lore-discussion

[spare pier]

Entirely antithetical to how pirates work

😭

[thick slate]

is he stupid

[spare pier]

If they were united that's just a country

[agile matrix]

also curious thing: if more characters in calamity were offered the chance to become a god (like Yharim did, minus the Fucking Killing You Part if you dont take it), who would and for what domain

[craggy sparrow]

I do think its possible given the factions before in the Caribbeans

[agile matrix]

((like which domain would it make the most sense for them to have))

[patent sky]

Whats the fifth continent

[agile matrix]

the

[craggy sparrow]

though it would be a shaky coalition

[agile matrix]

pirates

of the

the pirates of teh

[west plume]

this is kind of a difficult question and is entirely contextual

[thick slate]

uhh

europe or smth

[patent sky]

I think we have russia, america, australia, and brazil rn

The first two are headcanons

[west plume]

i think you could make a lot of cal swap aus but it's difficult to say which potential gods would have which souls since it's entirely contextual and not every god chose or sought out their domain

[thick slate]

australia mention 🔥🔥🔥🔥🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🦘🦘🦘🐨🐨🐨🏉🏉🏉

[icy veldt]

Agartha

[spare pier]

That wasn't really a unified coalition tho. In Pirates of the Caribbean it was kinda just an oligarchy of the most powerful pirates who banded together in times of crisis to avoid being wiped out

[agile matrix]

i love difficult questions :)

[patent sky]

No.

[wanton pendant]

Don't leak my fanfics!

[agile matrix]

presuming that a person would bring them the dragon of the aspect they'd want the most

[patent sky]

Is there yuri

[spare pier]

It was a begrudging and conditional truce

[icy veldt]

Isn't that basically what a country is

[wanton pendant]

Like from that horror game?

[patent sky]

Havent you guys read one piece

[agile matrix]

like if draedon got a soul he would probably want mind for knowledge, he wouldnt really want fire since he doesnt really need fire

[spare pier]

If the country went back to killing itself when the crisis was over

[patent sky]

Luffy literally has a country under his rule united

[thick slate]

yaoi better

[icy veldt]

Based

[wanton pendant]

So, a country?

[patent sky]

Yuri is better bc I like women more than men (and im a lady)

[patent sky]

No thats yugi

[wanton pendant]

We got the gays (Statis and Braelor are still there).

[thick slate]

same

[patent sky]

Doomed yaoi

[thick slate]

but i think men kissing is cool

[craggy sparrow]

Would draedon and yharim date

[patent sky]

No

[craggy sparrow]

hypothetically

[thick slate]

they have

[craggy sparrow]

[thick slate]

divorced

[patent sky]

They are diametrically opposed

[west plume]

i think a lot of modern calamity characters just wouldn't choose a soul; amidias, calamitas, yharim, yharon and bandit would deny one on request
yharon would probably just actually crash out if you offered him any dragon's untainted auric soul
the archmage would probably just choose immortality and become a lich, my headcanon for draedon is he'd choose something with the ability of foresight like the Domain of Clairvoyance

[thick slate]

so

doesnt mean they cant date

[patent sky]

Draedon is progressive while Yharim is conservative, besides they broke up when Yharim found out about the plague

[west plume]

they already had a messy divorce

[thick slate]

at the end of the yharim fight draedon flies down on his chair and kisses yharim

[patent sky]

NO they broke up!

Dont have these blithering buffoons getting back together!

[wanton pendant]

They're toxic like that, Yharim came crawling back.

[west plume]

draedon uses a Dragon Attuned Stick to lift off yharim's helmet and gives him a kiss on the lips. 'Goodnight sweet prince,' he says

[craggy sparrow]

I think draedons planet sized mining operations is an even greater threat than yharim if you think abt it

[patent sky]

Going to the lore dock

[patent sky]

Shhh

[thick slate]

lore dock

[patent sky]

Draedon is giving me my hrt

[thick slate]

fortnite location

[wanton pendant]

Hey, you don't have the right!

[icy veldt]

Isn't mining also something that the Terrarian does?

[patent sky]

Im loopy off the cold medicine

Im sick rn

[craggy sparrow]

Mining equipments that he can repurpose to make as weapons

[thick slate]

codeine?

[craggy sparrow]

like damn

[spare pier]

Draedon mines A Lot

[patent sky]

I own the lore dock

[craggy sparrow]

Mf we have one singular pickaxe

[patent sky]

I park my ships at it

[craggy sparrow]

he has big ass drills

[icy veldt]

Hold my beer

[wanton pendant]

I hear he also crafts.

[glacial rampart]

why did zeratros turn the sun on pre-heat

[patent sky]

The humble scu

Dch

Dcu

Fuckkkk

[thick slate]

i should manufacture my own estrogen

thats kinda dope

[patent sky]

It also doesnt help I dont have my glasses on

[spare pier]

The funny thing is Draedon probably still doesn't have half the ecological footprint of some irl mega corporations lmaooooo

[wanton pendant]

Probably for elitist reasons.

[icy veldt]

Auric Dragon, therefore evil

[west plume]

out of everyone i would say that draedon will probably have the longest lasting negative effects on the world and would be one person who probably actually leads to it ending and the cycle breaking through absolute permanent despair. when yharon comes back he'll probably still be dealing with the plague and probably several silly other things like depletion of resources

[patent sky]

Estrogen cauldron has already been confirmed by John Calamity himself

[west plume]

Yeah he can't get that far yet

[spare pier]

He has no reason to either like

He's still One Guy

Even if he manufactures a bunch of shit

[glacial rampart]

nestle no diffs draedon i fear

[thick slate]

grow it in my bathtub

[icy veldt]

Sounds like a deserved punishment for the cowards and traitors who abandoned the Gods

[craggy sparrow]

he does have a corporation though

[wanton pendant]

At least Draedon doesn't target babies.

[craggy sparrow]

he has employees under him

[thick slate]

israel 0 - draedon 1

[wanton pendant]

Had.

[craggy sparrow]

working in labs and construction

[craggy sparrow]

had?

[west plume]

draedon could create more self-interested self-improving intelligent AI and start competing with them which would be like game over for the world in general in a very silent way

[patent sky]

But draedon is smart enough to know that would be his undoing

[wanton pendant]

They were from Yharim. I doubt after they cut ties more would be sent, and I fear their life expectancy was poor.

[patent sky]

He does not possess hubris

[spare pier]

Also actually no, Draedon does care about the state of the world and would likely intervene directly if any of his projects ever got too far, it's just that he's also smart enough to make sure that doesn't happen

Unless it's the Plague he fucked that one up but then the player unfucks it so it's all good

[wanton pendant]

And who would be paying them?

[spare pier]

Not that Draedon won't cause environmental damage

He does

[patent sky]

He lost them in the divorce

[craggy sparrow]

he took the kids

[spare pier]

But he isn't going to render a whole ass biome completely and utterly devoid of life

[patent sky]

The upper sulphureous sea:

[west plume]

i wouldn't put it past him to not convert an entire biome into a slightly different form of life though

[spare pier]

I was about to mention it

[wanton pendant]

Draedon didn't do that, he only made it worse.

