lore-discussion

[thick slate]

huge

[light linden]

kinda already here

[timber glacier]

Does Torch God have any lore in Calamity?

[long bloom]

it's not a god, just an entity

that's it, go wild

[feral skiff]

Xeroc is the First God, who is the Zeroth God?

[raven brook]

me

[long bloom]

cheese

[raven brook]

literally intentionally left as vague as possible it could be fuck all

it could be an actual god or some fucked up ghost or a carbon monoxide hallucination

personally i like to think its a carbon monoxide hallucination

it could be xeroc playing a prank on you god fucking knows

[west plume]

torch god is whoever you want he/she/they to be

[robust osprey]

I am torch god

[feral skiff]

what are heart crystals and mana crystals in calamity lore

[robust osprey]

yup. its all me.

[feral skiff]

do they work for other people or just the terrarian?

[west plume]

heart crystals and mana crystals

[robust osprey]

eatable rock.

[west plume]

like salt

[robust osprey]

or atleast I like to think my terrarian just eats em

[raven brook]

wonder if you could grind up life crystal and use it as seasoning for food. like salt.

[robust osprey]

"how did you get so powerful?"

"I ate rocks"

[west plume]

people for real be asking if you can extend your life bar wuxia style

You can never defeat me... I ate rocks and now I have 4x the amount of HP as a normal human

[robust osprey]

well I ate rocks with fruit and I have 5x the amount of HP as a normal human

[west plume]

i think the case with mana crystals and other max mana stat increases is that you are a vessel and can be a bigger vessel through certain methods or by storing mana in objects or extensions of your body

[long bloom]

i ate rocks with extra fruit and have 6x the hp of a normal human

[agile matrix]

i cant die as of tommorrow, nor can anyone else

[noble falcon]

Don’t forget, I also ate the rock I dunked in a pool of la goopla I found in a cave and now I have more health faster

[west plume]

At risk of being assassinated? Worry not. Simply eat these rocks and this ironskin potion and the bullet will only do like 20 damage

[glacial rampart]

vessel... like jutjust kaiser,,,

[robust osprey]

do not forget the ironskin is made out of. metal

[sharp pulsar]

What is yharim goal?? Like what is he looking for?

[robust osprey]

kill god(s)

[west plume]

fulfillment

[sharp pulsar]

So he wants to kill xeroc and noxus??

[robust osprey]

noxus is no god

[west plume]

just xeroc

[sharp pulsar]

Ooooo

[robust osprey]

just some. creature.

[west plume]

i dont think he cares or knows much about noxus

[glacial rampart]

i dont think yharim knows noxus exists

[robust osprey]

probably not

[eager bluff]

yharim knows something exists in the distortion that controls dog

[west plume]

even if he did theres no real issue with it aside from being lied to about DoG

[sharp pulsar]

Is the terrarian in calamity lore? Or is just the calamity characters only?

[raven brook]

yharim wants to kill every single god

[eager bluff]

nobody except like braelor xeroc and the distortion fuckos actually know about noxus as noxus

[west plume]

noxus could descend down to the planet and eat all the essence he wanted as long as he didn't kill people and leave and yharim would be fine with it

[eager bluff]

the terrarian is you

[feral skiff]

the TERRARIAN is YOU!

[raven brook]

Yes

[feral skiff]

the TERRARIAN can be whoever YOU want them to be!

[raven brook]

Would be a little silly if they weren't given yharim direclty talks to you in the lore whispers and you're the person who does everything ingame :p

terraria elements are still canon

the only things that aren't are donor content and crossover content

[eager bluff]

and holiday moons because fuck you

[robust osprey]

my boy deerclops is non canon

😔

[raven brook]

girl

fake fan

[west plume]

the Terrarian is just a person of interest being observed by a dying old man. everything about their backstory, current events and future is up to you

[robust osprey]

fuck.

[sharp pulsar]

Who is that dying old man?

[raven brook]

yharim

[robust osprey]

they decanonized my lesbian cylcops deer.

[sharp pulsar]

Oooo

[raven brook]

sorry maxie deerclops isnt lesbian its the most violent raging homophobic i know

youd know if you play dont starve that things fucking evil

[hollow pivot]

So what you're saying is...

[robust osprey]

YOU CANT JUST CRUSH MY DREAMS LIKE THAT

[agile matrix]

actually. their future requires them to craft miracle matter

[raven brook]

this is what you get for being a fake fan

[west plume]

yes

[raven brook]

deerclops on its way to destroy my entire base for literally no reason

[agile matrix]

actually what are the required actions that the terrarian must do

[hollow pivot]

Exist

[agile matrix]

they 100% kill scal and exos

[raven brook]

i mean theoretically you could just build a house and live there and never kill any bosses

[robust osprey]

kill moonlodr

[hollow pivot]

100% kills Yharon too

[robust osprey]

that is true

[agile matrix]

i moreso mean "when yharim dies by the terrarians hands"

[west plume]

none; you don't actually have to progress in calamity. you are simply an object of interest for someone with nothing better to do

[robust osprey]

but like. I guess assuming you do complete the game

[west plume]

ah

[agile matrix]

bc theres no code for waiting <10 years and yharim just fucking keels over

[raven brook]

well basically every boss taht is progression mandatory without things like glitches and gameplay loopholes

[hollow pivot]

So this but Yharim and the Terrarian?

[raven brook]

so like wall of flesh, uh

[agile matrix]

scal and exos 100% are defeated, you cant get the Big Guy to show up

[west plume]

Yes

[raven brook]

moon lord, idrm the rest lol

[sharp pulsar]

Could draedon be a potential final boss? Or since he has so many copies of himself he is impossible to kill?

[raven brook]

No the final boss is Yharim

[agile matrix]

draedon himself has no reason to actually be a threat

[west plume]

he is quite literally trying to convince you to do more at the start of the game

[robust osprey]

wofless being possible in canon would be so funny

[raven brook]

Yharim at first is just kinda looking at you cuz he's bored

[agile matrix]

the only reason exos are here is because he's throwing the biggest rock he's ever made at today's biggest rock

[raven brook]

But as you become stronger and do More he starts to go

[hollow pivot]

Technically it's possible to kill Draedon but it's so difficult you'd pretty much have to destroy the planet to be sure (Assuming he doesn't do space travel)

[raven brook]

"Wait oh shit this guy is actually strong. Maybe i could get him on my side."

[sharp pulsar]

So draedon is a freaky engineer making toys for destruction?

[agile matrix]

isnt it at the like

lunatic cultist?

[raven brook]

Have you read either of the lore documents

[hollow pivot]

No Draedon just wants science.

[west plume]

i dont know if he would consider them toys or explicitly for destruction

[sharp pulsar]

Idk where they are

[agile matrix]

all before he's like "wow cool nicely done" but at lunatic he directly says "hey man. these guys are fuckin traitors."

[raven brook]

pinned messages

[sharp pulsar]

Ty

[raven brook]

np

[robust osprey]

terrarian, join my amazing crusade of joy and wonder
no yharim
I will die tomorrow
no yharim

[agile matrix]

draedons absolute goal is knowledge

once he knows absolutely everything that there is to know, i think he'll just die happy

""happy""

[raven brook]

I feel like it wouldnt be incorrect to call Draedon an artist, or even say he might view himself as one to some extent

There is definitely a aesthetic element to the exo mechs

[west plume]

draedon i think kind of views himself as an architect and the engineering is means to an end

[robust osprey]

I'd say creating robots could be kinda considered a form of art???

kinda???

