lore-discussion

[split mortar]

Wasnt flame dragon in hell which has a ceiling

[wanton pendant]

A bit hard to fly in Hell.

[noble falcon]

Ok but there’s still room there

[split mortar]

Theres this thing called chasing them

[noble falcon]

Or just like climb up and live in a granite cave

New vacation home

[spare pier]

Wings are literally a thing you can craft

[wanton pendant]

Violates parole.

[noble falcon]

Not true!
See, the wall of flesh is not dead yet, therefore the only wings are the fledgling wings and you aren’t catching anything with those

[split mortar]

Yeah like
Im sure the people hunting dragons would be equipped to deal with
Flying

[spare pier]

Damn...

[noble falcon]

And before you say ‘Wof didn’t exist yet, are you a nimrod’, hard mode only starts after it dies so it still works out

[wanton pendant]

Wall of Flesh not built yet, so Wyverns can spawn, duh.

[dusk laurel]

(can skyline wings just die please)

[wanton pendant]

The existence of the Wall of Flesh causes pre-Hardmode, obviously.

[noble falcon]

Hard mode can only ever be started by the wall dying
The wall isn’t around yet, therefore it is not dead and has never been dead, and it is prehardmode

[wanton pendant]

Clearly you don't know Wall Theory.

[noble falcon]

Why didn’t any of the dragons just platform clip through the jungle temple door where the people couldn’t reach them

[split mortar]

I cannot tell if this was always a genuine convo or one covered in irony and shitposts

[noble falcon]

I think it’s a healthy mix

[dusk laurel]

i love taking game mechanics too seriously

[wanton pendant]

Lihzahrds are filthy god worshippers who crave their stolen power!
-Yharim Inc.

[split mortar]

I do not think the temple existed before gods did

[noble falcon]

The temple is made during world gen wdym broski

[light linden]

Hey madeline I have a question if you don't mind

[spare pier]

Shoot

[light linden]

what's your favorite calamity biome?

[spare pier]

The Sunken Sea because I'm biased

[split mortar]

Thats just the terrarian being born wdym

[spare pier]

[light linden]

I'm still curious as to what hallowed sunken sea would look like

likely extremely bright

[split mortar]

What is your least fav

[noble falcon]

Big clam eats empress of light
Becomes unstoppable

[spare pier]

Infection

[light linden]

[dusk laurel]

it would be really lame if sea prisms were in every single subbiome of the sunken sea

[light linden]

that's my favorite biome

[dusk laurel]

infection is the most potential biome rn atleast the other ones have good/better vibes

[light linden]

I like how the astral infection looks

also astrum aureus has my favorite boss theme

[dusk laurel]

boss themes will always mask how good something is in this mod

[light linden]

I mean

[split mortar]

I do not like the astral themes they are some of the weakest in calamity to me

[light linden]

I think aureus's gimmick is cool

[trim edge]

the sea prisms got such a glow up

[dusk laurel]

if you say aureus is a good boss im gonna blow you up

[light linden]

just doesn't do a good job

but the idea is cool

[spare pier]

I just realized that I gave Yharon the mother of all upscales

[dusk laurel]

they feel kinda muddy and like idk r very uninteresting

[wanton pendant]

Decoding message:
Yharon's mother is named Scales.

[spare pier]

Rebirth is now comically strong as a domain

[light linden]

I do wanna see what the wall climbing thing does to aureus tbh

[wanton pendant]

Can it do more than one very niche thing?

[trim edge]

first name allup

[spare pier]

It does fucking everything now

[long bloom]

fuck yeah

[split mortar]

I already gathered that since the coming back to life for phase 2 was gonna be brought back…

[spare pier]

I mean it's not just that

[long bloom]

second strongest dragon les go

[spare pier]

His rebirth in for Phase 2 is like

[noble falcon]

How does Norm Of The North factor into the calamity lore

[spare pier]

A specific combination of pyromancy and rebirth

[wanton pendant]

He's Noxus.

[noble falcon]

I had no idea

[trim edge]

why doesn't every boss just enrage to kill the terrarian easier are they stupid

[split mortar]

I imagine most enrages are game mechanics

[west plume]

bosses need to be ragebaited first sadly

[wanton pendant]

No, they're calm.

[trim edge]

provi's new enrage can definitely be interpreted as the terrarian ragebaiting lol

[noble falcon]

How does Queen bee fly through blocks like that
Are the blocks stupid

[wanton pendant]

Actually, summoning her is the ragebaiting.

[wanton pendant]

She's using the Z axis.

[light linden]

He?

[west plume]

she flies in front of the blocks!

[wanton pendant]

I TYPED SHE IT DIDN'T READ MY INPUT!

[spare pier]

It's unironically ragebaiting but also more like Goku letting Freeza get to 100% power

[trim edge]

is there a dragon of 3d

[dusk laurel]

no

[spare pier]

Yes I'm making one right now

[dusk laurel]

it was erased from existence

wtf

[spare pier]

TECHNICALLY

[wanton pendant]

No, but there's a Dragon of Speedbridging.

[spare pier]

Shakidou was the God of 3D

[trim edge]

who

[split mortar]

True

[wanton pendant]

The God of Emptiness.

[split mortar]

Shakidou yknow

[spare pier]

In earlier iterations, the God of Space

[wanton pendant]

We're currently hacking at them with hatchets.

[spare pier]

But I changed that

[split mortar]

God of In Stars And Time when

[west plume]

yes! sadly he was killed by a Flat Worm who became the God of 2D

[trim edge]

is scal's arena a cube or a very long box

[grim harness]

how does Yharim feel about the torch god

[wanton pendant]

Torch God may or may not exist or be a god.

If it's actually a god, he hates it.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[split mortar]

It changes shape mid fight in bs

[grim harness]

in beastiary

[spare pier]

Keyword: entity

[wanton pendant]

It's CLEARLY Xeroc.

[spare pier]

In Vanilla it's "an unknown deity"

[trim edge]

for old scal you could argue that calamitas only has a spell to create a fixed size box

[wanton pendant]

Like some kind of... nameless deity.

[trim edge]

but now she should be able to make a 3x2 box

[spare pier]

I changed it to say "entity" to make so it's not literally spelled out as a god

[split mortar]

unknown
Yharim does not know of torch god
entity
No one knows what the fuck it is

[grim harness]

on that topic,who's perspective is the bestiary written from?

[spare pier]

It can be a god, it can be something else, it can be whatever the fuck you find the most funny

[wanton pendant]

Nobody.

[trim edge]

the guide

[noble falcon]

Did Yharim ever learn about the dirtiest dirt blocks

[split mortar]

Omniscient unbiased third party that is not canon because confirming an omniscient character would be nuts

[wanton pendant]

And before you ask, that is the closest you get to God (Bible) in Calamity.

[trim edge]

sknce he just knows shit with no explanation

[noble falcon]

Clearly, someone has never heard of Fearless Goldfish Warrior

[wanton pendant]

That's God (Bible of Atlantis).

[noble falcon]

Fish Bible

[west plume]

if the player chooses to believe that torch god is a real ascended god that implies there being a dragon of non-primordial light which is really funny

[grim harness]

lmfao

[wanton pendant]

Or that it's Xeroc!
What is the sun, but the largest torch!

[split mortar]

The largest night light because xeroc cannot sleep in the dark

[cosmic zenith]

I'd say to be careful not to reveal too much

[spare pier]

Don't worry they aren't getting anything besides that

[noble falcon]

Can there be a room in the aerie when it gets added that has the very first Pinky ever made
The strongest being

[spare pier]

[wanton pendant]

Clearly it's also how Xeroc was able to watch us. He watches us through our torches.

[spare pier]

Not like "everything" is a useful descriptor

[split mortar]

Yharon can copy other auric powers clearly

[dusk laurel]

yharon can create and destroy black holes now

[wanton pendant]

Incredibly useful with all those Auric Dragons walking around.

