lore-discussion

[heavy zenith]

Do we have an ETA for SSO?

[raven brook]

No

Refer to #calamity-update-talk message

[glacial rampart]

SSO some day in some timezone at a point in the future

Amidias with a neutral expression image

[sinful adder]

I thought someone said it will probably be some time later this year?

[glacial rampart]

@sinful adder refer to

[sinful adder]

I see

[pulsar ocean]

Update some time later this year!!!

New lore!!!!

What are the odds it’s the ravager rework!!

[sinful adder]

I was remembering "SSO September October" as a serious thing

[agile matrix]

would draedon emulate emotion if he needs to scare/placate someone?

like would he "yell" if he needed to get someone to stop doing something

[cloud ibex]

probably not

[feral skiff]

“Would Draedon do [X] thing?”
If it was necessary for research purposes, sure.

[feral skiff]

Addendum: He would only do things that are feasible. So no Death Star construction or interstellar travel.

[agile matrix]

okay but like the death star could be really useful in obliterating the astral infection

[feral skiff]

doesn’t it blow up planets?

that would obliterate the entire continent alongside the astral infection

[agile matrix]

you're thinking the small one

i'm thinking of the one in space

if he didnt want the astral infection on Terraria, he'd just clentaminator nuke it

[feral skiff]

oh, riiight

[hollow pivot]

Interstellar Travel isn't feasible?

[feral skiff]

well actually

[hollow pivot]

Do you mean going to different solar systems or just space travel?

[feral skiff]

if exo prisms could be used as an electrical propulsion device, they could accelerate infinitely

[heavy zenith]

Somehow no

[hollow pivot]

So Draedon can do things that are impossible for us but can't go to the moon?

[heavy zenith]

We got robots that can obliterate mountains with their energy output

You'd think right

[agile matrix]

well thats just spinning something really fast

spinning something really fast =/= moving a machination far

[heavy zenith]

I think Draedon mention for the most part that resources were the primary point of space travel no? Also that the transportation of said resources would be very difficult, using the teleporters we use needing wires

As an example^

[hollow pivot]

Only reason I could see Draedon not doing this if it's possible is that he wants to conserve his sea prisms.

[hollow pivot]

But ain't there like a whole country filled with those things?

[heavy zenith]

Draedon: "Tell em to bring out the whole ocean"

[agile matrix]

using our teleporters would need wires, so he's busy developing a wireless transport system

(at least i think so)

[heavy zenith]

Yeah

[sinful adder]

No, he can go to the moon, he's just still working on it

He's working on figuring out how to do wireless teleportation currently

[thick slate]

exo prisms

when they heat up water

and spin a turbine

secrets draedon doesnt want u to know

[olive vault]

So its.. nuclear energy but in steroids?

[thick slate]

no they just emit electrical energy

i lied

would be funny tho

[olive vault]

Also, do we know the form of draedon?

Is he like some kind of humanoid/ guy who just went

Naah flesh is weak?

Because if i remember the one in the fight is like a remote controlled body

[thick slate]

hes a robot

[feral skiff]

artificial intelligence/robot

[thick slate]

p sure he was created by himself

like he was a human

but he awoke as robot in an abandoned lab

[feral skiff]

(not confirmed)

[thick slate]

with a dead dude infront of him

[thick slate]

ik

[olive vault]

I remember when dragonfolly was a clone of yharon

Im so lost in the new lore

[thick slate]

theres a doc in pins

quite a read tho

just ask questions lowk

enough ppl here to answer them

[hollow pivot]

Apparently this concept art of true Draedon is yet to be oudated.
Also he is 100% a machine. Potentially a semi-replicated mind of his creator, but for sure, a machine.

[thick slate]

he just sends drones out cuz why would he risk his own life

when he could spend all day playing roblox or smth

[hollow pivot]

Not like he'd be risking anything because I believe he has backups.

[thick slate]

oh yea 100%

[olive vault]

Okay so calamitas is still like a pawn for yharin right? Or is there some like really big change in the lore?

[hollow pivot]

Though I've never seen this mentioned directly by a dev or the game.

[thick slate]

not anymore

but was

[hollow pivot]

Calamitas left Yharim multiple years before the game takes place.

[thick slate]

shes just a homeless person

[olive vault]

Yharim is still like the bad guy? Or now is like an antihero?

[thick slate]

hes bad bad

hitler

[olive vault]

Nice

What else, ehmmm the dragons, there is still the dragon genocide?

[split mortar]

Code

[thick slate]

yep

[olive vault]

Okay so i think in not that outdated

[split mortar]

Lore got completely rewrote like 3 years ago

[hard steeple]

Draedon is all code?

[olive vault]

Xeroc was deleted?

[split mortar]

No the guy talks in boss rush

[hard steeple]

Or at leastbthebone ebcoutered*

[olive vault]

Damn, like EVERYTHING?

[split mortar]

What

[hard steeple]

Shit I fumbled that hold on

[split mortar]

Even new writers

[hard steeple]

At least the one encountered*

[olive vault]

Finally, no more worms... I hope

[split mortar]

Yes, draedons code that comes with being a artificial intelligence

[hard steeple]

The worms are now in the player's skin

[hard steeple]

AI-generated hyper death plague and super killing robots 🔥

[split mortar]

Fabsol was the one in control of bosses even if 30+ devs all didnt want a new boss fabsol would make one if he wanted

[olive vault]

Aaand what about the servants, are those still like 3 guys under the control of the dog?

[split mortar]

No

Ceaseless void is a portal it cant be subservient to anything due to being object
Signus is completely unrelated to dog not even subservient to DoGs boss
Weaver freaks DoG out and broke out the distortion hivemind

[olive vault]

Whaaat?

[hard steeple]

I love how the squad is just

• A literal portal
• Dog's pet worm that escaped
• some fucking guy

[olive vault]

So now is

I cant close the door to this hole

Jared the guy that nobody invited

The pet

[split mortar]

Reminds me of that meme of every party got the fighter the tank the 7:£38 8:&/]+}**}

[terse moss]

Ourple guys

[split mortar]

Jared is the primordial wyrms fan nickname

[olive vault]

What is s primordial wyrm?

[hard steeple]

The guys behind the slaughter.......

[split mortar]

Teleport in abyss to see them

[terse moss]

I mean probably

definitely signus at least

[hard steeple]

You should try using a RoD in the abyss

[terse moss]

he has totally killed one guy

[hard steeple]

New game theory

Purple guy is Signus

[terse moss]

Technically true

he is purple

he is presumably a guy

he kills people

[olive vault]

So signus is not the envoy of the destroyer now?

[split mortar]

Nope

[terse moss]

nah

he is just some dude from the distortion we know nothing about

he took a guy's arm and leg I think

[olive vault]

Just

Signus?

The purple reaper?