[spare pier]

That's exactly why he won't lmao

[craggy sparrow]

What are the chances he has a mimic farm

[patent sky]

0%

[spare pier]

Any study Draedon could make from pushing biology to its absolute limit is already done in the Sulphurous Sea

[craggy sparrow]

lies

[west plume]

He would not as this is a layer of indirection

[spare pier]

Oh yeah I could see him do that

[patent sky]

What does he even need from mimics

[spare pier]

Ultimately tho what I mean is

[patent sky]

Like, say, the astral infection?

[spare pier]

Draedon will most likely push certain parts of the planet very close to a breaking Point, but he has no desire to actually break anything

[west plume]

i don't think draedon would purposefully cause catastrophic world-ending consequences At Least At The Current Time in the setting. there'd need to be multiple draedons with multiple different directives for that

[patent sky]

He’ll push it to the breaking point but have a plan to recover

And failsafes

[west plume]

i just think he'd be the one to actually break the cycle by making life so terrible that everyone sees the error of their ways in the very, very far future

[spare pier]

Fair, fair

[craggy sparrow]

I do just think hes capitalistic

[west plume]

or do something accidentally catastrophic like making all of the animals in an area regeneratively immortal and be unable to handle it

[craggy sparrow]

but more in line with creation

[west plume]

yeah - the setting isn't quite doomed yet because he has no one to actually compete with

[patent sky]

I foresaw this

[craggy sparrow]

I think hes more focused on gathering data from us

[spare pier]

Nah I ain't seeing this

[craggy sparrow]

for now

Though thats probably out of boredom

[spare pier]

It's hard to define Draedon because there's nothing really like him

[patent sky]

The ancient texts whispered to me

[west plume]

he doesn't have infinite capital and has to do things like Work with tyrants but the reason he just isn't subjugating every resource is because there's no one to starve out and no one actively trying to prevent him from doing what he does

so he'll just Keep going with minimal possible resistance

[patent sky]

He is the epitome of progress and innovation, as such he is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve it

[west plume]

there's also no one who was really able to hold him accountable for a lot of his mistakes and it's not like you can really Argue with him

or Kill him

[patent sky]

He is literally true neutral

[spare pier]

Yeah that's why I think saying he's a capitalist doesn't track, because like

[craggy sparrow]

Yeah nvm that was a poor statement

[spare pier]

The only thing he has to compete is whether or not someone can hold him accountable, and no one can

[west plume]

^

[spare pier]

Otherwise he just vibes

[patent sky]

If he was a capitalist he’d team up with the goblin tinkerer

[west plume]

the world Ends if another intelligent ai competes with him though

[patent sky]

But hes not

[spare pier]

And by "vibe" I mean he does whatever experiment he wants regardless of the moral implications

[craggy sparrow]

Which scares me, since he can change his neutrality on a whim

[patent sky]

Draedon vs AM

[craggy sparrow]

Draedon

AM too emotional

and can easily be manipulated

[west plume]

AM probably just gets draedon to give up and leave out of annoyance admittedly

[thick slate]

am is like a little strong

[patent sky]

He doesnt though, he stays focused on his goals

[spare pier]

Nah this also isn't true, Draedon very much welcomes competition. What he doesn't like is antagonism

If another AI of the same caliber tried to actively destroy Draedon, then that's an issue

[craggy sparrow]

No i meant whats scary is that he can do it, on a whim

[wanton pendant]

"HATE, HATE!"
"Fascinating. Despite your complexity you devote far too many resources to emotional simulation. What an unorthodox decision by your manufacturer."

[patent sky]

Oh

[spare pier]

But just exist alongside him there wouldn't really be a problem

[craggy sparrow]

and no one can stop him

We're just lucky that we're not in his way at all

[wheat walrus]

love ❤️‍🩹

[craggy sparrow]

but more on contributing to his goals

[spare pier]

Draedon is pretty chill I think

[patent sky]

Draedon is a hear me out maybe

[craggy sparrow]

He supported genocides

[spare pier]

Besides that

[thick slate]

tru

[patent sky]

Well he doesnt anymore

[craggy sparrow]

Hes literally the largest arms dealer in calamity

[patent sky]

Just like the brutal dictator of Nicaragua /ref

[west plume]

AM gets really upset that Draedon doesn't build more AIs to reestablish a new, perfected form of life and Draedon literally just gets up and leaves the planet out of annoyance. That's like the start and end of the conversation

[craggy sparrow]

Are we talking about book am

or video game am

[west plume]

book

[craggy sparrow]

alr

[west plume]

lonely guy

[wanton pendant]

The anime.

[craggy sparrow]

his video game counterpart is a bit more ego orientated

literally given form in one of the endings

[spare pier]

Even if you actively attempted to get on his way as much as possible, he'd kinda just go away and do his shit elsewhere. This is what makes Draedon interesting to me, Draedon really just does science for the love of the game and is very good at assessing what could impede his knowledge over something. His character arc is particularly defined by how over the course of the crusade he starts growing interested in the study of society and humans, and that's what makes him generally chill nowadays

[west plume]

draedon also doesn't have to not be chill because no one has the resources to really get in his way

which is part of his purpose in the setting currently

[spare pier]

That's true

[craggy sparrow]

I mean fair, he did give us a fair trade for weapons upgrades

by the exomechs

[west plume]

yharim lets him in and he does something Really Fucking Bad and then leaves of his own volution. yharim couldn't do anything about it despite leading an 100 year reign of terror over the continent. no one can really do anything about it

[long bloom]

unfortunately all the exo mechs weapons suck

[wanton pendant]

He stopped being a shut in gamer and got charisma. Now he makes child munching machines in the big leagues. This is the story about Draedon went from zero to terrorism.

[west plume]

there's no proof that draedon was ever not doing terrorism

tbf

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but it was probably boring domestic terrorism.

[west plume]

that's fair

[wanton pendant]

While now it's global terrorism.

[craggy sparrow]

They should give us an option to work with draedon at the end of the mod

or not

[west plume]

Yes, you too can make the same mistakes Yharim did!

[spare pier]

I mean you kinda do

Like Draedon straight up looks at you and go

[craggy sparrow]

then give me the clentaminator 5000

infinite ammo

and it covers the whole world

[wanton pendant]

You already get the Clentaminator 2, isn't that enough?

[craggy sparrow]

I don't want to dig holes

for an hour

[spare pier]

"The most interesting thing in the entire world can only happen if you go square up to Yharim and I am basically sponsoring you to make that happen"

[glacial rampart]

i would want to talk to draedon i think he'd be chill but also i dont think i understand science

[west plume]

i don't know if draedon would give you an 'instantly destroy biodiversity' weapon any more than he already does

[agile matrix]

"Why they chose to allow you emotional instinct, I am not sure."

[spare pier]

Like, he says in no uncertain terms he's only giving you his Forge blueprints because he wants you to be as strong as possible to fight Yharim lmao

[craggy sparrow]

Didn't am just evolve to have emotions

[wanton pendant]

Free lobotomy?