[dusk laurel]

😊

[grim harness]

so the terraian is goku /j

[west plume]

you can already do this with regular terraria magic tho

[split mortar]

Them being gone is why it works
Temporarily rebirthing the power into prominence for a lil bit idk

[dusk laurel]

[wanton pendant]

You can do it with regular physics if you don't mind dying!

[grim harness]

also unrelated to my last message

[trim edge]

can yharon rebirth non auric dragon things

[wanton pendant]

Nope!

[grim harness]

ngl i like how the yharim lore makes it seem like he really doesn't want us to end up like him

[wanton pendant]

He does.

[long bloom]

not currently

[wanton pendant]

He wants you to be just like him, but better.

His entire plan hinges on you doing that.

[long bloom]

he manipulates you into becoming his successor for the entire game

[wanton pendant]

Also, 'better' as in more efficient.

Not morally better.

[grim harness]

well yeah better than him

thus,not like him

[split mortar]

He wants you to kill all the gods but more efficient and able to kill xeroc

[wanton pendant]

He wants you to be just as genocidal, racist and manipulative, but less apathetic.

[plucky lichen]

Hi lore

[split mortar]

Hello organ storer

[grim harness]

i mean,we kill most things,so are we racist if we kill everything

[wanton pendant]

Providence:

[plucky lichen]

@raven brook can you nickname me profaned defender wife again this is very important

[grim harness]

is it racist to be racist to everything possible (this is all very obviously a joke)

[plucky lichen]

It’s relevant to the lore because it’s canon

[grim harness]

i mean,i guess

considering her whole thing

[grim harness]

and by that i mean yharim has a skill issue /j

[plucky lichen]

Wow I’ve retuned to my natural state

[noble falcon]

How would the DoG wear pants
Would it wear one really big pant leg or loop itself through a pair like the snake guy from yooka-laylee
Or perhaps something beyond even that

[plucky lichen]

Thank you cheese

[wanton pendant]

DoG would never wear pants. The mere idea is preposterous.

[grim harness]

ah yes,needed lore

[wanton pendant]

How would Yharon wear pants, however...

[noble falcon]

It’s not about ‘would he’
It’s about ‘how would he’

[plucky lichen]

Dog would have a normal sized pair of jeans like on his stupid swirly tail end

That’s how he would

Or he would get hungry and eat them

God of pants eaten

[noble falcon]

With a big ass cosmilite belt buckle engraved with “Cool Worm”

[plucky lichen]

Yeah you get it

[raven brook]

You, as a player, choose what you kill

[grim harness]

which terraria boss would like hoodies most

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas I guess?

[split mortar]

Prolly scal

[noble falcon]

Cultist
Already has one

[raven brook]

yeah i think shed like hoodies

[grim harness]

i guess

[raven brook]

cultist isnt really wearing a hoodie its more of a robe

[grim harness]

yeah

[raven brook]

/mantle

[grim harness]

lmfao

[split mortar]

What are you developing you developer

[raven brook]

And even then id say the most morally fallible out of all of the Terrarian's big kills are like

[wanton pendant]

Aquatic Scourge is a demon. Deserved.

[raven brook]

Moon Lord because it is threatening innocent individuals and would not pose a danger if you did not release it

Wall of Flesh because it releases spirits into the continent that warp it into a more dangerous overall state

Aquatic Scourge and Queen Bee are relatively harmless animals who only attack once provoked but i think those are lesser in comparison

beyond those everything else falls under

[split mortar]

I consider it as bad as like hunting an animal

[raven brook]

1. Destructive and dangerous and better to be put down (Ravager, PBG)
2. Not necessarily evil but did attakc you for one reason or another so you are just exercising self-defense (Desert scourge)
3. Just straight up evil (Alot of the bosses including most things post ml)

[plucky lichen]

I was about to say it may be a little morally questionable to fight the lunatic cultist who was protecting the seal or whatever but one of their goons shot my ass with a wooden bow and arrow so that basically makes them Hitler

[raven brook]

Yeah it can be seen as morally fallible under the right context but it's nto as bad id say

[wanton pendant]

Lunatic Cultist also was complicit in genocide.

[raven brook]

Lunatic Cultist is the leader ofa cult that actively supported super hitler and acted as the wardens of their extremel hell torture dungeon

So the moral fallacy comes more from unsealing ml id say which i included in ml itself more than cultist

cuz cultist is kind of uh

[plucky lichen]

Oh true lowkey forgot about that but I think the arrow incident was worse

[raven brook]

not a good perso nin the slightest

thats true.

[plucky lichen]

I’m going to the mall to get my prom dress soon

[raven brook]

yay!

[wanton pendant]

Adding malls to the lore document.

[plucky lichen]

Guys it’s true I’m going to prom with the profaned defender

[raven brook]

Like Desert Scourge isn't evil and i think realistically you could've maybe found a way to avoid it while not having to kill it but its still a hungry predator trying to eat you so at wrost it's just self defense against a animal which makes it pretty understandable and not at all particularly morally fallbile idt

i really do think WoF and Ml are the two worst ones

Not because of the individuals but the threat that their fights provide to the wrold at large and how this threat just wouldnt have existed if you left them be

[plucky lichen]

It’s fine I killed moon lord first try guys

[wanton pendant]

To be fair, how could you know that killing the giant hulking mass of flesh in Hell would cause it to explode pollutants all over the continent?

[raven brook]

Sure, someone else wouldve probably killed ML if you didn't but there coulda still been casualties and

by all means

[plucky lichen]

Even though it didn’t give me a minute to spawn and I was scrambling around like a jackass

[raven brook]

they wouldve been ur fault

[split mortar]

Theres also the possibility the terrarian just did not know about the seal and ml

[plucky lichen]

It killed like every npc but they came back. It’s fine

[split mortar]

Looks like they are worshipping the damn thing if anything

[wanton pendant]

The wall was literally being worshipped by demons!

[raven brook]

There's alot of possible reasons for why they woulda done WoF and Ml because terrarian you

but i think inherently just based on the possible consequences theyre still the most morally fallbile

[split mortar]

Yeah

True

Well id say LC instead of ml since ml descending onto the planet is like guaranteed once LC is down

[raven brook]

fair

[wanton pendant]

Hey, that cultist would probably die eventually, we're just cleaning up that mess before it gets out of hand!

[noble falcon]

What is Yharim’s favorite furniture set

[wanton pendant]

Auric Tesla Toilet.

[raven brook]

dragon

[noble falcon]

Not what I asked ab the toilet I mean

[raven brook]

dragon furniture set made to look like dragons

[wanton pendant]

Whatever is trending with furries.

[thick slate]

thats kinda grim

does yharon have a human furniture set

[wanton pendant]

Maybe.

[raven brook]

they both have tables themed after eachother

[noble falcon]

“Ah, Terrarian, welcome to the Aerie. Please, take a seat on my most luxurious extinct creatures couch.”

[gritty kraken]

Why does he have that is he evil

[wanton pendant]

He probably has Shakidou taxidermied somewhere.

[raven brook]

i mean its no different from how people have furniture with decorations and symbolism of jesus/christianity/etc on them

theyre figures of worship

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[noble falcon]

He has a big ass cross-stitched queen bee he made hanging up next to it

[grim harness]

who has the highest kill count outside the player?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim and Calamitas.

[grim harness]

yeah figured

[split mortar]

Probably also draedon
The nano plague doing fucking numbers for his kill count i imagine

[wanton pendant]

Depends on if we count non-sapient kills.

[split mortar]

Maybe providence as well

[wanton pendant]

Because that would MASSIVELY inflate kill counts.

Particularly for Calamitas and Draedon.
(Providence too, I suppose.)