[terse moss]

that was like ... rude, I guess

he isn't very nice I think

[split mortar]

Theres a old dev statement that it functions closer to the entity that is DoGs actual boss

[split mortar]

It was a trade and the guy got replacements anyways

[terse moss]

I thought Noxus was more like a tyranid style hive mind

Super prosthetics

[olive vault]

Thats a shame, ayway, lets continue with the questions

Providence is still a goddess?

[terse moss]

Wasn't the deal to hide him from yharim

[split mortar]

We dunno anything about thr distortion hivemind

[thick slate]

id lose my arm and leg for cooler ones

[terse moss]

yeah

[split mortar]

Yeah of ash

[hard steeple]

If I recall she's a goddess who's waning in power

[split mortar]

She acheived apotheosis by using the dragon of flames soul

[split mortar]

What?

[terse moss]

She is one of the strongest gods iirc

[split mortar]

Yeah

[olive vault]

Are we still using a lot the word profane or nah?

[hard steeple]

Ohh

Yeah the wors profane gave me that vibe

My bad

[terse moss]

behind shakidou (dead) silva (temp dead) and xeroc (the sun)

[split mortar]

Profane is used because she is hated iirc

[hard steeple]

Oh

Do you think one of the guardians only joined with a "I can fix her" mentality

[thick slate]

providence is just lord of the frenzied flame

[terse moss]

Nah they helped her kill teh dragon

they are day 1's

[hard steeple]

Hell yeah

[thick slate]

shes perfect the way she is 😍

[terse moss]

Thats why she is so upset when you slaughter them and parade aorund their corpse

[olive vault]

Maybe i mean in the new lore of the guardians two r like

"She will guide me because the is the light"

[split mortar]

You killed her platonic yuri polycule

[terse moss]

Literally

[olive vault]

Right now im i a run with a friend, we are post dog

[thick slate]

lowk saved her

[hard steeple]

I CAN LET HER FIX ME 🗣️

[plush trellis]

Its kinda ironic that she gets them killed again in her fight

[terse moss]

Nah breakup so bad she killed herself

[terse moss]

non canon

[olive vault]

Also yharon is still like:

Yharim i will help you is you kill the gods?

[terse moss]

Yeah

john le racist

He descriminates based on religious views

[split mortar]

Thats just her using their corpses as batteries squeezing out what power is left iirc

[hard steeple]

And his pet dragon, prejudice

[plush trellis]

I see.

[terse moss]

I think tahts blue providence

you offer the core so she gets that power back

[plush trellis]

The three are brought back without blue providence?

[terse moss]

And the terrarian does this to ... Aurafarm?

[plush trellis]

I have seen them come back didn't know they were corpses tho

[terse moss]

No I meant like in canon

they aren't actually brough back

[split mortar]

They cant be actually alive since thats forbidden with the few rules we know of calamitys magic system

[terse moss]

it just hasn't been changed since the lore changed

[hard steeple]

Nah the terrarian does it out of jealousy that they're lonely

[plush trellis]

Oh

[olive vault]

Are new places or things that we didnt knew?

[split mortar]

Whar

[terse moss]

But yeah, you slaughter the platonic yuri polycule so that you can get some shiny new rocks

[split mortar]

Chrysadia?

[hard steeple]

Calamity tabletop system when

[split mortar]

When you make it yourself

[olive vault]

Me when anahita tells me that she will give me a kiss if i kill yharim

[hard steeple]

I think it would make me sob and cry and other synonym evoking deep despair and sorrow

REAL

Wait no

[split mortar]

She is kyoger mindset why would she give a fuck about piss hitler existing

Also might not be sapient

[terse moss]

This is actually the funiest sentance

[olive vault]

WHA-?

[hard steeple]

Sorry I will not interfere in the fish yuri ❌ I am however a devotee of the mentally unstable traumatized ex-child soldier homeless adult

[olive vault]

XDXDDD

[terse moss]

she is like 28 now

[split mortar]

The sapience of most elementals is questionable iirc

[terse moss]

silva definitely is

Brimmy might be

[split mortar]

Hence i said most

[terse moss]

I think the rest aren't

[olive vault]

So yharim is like a child soldier/big boss/mecha hitler/robo assssins of gods?

Or even worse?

[terse moss]

Kinda

he killed 50% of all people

just like in total

[hard steeple]

"Ah, so not that much older"

[terse moss]

wdym

older than me lol

[split mortar]

Robo assassins?
Yharim isnt a child soldier he used at minimum 1

[hard steeple]

Ywah she's older than me too

I'm just sad that I'm slowly getting there... in uhh

Like a good 7 years

[olive vault]

I remember thar yharim was saved by yharon, is that still canon?

[terse moss]

Bro is >20. Couldn't be me

imagine

[terse moss]

yeah

[hard steeple]

22 in legit like 2-3 months, it's over I'm about to be a fossil

[olive vault]

What about ehmmm

The wyrms, what are those? Dragons? Something like that?

[split mortar]

Yharim is someone so utterly devoted to his beliefs and delusions that despite the fact he had robots and divisions dedicated to burning civilians and groomed a child into wiping a country off the map he still believes he has acted for the greater good of killing all gods iirc

[terse moss]

its too late for you 😔

[terse moss]

offshoots

[terse moss]

everyone knows people only live until 35

[olive vault]

Damn, so he sees us as a threat?

[terse moss]

as a successor

[hard steeple]

I mean to be fair

We do kinda wreck everhthing in our path

[split mortar]

Wyrms, wyverns, basilisks, fishrons, pigrons are all draconic offshoots
Draconic offshoots are dragons born from a auric dragon but dont have any of the special soul stuff

[split mortar]

He manipulating us to be piss hitler 2

[hard steeple]

Actually is the terrarian ability to respond ever addressed

[split mortar]

And he is willing to die for this

[terse moss]

We get demoted to just pee hitler

[hard steeple]

Or is it kinda like just only gameplay

And not in lore

[olive vault]

Something like: aaah you are too strong, you gonna be a problem sooner or later?

[terse moss]

wdym

[olive vault]

Damn

[hard steeple]

Respawn**

[terse moss]

Canonically you never lose once

like Ultrakill

[olive vault]

So, are we gonna do the killing the sea again too?

