lore-discussion

[leaden bridge]

Google what quartz caves look like

I assume sea prisms were already there anyways

Otonilou just enchanted them

[light linden]

likely because replicating the necessary conditions ain't easy with the average level of tech in this world

draedon being an extreme exception

[west plume]

like... crude oil? which started being refined somewhere around 170 years ago right around the end of the industrial revolution? which this setting is supposed to be after?

[leaden bridge]

I mean is it

There are 3 characters in the game capable of properly utilizing technology and draedon is the only one of them who has 600 years of resources, experience and time at hos disposal

Is it really so unbelievable

[west plume]

i just think it's something that would have been already at least a Little tapped before yharim made any pretense of industrializing impossible

[leaden bridge]

well the ilmerians probably did it

😊

[hollow pivot]

The mod seems to go between Medieval and Sci-Fi more than going between Industrial Revolution and Sci-Fi.

[leaden bridge]

Azafure is kinda meant to be industrial but that doesn't reflect in any way at all yet

[west plume]

the medieval thing is partly yharim larping and partly the fact that everyone else in the setting doesn't know if they'll be getting food for their family next month

i think it'll resolve itself once we start including more diegetic technology and also structures from lore civs

[hollow pivot]

I know it's abandoned and all, but the only structures are broken stone houses and broken stone bridges.

[leaden bridge]

but that doesn't reflect in any way at all yet

[hollow pivot]

Are there any Chysidians in-game? (I probably botched that spelling)

[leaden bridge]

no

Idt so at least

[eager bluff]

sky island houses are Kinda chrysadian architecture iirc

[light linden]

very doubtful

their city got destroyed several centuries ago

been too many generations for anyone to claim to be chrysadian atp

[dusk laurel]

i believe it was called a sky civilization and not a sky city, so it doesnt make sense that every single one is now dead

[light linden]

unless chrysadia is also the country name

[cosmic zenith]

Chrysadia is both the nation's name and a synonym to the Sky Islands
There are no publicly known names for any Chrysadia city

[cosmic zenith]

Not currently

[sinful adder]

I hope we get more in game world building lore

Especially stuff not directly related to the things we see in game

[cosmic zenith]

Eventually, yes
I'll make sure of that

[sinful adder]

Cool

I wanna know about the crystal city, for example

[leaden bridge]

Do you think the calamity writing team committed various atrocities in their previous life so now they're locked to this wicked purgatory

[sinful adder]

And even moreso, the other city states that existed in the heartlands

What

[cosmic zenith]

That's all of Calamity bud

Writing is the easy part

[plucky juniper]

OH MODERATORS

[leaden bridge]

Dude how did Yharim affect the market

[noble falcon]

Yharim spends all of his money every month on relaxing scented candles because if he doesn’t, Yharon is going to get whatever the hell the ingame currency for League Of Legends is

[long bloom]

can you specify the difference between chrysadian, chrysonai and chrysonne and when to use them

it's very confusing

[cosmic zenith]

Firstly I should mention that those are probably gonna be revised when I get to work on sky stuff again

[long bloom]

noted

[cosmic zenith]

But to clarify

"Chrysadian" isn't a thing

"Chrysonne" is the singular form
"Chrysonai" is the plural form

[long bloom]

ok ty

[cosmic zenith]

Np

[real glen]

is Ilmeran still called Ilmeran despite most thing turned into desert

if it isn't, what would you think its called
for me its Ilme desert

[sharp pulsar]

What ethnicity is draedon?

[spare pier]

He's a robot

[split mortar]

Steel

[hollow pivot]

Aperture

[pulsar ocean]

cacti

[long bloom]

clanker

[wanton pendant]

British.

[west plume]

it'd probably just be the Ilmere Dunes

The land of Ilmer, Former host of the Ilmeris Confederation/Constitutional Monarchy, Origin place of Ilmerans, Origin of the extinct language of Ilme

[wanton pendant]

Please we already have to deal with Ilmeran and Ilmerian!

[west plume]

i think i'll talk to stip about canonizing Ilmeran

I think it sounds better and it's the one used more overall indev

[wanton pendant]

Actually, Ilmeran is used for the place and Ilmerian is used for the people to my memory.

So it's the Ilmeran Sea but the people of Ilmeris were Ilmerian.

[west plume]

is that distinction ever made in real life...?

[hollow pivot]

Are there humanoid fish in real life?

[wanton pendant]

I'm not a linguist, I don't know.

[west plume]

look at this guy

[hollow pivot]

There are fish with human teeth but not with human torsos and arms.

[wanton pendant]

You're a fish with a human torso and arms.

[west plume]

Yeah there are. Here's one from before AI was even invented

[hollow pivot]

@grok is this real?

Why is that cat image so large?

[west plume]

another real fish with arms

Calamity Mod is based on Real Life.

[hollow pivot]

IRL Craft for Terraria.

[agile matrix]

bro whaddafuck

[wanton pendant]

Your Lore sucks, get better material.

[sinful adder]

@nimble mist you're the only admin or moderator online, kill it with hammers

Thanks

Another one

[hollow pivot]

This is the day of spam it seems.

[sinful adder]

Why are people dumb enough to lose their accounts like this

[nimble mist]

Law of very large numbers or something like that

This is a huge server

Normally there are like 200,000 lurkers who are silent and we don't notice them
But every time one of them falls for a scam, everybody is forced to see it

With a breadth like that, you get people from all walks of life

[wanton pendant]

Including Wyoming.

[nimble mist]

The 600th scam I've seen is the 1st scam someone else has seen.

[agile matrix]

1% of 1 billion is 10000000

[pulsar ocean]

Mr beast

[fathom locust]

give me money

[paper latch]

were the guardians just some dudes?

[cedar path]

They were girls, Provi's lesbian polycule

[robust osprey]

prof guardians are power throuple

[dusk laurel]

imagine you wanted to become a goddess but your providence said "look over there" and then used the soul of the dragon while you werent looking

[noble falcon]

But it’s ok because you get to share the boss music

[stark flame]

Why do monsters appear at night? When did this phenomenon start?

[zenith geode]

moon's evil

[wanton pendant]

So there was a century long Crusade which made a lot of dead bodies to be used for necromancy or for monsters to spawn from.
Moon's Haunted, also.

[split mortar]

Moons evil

[noble falcon]

Sorry that was my fault

[stark flame]

[raw nest]

What happens to the moon lord when a blood moon happens? Since you know, he’s just chilling there/imprisoned there

[split mortar]

The guy just sits there idfk

[hoary cape]

Moon lord goes on a rampage on nothing

[wanton nest]

He is the lord of the moon not the moon itself i guess he will like be the one who made the moon bloody, i guess

[wanton nest]

[wanton pendant]

He's not actually 'lord of the moon', he's just imprisoned there.

And he has no hand in Blood Moons.

[split mortar]

Nah moonlord does not cause the blood moons
They happened before the guy invaded
Also is only called moon lord due to being trapped there, the guy is closer to a distortion lord or smth due to originating there probably idk

[wanton nest]

Why he called the moon lord?

[wanton pendant]

Because he's on the moon.

And really strong.