[craggy sparrow]

through observation

[agile matrix]

i mean yeah but you coulda probably pruned that ideal from it

"hey man you do not want emotion that shit sucks"

[wanton pendant]

"I have found feelings like pain and empathy impede the scientific method."

[spare pier]

I don't think he even has something that can really be more effective than shit you already get ingame ngl

[craggy sparrow]

Actually do we have any hints on what draedon was?

[patent sky]

Hes just hoping the fight with yharim creates a new element

[long bloom]

mega androomba

[patent sky]

A robot

[spare pier]

Celebration MK2 is like

Crazy for terrain destruction

[craggy sparrow]

i thought he just converted himself

[patent sky]

To my knowledge hes always been a robot

[long bloom]

this is all we know

[spare pier]

That's also said in Draetalk

[long bloom]

yeah but i don't have a screenshot of that

[spare pier]

Fair

[craggy sparrow]

Oh god hes an orphan

[west plume]

i think the implication is that intelligence comes with emotions and eventually AM had enough distributed intelligence to become a Person in it's own right which it wasn't able to handle because it was purely designed to handle political computer problems

[agile matrix]

ive asked this b4, when he says that does he mean literally in the middle of a forest with the organic to his near and a laboratory nearby, or was he in a lab which was surrounded by taiga

[wanton pendant]

So, big deal, everyone's an orphan nowadays, it's like there was a war or something.

[west plume]

draedon doesn't have that issue and just doesn't think strong emotions are necessary to most actions

[long bloom]

in a lab

[agile matrix]

darn.

[spare pier]

Tbf I think Draedon has nukes? But I wouldn't be so sure. He has nuclear energy and Draedon not knowing about fission and fusion is kinda insane, but either way I prefer the notion he just never used them because he thinks they're dumb

[patent sky]

Draedon has emotions bc he loved yharim

[agile matrix]

i dont think draedon would nuke anything

[long bloom]

true

[patent sky]

Pbg has a nuke, no?

[spare pier]

Kind of a misnomer

[agile matrix]

he has the plague and he's already got a plan to disable it if it threatens shit

[spare pier]

But it's a Big Ass Bomb yes

[wanton pendant]

Plague nuke. It's filled with Plague, not uranium.

[long bloom]

i assume gauss nuke is also not accurate

[west plume]

nukes are a very inefficient waste of resources and fission is very inefficient compared to literal infinite energy exo prisms

[spare pier]

Yeah

[west plume]

colloquial i believe?

[agile matrix]

no im pretty sure Gauss Nuke is a Nuke of Magnetism

its Gauss so not like. Nuckler

[patent sky]

If draedon knows nuclear fusion he could become a godlike being, perhaps given a title of “God of Technology” or machines

That would go hard af

[spare pier]

It's a magnetic bomb yeah

[patent sky]

But he wouldnt be a real god yk

[long bloom]

there's no such thing as a godlike being

[agile matrix]

idk man

astrum deus

?

[long bloom]

you're a god or you're not

[long bloom]

no

[patent sky]

The elementals would like a word

[agile matrix]

thats pretty God-Like :)

[long bloom]

people are just dumb and think it's a god

[spare pier]

I mean depends on your definition of "godlike"

[agile matrix]

yea it is Like a God

[patent sky]

I was using godlike in the sense that its the same sphere of thing

[agile matrix]

Kazuya Like A Dragon

damedane

[long bloom]

it's worshipped as a god

it's nowhere near being a god

[agile matrix]

its Like a Dragon

[long bloom]

perhaps

[spare pier]

If you're saying "behaves like a god" then no entity is godlike

If you're saying "treated like a god", some shit makes the bill

[agile matrix]

i mean things can act like gods but not be gods

[long bloom]

whar

[agile matrix]

the majesty of the stage

they just fuckin fake it

[spare pier]

When I say "behaves" I mean on a fundamental level

[agile matrix]

until they make it

[patent sky]

Also in the sense that at the point that draedon would hypothetically be worthy of a title: he would have control over all tech or machines through science

[spare pier]

Like not in how a god ports themselves, literally what makes someone a god

[patent sky]

Purely a hypothetical scenario

[agile matrix]

actually, good question: how would someone confirm another a god

[wanton pendant]

But what is a god, but a miserable little pile of secrets?

[patent sky]

Aura

[wanton pendant]

Big glowing sigil?

[agile matrix]

does ascension give a reciept

[spare pier]

Whar

[agile matrix]

receipt

[west plume]

domain insignia which shows up when they use their power

[agile matrix]

thats a fucked up word

[spare pier]

True that's a good answer

They all have their insignias

[agile matrix]

okay so like what if i just make one spawn with like. tech.
fake that shit so good i get a Billion Dollars

[long bloom]

oh i thought sigils were permanent

[spare pier]

Huh?

[long bloom]

always there

not only showing up sometimes

[spare pier]

What do you mean spawn one with tech?

[agile matrix]

yknow like uh

[wanton pendant]

Make LED drones fly behind you all the time.

[agile matrix]

laser displays or whatever

yeah

led drones

[icy veldt]

Would gods behave differently porting themselves to AArch64 compared with AMD64?

[spare pier]

That's really easy to spot

[west plume]

draedon probably already knows about nuclear fusion due to his mastery over electricity/mana/energy generation and material production so naturally he'd have already spent time researching it, it's just that fusion is really inefficient in the later parts of the setting. one ounce of exo prism is more easily accessible power than you'd reasonably ever get from entire nuclear facilities

[agile matrix]

not if its really well made

[wanton pendant]

Imagine using a god on Bedrock and not Java.

[spare pier]

I mean sure go LARP as a god then

[agile matrix]

get a billion dollars :)

[spare pier]

See how many people ya can trick before you're caught

[west plume]

Gods are architecture bound to the world soul and don't have a compatible ABI with similar things

[long bloom]

also roxy
are there plans to give yharon feats

[cosmic zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458428222061936652/1472394717110206667/yhar.gif

[spare pier]

Yeah

[long bloom]

rn it's just

• helped kill shakidou

[long bloom]

hype

[spare pier]

Tho kinda hard because Yharon never really fights alone but like

[west plume]

see how many people you can trick before you're bamboo tortured by crusaders**

[agile matrix]

"God of the Stage" who just lies and says they consumed some unknown dragon

[wanton pendant]

He's got like, two, he stands on them.

[spare pier]

Kinda easy to give the last dragon aura

[long bloom]

explode

[agile matrix]

he has Four

[cosmic zenith]

God LARPing is all fun and games until you're thrown into the Auric Maiden

[west plume]

Hi Yharim, I'm a God!