[terse moss]

you just rip and tear

[terse moss]

nah man its already gone

there is one dude left

[hard steeple]

Hell yeah

[terse moss]

Yeah the terrarian is goated as hell

got as strong as yharim in like a few months or years

less than a decade

[olive vault]

Also, what the f is the old duke? Is something important or i just skip that

[split mortar]

Respawning is impossible with how calamity has it but with terrarian being up to you, technically you can canonise it but good luck getting the “im never dying” power to fit the “shit ends and cant be brought back” setting

[terse moss]

racister jim

[plush trellis]

I wonder if we're ever gonna maul silva. That seems like it'd have adverse effects

[terse moss]

nah, she just comes back

[hard steeple]

The terrarian must break the cycle.... there's only one way

[olive vault]

Yeah, we must kill xeroc? Why, idk, sounds cool

[terse moss]

The terrarian walking up to yharim, with him thinking you are going to agree, just to like blow your brains out right in front of him as he dies of old age

funniest ending

[split mortar]

He is one of the first offshoots born right after the auric souls ran out
Super racist and has a superiority complex and enslaves dragon children iirc

[hard steeple]

LMAO

[terse moss]

He is the first born to not get an auric soul, and is quite upset

[split mortar]

We wont kill xeroc, The Unmatched Power Of The Sun is a bit much for a mountain level at best to kill

[terse moss]

Nah lock in

Just dodge

[split mortar]

Well jared may have been born earlier by like s few seconds we dunno

[hard steeple]

Alcoholism fixes everything (ranger)

[terse moss]

Also just fight him at night

[olive vault]

Yharim like: haha you are following my steps u are a fool
And then he proceeds to explode into a million of auric coins ™

And thats all of the boss fight

[terse moss]

LOL

I can't believe he minted his own currency out of the soul shards of his dead friend to commit to the bit

[split mortar]

Like this aint an exaggeration xeroc can seemingly just bring the sun closer or further away

[hard steeple]

Okay what about the possibility the terrarian and yharim are long lost lovers......

[terse moss]

He can

[olive vault]

Like, yharon drops nuggets

Yharim should drops something like that

[terse moss]

doomed yaoi

[split mortar]

Yharim is too locked in on racistmaxing to care about love

[split mortar]

Only in infernum

[hard steeple]

True, but imagine multiplayer racism

[olive vault]

Try to fight xeroc and then he just throws you the sun

[split mortar]

Also yharon and draedon are right there

[sinful adder]

Yeah. Even if the sun is moon sized

[terse moss]

He flicks the entire sun at you like a hollow purple and you are just gone

[hard steeple]

Yharon is like his bilingual dog and draedon is definitely an ex

These two have exes vibes

[split mortar]

Moon sized ball of primordial light i think might still obliterate the planet tbh

[olive vault]

But infernum died at reach :(

[sinful adder]

Yeah

[terse moss]

Or at least wipe out all life

[split mortar]

Yharon is a fully sapient guy and they are so good friends their souls are in rhythm

[terse moss]

Bromantic genocide

[hard steeple]

Oh shit is yharon the rebound....

[olive vault]

Also is moonlord like the chuthlu here or something different?

[split mortar]

Idk what the rebound is

[terse moss]

fovos but dead as hell

[olive vault]

Imagine that the soul of yharon is bounded to yharim and when you kill one the other dies

So no yharim fight because he dead

[hard steeple]

Essentially like, someone that a person gets with just to soothe the pain of a breakup

[terse moss]

If you destroy or absorb yharon's soul, Yharim isntantly gets springlocked and dies

[hard steeple]

TERRARIAN!!! DONT LEAVE ME HERE!!!!!

[terse moss]

Is Draedon an ace ally or an ace enemy

[split mortar]

Moonlord is a behemoth from the distortion who appeared without warning on the unprepared dragons and didnt even die when thousands of the super special magic dragons jumped him and had to be sealed on the moon after killing their king and an untold number of dragons forever

[olive vault]

Well i mean, the yharim gift is like yharim saying to you

Now u r a big boi

[hard steeple]

I'm just saying if Yharim's eventual theme has any Yharon motif I am standing up mid fight and clapping until I die

Out of peak

[terse moss]

he killed about half (~1500) auric dragons, started the age of ascension or whatever its called, and had anti auric powers

[terse moss]

real

[real glen]

neither
He is somewhere in the middle

[split mortar]

And the scariest part for everyone? Because no one know why or hoe this thing appeared another apocalyptic entity could appear again thats noxus

[terse moss]

He just studies you like a lab rat and is like "hm, interesting"

[olive vault]

I mean, if the yharim fight got a reference for standing here moment of mgr i will cry tears of joy

[terse moss]

The distortion is liek a tumor that leeches resources off the main reality

[terse moss]

TRUE

[hard steeple]

He's an ace experimenter

[split mortar]

Draedon does science so will do either side if it benefits science

[olive vault]

Also rip for yharim stimulants

[terse moss]

Dawg thatw as years ago

that was like 2018

[hard steeple]

Smth like Sam's sword but with Calamitas instead of robot dog

[terse moss]

peak

I need this actually

[olive vault]

Yeah, i didnt play like for that long

Im like updating myself

[terse moss]

fair enough

[sinful adder]

Heh

[terse moss]

Yharim table slam nuke decanonized

[sinful adder]

That's probably what fabsol wanted all along

[hard steeple]

I assume Cal is going to have at least like

Some impact in the lead up to the fight at least

Same with permafrost

[terse moss]

Or you gotta challenge him on the aerie like the radiance

[olive vault]

Rn i have a far better pc and now i can play with all of the mods of the world without exploding

[terse moss]

nice

[sinful adder]

I have this sort of fear/expectation that like...

[hard steeple]

Show up like Kratos

[sinful adder]

The yharim fight will be this sequence:

[split mortar]

I think that fits xeroc better

[terse moss]

true

Yharim is like the hollow knight

[split mortar]

Since the guys The Sun God

[terse moss]

but less decripit

[olive vault]

Me when i hit the table that instakills all of the people in 50 km

[hard steeple]

The terrarian getting into the whole training arc only for Yharim to give him the slay the spire regent stare and hit them with a trillion damage sword

[sinful adder]

Go to subworld through random portal in the sky islands
Do a jungle temple but you go up instead of down
Find yharim
Do draetalk but it's yharim
Fight
Game end

[split mortar]

And also can be felt by everyone on the planet

[terse moss]

pumch

[hard steeple]

Absolute cinema but unironically

[sinful adder]

And like it's the bare minimum for each of these steps

[terse moss]

I want the lead up to yharim to be a sequence

[sinful adder]

Like imagine if it was literally just a gold jungle temple

[terse moss]

Like I want this to be an event

[sinful adder]

I agree

[terse moss]

It will probably be more than just that

[hard steeple]

With the green lizards?

[sinful adder]

I'm worried it won't be that

[split mortar]

We are no longer under the fabsolian entity so i doubt it

[olive vault]

I lile the change that yharim now is like

I wanna kill the gods and i don't care about anything else

[split mortar]

He does dislike slavery

[sinful adder]

I know. It's an irrational fear

[split mortar]

Fair

[hard steeple]

The only problem with a sequence imo would be having it be only a one time thing

[olive vault]

Instead of

Extremely Powerful wizard

T A B L E

[hard steeple]

So other attempts don't take a while

My sorta dream lead-up would be like

[olive vault]

so he no longers enslaved calamitas?

