lore-discussion

[terse moss]

True

[hollow pivot]

You think the dragon is going to see 500 guys with bows and say “Eh it's prolly nothing.”

[terse moss]

I think a dragon, even with the raw power of Plantera would be like > Duke fishron

[terse moss]

Well he goes over to look and gets shot

[hollow pivot]

I think duke fishron could be a good baseline for the mobility and versatility of a dragon.

[terse moss]

Wait yeah auric>not auric, and Duke fishron is a non auric offshoot

So isn’t every auric > fishron

[sinful adder]

I do think 500 competent archers could beat an average auric dragon as long as they strike first, or catch it off guard

[terse moss]

Idk, if they are minimum Duke level, add an auric domain, and that’s the weakest, so the average is likely higher. That’s a menace. Like that would take armies

[hollow pivot]

Though a smart dragon would be on guard or in the Aerie, a ton of the dragons are probably egotistical and complacent considering their culture.

[sinful adder]

Consider that like, even if you have the strength, you gotta make sure you don't get your entire army killed by a big fireball attack

[terse moss]

A nation’s military maybe

[sinful adder]

No no, they're a bit under Duke fishron level with a domain

[terse moss]

But how

[twilit valley]

yharon is auric

[sinful adder]

As far as I understand it

[terse moss]

Duke is an imperfect offshoot

And no domain

[sinful adder]

They don't have absolute control of their domains

[terse moss]

Weaker in both regards

[hollow pivot]

You pretty much have to jump the dragon by surrounding it, including the skies. I suppose this is why it makes more sense that dragons would be absorbed by small squads of strong warriors like Providence's gang.

[sinful adder]

It's a combination of Duke being exceptionally strong and the average non auric dragon being weaker

[terse moss]

I mean fair

[twilit valley]

wait how is auric dragons= plantera if yharon is stronger than plantera

[terse moss]

So like 5-10 mech level guys could probably take one down

[terse moss]

Yharon is exceptionally goated

[hollow pivot]

According to Yharim the fishrons are the strongest ocean species, now he tends to lie, but this is dragons it's like his whole thing and he lacks a reason to lie about this.

Yharon is second strongest dragon.

[sinful adder]

yharon was the second strongest auric dragon, most of them were much weaker

[terse moss]

2nd strongest ever

[terse moss]

He might be glazing dragons, because so many abyss enemies are stronger

[hollow pivot]

Draconic Offshoots though. It's been shown by Old Duke that the offshoots were disliked by Auric Dragons and Yharon is like tied for most evil soulist dragon so the Fishrons might be stronger than Yharim gives credit for since he gets a fair bit of info from Yharon.

[twilit valley]

Are there references that say that other auric dragons are as strong as plantera level

[sinful adder]

Also the real secret is that offshoots aren't actually "imperfect", they're true dragons. The auric soul was just an easy way to get extra power

[sinful adder]

A lore writer mentioned it here once

[twilit valley]

i read in a lore file here, yharim is biased

so you cant be trusting what yharim says

[sinful adder]

On average they were as strong as plantera, but some of them were way weaker and others way stronger. The weakest dragons were probably mid prehardmode level, and the strongest were like yharon

[graceful warren]

I mean judging how strong the gods are. The dragon they got the powers from must have been at a similar level. Maybe lower

[terse moss]

Idk, like 10 people with access to an adamantium forge could go on a tear through the dragons

Like a skilled hunting squad of a dozen early hardmode guys

[hollow pivot]

Abyss might be separate from the Ocean because it's Silva's Domain not Anahita's.

[sinful adder]

It's generally expected that the gods are a little stronger than their respective dragons

[graceful warren]

I mean a bunch of guys killed the gods too

[terse moss]

Yeah

[graceful warren]

The reason we have crismon and corruption

[sinful adder]

Abyss was anahita's domain before Silva took it over

[terse moss]

True

[twilit valley]

but still i wish we can fighr a memory of these auric dragons

Post yharim

[hollow pivot]

So Gluttony Dragon was probably Aquatic Scourge tier?

[twilit valley]

or maybe after fighting noxus in the future

[terse moss]

It’s insane that you don’t even need godseeker knights with like uelibloom tier weapons. You need like tier 2 arsenal gear and a jumping

[graceful warren]

Honestly if that is true that would be insane

[sinful adder]

That sounds about right IF the retier goes through

[graceful warren]

Considering the god slime is only like wall of flesh teir at best

[sinful adder]

It's wrong if the retier doesn't happen

[hollow pivot]

Slime god is being considered to be retiered and swapped with Cal Clone.

[graceful warren]

No they keep getting away with thisb

[hollow pivot]

I kinda hope the retier does happen.

[sinful adder]

Currently it would be expected for the slime dragon to be around evil 1 tier

[terse moss]

Slime god needs a re-tier. He is such a fraud

[sinful adder]

Slime god being a fraud is funny tho

[terse moss]

Nah it’s sad

He has so much potential, man

[graceful warren]

So wait are they getting rid of slime god or re teir him

[hollow pivot]

I don't think they ever plan to get rid of Slime god.

[sinful adder]

There's an idea that they might swap calclone and slime god

[agile matrix]

okay so like imagine Slime God Fraud Layer 8

[twilit valley]

wait is there a hint they will re tier slime god?

[sinful adder]

There's also a more solid idea that they're probably going to swap dragonfolly and hive mind/perforators

[hollow pivot]

It would also mean we could see a Hallowed Paladin; or just, queen slime in the fight.

[sinful adder]

If they do this, they're also reimagining them entirely

[graceful warren]

Potential

[terse moss]

Finally

[hollow pivot]

Will they be reimagining Sg?

[twilit valley]

multiple phase slime god would be fun

[terse moss]

I even did the phrasing

I need my slander

It is what keeps me alive

[graceful warren]

Honestly hot take

Merge the queen slime and god slime fight into one fight

[twilit valley]

Why is slime god infernum much easier than base cal for me

I stood still most of the times

[terse moss]

Base cal SG is a biome mimic

You walk in one direction

[graceful warren]

Because we know lore wise the first time we kill slime god he comes back later as queen slime

[twilit valley]

tbh yeh

[hollow pivot]

Yeah maybe Slime god shouldn't be multiple King Slimes.

[sinful adder]

Idk

[twilit valley]

Took me 2 attempts with rogue

and same loadout i did with skeletron

[graceful warren]

Who plays rogue

[hollow pivot]

Nostalgic Thrower mains.

[twilit valley]

draedon tracker was so good

[graceful warren]

From what I have been told the major problem with rogue is stealth mechanic

[twilit valley]

nah its fun

its actually broken

[terse moss]

Stealth is just unintuative

That’s the main issue

It works in really wonky ways for no real reason

[hollow pivot]

I think Stealth is the only way to switch up gameplay in Rogue.

[hollow pivot]

Perhaps I haven't looked deep enough.

[long bloom]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[graceful warren]

Yeah honestly just have the 3 slimes converge into queen slime at half health or even do a second phase

[long bloom]

that's the worst implementation possibly imaginable

[graceful warren]

Yeah

But i mean it would make some sort of since

Considering lore wise god slime is a shape shifter and I belive god slime was a weaker form he made just to mess with you

[hollow pivot]

It would honestly be better the other way around where at half-health Queen Slime calls the slime god and the other paladins for help.

[graceful warren]

Well god slime is queen slime

That's the problem

[hollow pivot]

Pretty sure the lore implies the opposite of the Slime god holding back in the first fight.

