lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

?

[hollow pivot]

huh

[wanton pendant]

What doth thou meaneth!?

Garnished by Yharim.

[split mortar]

Question was relating to stars specifically iirc so sun irrelevant

[hollow pivot]

Torch god is Cannon bro.

[upper warren]

Is the sun even that big in lore?

[hollow pivot]

This is what Torch god looks like without carbon monoxide poisoning.

[split mortar]

Its like
Smaller then a planet bigger then the moon

[dusk laurel]

torch god is canon the bestiary entry was edited by calamity for that very reason (not explicitly stated as a god anymore)

[hollow pivot]

Sun is regular sized Terraria is Star Sized trust.

[split mortar]

Since sun orbits terraria

[long bloom]

i thought it was around the same size as the moon

[dusk laurel]

if terraria was the size of an irl star, even just a red dwarf, id boar myself

[wanton pendant]

?

[long bloom]

and also as close as the moon

[split mortar]

It appears same size as moon while behind the moon

[split mortar]

It would have killed the moon

[wanton pendant]

Sun has to be bigger than the moon.

[long bloom]

oh true

[raven brook]

I still to this day don't think i've ever gotten a explanation of why this is a thing

[long bloom]

eclipses

[raven brook]

It feels like a very random thing to do that dosen't really contribute to anything

But eh

It's not really,

a particularly relevant detail

[long bloom]

it downscales the sun

[raven brook]

it dosen't really matter much

[hollow pivot]

It would make Yharim seem dumber though.

[raven brook]

It just seems like a very odd choice to make

[wanton pendant]

Because it's really funny.

[long bloom]

so xeroc isn't literally unbeatable

[split mortar]

Sorry but a celestial object of primordial light is winning against the celestial object of malicious pebbles and squid

[dusk laurel]

i do agree it is a bit strange but it doesnt change anything so i can just ignore it unless someone asks

[raven brook]

is it

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[split mortar]

Yes

[raven brook]

your sense of humour is strange water wraith gaming

one would expect as much from a brit anyways

[long bloom]

having terraria orbit the sun would mean xeroc basically controls the planet

[raven brook]

Would it

[wanton pendant]

A WHAT!?

[raven brook]

Xeroc's powerset can be whatever the devs want it to be

Just cuz hes the sun guy dosent mean he can like

completely control the sun, necessarily

U can make him be able to extract power from it

Much like zeratros did iirc

[upper warren]

Domains don’t mean 100% control

[hollow pivot]

It is a binary system where Terraria rotates around the sun and vice-versa.

[raven brook]

People joke about him idk throwing the sun at terraria but i dotn think thats real

[wanton pendant]

Near limitless control.

[raven brook]

id hope thats not real anyways

[split mortar]

Looks at embers having xeroc just
Remove the sun from sight

[long bloom]

yeah that

it just poofed

[dusk laurel]

whats even the humorous part of it 😭

geocentricity???

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[upper warren]

I’m gonna have to read that again, didn’t know he could just do that

[wanton pendant]

Messes with those scientist nerds.

[raven brook]

Don't want to make a character overpowered -> Give your character overpowered abilities -> make a solution for the problem you made

[split mortar]

And we know domains work for free so this takes no energy from xer the oc

[raven brook]

Thats what it feels like to me

[hollow pivot]

Nothing funny about Geocentricity, it's 100% true.

[raven brook]

Xeroc dosen't need to literally have complete control of the sun much like Tyrian can't just like throw the entire ocean at you

[dusk laurel]

wwg is a catholic monk from the middle ages theres no explanation

[wanton pendant]

Wow, no need to call me out like that.

[split mortar]

Tyrian is sea god so ot would be throws the entire sea at you

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

the sun thing has always been one of the few things i really don't get

[raven brook]

ravager god of blood will throw all of the blood everywhere on the planet at you at once

[split mortar]

Yes

[raven brook]

killing almost all animal life in the proccess cuz they dont have blood anymore. god bless

[dusk laurel]

dragon of gluttony makes everyone want to eat

[young socket]

he could you dont know that

[raven brook]

that'd be dumb so i dont think he can

[young socket]

im actually good friends with tyrian and i saw him part the sea

[wanton pendant]

He'd be like that one anime character.

[raven brook]

no youre not

[hollow pivot]

Ravager just uses blood bending.

[long bloom]

slime god absorbs every single slime on terraria

[wanton pendant]

Burned at stake.

[raven brook]

🐬

tsuki

[dusk laurel]

tsuki is a DOLPHIN?!?!?!?!?!?

[long bloom]

wait we could make a character out of this

[raven brook]

yeah

[split mortar]

Tyrian gets total control of water with the limit being the smallest sea on the planet clearly

[raven brook]

hunt of the old god

[split mortar]

Dont think hotdog includes tyrian

[wanton pendant]

Slime God... old?

[raven brook]

yeah hes like slime royalty

a duke of sorts almost

[young socket]

he said "look i can replicate what jesus did one time" which i mean it was pretty impressive what he did but i didnt have the heart to tell him that it was moses not jesus

[dusk laurel]

tsuki is yhorm

as in the fake seatizen shadow

the one who betrayed ilmeris to give information to yharim's army

[wanton pendant]

So he can't walk on water?

[split mortar]

I can believe tsuki is fake it fits my worldview

[dusk laurel]

true!

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Tyrian can swim on land

[wanton pendant]

Why didn't Yharim do this? Is he stupid?

[split mortar]

Isnt the god of the sea

[dusk laurel]

anyways horrible hog soloes your favorite character and/or verse

[young socket]

i dont know i never asked

[mighty zenith]

tyrian can only touch land once every 10 years

[wanton pendant]

So? Yharim is still, like, really strong, I heard he once punched a table so hard everyone died.

[split mortar]

Tyrian and anahita vs kyoger

[mighty zenith]

kyogre wins

[split mortar]

The table didnt die

[mighty zenith]

absolutely

that bitch can cause the end of the world

[young socket]

he has to walk with buckets of seawater attached to his feet

[long bloom]

what feet bruh

[wanton pendant]

They're like, behind the tail.

[split mortar]

Why do you have the image upside down

[eager bluff]

this part right here

[hollow pivot]

I hope we get that cannon as a weapon.

Notice he has 5 eyes?

[split mortar]

Here

[wanton pendant]

Your gonna pull it off of his corpse?

[feral skiff]

that looks like an anglerfish mixed with a human mixed with a deep-sea creature

[long bloom]

anglerfish are deep sea creatures

[hollow pivot]

Think that unjurt on his side is from Yharim?

[wanton pendant]

We have no idea if they ever fought.

[raven brook]

i think those are gills

AIT NO

caps

wait no nvm

they seem more like injuries yeah

he has gills near his head, and they have blood coming from them

they are seemingly slashing wounds, so maybe it was from a fight with yharim cuz hes the sowrd guy

could also just be smth else entirely though

[split mortar]

Reorganises your cells alphabetically then numerically

[raven brook]

thanks for the input siffrin gun

[long bloom]

also the bandaged artwork has blood stains there yeah

[feral skiff]

why's he bandaged

what happened to him

[long bloom]

he got slashed

[split mortar]

Reorganises your name into alphabetical order

[long bloom]

as previously established

[split mortar]

Looks at the pissman who likes swords and not gods

[raven brook]

It could be yharim

Maybe not though

Wouldn't jump to conclusions yet but,

yeah plausible

slashing wounds, hes the sword guy, tyrian probably ended up fighting him at some point i reckon

[split mortar]

Occam’s razoring it

[raven brook]

if that were to be the case it implies tyrian survived an encounter with yharim though

which is interesting

[hollow pivot]

Imagine if we can fight Tyrian in the game and he has a 1% chance to drop adhesive banadges.