[grim harness]

well yeah,Ms.

[raven brook]

the player's killcount isnt even particularly notable in the grand scheme of things

[grim harness]

yeah i guess

[wanton pendant]

How many Goblin Armies did you kill!?

[raven brook]

yopu killed some goblins that invaded your town, yharim commited global genocide for 100 years

[grim harness]

also it's funny as hell how nobody seems to particularly like the devourer of gods

[wanton pendant]

He's a mere casual racist.

He cannot stand up to the ranked, competitive racists.

[grim harness]

it makes sense he's a cocky asshole

[wanton pendant]

I hope Permafrost gets more stuff somewhat soon.

[split mortar]

I hope gets more stuff somewhat soon.

[robust osprey]

give him dad jokes

[split mortar]

Fight me

[robust osprey]

fights you

[wanton pendant]

He needs some way to break the ice.

[pulsar ocean]

bring the hog meat to permafrost to initiate the bossfight

[robust osprey]

scal alternate route where you kill her and permafrost gets really mad at you and desintegrates you

[thick slate]

if u killing scal

permafrost aint doing shit

[split mortar]

You lack the horses to understand

[wanton pendant]

Ok, but like, you killed his kid, so he's gotta lock in.

[thick slate]

adopted so it dont count

• hes old

[split mortar]

Thats a buff

[thick slate]

whens he start balding

[wanton pendant]

Are you saying that adoption doesn't count?
For shame.

[thick slate]

yea but only cuz hes old

[thick slate]

yo lore doc makers

what colour is the background of the doc

i like it, it soothes my brain

o wait i can just make a copy

[dusk laurel]

its like the lightest default red

[thick slate]

yea

whoever did the formatting for the doc i love u

its so pleasing

love

good colour scheme beautiful

[long bloom]

which doc is that

i dont recgonize it

[leaden bridge]

Probably their own they just got the color scheme from the lore docs which is why they were asking

[long bloom]

i see

[noble falcon]

New lore theory
The dirtiest dirt blocks are actually dirt blocks that ascended with the souls of very small, itty bitty dragons
But they were already pretty content being dirt blocks so they just decided to hang out until you stumble across them, then they go on adventures

[thick slate]

i stole it

this is taylor making dnd doc

[eternal veldt]

Imagine having a god as a pet 🥀

[noble falcon]

Not a pet
A friend

[eternal veldt]

How well do you think the hollow knight "knight" fare in calamity?

I downloaded this mod. Not an addon. It adds hallow knight to terraria and i was wondering... damn this guy could face off the calamity bosses.

[feral skiff]

the terrarian is GlaDOS from portal because i said so

[noble falcon]

The moon lord is Wheatley come back for vengeance
That is why he is blue

[eternal veldt]

To be fair that could be canon in your world 🙏 terrarian has no lore

[dusk laurel]

his teachings spread

[feral skiff]

recreating the entirety of Portal in Calamity Mod

except it has a budget of 0$ and it’s just me LARPing

if i upload that to youtube someone would probably watch it

[stark flame]

What does Dragon of Night > God of Emptiness mean?
In what way is the Dragon of Night greater than the God of Emptiness? Is it power?

[split mortar]

That means the god of emptiness ate the dragon of night to ascend

[young socket]

its an arrow

[stark flame]

Shakidou, God of Space
Space？

[split mortar]

Thats an earlier iteration of the character

They changed it to emptiness

[stark flame]

oh

Xeroc’s pre-ascension form pictured below？Why does Xeroc have giant glowing runes?

[split mortar]

Because he is the monk of the dragon of primordial light and thats the primordial light sigil behind him iirc

[stark flame]

Is this something he got after becoming the dragon’s monk?

[split mortar]

Id presume after becoming the monk but idt the time that appearing was confirmed

[eternal veldt]

Anyway

[eternal veldt]

How do you think this would work out? ^^^

[eternal veldt]

Is this official? If so he looks badass as hell

[robust osprey]

yeah it's official concept art

[leaden bridge]

scaling any hk character outside of its verse is genuinely impossible nobody knows how to do it

[split mortar]

^

[robust osprey]

bug tier

shrimple

just compare them to australia bug

[split mortar]

Like are they tiny bugs a person can kick? Maybe??? But then also the knight might also be 5 foot smth who the shit knows
And then theres the more magical deity figures which yeah good luck even trying on those

[eternal veldt]

Ngl i only thought of this cuz of that giant moth... he looks like provi.

[split mortar]

Markoth?

[leaden bridge]

i am 100% radiance could infect the cal verse without much effort

[young socket]

siffrin.

[split mortar]

Wait no you prob mean radiance
She is a mental hazard and prob fucks up the entire planet yeah

[split mortar]

Said he not she so i thought of male mothe

[leaden bridge]

like everyone in hallownest who is holding on is only really barely doing so

and they're helped byt he fact shes sealed

[eternal veldt]

Astral infection comming in clutch like gojo 🙏

[leaden bridge]

as would be the first to fall

beings with less complex minds are more susceptible to radiance

[split mortar]

Astral infection is the radiance infection but much less dangerous

[robust osprey]

dung defender solos yharm

[leaden bridge]

so radiance would have an easy time hijacking what it has already hijacked

[eternal veldt]

That's just the terrarian in beetle armor

[robust osprey]

does the terrarian have the ability to swim in poo

[eternal veldt]

Unfortunately...

Yes

[split mortar]

Astral gets beat by a mind being sapient
The radiance can infect sapient minds and even more disciplined ones like the mantis still have a like 25% failure from temptation long term iirc

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough

[robust osprey]

I mean. traitor lord kinda let himself get infected

didn't he

to get stronk

[split mortar]

Hence From temptation

[robust osprey]

and other mantis just followed him

does the astral make you stronger even.

[split mortar]

Read the enemy bestiary entries

They are literally normal enemies infected

[robust osprey]

oh right I know how to read now

[eternal veldt]

How about the other big boy stuff like xeroc?

Or the elementals im pretty sure wouldn't be susceptible to it

[robust osprey]

what abt him

[eternal veldt]

Well his powers looks like it can fight radiance.

[leaden bridge]

everyone is susceptible to the infection. it's just stronger minds can fend off for a while

and radiance's reach is limited

[robust osprey]

menderbug is the goat and goats never get infected

[leaden bridge]

there is an assumption that the reason hk was trained was because they had to fight radiance before it was sealed inside of them, assuming she has the same capacities she does in dream world then realistically yeah you'd think calamity people can put up a fight, but the actual powerlevel of stuff is really vague in hk so

like reminder both hk protagonists are direct children of hyperpowerful gods

[robust osprey]

how powerful are they really

like. is it really that hard to brainwash. bugs.

[eternal veldt]

Government done it with bees for bomb ditection. Sooooo

[eternal veldt]

Oof ig calamity gods doesn't look too powerfull after they got beat by ironman and his pet KFC.

[split mortar]

Their size alone is up for debate
Also its bugs with human minds so yeah

[eternal veldt]

Well i only opened it up cuz of radiance and she seems to fit calamity fairly well too. I think she'd be a prime yharim target if she did infect terraria

[eternal veldt]

I wonder if silva will ever make an appearance though

Would be coold to have her as an NPC

[split mortar]

Silva rn

[eternal veldt]

Do you have an idea or picture of how Ilmaris and other ruined civilizations before they collapsed i have a hopy of rebuilding wrecked stuff in sandbox games that i play.

[eternal veldt]

We can save her. Trust

[split mortar]

I do not think anyone could even hurt the radiance in calamity she could just bulshit around freely in the dream realm or whatever

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough alot of hollow knight enemies just have really good hax

[split mortar]

#spoilers message smth about chrysadia you could use for inspiration
Idk about ilmeris though

[eternal veldt]

Sky islands or is it located in the surface

[robust osprey]

what god would she be of even

[split mortar]

Chrysadia is the sky island civilisation that got nuked by being the first target of moonlord

[split mortar]

God of dreams:

[robust osprey]

oh right

yeah that'd make sense

but what dragon tho

dragon of hope...

