lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

I got the comic version, apparently it's the original comic version from ages ago.

[manic coral]

how dare

[spare pier]

3 weeks? And one of them had minimal progress due to uni at the time

[west plume]

Bram Stoker's Dracula is 500 pages

[manic coral]

i am ltierally one of the 10 people that loves the interfishions

[west plume]

you can read it today

[spare pier]

How is she so good at this shit man?

[west plume]

ur burning daylight go go go go

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, from 1966.

[manic coral]

that wasnt her

i just, like

clal thm that

because it's true

[spare pier]

Fair

Still my point stands

[wanton pendant]

I have an hour and ten minutes.

We have long since run out of daylight.

[manic coral]

then you'd better read fast

[west plume]

you have the day tomorrow

:p

[wanton pendant]

That day is occupied by other affairs.

[west plume]

cancel them and read dracula

[agile matrix]

i dont have the time to read either of those

im gonna spend it doing jackall

[magic epoch]

read my book series

[wanton pendant]

Alright, I'll have to kill someone though to stop them from aging.

[west plume]

none of you have time to read....

[magic epoch]

chucking nugget

[west plume]

that's fair

[manic coral]

hello amethyst

[thick slate]

read 17776

[west plume]

17776 is like homestuck if it was about football

[wanton pendant]

That sounds like it's AMERICAN YEEHAW!

[thick slate]

barely about football tbh

[west plume]

larger than that

[west plume]

they literally run to the ends of the earth playing foot ball :\

[thick slate]

yea but thats not the meaning of the story

[west plume]

there might also be some space probes or something idk

they don't talk much

[thick slate]

but if u just think its about football

thats cool

[thick slate]

they talk quite a lot

[west plume]

i've personally never heard them talk in all my years of watching football

i was even a player the last 200 years

[light linden]

this a bad time?

[west plume]

hi

whats ur lore question

[wanton pendant]

FINALLY!

[light linden]

could you even cook a flarefin koi?

[west plume]

idk

ask the angler

[light linden]

since they're effectively living fire

[thick slate]

no

[west plume]

maybe you could cut it into thin slices and eat it raw

[thick slate]

yea

bro just catch a tuna

[manic coral]

i think you'd have to freeze it

flarefin koi popsicle

[light linden]

for context

I'm asking because I'm wondering if azafurians ate them

[compact ridge]

Yummy fire fish 🤤

[light linden]

the only fish they could easily get and eat live in lava

[west plume]

the azafure is a trade city and they likely just imported actual fish

i do think they fished tho

[light linden]

uhh

[west plume]

?

[light linden]

where did they get salt?

[thick slate]

azafurians ate each other

[thick slate]

one of the most common minerals on earth

[west plume]

probably also trade or just natural mineral deposits since they live in mineral land

[light linden]

ok I should've specified

where did illmerians?

I remember the sunken sea being said to not be salt water

[west plume]

i think it'd be silly to assume that ilmer cuisine was salty at all

they'd have fish spices

[compact ridge]

Azafurians should eat rocks out of respect to their beloved Brimstone Elemental’s casing

[light linden]

syrup

it's not flavor

it's preservation I am thinking of

[west plume]

yeah. i literally don't think they'd use salt for that

it would just dissolve into the water

they'd likely just make brining solution above water if they needed to preserve things or use other preservatives

[thick slate]

what

[compact ridge]

Would salt even taste good to them bc isnt it literally always in their mouths lol

[wanton pendant]

It's like, salty but not ocean level.

[west plume]

they are underwater creatures so they could just Bury things deep in the aquifer and it wouldn't rot

[thick slate]

ok

[light linden]

I'm referring to the fish being traded with azafure

[split mortar]

Brackish iirc

[thick slate]

cuz some sea animals dont work in fresh water

yea

[light linden]

illmeris is the closest and largest settlement with easy access to water

if they imported fish from anywhere it'd be there

[west plume]

literally every surface dweller has easy access to water

i don't actually know why ilmeris would have fish exports since they compete with fish for food

it'd be like if pork exports were common

[light linden]

???

[west plume]

?

[light linden]

pork is exported

a lot

[west plume]

yes

[wanton pendant]

As a place surrounded by fish, they'd be in the best position to export fish.

[light linden]

^

and they're also likely the closest to azafure

so that's where they'd likely get their fish from

[west plume]

yeah but like. ilmer inhabitants and fish eat the same food and they can't really expand their land or quarantine fish

so why would they export fish

they aren't a sustainable thing to farm in the first place

[light linden]

but considering how they'd have to be going in a diagonal direction to reach azafure

they'd need to preserve it

hence why I asked about salt

[west plume]

i just really do not think that ilmeris would be exporting fish...

[light linden]

drying wouldn't work considering they're underground

[thick slate]

smoked

[light linden]

I'm not sure if they had fire to smoke the fish considering they're underwater and very far from any wood

[west plume]

they can go above water, put the thing to be exported into a pickling jar with a custom made brine by a land worker or smoke it, and then sell it

[thick slate]

smoked salmon 🤤

[light linden]

that needs salt

brine is made with salt

[west plume]

yeah... and they can get salt from any natural deposit or trade

or just boiling brackish water

[light linden]

also it's worth mentioning

it was recent that surface living was even possible in calamity

[wanton pendant]

Less than 850 years, hardly 'recent' at this point.

[light linden]

and how much of that 850 was spent being rebuilt after fovos went crazy?

[west plume]

probably not a lot considering fovos attacked the dragons mostly and didn't target random troglodytes

[wanton pendant]

Well, the only surface civilizations we know about are gone, so...

[light linden]

he attacked chrysadia directly though

[wanton pendant]

And they didn't rebuild.

So, 0.

[west plume]

chrysadia was dragon owned and decidedly not a troglodyte civilization

[thick slate]

why does the ilmeran fish export even matter

[wanton pendant]

Economics.

[west plume]

it's kinda just a topic and i think it's silly to think that ilmeris would export fish

[light linden]

I find the lore interesting and I am trying to not think about the life threatening situation I am in

[thick slate]

the lore of fish exports

[wanton pendant]

It would be insane if they didn't.

[thick slate]

fish yumy

[west plume]

fish are like... what if you had tens of thousands of flying cattle that ate each other and all plant matter available freely all the time

[thick slate]

import fish into my mouth

[west plume]

and in order to farm them you have to build a gigantic rectangular cage up to the surface to contain them

and it has to be tall so they don't jump over it

[wanton pendant]

So the thing is is that that's a thing you can do.

[thick slate]

isnt that just what farming is

[west plume]

why would they zone off a large portion of the body of water just to dedicate it to containing creatures that eat the exact same food as them

[wanton pendant]

Why would they even farm them. There'd be tens of thousands.
Why couldn't they just fish. With nets.

[thick slate]

yea

export those

[west plume]

Ilmeris was big as fuck the fish would have been gone with export pressure within a few years

[wanton pendant]

Why do we zone off large portions of land to raise creatures when we can also eat plants.