[raven brook]

if he was going 100% for efficiency only he wouldn't need to make some of the design choices on em

[agile matrix]

the exos are a personal test, while the mechs are just machines for war

[raven brook]

ares didnt need big scary reds kull

[sharp pulsar]

It would be interesting to know what was draedon first machine ever created 🤔?

[agile matrix]

you can see that kinda in how they work: the mechs are very combat oriented but the exos work on subroutines

[raven brook]

Probably some shitty device we never see ingame

[west plume]

ares is a design project and the regular mechs are war instruments yes

[west plume]

better cpu

[agile matrix]

like the mechs dont really ever do anything. cool. they just do their shit and leave

[raven brook]

The most primitive Draedon mechs we do see ingame i think are the Burrowers

[robust osprey]

draedon's first mech was chatgpt

trust

[agile matrix]

nah i think its the androomba/repair unit

[sharp pulsar]

Imagine an exo brain 😳

[west plume]

burrowers are purely utilitarian and just exist to collect resources

[agile matrix]

the burrowers have scanners and shit + self preservation, the repair units will just fuckin die

[hollow pivot]

Does Draedon need a calculator 🤔

[raven brook]

I mean i dont think thats necessarily a signifier of complexity

[west plume]

i wouldnt want my expensive worker bots dying either

[agile matrix]

what do you deem "complex" on the scale

[raven brook]

burrowers would have to go out on hostile enviroments to collect minerals and also are clearly alot larger and more resource-coty than repair units

[west plume]

tbf

[raven brook]

while repair units are just

alot smaller and also would exist within enviroments theyd not really have much of a risk of breaking in

[sharp pulsar]

What about the wulfrum robots

[raven brook]

since it'd be laboratories rather than THe Wilds

[hollow pivot]

I think the only guaranteed thing he first made were cameras he used to scout with, so find whatever the simplest component of a camera is.

[agile matrix]

wulfrum is not draedon

[west plume]

burrowers also cant always be recovered safely so they need to be designed to get themselves to an area where they can be repaired

[agile matrix]

they're machinations meant to counter that

(ineffectively.)

[raven brook]

not related to Draedon in any way, created by anti-yharim rebels

[hollow pivot]

It is interesting how often people think Wulfrum is Draedon.

[sharp pulsar]

Ooohh

[raven brook]

machines lead to people assuming theyre related to the machine guy

this is in part bc almost every robot in calamity is related to him in some way i think

wulfrums are the only real exception

[agile matrix]

i mean to be frank, theres not very many other Machine Guys

[west plume]

draedon kinda is Tech guy in current mod and i wish to make it evident that he is a third party who happens to be a singularity rather than Tech guy eventually

[feral skiff]

this is like throwing a rock at an M1 Abrams btw

[eager bluff]

yeah outside of wulfrum every robot is draedon

[light linden]

cyborg

[west plume]

we need more engineers and less magicians and sorcerers sorta

[feral skiff]

i don’t think those wulfrum drones did anything at all

[agile matrix]

to be honest, i like the mechs being draedon stuff but i dont think they need to. be his?

hot take

[eager bluff]

more accurately its like throwing a whole hell of a lot of rocks at an m1 abrams

[hollow pivot]

Read the bestiary entries.

[west plume]

we had this discussion in dev

[raven brook]

i was talking abt calamity stuff specifically but yeah

[sharp pulsar]

In calamity lore, the mechanical bosses were created by draedon, but in terraria vanilla they were created by the mechanical girl, right?

[raven brook]

yeah

[agile matrix]

i feel that draedon wouldntve made war machines without a Gain for him

[sharp pulsar]

They sound so powerful in there 😭

[light linden]

against her will mind you

[raven brook]

I mean

it was kind of his job

[agile matrix]

but to what end does that satisfy

yknow ?

[raven brook]

the fact he needs to follow his job

its an agreement

[west plume]

getting free non-criminal access to souls to bind to machines

[agile matrix]

i mean i suppose.

[raven brook]

he does what he's asked to do, he gets paid in resources, test subjects and freedom to do his research

the agreement with yharim would not really work at all if he just

refused

to do what yharim asked him to do

[eager bluff]

he does his job because he gets good research opportunities and doesnt make an enemy of the biggest vengeance man in the world and also gets resources

[agile matrix]

my issue is that i feel draedon could (and does!) very easily do stuff that yharim does not appreciate

[raven brook]

the exo mechs are a personal project he is doing purely for himself ut while in the yharmy not everything would be that nad alot more would just be

things hes gotta do cuz yharim told him to

[agile matrix]

see: Plagh

[raven brook]

Well yeah

And he got kicked out for that

[agile matrix]

like i (personally.) dont see the draw for Draedon to make machines designed for war, outside of exactly three machines and one weapon

[raven brook]

He also wasn't even expecting Yharim to be against it so it wasn't necessarily an act of intentional rebellion

[sharp pulsar]

This reminds me of the plague enemies, they are draedon inventions too?

[agile matrix]

well yea i dont think draedon would want war

[agile matrix]

mhm

nanovirus

[raven brook]

I don't think Draedon cares aobut war

[agile matrix]

yeah

[raven brook]

He is not anti war nor is he in support if it

[eager bluff]

like yes yharim wouldnt be able to actually kill draedon but it would be quite annoying to constantly have to rebuild servers because yharim is hunting them

[agile matrix]

if war must happen, then war shall. war mustnt happen without reason

[eager bluff]

draedon currently just wants to make the ultimate fighting machines

[agile matrix]

we have an entire ultrakill song abt this

[raven brook]

If he did not expect to make war machines

[west plume]

the non criminal part is important because if he just made a whole village in yharim's empire into robots one day then he would prob have had to move continents

[raven brook]

he would not have joined yharim in the first place

[eager bluff]

he doesnt want to cure cancer. he wants to build giant ass robots

[raven brook]

And he's , obviously not dumb, so

he knows what he's signing p for

[agile matrix]

he probably could cure mammalian cancer

[raven brook]

i mean beyond the mechs he made the arsenal gear, too

[eager bluff]

yes but he doesnt want to do that

[agile matrix]

he's a tad busy fixing celestial cancer

well "fixing" he is Trying

[west plume]

idt i would say draedon doesnt want to cure mammal cancer and more that examples are kind of hard to come by without a bunch of time and murder

[agile matrix]

those were moreso weaponry than Learning Experience, at least in my eyes?

[eager bluff]

sidenote this comic panel is super funny because its missing out on the panel directly after it which makes it even fucking funnier

[west plume]

and he already cut his connection with the empire, so he cant do a clinical trial with willing participants

[agile matrix]

like the alliance with Yharim, very good thing to have in the scheme of things

[raven brook]

Yes and that's, also what mechs are

[agile matrix]

the issue is that Why Would He Do That Really

[raven brook]

They were not something Draedon went out of his way to make for personal reasons

They were a thing he made because he was asked to as part of his job

[agile matrix]

why was he Employed though.

[raven brook]

He evne comments on how working with souls was a hassle

[eager bluff]

because . its a very good thing to have in the grand scheme of things. you just said that.