[hard steeple]

All accessories disabled, all items disabled, the terrarian can only walk

[split mortar]

Only groomed her when she was a minor

[terse moss]

I stand by my opinion that gfb Yharim should have a super ultra attack where he hits a table and it makes shockwaves

[hard steeple]

Instead he uses the big boss method

[sinful adder]

Yeah. Now he just gaslight gatekeep girl bosses Calamitas

[olive vault]

CHILD SOLDIER REFERENCE

[hard steeple]

Calamitas is just Liquid.......

[terse moss]

He also chained people up in a prison and killed them if they didn't do stuff, but like never technically enslaved them by name

[split mortar]

Calamitas is the child soldier he used to obliterate a country

[hard steeple]

This would make her canonical british

[olive vault]

The sulphuric sea right?

[split mortar]

Azafures like spanish inspired or smth

[sinful adder]

The sunken sea actually

[terse moss]

I heard someone say she was spanish because azafure is spain

[split mortar]

Sunken sea used to cover most of the underground desert

[sinful adder]

Yeah. The desert was an ocean

It was more sunken sea

[split mortar]

Well not the surface

[hard steeple]

British tourist goes to Spain and scorches it... yep, fitting

[split mortar]

She was born in azafure

[terse moss]

Nah she is a spanish tourist going to central america

so also fitting lol

[hard steeple]

Ah crap

[olive vault]

What about the abyss, are changes there?

[terse moss]

silva is dead as hell down there

[hard steeple]

Just a big nap

[split mortar]

Its an odd place silva keeps on getting dumped in

[olive vault]

God is dead/eepy and went to sleep in the mariana trenches

[terse moss]

A combination of pressure, acidity, and whatever keeps her respawn time to like 80 years instead of like 10

[olive vault]

Understood aaand what about the eidolon guys

[terse moss]

She woke back up, and yharim was just waiting there, bashed her head in, and threw her back in lol

[olive vault]

The ones that look like the cultists

[hard steeple]

She just eats the fishes instead of going back up

[split mortar]

^

[split mortar]

Oh those guys

[terse moss]

she made the fish iirc

[split mortar]

Theyre cultists who turned their body into smth resembling wyrms

[hard steeple]

The cycle, they now feed her

[split mortar]

She just lets them grow bigger

[olive vault]

That explains why those things are in the dungeon

[terse moss]

Imagine spending 80 years climbing out of a whole just for a guy to stand there like " " before bashing your head in and throwing you back in

[split mortar]

Eidolists arent in the dungeon

[hard steeple]

"Truth is, the game is rigged from the start" and Yharim just throws a brick

[terse moss]

he throws the table at her like the eminem meme

an entire mahogany table

[olive vault]

They appear now

[terse moss]

your dungeon might just be really close to the abyss

[olive vault]

Oww :(

[hard steeple]

Hell on earth ngl

[split mortar]

Thats not smth ive seen before whuh

[olive vault]

Also the ravager is still like a golem 2.0? Or is now something different?

[hard steeple]

The abyss causes me to have to resort to weird as hell tactics like pre-ML scoria or ravager farming

[terse moss]

god of sacrifice who was slain, ressurected, ascended a second time due to soul amalgamation or something, and is now the god of sacrifice and blood

[split mortar]

Scoria is post golem

[terse moss]

"pre-ML scoria"

[split mortar]

Its balanced for post golem

[hard steeple]

Yes but it's also in the abyss

[terse moss]

bruh

[split mortar]

Ok? Doesnt affect its progression

[hard steeple]

Astral ore turns into scoria when shimmered

[split mortar]

You are expected to be able to go in the abyss since skeletron

[terse moss]

You would rather beat deus than take a 2 minute detour into the abyss

[hard steeple]

True, I'm just not the best with deep water 😭

[olive vault]

And dog is still like

I am the essence guy, gimme ur essence?

[hard steeple]

I had so many tries where I tried to kill Deus pre-golem before I gave up cause it was a little stupid

[terse moss]

well yeah

[hard steeple]

Pre-golem only cause it'd be funny

[terse moss]

he is post cultist

[terse moss]

true

[hard steeple]

Wait fr?

I always fight him before

[split mortar]

Yeah deus is balanced for post cultist

[terse moss]

I sometime fight leviathan post mech 1 for the leviatitan and community because its more interesting

[terse moss]

yeah he is post cultist

[hard steeple]

Oh that's why Deus takes a while to kill

[terse moss]

yeah

[hard steeple]

Underrated fight still imo

[terse moss]

Doesn't he have more health than providence

because worm

bro is a chonky boi

[split mortar]

The guy gives you fragments and also astral ore requires a ancient manipulator to use in any good amount

[hard steeple]

Because two worms too

[hard steeple]

Yeah to be fair I always just dumped all my astral ore in the shimmer 😭

Except to get the master chief armor

[terse moss]

Wait I just realized is your pfp from signalis

[hard steeple]

🔥

[terse moss]

It makes me sad that lunic corps is worse than just plain astral

[hard steeple]

Its the one image I had on hand like months ago

[terse moss]

my friend played it

he said it was good

[hard steeple]

And I never upgraded cause its funny to just have a literal game screenshot as a pfp

[hard steeple]

It is very good indeed

I need to play it again (I last played it like a week ago)

[terse moss]

💀

[hard steeple]

It looks cool as hell and can tank a hit for adrenaline tho

[terse moss]

Anyway, I will be leaving you all, as I have a class in 6 hours

[hard steeple]

I might get it as a vanity set in my melee run

[split mortar]

Cya

[terse moss]

👋

[hard steeple]

Good night, I should really learn to have a better schedule 😭

[olive vault]

We must sleep

Maybe tomorrow is gonna appear a new update

Or something

Idk

[split mortar]

This?

[olive vault]

XDXDDD

[split mortar]

This is the first/only look at the amidias redesign iirc

[split mortar]

The Hog Is Coming.

[olive vault]

What do you mean a hog?

[split mortar]

The Hog Is Coming Its Judgement Is Soon.

[olive vault]

So new pig?

[olive vault]

And lechonk from pokemon?

It kinda looks like lechonk XD

[split mortar]

-# this just a translation of the arabic im the earlier shitpost

-# atleast think its arabic

[olive vault]

duke Pigron electric boogaloo

Its like duke fishron and old duke

But.... In god form

[hollow pivot]

Are Fishrons the descendant of the Dragon of Frost like Pigrons are?

[long bloom]

yes

pigrons are a weaker variation of fishron iirc

or maybe the other way around

[hollow pivot]

Or is that unrelated?

[long bloom]

old duke won't be a fishron after the rework

also what

wdym has their soul

[hollow pivot]

If I recall correctly the new OD will have Frost's soul.

[long bloom]

source?

@split mortar do you have any idea what they're talking about

[agile matrix]

wdym has the soul of frost

like in a polterghast way??

if he has an auric soul that undermines his entire character

[hollow pivot]

I swear I read a message from a dev about Old Duke possessing something to do with the Dragon of Frost.

Oh wait I remember I mixed up the Mandate of Heaven mb

[agile matrix]

the whom????