What if Tyrian faked his death?

[wanton pendant]

What did Aceeegghimns do to you?

[raven brook]

i mean tyrian is arleady

not confirmed as dead

his fate is unknown

[hollow pivot]

He just looks like a slimy fellow.

[raven brook]

he could be dead

but maybe he escaped

[wanton pendant]

Fish Man strong.

[split mortar]

Mods, true react this guy

[hollow pivot]

What if that means the Terrarian can decide during the Old Duke/Dog Questline?

[mighty zenith]

what if tyrian is infinite

[hollow pivot]

You forgot the F!

[raven brook]

idk if tyrian will be found ingame

theres a f?

[wanton pendant]

?

[wanton pendant]

F?

[raven brook]

cheese gamingf

[hollow pivot]

Dude yeah every E is an F and an L.

[mighty zenith]

you're a good kisser otonilou but also GULLIBLE

[spare pier]

Ew

[mighty zenith]

hello ew

[hollow pivot]

I can see Tyrian having aura unlike Infinite.

[raven brook]

thanks for the input garbo

[hollow pivot]

Devs going to Lore Discussion just to say “ew”:

[split mortar]

Whar

[raven brook]

i think she is repulsed by tyrian kissing otonilou

(?)

Or infinite. i dont know. i dont sonic

[wanton pendant]

It's because it's straight, obviously.

[long bloom]

we're #WOKE
no straight ships allowed

[split mortar]

Otonilou x tyrian when

[hollow pivot]

Phantom Ruby = Auric Soul 🤔

[spare pier]

Ew

[long bloom]

hello ew

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, move that aside for the REAL good stuff, Tyrian x Shakidou.

[mighty zenith]

tyrian and his imaginary boyfriend

[split mortar]

Ok yeah its that not otonilou and infinite kissing

[hollow pivot]

Xichun I think you need to expand your vocabulary.

[proven rivet]

I read that as Tyrian x Shadow

Maybe Garbo should not have brought up Infinite

[wanton pendant]

Don't leak my fanfic.

[pastel bay]

Im sorry are we writing sonic the hedgehog crossover fanfiction

[wanton pendant]

Mmmmaaaayyyybbbbeeeee?

[pastel bay]

Im not surprised thats happening,
Im more surprised that somehow, lore chat is on topic while doing so

[icy veldt]

What if the Moon is evil because Eggman pissed on it?

[pulsar ocean]

How does sonic unleashed affect the calamity lore

[wanton pendant]

It sets a standard too high.

[tropic oak]

how will infinite's return affect the calamity lore

[plucky juniper]

infinite balls

[pulsar ocean]

Ur funny

[hollow pivot]

Why do souls being released generate ores?

Examples:
Mythril, Orichalcum, Adamantine, Titanium, Chlorophyte, and Hallowded Ore, from the Mech Bosses (Though Hallowed ore is most likely from the Hallow's gods and not from the Mech Bosses in-lore);
Cobalt, and Palladium ore, from the Wall of Flesh;
Crimtane, and Demonite ore, are - most likely - from the gods of the evil biomes;
Bloodstone is going to be a result of the Ravager dying in the future (As far as I know);
Sea Prisms were enchanted after Otonilou died;
Perennial Ore from Plantera;
Exodium Clusters, and Luminite from Moon Lord;
Auric Ore from Yharon (Uncertain about how this one works);

Outliers:

Uelibloom is planned to be removed entirely and is unlikely to be replaced with another ore, though Divine Geodes should remain however I am uncertain if they really qualify as “Ore”;

Aerialite is going to be moved to Dragonfolly King if I recall correctly so I am uncertain if this will remain soul-related.

Astral Ore won't be soul related as you canonically won't kill Astrum Deus as far as I know, however you could make the argument that the Astral Infection is made of stars which is made of mana and so are souls, but by this logic humans are rats because they have blood.

I don't know enough about the Distortion to say if it's fueled by souls so Cosmilite is an unknown.

[raven brook]

Souls have the capability of changing the enviroment, as seen with evil biomes and hallow in a more major scale nad in a more minor scale creatures that evolve and adapt due to the presence of souls and/or soul magic in a enviroment, ex: dune splicers, the many illmerian creatures that use sea prism's electricity

Perennial ore also won't be an ore in the future

it's gonna be tree

wood

bark

ores being infused with essence is how you get most of those

[hollow pivot]

What did the planet look like back with the World Soul?

[long bloom]

we don't even know what the planet looks like now 💀

[hollow pivot]

Was there a dragon/god of Magic or Mana?

[dusk laurel]

we dunno

only dragons we know of are also on that chart discussed earlier

anything else is speculation

[light linden]

ngl I think it'd be cool if divine geodes were a new gem type

[hollow pivot]

You crack open Divine Geodes like fortune cookies to get Providence Propaganda.

[frail hearth]

bark bark does anybody know the status of the new lore doc? :3

[hollow pivot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LKTHNV3OpIQ88dozfzQhTvEylV1qzzwQeAsW77wf74c/edit?usp=drivesdk

[frail hearth]

It's been a while I know, I'm just curious cus i want to take a peek at it for my own nefarious worldbuilding reasons :0

HOORAY!!!

[hollow pivot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DgyreCi8fGco8QiFhKHH8rIo_wHplhthdq08ro_SK9o/
Here's all the in-game lore.

[terse moss]

How much power does astrum deus posess? He seems like a scavenger, but a broker, infected husk version of him that is riddled with disease is almost as strong as moon lord, and we can't even kill that version, he just gets snapped out of it and leaves. He can also seemingly make copies of himself at will, is this an unlimited process?

Obviously this is all speculation, but would deus rank in the upper echelons of power (Also are there more of him, like a species or something, and if not, where is he from?)

[long bloom]

from space

the duplication probably isn't canon

[terse moss]

Fair

but that fact that all of that firepower is equivalent to like, a slap to the face is a little crazy

that much firepower killed Providence

[long bloom]

generally the order you fight bosses is how they rank in power

except the future retiers

[terse moss]

Yeah, but don't we just effectively "beat the infection" out of Deus, not really get it even particularly close to death

its also not strategizing or adapting due to limited brain function

[long bloom]

source?

[terse moss]

doesn't the infection basically make them a mindless thrall?