[agile matrix]

thats the part idont get

[raven brook]

We've, already told you

[west plume]

free souls

research

[raven brook]

He gets Resources, Test Subjects, Freedom to do Shit under the support of one of the world's strongest political powers

[west plume]

he can do things in empire borders without being hunted down

[agile matrix]

yea i was abt to say that last part. that makes sense

[west plume]

he gets loads of willing users of his technology

a lot of subjects to Augment

[raven brook]

He'd get alot of coworkers too

[eager bluff]

draedon is not an idiot he knows when theres a good deal and working for yharim was a good deal for him

[west plume]

a lot of empire engineers yes

[raven brook]

Which he has admitted himself are genuinely helpful

[agile matrix]

well i never said he was an idiot

i was moreso saying what the draw was, but yeah being able to walk around without someone screeching "GET THAT FUCKER HE MADE A MACHINE THAT KILLED MY HUSBAND"

pretty good

[west plume]

draedon isnt omniscient or all powerful and the employment was just straight up profitable for his goals

[agile matrix]

if he was omniscient wouldnt he just die.

[eager bluff]

no

[raven brook]

if draedon existed in real life he'd work for the usa government basically

[eager bluff]

thats not what omniscience is

[agile matrix]

i dont actually remember what draedon plans to do once he knows everything

[west plume]

alternatively people start scrapping everything mechanical as soon as they see them for personal benefit and then he loses his edge or gets projects ruined constantly

[agile matrix]

i remember he mentions it in his "What I'm Gonna Do" Draetalk

[west plume]

find another pursuit

he cant know everything tho

[agile matrix]

if he was omniscient then he would

[eager bluff]

as i said before
draedon is like if bigfoot is the ceo of lockheed martin now

[raven brook]

I feel like in the hypothetical scenario draedon discovers everything he could possibly discover he'd just kind of shut down

[west plume]

yeah

[raven brook]

I talked abt it with tofu in dms its kinda somber to think about

draedon outliving like everyone in the cast

[agile matrix]

yeah thats what my general idea is

[raven brook]

discovering everything there is to discover

and just kinda shuts down

[sharp pulsar]

Yharim has a brother?!?!

[raven brook]

no

[agile matrix]

he does? what

[west plume]

yeah hes a clerk at azafure walmart

[agile matrix]

that was what i was under the impression of. make sure everything functions w/o him, and then calmly shut down

[raven brook]

Yharim's the only member of his family we known unless you wanna count Yharon as found family or something. his dragon boyfriend or brother or whatever

[agile matrix]

dragon idunfuckinknow

[rain osprey]

"but i don't want to cure cancer. i want to turn people into war machines"

[eager bluff]

at the end of everything, draedon remains. he will continue to remain. his research must continue. and his research shall continue until there is nothing left to research.
only then can draedon die.

[agile matrix]

draedon being able to look at a part of his ""portfolio"" and go "... I believe that is everything there is to know about that topic." and then just never updating it again

[rain osprey]

draedon would force commit to main branch

[agile matrix]

like would he be at least partially shocked by that. the fact that nothing else is knowable abt a massive general topic

[rain osprey]

i just feel it

[eager bluff]

i love this panel so much

[agile matrix]

why did that guy want to turn people into dinosaurs and not cure cancer

like what was his draw there

[eager bluff]

ok so

[rain osprey]

i don't understand what this question is asking

why would you not want to turn people into dinosaurs

[agile matrix]

bc curing cancer makes me a lot of money and then i can give the money OR turn people into dinosaurs

[raven brook]

draedon would add a new post-moonlord duke fishron variant to the sulphur sea as a new boss

[agile matrix]

i am a very giving person if i can be

[agile matrix]

hmm.

[eager bluff]

that guys name is sauron, yes he is named after the tolkien guy, yes this is canon
he was working with another guy that turned himself into basically lizard from the spider man movies and he was REALLY racist but in the sense of like "everybody must become dinosaurs because dinosaurs are just better than people"
sauron never actually made the machine that turns people into dinosaurs that was the other guy
the panel DIRECTLY AFTER THIS is the other guy saying, i believe, "We want to turn people into dinosaurs."

basically he was just working with a dinosaur racist

[agile matrix]

...

[eager bluff]

and taking all the credit

[agile matrix]

is this.

yharim?

[eager bluff]

no

[agile matrix]

not the sauron guy. that guys draedon. i guess

[eager bluff]

i think the other guys name was dr stegon

[agile matrix]

is the other guy yharim???

[eager bluff]

no sauron is not draedon

sauron is dumb as shit

[agile matrix]

he wants to turn people into dinosaurs instead of curing cancer

[eager bluff]

he just really likes hearing himself talk and likes to take credit

[agile matrix]

insert boondocks clip that if i even started to say i would be banned forever but its the martin luther king one

[eager bluff]

yeah but thats not his actual overarching goal

like thats not what he cares about

[agile matrix]

idk man he made the exo mechs

those are pretty Dinosaurlike

[eager bluff]

sauron is an energy vampire normally he looks like a regular guy but when he consumes the energy of a mutant (x-men mutants) he turns into that thing and genuinely he just becomes evil

most of the time he just cares about getting energy

or just being evil

[odd magnet]

guys is yharon still considered the jungle dragon or has that title changed??

[feral skiff]

he’s not a jungle-specific thing anymore

an accurate title would be “the Auric dragon” instead of “the Jungle dragon”

[eager bluff]

title has changed

[odd magnet]

what is it now??

[agile matrix]

Dragon of Rebirth or Resplendent Phoenix

depending on how auraful they are

most just call him Dragon of Rebirth, their proper title

[noble falcon]

Yharon, The Dragon Who Is A Big Fan Of The Jungle But Has No Specific Association With It

[warm gull]

are you guys gonna buy the yharim-branded lemon fanta

[split mortar]

True! Once i finish backreading ima go do that

[trim edge]

what is yharim's definition of unscathed

[dusk laurel]

gulp

i have no idea,,,

[split mortar]

Yharim prob only knows statis escaped by word of mouth and so prob got some wrong details

[dusk laurel]

yeah thats really the only explanation

by the time statis got out yharim was either getting upgrades from draedon or alr at the aerie im assuming

[wanton pendant]

Does one need two arms and legs? Blatant greed.

[trim edge]

would be funny if some of the lore items were wrong because we mishear yharim shouting from the aerie

[pulsar ocean]

i mean did statis really lose anything if he gained sick shadow limbs

[late veldt]

(barging in late with starbucks) Ok so what's up with that distortion shrine

[dusk laurel]

its a sky structure melon gun just didnt processed that info afterwards because it was like almost 3 am for them

or similar to the sky structure in the newsletter

[split mortar]

Bit before but yeah

[late veldt]

Yeah I saw that much

But also

What da hell is that about

[limpid saddle]

well he GAINED phantom pain

[noble falcon]

“Look Signus, I just don’t like this game quite as much as you I’m afraid.”

[thick slate]

mrow emeo memwo emeow emeow

[real silo]

Pretty sure it's just that build in the dark + spooky lighting + rain world music

[thick slate]

are you sure

[agile matrix]

did not occur to me that Deicide is Dei (god) + cide (murder)

i say this here bc God Murder is like a major lore part

[crude light]

who is xeroc

[split mortar]

God of the literal Sun

[wanton pendant]

Why is Xeroc?

[crude light]

ohhh

ok who is his wife

[wanton pendant]

There is no wife, not since the incident.

[young socket]

The Horse.