[long bloom]

wait the triangle convo?

[hollow pivot]

Yeah I think that was it.

[agile matrix]

i mean to be honest being the son (eldest or not) of the Dragon That Is Cold would probably make you unpleasant to be around

since you probably evolve to be cold (emotion)

[hollow pivot]

Pretty sure it's meant to be physical coldness not mental.

[long bloom]

he said that idea was scrapped 😭

reading comprehension

[hollow pivot]

I probably joined the conversation after that was said because I do not remember that thing being scrapped.

[mighty zenith]

trueigi

[hollow pivot]

Truigi*

[sinful adder]

I still think that's so lame

Like. The entire point of old duke's existence is to be Duke fishron but old and poisoned

It also means that Duke fishron is back to having zero connection to anything. You've just gone and created yet another niche splinter character in the lore.

The fishrons and pigrons need to be tied to something, if they aren't then that's just weird

Especially if they're still draconic offshoots

[mighty zenith]

you just contradicted yourself

duke fishron has no connection to anything...

except he does

because he's a draconic offshoot

meaning it is directly connected to dragons

old duke just being duke fishron but old is a huge waste of a boss

it brings absolutely nothing new that duke fishron didnt already bring

[cosmic minnow]

Plus a boring ai

[agile matrix]

i personally think that duke fishron is like. a mutant

pigs evolved from land, then some tried going into the water, and eventually evolved flippers and stayed there

[long bloom]

no????? 😭

[long bloom]

they're tied to the dragon of frost

as previously stated

[agile matrix]

old duke being an Old Duke but not necessarily an Old Duke Fishron is Interesiting

[agile matrix]

are they?

[long bloom]

they're his descendants

[agile matrix]

is that just a holdover from “they spawn in the infected ice biomes” or is there a good reason

[long bloom]

according to the triangular one

[long bloom]

probably based on that

[agile matrix]

mm

not a fan but sure i guess

now if the ice biomes was originally a really big lake that froze over

THAT would be neat

[long bloom]

all of this also has something to do with mammoths (an idea for frost dragon being a reimagined mega mammoth dragon + future mammoth critter in tundra)

[agile matrix]

creatures that evolve to inhale as much of the limited air as possible

[long bloom]

and elephants are vaguely pig like i guess

[agile matrix]

elephant -> pig is like Yharon -> Cockatoo

[long bloom]

i mean i used an elephant head to make a pig in hero forge once

[agile matrix]

i dont know what a hero forge is

[long bloom]

cool site that lets you customize dnd minis

[mighty zenith]

its basically a figure creator yea

[long bloom]

you can also buy them

i bought one (1) and it broke after like 2 days so i just stick to the digital side

[dusk laurel]

i mean what else would there be, it ties in with what vanilla gave and has thematic reasoning

[pulsar ocean]

There was a dragon of frost?

[long bloom]

yeah

every known dragon and god

[pulsar ocean]

guess it must’ve been weak

[long bloom]

bwuh

if you haven't noticed, every other dragon except yharon is also dead

[scenic yacht]

[pulsar ocean]

Guess they all must’ve been weak

[bitter cave]

My favorite dragon is agnus' very much dead corpse

[split mortar]

Idfk lemme look

[light linden]

y'know

I'm wondering if the god of dogma and/or war had their domain changed after forming the perforators and/or hive mind

[split mortar]

I doubt it, they didnt go under necromancy to take this form that would mean the domains changed naturally

[long bloom]

it's not their actual souls

just consciousnesses

[light linden]

they were also put into a blender with a bunch of other gods

[long bloom]

the souls dissolved

[split mortar]

I mean it is, just in a thousand pieces of goop

[long bloom]

i guess

[robust osprey]

puts xzier in a soup

[long bloom]

true

[fathom locust]

eats it

[light linden]

instead of it being transmutation it's more like putting a bunch of crap in a blender and then expecting the stuff that comes out to be the same

[robust osprey]

the soup was poisonous

[fathom locust]

good thing i have my bezoar

[robust osprey]

it kills bezoar

[long bloom]

acid venom

[patent sky]

What would happen if the ravager rework was just the horrible hog and the horrible hog was the god of sacrifices

[dusk laurel]

😢

Calamity is OVER.

[patent sky]

The hog takeover has begun

[robust osprey]

that would make ravager a post xeroc boss

[patent sky]

Hmm true…

[raven brook]

#brainrot_discussion

[robust osprey]

horrible discussion

[untold oracle]

Lore discussion

[robust osprey]

Léa discussion

[olive vault]

discusion de historia (in spanish)

XDDD

idk how to translate lore to spanish

[split mortar]

Léa channel

[olive vault]

i think they need to add the auric table as a joke weapon for april fools.... old lore reference XD

[olive vault]

leak of the primordial form of the hog

[raven brook]

this chat sucks

[young socket]

this chat hogs

[split mortar]

This hog hogs

[feral skiff]

piggy shall be granted a resprite.
this piggy will live in your walls.
The golden piggy MUST thrive.
A Divine Swine will be allowed into this world.
Also this HORRIBLE HOG is being added.

[feral skiff]

the hogs..

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-kurt-angle-stare-stare-guy-meme-guy-staring-meme-bald-guy-meme-gif-15047706772155378501

you cant introduce jokes to this community

[split mortar]

Casts the sleep beam on you

[raven brook]

what sleep beam brah its not even night

[split mortar]

Also like i feel you weren’t better then this a couple days ago

[raven brook]

doncare

this chat has been nothing but shitposts for the entire day can u guys please stop 😭

[split mortar]

It wasnt there was some convo earlier about dogma and war

[raven brook]

dude yk what i mean

[split mortar]

i feel it just does not apply
Wait you just mean the jokes been done a lot today
Yeah sorta applies then fair

[sinful adder]

Hey lorers

[raven brook]

what im saying is that this chat has just been shitposting ever since today at 2:30 pm

please tone it down

[sinful adder]

What's the fishron lore going to be if they are no longer tied to the old duke replacement?

Are they just going to be an unrelated draconic offshoot with no other ties to anything?

[dusk laurel]

fishrons are still a dragon species that are descendents of the dragon of frost
there is the possibility of something with the fishrons/pigrons of the acid rain but thats not set in stone

[split mortar]

Being dragon offshoot ties it to the dragons already though

[raven brook]

Is the descendants of dragon of frost thing hard confirmed or is it more of an idea

Not that i'm against it i think its cool

[dusk laurel]

id say in between

[split mortar]

Idk

[raven brook]

It's neat to know where some of the offshoots came from

[dusk laurel]

its like theres no reason for it to not be official but theres nothing on it ingame

[sinful adder]

I believe it would be reasonable if old duke was not a fishron but like, a sibling of the fishrons

[raven brook]

i mean its pretty clearly a fishron

have you seen pigrons

oh wait

i misread that

[dusk laurel]

said idea would be when od gets remade ingame, it gets split in half, the half that stays as a boss, and the half that keeps the ancient fishron/pigron ancestor thats a tyrant

[raven brook]

yeah it old duke (the fishron) might become a miniboss

no c onfirmation for anything though

[split mortar]

Dont they wanna have freedom away from fishrons for old duke idk if they would go that route unless im misreading this

[raven brook]

I think it's fine if OD becomes Not a fishron

It gives more freedom when it comes to designing it

[wanton pendant]

A big fish getting split in half? Sounds familiar.

