lore-discussion

[long bloom]

or the bestiary is wrong

[hollow pivot]

What?

[agile matrix]

the bestiary has not been wrong ........

[hollow pivot]

The Bestiary is never wrong.

[agile matrix]

it being wrong exactly once sounds wrong in of itself

wrongception

[long bloom]

i agree

[hollow pivot]

Yeah someone should probably remember this conversation to ask a writer or 2 later.

[agile matrix]

okay someone do the math

we start in 1887

ilmeris is in 1872

[hollow pivot]

That's not it.

[agile matrix]

no im trying to see

where we're missing

[hollow pivot]

Yes we just need our ducks in a row hastily.
We should probably lay out these numbers so we can calculate easily.

[agile matrix]

the order of operations is

ilmeris is incinerated. flatly. its not there anymore.
permafrost leaves
yharim notices, calls cal
calamitas goes there, also leaves
ends service after nearly a decade, we say 9 years

does she leave after that?

[long bloom]

calamitas didn't come back after freezing permafrost

that's when she left

[hollow pivot]

Calamitas leaves after Permafrost and then goes on her Zuko-esque redemption arc.

[hollow pivot]

Now let's get dates including Azafure.

[agile matrix]

we start in 1887
she was indoctrinated shortly after incinerating the place at a teenager, any number from 13 to 17

she is now 28 years old

her service lasted 9 years on approximate

illmeris was 15 years ago

[hollow pivot]

Where does it say she's 28 years old?

[agile matrix]

multiple sources

[long bloom]

devs

[hollow pivot]

I see.

[agile matrix]

not really a thing in game "hey terrarian im the ripe age of 28" gives the wrong vibes

ANYWAYS

[long bloom]

she was like a preteen when recruited iirc

[agile matrix]

it says teenager

[hollow pivot]

Then the bestiary's wrong or inprecise.

[long bloom]

oh fucking

bestiary again

[agile matrix]

fuckin

thingy

okay so

[hollow pivot]

This is my mental state after going in circles for the fifth time.

[long bloom]

well i vaguely remember a dev statement or related saying she was 10-12

so idfk

[hollow pivot]

Is Syrup a writer?

[long bloom]

i think?

[hollow pivot]

Syrup just got online.

[long bloom]

@west plume hjelp

timeline not mathing

[west plume]

hello

[hollow pivot]

Scroll up.

[long bloom]

also
the introductory doc says she joined at 11 so

[agile matrix]

azafure is incinerated when she's 13-17 years old, she gains power (scal bestiary)
she is indoctrinated very shortly after (scal lore)
she starts service, does a buncha Sin
during that time, ilmeris is burned, sometime 15 years ago
permafrost and scal both leave, marking scals thing ending at 9 years (approx)
we start in 1887, scal is 28 at that time

[hollow pivot]

Head Bestiary entry that's causing the issues.

[agile matrix]

scal cannot be both 28 and also have been a teenager when indoctrinated

[long bloom]

i think that's because it's based on my timeline, but it was fact checked right??

[west plume]

i am a programmer and i talk to lorewriters a lot. let me search dev server

[hollow pivot]

gandalfreading.gif

[agile matrix]

or scal cannot have been a teenager at indoctrinated and incinerated ilmeris 15 years ago

[hollow pivot]

found it

[long bloom]

either there was a strange length of time between ilmeris and her leaving, ilmeris wasn't actually 15 years ago or the bestiary is wrong

[agile matrix]

the bestiary being magically wrong for specifically two entries BOTH relating to scal would be

demonstrably horrid to consider

alternatively, time just fucking froze for 5 years

[long bloom]

it's the same entry

but yeah

2 things in the same entry

[hollow pivot]

At least this one seems accurate.

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

but that

thats

not

15 years

no?????

[long bloom]

so the bestiary's wrong

[agile matrix]

fuckin

shitbox. im using Yharrock next time

[solemn jungle]

Is there any place I can read about the lore? I just finnished the mod but I can't pinpoint everything in my head lol

[agile matrix]

check pins

[hollow pivot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LKTHNV3OpIQ88dozfzQhTvEylV1qzzwQeAsW77wf74c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[agile matrix]

lore doc 2 electric boog

[hollow pivot]

A lot of lore is only stated in the Discord so I don't blame you for not understanding the lore.

[long bloom]

yeah that's 10-12 years

[agile matrix]

throwin damn zoologist into the sol

[hollow pivot]

StickerBoard what are you talking about with this “Yharrock”?

[agile matrix]

theres been plans to put the lore items into a rock

[long bloom]

the stone phone

[agile matrix]

you talk to the rock

yeah

[hollow pivot]

Dang we really letting anyone get lore atp.

[woeful hatch]

Rocksapp

[agile matrix]

no its the same lore

just a more reasonable thing than "ooo strange whisper"

[woeful hatch]

Distone

[west plume]

where r u guys getting the cal timeline date hard numbers

[hollow pivot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LKTHNV3OpIQ88dozfzQhTvEylV1qzzwQeAsW77wf74c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[solemn jungle]

How many pages? Excuse me?

[long bloom]

my timeline which was based on dev statements and extensive math, then implemented into the introductory doc which was fact checked by writers

[west plume]

Fact checked by real calamity lore writers

i c

[hollow pivot]

How many people wrote the Bestiary?

[solemn jungle]

Oh wait, I thought there would be more... but it's still a lot

I was scrolling to see how many and thought I wouldn't reach the bottom

[hollow pivot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DgyreCi8fGco8QiFhKHH8rIo_wHplhthdq08ro_SK9o/edit?usp=sharing
Here's the reference doc with a compiled list of most key in-game lore.

[solemn jungle]

There's a lot of discord screenshots tho...

[west plume]

is that supposed to be the contrast?

[woeful hatch]

Wdym the contrast

[hollow pivot]

I think the name color is just meant to show who it's referring to.

[solemn jungle]

There's a lot of raw material in the first doc you sent me

[hollow pivot]

Unnecessary but alright.

[hollow pivot]

Well it's pretty much a compilation of Calamity's whole public plot and world so.

[sinful adder]

This gives us a new problem

Why do we have the yharim phone rock

[solemn jungle]

Whenever I finish reading the lore, is it fine if I add to it with the raw material I got a glimpse at? (The screenshots lol)

[long bloom]

you find it on the ground

[hollow pivot]

Uh it's Xerock's old phone.

[long bloom]

that's it

[sinful adder]

Hmm

[solemn jungle]

As a fanfic ig

[sinful adder]

Weird

[hollow pivot]

Why not have Xeroc materialize it in front of you?

[long bloom]

@west plume did shakidou and ravager happen the same year? bc that's what the timeline says apparently even though i didn't do that

[west plume]

I Don't Know, and honestly I can't find a well maintained timeline in-dev

I think I'm gonna pester the lorewriters to maintain one in the lore repo

[long bloom]

yeah that's why i made one

history repeats itself

[hollow pivot]

I think a timeline is really something that should be in order.

We dedicated like an hour to finding out how Calamitas' timeline worked.

[west plume]

i think the current hard numbers are Bad because they're uncoordinated

will include it in what i bring up

[hollow pivot]

Fair point.

[long bloom]

i agree

[hollow pivot]

Perhaps a rough time line saying only the order of events and not the time could work better.

[west plume]

i agree, and that's what i have in-dev somewhat

[hollow pivot]

But Dev-things so.