[west plume]

farms can be stacked on top of each other and most farm animals are easily contained and don't eat the same things as us or eat our extreme surplus which there is even more land dedicated to

we can also just freely make more farmland

like literally extend out the land to farm things

[thick slate]

water

[west plume]

the body of water has to fill naturally over time with rainwater which takes a ridiculously long time; extending out the perimeter of ilmeris meaningfully would lower the water level consequentially

[thick slate]

oh i was referring to how farms irl use lots of water

especially cattle farm

[west plume]

ah

i guess that's a lil bit more of a modern problem tho

i don't think we've established how food works in the cal setting

@spare pier how technologically advanced are most farms in the heartlands

[thick slate]

cmon guys my super realistic dnd calamity world needs this

[west plume]

u hate me

i try to get calamity to be the awesomest fantasy setting ever and this is how u treat me tayylor...

[thick slate]

i wasnt being sarcastic dude

smh

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-fortnite-fortnite-ishowspeed-cheeks-ishowspeed-blow-gif-8384090200881199846

[west plume]

wtf can u share ur sheet

[thick slate]

for the world

[west plume]

yeah

[thick slate]

google dockey

nah i havent actually made calamity

i havemade desert scourge boss

thats all

[pulsar ocean]

the fun part

[thick slate]

yes

[west plume]

i wonder if it was a case of the empire having the only large scale farms and most surrounding villages and towns in modern day being subsistence

[thick slate]

i love creating bosses

[spare pier]

I have no idea

[west plume]

i imagine since yharim's empire has a war economy that a lot of the empire is just farmland belonging to the empire's global south

[noble falcon]

Auric Tesla town slime you get by throwing Yharim’s boss mask into a slime

He will purge the unworthy
Or, he would, if he were not so small.
But someday!

[west plume]

?? the metal recognizes the slime as one of the true auric dragons

maybe it's the reincarnation of zeratros' soul...

[noble falcon]

I am 100% positive there is at least one slime that got something that makes it worthy stuck inside of it
They will get anything stuck to them

[thick slate]

slime god

yea

him

[raven brook]

calamity town slimes would be cute ngl

[west plume]

slime god is super unworthy

[raven brook]

town pets in general. .. .

triangle has plans for a few i think

[thick slate]

huge

[wanton pendant]

Slime God technically isn't a slime if you think about it.

[west plume]

it's a guy who thought of himself as a slime

[wanton pendant]

Perhaps a plan for a kid... if they were wimpy enough.

[noble falcon]

We should get an update that’s just like 20 new town slimes
Make a whole slime society

[wanton pendant]

Miku.

[simple tangle]

been reading absolute superman

idk if its just looks, but absolute brainiac reminds me a lot of draedon

[noble falcon]

Not
Not quite broski
This is clearly Luka

[wanton pendant]

Once again, I bet this is a superficial comparison.
Like Draedon being like Ultron.

[worthy sierra]

Are the weakest gods stronger than the average human by a long shot or is slime god really just supposed to be that weak

[raven brook]

I mean, have you seen all of the common npcs

merchant, guide, arms dealer, etc

that is what a "average human" would be

and i can guarantee you they ain't doing much against uh

any of the bosses

[agile matrix]

no they do okay against king slime

[raven brook]

they still die in like two or three hits to it, though

might be able to actually deal some nice damage if you get them to hit the boss while baiting it away tho

[worthy sierra]

So slime god is still miles more powerful than any normal human?

But a human that eats rocks that give you more health manages to kill him?

[worthy sierra]

Now that I think about it

Are life crystals crunchy

Or is it like rock candy

[agile matrix]

life crystals are not game diagetic to lore

id presume you just absorb the power of the rock and then feel healthier

[worthy sierra]

I still like the idea of the terrarian crunching on rocks like a cat

[raven brook]

Life crystals are diagetic, wdym

[worthy sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/kidney-stones-crunchy-cat-monkeycatluna-pookie-pookie-bear-gif-12106881955351277993

Why embed fail :(

[raven brook]

I mean, those caverns also are full of hostiel fauna and monsters

Not to mention the average person could get lost and starve

Or break all their bones after falling in a pit

The terrarian is kind of just exceptional and does things the averagep erson wouldnt be capable of

[worthy sierra]

I forgot respawning isn't canon

[distant smelt]

Canon terrarian is just built exceptionally different no matter how you look at it

[light linden]

that depends on the era I think

I feel like in the draconic era travelling through caves was a necessary skill for most people

[raven brook]

fair but i imagine mortality rate definitely wouldve been rather high outside of underground towns

much like how irl in olden times hunters sometimes wouldnt come back from their trips

[eager bluff]

well sure but when you talk about living longer than average you arent considering the average lifespan of people in the 1200s

as an example

[light linden]

also I forgot to expand on something earlier

[light linden]

I get the feeling that the first 50-100 years after Fovos was a situation not dissimilar to the Bronze Age Collapse

also it's worth mentioning

I'm like 90% sure that underground civilizations that weren't lava layer or below likely felt at least some of the effects of it

namely the surface's temperature falling

I feel like the Vernal Pass and Illmeris would have felt the most

since they had much more developed ecosystems that would have to rapidly adapt to a much lower temperature in the upper layers

for the love of

I thought someone cared about my autistic ranting

@brazen coral please vaporize the bot

[raven brook]

Probably yeah, just not as much as the ones living directly in the surface

The closer one is to the surface the more major the impact wouldve been

[light linden]

oh thanks cheese

[magic epoch]

there's a other one

[light linden]

surface wasn't livable until after the fovos attack

[magic epoch]

there it is

[light linden]

go away

[raven brook]

It was, to some extent

Not particularly hospitable or easy to live in but to some extent it was liveable

[light linden]

I still wonder what happened to the oceans

[raven brook]

I mean we do know draconic monks and Chrysadia existed

I imagien that

[light linden]

since they'd likely be much shallower

[light linden]

tmk the latter is the exception

[raven brook]

Tbh assuming there used to be ice caps before zeratros made the sun hotter they might be

deeper

That could be a possibility

[light linden]

from what I'm understanding of the pre fovos surface

[raven brook]

I don't think the surface was inhospitable, just a hard place to survive in for humans due to the heat, and some regions where the sun has a smaller reach could be home to smawn villages and settlements

I figure it would be kind of like the carboniferous/permian

very hot world all around predominantly covered by deserts, rainforests, swamps and savannahs

is it IMPOSSIBLE to live here? no, but

well more specifically

some places would be straight up hellish to live in

others, would be more hospitable, allowing for small settlements and villages

[light linden]

it sounds like the early triassic

dry as all hell one moment

stormy hell the other

[raven brook]

but overall underground would be a more globally better choice

Specially for the creation of major civilizations over smaller villages and settlements

i mean

Illmeris, Azafure and the Vernal Pass all are underground so

[light linden]

the water cycle would be sped up dramatically by the hotter sun

[raven brook]

there seems to be a pattern that all big civilizations atleast in the heartlands were, or atleast started underground

terraria underground is far more lively than irl undderground so i mean

makes sense lol

[light linden]