[split mortar]

Dragon of mind:

[robust osprey]

I think both mind and hope would work

for dreams

like. putting the undertale rererence away.

it'd make sense

[split mortar]

I think mind works better due to it being more subconscious dreams stuff then a goal like hopes sre

[eternal veldt]

🙏 wishing some of them survived since i would just be building houses for no people then

[robust osprey]

well I mean dreams can also mean a goal

[eternal veldt]

Ilmaris would work cuz for sure some people survived

[split mortar]

Re read what i said

I did not say dreams cant be a goal
Just that the radiance stuff is more subconscious related which fits mind better

[robust osprey]

o

thought you were talkin about the actual domain not radianc

[split mortar]

BOTH

[eternal veldt]

Do i just bomb the desert for Ilmaris?

[split mortar]

No the surface was always a desert and i think calamitas bombed it enough

[eternal veldt]

I wonder if there is an easier way of clearing it though

[eternal veldt]

Ohhhh LMAO

Where do i rebuild it though?

Sunken?

Nvm im just gonna turn the entire dessert into an ocean. My best boy deserves it

[split mortar]

Ilmeran sea was always underground it just covered 90% of the underground desert calamitas just made it be deeper down

[eternal veldt]

Must've been horrific. Calamitas was literally making soup

Got all the ingredients ready.

Meat, veggies, spices and water

[wanton nest]

Question from new member (me): will yharim be the last boss?

[trim edge]

how is there no glass in the desert given how hot calamitas' flames are

[wanton pendant]

He will be the final boss.

[eternal veldt]

Yep

[wanton pendant]

Theory: Sand Elemental grinded it all down into sand.

[eternal veldt]

I took them all since i needed them for glass bottles

I needa feed my potion addiction 🙏

[wanton nest]

If he was hard in normal calamity, i want to see it in infernum

💀

[wanton pendant]

He will not have an Infernum boss fight.

[wanton nest]

?

[wanton pendant]

?

Infernum has been finished for ages, it's not getting anything added.

[wanton nest]

Dayum i just finished the calamity mod and about to try infernum

[eternal veldt]

Just go death mode

[wanton nest]

Why?

[eternal veldt]

Or if you are really masochistic. Give him like 3x health

[eternal veldt]

Death mode makes all bosses tankier and gives them better attacks and stuff

Blah blah blah basically harder

[split mortar]

Death is still mostly fabsolian so infernum still has appeal

[wanton nest]

I done revengeance mode in my first playthrough

[split mortar]

Final boss but if the devs decide then wont be the last boss with noxus and xeroc serving as post game superbosses

[eternal veldt]

I don't think those 2 would be added. Yharim has more chances

Than xeroc and noxus

[wanton nest]

I don't think the terraian will love to fight xeroc or noxus, as they gods

[wanton pendant]

Noxus isn't a god.

[split mortar]

Noxus is not a god

[wanton pendant]

And you fight gods in-game.

[eternal veldt]

We literally just killed providence

[wanton nest]

Mb

[noble falcon]

I hope we go and challenge Yharim to a battle in his arena like the hollow knight final bosses, that’d kick ass

[split mortar]

Slime god, ravager and providence

Also xeroc has The Actual Sun as their power so we will not kill em just a spar or test

[split mortar]

We will fight him in the dragons aerie

[noble falcon]

I know

[wanton pendant]

And you fight Slime God and Providence, and you fight the god corpses of Ravager, Hive Mind and Perforators.

[dusk laurel]

i have faith in the devs

[wanton nest]

Isn't he like follow our footsteps and he is the one who add awakening lore to us?

[wanton pendant]

Other way around.

[wanton nest]

So he might be

[noble falcon]

I mean like having a cool moment where we get stanced up like when you fight the radiance

[eternal veldt]

I'll flood the aeri the moment i get in there cuz my queen anahita says so. And because I hate the dragons so much..

[split mortar]

Yharim wants to indoctrinate you into continuing his genocides

[wanton nest]

He run away because of his action

[split mortar]

Also this important

[wanton pendant]

Yes, he's depressed that he can't complete his genocide.
That's why he wants YOU to help him!

[eternal veldt]

Dragons can go die in a ditch. 🙏

[noble falcon]

The player shows up, draws their (insert viable weapon for their class) “Yharim, I remember you’re genocides.”

[wanton nest]

I guess we will fight him after he deal with draedon

[noble falcon]

And then we get a 20-minute song consisting of rock guitars and more church bells than there are people on earth

[wanton pendant]

Yes, Yharim will be after both the Exo Mechs and Supreme Witch, Calamitas.

[eternal veldt]

It's like hi*ler personally asking you to join the war

[eternal veldt]

Copper shortsword... im petty.

[noble falcon]

With the new zenith shimmer interaction, you could!

[wanton pendant]

It's more like Hitler personally asking you to become the next leader of his empire.

[wanton nest]

Yh because they equal in power right? Exo and calamity

[split mortar]

Yeah bosses that share progression spot are same strength

[wanton pendant]

Pretty much, yeah. Different skill sets, but same tier.

[eternal veldt]

No. Im stubborn ill probobly use the normal copper shortsword.

[wanton nest]

Anyway that the awakening lore item "The tombs of the dragons stir. My eyes lift to see ancient dust dancing from high ledges.
These grand wings… how long has it been since I was a hero worthy of their name?
It feels like centuries have passed, yet all I've done is blink.
Look upon my works, as they are… Ruined. None would dare seek me out; tread my path.
Naught awaits them in this cruel world."

Tread my path

[noble falcon]

Someone will eventually
It could very well be you!

[eternal veldt]

Yharim gonna feel how those early game slimes felt

[wanton nest]

You right @wanton pendant

[noble falcon]

There is no boss impossible with just the copper shortsword
Only players lacking patience

[eternal veldt]

I simply hate him cuz he is allied with a dragon. . . God i hate dragons so much 🙏

[split mortar]

Id hope someome contributing to the lore document is correct on pretty major lore details like that

[noble falcon]

It might take a calendar year to beat Yharim with the copper shortsword but you’ll probably be able to

[wanton nest]

🙏

[eternal veldt]

Spite can really bring you to such heights

[wanton nest]

I love dragons

[wanton pendant]

Yharim:

[eternal veldt]

:0

Dragons suck

[noble falcon]

Evil Yharim

[wanton nest]

I guess you hate yharon

[split mortar]

Dragons are cool

[wanton nest]

Right?

[eternal veldt]

Yep...

I despise him

Matter of fact

[split mortar]

Yharon resprite save us from the mcdonald meal

[wanton nest]

How much you died to him

[eternal veldt]

I'd probobly use his domain of rebirth just to get infinite KFC

[wanton nest]

I hate devaour of god

[eternal veldt]

None cuz i ain't never gonna let some dirty dragon take me out

[wanton nest]

I died to him 19 times or more i forgot

[split mortar]

Wait is 19 a lot of deaths

[noble falcon]

Yharim should be mad at you if you show up with the Yharon boss mask
Like “Yeah just wear my dead friend’s pelt like a Halloween costume, just, yeah just do that I guess.”

[wanton nest]

Idk it in revengeance mode in my first playthrough so i dk his moves

[eternal veldt]

It'd be funnier if he sees us riding yharon

[eternal veldt]

Brainstorm update made every boss a pushover though

[split mortar]

DoG got reworked this update so you would not have known the moves either way
Glad brainstorm dog was your first experience with the boss

[split mortar]

Difficulty is subjective

[wanton nest]

I play calamity before the update

[wanton pendant]

We're sorry about that.