I thought it kinda clouded their brain

[long bloom]

the infection enforces its will on you

[terse moss]

Though, things like rabies can make things more dangerous, so idk

[split mortar]

To be in the astral you already gotta be dumb

[long bloom]

true

but i don't think it blocks cognitive function or anything

given how it's kinda a hivemind (number five million)

[terse moss]

I guess the question comes down to how much we have to kill it to beat the infection out. Is it a startling slap to wake it up, or like the damage equivalent of like chemotherapy

[long bloom]

i think it just like
replaces your thoughts with whatever it wants you to do to serve the infection

[long bloom]

:idk:

[terse moss]

And this is also a (presumably) a physically weakened state due to the infection, unless the infection reinforces the host's body

[long bloom]

that seems to be the case

[terse moss]

Like if I fist fought someone after having the flu for a month, I would be operating at like 1%

[long bloom]

given how probes (birds) have like 100 hp

[terse moss]

True

[long bloom]

instead of 5

[terse moss]

So maybe thats part of the unnatural durability

Also, somewhat related question, what is up with storm weaver

is he a mini DoG or was that changed

[long bloom]

distortion creature that escaped the hivemind somehow

dog really wants to kill it but yharim said no

bc it's basically just a wild animal

[terse moss]

Because its a "traitor"

at least to DoG

[split mortar]

Draetalk confirms they are not the same species despite yharim saying otherwise because yharim is dumb

[long bloom]

yharim is a filter feeder

[terse moss]

I think its funny that, in addition to propaganda, sometimes Yharim is just wrong

bro is not a biologist

[split mortar]

You are a filter feeder

[terse moss]

he just makes stuff up if asked

must infuriate Draedon

[split mortar]

There is the cheese theory regarding weaver

This

[terse moss]

They have an argument and Draedon is like "What is your source? What tests could you have performed to come to this conclusion" and Yharim says "I made it up" and draedon get mad enough the drone explodes

[terse moss]

oh neat

[split mortar]

Siffrin

[terse moss]

I feel like Yharim would be a professional ragebaiter. Bro just fully fabricates events

[long bloom]

hm
weaver does have lightning powers and eats wyverns (which are descendants of vetrasyl)

[split mortar]

And do have the silly flight souls

[terse moss]

If storm weaver can steal essence, he could get strong so fast

souls of light, night, and flight, essence of sunlight and elium, and probably some other stuff

profaned essence post providence

[agile matrix]

why does he again

[long bloom]

unfortunately it's very tupid

[agile matrix]

i rememver hearing DoG was spooked by it

[terse moss]

true

[split mortar]

I mean the guys already abive providence the profaned goddess it already is absurdly powerful

[terse moss]

Or I guess thankfully

bro would be a menace

[split mortar]

Cheese theory i pointed at go read it

[terse moss]

and tahts just from eating stupid birds and stuff

[long bloom]

iirc the excuse he gave yharim is "i'm dangerous, and that guy's like me, so it could be dangerous too"

but i think it's bc it escaped the hivemind

[agile matrix]

why is that a bad thing again

[terse moss]

DoG is part of the hivemind

[long bloom]

would make it a traitor to noxus

[agile matrix]

why woudl that scare dog though

[split mortar]

Cheese theory

[long bloom]

he works for noxus

[split mortar]

Cheese theory

[agile matrix]

snapping your radio in half vs the eighty guys with radios

[split mortar]

This

Read

[agile matrix]

i Did.

oh my God

[terse moss]

After Yharim dies, DoG could just kill storm weaver to recover the lost essence tho

nothing lost

[long bloom]

except we kill him first

[split mortar]

Not like it would be an easy fight

[agile matrix]

i mean do we know if Storm Weaver even Absorbs the essence

[terse moss]

Well yeah

[agile matrix]

what if bro just like. eats it. and gains Nutrient

[terse moss]

It wouldn't be too hard

Like me vs an 8 year old

like I guess it would require some effot

but not like, a ton

[split mortar]

Has flight storm powers and eats the flight storm dragon offshoots

[long bloom]

it has lightning powers and the only explanation i can think of is from eating wyverns (descendants of storm dragon)

[split mortar]

Why would it have those when its distortion

[agile matrix]

crackpot idea: if it IS a beta DoG, those are uncontrolled lasers

[terse moss]

Because it absorbed wyvern essence

[long bloom]

hmmm

idk

[terse moss]

Don't they do more damage tho

dog lasers dont hit super hard

[split mortar]

Its lightning though?? Why would it be lasers we see lasers be much faster

[agile matrix]

baby snakes are more venomous than the adults, similar vibe

[split mortar]

Is that even true

[terse moss]

But why would noxus give DoG a weaker attack

[agile matrix]

they use far too much venom

[agile matrix]

more controlled

[terse moss]

I guess

more accurate too

harder to dodge

[agile matrix]

they trade damage for precision

[terse moss]

Like how a hammer does more damage, but a gun is still more lethal

[long bloom]

did noxus even give dog powers (outside of essence teleportation)

[split mortar]

Ok but its the same style as the lightning from cultist i dont see how that can be said to be a laser when the character called storm weaver, creates a storm in the background uses an attack that looks like lightning

[agile matrix]

tf2 minigun vs tf2 sniper

[terse moss]

DoG might also be on "low power mode" for a higher net gain

[agile matrix]

well see. thats because its an underdevved fight ;)

[long bloom]

why would he stay on low power mode when trying to kill you

[split mortar]

Saying its lasers feels odd to me and also just needless we already have an explenation for what they are

[terse moss]

Well he doesnt

thus the big dashes and massive laser walls

[long bloom]

he doesn't use lightning

[terse moss]

phase 2 is the high power mode

[long bloom]

they have the same lasers

both phases

[terse moss]

The big ram dash is like the highest single target hit in the game tho

[long bloom]

no lightning to be found

[terse moss]

he dropped the pistol for the truck he is ramming into you

[split mortar]

Shit reason, few bosses are gonna be so completely changed their theme completely switches afaik hell i dont think a single one is planned to have that happen

[split mortar]

Oh did weaver get touchups as well

[agile matrix]

lightning = --harder to control properly ++damage ++electrostatic damage
DoG lasers = --slightly lower damage --has a telegraph ++more precise ++Hyperrift

[long bloom]

talking about dog

[split mortar]

Ah

Im on about weaver

[agile matrix]

just make the lightning purble ;]

[terse moss]

The lasers might also just be to pepper/distract while he blindsides you with the big ram. DoG, unlike storm weaver, can strategize

[agile matrix]

this too may be

[split mortar]

Idk your reasoning feels very weird we dont see any other distortion stuff be storm related and weaver who is has other reasons to also have storm powers

[terse moss]

Or maybe he needs to kill with the bite to steal essence, so keeps the lasers low to soften you up

[agile matrix]

what are the other reasons might i ask

im not asking objectionly i am curious

[terse moss]

Static electricity from the plates rubbing together as he flies, channeled into spiky outlets for high voltage

[split mortar]

Whar
My Reasons weaver has storm powers?

[agile matrix]

yuh

i do like the Wyvern explanation but the issue is that Wyverns dont really Do That outside of being related to Storm Dragon

[terse moss]

Draedon strapped a 9V pattery to his balls

this is the only rational solution I think

[split mortar]

If follies do get moved to sky then some have prob got sky powers as well which then
If weaver eats some of those now and then as well yeah storm powers
-# also wyverns have the souls of flight, feel that would be wind storm power if concentrated more personally

[agile matrix]

i can see souls of flight being how they keep themselves up, but the folly explanation would make their lightning Red i think

[terse moss]

Well maybe its blue souls of flight plus red lightning

[agile matrix]

that would be Purple :)

[agile matrix]

^

[terse moss]

Storm weaver

Purple lightning would be cool

[split mortar]

Its overused colour on distortion stuff so imo no

[agile matrix]

which would assist in my "beta DoG lasers if they were cooler" theorem

[terse moss]

I could see it going either way

The red lightning also might be changed when they become sky bosses

idk

anything is possible

[real silo]

Give weaver yellow lightning

I can't recall a single yellow lightning in the game besides lightning boots which doesn't really count

[split mortar]

Turn weaver into siffrin

[real silo]

kills

[pulsar ocean]

war without reason

[hollow pivot]

Crusade against Treason?