[light linden]

he's the only living thing on the moon

[wanton nest]

His original self was cthulhu in terraria, calamity didn't respect him good enough, they really should add some respect to my man

[wanton nest]

Living is not what you should call him because he don't have brain, because brain of cthulhu or eater of world or eye of cthulhu

[split mortar]

I think calamity does pretty well at respecting the final boss of vanilla, its why the auric dragons were no longer seen as invincible and it probably inspired the god ritual that could permanently kill an auric dragon

[light linden]

....

you're mixing up calamity and vanilla lore

[split mortar]

In calamity all you just listed are god essence creatures from the crimson and corruption

[light linden]

the brain of cthulhu and eye of cthulhu are unrelated

cthulhu is just dragon for strong monster in calamity

[split mortar]

So if the guy did not invade then literally nothing would happen

[wanton nest]

Because moon lord is something come from no where in calamity and fight against the dragons

[split mortar]

Its from the distortion

They changed vanilla bestiary entries so they fit cal lore and ml says its from the distortion or smth

[wanton nest]

So moon lord come from another universe, i heard one video of calamity lore and didn't read it in game because it
.... Long

So sorry if i argument about alot of calamity

It just really good mod

[split mortar]

Oh no worries you do not even come off argumentative to me

[wanton nest]

I was thinking it is... I said sorry for safety

[stark flame]

[split mortar]

The distortion is described as a fissure in spacetime whatever that means
So maybe?? Idk

[wanton nest]

[split mortar]

Fair

[wanton nest]

That mean like something from future or past maybe something new will be added to calamity that mention it

[split mortar]

They will add the distortion as a subworld eventually if plans continue as they are rn

[raw nest]

Wait moon lord is from the distortion?

Like the one dog is from?

[split mortar]

Moonlords bestiary entry

[split mortar]

Yeah theres one distortion

[stark flame]

Why is Silva so powerful yet he doesn't stop Yharim personally?

[wanton nest]

Indeed he say that

[wanton nest]

That like disrespect for devaour of gods name lol

[split mortar]

She is the elemental of nature and the goddess of life
Neither are very offensive domains so i imagine she is better at buffing someone
Which she does buff someone and they nearly kill yharim
Also yharim is just flatout stronger than her and beat her into actual goop

[wanton nest]

If he was really stronger then silva that much, we really can't compare ourselves to him if he added to the game as boss 💀

[stark flame]

no

[split mortar]

Silva is like DoG or yharon tier, yharim will be post scal/exos

[wanton nest]

So that's mean is stronger then calamitas

[split mortar]

Yharim is stronger then her yeah, boss progression is pretty accurate to character strength

[wanton nest]

What about yharon? Isn't he can like rebirth?

And fight with him

[split mortar]

Yharon returns to baby after rebirthing iirc

A big reason the yharon fight has personal stakes is that yharon is doing this knowing if he loses he and yharim will not meet again
Takes a decade for him to finish rebirthing and yharim will die of age before then
Either by our hands or by the passage of time yharon will lose his only friend if he dies in this fight

[wanton nest]

In lore they say he fly after his egg hatched

[wanton nest]

Oh ok

[split mortar]

I aint an expert on auric phoenix dragon biology maybe thats normal idk

[stark flame]

Will players fight against Noxus in the future?

[split mortar]

If the devs still want to update the mod once they add yharim

Same applies to xeroc

[wanton nest]

They say in first time they announces for xeroc his the final boss, right, so after he added up the calamity mod will end up, right?

[split mortar]

If plans stay the same yeah nothing to add once xeroc is added

[wanton nest]

What if they add more bosses and lore, because they say the picture of xeroc will get reworked

[split mortar]

Then plans changed, though i doubt they will add new bosses because calamity is already a bit too full for comfort with those

[wanton nest]

What if there more hidden things they add like there were who help xeroc to beat the king of dragon (i need to re hear the lore man)

[split mortar]

Xeroc already killed the king dragon thats how he became the god of primordial light
Also said dragon king is weaker then noxus and probably yharim tier

[wanton nest]

But how did he know about the power of heart dragon that will turns humans to gods, there should be someone who helped him

[split mortar]

He invented it and well
Moonlord had the power to dominate auric souls for its benefit
The god ritual dominates an auric soul for the benefit of the ascender
I think xeroc took inspiration from moonlords powers

Also zeratros could have helped xeroc ascend no one knows what went on in there

[wanton nest]

He was sage so i guess you right, anyway it was nice talking to you gtg, bye

[split mortar]

Cya

[stark flame]

How did Silva achieve perfect ascension?
If she attained perfect ascension through Terminus,
why would Xeroc have given Terminus to her?

[young socket]

xeroc didnt give it to her on purpose

they just threw it into the abyss because they thought no one would be able to get it, not realising silva could also just take it for herself

[zenith tapir]

Literally how can someone not get that 😭

[stark flame]

Didn't Terminus get cast into the Abyss by Xeroc only after Silva ascended to godhood?

[young socket]

no

[zenith geode]

are there grocery stores in the heartlands

[young socket]

if there are, i dont think theyre operational anymore

[thick slate]

walmar

[zenith geode]

yharmart,,,,,,,,,,,

did yharim enact laws requiring a minimum amount of parking space that depends on how much square footage a business has

[young socket]

hes comically evil but not that comically evil

unlike the good ol united states of america land of burgers and guns

[zenith geode]

god bless america

[dusk laurel]

🦅

[noble falcon]

He did require every parking lot to have a huge empty space reserved for parking Yharon

Very inconvenient for those of us using slimy saddles and blessed apples and the like

[sharp pulsar]

AMERICA 🇺🇸 🦅🦅🦅🦅

[raw nest]

How do the profaned guardians show up again during Providence’s fight? Does she revive them?

[agile matrix]

hype moments and aura

(the guardians are canonically Dead Dead

[raven brook]

this will be remove dwhen providence is reworked

[wanton pendant]

Technically, they're not the actual same ones, they have different names.
The actual guardians are dead when you fight her.
If you want a made up on the spot lore reason, they're either constructs or other followers or something.

Obviously, it wouldn't make sense if Providence could properly raise the dead, since not only is that not her ability, but it would be really ironic given her whole 'kill everyone' mentality.

[dusk laurel]

she should turn them into giant beyblades smh

[noble falcon]

They don’t die, they just make it look good and teleport back to Providence’s vtuber house after they realize you won’t be moderated so easily

Why do you think Providence is mad enough to fight you
You interrupted her very tight stream schedule, she was supposed to play The Last Of Us that day

Except the Terraria version of it uses glowing mushrooms so it’s like fighting through Crabulon’s Wacko Funland

[sinful adder]

Speaking of

I wonder if there is any connection between the glowing mushrooms and the astral infection

They both behave kind of similarly, and are connected to mana

[long bloom]

not currently

[soft flame]

they’re presumably far more simple versions, lacking wills of their own, to amplify providence’s own power

or they have no explanation whatsoever

like how desert scourge is a half-starved apex predator but has children/the exact same species living alongside it

[wanton pendant]

Yeah they have no actual explanation. Not even Bestiary entries.

Desert Scourge falls under the fairly reasonable 'it's probably a whole species and not a sole survivor'.

[long bloom]

they do not

it's simply an outdated mechanic

[soft flame]

figures

[raven brook]

Tbh i wouldn't call it half starved

[long bloom]

juvenile scourges are canon

[raven brook]

The bestiary shows taht its actually feeding on a pretty ample source of food

There's antlions and cactus everywhere so

[long bloom]

filter feeding

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's like nine feet tall normal fish are microscopic to him.

[raven brook]

I think any explanation for providence's guardians in her fight just works as a bandaid fix at most because i don't think it'd make much sense for her to recreate the only people she genuinely cares about and the entire reason she's fighting you (you killed them) just to make herself stronger

You could argue it as like a way of honoring their death or something i don't know but even then it's just a bandaid at most, still

Don't know if Provi would even do that either

[soft flame]

i mean how it’s displayed in the fight it seems like lalalahappylife

[wanton pendant]

What?

[soft flame]

they fight alongside each other

[long bloom]

ok?

[raven brook]

I mean, juveniles hunting with adults is pretty common behavior in alot of animals

Wolves, Baboons, Hyenas

[wanton pendant]

This is just like Pikmin 2.

[raven brook]

I don't think anything ingame explicitly says desert scourge is the last of its species but it is seemingly one of the last

[soft flame]

idk i just expected scorg to be entirely relentless

[wanton pendant]

Desert Nuisance does state 'the large scourge' and not 'a larger scourge'.

[long bloom]

it's just an animal bro

[soft flame]

my point exactly

[raven brook]

Animals generally have spreading their genes to the next generation as their main instinctual goal

[light linden]

this a bad time?