[long bloom]

no they're just that washed

[graceful warren]

Yeah that what I was referring to. Queen slime is the version he takes to be serious

[long bloom]

not really

[hollow pivot]

Slime god could only make Queen Slime after you released the Hallow.

[long bloom]

they just got eaten

[graceful warren]

So wait is slime god not queen slime than

[hollow pivot]

It's like saying someone was holding back because they're tougher when you give them an iron weapon instead of a wooden stick.

[long bloom]

slime god fights you > runs away > tries to make a hallow paladin > it eats her > ensue queen slime fight

the crystal in the middle is slime god

[graceful warren]

Oh gotcha so basically he made something more powerful than him and it back fired

[hollow pivot]

Queen Slime is another paladin that the Slime god creates to protect itself and then it goes into like it does with the other paladins during its first fight.

[hollow pivot]

Except, for whatever reason, it didn't/couldn't escape the Queen Slime in time.

[graceful warren]

Oh so god slime is just the tiny ball thing than

Not the 2 bigger slimes

[long bloom]

yeah the big ones are their paladins

[hollow pivot]

My personal guess is that it crystalized to defend itself better but couldn't break out in time but that's just a theory. A GAME-

[long bloom]

bodyguards basically

[graceful warren]

So god slime was so weak he died to his own paladin

[long bloom]

she was still alive until you killed queen slime

just trapped

[graceful warren]

Sorry trapped in its own paladin

[agile matrix]

sorry is Slime God a girl ?

[long bloom]

genderfluid

[agile matrix]

neat!

[graceful warren]

Yeah so that version of the fight makes alot more sense

[graceful warren]

Wouldn't it be more like gender jelly

[long bloom]

true...

[graceful warren]

So a merger of the queen and god slime fight would be more like you fighting the trapped version of god slime in queen slime. While fighting the other paladin when queen slime gets low enough

I just dont want them to get rid of god slime

[long bloom]

i think all four of them should be killed and rebuilt from the ground up

[hollow pivot]

He also uses the Paladin to be more corrupt and impure.

[hollow pivot]

We should replace them with that one green paladin.

[hollow pivot]

I forgot what it was called.

[long bloom]

whar

the giant plague slime??

[hollow pivot]

I think this is it.

[long bloom]

yeah that was just for a potential plague minibiome

[hollow pivot]

Oh interesting.

Also is that a heart in the crimson paladin?

[long bloom]

appears so

all of those sprites are scrapped btw

[long bloom]

yeah

[hollow pivot]

Why were they scrapped?

[hollow pivot]

They look better than the OGs.

[long bloom]

not worth the effort to implement bc the "rework" only made the fight like 10% better

[hollow pivot]

I see.

So it's not being upgraded because it would most likely be replaced anyways?

[long bloom]

correct

[hollow pivot]

That makes sense actually.

[long bloom]

i don't think anything's stopping them from implementing the sprites but not the rework though

[hollow pivot]

🤷‍♂️

Depends on how animated it is an if the spriter is fine with it being added still.

[long bloom]

fully animated iirc

[hollow pivot]

But I don't see how this would be a big problem if it already is possible to do all these things.

It's just a bit pointless.

[feral skiff]

calamity mod spriters making the most amazing art known to man, only to scrap it 2 milliseconds later

[long bloom]

[feral skiff]

“yeah we just made the spriter’s equivalent to the Mona Lisa, no we aren’t going to implement it”

[graceful warren]

Cool design 👎 Gooner bait 👍

[long bloom]

whar

[graceful warren]

I was making a joke about how the elementals designs got into the final game but not the actual cool respites

[long bloom]

that was during the fabsol regime

[sinful adder]

So they made great sprites that they won't use because they'll be obsolete... In like 2 years at least

Just. Put the sprites in. And then replace them later.

Why? What's the rationale behind this? Shouldn't you make the mod as good as it can be even for things that are temporary, if it's not extra effort?

[long bloom]

:idk:

[agile matrix]

okay genuine question that i have to ask dodgingly: do you think fabsol Liked liked some character designs in calamity

like for their Own Reasons that i gotta ask Dodgingly

[cloud ibex]

Probably

[split mortar]

Wasnt duke fishron basically one till 1.3 came out

That would mean draedon can cause more domain of electricity to exist which
No it feels wack
Devs have said draedon doesnt grow that before iirc

Yeah but players have the ability to respawn to gain skill against that one specific boss
So its not fair to use player skill

[split mortar]

Yeah but the bestiary isnt and that says eidolon wyrms = average auric dragon iirc

[split mortar]

Yharons the second strongest auric dragon ever you would demolish all but zeratros if you dont buff them

[compact ridge]

Fight all of them at once if you get jumped by like a hundred eidelon wyrms thatd still be pretty hard to live

Peak idea i know

[split mortar]

Piercing weapons

[sinful adder]

They literally had this whole thing with the stylist, and making her and his OC love each other

[agile matrix]

well i knew that (shocked they didnt do Anything Else) but i feel fabsol woulda (possibly drunkenly) made the character designs for a specific clientele

[sinful adder]

I mean yeah

I think just the elementals really

Honestly I can't blame them for this part because I was just as bad 8 years ago

I literally got myself banned from the calamity art server for it back then

[raven brook]

technically was the final boss

more fucked up than that,

golem was the final boss at one point

[terse moss]

True

Back in 1.2 on versions without ocram

Duke fishron was like an optional post game boss

It was wack

[sinful adder]

Oh man I remember that time

It was crazy. There was a bug where you could summon multiple duke fishrons

[terse moss]

Image where the guy flips the calendar and it’s like 2012

With the old Duke infinite spawning

[late veldt]

insteaf

d

[split mortar]

Yeah so duke was the post final boss that was harder

[raven brook]

i mean

no duke was just the fianl boss

its the last boss in progression

its the final boss

but duke was added 1.2.4

which means before that in 1.2 golem was the final boss

there was no duke it was just. golem. as the final boss in the game

[agile matrix]

i mean it kinda makes sense

like if it ended at golem i could see it

[split mortar]

Really? Didnt actuslly knoe

[raven brook]

we went from having a pathetically underwhelming final boss to a frustratingly annoying final boss instead

wonderful

[split mortar]

Dukes frustrating and annoying?

[raven brook]

there also was the mechs as the final boss era

and fucking, skeletron

[split mortar]

Yeah i know

[raven brook]

no

moon lord

[split mortar]

Yeah i know

[split mortar]

Ah fair

[raw nest]

Uhhh does the princess npc (not the drunk) have lore in calamity?

Like what is she the princess of?

[wanton pendant]

Unknown.

[split mortar]

You dont need to specify the non drunk princess
Drunk princess got shot

[raw nest]

Yeahhhhh but just to make sure

[robust osprey]

princess is superior in every way anyways

[wanton pendant]

Ok, but can she fish?
That's why Angler wins.

[robust osprey]

the angler probably teaches her how to fih

therefore yes she can

[wanton pendant]

But as powerscalers teach us, the teacher must always be stronger than the taught.

[robust osprey]

damnit ur right

but I can't accept the angler being superior to anyone

he's like berdly.

I don't want him to succeed.

[wanton pendant]

Angler would turn Berdly into chicken nuggets.

[robust osprey]

there's no reason he's just annoying.

angler gets low diffed by supreme ruler amidias

[wanton pendant]

Amidias is a fish.
Gets fished by Angler.

