk if i want to describe that accurately

[craggy sparrow]

dragon of faith vs reddit strongest atheist

[west plume]

dogma is reddit's strongest theist

[wanton pendant]

Yharim.

[craggy sparrow]

5k page thread

over the span of 5 hours

[west plume]

part of why i'm confused when people talk about the glory of the auric dragons is that they were literally sitting on their asses being a problem and then couldn't fight off one threat as a Group without casualties

[craggy sparrow]

was the moon lord at that time really that strong

[west plume]

yeah

[craggy sparrow]

cause i keep imagining him as just cuthulu

[wanton pendant]

Stronger than literally anything else.

Cthulhu is also meant to be really strong in his stories.

[west plume]

you only fight half of him in modern day which is why he's not as strong as he used 2 be

[pulsar ocean]

could the dragon of flames spew fire infinitely everywhere

[split mortar]

Only weaker then xeroc

[west plume]

but we won't make future boss fovos

[west plume]

yeah

[craggy sparrow]

i wonder if they'll decide to make him some sort of part of an eldritch race

like fuckin alien x from ben 10

[pulsar ocean]

damn all the dragons were actual bums

[split mortar]

Doubtful

[wanton pendant]

I mean, he's already from the screwed up dimension with the giant worms.

[real silo]

He's a mutated martian squid

Godzilla style

[west plume]

he got killed by 5 normal humans btw

[real silo]

Qhar

[pulsar ocean]

💔

[craggy sparrow]

they had obsidian skin potion

[wanton pendant]

Who was the fifth?

[real silo]

Oh flame

[craggy sparrow]

the + variant

[deft vessel]

This is Fovos in truth

[real silo]

I thought you said fovos got killed by 5 normal people

[west plume]

argh. 4

4 normal humans

providence and her gfs

[wanton pendant]

HE GOT ONE!

They ate Bobelinne!

[west plume]

i would believe providence would drag in some fodder to distract flame long enough to drive a spear into his skull

[fierce pagoda]

wait what so the dragons werent the ones who defeated moonlord and sealed him on the moon!?

it was fucking providence and her squad!?

[wanton pendant]

They were.

[west plume]

i did not say that

[wanton pendant]

Providence didn't do any of that!

[craggy sparrow]

i do think its kinda funny how humans in calamity can reach that far in strength

[wanton pendant]

It's called gym.

[split mortar]

Magic exists

[west plume]

they literally couldn't do anything but train and get stronger back then since they were trapped underground due to the presence of zeratros

they were Preparing for the moment when they could take down dragons

the issue is it wouldn't have been very effective previously

[wanton pendant]

Azafure was both goth, emo and filled with gyms.
Strange imagery.

[west plume]

no humans were involved in the sealing of moonlord tho

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc you need to lock in your friends are dying.

[pulsar ocean]

the dragons were all busy scratching they butts instead of training

[craggy sparrow]

do yall terrarians have a canon god they worship

[split mortar]

My terrarian is pro yharim

[wanton pendant]

If you pray to a god Yharim should begin blowing up your rock phone with phone calls.

All really toxic guilt tripping.

[craggy sparrow]

put him on mute

its that shrimple

[west plume]

You have to understand terrarian... imagine if you believed in ME instead of that... filth

[wanton pendant]

He's also emailing you.

[fierce pagoda]

kinda scary, you are wasting your time on the surface, while being unaware that Cavedwelling underground humans are secretly training to murder you the second you let your guard down.

and you've been doing NOTHING, while they've been preparing all this time

[wanton pendant]

And sending pizza to your house with messages on them.

[craggy sparrow]

oh god he has the fucking IT interns flooding my shit

[west plume]

yeah. exactly

they were literally only on top because humans couldn't do any permanent damage

[wanton pendant]

Just like in real life.

[fierce pagoda]

heyhey wait wait wait

[craggy sparrow]

are you saying dwarves are gonna kill us

[fierce pagoda]

what do you mean

[west plume]

don't you guys know about the subterraneans

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, the subterraneans.

[craggy sparrow]

we can easily kill them

[split mortar]

Why do you think bugs constantly break into houses

[craggy sparrow]

with microplastic

[fierce pagoda]

the Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers

more famously knows as CHUDS

the chuds...

they're coming...

[pulsar ocean]

It’s cold outside

[craggy sparrow]

im luring them so they could become dye

unfortunately the only bugs im encountering are red

[pulsar ocean]

replace y in dye with i

[craggy sparrow]

so its only red husks

[fierce pagoda]

have you considered that maybe they were there first, and YOU were the one who broke in

[west plume]

the auric dragons probably would have coexisted with humans if zeratros wasn't doing the sun thing

and then fovos would have been much less of a threat with human warriors to assist

[fierce pagoda]

oops...