[dusk laurel]

thanks for your input

indont even know what this is refering to 😭

[raven brook]

And i think it's fine to have some stuff that isn't suuper relevant that still has a bit of relevance on the worldbuilding sect of things

Not everything needs to be a the center of the story

[sinful adder]

I was under the impression that they were going to replace old duke with a different, non fishron boss

[raven brook]

They are still

[dusk laurel]

yes thats still gonna be the case

[split mortar]

^

[wanton pendant]

Old lore Leviathan.

[raven brook]

But the idea of a sulphur sea fishron may become a miniboss

[sinful adder]

And I think that's lame so I believe it would be nice for the Old Duke replacement to be related to the fishrons, but not directly one, by them both being descendants of the dragon of frost

[dusk laurel]

theres not really a reason nor need for this

[raven brook]

I'm pretty sure old duke might still be a descendant of john frost but dont quotem e on that

Though why is it lame exactly

Or, why do you think so

Even if they were or weren't related to Dragon of Frost, that isn't really adding much of a narrative importance to fishrons as a species

And i'm not sure why there is a need to do so

It's fine to have minor factions and species and such to flesh out the worldbuilding

[dusk laurel]

it feels like keeping a detail thats being removed just to keep it thematically similar to the original concept

[raven brook]

Mechs, Plantera, Lunatic Cultist and Moon Lord are generally the most story-relevant vanilla bosses id say

With Moon Lord obviously being, The most important

And i think that's okay

Not everything needs to be suuper important

evne alot of calamity's own bosses aren't

[split mortar]

Burn the orphans robot

[dusk laurel]

id compare theidea of the od replacement being in a similar vein to eol where they both can be connected to other parts of the story (the gods and dragons) but arent super relevant to the plot and are moreso obstacles in the terrarian's path if you choose to fight either one

eol you usually knowing kill one of the lacewings and the lotused od youd go on a quest to kill it, the specifics of which are not exactly known

[raven brook]

tbf eol is admittedly not fleshed out at all right now im not sure if shes a good example LOL

im kinda hoping she gets more bc rn she feels very random and not explained much

as opposed ot something like Plantera which even with the little info we have already has a fairly cohesive narrative that makes sense

[dusk laurel]

yeah i agree we kinda get told shes the kid of a god and uhmm

poof

shes dead

[raven brook]

Silva takes Braelor with her as a apprentice from the Vernal Pass, vernal passes need a new Thing to protect them, they make Plantera using magic and souls, it goes rogue and fucks the vernal pass over

Like realistically if we got literally no more info on plantejra it'd be perfectly fine

Sure who knows maye we'll get more details later or something but if we didn't, which, we might not

It's already perfectly cohesive as is

As for EoL yeah we dunno basically anything

she's the child of a god and uhh

Yeah

Why does she attack us, why is she in the hallow, what's up with the lacewings, :idk:

[young socket]

she learned how to use pl!!

[visual kiln]

plpl

[raven brook]

hi azzy

[young socket]

grabs you and shakes you violently

[visual kiln]

hiiii

[visual kiln]

oh why

[young socket]

no reason

[visual kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1428104185852723311/1485452514974503143/watermark.gif

[split mortar]

Profile picture brings violence upon orphanages

[visual kiln]

oh

[young socket]

tupid bunny

[visual kiln]

maybe she just likes lacewings

[raven brook]

pensive

[dusk laurel]

imo a general hallow could be nice cause we could also get some details one eol and also some clues to the gods that got souped into the hallow

[visual kiln]

shes a nature conservationist

lacewings r endangered

[raven brook]

general hallow?

[dusk laurel]

fuck

i cant type

[split mortar]

I thought general hallow god was what she meant

[dusk laurel]

a general hallow miniupdate 😭

[split mortar]

Like war and dogma

Ah

[sinful adder]

general like army general

[visual kiln]

wasnt that gonna happen n then it got canned

[sinful adder]

general hallow

[raven brook]

tbh my issue with that would be the same issue as i have with slime god rn

Such an explanation still ultimately makes the character very morally ??? because they fight us to death and do not attempt diplomacy or dialogue at any point while also dying in the proccess for something that theoretically couldve been easily solved by just Talking

[raven brook]

I don't think so? Unless maybe some ancient eldritch update from 50 years ago

pre-22 mumbo jumbo

[dusk laurel]

i have no idea what the old devteam wanted to do for vanilla biomes

[raven brook]

"slime god attacks us because we kill its slimes" only really works on a surface level

because of this

[visual kiln]

u could change eol's behaviour to fit this motive

[raven brook]

it still paints slime god as kind of a dumbass

[spare pier]

The rewritten Lore item was meant to go into that

[raven brook]

(slime god slander katana man image...

[dusk laurel]

it makes more sense that its because we killed wof but nothing besides sg being a keeper of balance really tells us this

[visual kiln]

celeste pfp

[spare pier]

But EoL is also deceptively simple

[sinful adder]

Slime god should expect the slimes to die sometimes because they're stupid slimes

[raven brook]

yeah if eol had stuff surrounding her that made it make sense

[spare pier]

Like I might as well say it but she is just

[visual kiln]

modify the game

[icy veldt]

Hello there

[raven brook]

but if you just add that motivation rn

[spare pier]

Cuckoo crazy and lost all wits

[raven brook]

you got slime god 2

except not as dumb

you can never be as dumb as slime god

[spare pier]

Since my interpretation of EoL is that she's a comically entitled woman who desperately wanted what she deemed hers

[raven brook]

yeah eoll really needs more stuff ingame rn :shes so nothingburger atm

it would make sense for her to be very vain though

i mean she is called the Empress of Light and is super ornate and flashy

[spare pier]

And when she got that, she took much more than she could handle and went insane because she couldn't handle it

[raven brook]

she does feel like a character that would be very like

vain and holier-than-thou

even just on design alone

[icy veldt]

||I can fix her ||

[young socket]

me eating souls of light everyday to get those GAINS and then i fucking lose my mind

[spare pier]

No you can't

[raven brook]

no you cant

[icy veldt]

Darn

[spare pier]

She's literally just an animal rn

[split mortar]

You can’t fix ravager

[spare pier]

What we can expand on is who she was before that

But the ingame EoL is gone

[raven brook]

Would be funny if she was

literally, yk

royalty

[dusk laurel]

moth princess

[spare pier]

I know it's a bit disappointing that EoL is just

Crazy cuckoo lady

[visual kiln]

isnt eol basically cenx self insert

[spare pier]

But I don't want to add more to our plate

[split mortar]

Queen sectonia is popping up in my head

[spare pier]

So I made her story very self contained and left it at that

We may expand on it if we want

[spare pier]

To some extent I factored that when writing EoL

It wasn't my intention, but I think that viewing what Calamity does to her as a commentary on the way mods can bastardize the main game is interesting

[raven brook]

I mean it'd be hard to really make her much else when she just jumps you and dies ingame without atleast like a complete rework of her fight and behavior

So yeah

[spare pier]

Yeah it's why I didn't really expand her a lot

And also why I used her as a vehicle to deliver how god's children are just

Normal ass people

[raven brook]

found it.