Angler wins.

[robust osprey]

the fish can overcome the angler

this has happened several times

[wanton pendant]

Don't you know what they say?
There are plenty of fish in the sea.
And pal?
There's always a bigger fish.
That fish being a simile of the Angler.

[robust osprey]

but there HAS to be a biggest fish

[wanton pendant]

That biggest fish is the Angler, but in a metaphorical sense.

[robust osprey]

no! it can't be!

what about

a fish angler?

[sinful adder]

Just remembered from princess conversation. There aren't really any hallowed building blocks

Actually I think they added some in vanilla

[compact ridge]

So he’s like the best character in Deltarune? That’s not very accurate as the angler is an idiot child I hate and Berdly is the goat

[raven brook]

dont diss berdly

idc about the angler but the angler is just annoying while berdly is funny and comedic

[hollow pivot]

How does the Slime god balance the world?

[long bloom]

uses the paladins to absorb some of the corruption and crimson

[hollow pivot]

So pretty much the same as the Dryad but slime rather than powder?

[long bloom]

does the dryad even do anything herself

[hollow pivot]

🤷‍♂️

She kinda just sits there are tells you there's 1% evil in the world.

[long bloom]

she's not

it speeds up because you kill wof

which releases the rest of the essence

[plush trellis]

I see.

[hollow pivot]

Slaying one merely paves the way for a dozen more. Surely this does not concern you, either.
What exactly does Yharim mean by this?

[olive vault]

I think its something like
When you kill a god, its a matter of time for the other gods to take notice and be ready for a war

[hollow pivot]

This is EoC btw.

[olive vault]

Oooh, then its like

It doesnt matter that you kill one, theres more and more out there waiting

[hollow pivot]

godkiller ❌
hopekiller ✅

[olive vault]

Because in the past, heroes killed monsters like the eye, so it was like a "relief" and a moment of peace for the people

But now, the world is infested of Monsters, the corruption, the zombies, everything is trying to kill you day by day, and theres no practical way to change this

[olive vault]

Maybe something like:

"There is no way to change this world, but you dont seem to care about this"

Because the terraria-guy is like focused in get more power?

[olive vault]

And maybe thats why yharim is like: maybe i can teach you and you can be my succesor

[olive vault]

In my mind: anahita will give me a kiss if i kill yharim

[hollow pivot]

Does Yharim send whispers to everybody who kills the EoC? Or is the Terrarian just interesting to him?

[olive vault]

I think the whispers are only for the terrarian, but idk if its because no one else is capable of doing that or maybe because the terrarian is especial in some way

[hollow pivot]

Probably the first time I've heard the Terrarian's origin be "Simp".

[olive vault]

"Fish lady told me she will give me a kiss if i kill homeless tyrant guy and his chicken of fire"

We just have to wait to see what will happen in the future,

Right now we only now that

The H O G is coming

[marsh venture]

I kinda made a creation story based on calamity lore for my English essay
I think I was possessed by Shakespeare

Um

@ me if you wanna see ot

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[shell sail]

when the terrarian defeat yharon does that mean terrarian can absorb yharon soul and become god?

[dusk laurel]

No, to become a god, a person has to know how to perform the ritual to do so, which we never are gonna find out ingame
Also the terrarian's lore is up to the player's interpretation so of you want then there's nothing stopping you, but this will never happen in the mod
It's more accurate to say a god btw, since you're not becoming an all powerful being by ascending, like the one in the bible

[quasi portal]

Is Yharim a human? I'm a little confused as to how he lived for so long.

[dusk laurel]

Yes, he's lived that long due to probably being very healthy, and also his attunement to yharon helping with that, draedon probably did some things when he was still employed by yharim

[quasi portal]

Mmm I see. Thank you ^^

[long bloom]

you don't know the ritual, and also yharon's soul teleports to the aerie when he dies

[shell sail]

who is aerie

[long bloom]

the dragon aerie

a location

it's where yharim currently is

draedon recounts him describing it as a huge sky island

it allegedly exists somewhere in terraria, but draedon can't find any traces of it despite scanning the entire surface multiple times

that's basically all we know

[pastel bay]

Do we think Calamitas' robes have pockets

[cloud ibex]

I’ll go with “probably”

[pulsar ocean]

I’ll go with “perchance”

[west plume]

she can carry things with magic. like an arbitrary amount of things. a roadtrip with calamitas would just be her lifting you and your belongings up and flying away

no need for pockets

[pastel bay]

Hammer space

[west plume]

permafrost has pockets though

[pulsar ocean]

How does auric rebuke work on anything that’s not the ore

Like the oracle yoyo and the landmine

[long bloom]

oversight

[split mortar]

From what i remember the yoyo is more continuous so its probably just draining the auric for the electricity rather then setting of the rejection

Landmin is uh
Fucked up
Why is it like that

[woven raft]

xyk...

[mild obsidian]

ok so... the fuck do the lyrics of ROTJD mean

'they have managed to demolish whatever we made' the fuck did we do??

how did any of what we've done up to fighting yharon even affect yharim, is it that we've become as powerful as him?

[cloud ibex]

you've picked off one of his strongest "allies", to whatever extent DoG can be considered allied to Yharim, and you've sent his sole friend and the whole reason the crusade even happened back to the respawn cue for the next decade

[west plume]

i dont think rotjd has canon lyrics and yharim/yharon no longer have a master/servant dynamic

[mild obsidian]

fair

they should be yaoi instead

lovers

[long bloom]

rotjd lyrics are canon

[long bloom]

true

[west plume]

maybe with modifications

The enemy ascended beyond your control;
​or was that all your intention?
yharon is attuned with yharim and has likely already been communicated with/simply knows about the terrarian and yharim's plans regarding them
They have managed to demolish whatever we made,​
this is outdated and the player doesn't explicitly destroy anything in active use by yharim, his empire or his standing army. you may count the regular mechs but they are outdated and the empire is no longer required to use such expensive and destructive machinery to maintain itself; yharon knows this, as someone with direct contact with the empire's tactician
​and your rival dares stand in my way...
yharon, an attuned dragon, knows that yharim does not have an antagonistic relationship with the terrarian in current lore
This is my message to my master:
yharim is not yharon's master; yharon is not in service of yharim. they are partners who happen to be best friends and agree with each other, and who happen to have a mutual goal (most of the time)
If you proceed, I will not blame you.​
I will move forth and win your war.​
yharon is not being a reliable narrator here; he kills himself upon you and is not personally obligated, pressured or bound to fighting you. he does this of his own volition and he also knows who you are. the blessed phoenix egg's description is: A symbol of the Dragon watching over and waiting for you.
But if I should die before you continue,​
​you shall have heard my final dying roar.​
this is an entirely characteristically selfish action by yharon and he could have just waited in the aerie with yharim so they could attack you both at once, and a bad lyric in this context.

this made a lot more sense with jungle dragon yharon i believe who was a much simpler character and makes little sense with resplendent phoenix yharon's current characterization, in my opinion

[long bloom]

i suppose

[pastel bay]

Do we reckon Calamitas is more of a legend than known to exist for certain by most people, given every time Yharim had her sent out it was for complete annihilation

[pulsar ocean]

idk

[split mortar]

Theres some survivors of ilmeris like amidias so they would certainly know
But overall prob varies place to place and how affected they were of the crusade