I still wonder if the giant trees are from the late draconic era

[light linden]

there are trees that have lived thousands of years

and considering how (from my understanding) the trees would struggle to get sunlight for long peroids of time unless they grew extremely tall

[raven brook]

would make sense yeah

i imagine life magic mightve played ap art too

using it as a replacement for sunlihgt, maybe

[light linden]

also this is probably too much to hope for but I hope astral infection creates something more unique when it hits giant trees some day

tmk it just turns the living wood into living monolith (which I think is unique to it?) and nukes all the tree's leaves

[plucky juniper]

honestly i think the monoliths should just do entirely away with the branches

its really inconsistent with the backgrounds and i just like those monoliths far more

[long bloom]

[noble falcon]

they could add astral versions of the living wands

[pulsar ocean]

I’d probably beat up yharim in a fistfight

[timber glacier]

But hed punch you like he did that one table

[fathom locust]

can you punch away mountains

[timber glacier]

Do the lunar fragments in calamity still actually have anything to do with there related cosmic namesake or it just entirely unrelated

[hollow pivot]

Minos Prime could be Yharim with prep time.

[wanton pendant]

Only related to the dragons, Moon Lord isn't even from space.

[timber glacier]

Are they in universe named after the related space thing because they made people think of them when figuring out a name, or is that just cos they’re named that in vanilla and they don’t which to change that

[wanton pendant]

Probably.

[timber glacier]

Probably which one?

[wanton pendant]

Both.

[timber glacier]

What

[west plume]

all nebula fragments were made in a real genuine nebula

[timber glacier]

But like aren’t stars in calamity not at all like irl stars

So like do nebulas and solar flares and stuff even occur in cal’s universe

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Well, the sun isn't a star, so there's that.

[timber glacier]

They’re made of mana right

Stars that is

[wanton pendant]

Stars are, yes.

[west plume]

matter and gravity still exist so genuine stars which operate through regular fusion exist and not every star is 100% made of mana

[long bloom]

whuh

bwuh

[west plume]

aside from the fact that the universe is non-heliocentric there's nothing stopping there from being natural processes by which matter can reassemble

[wanton pendant]

THIS MEANS BLACK HOLES EXIST, WHICH IS CLEARLY THE CRITICAL PIECE OF LORE WE NEEDED, BABY!

[spare pier]

I'm braziling too much rn

[timber glacier]

Sealed singularities are literally that tho already i thought

[wanton pendant]

Brazil mention.

[pulsar ocean]

How do you know

[west plume]

geocentric. thats the word

[long bloom]

it's not a literal black hole 😭

[spare pier]

Dw I also get the two confused all the time

[west plume]

i am a space nerd and i talked for around 4 solid hours with madeline about it

[spare pier]

[wanton pendant]

That's a donor item.

And also, obviously isn't an actual black hole.

[spare pier]

Also yes we talked about it a lot one day when I was writing the document on how Mana worked

And where we reached the consensus of

[west plume]

Mana in calamity is sort of a second fundamental particle that can be spent to create matter or energy depending on what will is put into it; it's existence doesn't necessarily predate or obscure regular matter or physics. so stars like the sun can be hydrogen burning or completely magical

[spare pier]

"Mana is a fundamental part of every star but there's other normal star stuff there too"

[timber glacier]

But like even it wasn’t an actual one it implies that they do exist and its named after one, but since its donor I guess it don’t count

[west plume]

i dont know why actual black holes wouldnt exist. the concept of density exists in calamity

there could always have been singularities

[long bloom]

is spacetime made of mana or is it still antimatter or whatever it is irl

[wanton pendant]

Donor items aren't canon, and just the concept of something existing in a narrative doesn't mean it actually does.
I read an entire book that hinges on a prophecy about a dragon being a metaphor and dragons not actually being real.

[timber glacier]

Event horizon does also mention black holes in its tooltip

[west plume]

spacetime is spacetime

[long bloom]

true

[spare pier]

The only thing stopping them would be if stars couldn't get massive enough to form them which we don't have settled

[timber glacier]

But does like the sun in calamity have like very small mass? Cos like why does it orbit the planet

[wanton pendant]

That one does actually reference actual black holes.

[west plume]

mana is a second fundamental particle and not like... the composition of dimensions

[wanton pendant]

It's smaller and made of special light magic.

[long bloom]

the largest star we know of is house sized, mentioned in embers

[west plume]

it orbits the planet because calamity's top scientists haven't figured out relativity yet

[long bloom]

so yeah definitely not big enough for a black hole

[spare pier]

I generally think stars in Calamity are much smaller than irl stars but not by that much, and I don't think getting into the numbers would be ideal

[west plume]

i kinda think it would make no sense if the planet was less massive than the sun and the sun was truly it's satellite. if it's a small sun i'd rather it be dense than less massive

[noble falcon]

Is the sun wearing sunglasses when you do canon

[wanton pendant]

Sure, why not.

[west plume]

the sun doesnt wear sunglasses. stop staring at the sun

[long bloom]

yes

[timber glacier]

yeah xeroc sees you wearing glasses and wants to join

[west plume]

how is xeroc gonna project darkness over the sun

[noble falcon]

It’s literally for an achievement broski, what am I supposed to do, not be a completionist

[raven brook]

Thats what im SAYINNN
IVE BEEN SAYING THISSS

[long bloom]

primordial dark

[raven brook]

Just because we dont ever See things dosent mean they cant exist

Nothing at all disproves the possibility of

• other primordial light bodies
• other planets with life and/or world souls
• other stars that are larger than just Fallen Star Terraria

[wanton pendant]

THAT DAMN MOON BEING ALIVE!

[timber glacier]

We know theres other planets

Like mars

[raven brook]

That ones just true

Moons evil

[spare pier]

Moon's evil

[west plume]

maybe u should take the guy out of the moon

and place him elsewhere

like on mars

[spare pier]

Moon was evil before that

[wanton pendant]

I'm worried about Moon Lord, poor guy is trapped on the moon!

[timber glacier]

Just throw him in the sun smh

[wanton pendant]

And the MOON is EVIL and HAUNTED!

[west plume]

what wizard cursed the moon initially

why is it soul eater moon

[timber glacier]

Hey what if the moon is just misunderstood and actually a good guy

[spare pier]

That gives the Moon Lord unprecedented aura btw like

[wanton pendant]

No.

[raven brook]

I beg of you guys to never give a proper explanation of why the moon is fucked up like that

[west plume]

none of you have ever discussed how the sun is evil for complying with zeratros

[wanton pendant]

It's like that because it's EVIL!

[spare pier]

That guy is so fucked up that people put him in the evil fucked up celestial body that just decides to fuck everything every now and then and everyone started saying "yeah that guy owns the moon now"

[west plume]

i think its pretty shortsighted to keep him in the planet's closest satellite instead of punting him out into space

[timber glacier]

The moon since it orbits the planet opposite the sun I’d guess its the thing which the primordial light almost never reaches so that might’vd caused it

[west plume]

but yknow

[spare pier]

I mean that's hard

[wanton pendant]

If only Immortal was there...