[raven brook]

Killing your children kinda goes against that, though in some animals it's done

Not really we're just having a conversation

[light linden]

gotcha

[soft flame]

nah it’s fine

[long bloom]

yeah it seems counterproductive to survival i think

[light linden]

do y'all think lava fish are edible?

[raven brook]

Usually in those cases they're animals that can produce new offspring very quickly though

[wanton pendant]

If you had an asbestos mouth.

[raven brook]

Good question

I mean one can assume they're not literally made of lava so

Probably?

[young socket]

yea theyre turned into seafood dinner

[raven brook]

I mean you do

yeah you make them into seafood dinner

so, probably yeah

[light linden]

I feel very much like they'd be both extremely hard to cook and largely inedible due to the chemicals required to live in such extreme temperatures

[young socket]

theres probably slightly different ways to prepare them but theyre probably still like

[soft flame]

the raw form yea

[long bloom]

you can eat them in game

[young socket]

meaty on the inside

[light linden]

iirc any animals that live even near lava regularly have to have unique adaptations

and in the case of a few it leaves segments of them inedible

[wanton pendant]

Like the lava snail.

[light linden]

yes like the lava snail

[long bloom]

scaly-foot snail smh

[raven brook]

i dont think eating scalyfoot snails has even ever b een attempted because how would you, even

they live down in abyssal trenches you cant really like. fish them

[wanton pendant]

Really long tongs?

[raven brook]

and if you could itd not be financially sustainable at all

[light linden]

they're inedible because they're exposed to and consume extremely toxic chemicals

[soft flame]

at that point even the anatomy adapts to the conditions

[light linden]

in all fairness they're the type of thing you can tell is likely inedible from both seeing what they eat and what they live near

[long bloom]

nah i'm sure primordial soup is safe for consumption

[soft flame]

which is basically all that matters

[long bloom]

it has soup in the name

[raven brook]

no yeah i dont think scalyfoot snails would be edible or at minimum not taste good

deep sea animals dont tend to be very appetizing

[light linden]

hydrogen sulfide

[raven brook]

best case scenario they eat sludge worst case scenario they eat Fumes

[light linden]

it's not their anatomy that I'm worried about

it's ours

sure THEY can eat what's turbo poison to us

[wanton pendant]

Hey, you always need iron in your diet!
And they have plenty!

[soft flame]

they’re too busy living like an archaea to be delicious

[light linden]

but we likely can't eat them because they eat the turbo poison

[soft flame]

it could depend on that too

[light linden]

I just had a thought

what do they breathe?

idt oxygen can get into lava

[raven brook]

they breathe. lava. idk

[light linden]

I mean

that might actually be what they do

since most oxygen in lava is minerals

[raven brook]

maybe theyre like aquatic mammals nad have to surface periodically to breathe in oxygen or maybe they just use magic bulshit to breathe under-lava

[soft flame]

the terrarian doesn’t lose breath when swimming in lava clearly

[light linden]

they might eat the rocks

to get oxygen

[light linden]

I think there's a bigger concern

[wanton pendant]

'The ctenidium provides oxygen for the snail, but the circulatory system is enlarged beyond the scope of other similar vent gastropods.'

[light linden]

also again

how the hell do you cook something that usually lives in a temperature like 10 times hotter than fire

[raven brook]

We're talking abt the terraria lava creatures not the irl snail

[raven brook]

Tbf you only cook it after it's dead, maybe it has something to do with that

Death causes decay of whatever keeps it from turning into ash inside of hte lava while alive or smth

[wanton pendant]

Same way, just more fishlike.

[soft flame]

its death would leave its body to decay and lose said properties maybe

[raven brook]

the snails dont live in lava

[light linden]

that entirely depends on what makes it so heat resistant

[raven brook]

I mean probably some magic bullshit tbh its not like i think there is much of any way for a animal to be realistic immune to lava

Maybe they have a coat of slime over them that decays after they die and the slime is like

[wanton pendant]

Maybe they're anaerobic... somehow.

[raven brook]

the most insulant thing ever

[light linden]

I mean

I'm not ruling out magic based adaptation being a factor

in fact that reminds me about something

I wonder if the sea prisms on prism backs are part of their nervous system

[raven brook]

That seems a bit random

[plucky juniper]

WAIT

the magma slimes!

[raven brook]

I imagined that given they're turtles or atleast turtlelike, the prisms grow in their shells

[plucky juniper]

THEY'RE SYMBIOTES!

[raven brook]

whar

[plucky juniper]

[raven brook]

brain fart

[soft flame]

that goes for a lotta slimes tbh

[raven brook]

why magma slimes specifically

[plucky juniper]

its because of your quote lmao

[raven brook]

So it's not really directly piercing their skin or flesh

oh waittt

i geti t

[plucky juniper]

you said the coat of slime

and i just imagined the slime being literally the same thing as the magma slimes

[cosmic zenith]

Fun fact, bioelectric impulses are carried through the human body through a phenomenon called action potential, where the motion of ions in and out of the cell creates a wave of electric charge that travels through its surface in an organized fashion

[wanton pendant]

So you're calling us potential men?

[raven brook]

and then fish weaponize that

[cosmic zenith]

Electricity can impact this because some ion channels in cells are voltage-regulated

[long bloom]

that is a fun fact

[cosmic zenith]

Your homework for tonight is researching how action potential works and a single application of it in the body

I recommend the heart's electric conduction system - slow-response and fast-response (no bias)

[dusk laurel]

[noble falcon]

Where does Pinky slot in on calamity power scaling
He’s gotta be up there right

[dusk laurel]

pinky exists for one reason and its i need to get bouncy ammo and explosives bevause its funny

[wanton pendant]

Like... uh... bottom 1,000?

[noble falcon]

No way
This can’t be

[raven brook]

Hey guys peter here to explain the joke

[feral skiff]

the Green Slime is the hardest boss in Terraria, I think Pinky would easily one-shot all calamity characters

[light linden]

hi stip

[raven brook]

Pinky is a prehardmode enemy with a rare spawn rate which is a pink slime, which is rather funny and random. It has higher health than most other slimes, which becomes even more funny and random when combined with its pink color and very small size. If pinky was really really strong in the lore, that'd be even more funny and random. Thanks for reading, guys. Peter out

[wanton pendant]

Thank you Peter, very cool.

[dusk laurel]

peter msnbc

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[agile matrix]

are you a Doctor

[cosmic zenith]

I'm studying to be one

(It's hell)

[agile matrix]

terrifying concept: "hey man can you turn on Stained Brutal Calamity it helps me focus while i do surgery" - last words i hear before going under

[long bloom]

i always heard medical school was super fun

[cosmic zenith]

It is fun

Just like blazing through a highway at 200 km/h is fun

[long bloom]

lo

[wanton pendant]

Ah, Germany.

[raven brook]

The thought of being a calamity player and your doctor is a calamity mod developer is hilarious

stip i think i got the uhhh, i got the astral infection man can you help me

[light linden]

do you have time for a question?

[agile matrix]

"whats a thing you can say both to your surgeon and a calmod dev"
"please dont fuck it up."

[cosmic zenith]

"I'm afraid your body is in a state of calamity."

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[icy veldt]

Are you going to invent the Plague IRL?

[cosmic zenith]

I do

[cosmic zenith]

No

[soft flame]

nanomachines son

[light linden]

have you given any thought to weather during the draconic era?

[icy veldt]

Darn, that's disappointing

[raven brook]

thats just what he wants you to think

[cosmic zenith]

Not yet

[light linden]

with the sun being hotter the water cycle should be different than normal

[light linden]

gotcha

ty

[cosmic zenith]

np

It might take a while, because the first instance I'd need to would be Chrysadia stuff

[light linden]

come to think of it

[cosmic zenith]

And Chrysadia likely has its own weather

[light linden]

it'd probably be the inverse of the rift eclipse from wotg

[cosmic zenith]

So it's not Draconic Era weather per say

[wanton pendant]

Surely the Dragon of Storms can only mean good things for the weather.