[agile matrix]

on 2, i always thought "They" was the generalist term for "The people"

since Yharon's been alive for a really long ass time, he can probably see the signs of a civilization failing

[west plume]

people know of The Supreme Witch, the Red Hooded Eyes. it's doubtful people could recognize a random azafure woman who happens to be a fire mage though

[agile matrix]

and therefore know when Yharim's lost

[west plume]

currently no one else can really 'destroy' what is happening in the empire. all of the terribleness in the world is currently pretty self inflicted by yharim

[agile matrix]

well i know but like

Yharim's armies are kinda kaput

[west plume]

the terrarian is the only person who has the capacity and power to do such a thing and yharon is speaking about them

[agile matrix]

either not organized

or just Dead

like most of what made Yharim feared, outside of Yharim and Yharon themselves, does not exist anymore

everyone has kinda left that dude as he has the world to go to Dragon Land

also on 3, isnt Yharim like halfways our rival

we, in his eyes, "rival" his power and could be a feasible replacement, from what i understand

[west plume]

the empire is still functioning and is a stratocracy

the military is functioning still even if it's an empire in decline

[agile matrix]

is that so

[west plume]

you could rival his power and he's encouraging you to do it while also trying to propagandize you to replace him, a dying old man

[agile matrix]

i believe (if im taking ROTJD real serious for the Not Jungle Dragon) that Yharon could be phrasing it like that since he believes you could do it, in a not belief way

does that make sense?

im not exactly sure how to phrase it

[pastel bay]

So, basically outside of her robes she'd be just another person to anyone who doesnt know her by name

[west plume]

yeah

[agile matrix]

i mean if i took off all of yharims armor he'd be a very very very burned guy

[pastel bay]

I choose to believe he moisturizes

[agile matrix]

no one would know them as Yharim, Godseeker

[agile matrix]

no amount of moisturizer can save that skin, its a losing battle

like his other escapades! wow!

[pastel bay]

Actually do we think his armor does the moisturizing for him? Bet Draedon could figure it out

[west plume]

i think many people have seen yharim's bare face, i don't think it's something he hides and he isn't particularly attached to his complexion

calamitas was an agent who would be sent out to float 300 feet above a place and nuke it

[pastel bay]

Getting low on funding in the early days so he does skincare ads where he had a body double for the "after" picture

[west plume]

Draedon brand exfoliant

[long bloom]

exo-foliant

[agile matrix]

im so serious though the calamity lore has to scrounge up another near-omnipotent engineer

i love draedon in a platonic way. i really do. but i cannot be going to the store and seeing Draedon either meanmugging or having a big cheesy "grin" on every product

[leaden bridge]

i think they should scrounge up normal engineers

[pastel bay]

Yeehaw

[leaden bridge]

draedonw asnt developed by a single guy thats a lie youre lying. what did the other people went on to do once Not Daedalus killed himself and made draedon

[pastel bay]

I mean ain't that kinda what wulfrum drones are? A desperate effort to mass produce an force to hold out against Yharim?

Or did that get changed

[leaden bridge]

theyre too weak to be that

theyre like, robots made by rebels because wulfrum metal is really cheap?

[zenith geode]

they were created to do something against the yharmy

did they? no not really

they prolly got a couple guys over the course of the crusade

but like nowhere near enough to ever be taken as a serious threat

[agile matrix]

shocking that theres no Wulfrum Landmine

[robust osprey]

qquantity over quality

[pastel bay]

Like I said, a desperate effort

[leaden bridge]

i just think theyre too weak to make sense as a desperate effort

theyre hardly stronger than slimes

unless they can be built entirely out of wulfrum they make no sense like, economically

and even then its just kinda wasted effort

like you run up against a wall and its that making things takes time and resources

[pastel bay]

They fly, they shoot laser,

And theyre not as flammable

[leaden bridge]

even if they're made entirely out of Wulfrum Electronics or whatever. its like

they are too weak to actually do anything against basically anyone with actual combat training or capabilities so you're just

wasting human effort and time on them

[pastel bay]

Gotta remember we see like, single digit numbers. These things were meant to operate in a horde.

We're also not the average person

[leaden bridge]

for no real reason?

neither is yharim's army

which. you know. would be the actual targets

not nurse civilian number fifty

[pastel bay]

Like you could probably mass produce over a hundred a day, and they clearly just run once theyre turned on.

Mightve been all people had left

Also they had the wulfrum acrobatics pack so who really won in the end

[plucky juniper]

maybe we should have wulfrum hordes that occasionally roll up

[robust osprey]

reminder tthat the average yharmy probly had at least post evil2 ggear

[wanton pendant]

Wulfrum Megazord.

[split mortar]

that was uh
non combatants iirc

[robust osprey]

wwhat

ddo the combatants just have better arsenal weapns

[split mortar]

the hardmode arsenal weapons exist which were the average gear for a knight iirc

[robust osprey]

oh tthat makes ssense

[leaden bridge]

yeah thats

idt a horde of wulfrum is doing anything you know

thats kinda the problem

[wanton pendant]

They were a desperation move in an unwinnable fight.

If the Wulfrum drones were an actual danger, it wouldn't be as fitting.

[leaden bridge]

wasting time and resources for no reason award

[eager bluff]

they werent meant to be an actual threat in the same way a weaponized swarm of mosquitos arent an actual threat

they arent going to cause any meaningful damage they're just gonna be annoying as shit until you waste time to deal with them

[wanton pendant]

Time that your enemy has lost, and resources your enemy is deprived of.

[leaden bridge]

except you are the one wasting time making them and the resource is clearly not good? what do you mean

[eager bluff]

who knows maybe they find someone allergic to getting shot with lasers and kill them but thats not a common occurrence and they're still shitboxes made of shitmetal

[leaden bridge]

except it takes like a second to kill a horde of them with an arsenal t2 weapon

they are, also, unlike mosquitoes, not very hard to hit

[wanton pendant]

I suppose you're just a defeatist.

[eager bluff]

tbf evidently the time and resources used on them isnt exactly significant

considering how fucking many there are

[west plume]

i think wulfrum is kind of a lore hole

i think the purpose of it currently is to show that there are other engineers besides draedon able to make complex technological constructs even if they're shoddy because they don't have the resources draedon does and don't have anomalous artificial intelligence creation knowledge

computers in general not offered by draedon are available and common

[raven brook]

I think wulfrum would be awesomer if it leaned less into being a military thing (Which it clearly wouldnt work particularly well as besides just being nuisances) and more into the idea these bots were very versatile and made with all sort of functionality

Right now the wulfrums individually dont rly have much identity

guy who flies

guy who flies, again

guy who rolls

guy who. slides, i guess

they dont really strike as things that each were built for a specific function as much as theyre just videogame enemy

if that makes sense

[split mortar]

as much identity as goomba

or well less idk

[raven brook]

goombas have far mor identity deadass

goombas are good character design

theyre immediately recognizable and their design reeks of Low Level Thug which is what they are

they have personality

[agile matrix]

also their design emblemizes the requirement

they're shaped like an arrow pointing up

aka: go to where this is

[main veldt]

does draedon know hes in a game

[raven brook]

no

[raven brook]

theres no metanarrative

he means it literally

another planet

not . out of the game Terraria

[main veldt]

ohh ight

[split mortar]

terraria is the name of the planet

[main veldt]

he had me thinking he was a mastermind for a second

[agile matrix]

he is a megamind

[raven brook]

say that again

[agile matrix]

PRESENTATION!