[west plume]

do u think everything that primordial light doesn't reach is evil

do u think pluto is evil

[spare pier]

Pluto is very evil

[wanton pendant]

That's what the Lion King told us.

[timber glacier]

I mean not getting any lead to like it being bitter or somethjng

[spare pier]

Pluto is like

The chihuahua of the solar system

[west plume]

do u think neptune is evil

[timber glacier]

Take that back they’re my innocent goat

[spare pier]

I think Saturn and Jupiter are chill

[wanton pendant]

Yes, after what he did to Mr. Krabs.

[spare pier]

Mercury is like Haephestus he's just fucked

[west plume]

the most light reflective gas giants... okay

[spare pier]

Venus is evil as fuck

[timber glacier]

Uranus is probably chill and just there

[wanton pendant]

Ironic.

[spare pier]

Mars is like neutral

[wanton pendant]

Also ironic.

[spare pier]

And Uranus is chill

[timber glacier]

Well isn’t it like destroyed

[west plume]

if the terraria solar system has a venus i wonder why it hasn't evolved super hitler hell aliens that fly over and gank terrarians

[raven brook]

Haha

[spare pier]

I'm talking about irl solar system

[west plume]

since it does have a mars

[wanton pendant]

So THAT'S what Xeroc's been doing.

[spare pier]

[timber glacier]

Also doesn’t the moon have some visual variants or something

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc on Venus.

[west plume]

yes. it changes to mock you personally

[timber glacier]

Doesn’t one have a ring and another has two smaller moons

[spare pier]

I originally proposed that Terraria had 9 fucking moons but then Ozz said "no" and I was like "damn"

[timber glacier]

Are they like canon in any way

[wanton pendant]

Why does he hate fun?

[west plume]

wtf how massive is terraria

[wanton pendant]

I don't care how canon they are, they're EVIL!

[spare pier]

The joke is too easy I can't make it

[timber glacier]

One even seems to have two smaller moons, so THEY;RE MULTIPLYING

[west plume]

all of the moons are canon. that's the moon of terraria. it's evil

[west plume]

its normal to have submoons

see pluto

who is not evil

[spare pier]

Actually I take back what I said Pluto is the tragic villain

[timber glacier]

But like pluto aint evil, so its babies aren’t, but the moon’s kids must also be pure evil

[spare pier]

Who then gets redeemed

[wanton pendant]

Not the moon.

[west plume]

the moon occasionally rips apart it's children to gain rings. it's a viscious cycle

[timber glacier]

Is pluto canon to Calamity

[spare pier]

Probably not

[wanton pendant]

We call that aura farming nowadays.

[timber glacier]

[west plume]

the calamity solar system is fucked up

[spare pier]

I don't even think there's really a solar system it's just Terraria and Mars

[west plume]

thats fucked up

[spare pier]

Maybe there's other planets around but they don't have life

[timber glacier]

Does mars orbit the sun? Or is it just there too

[wanton pendant]

Draedon calls it a cluster of planets I believe.

[spare pier]

We already have an entire fucking world to build I don't want to deal with more

[west plume]

mars orbits terraria. everything orbits terraria. terraria is the center of the universe

[timber glacier]

Terraria must be very dense then

[long bloom]

chat is this real

[west plume]

nah. it was just spawned in at 0,0,0

[timber glacier]

Cos of all the content bloat

[spare pier]

Syrup is joking

I had some stuff thought about how they worked but it's like

Flimsy at best

[west plume]

i think only the solar system specifically is geocentric because terraria is a weird fucked up magical object but most extrasolar star systems might operate more normally

[spare pier]

They probably do

[timber glacier]

Maybe like all the magic in it causes it to function as if it were denser

[wanton pendant]

And probably don't have magic satellites that want to kill everyone.

[west plume]

theres a chance that terraria itself is also evil and magically made the solar system it desired

[wanton pendant]

This leads into the next theory:
Calamitas doesn't float.

[long bloom]

unrelated question: could a human have ascended with a world soul shard if there were any left

[wanton pendant]

Probably.

[long bloom]

i'm asking the devs 🐴

[spare pier]

Dragons don't have any sort of biological mechanism that makes it unique to them I can say that much

[timber glacier]

How big was the world soul even

[west plume]

the size of the whole world

[spare pier]

Worldly

[wanton pendant]

Bigger than a grapefruit.

[long bloom]

i don't think souls have sizes

[west plume]

how big is Your soul?

have you weighed it?

[long bloom]

no

[spare pier]

I have

[wanton pendant]

I'll call Anubis.

[spare pier]

It's not lighter than a feather

[timber glacier]

Idk how big mine is but like my shoes’ is like 30cm

[west plume]

not your sole. your soul

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's probably right.

[timber glacier]

Also like don’t they have sizes?

Like we can see how big like a soul of night is

[long bloom]

wait actually i would have thousands of tiny souls

don't ask me why

[west plume]

?

[wanton pendant]

Souls of Night probably aren't even like, conventional souls.

[timber glacier]

I guess but the mech boss soul drops would beright?

Cos they;re from the yharmy or whatever

[west plume]

i think they operate by ghost logic and the thing you see is the manifestation or 'meat' of the actual spirit

[wanton pendant]

Sure, but we have no idea how many people are used to make each indiviudal soul, it could be a mini-Polterghast situation.

[timber glacier]

Wait why do wyverns drop multiple now that i think bout it

[west plume]

i dont think souls themselves are tangible and they have to manifest in some way in the material world willingly or unwillingly in order to have properties like Volume

[long bloom]

each segment has its own soul

[timber glacier]

Its all their children that they carry inside them totally

[west plume]

this is true of all worm bosses. have u seen how sepulcher drops 0 souls of flight

[wanton pendant]

I don't think Sepulcher is alive.

[timber glacier]

Are the undead alive? Like they aren’t really dead but neither alive

[west plume]

so you could Weigh or Size the manifestation but you can't Weigh or Size a soul arbitrarily unless it's an auric soul and literally always manifesting all the time

[west plume]

they're dead as hell

[long bloom]

they're undead

[wanton pendant]

They're basically just puppeted corpses at most.

[west plume]

aint nothing in those

well. most of the time

[wanton pendant]

Even the best necromancer could only bring back protective instincts.

[timber glacier]

Don’t like catastrophe and cataclysm have some remnants of who they were i thought

[west plume]

those are shells

[wanton pendant]

Just protective instincts.

[timber glacier]

I thought i saw something about them still caring for scal

[long bloom]

it's literally just
"protect sister"

[wanton pendant]

And that's all like, the best necromancer we know of could do.

[long bloom]

absolutely nothing else

[west plume]

if you dream nailed them you wouldn't be able to get any dialogue

[timber glacier]

Calamitas lore is kind of insane and she must have so much trauma

[wanton pendant]

You think?

She's basically Shadow the Hedgehog.

[long bloom]

"in her mind her demon lies, ever patient, until the end of time."