[light linden]

still think they need to make the songs during the damn thing not interrupt workshop themes

they're cool whenever I'm not at base

but become annoying when I am

[agile matrix]

isnt there a dragon of cold things

[long bloom]

frost

[wanton pendant]

Mega Mammoth Dragon.

[agile matrix]

frost and fire

perfect balance

[light linden]

dragon of frost has been floated around for a few years I think

[cosmic zenith]

To clarify: yes, it is fun. To the point I came to this chat to drop fun facts. Medicine is fascinating! However, it is really fast-paced, which puts a lot of pressure on you and leaves the impression that you might've enjoyed it even more if it wasn't so rushed. You seriously need to manage your time, too

[agile matrix]

fast paced.... pressure........ wrath.... my primal rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyhow glad to hear you enjoy school

[light linden]

that does give me another question

[cosmic zenith]

For example, I have to memorize the whole vaccination schedule for children up to 5 years-old due tomorrow
And I'm trying to stay sane while I do it

[light linden]

did yharim's army have a medical corps?

[agile matrix]

could you list it

[wanton pendant]

I would be shocked if he didn't have medics.

[light linden]

I mean

[wanton pendant]

It'd be like if they revealed he didn't use siege weapons or something.

[light linden]

healing potions exist

[cosmic zenith]

I'm Brazilian, so it probably works different here, and some names might be wrong

But I've memorized up to 12 months so far

[agile matrix]

i moreso meant as a recital to help remember

[graceful warren]

Question what is the full lore behind the pleage bringer

Goliath

[eager bluff]

yeah but you cant solely rely on the assumption that you'll always have enough potions for an entire battalion during war

[long bloom]

queen bee on many steroids

[light linden]

healing potions might reduce their need for combatants

[light linden]

and uh

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah! It's a bit repetitive in the first months
But I need to kno the details of each one, which is the problem

[light linden]

the yharmy likely killed civilians

[cosmic zenith]

Definitely

[long bloom]

kid named skeletron prime

[graceful warren]

So can it produce more steroids bees

[long bloom]

idk

[wanton pendant]

Draedon created a method to harness the strength of living beings while having full control over them and used a Queen Bee as a test subject. It got loose because Yharim was outraged at the notion and broke it out, allowing it to enter the ecosystem.

[eager bluff]

yes but that doesnt mean it didnt kill literally all of them nor that it couldnt get soldiers from its own controlled territory

[cosmic zenith]

Depends on what healing potions do, ultimately, but a medical corps would probably still be useful

[graceful warren]

So basically its an invasive species

[cosmic zenith]

It is a bioweapon

[raven brook]

"invasive species" is putting it lightly, id argue

[wanton pendant]

Healing Sickness is still a thing, medical professionals still exist, and I doubt a potion is enough to reattach severed limbs.

[long bloom]

it's a hydrogen bomb on the ecosystem

[raven brook]

It's not really a natural organism and is a bioweapon specifically maade to proliferate and destroy

[wanton pendant]

We need Chris Redfield.

[light linden]

we don't really know specifics

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/cannon-cannonball-dummy-explosion-dummy-explosion-gif-8430671499115328903

"Pass me the heal pot"

[graceful warren]

So I mean it would make sense for once no longer control be Draedon it would try to make it's own hives. Leading to the other pleage creatures

[light linden]

I'd argue destroy is less of a concern

[wanton pendant]

Also potions don't cure status effects.

[raven brook]

I think a medicala department is guaranteed for the yharmy yeah

[graceful warren]

I feel like it needs its own place to fight it at.

[light linden]

in all fairness a medical corps couldn't do much for someone who's state of matter changed

[eager bluff]

a medical corps would be useful for the simple reason of just assuming you'll never run out of supplies is a surefire way to make sure you'll run out of supplies so you'll need someone around for when you DO run out of supplies or to stay behind the frontlines and make more supplies

[wanton pendant]

I think it's safe to assume that anything a real army would have, Yharim had.

[raven brook]

The idea of a plague biome or structure is a very common thought within the community

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah that was for the joke's sake

[graceful warren]

Yeah that makes sense

[light linden]

I'm still curious on if the plague would go after plant life

[wanton pendant]

He'd have siege weapons, supply trains, logistics, medics, infantry, etc.

[long bloom]

it explicitly doesn't

[raven brook]

I mean

There's also the obvious,

minimizing casualties

[light linden]

I mean

[agile matrix]

casualty =/= death right

[cosmic zenith]

But even if healing potions instantly cured all possible physical wounds, there's mental wounds and they're supposed to be taken very seriously

[light linden]

NOW it doesn't

[raven brook]

Like yeah Yharim is a horrible person but he's not idiotic

[graceful warren]

The problem is we don't want yet another corruption

[agile matrix]

those are two different things

[graceful warren]

That would make 4 different corruption in hard mode

[eager bluff]

casualty is wounded in any way, death is fatality

[light linden]

but also if the plague biome happens it very likely will

[agile matrix]

ic

[eager bluff]

one person can count for multiple casualties in a battle but cannot count for multiple fatalities

[wanton pendant]

The goal of the Plague is to harness the strength of organic beings.
Grass and trees can't fight.

[raven brook]

Minimizing loss of your own soldiers is just objecitvely good. Sure, strategic sacrifices can be a thing but even then you want to amke sure the strategic sacrifice needs the least possible individuals

[light linden]

snapper, man eater, and plantera

[long bloom]

those are animals

[graceful warren]

I mean there are some plants in the jungle that do attack

[wanton pendant]

Plantera is certainly too strong to be infected.

[raven brook]

You don't have to make it a biome that spreads

[wanton pendant]

By a huge margin.

[raven brook]

Astral already dosen't

[cosmic zenith]

You think of Yharim's medical corps as chad paramedics.
I think of Yharim's medical corps as aurafarming healer mages.
We are not the same.

[wanton pendant]

The rest of the hostile flora aren't remotely as strong as the fauna.

[raven brook]

Anyways i'm gonna watch my bf play limbus company now goodbye

[light linden]

also normal thorny plants as a transmission vector or basic defenses is a possibility

[cosmic zenith]

And I will go study

Cya

[graceful warren]

So yeah I mean a pleage biome would be cool.

[eager bluff]

snappers and man eaters share the same bestiary entry
"A sharp-toothed plant with a taste for human flesh. It has the ability to hide inside the mud and reach over great distances."
guess what they are actually plants

[graceful warren]

I mean not lore but pleage weapons and armor need a rework

[wanton pendant]

Also, Plague can't take over things that are too weak.

[agile matrix]

100%

[light linden]

please no

I like the stuff we have now

[agile matrix]

the current plague weapons??

[light linden]

yes

plague tainted smg is simple but fun

[agile matrix]

thats a donor

try again

[eager bluff]

even planteras explicitly calls her "floral" which is not something you can call an animal

[graceful warren]

I mea

The current amor sets are decent

[light linden]

the fuel cell bundle and infected remote are cool

[dusk laurel]

one of the armors is a donator demon and the other isnt too interesting

[agile matrix]

plantera is a culmination of souls last i checked

really hard to plagueify the mechs or polterghast(?)

[eager bluff]

it is a plant

[light linden]

eh

[agile matrix]

with souls in it

[eager bluff]

that ate a lot of souls

[wanton pendant]

Plant with souls in it.

[agile matrix]

yeah

[eager bluff]

it can still be infected

because it is a plant

[light linden]

I think blinding yourself while turbo buffing your damage is a cool idea for a ranger armor set

[agile matrix]

i thought the plague couldnt infect plants or

[wanton pendant]

I think Plantera is far too strong to be infected.

[eager bluff]

we dont know if it can or cant iirc

we simply never see it doing that

[light linden]

I like the hive's gimmick of being either a shotgun or nuke launcher based on charge level

[light linden]

also the bees on gfb

[graceful warren]

Also head cannon here but I think plantera was the only thing stopping the pleage bringer Goliath from taking over the jungle and once we killed plantera. The Goliath can reap havoc with no competition

[wanton pendant]

It's post Golem.