[west plume]

i don't think they thought that far ahead tho

[fierce pagoda]

nice one Zeratros

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Yharon could simply TOSS humans into Fovos!

[fierce pagoda]

Zeratros deserved to get his soul taken by Xeroc

[west plume]

that's true. it'll give him time to run away

[wanton pendant]

Just like the hit game Pikmin.

[craggy sparrow]

dreamwork will copyright the devs

for that idea

[fierce pagoda]

Xeroc is using his powers for far better reasons anyways

[pulsar ocean]

what did he do for 800 years

that we know of

[fierce pagoda]

in my heart I know he's been fending off the distortion

[craggy sparrow]

i wonder if were held as a savior after the ending of the mod

[fierce pagoda]

that's what Xeroc has been doing all this time

[wanton pendant]

50 years to fix the sun, 800 years of aura farming.

[west plume]

xeroc has been a lore hole and old lore holdover that will be fixed later for 800 years

[split mortar]

I wonder if xeroc idolises zeratros still

[craggy sparrow]

yo this guy kept summoning beings of mass destruction

their fuckass wooden platform

[fierce pagoda]

I wonder if Xeroc has been inside the distortion

[west plume]

i don't think so in his current position, probably so immediately after ascension

[wanton pendant]

DoG actually runs a tourism business on the side.

[fierce pagoda]

could he even enter, and would the distortion do weird things to his light

[west plume]

zeratros was kind of really ineffective as a protector

[fierce pagoda]

bro was casually cooking 90% of all lifeforms

do you think forest fires were common

[pulsar ocean]

zeratros is like a less effective asgore

[west plume]

i dont think there were a lot of forests for a while

asgore is a worse person than zeratros by far i think. zeratros didn't know he was doing anything wrong and not prepared enough which is his only redeeming quality in retrospect

[wanton pendant]

Asgore killed people due to peer pressure.

[fierce pagoda]

Asgore was out here murdering children

[west plume]

he didn't even Have to murder children

he could have just consumed one human soul and then marched out of the barrier and killed some adult soldiers

[craggy sparrow]

but guys he was guilty his theme song said so

[pulsar ocean]

maybe one child

[craggy sparrow]

somehow the fucking ut fandom describes humans as this all powerful eldritch magical beings

[wanton pendant]

Could Asgore win against the US military debate locked after 17,982 messages of debate.

[fierce pagoda]

why didnt he just do that

[craggy sparrow]

so they keep saying asgore would've lost

[fierce pagoda]

are humans that cracked

[west plume]

well, no

[craggy sparrow]

they're not

[west plume]

he didn't want to

[wanton pendant]

Gun?

[fierce pagoda]

was he scared to find out?

[pulsar ocean]

the other children didn’t seem too strong

[craggy sparrow]

you're only special cause you're the player

frisk is a husk, man

[fierce pagoda]

you have infinite determination

[west plume]

asgore's entire character arc is that he didn't want to take responsibility for anything which is why he did or sanctioned so many horrible things

he's pathetic and a sort of objectively bad person

[wanton pendant]

Monsters are meant to be really weak compared to humans.
But a monster with a human soul is implied to be able to take on multiple humans and win.

[craggy sparrow]

he already fought them in the first war

[fierce pagoda]

determination is like the power system in UD, like ki in dragonball or haki in one piece

[craggy sparrow]

he lost because they had magical bullshit

[fierce pagoda]

bruh what was he doing then, just a genuine fraud

[west plume]

the plan for getting out was also a blitzkrieg after breaking the barrier where monsters would have consumed as many human souls as possible to become god-like and then slain all of the humans

and he didn't consider that humans would just have a fundamentally different society a few hundred years after the war

[pulsar ocean]

how does 6 souls make a big flower and 7 souls turn you into god of hyperdeath

[fierce pagoda]

why was he goofy mister oddball in the pacific ending instead of getting hated on

pacific ending its actually over

[west plume]

pacific ending

[craggy sparrow]

the children that fell were all special somehow

[icy veldt]

Is there also an Atlantic ending?

[craggy sparrow]

and that they had enough dt to make you a god

[wanton pendant]

The more souls, the more mutations you experience, but seven makes you strong enough to change your appearance how you want.