[west plume]

imagine how much additional trauma she's had from the dark visions that come from absorbing a fuckton of malicious magic

[timber glacier]

Probably more trauma than him cos like she ended up killing like two whole civilisations

[wanton pendant]

Average Calamitas backstory moment:

[wanton pendant]

Shadow nearly killed literally everyone in his grief.

And then aliens tried to make him do it again.

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like she killed like the only people who cared for her and protected her by accident

[west plume]

i headcanon that calamitas is one of the few individuals that can actually see dead things directly without them having to manifest and she's seeing dead things and dead people all the time

[timber glacier]

That sounds horrible

[wanton pendant]

Say that again.

[timber glacier]

I couldn’t boar to deal with that

[west plume]

this update is the snort of something pig

[timber glacier]

also is there a reason why brimstone elemental woke up and went murder rime

[wanton pendant]

Also no indication that Calamitas killed her brothers.

[wanton pendant]

It just does that.

[long bloom]

yes but we dunno

[west plume]

no one really knows, she's an elemental and doesn't operate by human thought processes

[timber glacier]

I thought we know that the fight between cal and brim caused their deaths

Wait but like isn’t silva also an elemental yet from what we’ve seen she seems to think kind of like a human

[wanton pendant]

It's more likely that they died and that's why Calamitas had the resolve to not go insane when she got her power.

[west plume]

silva also wants to think like a human

[wanton pendant]

She's also the least murderous.

[timber glacier]

But like why didn’t azafure have any preparations in case brimmy woke up

Like are they stupid

Why didn’t they get obsidian skin potions smh

[west plume]

what are you supposed to do? spray water on her?

[long bloom]

they probably didn't anticipate her annihilating all her worshippers

[timber glacier]

Well i guess they’d need brimflame armour but still to be immune to brimstone flames

[west plume]

oops, looks like the rose mother woke up after lying dormant for several thousand years. guess we'll use the super soakers we prepared for this eventuality

[timber glacier]

But like they didn’t have like a evacuation plan in case of a fire

[woeful hatch]

Do remember the brimstone elemental was like way stronger back then

[timber glacier]

Like your in hell are you dumb

[west plume]

i dont think it was like normal fire at all

i think the vast majority of people were flash vitrified

ima be fr

[wanton pendant]

How do you evacuate the embodiment of heat deciding that you don't get to live anymore?

[timber glacier]

Split up or something so that maybe some may get away at least

[west plume]

just drink some ice water bro it'll protect you from the searing 10,000c temperatures

[long bloom]

given that the natural state is fire and everything is already fireproof, there's no reason to anticipate Turbo Death Fire

[west plume]

Why didn't they anticipate for the surface of the sun to visit them personally? Are they stupid?

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

Also like why didn’t they like use even like a demon conch to go to the centre of hell

[long bloom]

wait true

[wanton pendant]

Bro, just use Rod of Discord to get to the Abyss, it's got water!

[timber glacier]

Like they would 100% have some probs for quicker trade routes even

[timber glacier]

[woeful hatch]

Does your city have an evacuation plan for a nuclear bomb

(Not that brimmy was that level of power necessarily, idk exactly how powerful she was, but the rapidity and extent of her devastation was really large and wide and destructive and fast)

[west plume]

i think because their brains evaporated in 2 microseconds bro

[timber glacier]

Idk I just think if I was in that situation i could’ve made it out (joke)

[west plume]

You're in your house reading the azafure daily news. You see someone pass your window and halfway through they're hit by a mirage of heat that turns them instantly into molten slag. You flip the page. You are molten slag

[timber glacier]

Just hit inventory with autopause

[wanton pendant]

Just parry.

[timber glacier]

I will say though it just feels stupid that the like fire city got burnt down

Like it does sound a little dumb

[west plume]

i wouldn't even say Burnt

i don't think a lot of the azafure caught on fire

[timber glacier]

I know it didn’t burn down but like it got destroyed by fire

[west plume]

the temperature was unreasonable since it was a freshly awoken embodiment of heat

[woeful hatch]

It just got destroyed/melted

Because the brimstone elemental was REALLY powerful back then

[west plume]

i would dare say that brimmy probably didn't start off with flames as that's an inefficient method of heat transfer

and she only used flames when calamitas bluetooth drained her

[timber glacier]

I will say with brimmy in lore in the past vs current day she really fell off

[woeful hatch]

Well yeah

[west plume]

she needs a glowup but ozz will never let me implement freshly awoken brimstone elemental into calamity mod official

[wanton pendant]

Curse of not going to the gym.

[timber glacier]

Also so like is she just called brimstone elemental and her element is heat or is it just brimstone

[woeful hatch]

Calamitas' power comes from brimmy for the most part

She took most of her powers (but she DID get stronger than original brimmy because she actually trained with them and honed them)

That's why current brimmy is so much weaker

[west plume]

brimstone isnt an element

[wanton pendant]

Heat.

[west plume]

she is a heat elemental

[timber glacier]

But like why is she called brimstone elemental

[wanton pendant]

Weeeeeellllll....

[west plume]

no, brimmy is not a sulfur elemental

[woeful hatch]

"The perfect blade of the Underworld, wielding the power of Brimstone directly.
Humans understand this force as Havoc, the inevitable sundering of all order in fire."

Devil devastation tooltip

Brimstone is essentially the representation of havoc, chaos

[timber glacier]

Brimmy is a sulfur cube confirmed

[woeful hatch]

That's why she's so powerful

[timber glacier]

also like can I please ask is there a lore reason why earth elemental is called that despite not being one? Or is it just because he was called that before elemental lore was thought up

Like why is he

[west plume]

ask @spare pier

[wanton pendant]

Because the name is old.

[spare pier]

The name is old

[long bloom]

it's old!

[timber glacier]

can we just like rename him them to like earth construct or something

[west plume]

mr. earth

[woeful hatch]

Rocky, for friends

[long bloom]

can we just like remove him

[wanton pendant]

Well technically it's an impostor Brimstone Elemental.

[spare pier]

I would rather you interpret this yourselves and come to a conclusion than spelling out my own

I will say that this is a lot more metaphorical than actually physical

[timber glacier]

thats extra dumb since like his names the wrong elemental

[west plume]

earth doesnt even look like brimstone 💔

[wanton pendant]

Blame the Azafurians for not giving it fire powers!

[woeful hatch]

I see, I see.

[spare pier]

My interpretation relies heavily on the "humans understand" part than anything else

But yeah

[woeful hatch]

So it's less brimstone being a representation of havoc (as the humans understand it), and more like, Havoc is just one of the facets of brimstone, in this case? Like, humans only see it as havoc, but it's actually not that (or at least, not JUST that.)

[wanton pendant]

I think they just call it that because fire is wild and uncontrollable in its natural state.

[long bloom]

she just said she's not gonna spell it out

[woeful hatch]

Right right

[spare pier]

I'm also going to sleep

Good night

[woeful hatch]

Gn Madeline!

[timber glacier]

Actually now that I think about it all the elementals are so much weaker ingame than like how strong they can be

[wanton pendant]

All but one of them don't even know what a gym is.
The remaining one is blended.