Here's how I'll torture you, Deity:
Number 1: The Marrow Furnace I'll inject liquid metal into your bones, boiling them from the inside.
Number 2: The Nerve Harvester Each nerve fibre will be plucked and strung, vibrating with agony.
Number 3: The Organ Grinder Your organs will be twisted and cranked, a grotesque puppet of pain.
Number 4: The Skin Weaver Your skin will be peeled and rewoven, a living tapestry of torment.
Number 5: The Eyeball Crucible Your eyes will be roasted and replaced with burning coals.
Number 6: The Mind Flayer Your thoughts will be shredded, echoes of endless torment.

[spare pier]

Can lowkey describe Yharon doing anything mundane and ya giving him immense amounts of aura

[long bloom]

where

[agile matrix]

okay but like what if they're really really good at faking it

[agile matrix]

are they bipedal

[wanton pendant]

Yharon getting coffee in the morning.

[west plume]

you can be a really good mage and fake being a god i guess but you don't have the sustainability of a god due to being bound by mana

[spare pier]

If I told you "Yharon punched a god" that's already auraful because that's a fucking dragon punching someone

[west plume]

as soon as you get tired of using your 'domain' people will be able to tell

[agile matrix]

i was thinking more technological

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas could totally perform divine fraud.

[long bloom]

yes

[agile matrix]

oh really

i thought they were either or

[long bloom]

kinda hard to walk on hands

[west plume]

well, yes, with the exception of forming an insignia which she probably wouldn't be able to do willingly

[spare pier]

Like bro holy shit imagine Yharon fucking punching someone that's so cool

[west plume]

she could maybe be taught to do it but i don't know why she'd learn to Larp otherwise

[agile matrix]

the marvelous Chimpanzee

[wanton pendant]

Can he even form a fist?
He has thumbs, somehow.

[modern laurel]

question, im new to looking into the lore of calamity, wheres the best place to just read it all start to finish?

[patent sky]

Theres a doc in pins

[spare pier]

Doc pinned here

[agile matrix]

check pins, look for lore doc 2 electric boog

[long bloom]

the second pin

[craggy sparrow]

Theres a doc

[modern laurel]

thanks!

[spare pier]

I dunno

Don't care tho

[wanton pendant]

Time to take Calamitas to the Dungeon and Dragon.

[spare pier]

Because Yharon punching someone is cool af

[craggy sparrow]

Instead of like watching those mostly misinformed and poorly researched calamity lore videos

[spare pier]

Or just doing anything

Like that's the thing man

If ya imagine Yharon fighting anything

[wanton pendant]

So my idea of her being able to do it under precise conditions isn't dead?

[agile matrix]

okay but like

[spare pier]

It's cool as all fuck

[agile matrix]

i mentally imagine yharon just

[west plume]

yes

[agile matrix]

torching the fucker

[west plume]

she'd be able to god larp

[long bloom]

i long for an animatic of yharon vs war god

[west plume]

then she gets beheaded by yharim and 5,000 godseekers

[spare pier]

9

[west plume]

9

[wanton pendant]

Sounds like 5,000 dead men and a panic attack.

[agile matrix]

i mean yharim could use them for uh

propoganda

"guys i fucking hate being a god"

[west plume]

5,000 dead men and 1 crispy Yharim

[agile matrix]

"please kill all the others so i can feel happy in dying"

[west plume]

regardless, one dead calamitas

[cosmic zenith]

Yharon torches Agnus alive (true and real)

[spare pier]

I think that if all you did was put Yharon's new sprite with cool animations over the current fight, that immediately gives him unbound aura and he becomes the coolest fucking boss of all time

Now imagine if you give him

Gasp!

A good fight 😨

[west plume]

I consumed an Auric Soul and you SEE what it did to me? It left all of these scars on my body. I feel NOTHING but RAGE AND PAIN all the time. My BROTHERS are haunting me from beyond the grave. You, people of (Yet Unspoiled Yharim Empire Name), need to fight to eliminate the Deific Scourge from the planet!

[long bloom]

infinite aura

[wheat walrus]

godlarping is fun but what about calamity mod fan larping

[spare pier]

Like bro you're getting your shit beat by a dragon that's singing

[agile matrix]

yea exactly

[spare pier]

That's too much aura for the human brain to comprehend

[long bloom]

he had an established name for an empire?

hm

[agile matrix]

the yharimites

[spare pier]

We came up with it like a month ago

[wanton pendant]

Seen it on Twitter.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim Inc.

[zenith geode]

the yhoids

[long bloom]

[wheat walrus]

seen it on reddit too

and here ✌️

im lwk larping too if we wanna be deadass since im no raria player

[agile matrix]

the yharoids

[wanton pendant]

Why must Twitter suggest those posers. Why must those posers not stop at posing?

[feral skiff]

why didn’t yharim turn the spawnpoint into a pool of lava to prevent the terrarian from killing him

[agile matrix]

my cal fans are funny

they all like yuri and yaoi

[wheat walrus]

for the reaction

i initially got intrigued by the music and then lore, i eventually tried terraria (no calamity mod or any other mod bc starting w mods is goofy imo), didn't rly like the gameplay but i was here and made friends, so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[long bloom]

anyway
yharon rework september 20th ✅

[west plume]

he can't bluetooth place the lava there silly

[agile matrix]

truth nuke?

[spare pier]

There's an attack we want to make Yharon do that's legit just a charged dash and it's so fucking cool like

[wheat walrus]

i should retry 1 day,,,,,,,,,,

[spare pier]

The reason Yharon fights feel so fucking awesome is because the way we imagine it he's just comically energetic

Imma admit

The one good thing about the current Yharon fight is how stupid fast he is

[long bloom]

true

[spare pier]

That makes the whole fight feel better imo because it adds to the feeling that mf really wants you dead

[agile matrix]

is he...

[spare pier]

It's conditional

[agile matrix]

he keeps balling up and spamming fire....

[spare pier]

If ya too far away his dashes are like

Ludicrous

But not the best yeah

[wanton pendant]

Yharon takes self-damage because he uses recoil moves for the higher damage output.
Probably has a Life Orb too.

[west plume]

more accurately yharim has had multiple phases of empire through the years and i believe they were known by different things at different times because the crusades are world phenomena and yharim + yharon weren't working alone or at full power at the start

[long bloom]

i see

[spare pier]

What I mean here is mostly that I want to keep Yharon's speed as his main attribute when reworking the fight

[wanton pendant]

The United Kingdom of the Draconic Alliance and the Empire of Human Misotheists.

[wooden shadow]

Lava related trauma

[long bloom]

i do wish he dashed into you less though
polter, old duke, dog are all very ram heavy

even scal has an attack like that

[west plume]

the name is for the modern day (as in, after trade route and political establishment) empire which is a decaying veteran shithole, but it used to resemble a horde more in the initial days

[spare pier]

Yeah, it's rough

[wanton pendant]

I see... Yharim's empire is named Mongolia.

[west plume]

yharim's empire is not the golden horde

it just was initially horde-shaped

[long bloom]

suspiciously horde-shaped empire

[spare pier]

It's a progression of horde into an actually established territory basically

[wanton pendant]

That one was after, fairly certain.