[craggy sparrow]

it was literally just up to circumstance

and still asgore could've just used one

because they were that gifted

[fierce pagoda]

oh so was it kinda like, he didnt wanna genocide all of humanity?

cause it's bad to murder so many people

[craggy sparrow]

the war was so long ago though

his ass could've used deplomacy

[wanton pendant]

He mainly did it because he got really angry and promised he would but couldn't bring himself to retract it, last I checked.

[west plume]

determination allows you and your will to become more 'Real'. human souls produce determination in excess, so any monster who absorbs one can just force it to produce determination; asriel was able to manifest anything using his mind upon absorbing the 7 souls and that was their plan

they would have become what are effectively eldritch gods and killed every human

[craggy sparrow]

i think he was also couped up in his castle for too long

the monsters in the game most of them dont really mind humans now

[wanton pendant]

Like, humans had just killed his kid in cold blood.

[west plume]

it didn't have to be child souls

[craggy sparrow]

the whole war promise was kinda gone in their heads

[wanton pendant]

And that was right after his other kid killed themselves.

[west plume]

i think gerson is the only person alive who's even seen the war

[craggy sparrow]

the other kid died due to wounds

[west plume]

it's been a long time

[craggy sparrow]

tbh asriel was kinda a fraud

his ass died to normal villagers

[wanton pendant]

He didn't want to murder people, he was a child!

[pulsar ocean]

Like I think if asgore just went out after murdering one child and then slimed out a village I think he’d be able to take on the whole humanity and free monsterkind right there

[west plume]

asgore was also a terrible inattentive parent to chara which was a huge plot point. chara wasn't really acknowledged and then committed suicide to escape the situation they were in

[west plume]

well, yeah

but he's a coward

[craggy sparrow]

Dude i really liked how kris in deltarune shows this more

since they were wearing the horn thing for a while

[wanton pendant]

Chara and Asriel were idiots. How do you read cups of butter and think buttercups are the same thing?

[craggy sparrow]

just to feel like they fitted in

[west plume]

asriel has never seen a cow

[mighty zenith]

10 year olds are idiots

[wanton pendant]

Bro, your parents are goats!

[west plume]

you don't milk your parents 😭

[craggy sparrow]

there has to be some normal animals in lore

like

[mighty zenith]

i mean

[craggy sparrow]

do they have different animals

[mighty zenith]

frisk brings up goats to gerson

[craggy sparrow]

underground

[west plume]

there are, but they're on the surface

[craggy sparrow]

no like underground

they eat the same thing

[fathom locust]

🐌

[wanton pendant]

Also, screwed up of Toriel to call what was basically her adopted child someone she used to know.

[west plume]

gerson is old enough to remember when humans and monsters were living together and therefore knows what a 'Goat' is

[mighty zenith]

doesnt seem like it from his response

[west plume]

asriel was like actually 10 years old when he died and was born post-war

[craggy sparrow]

the more you disect it the more you can see outside of the fandom bs how the dremurr family was kinda toxic

[wanton pendant]

Also letting children bake unsupervised when they could apparently barely read.

[craggy sparrow]

even moreso in deltarune

fuck you sans

[pulsar ocean]

do we just forgive asgore for killing 6 kids at the end of the pacifist route

[west plume]

no

[craggy sparrow]

no

[wanton pendant]

Ok, counterpoint, those kids walked up a cursed mountain, it's on them.

[west plume]

regardless, i don't think asriel knows what Butter is because he's either never had it because farm animals are rare and hard to cultivate underground or because there just aren't living cows underground

[craggy sparrow]

one had a gun

with no bullets

[wanton pendant]

Gun doesn't beat curses.

[west plume]

it's charas fault for trying to end their own life..?

[craggy sparrow]

they ass stupid

ranger class

everyone knows summoner is better

[pulsar ocean]

I think it’d be kinda weird if normal farm animals lived alongside sapient animal like monsters

[wanton pendant]

We live alongside monkeys.

[craggy sparrow]

true

[west plume]

cattle also eat regular food to produce milk and not monster food

[pulsar ocean]

it’s probably not the same thing as being toriel and see a cow next to you

[west plume]

monster food doesn't have nutrition i don't think

it just magically restores your stamina and heals your wounds

[wanton pendant]

It's magic.

[craggy sparrow]

what even are skeletons

in lore

[wanton pendant]

It has no physical mass.

Skeleton shaped monsters probably.

[west plume]

monsters that look like skeletons

[wanton pendant]

OR NESS FROM EARTHBOUND!