[long bloom]

note:
the year numbers in the timeline with ~ are not exact and are just a general timeframe
the years without it are either directly confirmed in game, by dev statements or with irrefutable math

[west plume]

i think the separation is kinda rough between in-dev and exposed media. the lorewriters are working on a canonical version controlled corpus of cal work and deets though so it'll be solvable Soon

[long bloom]

thank god

[plush trellis]

I do wonder if yharim is literally speaking to the terrarian in lore or if they're more like scrolls

[long bloom]

he's talking to you in real time

[hollow pivot]

What is controlled “corpus” and “deets”?

[plush trellis]

I see.

[hollow pivot]

It's just Yharim talking to you.

[hollow pivot]

He literally responds in real-time to some.

[west plume]

the lorewriters are creating a git repository containing all of the currently accepted, maintained and well-known lore, stories and facts about calamity, interconnected with wiki links in between and labeled as private and non-private

the corpus (or entire breadth of work) of deets (lore documents)

[sinful adder]

I wanna know more little details of the world and the various cities/kingdoms

[split mortar]

Been reading for a fucking while and only at this far 😭

[agile matrix]

okay so im not insane and time froze for five years after permafrost and scal left

(we’re missing five years)

[west plume]

i agree

[agile matrix]

how did we get here

[split mortar]

What

[agile matrix]

all i remember is my curiosity at yharim being apparently shameful at “forcing” scal to do stuff

[split mortar]

Your melongun is showing

[pulsar ocean]

hi melon gun

[split mortar]

Hi kozz

[long bloom]

i hate writing

[agile matrix]

i love idea crafting but loathe writing it out

i wrote a really good gorilla story when i was younger

i remember that

[wheat walrus]

tung tung tung sahur

[wheat walrus]

@long bloom シーエル・テンガル DO NOT 👎

[fathom locust]

👎

[wheat walrus]

[zenith geode]

how does triple t fit into calamity lore

[wheat walrus]

T

[pulsar ocean]

T

[cloud ibex]

no

[pulsar ocean]

damn feds

[feral skiff]

if calamitas said this to yharim, would she be murdered

[wheat walrus]

yharim would uhhh

no clue blud

[pulsar ocean]

Yharim is unc

He wouldn’t get it

[wheat walrus]

lowk

[patent sky]

everyone knows that Xeroc is actually triple t

[willow wharf]

she would not say that 💔

[patent sky]

Draedon to Yharim: "Triple T is quite amusing. Have you indulged in such whimsy my dear?"

[split mortar]

Yay it gone

[brazen tangle]

i want to check something how do you all imagine the DoG speaks

like how his voice sounds

[random mulch]

raspy and always like it has a shit-eating grin

[agile matrix]

yknow the really smug egg from that one goobsmooch on youtube skit

like that but if the egg was a chicken and the chicken was a lizard and the lizard was DoG

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith hey you have a moment?

[cosmic zenith]

I do

[cloud ibex]

adam smasher from cyberpunk edgerunners

[light linden]

how old do you think the average godseeker knight was?

[cosmic zenith]

Average? In my personal opinion, in their early 40s

[light linden]

you and syrup have wildly different expectations then lmao

they said they thought most were 100+ and loaded up with an ungodly amount of prosthetics and performance enhancing drugs

[cosmic zenith]

I went light on the tech upgrades

[light linden]

e.g.

[split mortar]

Difference between average and max…

[light linden]

the one in my add-on kinda isn't light by necessity

[cosmic zenith]

I still think they wouldn't be near 100

[light linden]

you remember the lore I told you about for them?

[hollow pivot]

What Addon?

[light linden]

add-on I am making

talked about it here a few times

[cosmic zenith]

With extensive use of enhancements, I'd put average Godseeker age at around late 50s to late 60s

[light linden]

its main content is this and two bosses

said godseeker knight post prov and an astral infection boss post dog

[cosmic zenith]

Not enough

[brazen tangle]

kinda sad nobody shares my crack headcanon that he has a completely inexplicable texan accent

[light linden]

basically they got their legs seared clean off by the profaned guardians

they have prosthetic legs now

[hollow pivot]

Are they based off of different Dragons' and gods' Auric or just Yharon?

[light linden]

?

auric is auric

[spare pier]

Marking this as the average is wrong imo

[hollow pivot]

Average age for godseeker knights might change throughout the war.

[spare pier]

Unless you're considering all of the younger ones just died

[light linden]

but uh

at present the armor sets I am planning to make an auric version of are plague reaper, wulfrum, and omega blue

I am trying out the other classes in full playthoughs to decide what I wish to turn into auric versions for them currently

[hollow pivot]

I think you should remember that as Yharim's empire grows he'll get more soldiers.

[west plume]

i dont think most

i meant longest lived

average would be way younger as the empire grew

[light linden]

I guess I misinterpreted then

sorry

[pulsar ocean]

did people in the yharmy see yharon as yharim’s right hand or as his pet

[hollow pivot]

Prolly depends on how much Yharon speaks.

[spare pier]

Definitely his right hand

[normal mantle]

Is providence wearing some kinda armor or is that her whole body

[dusk laurel]

her entire body

[brazen coral]

that’s her body

she’s rocks

[versed owl]

What is Yharim's end goal, like why did he start the war and what is he trying to accomplish?

I'm having a hard time finding a complete answer in lore items.

[brazen coral]

He wanted to kill the gods

All of them

[green prairie]

Kill all gods and avenge the Auric Dragons

[brazen coral]

That’s it :)

The gods got their power by killing the auric dragons and stealing their soul

He found that abhorrent

[versed owl]

Doesn't seem like an antagonist then... Or is that just me?

[green prairie]

noble goal, awful execution

Yharim's killed a lot of innocents in his warpath + he's straight up genocidal (+ Yharon too)

[brazen tangle]

he killed indiscriminately and killed many civilians as well

also a lot of his victories just resulted in more chaos like the corruption/crimson and ravager

[real glen]

Its peak
she rocks

[versed owl]

Yharon mentioned him being in a depressive state in the song? Unless the song isn't canonical?

[brazen tangle]

i mean yeah, his empire has crumbled and he gets to watch as the world is made worse directly as a result of his actions

[versed owl]

Ah, yeah I can see why that would be painful.

[dusk laurel]

it crumbled because he left on his own terms to the dragon's aerie

[dusk laurel]

depressed that he couldnt kill the remaining gods (especially the first god)

[brazen tangle]

oh, i assumed it was because he lost so many important ties and due to general approval of him going down as his mistakes became more apparent

[dusk laurel]

and his allies left him after he antagonized them (permafrost left because he ordered calamitas to boil ilmeris, calamitas left because he told her to kill her mentor/parent (permafrost) and also because she regretted blowing up places like ilmeris, etc etc)

[versed owl]

May I ask who the first God is?

[real glen]

Xeroc

[brazen tangle]

xeroc, the god of light

[versed owl]

Got it, thank you.

[brazen tangle]

he kickstarted the entire auric dragon genocide by absorbing an auric soul after moon lord initially attacked terraria and killed the dragon of light

[dusk laurel]

xeroc is the god of primordial light, the first to become a god after absorbing the dragon of light's soul after the invasion of terraria by the moon lord, he's the main target of yharim as he (intentionally or not) kickstarted the end of dragon society by causing people to learn that they could kill dragons and absorb their souls

[hollow pivot]

If a god lets the power change who they are on the inside, it will change who they are on the outside is a way of summarizing it.