[split mortar]

They divorced Silva so no wife

[crude light]

oh the divorce is canon ok

😭

[split mortar]

Yes

[long bloom]

mhm

[dusk laurel]

okay uhm

gulp

[warm gull]

nillgrid

[humble citrus]

My sister asked who is draedon and why does he do this (plague bringer goliath, "why does he modernize everything, etc)

[raven brook]

Draedon is an AI programmed to research and develop new scientific discoveries and technologies

[limpid saddle]

Draedon's sole motivation is to fufill his own desire for knowledge, he studies everything, & aligned himself with the Yharmy to learn more everything through the groups vast resources gained through their conquests

[raven brook]

He made the plague as a form of militaristic virus that could be a very efficient weapon in the right context

Aswell as a personal challenge of his to find a way to subdue a living being to work as a machine basically

[limpid saddle]

He made the Plaguebringer Goliath (of his own volition) in an attempt to merge organic & synthetic life to create the ultimate living thing

[raven brook]

He has no moral compass which means that he will do anythjng as long as it fits his directory to research

[limpid saddle]

it did not really work, & Yharim broke it out of it's test tube early in a hissy fit so it runs around trying to convert all organic life into more of the Plague nanovirus

[raven brook]

He's not one to do mindless evil for the sake of it but he can do reprehensible actions if they benefit his goals

[limpid saddle]

also important thing to note he doesn't modernize 'everything', he doesn't particularly keep a tight hand over his creations but he makes absolutely zero effort to distribute them to the wider world & develop 'society'

[mighty zenith]

they left the server

[split mortar]

😭

[wanton pendant]

Unsuprising.

[random mulch]

got lore'd too hard

[split mortar]

Autism activated

[long bloom]

@oblique grove read from here

[brazen coral]

Draedon is a machine programmed to make me love him

(I love him)

[wanton pendant]

Ah, a green name talking about loving robots, clearly it's...
LIHZAHRD!?

[split mortar]

Is there not allowed to be multiple people who love draedon on the moderator team

[wanton pendant]

I thought there was like, a quota system, where each member has to be part of a different faction to prevent any one from getting too powerful.

[brazen coral]

if someone claims to have a more parasocial relationship with draedon I will duel them until the winner is decided

[wanton pendant]

These Highlander spinoffs are getting weird.

[rain osprey]

i don't claim it but do you still wanna duel

[brazen coral]

sure

[rain osprey]

cool we meet outside the saloon at noon

[brazen coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/412104907550621708/1430713935186628648/6ooDk1f.gif

[young socket]

@mighty zenith

[mighty zenith]

fight me

i am objectively more parasocial with draedon

i made an OC whose purpose and character arc involves being parasocial about draedon

[brazen coral]

Yeah well I’m gonna make an OC who’s an antagonist to yours and will interfere with their goals to drive character devlopment

[mighty zenith]

yeah well i'm gonna draw them kissing

[light linden]

err

is this a bad time?

[wanton pendant]

Eh, probably fine.

[spare pier]

Oh my God people are being parasocial over my characters I just realized

[young socket]

they also larp as them

[glacial rampart]

THATS JUST CALLED ROLEPLAY

I HATE THE WAY PEOPLE USE THE TERM LARP NOW

[light linden]

hi madeline

[spare pier]

Hi Thunder

[hollow pivot]

I'm pretty sure LARP is restricted to real-life only whilst roleplay is more broad.

[glacial rampart]

Yes I know the actual meaning of the term

[noble falcon]

Which calamity lore figures would be a fan of Hatsune Miku
Besides Draedon, he’s basically a given

He probably knows her personally

[long bloom]

statis

[analog tundra]

Perhaps I haven’t read enough in the mod’s official lore page, but, how come yharon’s soul fragments be used as a way to make Auric bar?

[brazen coral]

Auric is a metal infused with the power of dragons

[long bloom]

1. there isn't an official lore page
2. you infuse auric with the soul fragments to trick it into thinking it's attuned

which disables the auric rejection

this is only revealed in the depths of the amidias help dialogue

[split mortar]

There is a lore page on the wiki

[long bloom]

it's just a list of the lore items

wet fart of a page

[split mortar]

Still the lore page

[pulsar ocean]

Let’s live action roleplay

[light linden]

basically

auric normally both shocks and sends whatever touches it flying

you experience this in game as the shocking and knockback whenever auric is touched

there are two ways to prevent this from happening

either by being attuned to an auric dragon which stops you from being shocked and repulsed but will still make others experience the effect

this is a key factor in yharim's armor and blade

[analog tundra]

I’ve witnessed it, yes, me and my friends found it “fun”

[light linden]

or by using the fragments of an auric dragon's soul to basically calm down the auric allowing anyone to touch it without any of the side effects

we use this method

but as a side effect it leads to our auric weaponry and armor being less effective than what the first method would bring

yharim uses the first method

this make sense?

[analog tundra]

Totally makes sense, thank you, I was also looking for a reason as to why the ore gets “neutralized”.

[light linden]

also I have a recommendation

if you want your game to buzz like it's a bee, make a box of auric ore just big enough for you to fit inside and teleport in

if you aren't wearing anything to stop the rejection it sounds like a very angry bee

[split mortar]

I have accidentally teleported inside auric ore while fucking around with heros mod yeah it does that

[agile matrix]

what does parasocial mean

[agile matrix]

i would be draedons dumbest autist does that count

like he could not make a creature as dumbly intelligent as me and i bet one penny on it

[split mortar]

Does this mean im parasocial to siffrin the fictional character

[split mortar]

You give this picture vibes

[agile matrix]

precisely.

you get it

[analog tundra]

I’ve also got to ask, I’m guessing clone calamitas had to do something with Draedon’s machines, no?

[light linden]

yes

[pulsar ocean]

she’s his kid

And draedon is a deadbeat father

[light linden]

her current design isn't quite canon

she was an experiment to see if calamitas's powers were genetic

[analog tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/lex-luthor-dc-comics-its-over-womp-womp-gif-13929331042638963027

[pulsar ocean]

Draedon made her and then left her to rot

[light linden]

they aren't genetic but calamitas did break her clone out

[analog tundra]

Seeing from previous re-sprites, I could guess infernum’s iteration is more canon-like?

[light linden]

a bit more yeah

neither are quite canon but she'll still have some technological element eventually

also we might have her as an npc in the future

[pulsar ocean]

is the pig gonna be an npc seeing how we have npc portraits for it

[light linden]

iirc they're gonna be a pet

[true sinew]

the pig is the secret final boss

the pig is all mighty

The pig knows all, sees all, the pig is the lord of the gods.

[dusk laurel]

townpet

there is also the salesman

[pulsar ocean]

Who

[dusk laurel]

you will find out soon enoigh

[timber glacier]

Is there a lore reason why Daedalus armour is named that? Like is it named after a character or something (idk if this really counts as lore discussion but whatever)

[dusk laurel]

its because of the older lore from years ago of a character named daedalus

he doesnt exist anymore but in the old lore he was just another scientist in the snow biome

[plucky juniper]

incidentally daedalus as a name has been hypothesized by lore discussers in this channel to be the name of the man that draedon found dead in the lab he was created in

given that its commonly assumed that said man might have done a mind transfer thing to create draedon, the name daedalus would be somewhat fitting

[long bloom]

the tundra was only created as a result of his death

[dusk laurel]

amazing

😢

rest is piece...

[cosmic zenith]

[long bloom]

his giant computer exploded and froze everything (???)

[robust osprey]

super ice beam puter

[analog tundra]

Also, what on earth is up with the polterghast and the ravager? Are they amalgamations of humans?

[long bloom]

polterghast is the souls of hundreds of dead dungeon inhabitants

ravager is the resurrected husk of agnus immolatus, the god of sacrifices

now the god of blood somehow

necromancy in calamity sucks complete ass so he's a mindless zombie

[dusk laurel]

yharim also blended it

[long bloom]

true

but it's built different so it's fine

[analog tundra]

Oh right, isn’t calamitas a necromancer?