[spare pier]

Since eventually he'd need to actually have shit if he wanted to expand further

[west plume]

yharim pretty soon had to deal with things like 'politics' and 'housing' and 'supply routes' instead of going around and having his dragon raze villages while his barbarian army plundered

how unfortunate that those things don't work out forever

[long bloom]

tragic 💔

[spare pier]

Mf still just made someone else do it anyways

[long bloom]

do we still not know if permafrost or draedon joined first

[wanton pendant]

"Ruling is so hard, Terrarian. Every day, I wake up, tell Permafrost what he has to do, then go to the battlefield. Administration is a nightmare!"

[spare pier]

Uuuuuuh

I think it's hard to really say who joined first

Because they're both very foundational

[west plume]

I just ordered my knights and conscripts to raze 10 god worshipping villages this month! 10! They didn't even do it on their own. They kept suggesting 'taking prisoners' and 'mercy'. Ugh

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost and Draedon did like, a joint interview, for some reason, Yharim was trying to get new recruits faster, of course.

[wanton pendant]

"We have a quota here, people. If the head of a god isn't on my desk by the end of the month, one in every ten men is going to make up for it, ok?"

[long bloom]

so the crusade started in 1781
and draedon joined in 1803

[wanton pendant]

"Tell Permafrost to FREEZE the health inspector in a block of ice."

[long bloom]

was permafrost before or after that

[raven brook]

The first part of this message reads like mr beast video title

[spare pier]

Yeah Imma say Permafrost was after but not by a lot

No problem saying this imo

[raven brook]

I STARTED A CRUSADE AGAINST THE GODS!

[long bloom]

yippee

[sinful adder]

Yharon fight talk reminded me

[spare pier]

There's a specific event that I'm like

Keeping in mind for this

[sinful adder]

Why does DoG feel like 30 times harder than every other boss in the mod except maybe exo mechs

[wanton pendant]

"Woah man, you said you got a robot on your side, that's freaking awesome."
"Say old man, would you like a job too?"
"Uh, hell yeah, dude, working with a robot, that's sick as hell."
"Tubular."
"Never say that again."

[sinful adder]

Am I just really bad at DoG specifically

[west plume]

recent rework

0 horse intervention

[sinful adder]

I had trouble with DoG even before the rework

[spare pier]

I feel like the answer is, lowkey

Post DoG accessories are strong as fuck

😭

[worldly spindle]

Yeah like fym there’s just another revive

[spare pier]

And then SCal is just

A decent and consistent fight

That has stayed basically unchanged for like half a decade

[sinful adder]

Exo mechs and DoG are like the only two bosses that I can't beat fully legitimately in rev+. I always have to cheat in an extra revive or two

[spare pier]

The same cannot be said about Exos which suck ass

[long bloom]

[sinful adder]

Exos indeed suck ass

Honestly I don't like anything about them except their sprites

[worldly spindle]

Exo’s damage got neutered in Brainstorm

[long bloom]

good

[worldly spindle]

So it’s easier but the fight is still a problem

[spare pier]

Bro I remember when Exos dropped in 2020 I was like

Yooooo this fight bangs holy shit

[long bloom]

twas' 2021

[spare pier]

Guess how much of my opinion was entirely based on how cool the sprites were?

[long bloom]

byeah i also was fooled by the hype

[worldly spindle]

It’s still valid. The spectacle of the fight is awesome.

but that just makes exos “potential boss”

[long bloom]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[spare pier]

The spectacle was like groundbreaking in 2021

[long bloom]

true

but now it's kinda just a wet fart

[spare pier]

Very few things had the visuals of Exos at the time so it was very new

Nowadays yeah

[worldly spindle]

I don’t know how you can’t think the concept of the fight is badass

[spare pier]

Oh no it is

Like

Conceptually I would not change a single thing about Exos lmao

[long bloom]

the concept is very cool
every single aspect of the execution is shit

[cosmic zenith]

I wasn't particularly impressed by it on release because it already felt worse than SCal lol

[spare pier]

The fight just does not reflect that at all

[worldly spindle]

Maybe “spectacle” wasn’t the correct word

[spare pier]

Like we always say but what makes Exos so cool is the fact that they're basically there to be the ultimate show of how far you've come

[sinful adder]

Unironically I think the game would be better off if draedon was gastered

[long bloom]

whar

[spare pier]

It's a fight you mathematically should not be able to win

[worldly spindle]

Nah I get it

[spare pier]

Literally everything tells you that you should have fucking died

[sinful adder]

Removed from existence

[spare pier]

You still win anyways

[sinful adder]

Never existed

[worldly spindle]

Draedon should be much more mysterious and non-present than he actually is

is what he’s saying

[spare pier]

I'm getting mixed signals

[long bloom]

are you sure

[worldly spindle]

I don’t really agree tho

Oh what

Nah that’s different fym he shouldn’t exist

[spare pier]

Also I kinda agree and would love to do this if not for two reasons

[sinful adder]

No actually I have mixed feelings about this so I made my statement ambiguous

Either should not exist at all, truly retconned, or should be a mystery thing you never interact with directly

[worldly spindle]

Ah

[long bloom]

you only interact directly at the very very end of the game though

[spare pier]

1 - Draedon's story is heavily dependent on the player's own and the main impact of the narrative is to overcome a trial made specifically for you that you should not win. If the player never interacts with Draedon, then that impact is lost because the guy just comes out of nowhere

2 - Noxus

[long bloom]

john "0 namedrops" noxus

[worldly spindle]

Exos are really scary in-universe man

[spare pier]

Noxus works waaaaaay better as Calamity's Gaster

[worldly spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/springtrap-dbd-dead-by-daylight-true-truth-nuke-gif-13590500177919059804

[wanton pendant]

0 name drops.
0 motives.
7 thousand people thinking someone else is you.

[long bloom]

i wonder when the first namedrop will actually be

[sinful adder]

Same goes for every single draedon related feature in the game. I actively dislike all of them

[long bloom]

[spare pier]

You could also argue Xeroc

But that's more of an alternate take

[worldly spindle]

The only difference is that you guys will actually acknowledge Noxus’s existence

[sinful adder]

I was also implying like the fandom version of gaster who was retroactively erased from existence rather than the canon version who is not that and is actually just normal kinds of mysterious

[spare pier]

Like Xeroc wouldn't work at all currently if we went the Gaster route

[long bloom]

that's even more confusing somehow

[spare pier]

But I could see some tweaks you can make to make Xeroc that

[wanton pendant]

Throw Xeroc into the machine.

[worldly spindle]

If he was erased from all of time and space then wouldn’t that change history to make it so that he never existed

[sinful adder]

Alright, let me take it from the top

[worldly spindle]

those aren’t mutually exclusive

[spare pier]

I mean I kinda get where you're coming from but I think that's a very strong opinion that's way too emotional for me to take seriously

[sinful adder]

The explanation is that it's not perfect and traces are left

I think that either:
Draedon should be fully retconned and not exist, same with every associated feature like the labs and arsenal weapons

OR (better)

[worldly spindle]

Anyways Gaster is an entire beast in of itself and you can’t really compare any figure in Calamity to him lol. Or anyone in fiction at all for that matter.