[split mortar]

Rip

[noble falcon]

I have yet to fight new dog actually
I’m also considering doing an acrylic painting of him wearing his swag-ass pants from the conversation the other day

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough. Im. Still traumatized playing master mode on old calamity as a first playthrough. 🙏

[wanton nest]

It was ez and fun tbh

[split mortar]

Fun and pre bs DoG what

[wanton nest]

?

[eternal veldt]

Pre brainstorm DOG is not fun to fight

[split mortar]

It is such an ass fight the devs reworked it just because they felt they could not allow a boss that shit to exist in the mod

[eternal veldt]

But then again

[wanton nest]

I guess my tease of fights weird to you guys 😓

[noble falcon]

I’m doing an Infernal Eclipse Of Ragnarok run rn, it’ll be a while before I experience the new dog

[eternal veldt]

It's a worm boss

[eternal veldt]

Was calamitas clone also reworked?

I wonder if calamitas herself has been

[split mortar]

Calclone and scal got much more minor changes rather then a near complete overhaul of the fight

[eternal veldt]

Visually i meant

[split mortar]

Clone did idk about scal

[eternal veldt]

Ic

[wanton nest]

How hard was your first fight to calamitias

?

[eternal veldt]

Imma get to the end to see then

[eternal veldt]

Hell

[wanton nest]

Idk but it was hard to me

[wanton nest]

Oh

[wanton pendant]

Both Calamitasi got a new arena.

[noble falcon]

Not super bad actually
DoG was easily the hardest fight to me, exo mechs were rough but also not so bad

[split mortar]

My first time fighting scal outside of normal mode took fucking ages
Refused to fight the boss for years after
Suddenly i can beat her easily

[split mortar]

VISUAL

[wanton pendant]

Arena is visually different.

[eternal veldt]

I was playing old calamity on master revengeance mode. I would honestly rather chop my hand off. Grind it up and shove it up my ahh than play it again.

[split mortar]

You can walk in a straight line and dodge most their attacks iirc

[noble falcon]

Halley’s Inferno used to do like no damage to DoG so my first win against it was the one deafening grenade launcher weapon that just annihilated his health with good positioning

[eternal veldt]

So ofc scal fight was gonna be hell

[wanton nest]

Providence was the easiest boss to me

[noble falcon]

I mean yeah but knowing HOW to do smth is a whole heck of a lot different than actually doing the thing
He was so good at just readjusting himself ever so slightly to ruin your rhythm

[eternal veldt]

For me it was moonlord

Moonlord has became a massive pushover idk why

[wanton nest]

It vanilla terraria i mean about calamity

[eternal veldt]

Yeah i also meant calamity

[wanton nest]

In lore he made the mess in auric age ngl

[eternal veldt]

Ngl some bosses in vanilla are harder while some are complete pushovers

[wanton nest]

The hardest boss to me, ik it really stupid but it was the endless void

🥲

[eternal veldt]

The most is definitely moonlord. I struggled more with king slime than that oversized calamari

[split mortar]

Ceaseless void is weird i do not blame you

[eternal veldt]

I respect him though... bro wiped out a lot of dragons which i am INSANELY happy about

Death to the dragons

[wanton nest]

... 😭

[wanton nest]

🙏

[split mortar]

Avitus that you?

[wanton pendant]

I knew it.

[wanton nest]

Because you fight him in vanilla terraria and loot him alot for zenith i guess you have a powerful muscle memory

[noble falcon]

I’m telling you, if Mr Stabby was around during the crusade, he would have put a stop to all of that

[wanton nest]

From haunted hotel?

[noble falcon]

No from frost legion

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough. I think moonlord needs an upgrade.

I could beat him with no arena and 0 pots

[wanton nest]

He definitely need it, you respect him dragon hater 😭

[eternal veldt]

He would stab yharim 100% nobody expects a snowman to be armed

[wanton nest]

That really what you need to beat him i always fight him with no arena

[noble falcon]

Finally someone gets it

Like yharim sets his goals so high he’d totally overlook a little snow dude coming for him

It would be easy

[eternal veldt]

Mr stabby the goat fr fr

[wanton nest]

Sorry for that🥲

[eternal veldt]

Yes. I don't wanna see my goat dragon killer a pushover

[noble falcon]

There was a goat dragon?

I had no idea

[eternal veldt]

It'd be hilarious if there was

[wanton nest]

GOAT

[noble falcon]

I mean who’s to say there wasn’t actually

Like why wouldn’t there be one resembling one

[wanton nest]

I find one

[wanton pendant]

Ah, yes, the Dragon of Rock Climbing.
Slain by a cement mixer falling from above, a real tragedy.

[eternal veldt]

Torch god is still one of my fav gods. Even if he isn't considered a god.

[noble falcon]

Oh damn
Just like the lady from Monster House
A terrible way to go

[eternal veldt]

Cement mixer gained an auric soul 🙏

[noble falcon]

Then immediately ground it up when it powered on and now we have auric Tesla block sets

[eternal veldt]

Accedentally performing the ritual and became the torch god

[eternal veldt]

LMAO

[wanton nest]

I laugh so hard when i knew i could ponce with auric tesla ore

It was really good moment until i see my health

[eternal veldt]

Why does the auric yoyo looks like a mouse. Ngl i want a mouse that looks like it 🙏 it looks comfortable to use

[noble falcon]

What would happen if we shot Yharim with the Shimmer Gun

[wanton pendant]

He turns blue. That's it.

[wanton nest]

Turn into dragon

[eternal veldt]

Matter of fact imma go murder yharon so i can make a mouse off of his soul

[noble falcon]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually do some kind of interaction like that
Show what he could have turned out like and all that

[wanton nest]

Let my boy he did nothing wrong 🙏

[eternal veldt]

No... his armor would turn into the downgraded materials🙏

[wanton pendant]

He did like, a lot of things wrong.

[wanton nest]

In his well?

[eternal veldt]

LMAO yharon and innocent in the same sentence???

[wanton pendant]

Genocide, mainly.

[wanton nest]

I hear he was being control

[eternal veldt]

His soul is becoming my new mouse and that's that 🙏

[eternal veldt]

No that was yharim

[wanton pendant]

Nobody was controlling Yharon.

He did that by his own free will.

[eternal veldt]

DOG fr the devil in yharim's shoulders

Yharon was just out for divine blood

[wanton nest]

And there no angel on the other

[eternal veldt]

Nope it's another demon called yharon

🙏

Matter of fact there is a third demon called draedon

[wanton nest]

Man let my dragon alone

[eternal veldt]

LMAO

[wanton nest]

He fr a devil i hate him

[eternal veldt]

He's a dragon 😭. He must die

Yharon gonna be an infinite food source

[wanton nest]

Goat dragon

[eternal veldt]

Dragon of rebirth my azs. He can rebirth in my frying pan

[wanton nest]

Btw he was called Resplendent Phoenix

You hate phoenix?

[wanton pendant]

That is one of his nicknames.

[wanton nest]

I k

Phoenix was sometimes called dragons

[wanton pendant]

What?

[eternal veldt]

If it's affiliated with dragons then yes

I just hate dragons so much ngl

Makes me wanna flood entire terraria

[wanton nest]

And yharon was really like phoenix, phoenix died and rebirth after a while

[eternal veldt]

With my bottomless waterbucket

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's why he's called that.

[wanton nest]

Why i really need to know that lore of you

[wanton nest]

Resplendent Phoenix

Yh

[eternal veldt]

Yep. That's why i have a theory that if silva gets rescued and he tells us how to ascend we might become the god of rebirth making respawning canon. Ofc it's a stretch but it's fun to think about

[wanton pendant]

Silva's a woman.