[light linden]

sort of

we know she does necromancy

we know she does pyromancy

and we know her specific type of pyromancy has ties to necromancy

but not how closely related they are

[plucky juniper]

"hypothesized"

[long bloom]

[plucky juniper]

[primal sierra]

Question
Do any other dragons have official designs or just Yharon?

[long bloom]

vetrasyl has this

and that's it

[primal sierra]

Ah mki

[half sonnet]

How do you feel about the lore retcon?

for Yharim?

[leaden bridge]

There's been five billion of those and the last was 3 years ago you're going to have to be more specific

[half sonnet]

oh wow

my knowledge is very shallow

I watched a lot of Photon's videos on the lore and then watched some more recent ones about Yharim

[leaden bridge]

Psure photon's videos r all outdated

[half sonnet]

I'm talking about the ones that make him more easy to feel sympathy for

that's what i though

t*

[leaden bridge]

There's two pinned documents here that might get you up to speed

[half sonnet]

Okay, thanks!

[half sonnet]

What's the lore behind resummoning bosses after you slay them?

with Yharon it sorta makes sense because he's the dragon of rebirth, but what about the others??

[agile matrix]

there isnt any

[eager bluff]

unless its specifically acknowledged as a rematch or its like specifically dragonfolly they dont happen

[agile matrix]

Gameplay Narrative

[half sonnet]

Okay.

[versed owl]

Yharim depressed, do he drink Jäegerbomb?

[spare pier]

It is rather impressive how words and portrayal can entirely change how a character is perceived.

Yharim was no different in old lore than Conquest from Invincible, frankly.

Completely irredeemable and psychotic monsters with no reason to commit the atrocities they did, but they had a sad speech one time so people sympathize with them.

The difference is that Conquest is a good character.

[agile matrix]

this is Evil wdym

Yharim is a good character. not Incredible or {TITLE CAAAARDDDD} but they are a good one

[spare pier]

Faust is talking about old lore Yharim.

[agile matrix]

oooooooh. i see

old lord yharim had a sappy speech?

[leaden bridge]

not rlly no

didn't have anything

[trim edge]

kindquest

[mighty zenith]

i think yharon fits this better

people sympathize with him despite being entirely complicit in all yharim's atrocities

because roar of the jungle dragon makes you feel bad for him

[worthy sierra]

Does a dragon lose more of its soul every time it dies or is yharon soul fragments just a gameplay mechanic

[mighty zenith]

its basically breadcrumbs of yharon's soul so its possible

it would probably take a LOT of deaths to completely get rid of his soul

[worthy sierra]

Also unless I read the lore document wrong, is it just yharon whos soul teleports to the aerie or do all dragon souls go to the aerie if you kill them

[mighty zenith]

yharon had to revive them himself so most likely not

[worthy sierra]

Because from what John Bestiary said it is implied providence absorbed the fire dragon's soul where he was killed

[mighty zenith]

yeah

its not very clear how yharon's reviving worked on other dragons but they likely werent teleported to the aerie, he just does it automatically because that's where his egg is

[worthy sierra]

Auric dragons make draconic offshoots if they do the sex right

I read that whatever dragon otonilou used was the progenitor of wyverns

[mighty zenith]

yep

auric dragons were limited due to the world soul not having any more domains to give

which is why old duke isnt an auric dragon despite being so old

its just a dragon

the later offshoots are basically the dragon DNA becoming less and less present in the family trees

[worthy sierra]

Ah

I find it really interesting how Yharim was basically propaganda'd into by a dragon into fighting a war because said dragon was sad all his brothers and sisters are DEAD

I wouldn't be surprised if Yharon sprinkled a bit of misinformation to Yharim

[mighty zenith]

he most likely did about xeroc

though yharim was also heavily influenced by the fact the gods of dogma and war were huge assholes

that first tried to indoctrinate him into their cult and then later kill

[scenic olive]

is Yharim bulletproof without the armor

[split mortar]

Most likely

[worthy sierra]

How many magacocks does yharon, yharim, and draedon need to leave woketardism

[split mortar]

What

[scenic olive]

What

[scenic olive]

are we talking any bullets here or say endgame weapons surely would do something right

[worthy sierra]

I saw a tiktok about how many magacocks for characters in media to leave woketardism

It isn't being bigoted shit it's making fun of the she's one magacock tweet

[scenic olive]

wait if Draedon described cosmilite to be like malleable or something

nvm, how tf does it spawn more bullets

[split mortar]

Literally said how in the bullets description its the bullet going into the distortion and re entering normal existence iirc

[worthy sierra]

Does calamitas' brothers retain any sentience/sapience

[scenic olive]

am i misremembering things or does it spawn more than 1 behind u

[split mortar]

They retain the fact they want to protect their little sister and thats it iirc
Best feat of necromancy we know of and its keeping 1 trace of the person

[split mortar]

Idfk every gun that tier has a bajillion bullets per second

[worthy sierra]

I mean it's better than what they did to agnus immolatus

[split mortar]

Yeah

[worthy sierra]

Is Yharim canonically a virgin

Okay no more stupid questions

[split mortar]

I doubt he gave a shit about that sort of thing and just focused on racism and the crusade

[worthy sierra]

Real

[scenic olive]

yharacism

[worthy sierra]

What would the consequences if Yharim went through with becoming a god and did the ritual on Yharon

He wouldn't be a god of rebirth though considering no terminus

What would he be the god of

[split mortar]

He would likely become the god of eternity imo

[split mortar]

And with dogma having their puppet godking in play the world would probably be more fucked then if godseeker yharim was about

[limpid saddle]

Also means the God Of War would still be kicking around if Dogma didnt have him executed after finishing the God-maker scheme

[split mortar]

No reason to have war executed unless war betrays them

[limpid saddle]

That or the new 'crusades' is a divine civil war between Dogma & War with all who dont pick a side being obliterated

[limpid saddle]

you really think Dogma would trust him? With what we know of his character?

[split mortar]

Dogma would just have eternity obliterate war i think

What do we know about wars character

[worthy sierra]

Now that I think about it

Considering Xeroc is completely absent in the lore

[limpid saddle]

If i'm not misremembering he was attributed as a blood-thirsty lunatic who keeps slaves for his own enjoyment

[split mortar]

He is not

[worthy sierra]

If yharim absorbed yharons soul he would be next to nobody

[worthy sierra]

I mean he got the fuck out of terraria?

[limpid saddle]

no hes still around

hes just not been paying attention

too busy looking out for fovos 2

[split mortar]

Xeroc talks to you in boss rush and is theorised to have beat up yharim not that long ago

[worthy sierra]

Ah

I wish we would have the ability to become a god ngl

[worthy sierra]

But the ritual is lost to time

[limpid saddle]

no that'd be shit & lame

[mighty zenith]

i mean theres no real good way of having the terrarian ascend

[worthy sierra]

Yeah nobody knows the ritual

[split mortar]

Yharon having to suffer the future after burning literally every bridge possible and having to find new purpose in the future is cooler imo

[limpid saddle]

You cant make anything cool out of it because it would destroy balancing & it would create more gaping wounds in the characterization & motivation of the terrarian which is already a black hole of YOU

[mighty zenith]

it'd either be waay too complicated to program or extremely disappointing and simple (like what hunt of the old god does)

[worthy sierra]

+5 max hp lmao

[split mortar]

Not if we use terminus that would give us rebirth domain
Which
We already respawn so is functionally useless unique ability wise

[worthy sierra]

Is that what godhood means? +5 hp 😭

[worthy sierra]

I thought nobody knows the ritual anyway

[limpid saddle]