[crystal pendant]

Yes. It can Loop around you

[split mortar]

Apotheosis is a silly word why dont we use it to say when a person becomes a god instead of ascend

[long bloom]

evil and intimidating spell tome

[split mortar]

Ok

I dont see ehy that should effect the words we use

[real silo]

Ascend is a verb

[split mortar]

Anything is a verb if you aint a coward

[real silo]

Apotheosis could replace ascension but it can’t replace ascending

[split mortar]

Apotheosing

[real silo]

Siffrination

[dusk laurel]

everything from earth is either blue or green now

sorry i dont make the rules

[dusk laurel]

?

[thick slate]

piss lightning

[agile matrix]

dog’s strong lasers are purpleish black

these are strong lasers

[sinful adder]

"Apotheosis" is literally a word made to mean the exact thing that we call Ascension, the mod should use it

As Siffrin said

And yeah you can probably turn it into a verb

[open iris]

Are the player deaths not canon or is it a "dormammu Ive come to bargin" situation

[split mortar]

Basically non canon
The terrarian is up to you so you can technically say you can come back from the dead but good luck making that somehow fit calamity when necromancy and rebirth don’t function like respawning

[open iris]

I cant believe the character woke up on day and decided to kill all the gods within like a week terrarian time

[wanton pendant]

It was your decision.

[robust osprey]

terrarian who has a million copies of itself

one dies and another is deployed

[pastel bay]

"10 million terrarians, EAT THIS MAN!"

[vestal lantern]

i thought it was said that respawning is not canon at all

[mighty zenith]

the terrarian's canon is just a headcanon, including respawning

so by default, there's no respawning but you can include that as part of your terrarian if you feel like it

cause like, who would stop you lol

[brazen tangle]

is there any real reason why permafrost and calamitas dont have any unique dialogue for eachother when theyre both present as npcs

[mighty zenith]

hasnt been written yet

because they had pretty much no relations in old lore

[fluid cargo]

what if it was just a dream

👀

[quasi portal]

Is there a specific timeframe for which the events happen?

Like, in the moment the terrarian first spawns in, how long ago was the reign of the auric dragons, fight with moonlord, betrayal of the auric dragons, Yharim's rise to power, etc etc

[split mortar]

Yeah, theres a timeline in the introductory document here #lore-discussion message

[quasi portal]

My dumbass didn't check pins

Thank you so much 🙏 🙏 🙏

1000 platinum be upon ye

[main marlin]

is the calamitas clone stuck as an ugly EoC? or does she have a human form?

also, does she have free will? is she aware she's a clone?

[pulsar ocean]

the eye isn’t canon

Imagine calamitas clone as a calamitas clone

A tad bit more ragged

[main marlin]

no, i know, what i mean is, is her... machine... form? her real form or is she a flesh and blood witch like real Calamitas

[pulsar ocean]

she does have free will but after the og calamitas shared some of her brimstone power with her she went mad and started just aimlessly wondering around

[pulsar ocean]

She’s a clone of calamitas

Biologically human

[main marlin]

okok

thank you!

i wish we could recruit her as an npc after defeating her, like real calamitas

[thick slate]

slime her ass

there can only be one

[light linden]

that's been discussed tmk

[pulsar ocean]

or 6 or 7 amiright

[split mortar]

@limpid saddle calclone talk

[limpid saddle]

there are plans for her to become a town npc but as far as im aware they are still up in the air

as kozz was saying she is what it says on the tin, a clone of calamitas, made by draedon & 100% accurate to the original in all biologically determined ways

[dusk laurel]

there is a difference between a plan and an idea...

[main marlin]

I'd say if she was a town npc it'd be cool ti have her introduce the Enchant mechanic but weaker

[brazen tangle]

what would her name even be

[limpid saddle]

calamitas clone

[mighty zenith]

Calamitas the Clone

[open iris]

'Random name' the calamitas clone

[wanton pendant]

Kyle E. Lamity.

[open iris]

I like how infernum does the boss where cal clone actually has her humanoid form and then gets fucking smited

Wow mentioning infernum in calamity discord time for someone to tell me to go to #calamity-addon-talk

If Cal clone was an npc what would she even sell

[dusk laurel]

npcs shouldnt be limited to shops

[brazen tangle]

“hey so you live with us now and we are attempting to integrate you as a functional human being but we are not giving you the courtesy of an actual name”

[agile matrix]

i mean would she want a "name"

[mighty zenith]

she should choose her name

[agile matrix]

she's wholly convinced she's calamitas

[mighty zenith]

because shes a person

[limpid saddle]

i've taken to calling her C.C but i imagine it would be a 'Brimstone Witch' situation where the npc name is like

'Brimstone Witch²'

[mighty zenith]

i do think it would be better if she got an actual name as an NPC

[limpid saddle]

i couldnt think of a good one

[mighty zenith]

humanize her more

[limpid saddle]

where we getting this from?

[mighty zenith]

is she though

she literally met calamitas

its not clear if she was conscious but if she was then that'd be weird to assume

and i dont think its a metal sonic situation

[limpid saddle]

Yeah I assume their dynamic is less Sonic/Metal Sonic & more twin sisters but one of them fucked up real bad with the other

[agile matrix]

might be delusional but i remember seeing somewhere that calclone believes that they're the real calamitas and cal is the clone

[limpid saddle]

i think you're hallucinating

how many fingers i am holding up

[agile matrix]

i cannot determine that

[limpid saddle]

damn he's completely out of it

someone call an ambulance

[mighty zenith]

lost cause sorry

we're shipping out the replacement AI

[open iris]

Yharim needs to get his bitchass out of the aerie and fight

[brazen tangle]

17 years

[dusk laurel]

🚬

[agile matrix]

what does that mean

[dusk laurel]

im smoking

[agile matrix]

why on my message

[dusk laurel]

rnadomly selected

[glacial rampart]

Name her jane

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-staring-cat-gif-20275090

[hollow pivot]

That's Metal Sonic.

[warm gull]

holy shit its heats flamesman

[hollow pivot]

Hots Flamesguy

[strong compass]

SIX SEVEN

[patent sky]

Im bored, should I read the lore doc

[wanton pendant]

Yes!

[patent sky]

Should I start with this one?

I made sure to disable ping for the reply

[wanton pendant]

YES!

[green prairie]

welcome to the calamity lore rabbit hole! im so sorry

[patent sky]

Jokes on you, I’m a one piece fan, I’m well equipped to dive in

This sentence reads weird, like a part of it was edited and the sentence structure wasn’t changed properly to reflect it

I think I get what it’s trying to get across

Every deity besides Xeroc and Silva are not able to have the same domain as the dragon because it was an imperfect ascension

Thats what its trying to get across, right

[split mortar]

Yeah

[long bloom]

waterwraithgaming curse of 5 million commas

[wanton pendant]

Hey, since when was I known for that!