[eternal veldt]

Im sleepy

I forget letters on my stuff sometimes

[noble falcon]

Silva’s currently a pile at the bottom of the sea actually

[wanton nest]

But i think that will lend to us fight yharim

[wanton pendant]

Silva won't escape the Abyss in the timespan of the game.

[eternal veldt]

Yep

[eternal veldt]

Not if the terrarian has something to do with it >:D

Silva supporters calling her kind when i show them the jungle

[wanton nest]

Hmm, might that make Primordial Wyrm, a main boss we fight him to free silva, i know that not canon and not right in lore but we might be around it a bit to make it possible

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Wyrm works for Silva.

It is also not a 'main boss' in any capacity.

[wanton nest]

Ik

That why i said, it might be not in the lore but it can be around it

Ok gtg, it was good talking to you guys, you really good respectful people 🫡

[split mortar]

Primordial wyrm does exist in lore its just a optional post game superboss technically

[wanton pendant]

It's a hidden boss.

The term superboss isn't used anymore (for now).

[light linden]

just hit me

[wanton pendant]

(At one point Supreme Calamitas was one, for some reason.)

[light linden]

is the Primordial Wyrm a warlock with Silva as their patron?

[wanton pendant]

Uhhhhhh...

[eternal veldt]

Well more like a cleric

[light linden]

not a cleric

[raven brook]

its more like a cleric yeah

was basically randomly blessed by a god rather than making some sort of pact or bargain wtih it

[light linden]

clerics usually have to pray and/or maintain favor tmk

[light linden]

I mean

do we know it didn't?

[eternal veldt]

Well he's doing his best ain't he?

[raven brook]

i mean theoretically it COULD have i guess

[light linden]

they could be keeping her body safe from yharim

[raven brook]

nothing seems to really support that

[split mortar]

What is yharim gonna do
Drown in the abyss

[light linden]

also I uh

[wanton pendant]

I think if Yharim wanted her body, he wouldn't have tossed it into the deepest pit he could find.

[raven brook]

its like possible but it dont really got any direct support rn

[light linden]

do we know if the Primordial Wyrm is sapient?

[eternal veldt]

Equip him with the diver suit. Only takes 1 accessory slot anyway 🙏

[raven brook]

It seems to be atleast above animalistic intelligence

[wanton pendant]

Horns are too big for it.

[light linden]

I made a comment about the sheer amount of vocalizations that eidolon wyrms make might suggest they are

[eternal veldt]

DOG level?

[raven brook]

It is capable of holding very long term grudges which technically animals can do but specially a long term grudge against primodial light, assusming because of xeroc

[raven brook]

dog isnt even animalsitic or anything its just straight up fully sapient

hes as smart as ike a guy

[eternal veldt]

Ahh

[raven brook]

And based on the pattern seen with old duke it seems like the oldest offshoots are the most sapient, so

There is no outright confirmation ingame but it seems more plausible for pw to be sapient than for it to not be

[light linden]

@cosmic zenithyou're the dragon guy can you weigh in on this please?

[raven brook]

Thudner weren't you already told abt stuff like this yesterday (?)

The super specific worldbuilding question stuff

[eternal veldt]

Kinda stupid honestly. He could have kept it till he found a way to destroy her entirely

[raven brook]

its just impossible

unless you kill all life (on earth)

if you destroy her body completely a new one will just form somewhere else

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but like, that's not feasible.

[split mortar]

She would just reform if her body was somehow completely destroyed

[light linden]

it's not completely out of left field

[cosmic zenith]

Interesting idea

[light linden]

I remember him talking about some draconic offshoots being sapient before

[cosmic zenith]

I'd rather not speak about this

[eternal veldt]

Better than throwing it somewhere giving her a chance to reforem 🙏

[light linden]

gotcha sorry

[mighty zenith]

like she wouldnt reform outside of the abyss anyway

[raven brook]

It's not a bad idea or anything but i do think you should embrace just headcanoing stuff and having theories/ideas without the need for developer confirmation on basically everything

[cosmic zenith]

No need to be sorry, just something I will share in the future

[split mortar]

No because yharim knows thats just actually impossible to put her down forever

[raven brook]

She will reform no matter what you do

[cosmic zenith]

Indeed

[mighty zenith]

devs should start lying gooseworx style

[split mortar]

Yeas

[mighty zenith]

"hey is this canon"
"yes (actually no)"

[raven brook]

If he dumsp her in the abyss he is atleast significantly slowering her reofrming cuz shes stuck at the bottom of the abyss

[eternal veldt]

Allow us to get both frosty and flame bats like the the slime prince and princess 🙏

[raven brook]

bros a lore writer

[light linden]

I wonder

what do eidolon wyrms eat?

[eternal veldt]

Does throwing her in the abyss help slow it down?

[raven brook]

I think currently they're meant to be filter feeders

[split mortar]

Funky ancient manipulator is ml organ repurposed headcanon

[raven brook]

idrm the source ofr taht though

or if theyre being kept as that

[light linden]

their size and location suggests they're filter feeders

[raven brook]

i like the idea theyre like sperm whales nad eat giant squids

[light linden]

actually

[split mortar]

Yeah somewhat since she gotta deal with the fuckton of pressure and also climb out

[raven brook]

cuz thats badass and still makes them distinct from just a typical macropredator

[light linden]

I could see them hunting the bobbit worm things

[raven brook]

specializing on squids specifically

[light linden]

just pulling them out of their tunnels

[raven brook]

i can see that yeah

i still like to think they eat giant and colossal squids because RAHHH SPERM WHALES R AWESOME RAHH

[light linden]

tmk no other animal in layer 4 seems like they'd be capable of hunting them efficiently

[mighty zenith]

baiting a bobbit worm to bite it then electrocute it

[eternal veldt]

I see. So theoretically if the terrarian somehow managed to find a way to help. Coul terrarian potentially save her accelerating her regeneration?

[mighty zenith]

they do have lightning magic

[raven brook]

electrocute??

[mighty zenith]

eidolon wyrms

[raven brook]

oh right yeah the cultist attacks which are 100% being removed

[wanton pendant]

Well you COULD drag the corpse out, but I don't think you can just give her the Ethan Winters special.

[split mortar]

Persmaps but thats not really feasible to add to the game

[mighty zenith]

shh

[young socket]

wyrms squids and reaper sharks have a rock paper scissors style dynamic and my evidence is Nothing

[mighty zenith]

my evidence is rule of cool

[split mortar]

Devour the abyss gravel

[eternal veldt]

Imagine dragging her out and all you get is cheaper healing pots 🙏

[light linden]

I was thinking of them using their sonar wave things to bore into their tunnels, biting the very confused worms, and then yanking them out

[eternal veldt]

But hey atleast dryad get's to reunite with her god

[dusk laurel]

if flarenadoes dont die with the yharnam rework there will be 2977 dead

[wanton pendant]

Her goddess:

[split mortar]

Oh Nilla of lore channel what is your wisdom

[light linden]

I think they're cool as a concept

[raven brook]

shes more of a pea rn

[light linden]

their sprites look very outdated though

[dusk laurel]

they are literally just a duke fishron attack but orange and bigger

[raven brook]

they dont actually have sprites btw

[light linden]

do elementals even have bones?

[raven brook]

its just recolored duek fishron tornado layered over itself 500 times over

[wanton pendant]

She probably has blood, so maybe?

[raven brook]

its not even an actual unique sprite 😭

[light linden]

yes

[raven brook]

good question

[light linden]

they do their job fairly well too

[eternal veldt]

Terrarian made some impossibly godtier level stuff om sure murder hobo can figure it out. I needa find a way to get easier healing pots 🙏

[raven brook]

if they do i think they'd be magial bones not actually made of calcium or whatever

and made of idfk . mana

[light linden]

limiting player mobility unless they go up as well as sideways

[dusk laurel]

smth smth yharon has no good attacks

[light linden]

silva's were made of wood

[wanton pendant]

It all comes back to magic bones.