+2 base defense & +1% to all damage types

[worthy sierra]

[worthy sierra]

Now that I think about it how did xeroc know the ritual if he was the first to ascend ever

[split mortar]

Domains let you use powers related to that domain without using mana
Say you are the deity of ash you can use any fire mage weapon without losing mana

[split mortar]

He made it

And its prob based on moonlords ability to dominate and control souls

[worthy sierra]

Crazy how the pillar fragments are probably just auric dragon soul fragments lmao

[split mortar]

True

[trim edge]

wait what implies he fought yharim

[worthy sierra]

So Yharon isn't the first time the player comes into contact with Auric dragon soul fragments

[mighty zenith]

honestly thats more of a convenient explanation why you can't learn the ritual

[worthy sierra]

Yharon probably knows but YOU KILLED HIM

[mighty zenith]

also he would not tell you that ever

[worthy sierra]

Yeah obviously

[young socket]

ah yes yharon

very famous pro god supporter

[split mortar]

Yharim made xeroc doubt his power
Why would yharim go against his morals and get exo tech from draedon and then go to fuck off nowhereland where anyone who could threaten him is unable to get to him unless its to figt john sun
Yharim knows of xerocs power in exo lore whisper

[mighty zenith]

you cant even torture it out of him lol he'd have to choose between temporary death and permament death

[worthy sierra]

I will KILL you if you don't tell me

"Which one?"

[trim edge]

if yharon's egg is destroyed does a new one just respawn

[split mortar]

Yeah

[trim edge]

infinite yhomelette

[worthy sierra]

what would auric egg taste like anyway

i would bet it tastes like an egg

[limpid saddle]

probably bad

You seen that egg sprite?

Its covered in scales & feathers & shit

[worthy sierra]

Not canon

[mighty zenith]

all roads lead to taste discussion

[limpid saddle]

YOU'RE not canon

[split mortar]

Hell

Asriel dreamurr vs Xeroc

[worthy sierra]

Isn't all boss spawn items like non canon say for like exotic pheromones

[worthy sierra]

:(

[limpid saddle]

like the normal goat boy or the goat with the swords & the stupid face

[split mortar]

The one with the rainbows

[limpid saddle]

yeah he probably takes that

unless xeroc is determined enough to overcome the 6 human souls & all of the underground i guess

[worthy sierra]

does yharon taste like chicken

or does he taste like alligator

[split mortar]

And also flowey who has the most determination then any other human but frisk

[split mortar]

Considering flowey can reset

[worthy sierra]

What is the lore implications if supreme calamitas was actually a femboy all along

[eternal veldt]

I'd probobly still marry him 🥀

[eternal veldt]

He does. I can confirm

I will turn that KFC into fried chicken every opportunity i get. I hate dragons so much

Wish they just die....

OH WAIT!!!

BAHAHA

[worthy sierra]

Real

[split mortar]

Would still be aroace so wont turn out well
And is fictional
Think thats a bigger hurdle

[cloud ibex]

literally nothing

[robust osprey]

scal would be awesomer

[wanton pendant]

What the hell?

[cloud ibex]

i don't think there's a single character in the mod who would change in any meaningful way if they were genderswapped

[robust osprey]

queen bee

and by extention pbg

[wanton pendant]

Braelor or Statis, because then we lose the gay.

[eternal veldt]

Yharim has a crush on queen bees

[cloud ibex]

i guess

[eternal veldt]

🙏 true

[dusk laurel]

❌

[feral skiff]

King Slime would be pink

two Queen Slimes

and then we would have to call her the Slime Goddess

[split mortar]

Slime god is alreaddy genderfluid idk if genderswapping them will do anything

[eternal veldt]

Nuhh uhh he clearly has a favourite

[wanton pendant]

Makes Gendergas.

[dusk laurel]

what r u even saying

[robust osprey]

what about gendersolid tho

[analog tundra]

I’ve got yet another question, how come “god-level” entities be far weaker than calamitas and the exo-mechs? For example: providence who is literally a goddess of the holy flames, the evil biome’s bosses who are pieces of dead gods, the devourer of gods, and so on.

[robust osprey]

beacuse thats just how gods in calamity are

[analog tundra]

I’m fully aware of the exo-mechs built specifically to defeat gods

[robust osprey]

eehhh

[zenith geode]

a god is someone who absorbed an auric soul, theyre not anything like capital g God from hit book Bible

[analog tundra]

I see, so the primordial wyrm just so happens to be a menace to the ecosystem of the sulphuric sea?

[zenith geode]

no?

it stays in the deep abyss

[gritty kraken]

old Duke look like a bigger problem here

[split mortar]

Supreme calamitas and the exos surpass all gods but xeroc

They do not rival gods

They have surpassed them

Excluding john sun

[robust osprey]

I surpasd all gods

all of them

[split mortar]

Also wrong they were built to rival yharim

[analog tundra]

So, technically speaking, the term “god” is relatively futile within the calamity gameplay ?

[gritty kraken]

see also: slime god

[long bloom]

compared to like
bible god yeah

[split mortar]

I doubt calamity will give every boss a stamina system just so gods can ignore it so yeah i do not think being a god affects the actual gameplay against one much

[analog tundra]

It does make them sound more threatening nevertheless

[raw nest]

Why does Calamitas laugh at the start of her fight when she’s ambushing us in lore?

Is she evil?

[split mortar]

True

[analog tundra]

Totally forgot about that chap

Isn’t calamitas , (I’m guessing) relatively and mentally unstable? From the fact that her psyche is what controls her powers.

[wanton pendant]

She's certainly traumatized.

But she's not likely to begin torching your town (anymore, at least).

[split mortar]

Why does her laughing and ambushing result in evil whar
Also wether scal is evil is a debate and up to interpretation

[gritty kraken]

Red magic is evil

[raw nest]

I’m joking lol

[raw nest]

I just think it’s funny she had the audacity to laugh when she ambushed us

[wanton pendant]

She's trying to aura farm.

[raw nest]

She’s asserting dominance is the real answer

Which is fair, the hood is actually so tuff

[analog tundra]

I bet you’d get scared when you hear woman laugh who then imprisons you in a indestructible box

[wanton pendant]

That happens to me every second Tuesday. I don't know where they come from or who is sending them. Help.

[long scaffold]

When Draedon is gaming is he like a TAS or does he play normally

[analog tundra]

I bet he goes 100% on the games and optimizes everything to be fully automatic, somehow

[noble falcon]

Draedon would be obsessed with sandbox tycoons like Factorio or Satisfactory or Miner’s Haven
No upper limit to production, always a way to make things more efficient

[sacred pilot]

GregTech would hit Draedon like crack.

[wanton pendant]

Depends on if he uses a peripheral to play.

[hoary cape]

Draedon types cheats when he games

[trim edge]

why is the exo twin that's orange like the sun not named apollo

[wanton pendant]

Because it doesn't shoot fire, like the sun.

[simple tangle]

Whats the hogs power level

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[trim edge]

could kill xeroc easily if it wanted to

[simple tangle]

Would Draedon enjoy competitive Pokemon

[wanton pendant]

Draedon would attempt to suck all joy out of competitive Pokémon by calculating the objective best team and strategy for every possible situation.
He'd also cheat in his Pokémon and get banned.