[dusk laurel]

i would recommend checking the lore doc in the pins if you would want to learn more about the lore, although keep in mind that some of the information has not been added ingame yet due to reasons (development not putting the lore as a focus for a while, the mod taking a while to update, lore being revealed recently, etc.

feel free to ask more questions if you do have any

[versed owl]

Thank you so much yall are awesome, I saved both of the docs but don't always have time to read that much, gonna try to make time though.

[raven brook]

Busy with dnd rn so wont talk here

Wnated to say tho

[patent sky]

go back to dungeoning your dragons cheese

[raven brook]

thank you vanillin you are breaking the curse and actually doing a very good job at explaining things

yay!

anyways, back to dnd

[normal mantle]

That was like the most indirect answer possible 🫩

[hollow pivot]

👍

[dusk laurel]

[patent sky]

Aw she’s smiling!

[split mortar]

Vanillin teach me your ways of communicating properly.

[pulsar ocean]

i wouldn’t have explained it better

[dusk laurel]

idk...

[pulsar ocean]

How do you talk so good

[real glen]

wish I was good at english more

[dusk laurel]

i think its a mix of my social anxiety and trying to explain things well so its helpful (the google docs...) and also cheese pointed out months ago that we suck at explaining things coherently to new people

[icy veldt]

Learn Latin That's what had made me start caring about improving my English abilities

[heavy zenith]

So did the obsidian towers with breakables and stuff belong to the demons? Or the pre-Azafurian settlers?

[dusk laurel]

the obsidian towers are the settlements of demons from what i remember

[heavy zenith]

👍

[pulsar ocean]

I always explain coherently

[dusk laurel]

there have been some ideas for the devs to add more structures in hell for non-demon and non-azafurian humans but it isnt guaranteed to happen, felt like this might be helpful to point out if it does happen tho

[pulsar ocean]

For whom then

[dusk laurel]

afaik nothing has been revealed publically of who they were for (i should probably have checked what stip said when he showed the scrapped builds before sending this)

okay so i checked and this seems to be the only thing thats been said #calamity-update-talk message
BUT. do not take any of this as finalized info thats definitely making ingame since its not certain if any new structures will be added to the underworld

[feral skiff]

CALAMITY LORE EXPLAINED
25% in-game
50% lore document
25% dev statements that have only been said once and may or may not be accurate

[dusk laurel]

thanks

[wanton pendant]

100% Bloingus.

[dusk laurel]

wow i wonder why this is

its almost like calamity has had a tumultuous development period and the story wasnt exactly a thing that was prioritized and the sunken sea update kept being worked on despite not many people wanting to work on it and this extended the period where the devs just kept making things that wasnt the update and it prevented most things from getting ingame so the writers instead chose to say it here because it was taking too long

[dusk laurel]

judging by whats been said here by some devs it seems that the next major update is gonna have a decent amount of lore content

[split mortar]

Oh?

[dusk laurel]

oh and also brainstorm released so like half of the things that werent ingame now are

[dusk laurel]

stip has been grinding and researching alot from what i know

[patent sky]

Horrible hog

Is coming

[dusk laurel]

no

[real glen]

lore folks eating good in next update

[dusk laurel]

thats definitely not the next big update 😭

[patent sky]

Yes it is

[patent sky]

I have this image to prove it

[dusk laurel]

it seems more likely its the minor update between now and the next big update

[patent sky]

Perhaps

But he is coming

[dusk laurel]

especially since we were explicitly told we werent gonna be told what the next big update is

[dusk laurel]

can we please not bring the cut brainrot here... it kinda buries actual conversations really quickly

[patent sky]

I cant remove it on mobile fuckkkk

There we go

Sorry vanillin, that wasnt my intention

[dusk laurel]

its fine dw

[plucky juniper]

splendid image

[cosmic zenith]

It will likely happen

Just not sure when

[wanton pendant]

Finally, Crimsafure.

[patent sky]

That would be calamitous

[noble falcon]

What did you say
Say that again…

[wanton pendant]

One might call it cataclysmic.

[heavy zenith]

Catastrophic even

[robust osprey]

what an infernal situation

[long bloom]

this is a catalyst for something horrible

[real glen]

hog

[wanton pendant]

Here.

And here.

[quiet coral]

thank you

[raven brook]

Y'know i will says

something i've thought about

it's really weird tier 2 is rusted

all the others make sense

i guess it could be "rusted" in a more aesthethic sense, like its color is rust brown

which makes sense actually

so nvm

[wanton pendant]

It was originally rustic, because Draedon loved the aesthetic of the wild west or something.

Totally true, trust me.

[dusk laurel]

i mean we have no idea what material "white" is actually made out of since uelibloom is thankfully being casted into hell

[wanton pendant]

It's made of white.

[dusk laurel]

wwg is made of sin.

[raven brook]

given the possibility of the distortion being available immediately post ml i can see it being made of distortion materials

after all draedon did have, even if limited, access to some of em

and i feel the 4th tier of arsenal would be rare enough where he wouldn't need to make them super often

[dusk laurel]

ykw youre true thats possible i never thought of that maybe im a bad person

[raven brook]

reserved for high up army members which there probably wouldnt be that many of

[west plume]

yharim's end goal is the death of all gods, yharon's is the seizing of all things taken from dragon birthright

[wanton pendant]

Does this mean I can become the President of the United States?

[dusk laurel]

sure

[wanton pendant]

Great, I'm renaming H-E-Double Hockey Sticks to H-E-Double Gun.

[versed onyx]

Yharon, the Dragon of Gaslighting

[paper latch]

dog gave himself that name right

whats dogs purpose

is he like

just a worm

thats so dumb

[zenith geode]

slurpy straw

[paper latch]

literally

[long bloom]

ok can you stop calling things dumb when you don't have all the context

[paper latch]

no like

it IS dumb literally

i just read the lore item

and its just yharim shitting on him for being a bad teammate

[long bloom]

not all lore is in game

[paper latch]

thats true

i meant that the idea that he was just a worm was dumb

like

lore should be clearer

cuz so far it just sounds like hes just a worm

nono, a COCKY worm

[long bloom]

it's heavily implied he works for noxus

[paper latch]

wha

noxus still exists?

[long bloom]

yeah

[paper latch]

wait wait

leme read lore doc

[long bloom]

yharim is skeptical of his allegiance, and suspects he has a different master

he says he destroys the godly essence he consumes, but that violates the laws of thermodynamics

draedon studied him and found absolutely zero traces of godly essence in his body, meaning it has to go somewhere else

presumably to noxus

also he really hates storm weaver even though it's seemingly just a wild animal

possibly because it escaped the control of noxus, and dog wants to punish it

@paper latch

[paper latch]

Oh

[paper latch]

god

damn

i take it back thats interesting as hell

thank you for said information

[long bloom]

and we still don't know where dog came from
he kinda just showed up one day with a suspiciously perfect solution to yharim's problems

[paper latch]

i assume he escaped noxus control like you said

noxus has something to do with the distortion i assume

[long bloom]

storm weaver is the one that broke free of the hivemind

the hivemind that noxus controls

[paper latch]

this can be also guessed with noxus's old sprite

althoughhh its like

very old

so obviously not rly reliable information

[paper latch]

he shares a similar palette to the devourer of gods

[long bloom]

yeah that sprite is fucking ancient

[west plume]

he is a sky serpent covered in armor and he likes to eat gods and does not like the other thoughts

[paper latch]

very true 🙏

[fathom locust]

his purpose is to be evil

[long bloom]

✅

[paper latch]

yee but maybe the lore behind it is similar

since both share similar palettes

and i assume the distortion would also be purple

[long bloom]

i highly, highly doubt it

[paper latch]

but thats a wild assumption

[west plume]

purble place

[paper latch]

hhhdhhsfh

place with rocks and like

1 boss

wait how about ceaseless void and signus?