[spare pier]

Yeah

Gaster is reaaaaally unique

The best comparison I can make is Carmen from Project Moon

And even then they're very different when you get to the details

[sinful adder]

Only like one or two people should know about draedon in the game. Everyone knows about this super advanced tech that's lying around, but no one remembers where it first came from or how to make it from scratch

[long bloom]

ok

why though

[sinful adder]

This could kinda work if you made draedon actually be a martian like the old lore. He could be the first Marian to find terraria hundreds of years ago

[long bloom]

he wasn't even a martian in the old lore

[spare pier]

Draedon wasn't martian btw, just from another planet

[long bloom]

it was a random different planet yeah

[sinful adder]

I think nearly all the mod's features that draedon is tied to in lore just plain suck

[long bloom]

⁉️

[spare pier]

And like ok that's an interesting idea but I'm still sitting on the why

[sinful adder]

I HATE charge mechanic

I HATE the labs

[long bloom]

charge was killed

[worldly spindle]

I think you just don’t like Draedon dude

[long bloom]

mostly

[worldly spindle]

I think he’s cool

[spare pier]

Charge is dying for good eventually

[sinful adder]

Except like the first lab that one is good

[sinful adder]

THANK GOD

[spare pier]

Really don't get this one tho

[long bloom]

the labs are peam

[spare pier]

What's the problem with the labs?

They're really cool structures that show you more about Draedon

The random ones are pretty barebones but the bio-labs are great

Imma admit most of the text around Draedon could be better but I don't get hating it

[long bloom]

remembering the old idea to turn the small labs into barracks and forges

[wanton pendant]

What if you could find broken Draedon drones around the world that were destroyed while researching?

[long bloom]

draedon does not need more worldbuilding content

[spare pier]

How I feel

Draedon has enough

[wanton pendant]

Fine, fine. Give Calamitas a real job.

[spare pier]

The content he already has can and will be polished but we don't need more

[long bloom]

mcdonal

[thick slate]

calamitas works the grill

[long bloom]

every burger turns into ashen slag

[thick slate]

surely she can produce a low flame

[spare pier]

I could see about expanding the communication mechanic but that's it

[wanton pendant]

Did Permafrost never show her how to cook?
We should leave him in the ice for being useless.

[thick slate]

too busy aura farming

[spare pier]

Permafrost we need to cook

[long bloom]

i doubt it

[thick slate]

calamitas sucks

noob

[sinful adder]

Ok so every time I play the game, I find the first two labs no problem and they're ok and give me some cool loot and lore. But after that, every time I go to a lab, it's just this arbitrary thing I go out of my way to do for a few minutes, I don't get anything interesting out of it except a piece of lore that isn't particularly fun even if I didn't know it already, and I have to wait another 2 minutes for it to decrypt

[sinful adder]

And the storyline with draedon talking to you is just... Really boring with how he rants about armies and weapons and shit

[thick slate]

infodump the guy

[spare pier]

Nevermind I'm not having this discussion lmao

This is yet another "the concept is kinda subpar ingame. We should nuke it"

[sinful adder]

The blocks and furniture and stuff are cool but that's about it

[spare pier]

People always jump immediately to the nuclear option and that's annoying as hell man

This is why Triangle is awesome that guy will squeeze potential out of the most defunct concepts of all time

[sinful adder]

Fair enough. I think it might be more fun if like... I guess you'd have to replace a lot of stuff. But it could work

[wheat walrus]

So true twintanium ingot

[sinful adder]

Actually I think I have a much more reasonable complaint

[plain crane]

what is thou complaint

[thick slate]

doesnt even nearly rhyme

[wanton pendant]

Terraria names to name children:
Sunflower.
Titanium Ingot.
Dirt Block.
Skeletron Prime.
Double Daring Dangers.

[wheat walrus]

Twintron Prime 🫰

[thick slate]

smeletron

[light linden]

grenade

[sinful adder]

Structured like the vernal pass and sort of the first two labs are designed in such a way that the structure looks like it served a purpose. You can look at a room and figure out what it was used for

The other ones... You really can't. They feel like rooms for the sake of rooms

[thick slate]

nuke the vernal pass

[wheat walrus]

nuke taylor

[thick slate]

vernal pass has literally everything

trivialises the jungle

[plain crane]

good, fuck the jungle

too many mosquitoes

[wanton pendant]

Give the Vernal Pass a gun.

[thick slate]

not a single mosquito is this whole video game

why are bees the bad guys

john relogic

[plain crane]

we annoy the bees so that when they finally sting we can claim it was self defense

[light linden]

I do agree with that part

[plain crane]

well you do have to find the vernal in the first place

most players will explore most of the jungle before finding it

so its not a major issue

[thick slate]

it just doesnt need to exist

[plain crane]

it doesnt but i'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wants it gone

its great to not have to carve the underground to fight plant

just like forsaken archives for the dungeon bosses

[thick slate]

they just got nothing unique going on

[spare pier]

It ain't got anything bro whar

[wanton pendant]

I think Dungeon could use more stuff. Like an alchemy room.

[spare pier]

Yes but: Vanilla

[sinful adder]

Vernal pass is the good one

[spare pier]

I'd rather not add a bunch of vanity rooms to the Dungeon

[plain crane]

people lived in the dungeon, somehow

if you enjoy living in a candle-lit hallway that is

and with poor ventilation

[sinful adder]

Every room in the structure has stuff in it that tells you who lived there

[terse moss]

There should be prison cells in the dungeon

Like proper individual cells with beds and whatnot

[light linden]

did I hallucinate it having chests with a bunch of jungle exclusive loot?

[thick slate]

it got that

[worldly spindle]

At some point we gotta stop confusing vanilla gripes as Calamity problems

[wanton pendant]

My vanilla gripe is Dungeon having nothing in Hardmode until you beat Plantera.

[thick slate]

dungeon in general just never fun imo

[terse moss]

Yeah

[worldly spindle]

The layout is cancer yeah

[terse moss]

You go there, you farm until you die, then you never go there again

[wanton pendant]

The Calamity gripe is that Phantoplasm is very unimaginative.

[thick slate]

literally just ectoplasm 2

[terse moss]

Ectoplasmer

[long bloom]

necroplasm

[terse moss]

Wait did the name change?

[long bloom]

yeah

[terse moss]

I remember the necroplasmic beacon

Huh

Weird

[worldly spindle]

Okay that feels a little disingenuous when a common part of a Terraria playthrough is pillaging the Dungeon in pre-hardmode

That has a lot of significance

[terse moss]

Yeah I just go there once with a battle potion and farm until I die and then don’t go back

Same with post plantera

[worldly spindle]

You don't loot the chests?

[terse moss]

I might go twice

[terse moss]

Nah I do

I go once for like 30 minutes

[worldly spindle]

What are you even farming in pre-hardmode? Nazar and Tally Counter?

[terse moss]

Bones

[worldly spindle]

bones.