[hollow pivot]

This looks like cosmilite Yharmy soldiers.

[pastel bay]

Calamitas is Aro/Ace right

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

And yet she doesn't use a bow. Is she stupid?

[jolly edge]

so true i think it'd be neat if they were remnants of a civilisation who were fucked by the yharmy and their general carelessness for collateral damage, lil machines made of scrap help unfuck their society

[wanton pendant]

Well, there is one... but it wasn't the army that did it...

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, I'd like to show them in more utilitarian purposes

[long bloom]

wulfrum refrigerator

[raven brook]

In RoY we have Wulfrums that fill the roles of mining devices, goods/material transport, communication, personal bodyguards, etc

its veen very fun to adapt the wulfrums

[light linden]

hi stop

stp]

stup

stop

stip

fucking hell

[long bloom]

😭

[wanton pendant]

?

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah that's more or less what I mean

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[light linden]

can I ask a question?

[icy veldt]

There's also the Wulfrum prosthesis tbf, but that's also part-weapon

[wanton pendant]

Anything is a weapon if you throw it hard enough.

Similarly, anything is a smoke machine if operated wrong enough.

[icy veldt]

Does that include people? If you're a surgeon, and you operate on a person wrong enough, does your patient become a smoke machine?

[wanton pendant]

I mean, yeah, if you do it bad enough, they catch fire.

[split mortar]

thats called arson i think

[icy veldt]

Cooking

[split mortar]

Same thing

[wanton pendant]

I think it has to be an object to be arson, if it's a person it's like, battery I think.

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[split mortar]

Thought batteries stored electricity

[wanton pendant]

People store electricity.

[light linden]

could vetrasyl both create a tornado and then curl around said tornado?

[long bloom]

whar

[cosmic zenith]

Probably, yes

[pastel bay]

Yharim's master plan is to pipe bomb our mail he's just waiting for us to get a mailbox

[wanton pendant]

He's eternally frustrated that the sun can't be mailed to.

[hollow pivot]

How long does it take the Terrarian to go from start to finish of game?

[hollow pivot]

(Assuming it's not up to the player)

[agile matrix]

approximately a week to a month

[long bloom]

it is

the only limit is that it's less than a decade

[abstract hedge]

Wow the terrarian gets strong fast

I assume decade is cause that's when Yharim just dies of natural causes or something?

I guess they are kinda hard carried by their equipment and not physically super powerful but even still they get really powerful really fast.

[long bloom]

✅

[feral skiff]

calamity lore: 100+ pages of information, an entire bestiary, whispers of yharim, so MANY dev statements
calamity gameplay: DASH, ATTACK, RAGE, ADRENALINE, DASH AGAIN, DASH A THIRD TIME

[robust osprey]

isnt that like every game that is not entirely lore based

[terse moss]

Risk of rain moment

[thick slate]

guys would yharim be more of a paladin or fighter

or maybe a mix of both

[eager bluff]

fighter

[thick slate]

yea maybe

i feel like he has an oath tho

to yharon and the dragons

i feel like braelor is more of a fighter

or maybe a barbarian idk enough about him

[wanton pendant]

I mean, if you want to avoid running into really minor narrative inconsistencies (nobody having a birthday), then like, the span of the year is probably the best time frame. Minimum is however fast you can beat the game, max is like ten years.

[terse moss]

I say paladin personally

Oath of the ancients

[thick slate]

im playing in a dnd campaign and we all gotta play characters from a game we like

[terse moss]

That’s sick

[thick slate]

i thought yharim would b cool to play

also i like never play big sword guys

so its a change of pace

[terse moss]

Or oath of conquest

Hell, even oath of vengeance

[hollow pivot]

So you're chaotic evil?

[terse moss]

Lawful evil

[thick slate]

hes like lawful evil

yea

also his characterization is pretty indepth unlike most other calamity characters

[terse moss]

I made a wack dnd character that was a weird mix of Yharim, the paintress from E33, and a bunch of other guys

[thick slate]

so i have a grasp of how he plays

[terse moss]

He is the main antagonist but I haven’t been able to introduce him yet since he is still sealed and it’s actually killing me

Going to have to wait like 2 years

[pastel bay]

Low estimate

[hoary cape]

i wish i was in a dnd game lol

i am too often the dm and it's been a mess recently for my games

[terse moss]

We are 27 sessions in and I am unironically expecting a total campaign of 150-175

The fabled 6 year campaign

[sinful adder]

I've never played dnd

[terse moss]

It’s very fun with the right people

[hoary cape]

the two games i am currently running are on indefinite pause so i don't have any dnd content at the moment to keep me busy. I suppouse that gives me time to flesh out the world as i should have done to begin with. It's so bland at the moment

[sinful adder]

I looked into it and started writing a character once. After extensively researching the mechanics and classes, even homebrew ones, I've come to the conclusion that no one involved knows how to make fun classes and mechanics that deviate from literally like 3 or 4 standard formulas for how they work

[hoary cape]

Tbh I thought this was the general chat because of the dnd talk 😂

[terse moss]

Yes

[hoary cape]

I have a class I am making slowly, but still working on it when I have time

[terse moss]

Homebrew everything

Just make it up as you go with your players

[sinful adder]

In all of the homebrew I've seen, not a single one makes a melee damage dealer use melee attacks that work like spells. The closest example is the druid's wild savagery which is cool but not enough for a whole class focused on the idea

[terse moss]

Paladins do with smites

And monk extra attacks with ki points kinda

[sinful adder]

I wanted to make what would basically be a melee sorcerer, someone who punches and claws you with elemental attacks

[terse moss]

Not as much

[hoary cape]

I mean there is the magus which allows you to attach spells to your attacks

[terse moss]

Do the 4 elements monk

[sinful adder]

But they're not melee attacks, they should use your spellcasting modifier and spell slots or sorcery points

[hoary cape]

It's a pathfinder class that got converted

You make a melee attack and it then hits them with the spell

[terse moss]

Booming blade is great for this

And smites, as previously mentioned

Do a paladin

[sinful adder]

Booming blade sucks ass

[terse moss]

Oath of the ancients for elemental attacks

[hoary cape]

The thing is there aren't really any melee spells so that's why it doesn't exist

[terse moss]

It’s really good if you build around it

Trust me

[sinful adder]

Then make melee spells

[wanton pendant]

Lore discussion.

[hoary cape]

You ever mix booming blade with war caster and dissonant whispers

[hollow pivot]

If you have a group of close friends/family it can work really well.

[terse moss]

[sinful adder]

Also! Rules as written, blade tripsndont work on natural weapons

Neither do a ton of other things

[terse moss]

Just homebrew it

Like you are allowed to just change rules

Most rules in dnd are bad

[sinful adder]

actually I have a half finished character sheet I could send you

I feel I should clarify I was making this character for an RP server with established rules and selection of homebrew

So that wasn't an option

[terse moss]

Ah

[hollow pivot]

If you're using rules as written then you can cast sending to send 25 words to an enemy in the space of 6 seconds as each round is 6 seconds and Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious is one word.

[hoary cape]

Just send them that 25 times

For absolutely no reason

[sinful adder]

At most I got permission to use primal savagery on a sorcerer and have it count as a natural weapon

[hollow pivot]

And if you have 2 magic actions they're cooked.