Yes, I know, it's silly.

[agile matrix]

tbh plague should spread once wof dies

the lab exploded a long ass time ago

[wanton pendant]

Around 12 years ago.

[graceful warren]

Yeah honestly they should change that

[agile matrix]

yeauh

[eager bluff]

anyways yeah uhhh
ok so hive ptsmg and the armor is good
what about pandemic what about pestilent defiler what about epidemic shredder what about soul harvester what about virulence what about malevolence what about plague staff what about the syringe

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying!

[long bloom]

killing wof and you get more corruption, hallow, astral and plague

that sounds horrible

[agile matrix]

more infections......

[wanton pendant]

We clearly need a Hallow alt.

[graceful warren]

Yeah no I still like the theory that plantera was stopping the pleage from spreading and that once you kill it. The pleage start to spread

[light linden]

I did mention the summoning weapons but

I have not reached pbg in a playthrough as any class but ranger or summoner

so I have no opinions on the weapons of other classes at that tier

[eager bluff]

they all suck

[leaden bridge]

how does calamity lore cope with this fact

[eager bluff]

it just makes shit up to sound cool

[wanton pendant]

If you take a random flavour tooltip at face value I will punch you in the face and say I punch with the force of a million stars.

[graceful warren]

draedon being draedon

[long bloom]

guys ender is /j

[agile matrix]

surmounted by a baseplate of prefabulated amulite

actually the term "prefabulated" is kinda true for a lotta shit

[graceful warren]

You don't think the guy that was able to build 4 extremely powerful mech that have an almost infinite energy source. Wouldn't know how to make a nuclear bomb hand grenade

[light linden]

I mean

he probably could make one

not really any reason to

[agile matrix]

these four mechs experience total engine failure after about 8 minutes of high combat

they overheat to such a capacity that their fuel turns into a very rough form of Miracle Matter

[wanton pendant]

Against one of three people who won't die instantly.

[agile matrix]

well yes

but still

[agile matrix]

he makes a compression nuke

[graceful warren]

Yeah but still even if they lasted only like 8 minutes. Its still impressive

[agile matrix]

(the gauss nuke is im pretty sure either a. a shockwave or b. a way weaker form of what makes a black hole. dont take it from me)

[cosmic zenith]

As if you wouldn't cope with it exactly like we would :p

[timber glacier]

Random question: are the spine trees in the brimstone crag actually made of bones or is scorched bone not actually bone but a bone-like material

[wanton pendant]

Very unlucky 6" tall guys.

[timber glacier]

Then how do we grow more with small spines?

[wanton pendant]

Well, if you bury a 5" 11' guy, eventually he'll grow.

[zenith tapir]

Hi

[wanton pendant]

Hello.

[light linden]

just had a thought

[wanton pendant]

Dangerous.

[light linden]

did other continents have their own versions of the evil biomes?

[agile matrix]

dont think they could

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, if they had gods, they'd have to have had some.

[agile matrix]

the evils are by nature Dead Guy Juice

[wanton pendant]

Dead guys exist in lots of places.

[agile matrix]

its in full caps so its important dead guy juice

[wanton pendant]

It would be inconceivable if it only existed in one place.

[agile matrix]

arent most others like

[wanton pendant]

Said important dead guys existed worldwide.

[agile matrix]

bad for living

[wanton pendant]

Most other what?

[agile matrix]

continents

[wanton pendant]

We're on the second worst.

[agile matrix]

Whart.

[wanton pendant]

By a lot.

[feral skiff]

did the enemy ascend beyond Yharim’s control? and was that all his intention?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, yes it was.

They did indeed manage to demolish everything they made, and he is failing to comprehend.

[timber glacier]

Is there any lore reason why D.O.G. Can inflict a fire debuff on contact, or even what is god slayer inferno
Like for what reason is the D.O.G. Related debuff a kind of fire debuff, like he has no relation to fire right?

[raven brook]

I mean does he have to

U dont have to be john flames fireguy to be able to use a flamethrower

Calamitas can use ice magic and shes not rly particularly known to be the ice person

[light linden]

there's also a chance it's closer to frostburn than holy fire

since he's coated in fancy super cold metal

[young socket]

dog has a fire debuff because its the epitome of cool or whatever

[timber glacier]

I kinda feel like that it feels like all the major post-moonlord bosses having their related debuffs being fire is kinda lame

[young socket]

theres like 50 fire debuffs, 10 sickness and the other 3 categories have had nothing until recently

[timber glacier]

Honestly it was renamed and reclassified as like a cold one it could be more interesting

[light linden]

tbf that's likely changing with some of the retiering

[timber glacier]

I mainly meant like providence, yharon, scal and dog all for some reason have fire debuffs, and while it makes obvious sense for providence, scal and yharon, dog having one also feels like a weird choice

[light linden]

brain rot and burning blood are likely gonna either be buffed to post ml level or get new post ml level versions

[raven brook]

That's actually fair yeah

[long bloom]

gsi is probably becoming typeless at some point iirc

according to doze

[dusk laurel]

elemental debuff system

was there a reason why it was made

[raven brook]

I think it's meant to make debuff builds more viable or something but i personally still dont feel particularly good abt it

I remember hearing a explanation for why its still in the game but idrm the details

[light linden]

tbf it'd probably help more if like half the post-ml bosses weren't immune to most strong debuffs

[raven brook]

I think the problem i have is less whether it actually helps or not and more that its just a very artifical system that dosen't feel particularly interactive and is unecessarily convoluted when i think it'd be much better to just focus on making accessories that generally make debuffs more fun to use in unique ways

[dusk laurel]

thats not rlly an elemental problem tho

[raven brook]

rather than simply "this boss is weaker to this specific category of debuffs"

[dusk laurel]

just debuffs in general

[young socket]

there used to be elemental damage system but was deemed too complicated so it was simplified to elemental debuffs iirc

[dusk laurel]

huh okay ic

[leaden bridge]

i mean

[eager bluff]

actually no there is still an elemental damage system but its for exclusively cold damage

[young socket]

well ok thats vanilla

so like

shit yourself idk

[cosmic zenith]

?

[wanton pendant]

I do think it's the most bizarre implementation of a type system I've seen. Types but only for debuffs.

[timber glacier]

Hold on, why is plague a sickness debuff its actually like nanomachines and not actually a “plague” sickness

[long bloom]

it makes you feel plagued

[timber glacier]

Also burning blood being sickness and not fire is also kind of weird since its name and description suggests the damaging part is the burning and not like it being an infection (i get that we need less fire debuffs but logically it should be heat)

[light linden]

it's caused by projectiles made from funky blood

[magic epoch]

being bit by fire ants

[cosmic zenith]

A better question would be why other debuffs don't classify as "sickness"

[long bloom]

it's for consistency with brain rot

[plucky juniper]

alternatively, why shouldnt a debuff have two possible categories in certain circumstances

burning blood could instead be both heat and sickness

[timber glacier]

The issue there is like it’d only be a thing for probs like 3 debuffs at max and then it’d probably just be overcomplicated

[long bloom]

make miracle blight every type

[manic moth]

I could see DoG being the ice/spatial debuff guy

Considering he lives in a pocket dimension

And can make breaks in reality

[green prairie]

actually i’d genuinely agree with this

[eternal veldt]

Meelee playthrough be like

Enchanted sword = classic fantasy hero with their sword on a stone moment that they upgrade throughout their journey

Oathblade = cliche overused edgy demon lord anime

Yoyo = a kids cartoon anime.

Everything else = "screw it, we ball"

[fallen quiver]

Ok here's a question
Does the terrarian make the world better or worse with their actions

[feral skiff]

the Terrarian is You!