[terse moss]

For necro armor mostly

Yeah

And the shield ig

[worldly spindle]

I accumulate bones naturally when looting all the chests :p

I actually miss old bone glove, it was a good weapon for the dungeon

[thick slate]

blones

[worldly spindle]

Anyways yeah a lot can be said about the layout/bullshittery of the Dungeon but it is a significant part of the game

[plain crane]

why did we ever need a glove to throw bones

did the bones refuse to be thrown

[thick slate]

cuz they are yucky eww

[worldly spindle]

I used the bones to throw the bones

[wanton pendant]

What isn't as significant is the Jungle Temple AKA Golem's overly dramatic entrance.

[worldly spindle]

tru the temple is pretty ass

[thick slate]

temple hates to see a rod of discord coming

[wanton pendant]

No loot, two enemies, 500 traps to disarm easily.

[worldly spindle]

linear path of clearing and squeezing through spikes and traps and suffering internal bleeding

[thick slate]

yay i love triggering spiky ball trap

[worldly spindle]

just to fight the worst boss in vanilla

[plain crane]

worst boss? in a game that has deerslop?

have some respect man

[thick slate]

forgot deerclop was a boss

[plain crane]

i suppose the boss fits the game it comes from

[thick slate]

amen

dont starve gets a boss but the goat dead cells doesnt

whats even the point

[spare pier]

Bro

Dead Cells Bosses suck ass man sorry

They ain't why the game good

[sinful adder]

I would consider deerclops a better boss than golem

Slightly

[thick slate]

sighh

[light linden]

y'know

I find it funny how magneto just ruins nearly every single one of the end game calamity bosses

[wanton pendant]

The humble witch:

[light linden]

and could instantly turn yharim into a cube of auric and meat

[light linden]

scal is the only one he can't just kill instantly

[thick slate]

locked in magneto can instantly kill anyone

[thick slate]

is auric magnetic

[light linden]

and then again if she is wearing any metal he can just choke her to death with it

[light linden]

it should be considering its constant electrical charge

and even then

it doesn't matter

[thick slate]

true

[wanton pendant]

Too broke to afford real gold, it's just dyed wool.

[light linden]

magneto could rip apart anything he wishes

just it is very very hard to do without causing a nuclear explosion

[thick slate]

magneto after realising the iron in blood

or in the ground

[light linden]

since he has to pull on the electric charge from electrons

also there's the whole thing of

he has electrokinesis

[thick slate]

yea

he can just do lightning

[sinful adder]

I was about to explain induction but actually yeah you got it

[light linden]

not to mention he could just

bend light away from scal's eyes

boom she's blind

[sinful adder]

Magnets can be used to heat any conductive material with basically 100% energy efficiency

[light linden]

for the unaware btw

magneto doesn't just have the control over electromagnetism

[thick slate]

can magnets bend light

[sinful adder]

Yes

[light linden]

he controls the entire spectrum

[thick slate]

but photons dont have a charge

[light linden]

from gamma radiation to radio waves

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas should just hit remind him of his past to get the drop on him.

[sinful adder]

Photons are waves in the electromagnetic field

Charge is just one aspect of that field

[light linden]

he could even make himself invisible

[thick slate]

how strong would that have to be to bend light

[light linden]

and as a reminder

he can do this from lightyears away

[thick slate]

ur so autistic twin

[sinful adder]

Cathode Ray tubes do this

[thick slate]

i hate physics

[sinful adder]

Depends how much light you want to bend

[thick slate]

stupid stupid

[sinful adder]

Actually wait I might be misremembering

[thick slate]

i only know chemistry

[sinful adder]

Yeah CRTs do something else. You need a much stronger magnetic field to bend light I think, but I have to check

[light linden]

and his electromagnetic shields can literally stop a nuclear blast at point blank

so scal ain't gonna win

like at all

[thick slate]

this is any marvel character

[light linden]

no this is magneto

[thick slate]

yea any of them are folding calamitas

[wanton pendant]

Magneto is weak to reminders of WW2.

[sinful adder]

Ok so actually magnets can NOT bend light

[light linden]

magneto is probably the 2nd strongest mutant in lore

[light linden]

that suggests scal knows what ww2 is

[light linden]

maybe 3rd

the definitive strongest is the son of Mr Fantastic and Invisible Woman who is uh

[wanton pendant]

If she's fighting Magneto, anything is possible, including knowledge of the crimes Hitler commited against humanity.

[thick slate]

a good mutant is a dead mutant

[light linden]

a literal omnipotent god

[wanton pendant]

Franklin.

[thick slate]

they arent mutants

[light linden]

and for an actual weakness of magneto

his powers cause him immense headaches

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Franklin is.
(Frank for short.)
(F for shorter.)

[light linden]

yes but their son is

Franklin Richards

[thick slate]

dont care

ice man solos

[light linden]

no he can not

Franklin is a literal omnipotent god

[thick slate]

and iceman is tuff

[wanton pendant]

One day a year.

[light linden]

fun fact

that isn't a hard limit

he can just decide not to do that

[wanton pendant]

Only on that one day.

[west plume]

ultimate magneto stomps like the vast majority of every universe so this is kind of a moot point

[wanton pendant]

He forgets he has the powers outside of it.

[thick slate]

iceman goat

[light linden]

there's literally only one character stronger than him in marvel

[thick slate]

icrman

franklin is a chud anyway

[wanton pendant]

That's right, Immortal Man.

[light linden]

and that is the One Above All

the God of the marvel universe

[wheat walrus]

Marvel character VS [fictional work that isnt too crazy]

[thick slate]

punch dimension

[thick slate]

yea theres like a comic for like every character that makes rhem absurdly strong

yea like in this one iron man is actually god

[hollow pivot]

Having a multi-decade old comic book series tends to make some crazy stuff happen.

[thick slate]

yea

writers when they write abt their favourite character

[light linden]

still wonder what'd happen if vibranium touched auric

[thick slate]

kabom

[hollow pivot]

I don't thnk Auric Rebuke works on non-carried Inanimate Objects since the stone surrounding Auric Ore doesn't blow up.

[thick slate]

true

[light linden]

Antarctic Vibranium would prolly create the most explosive liquid ever

[hollow pivot]

Cosmilite would be a pretty expensive liquid.

[light linden]

Wakandan would probably create a very very very loud sound

[hollow pivot]

Actually it might depend on how much is in the Distortion.

[light linden]

I said explosive

[light linden]

for the unaware

[hollow pivot]

Oh

[light linden]

antarctic vibranium liquifies any metal it gets close to

[thick slate]

i get all my marvel comics info from yt shorts sorry

[hollow pivot]

Huh

[hollow pivot]

How does it do that?

[thick slate]

oh so it just kills people

cuz calciums a metal

[light linden]

it messes up the atomic structure of any nearby solid metals

[hollow pivot]

Would that create a nuclear explosion?

[eternal veldt]

Does that mean a fae are naturally weak to humans?

[light linden]

no

just makes it where they turn to liquid

[hollow pivot]

Because I thought state of matter was a molecule thing not an atomic thing.