[west plume]

i believe DoG has a personality but it'll have to wait for distortion update to show it off

[paper latch]

indeed

[paper latch]

maybe they had a similar past than storm weaver

[west plume]

nope

[paper latch]

oh!

i was gonna say maybe that explain cosmic worm recipe

their items attract the devourer

[long bloom]

the sentinels have been demoted to the distortion trio

[paper latch]

because he hates them and wants to kill em

[long bloom]

no affiliation with dog

[west plume]

cv is a Doorway. it doesn't have thoughts and was placed there to be a two way entrance

[paper latch]

ohh

[long bloom]

yeah cv is literally just an inanimate object

and signus is off doing his own thing

[paper latch]

wb signus?

[long bloom]

eating limbs and such

[west plume]

signus is a separate guy from the distortion

[paper latch]

ohh

[west plume]

he likes lowballing offers

[paper latch]

why is he a sentinel of the devourer tho

[paper latch]

thats even worse than eating limbs

[long bloom]

he's not

that's outdated

[paper latch]

ah

[plucky juniper]

the real issue is that sentinels of the devourer, as a group, isnt canon

anymore

[west plume]

^

[plucky juniper]

the sentinels are no more more

[paper latch]

ohh

why does cosmic worm need their materials?

[west plume]

we haven't reworked it yet

[paper latch]

ohh

oh right distortion

ok makes sense

[west plume]

the eating limbs part was apart of the lowballing offers

signus took as much leverage as possible in that offer

[long bloom]

i guess you could say it cost statis an arm and a leg

[paper latch]

why signus took that offer tho........

[west plume]

no, signus Made that offer

signus made it because there was profit to be gained from a sneaky deal in a cornered market

all there is to it

[paper latch]

eating limbs for cash

[west plume]

your network is your net worth, as they say. if you want a better deal talk to another extradimensional salesman while you're trapped in a strange different reality

[long bloom]

[paper latch]

[raven brook]

You should see my thoughts on devourer and why its such an asshole

I'm gonna go to bed in a bit but hold on let me see ifi can find it

tl;dr dog is such an asshole and likes feeling in control for compensation that its literally just a tool made by noxus to fullfill its purpose and who has literally no control over its own existence within the distortion, terraria essentially serves as its personal playground/power fantasy

founf

ok bed now

[terse moss]

is there any concept art for Xeroc's post-ascension form?

[agile matrix]

not enough caverns

also not enough orange, blue, and yellow/black im not sure

[long bloom]

if there is it's not public

[sinful adder]

Ok wait I know this is a joke but like. Why does signus want limbs

Does he just like collecting them

Or hurting people

[cedar path]

maybe he's arming himself against Noxus

[long bloom]

it may allow easier possession

idk

[agile matrix]

physical sacrifice

then again why would he give an arm to statis

[hollow pivot]

How strong was Statis?

[eternal veldt]

Please devs let us save silva and get her as an NPC!!!

[long bloom]

strong enough to doomguy the dungeon

[hollow pivot]

Which Dungeon?

[long bloom]

the dungeon

[hollow pivot]

Was this before or after Polterghast?

[long bloom]

dunno

[hollow pivot]

So this guy might be Lunatic Cultist level?

[long bloom]

maybe

also note that when him and braelor are fighting at the same time, they're stronger than yharim

so yeah

[hollow pivot]

I thought Braelor was at the same level as Yharim?

[long bloom]

that would be obscene

[hollow pivot]

How strong was Yharim prior to his Draedon Enhancements?

[long bloom]

strong as scal or all 4 exos

[hollow pivot]

How much power do gods draw from their devotees?

[long bloom]

as far as we know, 0

1. never said to be a thing
2. nobody knows xeroc exists and
   look at them

[long bloom]

given that's literally never come up anywhere else i'm gonna say yharim's bullshitting

[hollow pivot]

Yharim would probably say this to motivate the Terrarian to kill god followers.

[long bloom]

true

[hollow pivot]

Perhaps Yharim is referring to military power in the way that she amasses many loyal soldiers but the wording implies otherwise.

[long bloom]

yeah that's definitely confusing

will look into it at a later date

[crystal pendant]

The power of yaoi

[agile matrix]

like ender dragon crystals

it makes so much sense

[long bloom]

[sinful adder]

In order for braelor and statis to be stronger than yharim combined, they each have to be at least half as strong as him

[split mortar]

Hey chat, not gonna backread tonight

[sinful adder]

Combat strength isn't like... A linear progression thing, so most likely they're both about as strong as the player with godslayer/Silva gear

[split mortar]

Braelor was carrying between the two iirc

[agile matrix]

isnt bro a medic

[split mortar]

No?

[agile matrix]

he's like a paladin dnd

[split mortar]

According to a dev statement at one point he was physically stronger then yharim

[agile matrix]

he's bulky and can i think heal people of Wounds

[split mortar]

Lemme find it

[sinful adder]

The devs also often say that people underestimate statis between the two of them

They're close to equal

[agile matrix]

i mean me personally i hear "ninja" and think "this guy will die if i sneeze on him"

[split mortar]

Statis was fast and stealthy enough to kill a lot of people in the dungeon before they could know what was happening iirc

[eager bluff]

yes

difference in specialization

[split mortar]

Nvm disregard that brain made shit up

[hollow pivot]

What if the power is like 25:75?

[split mortar]

Thats a fucking three times power difference between braelor and statis what the fuck

[eager bluff]

statis is far less defensively equipped than braelor because his modus operandi is winning before the fight actually began

[sinful adder]

Power doesn't work like that. Someone's who's like 10% weaker gets beat with no difficulty. The difference is always within like a percent or two in an even fight

[eager bluff]

whereas braelor probably cant move super fast because his whole thing is that he just fucking kills you if he hits you

[split mortar]

Also true

[sinful adder]

Basically they each have to be at around 90% of yharim's power or better

You can see this in game with armor upgrades. A 1 tier upgrade difference makes a huge impact in your ability to beat a boss

[hollow pivot]

So together they'd be like 180% the strength of Yharim?

[sinful adder]

Combat ability doesn't add linearly. 90% + 90% = 110% or something

[hollow pivot]

I see your point even if the numbers are questionable.

[sinful adder]

Yeah the numbers are made up estimates to get the point across

[west plume]

powerscaling is pointless

[split mortar]

No Not really

[pulsar ocean]

but everyone likes powerscaling

[feral skiff]

was Yharim’s goal always about killing the gods? with the leverage he had, the guy could’ve gone for a world conquest, which surprises me because a whole empires was under his command

[long bloom]

yeah

[split mortar]

yeah kill all gods

[feral skiff]

no secondary goals or objectives? nothing?

[split mortar]

everything else done was to serve this goal afaik

[feral skiff]

bro was out for blood since the beginning.. crazy

[split mortar]

yeah

[mighty zenith]

yea thats kinda the point

he's delusional

[errant yew]

does yharim want to be stopped or why hasn't he interfered with anything that the terrarian is doing ?