[eternal veldt]

Yharon is ahh. . . JUST LIKE ALL DRAGONS!!!

Dragons must die!!!

[spare pier]

It's fucked because I actually think Yharon's moveset at base has interesting aspects

[eternal veldt]

Im gonna flame them every chance i get

[spare pier]

Being both his immense speed and mass-scale attacks

[trim edge]

every auric dragon alive is identical to yharon smh

[spare pier]

Those are unique attributes of his attacks

[light linden]

the ground elemental likely has somewhat normal bones since calcium is a metal

[spare pier]

And I think the fight does a decent job at conveying those

[eternal veldt]

Is there even an alive dragon except for yharon? My goat fovos almost wiped them

[raven brook]

dragon yeah alot

[wanton pendant]

Yharon.

[trim edge]

i thought the joke was obvious

[raven brook]

auric its just yharon and nobody else

[eternal veldt]

Mb im sleepy

[wanton pendant]

Normal dragons.

[light linden]

This reminds me actually

I wonder if any dragons wielded any weapons

[spare pier]

Probably

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Nunchucks when?

[light linden]

I could see yharon having a glaive spear

[trim edge]

yharon should use yharim's crystal against us smh

[eternal veldt]

Offshoots doesn't count. 🙏 i hate them too no lie but. I meant auric ones

[wanton pendant]

Yharon.

[light linden]

this is a glaive spear btw

[eternal veldt]

Yeah yeah i know he was joking how yharon is the only auric dragon aalive and im too sleepy to get it 😭

[eternal veldt]

I got into an argument with someone because i called a naginata a spear. Please don't start with this 🙏

[light linden]

spear that can slash and stab

[noble falcon]

Foolish theory
Yharon would have his Yharon Gun

[light linden]

I-

wait a moment did vetrasyl have hands?

[eternal veldt]

Yharon has 20 accessory slots 🙏

[long bloom]

idk

doesn't look like he had thumbs

[wanton pendant]

Those are more front legs.

[eternal veldt]

Cool design. but filthy filthy dragons. Fishrons are better smh

[long bloom]

fishrons are dragons tupid

[eternal veldt]

I know. :3

[noble falcon]

Breaking News: Yharon caught reforging all accessories to menacing instead of warding like a dumbass

[light linden]

I wonder if fishron based dragons ever had uh

what's the best way to put this

brass knuckles but teeth

for fighting

[long bloom]

whar

[eternal veldt]

You sure it was menacing? Cuz bro has a hell of a lot of health and only deals 200 damage?

Wait it could be the new reforge that adds health

[noble falcon]

Yes, he is very weak otherwise, but he doesn’t want anyone knowing that

[light linden]

where it's a metal covering for their teeth

like those plastic vampire teeth

[eternal veldt]

Ohhh

Mouthguard

[eternal veldt]

Are are you talking about dentures?

[light linden]

no

[noble falcon]

Auric Dentures

[eternal veldt]

Fishrons got 5 accessory slots confirmed??

[light linden]

something they put over their teeth to both protect them and make their bites much more deadly

[eternal veldt]

Honestly i wonder where they even put the loot we get from them? Like did we just made them on the spot or something 😭

[eternal veldt]

Dentures. They just swap out the normal teeth for metal one 🙏

[noble falcon]

Yharim drops it from way up in the aerie
The final blow to each boss is actually the loot slamming into them at terminal velocity

[eternal veldt]

Can't he just do that at the start of the bossfight so i don't have to fight. 🙏

[noble falcon]

Well he’s not gonna give his primo stuff to some chump

[green prairie]

on the topic of the huge flowers that grow in Azafure now, are they edible?

[long bloom]

melongun speech bubble

[wanton pendant]

They'd probably give you brand new forms of cancer.

[green prairie]

black lung but with brimstone

[split mortar]

💔

[green prairie]

i have no idea who that is

[wanton pendant]

It's a mystery for the ages.

[noble falcon]

If I drink an invisibility potion before I enter the aerie can I sneak up to Yharim and kill him before he notices I’m there

[split mortar]

He has done a century of war he can probably tell when someone is invisible

[noble falcon]

Yeah ‘probably’ is the key word there

We don’t know until we try

“…when is this guy gonna show up? I saw everything get primed for a new arrival-OH GOOD HEAVENS!”

[wanton pendant]

He has a Dangersense Potion in his 'medication'.

[green prairie]

or he can see through his Exo Tech-modified helmet?

[hollow pivot]

Does the Exo Tech give him depth perception if he only has 1 place to see through?

[noble falcon]

I mean we can’t see invisible enemies with an auric Tesla helmet, I doubt Draedon put that tech into his set

[wanton pendant]

Why wouldn't he?

[brazen coral]

we should give yharim Kill Me Come Back Stronger pills

[fathom locust]

🧙‍♂️

[hollow pivot]

If you kill Yharim you can come back from the Aerie stronger 🧠

[noble falcon]

I hope we get to see Yharon’s room in the aerie
Bet he has a big ol’ doggy bed, or maybe a Clifford-sized dragon house

[west plume]

i like to think that he sleeps in a corner of yharon's nest and refuses to put human constructs like 'rectangular cotton beds' or 'memory foam mattresses' into the aerie

[hollow pivot]

He'll prolly be on his couch.

[noble falcon]

Just wait until Draedon releases his Noosphere-Foam Exo Mattress, containing data on all possible sleeping positions for maximum amimirs-per-hour

[west plume]

ah! so this is how draedon gets his employees to have 16 hour work days!

[noble falcon]

I figured Draedon probably used some kind of badnik workforce
But I suppose they need coziness just the same as us

[wanton pendant]

He did try to make badniks. Not quite as good as the real thing. He calls it the Plague.

[noble falcon]

“Ah, I see the problem here, I used too much Bad, not enough Nik…”
The wulfrum robots have the opposite problem

[wanton pendant]

They're not badniks, they don't have any animals inside them.

Thinking about it, Yharim would loathe Eggman.

[sinful adder]

"This guy's a stupid fraud who can't program his machines to be competent without giving them free will and thus compromising them. His designs consistently have obvious weaknesses despite their decent strength."

"His success, if you can call his achievements a success, lies solely in the resources at his disposal and not his technical skill. If I had access to these "chaos emeralds", I would have been able to achieve all of his goals and more with ease"

[leaden bridge]

Draedon can't be saying all that sorry

[sinful adder]

-Draedon on Ivo "eggman" Robotnik

[leaden bridge]

Eggman would cook draedon so bad

[sinful adder]

Eggman's machines are better than Draedon's only when they have the chaos emeralds, or if their name is metal sonic.

[leaden bridge]

Eggman has more aura

Substantially

[sinful adder]

Eggman constantly gets his ass beat by a stupid blue hedgehog man

[leaden bridge]

yeah because that's the plot draedon gets his creations owned by a weird little chud gremlin

like what are we saying

At least eggman has style and shit

[west plume]

yeah but he also successfully takes over the world

[sinful adder]

Ok but even then, draedon doesn't actually lose, he's smart enough to never put himself in danger and plan better

[leaden bridge]

Consistently

like it's actually uncanny how much eggman actually does get away with it all the time

[sinful adder]

Draedon could take over the world more reliably than eggman, he just doesn't want to

Doesn't he only do that fully like once?