[long bloom]

at least 4

[hollow pivot]

I think the part that says “consumed by those that knew” might be throwing you off because of the “that”.

[hollow pivot]

And the lack of ending punctuations and/or semi-colons.

[patent sky]

Oh my gosh I dont have my glasses on and am kinda loopy, I was reading it was “knew that” not “that knew”

See I never realized that Yharim and Yharon were on the same side tbh

Maybe I should read the heavily biased lore items

[long bloom]

😭

[split mortar]

😭 literally sung in the song or like
The names

[wanton pendant]

I changed it.

Thoughts?

[long bloom]

speaking of the doc can anybody else get ahold of tyrant
he's not responding to me

[patent sky]

Much better

doc has conflicting stuff, says that Silva is simultaneously put into the Abyss by Yharim while also being there for Azafure to exist

[wanton pendant]

Not a conflict.

She was cast into the Abyss more than once.

I'm sure that is stated in the doc.

[split mortar]

Not a conflict

[long bloom]

it is

somewhere

[patent sky]

Not before the not-conflict shows up

[long bloom]

maybe we should put that she escaped at some point

[patent sky]

See its good that I’m reading it

[hollow pivot]

I'd guess this is when she escaped, some time in the Grey Period.

[long bloom]

possible

[hollow pivot]

It is funny to think that she gets out of the Abyss and the first thing she does is find and kill the Dragon of Life.
Maybe the Dragon of Life put her in the Abyss to begin with?

[wanton pendant]

Silva is among the least likeliest to have hunted her dragon.

[hollow pivot]

She is the elemental of Nature.

[long bloom]

ok?

[patent sky]

Oh I found where its mentioned that shes thrown into the abyss again

Hur hur hur hur

[wanton pendant]

Why did Chara make Yharim do this?

[hollow pivot]

Why do we only know the souls that went into Skeletron Prime?

[patent sky]

Yharim is like, just that guy but in a different setting, isn’t he

[wanton pendant]

We do know all the souls.

The Twins are scouts and Destroyer are Heavy Infantry.

[patent sky]

Might is prolly soldiers

[hollow pivot]

Are Twins Scouts?

[eager bluff]

as wwg just said

yes

[wanton pendant]

"The Twins are scouts and Destroyer are Heavy Infantry."
-WaterWraithGaming.

[hollow pivot]

Your source?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim, the guy who comissioned them.

'These machines are my finest scouts and agents, reborn in a form that gives them sight unrivaled.'

[hollow pivot]

That's not heavy infantry bro.

[eager bluff]

thats twins

as wwg said in the first half of the message

[wanton pendant]

Please read.

[hollow pivot]

Is this proof that the Guide isn't required for WoF in lore?

[eager bluff]

wdym wait how

[wanton pendant]

Wall of Flesh is optional.

[eager bluff]

thats not really

what that means

[long vine]

how can the guide say that if he dead 🤔

[split mortar]

Multiple guides shrimple

[eager bluff]

he got better

[hollow pivot]

What if the Guide just has nothing to do with the WoF?

[split mortar]

Thats not the case

[wanton pendant]

He does.

[wanton pendant]

Dialogue is also outdated.

[split mortar]

The guide is a warlock who could direct where wof goes according to the guide bestiary iirc

And also got worshiped by demons die to controling the god eating mountain of flesh

[wanton pendant]

Like some kind of... Devourer of Gods...

[split mortar]

Dog lacks the aura to be a god devouring mountain of flesh

[long bloom]

god devouring tube of ourple

[hollow pivot]

Dog needs some more aura.

[long bloom]

eh

[hollow pivot]

Found the guide bestiary entry.

[open iris]

So Yharon is actually dead when we defeated him right

[leaden bridge]

no

[open iris]

But something happens to him right

[long bloom]

he technically dies but is gonna rebirth in like 10 years

yharim will die by your hand or from old age by then

which is what the last line in the lore item means

[open iris]

Imagine when the update releases and you 10 ingame years Yharim dies of old age like the end in mgs3

Only 6 real life days of nonstop playtime no biggie

[long bloom]

that's not super unreasonable for a playthrough tbh

[open iris]

Well that would be post Yharon so 6 real life days of nonstop days preparing for 2 bosses and maybe boss rush

You think Terrarian power creep is gonna reach Xeroc levels of power

[glacial rampart]

the terrarian will never be as strong as miner 49er

[open iris]

Wait, whats the name of the Monk who absorbed the dragon soul, betraying everyone and pretty much fucking everything up

[hollow pivot]

I said the exact same thing.

[hollow pivot]

#lore-discussion message

[long bloom]

xeroc

[hollow pivot]

Also the devs say that if you're able to fight Xeroc in the future it will only be a sparring match.

[open iris]

Mannnnnnn fuck the story I want to kill God

[hollow pivot]

Xeroc's just a guy who can use the sun really well.

[long bloom]

xeroc is more of a greek god than the biblical god

same with the others

[agile matrix]

i find it mentally interesting if theres a God and also gods

Capital G God and Gods (of Auric Dragon Souls)

solely because imagine we could fight capital G

(i acknowledge ND but also that is not Capital G God in my eyes :( )

[real silo]

There isn't a capital G god in cal

[hollow pivot]

None that we know of.

[long bloom]

no there just isn't

[real silo]

That's basically the same

[agile matrix]

until i see a big wooden sign in the sky that says "there is no God" i will hold belief for a God

[woeful hatch]

Ok so first of all, doesn't exist in calamity

But pray tell, how exactly do you think a fight with capital G God would go

Like

Nothing would come even close

And how would we convince them to fight us, even

[agile matrix]

1. i havent seen the wooden sign
2. creates various gibberish to fight us
3. for fun

[pulsar ocean]

Hold your cnidrions amiright

[plucky juniper]

once again, Nameless Deity provides the answers to all of these questions (hes testing your sorry ass)

[eternal veldt]

Are we technically using primordial light by using solar panels?

[woeful hatch]

Terraria does not have solar panels

[eternal veldt]

Yes... but would it technically be

If they had one

Draedon might have some

:3

[woeful hatch]

Well, we don't know if they'd work in the first place given the entire cosmology is different

As jn

The sun and stars are not giant balls of hydrogen gas

Well now that I think about it, light is still photons mostly so they'd probably work anyways

But it wouldn't be using primordial light

[eternal veldt]

Well i can charge my solar panel using a flashlight...