[robust osprey]

beacuse he wants YOU to be Yharim2

[long bloom]

he wants you to continue the crusade

[errant yew]

erm

but like

[long bloom]

he spends the entire game gaslighting you into becoming his successor

[errant yew]

there arent any gods left no ?

[robust osprey]

The Sun.

[long bloom]

slime god, ravager, providence, xeroc:

[robust osprey]

you gotta kill The Sun.

[wanton pendant]

There are, you literally fight some of them.

[errant yew]

i mean yes

but like

[robust osprey]

to be fair 3 of them die ingame

[errant yew]

after we defeat yharim

there is not point in continuing no ?

[wanton pendant]

There are still more gods.

[robust osprey]

The Sun.

[wanton pendant]

And he wants them dead.

[long bloom]

there's a few stragglers in hiding

plus xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Also Xeroc.
One of the two big reasons the Crusade is impossible.

[errant yew]

why doesnt he just do it ? he's still powerful enough no ?

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is too strong, Silva can't die, the rest are too good at hiding.

[long bloom]

not to beat xeroc 😭

unmatched power of the sun

[robust osprey]

how do you think fucking slime god out of all gods is alive

[errant yew]

also is xeroc holding back during our with fight him ?

[robust osprey]

bro is fast, clever, sneaky

[wanton pendant]

We haven't fought Xeroc yet.

But when we do it would only be a sparring match.

[errant yew]

isnt xeroc nameless deity ?

[long bloom]

wrath of the gods isn't canon

[wanton pendant]

No.

That's not even from Calamity.

[long bloom]

also no

[errant yew]

or should i not take that mod as canon

[long bloom]

different characters

[wanton pendant]

That's a fanfiction at present, in the future it will be independent.

[long bloom]

anyway
yharim is also super fucking old and won't be able to hunt every last one before he dies

• slime god and provi are way too slippery

[errant yew]

dont we kill both of them

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

But Yharim couldn't do it in 106 years.

[long bloom]

slime god gets trapped inside queen slime

providence only fights you to the death bc you killed the guardians

[errant yew]

also can noxus defeat xeroc

[long bloom]

she wouldn't have done that otherwise

[long bloom]

extremely unlikely

[robust osprey]

the yur...

[wanton pendant]

Noxus is weaker, but we don't know enough about it.

[long bloom]

once again, unmatched power of the sun

[wanton pendant]

Maybe it has Xeroc Repellant.

[errant yew]

man i wish wrath of the god's was canon

[robust osprey]

god no

that makes goozma canon too

[wanton pendant]

It has very little to do with Calamity.

[robust osprey]

😨

[wanton pendant]

Goozma isn't in Wrath of the Gods.

[robust osprey]

there are references to goozma

[errant yew]

its in hunt of the old god

[long bloom]

aoe and nd would completely destroy the lore

they're too strong

[robust osprey]

as in it Exists

[errant yew]

i mean

isnt xeroc stronger than them ?

[long bloom]

no??????

[wanton pendant]

No.

[errant yew]

gang

[wanton pendant]

Nameless Deity is God.

[robust osprey]

mm yes we have The Sun who is continental level and then we have boundless characters.

[long bloom]

bro nd is basically god from the bible

[errant yew]

i give up 😔

also @wanton pendant is daedauls still a scientist

[wanton pendant]

Daedalus isn't real.

[errant yew]

i remember reading about it

a few years ago

oh

when did the lore change ?

[wanton pendant]

A few years ago.

[long bloom]

february 2023

and yeah daedalus isn't a character anymore

[robust osprey]

I killed deadelus

[long bloom]

to get up to speed on the new lore, i recommend reading the google doc in the second pin @errant yew

[errant yew]

✌️😔

[split mortar]

Wrath of the gods stuff is so disconnected from calamity lore they are making the mod not even an addon for calamity iirc

[errant yew]

😭

[icy veldt]

Goozma balls 💀

[split mortar]

Like
Nameless and aoe are universe stuff meanwhile calamity barely goes past the planet in what it explores

[wanton pendant]

0 connections to Calamity.
0 things to do before the post-game.
7 lines of Solyn dialogue.

[patent sky]

Nd and aoe arent even from basecal so it dont matter

[split mortar]

Also true wotg isnt even official

[feral skiff]

“okay I just installed Wrath of the Gods”
“where’s the content? nothing changed”

[patent sky]

Nothing happened

[inner pasture]

🤔 So... The world had a soul. That soul was shattered, and the dragons found the fragments, allowing them to claim their domains, right?

[split mortar]

yeah

[inner pasture]

What if... human + world soul fragment

With this, I'm questioning whether, for example, if Xeroc had absorbed a fragment of the world soul, he would be more or less powerful than his rise to power after absorbing Zeratros?

Perhaps he is less powerful, because by absorbing Zeratros he not only absorbs his domain, but also the dragon's soul.

[patent sky]

That is a good question

The question needed to answer that one is: Did the power of the world soul rise or fall after becoming an auric soul?

[split mortar]

you become a person with an auric domain and auric soul

[split mortar]

zeratros soul was injured by ml so id bet a bit stronger if its the same pl shard zeratros absorbed

[split mortar]

domains are the main benefit, absorbing a normal soul just gives you a slight mana boost and not much else iirc

[patent sky]

It would be cool if there was a way for the terrarian to absorb part of an auric soul thats not just the auric armor and stuff from yharon

Or at least I hope that stuff gets reworked

[split mortar]

they wont have us able to become a god

[dusk laurel]

closest thing would be like the sacred strawberry

[split mortar]

yeah

[patent sky]

I want to become more than a god… Some kind of… Nameless Deity

I want a jared mount

He will be my steed

[inner pasture]

And wouldn't it be possible for a fragment of the world's soul to be divided among several people? Granting them dominion, but in its inferior form, like the imperfect ascension of several gods in the game.

[split mortar]

whar, the imperfect god ascension changes the domain it doesnt split the domain into multiple bits

we dunno what is up with the auric soul shards so we dunno if whatever the dragons did could split the shards or not

[inner pasture]

According to my logic, since the soul of the world was once a single entity, and it fragmented, how many fragments could have emerged from it? Apparently, there were hundreds of Auric Dragons.

And each of those fragments could give a dragon a domain, I suppose.

Wouldn't it be logical for those same fragments to be divided into more pieces? Perhaps the domain changes in each piece, but in something related to its main domain; for example, fire = heat, ashes, embers
Or maybe it simply changes completely each time the domain is broken. But I mean, hundreds of fragments are already a lot. What could the limit be?

I'm letting my imagination run wild xd

[split mortar]

upper limit is 3K dragons btw

did not mean to send yet oop

[inner pasture]

Woah

[wanton pendant]

For all we know the fragments could have been in the smallest increments possible before being unusable.

[split mortar]

we lack a lot of info on the apotheosis ritual but considering gods tend to be equal or stronger then the dragon i doubt the domain is broken off since well thatd result in a weaker god imo. ofcourse we working on basically pure theorising and headcanon with how little info we got

[wanton pendant]

You would probably be something similar to what Xeroc and Silva are, so still a god.

[split mortar]

doubt it, dont think perfect ascension gives you an auric soul

[inner pasture]

I love this lore so much and how much we have to theorize.

I was asking about the fragments mainly to see if it's possible to create super-gifted humans without them becoming gods.

[cloud ibex]

i mean

yharim

he's not a god and he's the strongest being in the world other than noxus and xeroc

[split mortar]

they wouldnt be god since thats a thing that ate specifically auric soul not just someone with a domain

[wanton pendant]

World Soul shenanigans does result in gods, the gods are just using an already processed version.