[fallen quiver]

This is less motivation and more the effects on the world that happen in the game

[timber glacier]

Well the overall impacts depends on what you decide to do

Like if you destroy all the big bee hives or something you’d have caused danger to the jungle ecosystem

Depends on what you decide to do

[west plume]

it kinda depends on the boss kills you place personal importance on. killing the wall of flesh is a pretty irrevocably bad action for like everyone on the continent but killing DoG, the Mechs, Aureus, Providence and Yharon just kinda make the world safer to be in

the boss kills i would say have the most immediate negative consequences are leviathan, moon lord, wall of flesh, aquatic scourge, astrum deus and primordial wyrm

[timber glacier]

What negatives does killing leviathan cause?

[west plume]

immediate ecosystem change, similar to aquatic scourge

you take out an extremely large and rare predator and don't even leave the corpse in the ocean

desert scourge could Maybe be argued to be a net negative since it's slowly adapting to a recently destroyed ecosystem and by going and killing it you kill off one of the only pioneer species available in where the ilmeris basin used to be

[west plume]

i guess like. imagine taking a creature with a massive daily calorie intake responsible for regulating the local ecosystem who is literally following the will of the water and just getting rid of it. you are getting rid of like 4 blue whales worth of mass and allowing whatever it eats to explode in population. thats why killing levi is bad

[fallen quiver]

But it could also be good as it makes way for the sand shark to move into its ecological niche

[west plume]

the player also murders sand sharks :p

[fallen quiver]

I forget is there a reason why the plague shows up after golem

[west plume]

do not think so

[fallen quiver]

Thats one less mark against the player

Queen bee is another ecological issue

There are others but they are rare

[west plume]

only summoner players need to path through bee and all summoner players are inherently evil

[timber glacier]

Melee player need to kill be to get flasks too so they aren’t innocent

Also would killing giant clam be a net positive cos you free amidas or a net negative cos I assume clams of that size are probably rare

And likely impacts the ecosystem if removed

[fallen quiver]

Plantera would be an issue if we didnt immediately go kick in the teeth of the lizhards

[west plume]

i'm sort of unsure. i do not think amidias helps the ecosystem at all so i'd prefer more clams over the sea king who probably would have been freed on his own eventually

amidias moves out to live in with you what am i saying

[fallen quiver]

I suppose another issue with killing of the gods is what their followers would do in the aftermath
I do not think those that followed providence would take their death laying down

[soft flame]

lore doc says deus doesn’t get killed he was just infected and on defeat is freed from said infection

it isn’t reflected in-game yet

i would guess that case means better for the world?

[west plume]

i Suppose

[fallen quiver]

Mf fucks off instead of doing his job

[magic epoch]

you don't kill deus yeah

it's a positive

[fallen quiver]

I mean

[magic epoch]

deus was infected after eating a shitty star because it's dumb

[fallen quiver]

Were still stuck with the infection

[magic epoch]

so now it can go back to doing its job

[soft flame]

his job is birthing stars and he fucks off to that

[fallen quiver]

Oh I thought he ate the infection

Mb

[magic epoch]

it eats stars

[west plume]

you do still seriously hurt and possibly incapacitate the worm though instead of sedating it and having it removed by like. draedon

[soft flame]

his job isn’t to cure the world of the astral

[magic epoch]

im unsure if this is

[soft flame]

probably why he retreats come to think of it

[timber glacier]

He ate a gross star and got tummy ache and began killing people

[magic epoch]

im pretty sure they inadvertently prevent astral infections?

[soft flame]

by eating stars

[fallen quiver]

Draedon would turn it into the mega super death star killer just to see if he could

[magic epoch]

eats dying stars before they start getting it or whatever

[soft flame]

yeah

[west plume]

that particular deus probably isn't coming back any time soon due to being Beaten up so you effectively banish it from doing it's purpose until another one comes to take it's place

[soft flame]

oh yea there’s multiple deuses

[magic epoch]

it wasn't doing its purpose before you saved it anyways

[west plume]

it was doing it's purpose before it got infected

[fathom locust]

hypothetically

[magic epoch]

yes but it being infected isn't our fault

[west plume]

with proper care it could have been treated without being beaten up

and there r people in the setting capable of properly treating it

[soft flame]

just spray it with green solution

[magic epoch]

you would need some really really strong sedatives

[magic epoch]

this should be the fandom wiki taming method

[fallen quiver]

I mean maybe you have it just take a while

[west plume]

i Think that deus could probably be sedated or restrained unless there are no contingency plans for DoG at all

[fallen quiver]

Play keep away while blasting it with green solution

[west plume]

at the very least magically restrained while the removal happens

[magic epoch]

i mean to get it in a situation where you could properly care for it

[west plume]

you have a point in that the player can't capture deus tho

[fallen quiver]

Honestly might be the best we can do given i wouldnt trust draedon with it

Like I said hed turn it into a super giga weapon for funsies

[magic epoch]

draedon doesn't do things unless he has like a reason to do so

maybe a deus could be used for better space studies?

[timber glacier]

Ehh he’d probably moreso just use it to study the infection if he could and probably wouldn’t try to cure it initially

[west plume]

do you find it more ethical for deus to be shot until enough of it's infected hull falls off or if draedon puts a few tracking devices into deus

[magic epoch]

that's what aureus was for

[timber glacier]

Yeah but like didn’t aureus become infected by it and no longer be useable

[fallen quiver]

Depends do i get its drops?

[magic epoch]

yeah but i think draedon was able to learn enough

like what it can infect, the source, the affected flora/fauna, etc.

[timber glacier]

But like in terms of the grand scheme of things the player beating up deus to free it likely is generally a good thing cos it does end up becoming free

[magic epoch]

i do agree in how there would be a better way to save deus, but it's more a hypothetical than anything because of how unrealistic it'd be to actually pull off

[west plume]

theres also no real telling if it will actually Survive. it's just 'cured' by virtue of losing enough mass to no longer be controlled. for all you know you could have made the thing bleed out to death in space while it's finally lucid

[fallen quiver]

Do we know if the corruption and hollow are limited to our continent
Or did killing wof fuck up the rest of the world as well lmao

[west plume]

i think latter?

[magic epoch]

i don't think we know if it's even like really wounded like that

[fallen quiver]

Some poor kingdom on the other side of the world who hasn't even seen a dragon let alone a god getting run through by pixies and unicorns

[west plume]

blame yharim for throwing a ridiculous amount of god essence into an easily slain homunculus

blame the player for killing it tho

[fallen quiver]

I mean it was fine until we killed it

[magic epoch]

blame yharon for hatching and saving yharim fr

[timber glacier]

Blame the wall of flesh for being too easy to kill

[fallen quiver]

Blame the dragons for having the ability to ascend mortals

Smh

[magic epoch]

blame fovos for doing a genocide

[fallen quiver]

Blame everyone for not submitting to the moonlord

[west plume]

I Guess

[timber glacier]

Blame calamity mod devs for making the game’s world a cruel one, one could say making the story of a cruel world

Wait why do we in lore even need to kill wall of flesh

[west plume]

you don't need to

its just a gameplay progression thing

[timber glacier]

also how did yharim even make the wof hold the god essences or whatever

[west plume]

basically the only reason to kill woffle is to get more powerful shit by exploiting the fact that you sent the world into unsustainable apocalypse

[split mortar]

Not even

You can skip wof

[timber glacier]

That is probably non-canon

[magic epoch]

that's why say said you don't need to

[fallen quiver]

Likely why calamitas sees yharim in you ngl

[timber glacier]

Isn’t it because of roxcaliber which isn’t also non-canon cos its donor right?

[split mortar]

Idk

[wanton pendant]

He hired Azafurian mages who probably just study messed up magic like that.

[west plume]

ur forgetting that u just dont need to kill wall of flesh in order to play terraria

like u can stay in phm as long as u want

there isnt a time limit or anyone pushing you

[magic epoch]

in calamity there's technically a time limit

[wanton pendant]

Except Yharim's mortality.

[west plume]

do nothing and win

[wanton pendant]

I love power vacuums.