[timber glacier]

Like sky and earth are just represented by minibosses

Brimmy is an early harmode boss and anahita is like half a boss

And like silva doesn’t even show up, and is currently kinda dead

Being representations of major elements yet being so weak feels odd

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone Elemental got her knees taken out like 16 years ago.

Anahita is still extremely powerful.

Earth Elemental and Air Elemental are divided heavily.

Silva is soup.

[timber glacier]

If anahita is so strong why does she need her like big fish wife to fight you

[wanton pendant]

We don't even know what that fish is.
It could easily be something created by Anahita, or an extension of herself.

[timber glacier]

How could she make a fish tho, like wouldn’t that moreso be a life thing

[woeful hatch]

Have you seen anahita herself? She's not just water shaped like a person

[wanton pendant]

Fish made of water.

[woeful hatch]

She looks like half fish

Both her and leviathan could be made of the same stuff

[timber glacier]

Also bestiary also supposedly calls leviathan a reptile

[woeful hatch]

...yes and?

[timber glacier]

But like anahita is fishlike and like it would be weird for it to be an extension of the fish water lady to be a big reptile

Like that be a bit weird to me

[wanton pendant]

This is one, what's the issue.

[timber glacier]

Because thats literally made of water

Also she directly visibly uses ice in the fight

[wanton pendant]

Reptile made of water.

[timber glacier]

Reptiles are made of life

Wrong elemental

You don’t see brimmy summoning birds

[wanton pendant]

Brimlings can fly, and they are egg shaped.
Thus, they are birds.

[timber glacier]

Also like it being a reptile is from the bestiary which like is an unbiased source and says that as a fact

Which suggests its biological

[long bloom]

does it matter

[timber glacier]

Not really its just that like if it is part of her then it does mean shes like a lot stronger currently but like idk

[wanton pendant]

Said Bestiary EXPLICITLY states that it could be 'simply manifested into existence like her master. '

[timber glacier]

It says that it is unknown if thats the case

[wanton pendant]

But that it COULD be the case.

[timber glacier]

So could it being the last of its kind which it also says

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

But it COULD have literally just spawned in.

Which is stated in your own source.

[timber glacier]

It doesn’t even say it could, it moreso just says like we don’t know if this is true

The Leviathan: "A gargantuan marine reptile that lurks the ocean depths along with the Water Elemental, Anahita. It is unknown if she is the last of her kind, or was simply manifested into existence like her master."

[wanton pendant]

In which case we don't know if it's a normal animal.

So it could be created by Anahita.

[timber glacier]

It explicitially calls it a reptile, kind of suggesting it would be at least decently probably normal animal-adjacent

Cos reptiles are normal animals

[wanton pendant]

But it also states that it might LITERALLY have just MANIFESTED into being there.

And as such is not a normal animal.

[timber glacier]

Like it could but idk at this point

[wanton pendant]

Much like how Anahita, despite being some kind of fish, is not a normal animal.

[timber glacier]

If the literally only unbiased most knowledgeable source doesn’t know we will probably not know

Also like anahita isn’t really a fish cos she is the elemental

[wanton pendant]

It's intentionally a secret.

[feral skiff]

did the concept of Gods exist before Xeroc ascended?

[sinful adder]

Yes and no

[pulsar ocean]

idk bro probably

[sinful adder]

People worshipped things, but this was a mostly separate concept

[craggy sparrow]

Just recently finished the stars above mod

yeah yharim got nothing on this

[woeful hatch]

The idea of worship did exist, but gods, as they currently are in calamity, no.

[robust osprey]

sauron are u a good

[woeful hatch]

Everyone should strive to be a good (person).

[robust osprey]

ur bad imo

ur too dark

and stuff

[woeful hatch]

I said strive, not immediately be smh

You tupid

[robust osprey]

don't care

stabs u

[woeful hatch]

You're so weak your arms would break if you tried stabbing me

[robust osprey]

wrong

strong claws

[soft flame]

[real elm]

Hi! I want to know EVERYTHING about the lor of this fashion, who understands it?

[robust osprey]

there's a lore doc pinned here

it has basically all u need to know :p

[pulsar ocean]

why are u horse if ur cat

[robust osprey]

disguise

[turbid wyvern]

im really happy to see noxus is still in the lore i havent checked the lore since like 2023 and i thought since the old developer did not like WotG they would remove any association of it within the main mod

that being said, does the developer team plan to add all of these things from the lore document at some point in time? because it seems literally impossible to do so theres just so much

[raven brook]

Noxus isnt a wotg thing

[turbid wyvern]

well, it previously was

[raven brook]

Nono

[turbid wyvern]

i know it didnt originate from WotG

[raven brook]

Ah nvm

Yeah fabsol didnt touch the lore at all so he has had basically no influence on it

[turbid wyvern]

i see

[raven brook]

It's pretty doable specially with collaboration of programming & art teams to implement things in immersive ways

[mighty zenith]

he didnt even know what it was until like, a couple months before he got kicked out

[raven brook]

I'd say probably

[turbid wyvern]

such a lackluster passion

[raven brook]

I doubt whoever called themselves a god for the first time made the term up

Out of thin air

And i doubt people who worshipped beings like elementals, signus or AD wouldnt have reffered to them as gods or deities in some occasions. I mean dude its called Astrum Deus

[turbid wyvern]

is there some sort of roadmap that is publicly available of things that the dev team wants to add in order?

[raven brook]

Nah

[turbid wyvern]

alright

[raven brook]

Plans are mostly kept under wraps until they're closer to completion

Theres a pig update coming soon though

[turbid wyvern]

pig?

[raven brook]

Yeah pig

Swine

Boar, even

Hog one could say

[turbid wyvern]

is there a trailer or something of the sort for this

what it will add

[raven brook]

#mod-announcements

[turbid wyvern]

okay ty

[raven brook]

It's gonna add piga

Pigs

[turbid wyvern]

i assumed that was just an april fools

[raven brook]

No it's real they're adding pigs

[turbid wyvern]

i figure there won't be any big content updates for the 10th anniversary given the brainstorm update came out just a bit ago

[raven brook]

When is that again actually?

[turbid wyvern]

in june i think

or july

[raven brook]

Yeah def not

Maybe we'll get an announcemenf though

Or teasers, i dunnk

[turbid wyvern]

that'd be prettycool

[raven brook]

Or pigs

Probably pigs

[turbid wyvern]

pigs will come out before probably i read its a smaller update

[worthy sierra]

Is the planty mush really the parts of silva or something or is it just the manifestation of her elemental-ness

[wanton pendant]

So she got blended.