[woeful hatch]

Unless you count plants growing as using primordial light

[woeful hatch]

Yeah read above I realized it too

[eternal veldt]

Probobly :3

I mean empress uses primordial light too

[woeful hatch]

Then yeah we'd be using the light part of primordial light, assuming someone creates solar panels

[eternal veldt]

Nice

I can finally cosplay as xeroc LMAO

[woeful hatch]

Just because you use something doesn't mean you control it

[eternal veldt]

That's why i called it cosplay UwU

Imagine if we completed the ascension ritual using yharon's soul and it just turns on journey mode 🥀

[thick slate]

i like journey mode

[split mortar]

An omnipotent God sorta goes against calamity themes

[sterile robin]

what is this

[leaden bridge]

looks like a dead dragon to me

[zenith geode]

iirc its modeled after the bones in the background so whatever the background pictures its probably that

[sterile robin]

makes sense

[patent sky]

Its a shrine

Chance its the remains of the dragon that the god of war killed

[sterile robin]

question

why does the burrower help us

[raven brook]

It dosen't really help us its kinda just mining ore

i mean it runs away from you even

so

Its "help" is just coincidental

[sterile robin]

for draedon? im assuming its a draedon construct

[raven brook]

yeah its made by draedon, bestiary

its just a robot made to mine shit so it just kinda goes around mining shit

if you kill it you can steal the shit it mined

[sterile robin]

nooo thats meaaaan

[pulsar ocean]

exo burrower

[patent sky]

The burrower looks tankier than thanatos

[eternal veldt]

Yeah i like gods that could die.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim:

[thick slate]

Kratos:

yharim is just evil kratos

[split mortar]

Whats the height of the terrarian in game i forgor

[pulsar ocean]

5'6 or 5'7

[robust osprey]

3 blocks tall

idk how much that is

[hoary cape]

Every time I see cheese's pfp I think it's Uganda knuckles or some knuckles art, but it's not

This is clearly lore

[robust osprey]

uganda cheese

[hoary cape]

The burrower does light up ore when it goes to mine it so it kinda helps

[patent sky]

Unless you have a spelunker pot

Which like, once you can get one, you prolly have a steady supply

[jagged mulch]

I mean if we are going to talk about the Guide

How does the Guide already know how to craft miracle matter

[dusk laurel]

likely just a gameplay thing for uh

later on recipes

considering its canon that the player and not the guide invented miracle matter

[robust osprey]

you just sit with the guide and figure shit out together

thats what I like to think

[split mortar]

The terrarian gay

[jagged mulch]

The guide explaining how to craft the À-PLS pulse rifle at the start of the game after I show it one dubious plating

[patent sky]

Guide isnt just a guy

[split mortar]

Is the guide gay

[robust osprey]

he had a wife

and he misses her a lot, melon

[split mortar]

Lesbian, got it

[patent sky]

No more yaoi

[robust osprey]

exactly

[patent sky]

You will take the doomed yaoi of statis and braelor and be happy with it

[mighty zenith]

they took her in the divorce

[simple tangle]

And his wife? It was wof

[unreal meadow]

It's probably better to ask it here.
Why doesn't Draedon make a clone of Yharim?Maybe he was afraid that he would also be released?(I highly doubt that he didn't have Yharim's dna) 🤔

[split mortar]

Yharims raw power is due to much more obvious things draedon cant copy like yharons attunement
And even then calclone was made to be a furnace not a weapon of war so the power of yharim would likely not be much interest either

[wanton pendant]

Yharim has like, 100 years of hitting the gym to contest with.

[split mortar]

Also true

[unreal meadow]

Hmmm,100% true

[cloud ibex]

i don't think she was made to be a furnace as much as she was made to figure out the practicality of making a better furnace

[split mortar]

Thats less whimsical

[cloud ibex]

draedon is not whimsical

he lives completely free of whimsy in his heart

pitiable, really

[split mortar]

Not true, ares has a glowing face. P whimsical imo

[raven brook]

yeah i think the goal was to study cal's brimstone magic and its practical applications so he could a,ybe make a beter furnace

[thick slate]

i can fix him

[pulsar ocean]

Terrarian you

[raw nest]

what implications does the new tooltip for devils devastation have for characters like the Brimstone elemental and calamitas?

It states:

“the perfect blade of the underworld, wielding the power of brimstone directly. Humans understand this force as Havoc, the inevitable sundering of all order in fire. Perhaps this is why the brimstone elemental had strength unrivaled by her sisters.”

[split mortar]

Brimmy and scal are strong because fire is destructive especially when absurdly hot idk

[pulsar ocean]

why is the dragon of rebirth better at fire attacks than the dragon of fire it seems

Since yharon is stronger

[young socket]

well we dont know how strong dragon of flames fire attacks are

[plucky juniper]

i think the idea is that brimstone magic might... i dunno, end the world?

[split mortar]

We know that domains function by being a cheatcode and also removing the energy cost of the associated domain power iirc
So flames was likely just flat out the most skilled fire user to exist and could endlessly spam fire attacks without using mana

Just that yharon has hotter and higher output

[limpid saddle]

and the guy STILL got killed by 4 lesbians with spears

[dusk laurel]

lesbians are very strong tbf

[pulsar ocean]

dragon of flames lowkey a bum then

Tbf most dragons were bums as it seems

[sinful adder]

What if a dragon tried an ascension ritual on a non auric soul, so it's like backwards

[split mortar]

Yeah due to how their society was they barely needed to like actually fight iirc

[split mortar]

Maybe shift the domain (i doubt it) but otherwise they get nothing

[sinful adder]

Huh

[pulsar ocean]

did no dragons notice any monks sneaking up behind their leader and performing a strange ritual

[split mortar]

People god ascend because of the domain
Without gaining domain theres little benefit

[split mortar]

Were dealing with the pain of having every bone broken by ml idk always imagined xeroc was in a private room

[split mortar]

And this how domains function according to roxy a bit ago @sinful adder

[pulsar ocean]

why didn’t zeratros and the other injured dragons just kill themselves to get reborn

[patent sky]

We need to put moon lord back together and use the plague to control him

And then we can kill yharim

Or we can just progress normally

[split mortar]

Probably still gonna die to the soul injury, rebirth gives new body but the soul would still be afflicted

[pulsar ocean]

How did moon lord use his legs if they were so tiny judging by how we see them in ftw

[split mortar]

Moonlord has a evil shrink ray that grows things instead

[thick slate]

soulless dragon would be cool to see

[agile matrix]

might i ask how so

[light linden]

I feel like that'd create a situation similar to Dexmon and ZombiePlutomon from digimon

[agile matrix]

like a guy who made the everything, not just “omnipotent auric soul god”

[light linden]

where they're effectively just a robot who only turns on when there's a soul to consume

[split mortar]

Time moves on things end dont get caught up in the past or trying to be eternal it ends bad

Oh and theres God who can undo all that if you convince em and are also undying unkillable and such

[agile matrix]

“if you convince them” implies that they just listen to that

im moreso saying “guy made the everything and now just watches what happens”

[split mortar]

Their existence of being all powerful and undying still
Goes against it

Since like
Hammering the idea nothing is eternal and then having john infinite the eternal one sorta is weird

[pulsar ocean]

Obviously if there’s a world soul there’s a universe soul and a capital G God

[agile matrix]

you imply that capital g wants the universe to be static but Revelations i believe implies opposite

things will pass and things will change, the dudes just gonna be up there to start anew once the universe (explodes/ceases to be)

[split mortar]

The bible isnt the only thing with an omnipotent god and also like
Im saying the existence of an all powerful creator itself goes against calamity

[agile matrix]

okay but like how

if i Prometheused the dragons and then disappeared entirely, how would this bungle calamity

[wanton pendant]

It is also worth noting that if God from the Bible was canon to Calamity it wouldn't affect a thing in the slightest.