[visual kiln]

oh yay

[raven brook]

HATE this guy i hateee him

[pulsar ocean]

oh hey that’s man

Nvm that’s katana man

[spare pier]

Slime God is the potential everything

Potential God, potential character, potential boss

[raven brook]

MEET POTENTIAL EVERYTHING

[spare pier]

I have several direction I could head with them tbh

They depend on plans tho

[visual kiln]

the sludge

[visual kiln]

what directions :o

[raven brook]

Slime god really dosent have much to it rn besides

• balance equilibrium etc

• the slime god is the god of slimes

SO really yeah you can

take it in

basically any direction

[young socket]

yknow a slime domain has a lot of potential, man

[raven brook]

There's also the aspect of yharim calling it a coward and it running away i guess

It's the only boss that really does that right now

Actively runs away from you

[visual kiln]

i mean

hmm

[raven brook]

which would make it really smart if it didnt just try the same thing again later and then fucking die

[visual kiln]

a rlly funny direction would be making it recurring lmao

[raven brook]

thank you slime god you make yourself so slanderable

[raven brook]

dude what did i DO why do you hate me so much

i killed some slimes man

its not that deep i promise

[wanton pendant]

You must fight Slime God in every biome.

[cloud ibex]

Fight my Paladins

[icy veldt]

Recurring seven or eight times over the entire game, but it doesn't get very much stronger each time

[visual kiln]

what if slime god is just pranking u

[robust osprey]

fight my 8 paladins

a paladin for each biome

[sinful adder]

Did someone say Astrageldon?

[visual kiln]

yeah

[icy veldt]

Me when I encounter the Distortion Paladin: "How did that gooball even get here???"

[sinful adder]

Honestly 8 different slime god fights of increasing complexity would be funny

[icy veldt]

Me when I'm playing EU5 and get an event about the "15th-century HRE Slime Paladin"

[cloud ibex]

"Enter my challenging world of slime and gel intrigue"
"no Slime God"
"Aerie Paladin"
"no Slime God"

[robust osprey]

fire reaction

[sacred pilot]

Playing Dark Souls 3 and getting jumped by the mfing "Slime of Cinder"

[raven brook]

IM GIGLGLING LIKE A LITTLE GIRL

[cloud ibex]

ego successfully boosted

thank you cheese

[sinful adder]

Honestly I would love to have an optional slime boss at every single step of progression

Make goozma real as a secret final boss you can only do if you've beaten every slime boss along the way, and give you a new auric world soul shard as a reward like in hunt of the old god

Since you don't know how to do the ritual it's just a fancy magic lamp

Make goozma sillier. Have slime god go omega slimey and fight you with the seven slime souls

[raven brook]

i dont think that would make like, any sense 😭

Beyond the obvious scopecreep of adding a hidden secret final boss (guh?) it feels very Odd to have just a random one off final boss thats not Yharim or even either of the overarching characters of Noxus or Xeroc but just. some slime guy

And also yeah the auric soul bit just makes no sense in the context of actual calamity lore

HOTOG has it because, well

its not official lol

it dosent matter to em

[plucky juniper]

i think the fact that goozma truthers still show up constantly to this day is testament to the hilarious potential of the most powerful boss being also a slime

like

[raven brook]

i mean yeah its funny

dosent mean itd be good

[plucky juniper]

i get why its not a good idea

but there is something funny about a superboss being slime god but hes not a fraud

[raven brook]

slime god acn't not be a fraud sorry its part of his nature

[wanton pendant]

Perfect Slime God will not get their chance in Calamity.
We will have to wait for Calamity 2: Slime Time.

[raven brook]

slander aside yeah it would be funny

[plucky juniper]

and then remember that somehow this concept of the slime god superboss eventually ended up leading to the creation of Avatar of Emptiness

[raven brook]

i think part of why people get so attached to it is just that lol

haha look guys! the weakest enemy is the strongest one!

#wholesome

[dusk laurel]

does this imply glutton bug post everything superboss for roy

[raven brook]

boar myself

[plucky juniper]

HELL

THE AVATAR EVEN HAS A RED AND BLUE PART

😭

[young socket]

im going to boar everyone

you will all be hogs

[plucky juniper]

this is almost certainly coincidental but holy shit

[icy veldt]

Tbh that kind of thing wouldn't really fit the apparent tone that I get from Calamity: having some silly/whimsical things, but not being a silly/whimsical thing

[plucky juniper]

that said

would it be fine in base Terraria though?

like, putting aside slime god

[raven brook]

I dunno

[plucky juniper]

goozma but he's a terraria vanilla superboss

[raven brook]

Moon Lord is pretty Final Boss to me, i doubt itd really, make sense to have something after

Terraria in general dosent strike me as a game that would have, in vanilla ,a "superboss"

the closest thing to it is daytime empress

[plucky juniper]

i think its possible at least

[young socket]

red self insert

[plucky juniper]

duke fishron for a while fulfilled that role

[raven brook]

Moon lord has a whole other boss and event to buildup

it as the final boss

Not to mention Eye of Chtulhu Brain of Chtulhu and the final boss is suspiciously Chtulhu shaped

Yeah i dont think itd make sense or would happen to have a slime superboss

[plucky juniper]

duke fishron and moon lord duking it out for the hardest terraria boss title only for daytime EoL to show up:

[plucky juniper]

anyhow do you realize how absurd this is

[wanton pendant]

A bunch of bosses either being parts of Cthulhu or replacements for parts of Cthulhu, and the Cthulhu cult, it does make sense for the last thing to just be Cthulhu Cthulhuson himself.

[plucky juniper]

somehow the tiny ball on the left caused a rube goldberg machine of boss concepts that eventually culminated with AoE

[raven brook]

many such cases

[wanton pendant]

You can argue that the choice to name a boss 'Eye of Cthulhu' in Terraria led to the final boss just being Cthulhu.

So, a tiny ball resulting in a boss concept of the Moon Lord.

[plucky juniper]

calling eye of cthluhu tiny is hilarious to me ngl

but not entirely untrue

[wanton pendant]

Sorry I'm six foot it's tiny to me.