[fallen quiver]

Yharim is unc

And is going to bed soon

[west plume]

Tyrant dies of old age. Empire crumbles and balkanizes in 20-50 years. People recover in a few centuries

The day is saved

[timber glacier]

Well technically we only know that yharim will die before yharon respawns so technically we only know the time between yharon defeat and yharim death is 10 years or whatevrr

[magic epoch]

no he's dying in 10 years regardless

whether or not yharon dies

he's reaching the end of his lifespan

[thick slate]

why doesnt he jsut like

[west plume]

oh yeah i guess yharon is just gonna start crusade 2 with a different guy

[thick slate]

drink healing potion

[timber glacier]

It is kinda weird to imagine yharim as being an old guy

[magic epoch]

attunement with yharon extended his life but not to immortality

[fallen quiver]

Me killing the wof anyways to turn it from the collapse of Rome to the bronze age collapse

[wanton pendant]

130 is still young, right?

[west plume]

i think the only Justifiable reason to kill woffle is to get strong enough to kill yharon and prevent the cycle from continuing

[timber glacier]

Not to mention you also kill the guide to fight it

[west plume]

currently even if you end up killing yharim yharon can just find a different deluded megalomaniacal individual

[thick slate]

wwg is pushing 200

[fallen quiver]

Ultimately it comes down to your own head canon
But the damage caused by wof death may cause another person to take the same path you did to try and stop you

[magic epoch]

he's british though

that's normal for british people

[west plume]

well, the other person by definition cannot do as much damage as you did by killing the wall of flesh

theres simply no more to really destroy in calamity postgame full completion

[thick slate]

every british person is born at 100 years old

[magic epoch]

that is a really long gestation period

[thick slate]

yea thats because all their nutrients comes from tea and slop

[fallen quiver]

There would still be a lot of clean up to do
Draedon is still out there doing whatever

Plague still running rampant

[wanton pendant]

YOU!

[wanton pendant]

To be fair, Draedon isn't directly fuelling a war anymore, so he's probably not as big as an issue as he could be.

[fallen quiver]

I mean

He seems interested in us

Could be making new machines to test against us

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, sure, but he's not randomly deploying them into random cities.

[mighty zenith]

reminder that the plague wasnt meant to spread the way it did

[fallen quiver]

Tbf i dont know much about the plague

[mighty zenith]

the gist of it is that Draedon started developing it in containment on a single specimen and Yharim, after learning of it, made a hole in a laboratory wall which caused the plaguebringer goliath to escape, letting the plague spread through the jungle freely

so its like a 50/50 split of fault between yharim and draedon

[young socket]

"hey yharim look at my cool hobby project i wont really do anything but look at it :D"
"FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU"

[soft flame]

it would be cool if there actually was an interaction with that

like fable’s scourge jungle spores

[noble falcon]

Could we fix Yharim by pulling a Christmas Carol on him and making him change his ways over the course of an evening

[magic epoch]

it's too late

[west plume]

yharim says 'haha i did some really good work didn't i' to the ghost of future

no character development happens

[west plume]

this also

[magic epoch]

he's accepted that he's going to die and he can't really take back genocide

[west plume]

you'd probably need to give yharim this talk while he was being told to become a god by the deific council

or maybe before dogma even speaks to him

[wanton pendant]

Seems like Permafrost can't just use the old ghost costume to stop Yharim.

[hoary cape]

Yharim is also going to die in like less than a decade

He doesn't have time

[eternal veldt]

Screw the jungle.

Honestly i'd be very much happy to bomb that place

Silva can reconstruct it later 🙏

[eternal veldt]

Sooooo what you're telling me is the terrarian have to find a way to either ascend or kill off that damn KFC??? HELL YEAH DRAGON HATERS!!!! REJOICE!!!

[wanton pendant]

What are the chances that Yharon finds a second, comparably racist and genocidal maniac to align with?

[west plume]

i dont know. it isnt that hard to find a racist and genocidal maniac i feel

[wanton pendant]

But one who can bench press a bus? Probably not many.

[west plume]

well, whoever he convinces has a nearly immortal dragon to attack things

so he only really needs an orchestrator to get the ball rolling

[wanton pendant]

If Yharon takes a public speaking class we're finished.

[eternal veldt]

It's terraria calamity. Pretty sure heinous people are abundant in there 🙏

[wanton pendant]

Except Gildslayer, Ender of a Thousand Empires, who's a well adjusted individual.

[west plume]

even irl i think yharon would be able to attune with someone capable maybe within a day of appearing

[west plume]

Gildslayer, Ender of a Thousand Empires, Visage of Death, the 20,000 year Conqueror should not be included in this grouping as they are a statistical oddity

[eternal veldt]

Well only question is if there will be anyone as strong as yharim

Pretty sure yharon wasn't the only one putting in work

[west plume]

the crusade was able to spontaneously gather a whole bunch of savage brutes who became godseekers p quickly

so i think the muscle is a relatively solved issue implying yharim hasn't just depleted the world of anyone of above average health

the biggest issue yharon would probably run into is that any remaining gods, especially xeroc, are likely too wary to ever be recognized or have a known location and therefore will never be able to be tracked down in a reasonable amount of time

so unlike with the crusade there'd be a long period of no results or morale due to lack of deity death and the historical failure of yharim and subsequent empire decay

[eternal veldt]

Is there a way to destroy the egg atleast?

[west plume]

if you destroy the egg yharon still respawns

[eternal veldt]

Sooo only way to destroy him is by someone ascending 😭

[west plume]

not necessarily

but that's the easiest way

[light linden]

hm

[wanton pendant]

What, can Yharon intentionally kill himself for real?

[eternal veldt]

Unless someone does destroy yharon completely. World would just go full circle then

[west plume]

yharon could always kill himself. he fragments his soul in his bossfight ingame by pushing too hard

if yharon doesn't kill himself then you have two options of ejecting his soul from the shard and rendering it inert

[wanton pendant]

Ah, of course, one problem, how the hell do you even do that?

[west plume]

secret

[eternal veldt]

Im guessing in developement

[west plume]

yes

[eternal veldt]

Knew it. Well safe to safe to say im excited

[west plume]

its not super important

[eternal veldt]

No but i like to role play :3

Also i just really REALLY hate auric dragons :3

[wanton pendant]

Clearly we need to do surgery on him to extract the thingamabob.

[west plume]

you can also just go through with regular old imperfect ascension and become the God of Rebirth if you want to and choose not to reincarnate when you die

which is the simplest solution

[wanton pendant]

(You wouldn't be God of Rebirth if you did that.)

[eternal veldt]

OHHH so it's a choice!!!

[wanton pendant]

However, that does mean a new option for killing Yharon exists; give Yharon depression.

[west plume]

you will not be given a choice ingame; the player will not be able to become a god (as far as i know), but yes otherwise

[eternal veldt]

Awww RIP

[light linden]

I still hope we can find the egg at least

[eternal veldt]

Ehh player is nearly like a god at the end anyway

[wanton pendant]

I think it'd be a cool background thing in the Yharim Death Place.

[west plume]

you'd be given a fucked up domain but every player is different so i can't tell you which one

[wanton pendant]

More like... they're Like A Dragon.

[wanton pendant]

Finally, God of Lobsters.

[west plume]

i think yharim would have been the God of Stagnation tho

[light linden]

I wanna put it in a vault

[eternal veldt]

Ahhh yes the god of respawning over and over again and getting frustrated at the boss

Perfect

[cedar path]

I think it has been stated multiple times his domain would have been Eternity

[west plume]

i guess molting is a form of rebirth...

[wanton pendant]

It was more so an immortal lobster joke.

[eternal veldt]

Vulnerable every time you do so 🥀

[wanton pendant]

Don't recall that ever happening.

[split mortar]

Never beyond a “oh i personally headcanon this” from devs afaik

[west plume]

i don't really agree with it given that neither rebirth nor his AU domain would be about time and his current ingame theme is Stagnancy

[west plume]

these are just other developer opinions...?