[wanton pendant]

Do not underestimate them.

[thick slate]

do fae have bones

or blood

hydrogen is a metal

sometimes

[eternal veldt]

They are made with pixie dust. And rainbows and giggles

[light linden]

yes

[thick slate]

goblins are fae

[hollow pivot]

Fae prolly have a minor immunity to metal.

[light linden]

it specifically likes to cause immense blood issues

[thick slate]

why

cuz ur bones melt

[eternal veldt]

How do you have immunity while being weak to it

[light linden]

iron in blood

[thick slate]

one molecule per haemoglobin

[hollow pivot]

You can build up a small immunity to a poison and still be killed in larger amounts.

[thick slate]

wouldnt do anything if it was turned to liquid

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough

[thick slate]

i guess they didnt know that when they wrote it

unless it like heats it up a lot

[eternal veldt]

I would be more concerned for my bones

[thick slate]

yea

bones make blood so

[hollow pivot]

Can it turn plasma and gas into liquid or just solid?

[thick slate]

yea true

cuz hydrogens a metal

[light linden]

what it specifically does is make the atoms vibrate in a funky way

turns solid metal into liquid

[thick slate]

and water is hydrogen

bloods a liquid

[hollow pivot]

Does Raiden not have that?

[thick slate]

btw

some of it is

[eternal veldt]

Well i guess all my blood vibrating would cause me problems

[thick slate]

my blood is in a flow state

[light linden]

it's worth mentioning

[thick slate]

it turns mercury into a liquid

[light linden]

this doesn't just turn what the iron is in into blood

it effectively seperates the iron

while making it liquid

[thick slate]

making what a liquid

its one molecule

[light linden]

the iron

[thick slate]

the separation is important but you got bigger fish to fry

i wouldnt be worried about my blood going funky

if my bones were melting

[light linden]

well its only been said to affect blood

so

[thick slate]

dont tell it that calciums a metal

[agile matrix]

asking this here: would time have an negative/opposite, and would information (the concept of information, not the spread of it) have a negative/opposite

[wanton pendant]

There is negative information, it's called the reading ability of internet users.

[agile matrix]

thats technically the spread of information

i moreso mean the general concept of information as a whole

[thick slate]

ignorance

idk

opposite of time is space

[hollow pivot]

Information is anything known correct?

[agile matrix]

i have this pantheon system (seperate from calamity but similar) that has gods that kinda chain from each other
if it has an opposite its lower than the higher, and if it doesnt its a primordial

[hollow pivot]

There's not exactly an opposite to knowing something, there's knowing something false and knowing nothing but that's about it.

[agile matrix]

so like god of knowledge would be a primordial but god of propoganda and god of informing (lack of better word) are its "offspring"

since spreading propaganda and spreading information are counterparts and kinda keep each other in balance

[hollow pivot]

god of truth and god of lies?

[agile matrix]

yeah basically

[sinful adder]

No

[wanton pendant]

Children would have to become gods independently.

[agile matrix]

makes sense

[thick slate]

times opposite is space tho

[agile matrix]

they arent really children, the primordial can just choose to split its concept into those factors while still existing

[hollow pivot]

Would space not be an entirely different thing?

[agile matrix]

you're like. half right

[wanton pendant]

Not how gods work.

[thick slate]

its the closest thing to being an opposite

[agile matrix]

mine work like that

[thick slate]

they arent talking abt calamity dude

[agile matrix]

yuh

[thick slate]

they just talking

[wanton pendant]

How on Earth am I meant to know that?

[thick slate]

cuz they said that

[agile matrix]

^

[hollow pivot]

Reading?

[agile matrix]

i asked abt it here since the god system is similar to how domains work

[thick slate]

in relation to light

[thick slate]

ur the opposite of information

[agile matrix]

yeah but you need both for light
time is how long it takes to go in space, and space is how far it goes in time

[thick slate]

i know

[agile matrix]

i think the only exception to this law is sun and moon who are chained together (literally with a spear through each)

[thick slate]

they have a negative correlation

[agile matrix]

i dont know that word

i do know that lol

i thought nevative was like the actual word for how time and space correlate

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/no-correlation-gif-1271746605347850530

[west plume]

the opposite of a Time domain would probably just be death. The God of Sacrifices' power is inherently the ability to get rid of entropy and make it so time dependent phenomena no longer matter I believe

[agile matrix]

hm

[west plume]

i don't think Information can have an opposite domain since domains are all inherently information based. i would bet that the Soul of Gluttony could allow you to do something like Hoard memories or take them from other people though, although this isn't canon and is just a guess

Auric Soul of Nothing would be a self-deleting domain and it would terminate itself and the environment around it before being able to be collected

[terse moss]

Thats a bonkers power

like what

everything is time dependent

You can stop the flow of cause and effect selectively

[west plume]

it just makes it so time dependent phenomena no longer matter. you physically can no longer die but actions taken toward you still Exist and have happened to your person so they can't be undone

you'd probably look toward rebirth or life for fixing an issue like that

[terse moss]

How does it distringush between old age and something liek radioactive decay

[west plume]

that's a time dependent factor and

i'd probably sit on the side of radioactive decay being a form of Dying, so you could stop that from happening

[terse moss]

man, I can't believe one dragon was a fully omnipotent god and got folded by calamari

[light linden]

been wondering btw

[west plume]

the dragon of death was not fully omnipotent

[light linden]

when did you become a dev?

[west plume]

a while ago

[light linden]

I feel like you just appeared like last week

and I can't tell if you actually did or my memory is failing me again

[terse moss]

If death = something ending, and you can stop that, thats is full reality warper territory

[west plume]

im just quiet ...

[west plume]

you can only stop phenomena

[terse moss]

But everything is a phenomenon

thats just like "an occurance"

[west plume]

do you know everything is phenomena?

[rain osprey]

syrup is awesome

best dev

[light linden]

hello dev I've never seen

[terse moss]

A phenomenon is any event that occurs

[light linden]

would you like a bnnuy?

[terse moss]

so like kinda

[west plume]

like, if you were given the power would you be able to Kill any random event that happens near you

even without knowing it would happen

[terse moss]

Thats GER

like straight up

[west plume]

well, no. you can't stop it from happening. you can just stop it from Ending

that's the issue

[terse moss]

You can stop the state of it not being the case from ending

[west plume]

you can't identify that point to stop it

there isn't an object that Spawns the event

[terse moss]

Oh so you can only react to things happening, and prevent things that do exist in a positive sense from stopping, you can't get too meta

[west plume]

yes

only phenomena that are happening and can be interacted with

[terse moss]

But like you could stop someone's heart while it is contracted, since that is an event

[west plume]

yes

[terse moss]

And this guy is not even like top 5 dragons?

Yharon can't do anything close to that

[west plume]

yharon makes every other dragon immortal

[light linden]

welp they don't seem to want a bnnuy

syrup do you want a bnnuy?

[terse moss]

Or like the mind dragon could probably stop you from even having the thought required to take an action to harm them

[west plume]

sure