[west plume]

draedon can't take over the continent bro 🥀

[agile matrix]

he could probably

[leaden bridge]

Idk how much he's done so in the main sonic canon

[agile matrix]

why would he though

what does that gain

wastes a bunch of time and material on a useless label

[sinful adder]

He could easily. Just build an army of astrum aureus and PBGs and he beats like 99% of everything on the planet

[leaden bridge]

Eggman also has a moustache and he just kinda wins there

[west plume]

aperture-like situation where he could industrialize the entirety of a given landmass and use it for infinite production and infinite organic testing

[west plume]

draedon can't control either of those 💔

[leaden bridge]

Well he can the formwr

[agile matrix]

alternative and yet similar: Spaaaacee

[leaden bridge]

But we don't know how powerful a non infected aureus is

[agile matrix]

he controls the latter actually

at any time he could kill allem

he just doesnt directly place control bc the plague is a gigantic experiment

[leaden bridge]

can draedon chain planets together

no because he doesn't have the bullshit aura level required

[noble falcon]

What would it take for Eggman and Draedon to team up and make Exo-Mecha Sonic

That right there would be the most frighteningly powerful robot in fiction

[leaden bridge]

Draedon would do it for the bit

(the science

he'd be like okay dude you can make ur robot i want to see and eggman would create pure infinite aura

[hollow pivot]

If only he had some robots stronger than that.

[west plume]

the exo mechs are a newly developed thing that are obscenely expensive and also imperfect

they also require an innately finite resource

[noble falcon]

What, exo prisms?

[west plume]

yes

[noble falcon]

An Exo-Sonic would be comparatively miniature though
He could probably afford to spare the parts

[hollow pivot]

Is there not like a country full of those?

[sinful adder]

Isn't he able to make exo prisms?

[west plume]

what do u do when exo sonic gets defeated by regular old metal sonic and then eggman gets access to miracle matter

[light linden]

uhhh

[noble falcon]

Normal ass metal Sonic is not beating the exo mech fight

Ok maybe but it’ll be close

[sinful adder]

Also, metal sonic is just ridiculously strong, way more than anything else eggman has made. It's kind of crazy

[noble falcon]

Actually now I really wanna see metal overlord throwing hands with ares

[sinful adder]

Yeah actually he could easily

[hollow pivot]

He's like at least universal+ and sometimes multiversal it's insane.

[noble falcon]

Yeah I’m thinking about it more and I know

[light linden]

@west plume
"You will find my modern Exo Prisms easy to work with when using my forge, and should have no issues using their power to vastly enhance your armaments. If you are concerned about my harvesting of Sea Prisms from Ilmeris, do remember that you found the largest ever cohesive gem unharmed in my laboratory. Artificially growing equivalent crystals allows me to manufacture pure, flawless Exo Prisms en masse, which provide much more stable power output. I have no need to strip mine the sea kingdom to meet my exponentially rising energy budget."

direct quote from the "What is Exotech" communication

[west plume]

the artificial sea prism notably isnt being mass produced

[sinful adder]

Even with how power scalers tend to overestimate things, metal sonic is still insanely strong

[light linden]

he says "en masse"

[west plume]

he means 'enough to be sustainable for my research and creations' and not 'enough to create enough ares to subjugate the earth'

[light linden]

also you just said that the crystals were finite

so uh

[sinful adder]

In that quote he says he can mass produce artificial sea prism equivalents now. He can reasonably scale up

[noble falcon]

Can we get an official death battle collab with Metal Sonic vs exo mechs just so we can have Moro animate the exo mechs

[sinful adder]

That would be sick

[hollow pivot]

Not even overestimation, it's just Sonic writing: “Hm let's just say the villain is going to completely destroy all universes across all timelines.”

[light linden]

idk what else to say

he can already mass produce sea prisms

[hollow pivot]

Yeah that pretty clearly says he can mass-produce artificial Sea Prisms that are practically identical to regular ones.

[west plume]

okay. if this is the intended reading, @spare pier why is draedon able to flawlessly recreate a god material

[light linden]

atp the main issue is likely the cosmilite he uses in making the exo mechs

[spare pier]

???

What?

[west plume]

^

[light linden]

iirc it has been stated that sea prisms are not straight up godly essence by either her or cei

1 moment lemme find the quote

[spare pier]

Sea Prisms are infact not straight up godly essence

[light linden]

.

.

[sinful adder]

sounds like you don't need godly essence to make infinite energy

[hollow pivot]

So it's not auric in the prisms it's just really strong electricity?

[sinful adder]

and instead there's just like. Really specific natural magic that makes it possible

[west plume]

is the godly essence important in their creation? or are the constituent parts that make a Sea Prism a Sea Prism naturally occurring and just catalyzed by the essence?

[spare pier]

Sea Prisms are part of what I call a self-sustaining spell, which should be self explanatory

[west plume]

thats not very self explanatory :(

[light linden]

also for the unaware

"Despite my issues with the Serpent, his assistance on the battlefield and with resource acquisition was welcome. One of the few unquestionable truths about him was the grandeur of his title. I still make use of smelted Cosmilite to this day in numerous applications, and I utilize the raw material as a metallurgical component of various alloys such as the Exo Mechanical Trio's plating."

[jaunty wraith]

If exo prisms are just powerful electricity, then shouldnt the miracle blight status effect count as an electric damage debuff?

[leaden bridge]

He sources it from repeatedly killing dog

[light linden]

direct quote from the devourer of gods communication topic

[hollow pivot]

I think Madeline means the self-sustaining spell meaning is self-explanatory.

[west plume]

draedon would repeatedly kill DoG

[leaden bridge]

I assume dog gave him an absurdly large pile of the thing assuming he'd need infinitely more than he actually did

[hollow pivot]

Dog so unlikeable even a moral-less AI hates him.

[leaden bridge]

So he has a surplus he's confident in using for exo crap

[hollow pivot]

Could we fabricate Synthetic Sea Prisms with Draedon's Forge or does he use smth else?

[spare pier]

Their endless charge is thanks to a self-sustaining spell that uses Otonilou's essence as a fuel source. Draedon isn't fabricating godly essence, but basically just making more things that are a part of said self-sustaining spell

[leaden bridge]

I assume he uses specialist equipment

My assumption was everything that is a seaprism gets the magic

So he just needed to make more

[spare pier]

That would be correct

[west plume]

can you do this with other essence materials? could you artificially create auric metal by imbuing something of similar composition with dragon mana?

[hollow pivot]

Is it that specific type of Sea Prism that can be enchanted or any 'ol material?

[west plume]

can you artificially clone things like demonite/crimtane/hallowed ore?

[light linden]

dragons have their own type of mana?

[leaden bridge]

I'd assume so

[leaden bridge]

Same with this

[hollow pivot]

Can you synthesize souls or are they too complex?

[leaden bridge]

Synthesizing certain things proves to be very hard, however

[hollow pivot]

Because apparently they're just mana.

[leaden bridge]

I assume no

[west plume]

not necessarily. its just mana that was produced by auric souls that dragons used i think which is the same as god essence metals

[hollow pivot]

Did the dragons have any fancy metals other than Auric?

[leaden bridge]

And like, to be fair, sea prisms already naturally just grow on navystone so like

[hollow pivot]

Maybe Sea Prisms are just crystalized water.

[leaden bridge]

I assume draedon just has applied energistics 2 crystal growth chambers

They probably have a lot more than just water in there

[leaden bridge]

all he needs is some navystone some water some more random minerals and they grow by themselves

[leaden bridge]

That's what i figure the aquarium behind the big crystal is for

It's just a big, early version of such chamber

[west plume]

why isnt everyone growin' physics violating crystals then

[leaden bridge]

everyone else is demonstrably stupid

As draedon explains they're also not very useful unless you process them in a very complex way

[hollow pivot]

Draedon patented it and sues everyone who uses those crystals into the ground apart from the Terrarian.

Is navystone a special magical rock or is it just a regular stone in the Heartlands like limestone and sandstone are in real life?

[leaden bridge]

I assume regular

I don't see why it would be particularly special

[hollow pivot]

It make cool crystal.