[terse moss]

I always allow smites on natural weapons

Or thrown objects

Hell, even unarmed strikes and bites

It’s so much cooler

[sinful adder]

It was decent but it was ultimately no matter what I did, the character fell short of literally every other standard build in terms of power

[thick slate]

we also got uh the beheaded, arthur morgan, rennala and someone else in our campaign

[terse moss]

If you want a really nasty character, run gloomstalker Ranger and assassin rogue with piercer

[thick slate]

kinda gas

[terse moss]

Garanteed crit that does like 200 damage

It’s a gimmick build but very funny

[terse moss]

Peak

[thick slate]

or rellana

i forgot

the second one

the dlc one

[sinful adder]

I had one specific character idea I wanted to bring to life

[terse moss]

My party is an immortal angelic soldier, a tiefling alchemist, a robot with amnesia, and a religious zealot schitzophrenic barbarian

[thick slate]

fire

i loveee warforged

[terse moss]

Warforged are peak

[thick slate]

was considering playing draedon but thats hard

[terse moss]

I have Draedon as a regional boss lol

He is in charge of the 4th continent

[thick slate]

awesome

[hollow pivot]

IMMORTAL?

[terse moss]

Yeah

Character bit

[thick slate]

nothing a wish spell cant fix

[terse moss]

He has died 3 times already lol

[hollow pivot]

[terse moss]

He is 127 and was alive during the Great War

[hollow pivot]

Did ytu know Level 20 Clerics get “Greater Divine Intervention” which is just wish?

[thick slate]

yea

divine intervention is cool

[terse moss]

They have a direct line to god

[hollow pivot]

Divination is crazy spell ngl.

[hoary cape]

Anyway this isn't calamity lore so can y'all move to #general-talk eral

[terse moss]

Fair

[hollow pivot]

True

[hoary cape]

Lore lore lore lore

[long bloom]

what does yharo

[terse moss]

Who up lorin’ it

[hoary cape]

42

[wanton pendant]

Arson.

[thick slate]

bird

[crystal pendant]

Big spicy

[pastel bay]

Suppose the bright side is Yharim canonically whispers to the player, so you have a lot of time for seeds to be planted and set him up quite well

[terse moss]

True, they get “whispers” through cursed items in the form of flashback visions from the perspectives of his generals

[real silo]

Whispers....

ok yknow I didn't even realize I still have this nick

[raw nest]

What would’ve happened if we allowed the celestial pillars and their forces to just wreak havoc instead of actually trying to stop them? Would fovos try to take over terraria again?

[sinful adder]

I assume so

A few different people could have stopped it given it's weakened state

Providence and yharim would be the most likely to do so

Maybe also Calamitas

[long bloom]

read embers

[raw nest]

Is that the Providence story?

[long bloom]

yuh

[raw nest]

So if we didn’t kill Providence ourselves it was a guranteed she’d become stronger than everyone else? Is that what you’re implying?

[long bloom]

no

it's one of the possibilities

[raw nest]

Also side note I just beat Providence for the first time and her lore item is actually my favorite it’s so funny seeing Yharim glaze our actions saying things like “a glorious day” and how “deeds of this caliber” are enshrined in legend yada yada

[sinful adder]

He's not wrong. Providence is basically equally evil to yharim

Just in slightly different ways

[long bloom]

she's way more evil

[sinful adder]

Eh, I guess

[robust osprey]

no yeah I think she's eviler

[long bloom]

kill gods vs kill everyone

[raw nest]

Also why is Providence connected to the hallow/underworld?

[robust osprey]

kill seven trillion people

[real silo]

kill everyone 🐚

[sinful adder]

Yharim was practically "kill everyone except for a few people"

[long bloom]

she's not

[sinful adder]

Mostly old lore

[robust osprey]

seems better than provi

[long bloom]

it's a holdover from ancient lore yeah

[robust osprey]

[sinful adder]

But they don't have a better spot to put the provi enemies so uh

[real silo]

She was sent to hell for being naughty

[raw nest]

I know its not canon but Infernum only made it more confusing making a whole ass structure for her

[robust osprey]

providence is actually helping yharim, she kills everyone so silva dies!!

[real silo]

Santa decided coal wasn't enough

[long bloom]

that was zaelithar

[robust osprey]

providence was good all along.

[long bloom]

[real silo]

Who's to say she didn't get the same treatment

[hollow pivot]

Draedon would probably watch for a while and then intervene before he loses too many test subjects.

[long bloom]

he wasn't even mentioned in embers

[raw nest]

Because it’s obvious he’d clap Providence before she could actually do anything

[hollow pivot]

Hallow is old lore, Underworld is her ascension place but it's mostly old lore that she's biome-locked.

[raw nest]

Oh yeah that makes sense I forgot about that

[robust osprey]

provi should be a snow biome boss

[hollow pivot]

Dog might kill Moon Lord before he can destroy everything and Yharon would probably kill Moon Lord because he wants to finish the job or smth.

[raw nest]

Hope we get more lore on the demons, the devils devastation weapon line gave some really interesting information about them

Like apparently they had demon lords?

[robust osprey]

I am the demon lord actually

[hollow pivot]

I thought it was Black Doom from Shadow the Hedgehog?

[robust osprey]

I killed that guy

[hollow pivot]

I thought it was only his dog that could die?

[real silo]

this implies ur a dude

dudexie

[robust osprey]

😨

what the hell is tthe femenine for llord

[hollow pivot]

Lady in Scotland iIrc.

[long bloom]

lady

but that's dumb

[real silo]

Demon lady

🗣️🗣️

[hollow pivot]

Demon Llama?

[real silo]

more like

demon llame

[robust osprey]

agreed thats ddumb lord should be ggenderless

I tthought it was

[long bloom]

[real silo]

demon nord

Can't believe they added demon lords from generic fantasy anime

[hollow pivot]

Why not call them something like “Arch Demons” that's cooler.

[robust osprey]

we do not talk about arch demon.

[real silo]

Starch demon

[hollow pivot]

What's wrong with this?

[robust osprey]

it's evil

[real silo]

Says the evil

[robust osprey]

sshut

tthwy don't know I am evil

[real silo]

I know

The knower

[robust osprey]

yyou must be silenced.

oh ggod I ccan't get rid of mmy own typing quirk

[real silo]

Cursed for being too evil

[robust osprey]

mmore like cursed ffor reading homestuck

[compact ridge]

Is Santa canon to the calamity mod

He should be

[robust osprey]

pprobably not

I'm ppretty sure halloween and christmas aren't ccanon

[compact ridge]

I mean he is an NPC and frost legion would be canon right

[robust osprey]

I ddon't think it is

[compact ridge]

Nothing they do breaks canon in anyway so like why not

There just snow men lmao

[robust osprey]

christianity pprobably would

I tthink

[compact ridge]

I mean yeah fair but frost legion is literally jsut snowmen and most of Christmas tradition just comes from various winter holidays that Christians stole from so like close enough

I think Santa should be canon and give Yharim coal

[long bloom]

why /gen

[robust osprey]

idk

it's llike

ttoo cool to gget rid of

it mmakes my text sound ffunny in my head

[hollow pivot]

He actually absorbed the dragon of sleep and became god of holiday.

[long bloom]

[real silo]

yea that's being too evil

[robust osprey]

ok fair

[worldly spindle]

Yharim would… destroy Christmas…?