[simple tangle]

Everyone cheats in their Pokémon hes not special

/j

[zenith geode]

thats already how both smogon and vgc work

you make the best team for the format

[simple tangle]

Terraria players learn how multiplayer game metagames work

I feel like hed enjoy stall

[analog tundra]

I’ve got a feeling he wouldn’t cheat at all, he’d be more of a overachiever in a game

[noble falcon]

Draedon would be the kind of guy to sweep a full team of legendaries with baby pokemon in Showdown and make it look effortless

[zenith geode]

tbf quite a few legendaries suck

[agile matrix]

draedon using one (1) Aron

[light linden]

I wonder which legendary draedon would like the most

[agile matrix]

genesect maybe

[light linden]

Genesect is my kneejerk guess

I feel like he'd like Deoxys too

well

I think he'd be a fan of pokemon that are versatile in general

e.g. meloetta

[zenith geode]

iron valiant

[light linden]

aegislash too

[languid badge]

If we go off his current track of synergies I have doubts on draedons teambuilding prowess

[young socket]

no you see

hes better at singles than he is at vgc

[zenith geode]

ofc he'd pay the better format

[languid badge]

Draedon is just that one showdown bot

[zenith geode]

what would draedon's favourite singles format be

i feel like he'd either run SV OU or ADV OU

[agile matrix]

either normal format or ubermons (whatever its called)

[languid badge]

Ubers or ag

[agile matrix]

like where you can have a groudon with solar beam

[sinful adder]

I think he'd figure out the optimal way to win for every format at once

[sinful adder]

Hackmons probably

Though I'm surprised if Groudon doesn't already get solar beam

[languid badge]

Probably not, most formats are too fickle for there to be one singular optimal way

[zenith geode]

even the really low selection of mons in gen 1 ou still has quite a bit of movement

[sinful adder]

Oh there isn't, it's equal parts team building and skilled play

That's what makes it so interesting

And draedon would keep adapting

Not just find a single optimal way, but the optimal way at any given time

Does chess exist in calamity

[zenith geode]

probably

games similar to chess have been independently developed several times iirc

like shogi

[west plume]

why are you fake fluffy

[languid badge]

It’s not like I can change the name back so might as well roll with it

[spare pier]

You can ask a moderator.

[languid badge]

I know

[spare pier]

Then Faust is confused.

[noble falcon]

Does Draedon have WinRAR

[robust osprey]

it's simply commitment to the bit

[frosty charm]

He doesn't care Abt the format he just looks up good teams and criticizes them until he makes his own

[wanton pendant]

Draedon made WinRAR.

[frosty charm]

Good thing I've never paid the 40

[noble falcon]

“All proceeds go to incinerating you with my swagtastic robots”

[trim edge]

which boss names are just completely made up by the player

iirc the mechs are

[split mortar]

Pbg as well probably

[long bloom]

basically everything except people and the exos

and yeah pbg's actual name is 194-QB-03d

[wanton pendant]

Really rolls of the tongue.

[long bloom]

other exceptions...
eye/brain of cthulhu maybe, astrum aureus, astrum deus, moon lord, dragonfolly, uhhhh

yeah that's it i think

[trim edge]

draedon does call it pbg in the codebreaker dialogue

[long bloom]

looking into this

[wanton pendant]

'Moon Lord' does seem like a 'made up on the spot' name for the thing.

[long bloom]

where

[wanton pendant]

'Throughout the Crusade, I also created widespread surveillance systems, using knowledge gained from my original survey of the continent I was activated on. Soon, my vigil over Yharim's rapidly expanding territory was absolute, and my knowledge of his adversaries grew. There were few nations I knew not the weakness of, and fewer still that knew our own.
However, what I am most notorious for are my hulking machines of war. I am certain that you are familiar with them. Though Yharim was almost sycophantic in his praise of my results, even if he sometimes questioned my methods, our time together came to an abrupt end after he learned of the Plaguebringer Goliath. Regrettably, this event left a sizable hole in my laboratory. No longer subject to his restrictions, my work on cloning the Witch and creating exotechnology began.'

[long bloom]

ok the "role in the crusade" section

not the plague section

[trim edge]

wait what is the continent the entire game takes place on called

[long bloom]

whatever you named your world

[trim edge]

draedon makes it clear terraria is the name of the planet

[wanton pendant]

Whatever you named your world.

[long bloom]

colloquially, it's the heartlands

[wanton pendant]

Or 'Heartlands' for short.

This is why we should strip blue names of their reaction privileges.

[zenith geode]

i agree

[long bloom]

i use my powers for evil

[hoary cape]

hehehehe

WWG might have just dethroned umbara as the god of snails

[noble falcon]

Calamity takes place in Rhode Island
That is why you can walk from one end of the world to the other in a few minutes, it is very small

[hoary cape]

we now have a new snail god

[wanton pendant]

First order of business, watch your back, an immortal snail is en route.

[hoary cape]

Escargoth, God of Snails

actually that's a cool name

[long bloom]

[timber glacier]

Does Draedon feel any emotions? Like does he feel any pleasure from learning more things or does he just do it because of how he’s coded or what.

[wanton pendant]

He has emotions.

He does not have empathy.

Or morals.

But he can feel.

He very much takes pride in his work.

And he does have preferences in what he wants to research.

[timber glacier]

Very interesting

[split mortar]

He also feels something adjacent to frustration/anger at our shit names on some of his creations

[agile matrix]

he does not like Skeletron Prime or Miracle Matter

[split mortar]

Yeah

[agile matrix]

i think he's moderately okay with Spazmatism and Retinazer

and i think he hates Destroyer's name

[wanton pendant]

'The "Mechanical Trio", as most call them, are what you annoyingly refer to as The Destroyer, Retinazer & Spazmatism, and, though it pains me to call it this, "Skeletron Prime". While you may be an exceptional individual, I question your naming capabilities. For your information, their formal designations are HM-03, HSx-00, HSy-01, and HF-04 respectively.'

I don't think he likes any of them.

[timber glacier]

He doesn’t like any of them but skeletron prime does seem to annoy him more than the others

[wanton pendant]

Even though it's the best name.

[hoary cape]

draedon crashing out when he heard you naming them wrong

[timber glacier]

It is interesting that those names suggest there were 3? Destroyers, 4? Skeletron Primes and 1? Of one of the twins that previously existed and had the names like HM-02, but one of the twins is somehow like the 0th version or something

[wanton pendant]

They're revisions of the model.

Same with Exo Mechs, they likely weren't ever actually deployed.

[hoary cape]

the exo mechs have a similar model naming

though i think draedon may have actually given them names that time

[wanton pendant]

Exo Mechs were his magnum opus, he gave them proper names.

[hoary cape]

unless we named them ares, thanatos, etc.

[wanton pendant]

Original mechs were just a commission.

[noble falcon]

Bruh HES the one who went and made it look completely identical to Skeletron, he doesn’t get to not like it

[wanton pendant]

Draedon heavily indicates they're his names.

[timber glacier]

Also wait the exo mechs names suggest that greek gods are at least myths in the universe of calamity

Or whatever gods they named after

[wanton pendant]

Not really.

Just the names exist.

[hoary cape]

nah draedon just beat all of the god of war games

[wanton pendant]

Not the myth.

They're probably in-universe figures from Chrysonai culture.

[timber glacier]

I guess yeah that also could be probable

[wanton pendant]

It's far more likely than a random real life belief system exists in this fantasy world.

[timber glacier]

Also where did draedon originally even get the materials to start making things

Like before working with yharim

[wanton pendant]

He mined.

[hoary cape]

he invented exo prisms

[wanton pendant]

That was after he stopped working with Yharim.

[hoary cape]

having yharim helping him with supplies for a bit sure helped

[timber glacier]

Also in universe are the non-exo mech bosses looking like eoc, eow and skeletron just a coincidence

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Eye of Cthulhu and Eater of Worlds are regular monsters, so it's not impossible, sure, but Skeletron is almost certainly younger than Skeletron Prime.