[cedar path]

Yes, archonsystem

I know it's not official

[eternal veldt]

Mod has multiple devs though

[split mortar]

Eternity is basically stagnation no? Something never changing staying the same

[eternal veldt]

Wait do you guys have a main writer?

[west plume]

no

[cedar path]

I do think Stagnation is a better fit for Yharim NOW

[eternal veldt]

Get one 😭

[wanton pendant]

I don't even know who the lead writer is.

[cedar path]

but if he was to ascend when he was made to, Eternity would have been it

[eternal veldt]

Would perfectly ascending mean you get the dragon's domain?

[cedar path]

yes

[wanton pendant]

That's what it means.

[west plume]

Eternity sort of implies that things would have kept moving forward with little meaningful change, but his purpose was ultimately the same as Yharon's but for the deific council instead of the Auric dragons

[eternal veldt]

What would the god of rebirth be like.. would it just make respawning canon?

[wanton pendant]

You die, you become a baby again.

[west plume]

things wouldn't be moving forward at all

[eternal veldt]

A really angry baby LMAO

Memories are kept i presume.

[wanton pendant]

It works like that for Yharon.

[eternal veldt]

I see so it's a slightly worst respawn system LMAO that would suck in game though

[wanton pendant]

'Slightly.'

[eternal veldt]

How long did the crusade happened?

And did yharon had his current powers when he hatched from the egg when he saved yharim?

[wanton pendant]

105 years.

[eternal veldt]

Dayumn

[west plume]

yharon had all of his powers when he hatched, he was just like a small dragon capable of flying back then

and apparently lifting a grown man on his back

[eternal veldt]

Strong wings i guess

[wanton pendant]

He lifted with his knees, duh.

[eternal veldt]

He probobly used the shellphone when he ran out of flight time 🥀

[west plume]

i guess ignoring that yharim has always fucking hated gods, God King Yharim was being influenced to:

1. Believe that the best state for the world is the one where the 'righteous and chosen' people are in charge (He believes this)
2. Believe that the best action for the world is to keep things as they were when the 'righteous and chosen' people were in charge (He believes this)
3. Knowingly take on an aurIc soul belonging to the lynchpin of dragon society responsible for respawning people and take a puppet role as someone who would make the group of gods he was in effectively never be able to be eliminated

i personally believe that Yharim would have become the God of Stagnation if he smashed Yharon's egg and took on his soul when first offered the opportunity, I believe, and if not and he had a more forward-looking mindset he would probably have become the God of Permanence

[wanton pendant]

He should have focused on his hair and become the God of Youth so it never turns gray.

[plucky juniper]

this council of gods dont seem like good guys to me ngl

[eternal veldt]

They aren't

[west plume]

were they supposed to be good guys?

[wanton pendant]

Really? What gives you that idea?

Such a shock.

[plucky juniper]

gee i wonder why

it is honestly an interesting idea that yharim might have had his worldview irrevocably tainted by this group of gods more than anything

[west plume]

i think Yharim would become the God of Eternity if presented with the opportunity to take on Yharon's soul now since he has actually realized what the issues with his plan are and would absolutely continue pursuing Xeroc forever using his domain. i think the biggest difference from rebirth is that the power would be entirely selfish and not be able to be applied to others tho

[eternal veldt]

Only good god i know of is silva and she has the jungle... the most vile place worst than hell itself 🥀

[plucky juniper]

otonuliou was also apparently a really nice lad

and yharim decided even she had to go

[cedar path]

God of Sacrifice was good

I forgot the name

[zenith geode]

agnus

[robust osprey]

yharim trying to explain that the God of Joy and Happiness is actually worse than hitler

[zenith geode]

genuinely just john goodguy

[west plume]

we've talked about it a bit in dev

i genuinely think Yharim's imperfect ascension domain would be different depending on when he was given the chance to ascend

[eternal snow]

Yharim turning into npc and having his redemption arc

[wanton pendant]

Because Yharim grew and changed as a person.

[robust osprey]

Scal would fucking Kill You and go the fuck away

BUT. tax collector gets a buddy

[wanton pendant]

How, we just beat Yharim, duh, we can fold her like origami.

[robust osprey]

you know it's bad when he would be friends with tax collector

[eternal snow]

We all love yharim right

[west plume]

the Tax Collector is actually the God of Greed. Yharim kills him on the spot by ripping his heart out

[eternal veldt]

No

I hate dragon lovers

They must all die

[plucky juniper]

like it just makes sense. of course yharim would be more receptive to the idea that all gods are horrible if the gods that groomed him were, in fact, actually horrible people

[eternal veldt]

All dragons are evil

With auric soul or not

[wanton pendant]

Supreme Overlord, Yharim, is our benevolent saviour who CRUSHED the evil gods who ENSLAVED our people!

[wanton pendant]

They call that the Zandatsu method.

[eternal veldt]

Bro loves dragons 🥀 so no.

[eternal snow]

Why not

Dragons are aura

[eternal veldt]

Cuz i hate dragons

[robust osprey]

turns you into a dragon

[eternal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/bebe-gif-5526812072482676565

Embed fail

[eternal snow]

Theyre hot

And summon fire tornados on the arena

[wanton pendant]

What.

[eternal veldt]

Yharon would be after i tost his ass for KFC

[west plume]

yharon is a fire mage how r u gonna toast him

[stark flame]

[robust osprey]

you shall be crushed by the sheer force of a billion suns.

[eternal veldt]

Even hotter fire.

Hilarious how even hotter flames exists in this universe huh

[eternal snow]

I just want a yharon resprite already more lore accurate

[west plume]

that's fair

[wanton pendant]

They're working on it.

[noble falcon]

There is no such thing as the hottest fire in calamity
Or probably base terraria for that matter

[eternal veldt]

Yep there is always a hotter fire :3

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas probably has the highest recorded.

[west plume]

i never really considered that you could just roast yharon in something hotter than what he's resistant to

[leaden bridge]

i just want a yharon resprite
🥀

[west plume]

this may be revolutionary

[eternal veldt]

Dragons are all evil with good intentions or not and that's that. I don't wanna hear "but this dragon is really nice" bs.

[west plume]

thoughts on entirely harmless wyverns

[wanton pendant]

THEY ATE MY UNCLE!

[noble falcon]

If you have patience you can roast him with a weaker fire if you really wanted to
Me stanced up with my Elf Melter and a dream

[eternal veldt]

I have 6700 souls of flight in my chest rn

[west plume]

Gulp

[robust osprey]

how about the dragon of yuri

[eternal veldt]

I'd destroy that even without being a dragon 😭

[robust osprey]

I dont see you destroying me

square up

[west plume]

we cannot allow one individual to have power over yuri

[robust osprey]

👊

[robust osprey]

I already have it

[eternal veldt]

That's... that sounded wrong 😭

[robust osprey]

I'm too powerful

[robust osprey]

not to me

[eternal veldt]

Fr. It's a free space for all the people to have 🥀

[west plume]

share the magic with everyone

[robust osprey]

ok will do

[eternal veldt]

If a dragon is hoarding it i would have been mega racist towards dragon 🥀

[noble falcon]

I will steal it
Nobody will ever know

Like when Yharim stole Christmas

[west plume]

you can't have ALL the yuri.

[stark flame]

Where are the players from?

[noble falcon]

Delaware

[wanton pendant]

Somewhere.

[west plume]

wherever you decide your player is from is where they r from

[robust osprey]

from a place

[west plume]

except for from outer space unless they r an alien

[wanton pendant]

"Nearly as disconnected to this land and its history as I am."
-Sum total of all information of where you could be from.

So that doesn't narrow it down much.

[eternal veldt]

Tbh draedon did say we have absolutely no clue about terraria

[eternal veldt]

Yeah this line

[wanton pendant]

So, reasonably, you're not from the ruined, war torn, population of three continent.

[west plume]

you can be