[plucky juniper]

every boss other than eye of cthluhu in base terraria is, to some degree, larger than our lovely eyeball

except for the lunatic cultist

[sinful adder]

Yeah I agree. Not actually a good idea for the mod but there is some appeal to it

[patent sky]

Yharim is lucky the dragons stopped fovos

He wouldn’t stand a chance

[tall delta]

what if a blessed being surpassed their god with their own domain

would that make the god a trufraud

[wanton pendant]

I don't think you could access the full power of a domain from a blessing.

[agile matrix]

oh is that why its red and blue

[plucky juniper]

no im pretty sure its due to something sometihng doppler effect

[wanton pendant]

Isn't that for sound?

[warm gull]

im so full of wrath and hatred

[tall delta]

why not though

its still a shard of a god's soul

[long bloom]

source??

[wanton pendant]

Even if that was what it was, it's not the whole.

[tall delta]

providence bestiary im pretty shore

[long bloom]

no

[wanton pendant]

What is this, some kind of Wrath of the Gods?

[icy veldt]

Based

[tall delta]

Or was it providence lore item

[long bloom]

still no

the only blessings we know of come from silva

[wanton pendant]

What about Sea Prisms?

[long bloom]

unknown if that's a blessing

could be entirely different

[hollow pivot]

And it might be an Elemental thing not a god thing anyways.

[hollow pivot]

Because Elementals seem to be able to lose their power as shown with Brimstone Elemental.

[sinful adder]

It's for any wave

The Doppler effect works on light and results in color changes

[terse moss]

Yeah

[late veldt]

what if instead of committing genocide Yharon smoked a fat one

[pulsar ocean]

do you have any proof he didn’t

[compact ridge]

He’s too murdery for that trust

[twilit valley]

Is it possible to have a auric dragon boss fight like an addon just like Wotg maybe call it wrath of the dragons, where you fight all of them as a memory of the draconic era or maybe fight zeratros or yharon at its full power

[eager bluff]

i mean yeah but i dont know if anybody wants to make that

[twilit valley]

Terraria needs more modded dragon boss fights

[twilit valley]

if i learn how to make terraria mods maybe i might do it

[sinful adder]

Making bosses is a lot of work

First you need to learn the basics, then you need to learn how enemies that already exist work, then you need to understand basically all of them so that you can understand how to do better than them

[twilit valley]

Ah yeh true

[long bloom]

1. yharon is at full power
2. there were thousands of dragons, way too many to fight at once
3. one of the main points of the story is that the other dragons are completely 100% gone forever

so yeah you could i guess but it'd contradict the lore

[pulsar ocean]

Who cares

[twilit valley]

Maybe only the important ones XD we can fight… i meant as a memory of them

[pulsar ocean]

We have goozma

Goozma contradicts the lore but he’s cool

[twilit valley]

like relive them

[pulsar ocean]

All of them were weak

[long bloom]

yeah not happening

[pulsar ocean]

Except zeratros

[twilit valley]

yeh sadly

[twilit valley]

like Maybe post yharim in the future at least

[pulsar ocean]

Dragon of gluttony was like pre king slime

[long bloom]

i'm not saying it wouldn't be cool
that's a whole new sentence

i'm saying it wouldn't fit the lore

because this is lore discussion

[pulsar ocean]

Boss rush vs every auric dragon and all of them are Betsy reskins

[twilit valley]

I meant not retconning their extinction instead what if theyre echoes or reconstructed memories maybe after yharim or noxus fight in the future

So lore facts would still remain intact you know

[twilit valley]

Nah it has to be a masterpiece like DoG was and maybe some inspiration from placidusax of elden ring i imagine

[sinful adder]

Boss rush doesn't contradict the lore, it can be like that

[sinful adder]

Lore writers have stated that the average auric dragon was probably about as strong as plantera. Many levels above an ordinary person, but many levels below the strongest beings that exist

I would consider that to not exactly be weak, but this is of course relative

[real silo]

echoes...
reconstructed memories ....

[hard steeple]

Some kind of... imitation perchance?

[plush trellis]

Isn't slime god pre WoF tho?

And slime god absorbed dragon of gluttony soul

[pulsar ocean]

Yeah

The gods are usually stronger than the dragons they kill

After absorbing their soul

[plush trellis]

I see.

[long bloom]

i'm aware

[hollow pivot]

So Slime god is going to be about average auric dragon level after he swaps with Cal Clone?

[hollow pivot]

I guess that makes sense since Slime god is like the most bland god that we know of.

[fathom locust]

slime fraud

[hollow pivot]

The Sliming Fraud?

[sinful adder]

I guess so

[terse moss]

The average auric dragon being called clone tier would be tragic

No wonder fovos slaughtered them

[hollow pivot]

Also what's the goal of the Slime god assuming it didn't lose intelligence post-Ascension?

[sinful adder]

Balance nature or something

[terse moss]

I think it’s bringing balance to the environment

[hollow pivot]

To be fair, these are above average animals that were given less than .1% of the World Soul.

[terse moss]

I guess

But like

Holy fraud watch

Maybe random civilians can kill dragons

[hollow pivot]

Fraud Ultrakill reference?

[terse moss]

YO

[hollow pivot]

Pretty sure the average “Hero” was EoC to Evil1 level according to the trustworthy Yharim.

[terse moss]

Zeratros single handedly holding back the fraud allegations as yharon gets aliens out after doing nothing for a thousand years (second strongest dragon)

[terse moss]

Right so like 10 could take down the average auric dragon

20 if you want to be sure

[sinful adder]

...no

The average auric dragon was plantera level

[terse moss]

20 EoC level characters could totally beat cal clone

[hollow pivot]

That's not exactly how it works.

[sinful adder]

Not Cal clone or slime god level

[terse moss]

Still

[sinful adder]

No they really couldn't. Try that in game, even without multiplayer scaling

[hollow pivot]

Like, 20 guys with shivs can kill a regular guy, but what about the guy with a machine gun? They technically outscale him.

[sinful adder]

Maybe 50 could

[terse moss]

That sounds really fun honestly

The only issue is flat armor

[sinful adder]

They don't, because power levels aren't additive

[terse moss]

I am also assuming no multiplayer scaling

[hollow pivot]

I'm saying that technically they'd be more powerful than the guy with the machine gun but they still lose because machine gun.

[sinful adder]

Even in real life, something like a 10% difference in physical strength equates to like double the chance of winning for the stronger one

[terse moss]

Idk, get 20 decent players with star cannons and you could totally win

[sinful adder]

I'm saying no they actually aren't stronger than the guy with the machine gun

[hollow pivot]

The dragon would be bound to notice at some point.

[hollow pivot]

It's not very common to just have 20 heroes who all live in the same area and know where a dragon is and how to jump it.

[terse moss]

The dragon would also be a lot smarter than Plantera, which would really help it

[terse moss]

True

But you get like 500 basic archers and it’s wraps

[hollow pivot]

Also more mobile.