[compact ridge]

He lacks whimsy ofc he would

[worldly spindle]

Anyways Santa is in Terraria so he’s in Calamity by extension

[compact ridge]

Santa of course is an infinitely respawning being, scaling him above Yharon obviously trust

[worldly spindle]

The only exception I’ve seen so far is Deerclops

[compact ridge]

Yeah crossover content is the only thing that isn’t canon from base game iirc

[robust osprey]

no I'm pretty ssure both christmas and halloween are non canon

[hollow pivot]

Yharim is 100% the Grinch in at least one of the places he destroyed.

[robust osprey]

tthis extends to the post plant mmoons

[worldly spindle]

Why does the mod add content about it then

The post dog essences

[hollow pivot]

I dunno Fabsol?

[compact ridge]

True

[robust osprey]

bbeacuse that is really old I think

[compact ridge]

Do they have bestiary entries

[robust osprey]

and will gget replaced by ssomething els

[hollow pivot]

When was the major lore rewrite?

[compact ridge]

If they do then they’re def canon

[compact ridge]

3 years ago

[robust osprey]

last update bbefore brainstorm

[compact ridge]

Feb 2023 iirc

[robust osprey]

I thikn

[hollow pivot]

Okay Ascendant Spirit Essence's recipe was made Prewrite.

[worldly spindle]

Man

[compact ridge]

Yeah essences are gonna be replaced anyways

Distortion content will take their place

[hollow pivot]

Distortion Update when it comes out eventually™.

[worldly spindle]

I really like how the mod makes you do a detour before Yharim. Post-ML needs more non-boss content.

[long bloom]

non-canon content includes:

• vanilla lore
• crossover content (deerclops included)
• blatant references
• the pumpkin and frost moons
• secret seeds
• solar eclipse enemies
• dedicated content

[robust osprey]

yeah nnot everything in tthe mod is actually ccanon, specially if it's real old stuff

[compact ridge]

Until then SANTAS CANONNNNNNN (unless a dev states otherwise)

Frost legion isn’t the moons

[long bloom]

they did

[compact ridge]

FUCK

[robust osprey]

ssimply do evil2 swap with ssomething else and mmake folly an event

bbumblebird's great ccomeback

[compact ridge]

But folly’s cuter sorry not sorry

[hollow pivot]

What events are canon?

[worldly spindle]

Damn, so you’re telling me the Terrarian doesn’t rock up to DoG with the Corinth Prime from hit game Warframe?

Shame

[long bloom]

everything except the seasonal moons and ooa

[robust osprey]

ok. bbut you know what's bbetter than 1 folly?

[long bloom]

pumpkin and frost

[worldly spindle]

Pumpkin and frost

[compact ridge]

Frost legion isn’t a moon

Santa is frost legion content

[hollow pivot]

Frost Legion does no harm by being canon imo.

[compact ridge]

🤑🤑🤑🤑

[long bloom]

the event is dubiously canon but santa is explicitly not

[worldly spindle]

No whimsy

[compact ridge]

Where is it claimed to be explicitly not I’m curious

[worldly spindle]

ZERO holiday cheer

[long bloom]

dev statements

[robust osprey]

ozzatron killed christmas

[long bloom]

melongun cite my sources

[compact ridge]

Santa has done nothing wrong

[worldly spindle]

Poor Calamitas deserves Christmas

[hollow pivot]

Calamity Devs are the Grinch.

[long bloom]

true

[robust osprey]

ppermafrost is sant actually

he is already old. he just needs to be fat

and wear red I guess

[compact ridge]

Santa is canon but Christmas isn’t trust

He’s just a REALLY big fan of the winter

He’s the only guy who even does this it’s just him

[worldly spindle]

Also solar eclipse not being canon is lame.
You could easily explain it as a physical manifestation of humanity’s fears. The monsters themselves don’t need to have their existence justified in any other context.

[long bloom]

the event and the fact that enemies spawn is canon
the specific enemy types are not

bc reference

[compact ridge]

Solar eclipse enemies are all just cosplayers who follow solar eclipse schedules as a large group

[hollow pivot]

That's why he was in the Crusade for years?

[robust osprey]

I tthink that's what it is

lol

[compact ridge]

I find my theory much more entertaining

[worldly spindle]

I guess Calamity has other monsters in mind

Calamity lore I mean

[compact ridge]

Mothron is canon in my heart bc one of my OCs has a pet mothron

[worldly spindle]

I don’t expect them to replace the enemies in the mod

[hollow pivot]

Or maybe Moon is like evil-ifier for the Sun and that's why it creates evil at night because it has reflected sun light unlike where in the eclipse where it's directly transmitting it.

[long bloom]

they're not gonna

[compact ridge]

Moonlord really likes horror fiction

[hollow pivot]

I mean, is Cthulhu not Cosmic Horror? (I know Fovos isn't Cthulhu btw)

[long bloom]

interdimensional horror

[compact ridge]

New theory, Fovos is a shapeshifter and really likes horror fiction (see the Eclipse) and specifically chose to look like Cthulhu

[long bloom]

also yeah a proposed explanation is that the enemies manifest as your worst fears

but it's yet to be confirmed

[worldly spindle]

Collective unconscious type shit

Like SMT

[long bloom]

pretty sure just your fears specifically
changes per person

[hollow pivot]

Mothron is Queen Bee PTSD.

[compact ridge]

Mothron is an adorable critter it fails at its job

[worldly spindle]

Hence the collective unconscious aspect. It’s stuff that’s common among mankind. That’s why they would show up as popular movie figures.

[long bloom]

true

[worldly spindle]

And they manifest with the lore that humanity associates them with.

[robust osprey]

tthey should add fredy fazbe

[compact ridge]

Post Yharim enemy

[long bloom]

wrong
the lorde april fools sprite

[robust osprey]

wwhat is the lorde april fools sprite

[long bloom]

i was suggesting it be fredy fazbe

[compact ridge]

Bear5 actually

[long bloom]

true...

[hollow pivot]

Yharim5 😨

[hollow pivot]

He's just golden Bear5 with a True Tyrant's Ultisword knife.

[worldly spindle]

Why can’t we put fandom DoG in the game for april fools

[long bloom]

and the titular giant red mane

[long bloom]

your execution is in seven minutes

[worldly spindle]

😔

Was a good run y’all

[robust osprey]

nno

I agrre with fiz

[long bloom]

your execution is in seven seconds

[robust osprey]

you ccan't kill ssomething that ddoesn't exist

[hollow pivot]

I agree with me.

[compact ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tawog-the-amazing-world-of-gumball-i'm-sorry-edit-tawog-edit-gif-3373229155217490030

Wrong chat mb

[hollow pivot]

Embed Fail in 2026?

[compact ridge]

IT WAS THE WRONG SERVER PLEASE DONT KILL MEEE

[hollow pivot]

Xzier, say the line.

[long bloom]

guys what does yharon taste like

[compact ridge]

What

[hollow pivot]

The other line.

[robust osprey]

chikn

[hollow pivot]

Everything tastes like chicken.