[wanton pendant]

Of course, they'd technically be a dragon.

[split mortar]

NO?

they would be an auric human, dragons arent dragons due to being auric

[plush trellis]

Auric dragons still look like dragons tho

The offshoots are dragonlike too

[wanton pendant]

That's because the offshoots are dragons.

[split mortar]

the offshoots look like dragons due to being actual dragons, the terminology is weird when not looking through the perspective of a in universe character

[inner pasture]

But he has a connection with Yharon... And I suppose he also received training through the cult of dogma?

Or can someone tell me how a person, whether from Azafure, Ilmeris, or the Vernal Pass, can become immortal (but it doesn't age, that is, it can be killed) or something like that? I need an excuse for my roleplay... As close to the canon as possible

[split mortar]

permafrost has a technique that lets him live multiple centuries longer then he should out of raw skill with ice magic

[wanton pendant]

You can freeze your body partially to live longer.

[inner pasture]

But my idea is that the protagonists live a very long time without needing to be frozen or trapped in a clam... for example, from the time when Chrysadia didn't even exist (I don't remember if that was the name of the islands that the storm dragon helped lift into the sky).

[wanton pendant]

We don't know if Vetrasyl did that.

So around before the year 309?

[inner pasture]

I think so, I should study the lore chronology more.

[split mortar]

could be some extremely skilled use of life magic if you dont want to go the half frozen ice magic route

[split mortar]

theres a timeline in the introductory doc

[wanton pendant]

Modern day should be aroun 1887 based on data.

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message this

[wanton pendant]

So your guy would be over 1500 years old.

[split mortar]

nearly triple draedons age damn

[wanton pendant]

Which is like, older than all but one god.

[split mortar]

?

[wanton pendant]

Silva.

[split mortar]

oh right

jane probably billions of years old

[wanton pendant]

Probably longer than a dragon's lifespan too.

[inner pasture]

I wanted to create an excuse using fragments of the world's soul, granting them immortality as their only ability. But these same protagonists would remain ordinary people. Like a "miracle"

But they too would experience all the misfortunes of that cruel world, and their personalities and skills would develop over time. Even at some point encountering the Terrarian, with him as their guide, as a united people.
I even wanted to adapt the Terrarian as a being who also obtained immortality, but unlike the rest, he had the best training.

[wanton pendant]

World Soul fragments don't grant immortality, though. Unless you're Yharon.

[inner pasture]

What about the fragment of life? The crumbs of the fragment of life

[wanton pendant]

If that grants immortality, we don't know.

Since the already immortal Silva got it.

So unless she's now Sun Wukong, we wouldn't be able to tell.

Also, the Dragon of Life could die, since, well, it's dead.

[inner pasture]

Could Silva grant immortality? Or an object blessed by her?

[split mortar]

Dragons and gods do age just like dozens of times slower or smth btw

[wanton pendant]

We don't know, but we can kill something blessed by her.

[split mortar]

We dunno what she can do beyond buff things real good
So possibly?

[split mortar]

They mean the ageless type iirc

[wanton pendant]

And we do know that domains aren't literally unlimited in their power.
For instance, Yharon can only resurrect Auric Dragons.
They're still extremely powerful, I think the idea is it makes using the domain basically free, no mana cost and such.

[inner pasture]

Sure, I just need the immortality of not aging, but still being able to be killed, to make it a bit more logical and not so "Well, just another broken character"

[wanton pendant]

Robots.

[inner pasture]

Impossible :( I want to portray them as people who didn't even know each other and each survived the misfortunes of their respective areas. Azafure, Ilmeris, Vernal Pass... So they must maintain their original race

[wanton pendant]

Well, two of those had a human population.
Ilmeris, I feel probably didn't have many humans.

[inner pasture]

Nah, it doesn't have to be 100% human. Ilmerian is fine too.

[wanton pendant]

Ilmerians also weren't just seahorses I think.

[split mortar]

Vernal pass was rather recent i think

[split mortar]

Yeah theres jellyfish people and anglerfish people as well

[wanton pendant]

Ilmeris also became a unified state after the gods came about.

[split mortar]

And was also p recent to have been obliterated by scal since she is only in her late 20s

[inner pasture]

Yes, I'll make up an excuse for Vernal Pass. Like one of those isolated villages, which at some point gradually began to develop that place next to Silva.

[wanton pendant]

It lasted long enough to have seventeen kings.

[inner pasture]

Or rather, at least where they saw Silva most often. Taking advantage of the benefits of the elemental goddess of life.

[split mortar]

Oh wait they gotta be as old as the place yeah thats more an issue

[wanton pendant]

Azafure also took advantage of Silva while she was in the Abyss pre-becoming a goddess.

[pulsar ocean]

d

[leaden bridge]

this one year fables anniversary, let's do a recap of all fables lore and the way it differs from calamity's:

1. Fish

[split mortar]

Hatsune teto vs kasane miku

[wheat walrus]

siffrin vs calamity mod

[split mortar]

If its during the timeloops its impossible for calamity to win since, timeloops

Otherwise siffrin probably loses to like the first boss

[wheat walrus]

i see

[split mortar]

The king prob a better question since technically the guy can like oneshot any boss due to brain blast and time bullshit but also isn’t all that durable for cal standards

Well scals shield prob protects from both actually

[versed owl]

What physical feats does Yharim have? Does he have any? I understand that he's powerful but like, how much. What are the gods that he is killing capable of? What is himself capable of?

[cedar path]

blew a huge hole in the jungle lab

[split mortar]

Yharim is stronger then any god but xeroc
He did cause the whole in the jungle lab in one punch out of anger at the plague existing

Going by dev statements (hell torture) he can cleave a city or mountain in one hit

[cedar path]

okay that sounds ridiculous and I don't remeber any dev statements saying that

I do remember reb talking about him being able to punch a person clean through the aerie

[wanton pendant]

In the past he and Yharon defeated the God of Emptiness.
The God of Emptiness could probably do some cool stuff.
Like... uh... depression blast?

[cedar path]

I think it was reb, might have been stip

[split mortar]

This was back when she was writer

Want me to get more?

[cedar path]

notice does not mention "one hit"

still insanely impressive

[split mortar]

Another

[wanton pendant]

I mean, technically anyone could cleave a mountain if we allow you to hit it like, a lot.
It's called a pickaxe.

[versed owl]

Yharim out there slaving away with a pickaxe lmao

[crystal pendant]

Smushed by king slime instead of boilder

[patent sky]

What if levi is actually tyrian

Think about it

[split mortar]

Honestly, we see stars vanish in sunlight so i wonder if spells are either made extra durable during day due to that or one of the first spells a mage learns is how to cast effectively magic sunscreen over something

[pulsar ocean]

idk

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc gets jealous.

[plucky juniper]

i reckon it probably has NOTHING to do with magic and stuff, its probably just the same reason why stars dont show up in daytime aside from our sun

because the sun just outshines literally everything else

[versed owl]

Did Yharon saving Yharim heal any of the wounds he wouldve received from being thrown into the lava, or is he horribly disfigured under the helmet?

[wanton pendant]

He claims to have been scarred.

[split mortar]

Even if yharon saving yharim and attuning did not heal yharim which i doubt
The guy still had draedon and other healing magic, if he is still disfigured it would not be enough to affect his actual combat performance
Ultimately the devs dont plan on showing us anything under the helmet since its meant to be up to us

[wanton pendant]

But it was also 106 years ago.