[worthy sierra]

Also why on earth was the life fruit upgrades renamed

SIX SEVEN

[magic epoch]

have you died

[magic epoch]

They shared a name with vanilla tree fruits

dragonfruit, blood orange, and elderberry

but be honest. Sanguine Tangerine is fucking peak

[raven brook]

Six sevennn

[cloud ibex]

the blood debt remains

[fathom locust]

Greasy Pete

[leaden bridge]

Comedy gold

One second i need. I'll waste a nitro on this one aecond

[timber glacier]

Comedy mould

[leaden bridge]

[fathom locust]

22 queen bee

[robust osprey]

tetotastic

[stark flame]

Why did Yharim fall out with Draedon over bees

[worldly spindle]

Those bees had life

and had nothing to do with his crusade

[noble falcon]

He likes bees and Draedon made them evil bees

[worldly spindle]

It's worth noting that Yharim grew up in the jungle

I'm sure he has a soft spot for nature

[robust osprey]

uuh was he?

I think it's more beacuse he REALLY hates slavery

and plague is essentialy enslaving animals

[worldly spindle]

I don't think he had an issue with slavery as a concept moreso than who was being enslaved

Yharim did a lot of nasty things to achieve his goals. But he only ever intentionally harmed those he deemed guilty.

Not just gods, but their worshippers.

The creatures of the jungle were an innocent party, and it devastated Yharim to see their will assimilated.

[eternal veldt]

He has a crush on queen bees

[stark flame]

A weird obsession with bees

[cloud ibex]

no it was definitely because of the slavery

he makes it pretty blatant

[wanton pendant]

He's against slavery.
Emotional manipulation is fine though.

[cloud ibex]

i doubt it would make much of a difference in his eyes if it was like. turtles or something, he'd still be pissed off

it just happened to be an insect he thinks is neat

[eternal veldt]

Just look at his whispers about the queen bee 🥀 bro def has a crush

[worldly spindle]

Never argued it just being bees

[cloud ibex]

brother he just thinks they're cool

[worldly spindle]

I said "creatures of the jungle"

[stark flame]

[eternal veldt]

NUH UHH i love my headcanon :3

[worldly spindle]

So yeah turtles would fall under that too

[cloud ibex]

i don't have a crush on snakes just because they're my favorite animal i just think they're cute

[cloud ibex]

💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[worldly spindle]

I 100% believe Yharim would enslave a god worshipper if he thought them to be useful.

He already held prisoners

[wanton pendant]

I don't think he would.

Imprisonment and slavery are not the exact same thing.

[eternal veldt]

All of them are dead 🥀

[cloud ibex]

what i mean is that he absolutely does have an issue with slavery as a concept

like he straight up says so

[worldly spindle]

Hmm

[eternal veldt]

Yharim likes the jungle!??!?! TRUELY EVIL!!!

Also

Is the jungle. One of silva's domains?

[cloud ibex]

he describes the act of enslaving them as "vile" and "despicable", and states he would never "shackle a creature to fight in [his] name"

[wanton pendant]

It has nature, so, like, duh?

[worldly spindle]

Maybe it's a mix of both? Just based off the fact he used the word "creature".

[wanton pendant]

Being anti-slavery is meant to stem from him likely being a former slave.

[eternal veldt]

Why would they make a slave god king

[cloud ibex]

and, though this is dipping into dev statement theory, considering some devs have implied he used to be a slave himself, i find it very hard to believe that he doesn't have an issue with enslaving something as long as it "deserves" it

[wanton pendant]

Because he was always meant to be a puppet.

[cloud ibex]

i guess they thought they could control him

[eternal veldt]

I see

[worldly spindle]

I didn't know Yharim was a slave

I thought he was just the GOAT of his civilization

[wanton pendant]

The issue being that they never broke his spirit, so he defies them.

[cloud ibex]

i suppose it could've been?

[eternal veldt]

Well either way bro loves dragons so it doesn't matter what he used to be. Im still gonna try to fold him when his boss fight gets released

[worldly spindle]

And like, even if it's not defined as slavery, we know he still doesn't have an issue with using people to some extent to aid his cause.

[cloud ibex]

probably cause i don't think it's ever been stated or hinted at in-game

just mentioned in here

[cloud ibex]

yeah cause he's a hypocrite

[eternal veldt]

Maybe we'll get more of his lore when he actually gets released

Also. Would there be more to come after yharim based on the boss rush dialogue?

[cloud ibex]

he doesn't want to literally force someone to do what he wants them to, but he is willing to manipulate people to get his way and kill them if they refuse

[cloud ibex]

maybe

[wanton pendant]

Noxus and Xeroc, in terms of bosses.

[stark flame]

Bend him into a foldable phone

[eternal veldt]

Yeah i think xeroc would test our strength and then make us help him fight noxus

[wanton pendant]

Maybe, or it could be the Xeroc fight.

[cloud ibex]

it's the difference between outright stating "do what i tell you to or you die" and hiring someone, asking them to do things, and when they refuse you let them go only to send someone to kill them because otherwise they could be a risk to you

[eternal veldt]

Average mafia

[worldly spindle]

What a detestable son of a fishstick

[eternal veldt]

What a surprise innit.

[wanton pendant]

Like Calamitas wasn't a slave!
He just manipulated her and had her believe he'd kill her if she left! Totally different!

[worldly spindle]

She deserves good things man

I love Calamitas so much bro she's like a little sister

Goated character

[eternal veldt]

She took my room just because it has a chair and a table 😭

[stark flame]

Didn't Draedon say he could shut down the Nanoplague? Did he fail afterward?

[worldly spindle]

Yes, that's what NPC housing means

[worldly spindle]

He just doesn't want to lol

[wanton pendant]

He might not actually be able to.

[eternal veldt]

He has a giant gaping hole in his lab

[wanton pendant]

He also doesn't want to.

[cloud ibex]

he believes the gods as a whole were so deplorable that doing some shit that is only arguably not as evil is justified if it means wiping them all out

[eternal veldt]

Surely the sentient toaster isn't doing it out of spite

[wanton pendant]

Nope, just thinks they're neat.

[eternal veldt]

🥀

[young socket]

remember kids indoctrination is not a crime!

[eternal veldt]

I wonder if draedon would help us get to yharim since he wanna watch us fight

[young socket]

he cant

[cloud ibex]

he would if he could, most likely

he just has no idea where the fuck the aerie is

[young socket]

draedon literally cant find the aerie

if he could he would but he cant

[cloud ibex]

leading theory is that it's not a question of where it is, but rather when

[eternal veldt]

I know but what if the terrarian found some shit bit can't figure out how. Maybe we can get help to draedon

[young socket]

then yea he would try to help

[eternal veldt]

I wonder how the terrarian would even find the aerie in the frsst place 😭

[worldly spindle]

Why would we ever wanna help Draedon

[cloud ibex]

i believe it was said a while ago that once you get to the aerie yourself you'll be able to tell him where it is

but no idea if that still holds

[eternal veldt]

Cool mechs >:D

[worldly spindle]

He does not care about you

Well

[stark flame]

He’s probably got a severe hunchback, lol.

[worldly spindle]

Rephrase

He finds you fascinating just because of how powerful you are but bro is NOT your friend

[eternal veldt]

Pretty sure bro has a tracker implanted on our ass. After one bullet accedentally hit in the bossfight

[raven brook]

You're kinda automatically helping Draedon, willing or not, by killing yharim

[worldly spindle]

Happy birthday cheese

[raven brook]

He NEEDS to know how it'll affect the trout population

TY!!!