[robust osprey]

mmy typing has bbeen slowly deteriorating ever ssince I started reading homestuck

ddon't do it guys

[long bloom]

even if i read it i would simply type normally

[sinful adder]

I literally suggested EXACTLY THIS

It can work like deltarune's darkness. Primordial light defines reality(?) so blocking out the Primordial light makes reality and fiction blend together

[long bloom]

that would make xeroc waaaaayyyyyyyy too powerful probably

[sinful adder]

Well, it doesn't let you define what reality is or isn't, it just separates reality from ideas

But also this perfectly explains why boss rush is possible

[long bloom]

the bosses in boss rush are hardlight constructs

[agile matrix]

xeroc makes a hardlight construct of my mom and does Foul things

[sinful adder]

That doesn't explain why they can like, inflict the same debuffs, use the same elemental stuff. Ect

Xeroc can replicate supreme Calamitas's fire and necromancy, even at reduced intensity

He can replicate exo mechs and their resonance power

[glacial rampart]

Gameplay lore dissonance its not that complicated

Idk if it really even is dissonance

Like I really dont think its a discrepancy to have boss rush bosses

Inflict their debuffs

[agile matrix]

actually i find it a bit bad since most of the debuffs are just uh

-x hp/s

[sinful adder]

Ok but I think this lore explanation is cooler

[agile matrix]

you cooould feasibly replace them with "Lesser/NA/Major/Extreme" Sunscorch.

this would be. cooler.

[hollow pivot]

Terrarian just gets Sunburn.

[split mortar]

PL just can replicate what mana can do it seems

[sinful adder]

I think it's more than that

No one else makes near perfect copies of other beings

[compact ridge]

Xeroc is just that guy trust

[wheat walrus]

when the boss replica is accurate‼️

[sacred pilot]

The Primordial Light in my headcanon is something like the Greater Will and Gold from Elden Ring.

It is what defines and divides things. It is what gives meaning.

[limpid saddle]

I dont know if that interpretation really works

Given it is a primordial force that is actively wielded and controlled

It's very directly tangible, unlike the Greater Will

[split mortar]

Primordial light is sunlight

[scenic olive]

can xeroc bring back my dad or does PL have exceptions

[wanton pendant]

He can make a fake version of your dad, but that won't fill the hole inside your heart.

[timber steeple]

I can bring him back only if he decides to revive, otherwise, gotta let him rest in the Garden

It’s a mutual agreement

[wanton pendant]

Sounds like you're mixing up Nameless Deity and Xeroc.

[timber steeple]

I am both

[wanton pendant]

They are two different characters.

[compact ridge]

AFAIK the only relations between them is that nameless is somewhat based off old lore xeroc, they both dos stuff with terminus, and the primordial light sigil is in the garden

[timber steeple]

Layered reality

I come from the future

Xeroc Prime

[compact ridge]

What the hell are you on

[wanton pendant]

This isn't the roleplay channel.

[timber steeple]

My bad

[compact ridge]

Xeroc also is in their prime as far as we know

[manic coral]

Yupyup

That's literally it

[robust osprey]

yeah thats it basically

or well, nd was based on old lore xeroc before and then evolved into something completly different

so not even that now lo

[robust osprey]

isnt it?

[thick slate]

helloo

[dusk laurel]

hai

[thick slate]

i like eating drywall

[thick slate]

and soap

[wanton pendant]

Ah, an American.

[pulsar ocean]

add an l after s in the word soap and remove the a

[thick slate]

losp

[pulsar ocean]

u failed

[thick slate]

sorry

[pulsar ocean]

reading comprehension at an all time low

[thick slate]

but my money at an all time high

[robust osprey]

steals the entirety of your money

[thick slate]

but my funny at an all time high

[icy veldt]

Sopl

[feral skiff]

why isn’t anyone concerned that some random dude is becoming exponentially stronger in a matter of weeks?

[sinful adder]

People are

Calamitas especially is

But besides her, there's basically no one left alive to care

[magic epoch]

the timeframe is presumably up to you anyways

so long as yharim doesn't fucking die to old man disease

[split mortar]

The lore following timeframe is after yharons dead they kill yharim in under a decade

[dusk laurel]

yharon also is pretty concerned about us growing so powerful, and the profaned guardians ambush the player not really that long after we kill the wounded ml

its kinda hard to see our effect on the world as of now, because well the mod isnt done

[magic epoch]

i think it's not a stretch to say yharim also cares about our power but probably not out of worry

[split mortar]

Same with dog if we moving away from worry

[raven brook]

Most of the post ml fights are somehow related to our power surge

Alot of powerful figures take worry or interest in us because of it

As for the average civilian on another continent, i doubt they'd have any way of knowing, and even if they did, well

what can they do

[sinful adder]

The princess and the kingdom she came from probably have some knowledge

[split mortar]

Theres active celebration each time we beat a big strong thing our power is atleast known on the heartlands quite well i think

[sinful adder]

I would be interested to see a story of how things are over there and what they learn

[raven brook]

thatd be fun ea

[sinful adder]

Makes me think: I wonder who else is out there in the heartlands, and how does news get out?

[dusk laurel]

since theres alot of travelers word would get out that way

[raven brook]

Word would prob get out through spreading of rumours yea

[dusk laurel]

many people wanting to explore the continent after yharim's disappearance or maybe they just want to loot

sadly we dont see any travelers yet besides some vanilla npcs...

[sinful adder]

Ok but

Hmm

Alright you know what, we should get traveling NPCs like the merchant, which give lore

They can show up randomly at a rate proportionally to how many town NPCs you've gathered

[raven brook]

there are plans for more npcs that arent necesasrily major players in the lore and are just guys

like hte cultists and the historian

so those could be fun ways to look into that

[sinful adder]

Huh. Cultist NPC?

Interesting

Not sure we'd get along with them

[dusk laurel]

i think the sunken sea and crags updates would be good candidates for having some traveling npcs

[dusk laurel]

god cultists who would appear after you kill the reworked folly

is the idea, obv not confirmed but yeah

[raven brook]

Not really town npcs

Wandering guys that are cultists of war/dogma

Historian is a town npc tho i think?

These are just ideas not rly solidified tho so yea

[sinful adder]

Interesting

[dusk laurel]

although the crags are kinda literally hellish to be in so idk if theyd just be regular people, if there would be any explorers at all

[thick slate]

taylor town npc when

[thick slate]

yea ill take it

[cedar crow]

I had a thought: If Anahita absorbs an auric soul like Yharon’s, what would happen?

[thick slate]

shed be a god

hope ts helps

[cedar crow]

I saw a plan like that in a recent episode in a terraria boss vs boss tournament series named “Modded Madness” and she just backstabbed one of the commentators!

[robust osprey]

nnot much probly

yyharim would just gget giga pissed

[thick slate]

i think yharim would kill her

[sinful adder]

Yharim would try to kill her but be unable to do so permanently and now the world would have a high chance of being flooded

I wonder if Anahita and Silva can have a sort of truck where the world gets covered in water but still has life in the water. Probably not

[thick slate]

why not

[cedar crow]

Anahita did say she would take the Iilmeran kingdom and the soul’s power for herself!

[thick slate]

did she

[cedar crow]

I mean she did in that “Modded Madness” series I mentioned earlier.

[cedar crow]

Speaking of mind, mind if I put a link to that aforementioned video? Not sure if it’s permissible or anything but I just thought I’d ask.

[thick slate]

speaking of mind

[raven brook]

anahita absorbing an auric soul would be bad news probably given she seems alot more actively malicious compared to like, silva

and you cant really kill her so

its kinda like yharon himself basically

[agile matrix]

what soul would she the most likely to absorb

[raven brook]

if you want

[raven brook]

idt theres a really "most likely" option

it was a question what would happen if she absorbed yharons soul

[agile matrix]

oh i see

[raven brook]

which is the only one left now anyways