[patent sky]

He prolly left just enough for aura farming

[versed owl]

I'm going to confidently assume it's a Darth Vader type thing just for fun.

[split mortar]

Aight

Valid

[versed owl]

Thank you

[split mortar]

No prob

[sinful adder]

Given the technology and magic available at the time I'm going to assume it was like a less extreme Darth Vader thing

[light linden]

scars tend to not heal well

especially burn wounds

[sinful adder]

Yharon was a mage and could use healing magic. He'd be covered in burn scars for life, but internal damage would be less

[light linden]

mmm

problem

do we like

ever see healing magic in game outside of potions?

[dusk laurel]

relic of convergence and some lifesteal weapons

theres also abunch of healing accessories

[sinful adder]

The nurse is probably magic

Actually I think it would make more sense if she used some sort of highly specialized potions that get injected directly

[dusk laurel]

oh right the guardian healer literally exists i was only thinking of items 😭

[split mortar]

Dryad has the healing aura buff i think

[dusk laurel]

its literally ingame and even if it wasnt itd be weird to assume it doesnt exist just because you havent seen or remembered it

[split mortar]

Also like
Life shards

[dusk laurel]

^

[split mortar]

Dryads are specifically people who use life magic as well iirc

[dusk laurel]

yeah so like, thats multiple reasons why yharim could easily just get rid of his scar

[split mortar]

Or just get draedon to make new skin

[dusk laurel]

that too

[split mortar]

The robot could make a robot nanoplague i imagine a healthy layer of skin would be easy

Before being kicked

[dusk laurel]

i dont know why theres this idea draedon specifically cant heal a scar its really arbitrary and i feel like people only think about it this way because they want a reason why yharim cant get rid of his scar

[young socket]

heres a reason

yharim likes the scar

simple as that

[split mortar]

Yeah thats
Not a can’t
Thats a won’t

[young socket]

a physical representation of your defiance against the gods sounds cool as fuck ngl

[split mortar]

Yeah im not denying yharim wouldnt have scars for reasons

Just

He can get rid of them

[dusk laurel]

yeah thats such a better reason than trying to justify it not being possible

[split mortar]

Its an active choice to keep them

[split mortar]

[light linden]

life magic isn't just healing

[hollow pivot]

Yharim is probably like Zuko where he keeps the scar to remind him about his goal.

[sinful adder]

Getting rid of scars is difficult in real life but yeah they should be capable of doing it

[split mortar]

Its gonna be like the main application people think of though since
Life
If it cant do the healing just call it something better like biomancy or smth similar but doesnt have the connotations to it

[hollow pivot]

He has the greatest wizard (Permafrost), the greatest scientist (Draedon), and a guy who can literally revive the dead (Yharon), he could definitely heal the scars if he wanted to.

[patent sky]

Wulfrum drone exists too

Yharim probably wanted to save at least some of the scarring for aura

[hollow pivot]

I don't think Yharim ever shows his scars.

[patent sky]

Or “To remember what he’s fighting for”

[hollow pivot]

I just said that. #lore-discussion message

[patent sky]

Oh lmao

[dusk laurel]

mhm

[patent sky]

I didnt read up tbh

[patent sky]

Does the horrible hog oppose Yharim? I’d like to think they’re on two different ends of the evil spectrum.

[west plume]

probably, but the scars don't provide significant disability and act as propaganda all on their own

[hollow pivot]

Horrible Hog is working with Old Duke.

[patent sky]

Horrible hog is the old duke rework

[hollow pivot]

Old Duke is the Horrible Hog.

[west plume]

the guy can't Sweat but he's wearing his own tomb of dragon-blessed armor 24/7 and can instantly show everyone the exact reason why he hates gods as soon as he takes off his mask

[hollow pivot]

The Horrible Hog is Old Duke with an Everstone.

[hollow pivot]

Imagine if Darth Vader had his limbs and didn't need his suit to live.

[west plume]

yeah

like that

[patent sky]

I’d imagine he looks kinda like movies deadpool

[hollow pivot]

I imagine Darth Vader Angry Bird.

[patent sky]

Angry birds oppose bad piggies…

bad piggies… horrible hog…

[west plume]

also he's been scarred up for like 100 years and it's unlikely anyone will recognize him without the burns

Imagine going up to all of the sick nasty ultra-scarred damn near suicidal brutes that make up the Godseeker legions and revealing that after all of this time you now have a perfect complexion because you opened the empire coffers to have Draedon perfect cosmetic surgery

[patent sky]

Lmao

[wanton pendant]

"Godseekers, after spending our entire GDP for three years, I have achieved this."

[patent sky]

Draedon would give me all the hrt I need, but also probably something else to make it worth his time

[wanton pendant]

You would get hormone replacement.
Just not the ones you want.

[patent sky]

He’s not a genie

[west plume]

he would give you all of the hrt you need, exactly what you want. sadly, by the end of the trial you have been entirely mechanized

[patent sky]

Wait I could leave my flesh?

[wanton pendant]

"I wonder how much of the human body I can replace with lactose before it stops working."

[patent sky]

He’s probably never given someone hrt

He’d want to see how it affects the human body

[wanton pendant]

*With them knowing about it first.

[patent sky]

Prolly yeah

But like, I’d probably be an interesting specimen

[wanton pendant]

There's probably a bunch of guys and gals Draedon has replace the hormones off. He's got all kinds of hormones, and some of them do NOT like the human skeleton.

[split mortar]

Ok cave johnson

[west plume]

the hormones are easy to acquire/synthesize and i'd like to imagine they come free with draecorp employment

[hollow pivot]

Do you think Yharon has a massive stash of loot from the raids like Smaug?

[wanton pendant]

They're not mentioned in the contract, though.

[west plume]

def

[hollow pivot]

And Yharim goes Scrooge McDuck and swims in the platinum.

[west plume]

the issue is mostly a matter of when your soul is going to inhabit a machine

or when your body will be used to incubate a new organic specimen

[wanton pendant]

That promotion was discontinued after issues of 'free will' and 'independence' arose.
Now, you can have your soul removed from your meat puppet! 104% efficiency gain!

[plush trellis]

Are soul infused machines atleast partially biological?

[wanton pendant]

*Note: Loss of free will is guaranteed.

[patent sky]

I’d be an eager intern for Draedon, I LOVE science

[wanton pendant]

The chest bursting xenomorph kind of incubation, I fear.

[wanton pendant]

I guess?

[patent sky]

I think the chance is low enough to take the risk

[split mortar]

That would mean demonite, hallowed and crimtane are all partially biological

[west plume]

i don't really know. i always imagined it as having everything that makes you You forcefully ripped out from the shell you inhabit and being placed into a new, unfamiliar vessel

[wanton pendant]

Draedon will make Umbrella look like a paragon of workplace safety.

[plush trellis]

I see

[plush trellis]

Being a crimtane pickaxe sounds like torment then

[wanton pendant]

And then given a rocket launcher arm.

So it's a pretty nice deal.

[west plume]

being the crimson sounds like torment

[split mortar]

Being a god essence biome sounds like torment in general

[west plume]

Very unsafe. You will be fitted with an arm designed to do one specific task at one specific draecorp facility

[wanton pendant]

Aw man, I don't want to be the Implant Chest Bursting Parasites Into Prisoners To 'See What Happens' Robot robot!