[split mortar]

This
The thing itself would be eternal, which calamity hammers with how multiple people fail at achieving this is impossible

The fact the creator would be eternal goes against that

[agile matrix]

i beleive both can exist mainly bc one Persistantly exists, while others want to mimic the hypothetical

they want to achieve it, not just Have That All The Time

[sinful adder]

Even if it doesn't contradict anything, having that sort of god in the story just sucks. Like it sounds like a miserable and boring way to write a story

[eager bluff]

it doesnt need to exist

it doesnt have any bearing on the story

[sinful adder]

Yeah

[eager bluff]

if you add something that major to the story and its relevant for 2 seconds and then never again

like

thats just a thoroughly pointless addition

[sinful adder]

Not to mention such a character is inherently nonsensical unless they are evil

Thousands of years and theists have no logically sound response for that one paradox

[eager bluff]

oh you're one of those atheists

[wanton pendant]

Can we not bring Reddit Atheism into here?

[long bloom]

that's not reddit atheism

it's just basic logic

[wanton pendant]

It's a poorly veiled excuse for racism.

[long bloom]

whar

[wanton pendant]

Saying that religious people inherently follow evil gods is like, very obviously racist.

[long bloom]

that's
not what racism means 😭

[patent sky]

Its prejudist

Not quite sure its racist

[wanton pendant]

It is racist. Racism includes discrimination towards religion.

[split mortar]

Oh didnt know that, thought discriminating against religion would have fallen under a different word

[sudden barn]

religious intolerance, but i get what waterwraithgaming is saying, religion includes cultural and other elements to it rather just religion

[wanton pendant]

Well, technically there are words for specific discrimination against each religion, but it's all covered under racism.

[patent sky]

I don’t think that’s true. Tying religion to race and ethnicity in itself seems a tad racist

[sudden barn]

at the end of the day, it's discrimination to a certain group of people so

[patent sky]

Yeah

Its all bad

Just follow the golden rule and everything should be alright

[raven brook]

Wtf is happrning here im literally in bed under a blsnket

[wanton pendant]

Yharim propaganda got too potent.

[icy veldt]

Inside you, there are two murderous villains:
Yharim: "Religion is bad"
Providence: "Life sucks"
You are a redditor

[raven brook]

Inside you tgere is skeleton

Oooohh scary

[patent sky]

There are worms in your skin

Rip them out

[sudden barn]

sleketron? there's a terraria reference inside me?

[tardy root]

Religion is chosen, race is not. It's not really comparable

[sudden barn]

i get it

[patent sky]

Thats what I was trying to get at

[sudden barn]

yuh huh

like i said, religious intolerance would be a better word for it

[west plume]

Yharon is a fire mage and is one of the rare dragons that actually specifically trained to fight using magic. You're asking why a trained knight knows how to use a sword better than A Guy who has sword powers essentially

[patent sky]

Raw power vs skill is what im getting here

[west plume]

yeah

[patent sky]

Like how Thanos was able to beat Hulk in endgame

[west plume]

flames can output Infinite fire but yharon actually knows how to fight using fire magic (in modern day)

if you were someone who specifically sought to claim a soul from an 'easy' mark you'd probably choose flames

[wanton pendant]

So what I'm hearing, Providence is a FRAUD!

[west plume]

i wouldn't say that

[young socket]

you heard it here folks

fraudvidence

[sudden barn]

can i join

[patent sky]

Da moon

[wanton pendant]

Moon's Haunted.

[split mortar]

is the moon gay in a gay way

[wanton pendant]

It's gay in the happy way because it giggles when it causes terror and mayhem.

[split mortar]

so in the table way got iy

[icy veldt]

DROP TABLE moon;

[sinful adder]

Someone gets it. They're nothing alike. I will not apologize for judging people based on the choices they make, including religion if their idea of their religion is something evil

[sinful adder]

It doesn't, they're just stupid

[light linden]

Ok so random thought I had

I was thinking about Laura's comment regarding how auric dragons were basically innately amazing at their domain's field of magic

Y'all think there were any fields of magic previously unknown until the auric dragons came about?

[split mortar]

Necromancy was made to replicate yharons rebirth power so yeah

[patent sky]

Maybe not unknown but def lesser known

[light linden]

I do wonder if there were any domains so abstract that it can't be effectively replicated by mages

[patent sky]

Probably

[light linden]

My first thought is the dragon of night

I can't think of anything that's solely related to night

[patent sky]

The moon

[split mortar]

Yeah some domaims just
Flatout couldnt be replicated by mana
-# i we did know this with yharon though actually

[light linden]

Another thing speaking of him

[spare pier]

Worth noting that when we say "auric domains give you mastery over your domain", we mean like

Providence knows how to use pyromancy in more ways than Yharon does

Yharon still is a better fighter

[light linden]

I kinda wonder if part of Yharon's anger towards gods is due to some type of self loathing over failing his entire species

[light linden]

Ngl I think he's the most experienced fighter in calamity flat out

Dude has had several lifetimes literally to learn how to fight

He's like wolverine but less angry and more fire

[split mortar]

This applies to multiple characters

[light linden]

I'd imagine you're referring to the elementals?

[split mortar]

And gods
We know the dragons didn’t do much fighting or training hence why most gods are stronger then their dragon, cause the people more often actually honed fighting skill

[light linden]

I uh

Yharon has probably been fighting for 900 years atp

Also Yharon did train tmk

[patent sky]

Gosh how I love complex multidimensional characters

[split mortar]

Yeah after gods appeared meaning yharons existence before gods isnt much a factor afaik

[light linden]

Real talk though it is impressive Yharon is even slightly sane atp

[split mortar]

True

[west plume]

do you think yharon is sane?

[light linden]

Somewhat at least

[patent sky]

He is not sane in the slightest

[sudden barn]

is anyone from calamity mod sane

[patent sky]

He is at this point a puppet to his own ire

[split mortar]

Sane enough to be comprehendible

[patent sky]

Someone can be insane and comprehendible at the same time

[west plume]

well yeah he isn't a babbling maniac but i don't think i'd consider anything about the guy's actions reasonable to do

[split mortar]

Fair

[thick slate]

you ever lie on the floor

[patent sky]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Floor not big enough

[light linden]

Dude is having to deal with the guilt of failing his entire species, was likely hunted for centuries by who knows how many people, and took part in multiple world spanning conflicts

[west plume]

it's worth nothing that there are still dragons around and you can meet some in game. just not auric ones

[wanton pendant]

Old Duke, for instance, I'm sure he's a nice fellow.

[light linden]

Old Duke is not someone you want as the closest remaining family you have

[west plume]

maybe not old duke but there are other dragons i'm sure would cooperate more

[light linden]

Like?

[patent sky]

Folly

[split mortar]

Old duke and jared are the only dragons we know of that are direct children of an auric dragon iirc

[west plume]

i would have to confirm i am not spoiling anything to answer this question fully, but wyverns are a good example of a workable and fairly common population of dragons

[patent sky]

Why is he called jared

[west plume]

inside joke

[wanton pendant]

Ahh, of course, let's just pop up to Chrysadia then. Surely nothing will go wrong.