[eternal veldt]

I know. I know... BUTTT!!!! He supplies me cool mechs >:D i don't care if he's my friend or not. I want my gundam

[worldly spindle]

HE DONT FW YOU

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-cat-aggressive-attack-meow-gif-12107784302537770244

[raven brook]

He can cooperate if he has a reason to, he does give you his forge

[young socket]

he fucks with me cuz im built different

[worldly spindle]

oh true

[robust osprey]

today is moon day

[young socket]

he isnt friendly but he also isnt antagonistic

[eternal veldt]

That didn't came out the way you expected it. please rephrase it.

[young socket]

hes an acquaintance basically

[raven brook]

He wont help u out of the nonexistent kindness of his heart butt he also wont fuck you over if he has no reason to

[eternal veldt]

Coworker

[young socket]

no

[young socket]

hehe. butt.

[worldly spindle]

grow up vro

[eternal veldt]

Nuh uh

It's hilarious

[raven brook]

Butt

[young socket]

not my fault chee cant spell

[worldly spindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886553063677132801/1185227274946093137/Dead.gif

[wanton pendant]

Is Signus the man behind the slaughter?

[raven brook]

"Draedon give me robots"
'No Terrarian"
"Ill give you providence's liver"
"Yes Terrarian"

[young socket]

he is purple

[eternal veldt]

Exactly how it would go

[eternal veldt]

Btw why won't the powerfull NPCs help me fight bosses that would ultimately benifit terraria 😭

I would understand calamitas since she doesn't want anything to do with yharim anymore

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost is obviously trying to enjoy his early retirement.

[sacred pilot]

What are Shakidou's powers?

They kinda confuse me.

One time I heard it's basically space, the other I heard it's more mental.

[wanton pendant]

Shakidou is the God of Emptiness.

[sacred pilot]

I mean yeah I know.

[wanton pendant]

They have power over emptiness.

I imagine it's like The Hand from JoJo.

[robust osprey]

empties your mind

[stark flame]

So Shakidou’s secretly a Stand user, huh?

[robust osprey]

the stand user could be anyone

[split mortar]

Idk if this is confirmed
Mental emptiness is also completely possible

[wanton pendant]

I said that's what I imagined it acting like.

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[split mortar]

Nothing confirmed
All we know is its emptiness based

[light linden]

been wondering

was the dragon of night the counterpart of zeratros?

[wanton pendant]

Counterpart in what way?

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message

[light linden]

gotcha thanks

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message this also relevant i think

[raven brook]

primordial da

[noble falcon]

Dragon of Hardened Crimsand Block

[light linden]

actually

I wonder if shakidou's essence was imprisoned in the wof

[split mortar]

likely, since shakidou died around mid crusade and dog seems to have been a later addition to the crusade

[light linden]

wonder if they're part of the souls of night

[split mortar]

maybe, we lack a lot of info so its prob the best guess we got rn

[light linden]

still wonder what'll happen with providence's essence btw

[split mortar]

divine geodes and as of whats in game, uelibloom are from it

[light linden]

wonder why her essence creates metal but not the slime god's

wait a moment

[split mortar]

slimegod dies in the hallowed idk if the sludge is influential enough for it to stand out to the chaos of the hallowed

[light linden]

how do the slime god and providence fly?

[raven brook]

Feels unlikely since evil biomes are explicitly well, evil, and iirc shakidou wasnt really evil

[raven brook]

Tbf,

providence is way stronger as it is right now

[split mortar]

providence has fire wings soprob either those act as literal wings or more like a jet

[raven brook]

But also

slime god is getting reworked and uelibloom is getting shot and killed so

I think you can make sense of it

Somewhat, as it is rn

But realistically that part of it is probably not intended to be canon

Providence has wings yeah i feel tahts pretty, self explanatory
Slime God probably just kinda floats with magic or something. maybe his redesign will give it something more but as it is yeah dudes kinda just a flotaing orb

[light linden]

I still think slime god's redesign should have colored bits of slime dropping from him

[lunar sigil]

How big are the bosses like yknow Providence or devourer of gods

[raven brook]

how big u see them ingame

the size is diagetic

[lunar sigil]

i think slime god can fly via god powers or smth

[split mortar]

maybe slime god floats by using the weird slime control given by the domain, at least i think slime god gets slime telekinesis from it

[raven brook]

me using my slime telekinesis on myself to fling myself really high all over the place constantly so it looks like im flying but im actually just flinging myself like using a gravity gun in gmod

[lunar sigil]

or maybe its that slime core thingy that floats in the air? like something like that

[raven brook]

that is the slime god

[split mortar]

that is the slime god, the big slimes are paladins it controls with slime god powers

[robust osprey]

stupid bouncy ball

[light linden]

I still wonder how yharim would react to goozma

[leaden bridge]

Goozma has a lore item that is literally that. That's what it is. It's based on current lore

like okay obviously if it were official it'd be written differently but there's already an example

[pulsar ocean]

kill

i wonder how does goozma's gel taste like

[leaden bridge]

Oil

[leaden bridge]

I think he'd be fine with it really. I think him reacting like the lore item depicts him would be about accurate, just being really curious about the fact it could happen

[brazen coral]

polonium

[light linden]

everything

also would likely be turbo radioactive

since goozma is basically a star made of slime

[leaden bridge]

not sure if its physically That dense byeah

[stark flame]

How come Providence gets so strong at night?

[raven brook]

Not lore diagetic, will be replaced in the future

[stark flame]

[brazen coral]

hates moon

[wanton pendant]

She doesn't.

That's not even a game mechanic she just doesn't.

Like, it was removed.

[noble falcon]

Right up there with eating auric soul fragments

Goozma would probably feel like pop rocks to eat

[split mortar]

That was already replaced

[split mortar]

She does not

Not even in game as wwg said

[light linden]

they're literal millions of slimes all forced into one being that is only as big as like

25 of the larger slimes

also the bestiary says it is at the point of criticality

and considering it ain't a nuclear reactor

that means star

[real glen]

How does horrible hog bacon taste like

[zenith geode]

horrible probably

[long bloom]

it would be quite the disgusting meat

[noble falcon]

At least somewhat like hog as well

[raw nest]

How does calamitas fly? Both versions

[light linden]

idk

[leaden bridge]

a lot of things in terraria can just fly

thats a thing they can do

[timber glacier]

Probably using hot air from her fire magic to keep herself in the air

[warm gull]

she's a rocketship

[noble falcon]

Extremely fast breaking and placing of echo blocks

[agile matrix]

ice rod from permafrost paint sprayered calamity red

[timber glacier]

But wizard sells that

[light linden]

been wondering

could a bola made with sea prisms instead of the normal rocks be effective?

[long bloom]

scal has a magic platform she stands on, clearly visible in the sprite

[west plume]

scal is actually wearing a pair of rocket boots bought from the goblin and she refuels them using a magic spell permafrost taught her

[long bloom]

nuh uh it's the

what's it called

lazure's barrier thing