[icy veldt]

I wish I could do that to my enemies

[sinful adder]

I don't think draedon would have enployees

Humans make really bad robots

Actual real robots are better for mundane labor

He probably would work with human scientists as like, colleagues for doing high level stuff, experiment design, maybe oversight

[split mortar]

Dont the labs have things that talk to employees for safety

[sinful adder]

Yes, but it doesn't actually make sense for him to have done that

[dusk laurel]

he did infact have employees back then

[sinful adder]

Also the lab dialogue (and design) is pre rewrite

[split mortar]

Wrong the labs got remade in bs

[sinful adder]

It was one of the last old lore things introduced if I remember correctly

Huh?

[plucky juniper]

honestly i think its fine if draedon has employees

[west plume]

metarex completely remade the labs and they got added in brainstorm, yes

[sinful adder]

Oh interesting

Oh right I forgot that

[plucky juniper]

he is working for an army, and he does seem to like expounding on his knowledge

[sinful adder]

Ok but the dialogue is old

My issue with it is that the vast majority of work he would want done are things he'd be better at making robots to do

[west plume]

draedon can't yet make a perfect engineering or research agent that isn't based on a human and his in-game escapades are meant to interact with flesh and blood humans

the labs do feature mundane robots for mundane labor but they were designed for usage by human scientists

[sinful adder]

Yeah that's what I meant

[patent sky]

Draedon is struggling to find out what exactly the indomitable human spirit is and causes it

He knows its there

[sinful adder]

The brute work could be done by robots, but human employees acting as scientists and sometimes test subjects make sense

[west plume]

yeah

[sinful adder]

Him having some employees makes sense

[west plume]

draedon does currently have in-game labor automation for small tasks

[feral skiff]

Breaking news: smartest researchers in the world still cannot figure out the nature of consciousness.

[split mortar]

Particles just be shmoovin

[icy veldt]

Just gotta stick robot stuff into their brains to make them better-coordinated

[icy veldt]

Alcohol (Source: My body is more ethanol than water. My response time has slowed so much that it's wrapped around, letting me notice things before I can see them. I am driving down the freeway so fast that my 1872 Drakoneez Paladin's fancy digital speedometer has run out of room for digits on its display. I plow through the limits of space and time, crash into the Dragons' Aerie, and turn Yharim into a pulverized mist of blood, ash, bone, and small bits of Auric metal)

[patent sky]

Terrarian driving in their car while yharim runs

[feral skiff]

if someone drove a car at 10,000 miles an hour, I think yharim would not survive

[vocal kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-runs-through-car-gif-3197675570493640616

womp womp womp

[flint gulch]

||🇪 🇲 🇧 🇪 🇩 🇫 🇦 🇮 🇱||

[glacial rampart]

well . nothing in life is free . and as long as i dont die and get what i wanted , i guess those outcomes would be manageable to some degree

it would maybe only be really terrible

wait i just properly processed the second line

ithought it was like "become a new organic specimen"

😭

is it too late to back out

[west plume]

Too late. You signed the contract. Your eyesight enhancing organisms are due for installation tomorrow

[glacial rampart]

i just wanted estrogen 😭✌️

[terse moss]

Yo how does one get eyesight enhancing organisms

sounds peak

I would 100% become a robot if it fixed my eyesight and back and whatever

And if I got tired less

and if it removed my depression

lot of upsides to be had

[plucky juniper]

what if i told draedon to create autism boosting organisms

[feral skiff]

no

that's gonna cause HYPER AUTISM

[long bloom]

good.

[plucky juniper]

i'll have you know that i am intending to finish what the last Emperor of the Hwan Empire, Kim Il-Sung I Hwan started with the Giza Mass Autism Array

[terse moss]

Draedon would not respect me as individual, but he would still be super cool to talk to

[brazen coral]

same

i agree

same with yharon tbh

I still wanna give him a hug

[hollow pivot]

0 Contact damage on Yharon.

[brazen coral]

YAAAY

Less than I was expecting

[hollow pivot]

But if he moves you get atomized.

[brazen coral]

Certified fluffy boy

Bonafide friend

Would give him a bath and brush him

https://tenor.com/view/rock-iguana-iguana-lizard-reptile-pet-gif-14124776680662016377

[zenith geode]

new lore dropped: mammoths were real

mega mammoth dragon too

[terse moss]

I feel like Yharon and Yharim would be racist boomers

I wanna talk to draedon, Calamitas, Amidas, and Permafrost

[zenith geode]

iirc yharon was especially racist even for a dragon

[terse moss]

Providence is too genocidal, Yharim, Yharon, and old duke are too racist, signus would steal my balls or something, and idk if there are any other fully sapient bosses

Moon lord?

idk if he counts after he got bisected

Xeroc would be really cool to talk to I think

Are the elementals fully conscious?

Like could you have a conversation with one

[plucky juniper]

silva if she wasnt in coma

[terse moss]

True, silva would be cool to talk to

I think statis would be more interesting to talk to than Braelor, just off vibes

Who else would be fun to talk to

[plucky juniper]

well in that case off vibes id personally talk to braelor

i dunno why i think hed have interesting stories

[terse moss]

I think talking to DoG would be fire actually

[terse moss]

Sure, but for some reason, i feel like he would talk the same as movie 1 Thor

No basis for that claim

like pure soul read

[terse moss]

Assuming he isn't just like
DIE
the whole time

[terse moss]

Would you accept a conversation with Signus, assuming he can give you the sales pitch

Like he can try to get you to accept a deal

[compact ridge]

What do we know about all the metals in calamity? I mean I know Auric has rejection and has lime dragon energy and is also racist to nondragons
Other than that uhhh I have no clue really

I mean I know cosmolites from the distortion but idk anything else about it

[terse moss]

Well Uelibloom is getting sent upstate

so like

ignore that one

[split mortar]

Aerialite is vetrasyl related iirc

[terse moss]

same with possibly cryonic and perrenial, or at least reworks/retiering are possible

[split mortar]

Its liquid normally or smth

[compact ridge]

Yeah uelibloom is dying and Providence is burying it iirc

Isn’t cryonic potentially becoming an alloy?

[split mortar]

Idk

Seems bit useless since what does that do

[compact ridge]

Also I’m more curious about vanilla ore and what’s changed there

Isn’t luminite just strong moon metal

[split mortar]

Molten is still very hot hell rock
Meteor is uh, might be star related?? Idk
The hardmode ores might be souls mixed with them cause how else do they come to exist
Isnt liminite moon rock in vanilla as well

[compact ridge]

I thought luminite was like Cthulhu metal in vanilla as opposed to just moon metal

[split mortar]

it drops from moonlord and is called a pebble from the heavens or smth and is called luminite thats like all we know

[compact ridge]

Magic space metal

I mean is it confirmed to be moon metal bc if not it could be distortion related seeing as it’s from Moonlord

[split mortar]

Its probably from this universe given it appears along with exodium

In those planetoids

[compact ridge]

Oh truee

[split mortar]

Also luminite fucking sucks compared to cosmilite why would ml use it

[compact ridge]

I was thinking it’s just like

Inside him

[split mortar]

Id wager luminite is moon metal and exodium is space metal

[compact ridge]

Like it’s a vital element for his physiology

But I mean it’s prolly just moon metal

[split mortar]

ah fair

[compact ridge]

What caused Hallowed ore to even be enchanted do we have any idea

[split mortar]

Hallowed is god essence metal like demonite snd crimtane