[split mortar]

Some streamer years ago came across a glitch that made jared friendly and chat picked the name jared iirc

[patent sky]

Oh I had a glitch last year that made me immune to him

And it kept happening

[split mortar]

Not immune
Literally just vibing not aggressive

[patent sky]

He wasnt that either

It was so weird

It was actually my first full playthrough of cal

Another one bites the dust

[split mortar]

Yay it gone

[agile matrix]

define Workable

[patent sky]

Wyverns are probably descendants of the dragon of flight

[west plume]

dragons that would not necessarily hold animosity toward yharon or resist if yharon spent several hours straight apologizing

[patent sky]

We should be allowed to absorb yharons soul and become a god

[split mortar]

Ehhh yharon dealing with the horrors feels more fun

[west plume]

^

[agile matrix]

condemning yharon to the distortion

in Calamity 2: Burn Harder

[patent sky]

What if we only took half his soul

[agile matrix]

we take some fragments no

[split mortar]

Then not a god afaik

[west plume]

Calamity 2: Yharon Accomplished Absolutely Nothing Edition

[agile matrix]

demigod ?

[patent sky]

Halfgod

[agile matrix]

or just Really Cool Guy

[split mortar]

Thats the draconic offshoot god version and is what eol is

[agile matrix]

?

eol is a halfgod?

i thought they were just really prismatic

[patent sky]

What if yharim actually killed the dragon of evil and absorbed the soul

[spare pier]

Demigods aren't a thing in Calamity man

[patent sky]

Its big brain time

[agile matrix]

god of cruelty

[spare pier]

You either are a god or you aren't

[split mortar]

Its late might be misremembering but iirc the bestiary says eol is an actual child of a god

[spare pier]

Yes, she is

But that's not a demigod

[agile matrix]

actually was dragon of evil consumed, and if so what was their god

[spare pier]

😭

[patent sky]

Such black and white thinking is what perpetuates yharims rule

[west plume]

what would the Dragon of Evil do

[patent sky]

Evil things

[split mortar]

Oh must have misheard or smth then

[patent sky]

Probably the horrible hog

[agile matrix]

i mean evil is multifaceted

[patent sky]

The god is

[west plume]

God of Objective Evil

[patent sky]

Thats just yharim

[split mortar]

Thats the horrible hog

[agile matrix]

dragon of evil -> god of cruelty kinda works

[patent sky]

Yharim and the horrible hog are on two different ends of the spectrum

[agile matrix]

however if doe exists theres gotta be a dragon of good

[split mortar]

Evil doesnt have the vibe of a dragon domain ti me idk

[patent sky]

One is moral evil the other is evil evil

[west plume]

evil wouldn't be a dragon domain i don't think

you could have a Dragon of Malice though

[agile matrix]

dragon of morals makes a bit more sense

[patent sky]

Maybe noxus is the bearer of evil

[split mortar]

Noxus is gay

[patent sky]

And the horrible hog is one of it’s champions

[west plume]

this one already exists as the Dragon of Faith

[agile matrix]

yeah but that means theres not really any Dragon of Goodwill (lack of better word)

[west plume]

which was already spoiled here

[patent sky]

What god did the lihzards worship anyway

[split mortar]

Horrible hog is the underling of the worst warthog and the horrible hog rules over the bad piggys

[split mortar]

Idk

[agile matrix]

different god system maybe

or the sun

[west plume]

i think Dragon/God domains encompass observed phenomena (Like Rebirth, Storms, Faith). things like Good or Evil can't be observed or enacted and are entirely contextual so they wouldn't be very good domains literature wise

[patent sky]

Dragon of violence

[split mortar]

There is a dragon of faith

[patent sky]

And chaos

[agile matrix]

i personally (mentally) put
Dragons = Natural Things
Gods = Manmade Thing from Natural

[patent sky]

I’d argue faith is more like good or evil than an observed phenomena

[west plume]

Faith is something you can do and enact and it isn't necessarily Good or Evil

[agile matrix]

whats faith's god again

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Residence made the God of Evil.

[patent sky]

I think agnus

Or wtv

[agile matrix]

faith -> sacrifice?

[thick slate]

may chaos take the world

[split mortar]

Eh gods arent always manmade things for domains
Lightning has electricity, ash can exist naturally so can things sacrificing themselves

[wanton pendant]

Dogma.

[agile matrix]

aahhh yes

that makes far more sense

[patent sky]

Yeah

[agile matrix]

not really man made

[wanton pendant]

Death made Sacrifice.

[agile matrix]

moreso like. more human things

[thick slate]

what a downgrade

id be so mad

[agile matrix]

death -> sacrifice
faith -> dogma
life -> life (i guess)
fire -> ash

[patent sky]

Maybe the lihzards worship the horrible hog

[thick slate]

life is manmade

[split mortar]

Life was perfect ascension and so bypasses the normal ritual thing

[west plume]

god domains don't necessarily have to be different and dragon domains don't have to encompass non-synthetic things

[agile matrix]

synthetic thats the word

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Canned Goods.

[thick slate]

god of plastic please

[agile matrix]

dragon of plagues -> god of pollution ?

manmade plague on the world I Guess

[west plume]

it depends on how the god uses the power

[split mortar]

I think dragon domains are well
Due to originating directly from the world soul have domains of things quite relevant to the world

[patent sky]

Draedon

[wanton pendant]

Could get God of Medicine.

[agile matrix]

draedon would 100% cop dragon of mind if he could for god of knowledge

[thick slate]

god of drugs

[agile matrix]

that too works

[split mortar]

Anyways gn chat

[patent sky]

Do you guys think theres a dragon/god of emotion or does that fall under mind

[west plume]

this is more or less because dragons only really Did things which would seem natural to us thousands of years in the future i think. zeratros was doing Entirely Unnatural Bullshit Of His Own Volition 24/7 but no one really treats it like they treat how gods use their powers because it happened for so long

[agile matrix]

"hey man why are you pouring water on that"
vs.
"oh you're doing the waterfall ritual, okay"

[west plume]

i would say so, but i also think there are multiple Dragons with power over emotions rather than a singular Dragon of Feeling

[agile matrix]

like its still just them pouring water on something, its just theyve done it for long enough that now its "important"

[split mortar]

i mean that since sunlight was relevant across the entire planet the world soul formed a domain of sunlight and when zeratros yoinked that shard he got the sunlight domain

[west plume]

yeah, but he didn't need to turn the sun on pre-heat everywhere

that wasn't already happening

people treat it as a Happening/Necessary Ritual instead of an apocalyptic event initiatead by one person for a shallow reason because it happened for a ridiculous amount of time and was done by a dragon

[agile matrix]

actually im curious

the name xerocs pretty old

where did the word come from

or was it actually original

[split mortar]

Yeah well im not on about that, just my theory on the logic behind what dragons could or couldnt get for a domain

[west plume]

i think u have a true

[craggy sparrow]

I think if theres a unified pirate coalition they could completely wipe out the goblin faction

[west plume]

although i think domains come from a culmination of life experiences that gets bundled into the world over a long period of time rather than the existence of a thing

[thick slate]

they got bigger fish to fry

[patent sky]

The humble leviathan:

Why didnt more elementals seize a chance to become gods

[spare pier]

They don't really care

[west plume]

i believe the Primordial Light domain comes from a lot of subjective experiences many souls have held over a ridiculous amount of time rather than the existence of Sunlight itself which is why domains have biases and do not exist for things that are not yet typically experienced or for hard to notice phenomena. this is just my opinion tho

[spare pier]

There is definitely not a unified pirate coalition that's like

[thick slate]

why did slime god go after the god of gluttony