[craggy sparrow]

cause i just see them as magic powered constructs

yet sans can bleed

or its his ketchup or sum shit

[pulsar ocean]

Now who’s gaster

[craggy sparrow]

idk anymore

[craggy sparrow]

draedon

[west plume]

i think sans bleeding will be confirmed in like dr ch6

[pulsar ocean]

hog wild before dr chapter 5

[craggy sparrow]

chapter 5

how my dad is doing after the divorce

[west plume]

this is true!

[craggy sparrow]

i think the shards

will form as a mirror

in the end of the game

if you dont pick the weird route

[pulsar ocean]

why would we even make the twisted sword out of the pure crystal if it has the same stats as the black shard

[wanton pendant]

When do we get a Calamity Weird Route?
(Calamitas just gets put through it all again, sicko.)

[west plume]

how would that work. is it like

[craggy sparrow]

yes

we can put like a bus on top of them

[wanton pendant]

He picks you up gently like hamburger.

[craggy sparrow]

strap it onto their armor

[fathom locust]

thats signus' job!

[wanton pendant]

He does this to you.

[west plume]

too expensive. he costs an arm and a leg

[pulsar ocean]

is dog’s stomach an automatic teleport or when he ate status and broiler he made a portal in his gut

[craggy sparrow]

2 arms

in this economy

[west plume]

i think automatic teleport

[pulsar ocean]

How does he enjoy food

[craggy sparrow]

he can still taste it

ig

[west plume]

i don't think DoG can actually digest anything and it just goes elsewhere, but he can taste it

hence why he calls you tasteless slop

[wanton pendant]

Tantalus but if they REALLY hated the guy.

[craggy sparrow]

is it because of the qol mods i downlaoded

[west plume]

yeah

uninstall them

:p

[split mortar]

Yea

[craggy sparrow]

its not slop dog

its essential to my experience

and my soul apparently

[craggy sparrow]

i just want

wireless teleporters man

[fierce pagoda]

pylons:

[west plume]

essentially

[craggy sparrow]

ok but i need some of them

for my farm

then my arena

[west plume]

he's also narratively fucked if that helps

[craggy sparrow]

then multiple fishing areas

[fierce pagoda]

I know, but I think the idea is that the devs dont wanna give you free accurate teleporters without having to work a bit for them first

[wanton pendant]

I mean, if we didn't kill DoG, someone would.

[fierce pagoda]

all other forms of teleporting requires effort

or aren't specific

[craggy sparrow]

"hello people of terraria im in the fuckass war continent and today were gonna do the dog cheese method"

[stuck solstice]

when was this background added?

or is this not official since i have like 2000 mods

[wanton pendant]

Brainstorm.

It is official.

[split mortar]

Brainstorm

[stuck solstice]

cool

[craggy sparrow]

theres two theories on this

its a fur cape

[stuck solstice]

or hair

[wanton pendant]

That's the plume.

[stuck solstice]

i want hari

[craggy sparrow]

or he doesn't have a barber

nobody can make his shit straight

[wanton pendant]

Are you saying Permafrost couldn't do it?

[craggy sparrow]

its a curse put on him

he could only have a fucked up hairline

why do you think he wears that helmet all the time

[wanton pendant]

Because he has long since lost sight of anything other than his unending conquest.

[craggy sparrow]

he probably has the vegeta cut

big ass M

[stuck solstice]

wait wait

your on to something

its not a W tho

its a Y

for yharim

and that line

in the visor

is the rest of the hairline

and the visor is used to cover his hairy face

[winged sand]

oh. I just realized something

azafure is just sulfur in spanish

[wanton pendant]

Well, not quite.

Azufre is sulphur in Spanish.

But it is named after the Spanish word.

Since it's Spain themed.

[feral skiff]

is draedon water resistant

because electronics don’t mix with water wouldn’t he combust and explode whenever it rains

[fierce pagoda]

if bro can create infinite energy crystals he can create water proof technology

[west plume]

why would he not have figured out waterproofing but figured out how to make the exo mechs

[wanton pendant]

He probably has at least one drone that is water resistant.

And probably most of them are.

Draedon himself is an AI, and as such can't come in contact with water due to being code.

[craggy sparrow]

draedon i need that resin you use, for my underwatercooled pc

[pulsar ocean]

Why would yharim have a mage crystal if he’s melee build

[wanton pendant]

He multiclasses.

Why do you think he has the Yharim Guns.

[pulsar ocean]

right

[feral skiff]

he is a man of many trades

he invests in all weaponry so that he is unpredictable in combat

[craggy sparrow]

he has a keyboard

he can use the f1 f2 etc keybinds