[hoary cape]

the clothier got cursed after skeletron prime went rogue?

[raven brook]

I do like to think they were based of myth

[wanton pendant]

I would assume it was built first, since the mechs are one of the first things Draedon did for Yharim.

And sure, the Clothier is old, but he'd have to have been there for like, seventy years.

[raven brook]

As i've talked about the other day the term god most certainly existed before the ascencion of xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Just standing outside the Dungeon.

[raven brook]

so i wouldnt disregard the possibility of deities such as ares and such being worshipped in a more traditional religiou sense similarly to real life

as explanations of natural phenomenons and such

by older civilizations and settlements

though i do also think that while Dragons were around they'sd take up that role for the most part

[raven brook]

If anything

I doubt Xeroc even used the term "God" to refer as himself

dosen't really match his characterization much idt

and it just so happens taht the 2nd god to ever ascend we know of is the literal God of Dogma

[glacial rampart]

i really think he ascended and went "ok cool i can turn off the fucking preheat on the sun"

[raven brook]

i'm just saying there is a Much more better candidate for having actually started reffering to himself as a "god" after ascending than xeroc

[wanton pendant]

He had to spend like, a Xeroc week reading the Sun Manual Zeratros dropped on death.

[hoary cape]

maybe one of the dragons was named aries and was the dragon of war

[sinful adder]

Seen those little robot worm things? He has millions of those mining for him

[wanton pendant]

Then there would be both a dragon and god of War.

[timber glacier]

Oh yeah but like how did he get the materials to make the first of those exactly

[wanton pendant]

Is that even allowed?

[hoary cape]

dragon of combat

[long bloom]

aries is the zodiac

[split mortar]

A xeroc week… when is tax season in calamity

[sinful adder]

He mines them himself probably

[long bloom]

regular mining

[raven brook]

i think he ascended and then fucked off before spending a while drinking and smoking his sorrows away

[raven brook]

eventually he had his recovery arc and decided to lock in

first goal is to lower the fucking sun down

you can do it xeroc we believe you! said xeroc to himself in his head

[hoary cape]

draedon made the first pickaxe ever seen in terraria and mined /j

[wanton pendant]

Then he crafted.

[hoary cape]

creeper awwww man

[timber glacier]

one could say he minecrafted

Also another question, do we know why the mechanic is in the dungeon in calamity lore? Like shes there in vanilla so she can make the mechs but since draedon made them in cal lore why is she there tied up exactly

[wanton pendant]

No special reason, just got tossed in.

If there's lore to it, we don't know it.

Since she's not making mech bosses down there.

[hoary cape]

committed a crime obviously

[long bloom]

she was trespassing

[split mortar]

Too gay for the law idk

[raven brook]

sigh

[wanton pendant]

'Gay' and it's a woman madly in love with a man.
Save the gay for the REAL gay characters, Braelor and Statis.
#GaypeoplekillYharim

[raven brook]

ovaries explosion

i mean actually

does that even count?

eh, whatever. ovaries explosion.

[split mortar]

No because ovaries only get exploded on x vs y

[raven brook]

it's close enough

[split mortar]

No it’s not??

[raven brook]

anyways

[timber glacier]

On a related note like is there a reason why calamity adds the mechanic’s abandoned lab or whatever its called
Like is there a reason for why its there

[raven brook]

It's kinda just there to give you some wiring gear, i guess

I don't really know why exactly

seems a bit trivial but i mean. its a pretty looking sturcture i guess

[languid badge]

it was just kinda ponked there in from the ashes iirc

[cosmic zenith]

It was made as an easy obtainment method for the Toolbox

[wanton pendant]

It's so you know that Mechanic wasn't homeless, she was there to steal the Dungeon's tasty, tasty wires.

[cosmic zenith]

As you might not know, the Toolbox is a building accessory dropped at a chance from Presents

So it's quite finnicky to get otherwise

[languid badge]

I like how presents have 2 whole accessories and goodie bags get nothin

[cosmic zenith]

Bat Hook

[wanton pendant]

They have the Creeper Costume.

[split mortar]

Is the bat hook gay

[timber glacier]

It is weird how presents are actually helpful and goodie bags are basically only vanity

[timber glacier]

Yes

[wanton pendant]

Bingo.

[languid badge]

I mean presents do have their own version of bat hook its just worse

[timber glacier]

Its gay for the candy cane hook

[cosmic zenith]

Everything is gay in Calamity

Candy Hook sucks ass

Bat Hook was legit meta for a time

[wanton pendant]

It's because Halloween doesn't give you useful equipment in real life, only vanity and consumables, while Christmas has a much better loot table.

[languid badge]

I mean it still is

but like hook meta 💤

[wanton pendant]

Fact Check: False.
Mechanic and Goblin Tinkerer exist. They are not gay. It is uncanny how straight they are, it's almost scary.

[timber glacier]

Hey they could be like bi or something

[cosmic zenith]

In Calamity, silly....

That's from vanilla

[wanton pendant]

What about the Dragon of Heterosexuality, which is totally real.

[split mortar]

Gay

The heterosexual dragon is gay

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/miros-bird-rain-world-scissor-gif-4411924426290466839

[timber glacier]

What would the domain of the god who absorbed their soul be?

[split mortar]

God of gay

[wanton pendant]

God of Brunch.

[cosmic zenith]

God of Queer

Queer is a broader term, correct? I am always learning more stuff about the LGBT+ community

[wanton pendant]

I think so?

I'm not Dr. Gay, so don't quote me on that.

[split mortar]

P sure queer does refer to the thing as a whole

[split mortar]

While gay is mainly just homosexuals i think

[eager bluff]

yes

queer refers to anybody that doesnt fit within stereotypical gender/attraction roles

[cosmic zenith]

Ty for the confirmation

[raven brook]

That i can understand but,

damn .

[dusk laurel]

moderator

[raven brook]

did it really need to include Every Building Accessory Ever

[cosmic zenith]

Goddamn

[dusk laurel]

got dam

[raven brook]

😭

[cosmic zenith]

I did not know it had that much stuff lol

[long bloom]

yes

[raven brook]

Like yeah Toolbox makes sense, its actually a pretty helpful building accessory and its kinda silly

for it to be present only

[long bloom]

fuck the traveling merchant

[raven brook]

but why EVERYTHING ELSE DUDE WTF

[eager bluff]

so many of them are traveling merchant locked and traveling merchant is like the most inconsistent shop ever maybe

[raven brook]

Reocurring issue with calamity chest loot tbh

It just has way too much stuff on it

[raven brook]

I don't really have an issue with the travelling merchant is that my hot take of the day

[cosmic zenith]

Except the chests that are actually suited to mod content

[sinful adder]

Wait I'm like 80% sure it's just a chance to contain a random one of those

[cosmic zenith]

(Only Abyss)

[raven brook]

yep lol

[languid badge]

no its all of them

[sinful adder]

What

Huh

[raven brook]

No yeah it's all of them

[languid badge]

and as of 2.1 they can get reforges so lol

[raven brook]

ive played this mod enough to know

[long bloom]

lmao

[eager bluff]

its fine until you need one specific thing and not a seventh lifeform analyzer

[sinful adder]

The mechanic literally just sells like two of those at all times

[long bloom]

anyway i don't see an issue with making it easier to get gizmo pack preboss

[sinful adder]

Remove those ones from the pool at least

[long bloom]

not like it helps with progression